>>60375511 well that's just fucking peachy

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>>60375511
>not soldering your own CPU
Fucking newfags.

>>60375511
So the real botnet will be owned by china?

>>60375511
So they put microscopic hardware botnet into our macroscopic hardware botnet that runs software botnet? Nice.

>>60375738
but really though, making your cpu using risc-v isa and an fpga is the only way to go. But good luck on doing anything useful on a cpu like that

>>60375511
>And they showed that by running a series of seemingly innocuous commands on their minutely sabotaged processor,

So they need to have physical access to the system first. This is fucking nothing.

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>>60375887

You sound like a pussy

>>60375511
Hey bro, how many layers of botnet are you on?

>>60375887
Why? Most software on Linux is perfectly portable between ISAs.

>>60376587
because of the manufacturing process.. although then again even an fpga could be backdoored during manufacturing

>>60375511
That's one of the reasons Russians went back to typewriters in handling classified information.

>>60375887
but wait, how do you know the FPGA itself doesn't have a backdoor?
>>60375955
sure that's fine if you want clock speed lower than the pitch of your voice. Real men run off their own processors in their own semiconductor fabs

good thing i filled my tower with silicon based piranhas.

>>60376680
>but wait
It's ok, it's ok, this is /g/.

>>60375511
so it's only good for privilege escalation?

>>60376689
>not leaving an open cum bottle inside to ward off CIA niggers

>>60376634
>because of the manufacturing process
Are you just saying that it would be too slow to do anything useful on? Depends on what you consider useful, I guess.

>although then again even an fpga could be backdoored during manufacturing
Hardly. The exploit assumed knowledge of what gates were close to the appropriate fixed functionality in the CPU. You wouldn't be able to predict what gate would be used for the relevant function after soft synthesis of a CPU.

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>>60376749
>only good for privilege escalation

that's what you get when you design CPUs that allow instructions to be executed at ring -2 with higher privilege than, and completely unnoticeable by the OS

>>60376838
I haven't read the article
>And they showed that by running a series of seemingly innocuous commands on their minutely sabotaged processor, a hacker could reliably trigger a feature of the chip that gives them full access to the operating system.
sounds like privilege escalation to me

>it's another episode about how fucked we are
When will we change the channel

>>60376877
soon

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How much do you wanna bet little CIA niggers are already all over this, seized the documents and hired the researchers?

>>60377075

>deleted

Got too close to the truth?

>>60376862
>"only"

> wouldn’t be caught by practically any modern method of hardware security analysis, and could be planted by a single employee of a chip factory.

Thank god our CPU's are made in Israel.

>>60376672
Processors are used not only on servers to store data, but also in critical places like early ICBM launch detection. In such places, Russia uses not only the processors they designed (and are therefore bug-free), but also afaik they make them in Russia. For less critical applications (many government servers), they use processors designed by them (such as Elbrus) but are made in Taiwan.

>>60378012

>soviet/russian
>bug-free

Pick one, and only one.

>>60378066
You're implying that Russia bugs their own CPUs whose users are mainly Russian government, Russian military, and Russian businesses that have a need for higher security?

>>60378299

No, I'm implying that russians can't do bug-free if their lives depended on it.

>>60375908
This isn't nothing. Hardware manufacturers can do this.

>>60378471
Oh, and burgers can?

Any complex piece of software that does something worthwhile will always have bugs you fucking retard.

>>60379125

Russians are particularly bad at it, though.

>>60375887
>yfw they put backdoor in the FPGA and program in a backdoor into your ISA on the fly

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>>60378471
Soviet knockoff CPUs were often improved upon by the soviet engineers (some of the best in the world at the time), and soviet 8086 clones are some of the best ever made

>>60375885
Yeah its the jews' CPU over the goyim CPU.
The story of the world again and again.

> they’ve built and proved it works.
They've also proved it's possible to steal data from airgapped machines with gigantic microphones.

This boils down to "some employee can modify chips to be hackable!" which, no fucking shit? That's like saying "The guy who makes locks can make an easily defeated lock!"

Open source hardware when? This shit is getting ridiculous.

>>60379885

When it becomes economically viable vs. intel/amd/arm/whatever big corporate. Which would be right after economically viable fusion powered flying cars.

>>60379823
>NSA tells Intel to put hardware backdoors into all their chips
>entire globe can now be spyed on by the U.S. government

>>60375887
fowardcom ISA is also a possibility. Agner Fog was one of the creators.

>>60376680
>but wait, how do you know the FPGA itself doesn't have a backdoor?
How exactly could you do that? To secretly interface with the internet through an FPGA, which could have any combination of circuits on it, seems like it would be difficult.

>not soldering your own cpus

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>>60380633
>not mining all materials you need and then redoing the whole manufacturing process from stone age to today tech level (all the while hunting fat niggers for sustenance so you don't waste time farming/gathering)

>best Internet in Poland is 1Gb/100Mb
I hope shit gets better before my current contract ends.

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>>60375885
I heard you liked botnets so we put a botnet on your botnet so your botnet can run a botnet on its botnet

>>60378299
I wouldn't be surprised if russian security agencies were bugging the government's shit to spy on the other agencies

>>60375885
>tfw the universe is a neverending chain of botnet within botnet within botnet

>>60383209
Why can't I just enjoy my cheese pizza in peace?

>>60383209
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>>60379125
>>60378012
>the processors they designed (and are therefore bug-free)

>>60378299

Russian culture is very pro-self over pro-country and would definitely engage in that kind of behavior. I doubt they switched all of their systems to typewriters, but for really secure stuff even the FBI/CIA/NSA use paper only.

>>60379885

Wouldn't help if someone at the chip fab altered the design at manufacturing time.

>>60385188
If it's open source you can just manufacture it in your home fab unit.

>needs to be done by an employee
so worthless piece of shit

>>60386700
I, too, want to return to the days of computes the size of industrial refrigerators.

I'm going to start using my fucking IBM ThinkPad 340 from 199-bastard-4 with a 50 Mhz IBM made CPU if this shit keeps going.

>>60375511
And Stallman thought it was about the Software.

In the end, what use is it to run an OS that doesn't control you when the CPU controls the OS?

>>60375511
>dub dubs
Nice.
>a hacker could reliable trigger a feature of the chip that gives them full access to the operating system
Is this "feature" intel ME (and its AMD equivalent) or is it something else?

>>60378518

They can enable the weakness but someone still has to have access to your computer to take advantage of it.

>microtransactions
>microagression
>microbackdoors

>>60390655
>>60390944
He's also right about (some specific type of) hardware.

https://stallman.org/intel.html