Windows kills people

>a good OS

Name one

Because loads of devices that make up the critical infrastructure are only Windows compatible, and the manufacturers aren't willing to write drivers for Linux. Beyond that, most computers in the medical field are Windows, and it already takes several years to just move between versions of that, a shift to Linux/macOS would probably take over a decade assuming more medical equipment firms actually embrace those platforms.

>>60359406
Linux. MacOS.

The problem wasn't the use of Windows. The vulnerability in Windows that was taken advantage of by the worm had already been fixed in March. The problem is the user who does not regularly apply security patches.

You are the one to blame. Next time, don't leave your fucking door open if you don't want people to come into your house and rob you.

>>60359451
>mfw libertarian
>mfw just thought about governments creating regulations and requiring manufacturers to ship linux drivers

wtf i love socialism now

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>>60359451
>most computers in the medical field are Windows
This scares me.

>>60359493
All you'd have to do is declare Windows in general non HIPAA compliant. The industry would have no choice but to comply without a single line of new law.

>>60359380
>Windows kills people
No, ransomware writers do.

>>60359523
You just need to say one word. Telemetry.

>>60359522
>This scares me

it should. Hospitals cling onto old software until the very last day of support. When I was laid off last December, we still had Windows XP machines in production because the jews at the commiefornia HQ refuse to buy the upgrade needed for our security badge system

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>>60359380
>"If [the NSA] had privately disclosed the flaw used to attack hospitals when they found it, not when they lost it, this may not have happened," he added.

>Hospitals have been partly blamed for not updating their software in March when a patch was released to fix the flaw. But Mr Snowden pointed out that had the NSA disclosed the vulnerability when it found it, hospitals would have had years to prepare, rather than months.

is he right /g/?

>>60359406
OpenBSD

>>60359681
Many smaller healthcare facilities like doctors offices have some two bit MSP handle their IT so it's even worse. These "people" routinely send passwords in clear text email.

Source: work for a company selling backup software to these fuckwits.

>>60359690
snowden is a smug traitorous faggot, and I wish russia would put a bullet in his head soon

The problem is that corporations put stability over everything, and they don't put any manpower into the testing needed in order to roll out these patches to production machines in a timely manner

>>60359493
And then they'd ship drivers that will only work on the particular version of 2.6.32 that RHEL 6 ships, with kernel security updates routinely breaking it. And then in 2030 there'd be a scandal where hospitals all over the place stopped working because half of their critical infrastructure was running RHEL 6 because the incompetent fucks who wrote the specialized medical software never updated it for anything else.

>>60359795
Fuck off NSA shill

>>60359814
No worries, we'll just create even more regulations, both for hospitals and Red Hat.

Huh, this is easy!

>>60359690
He is correct.
The government is objectively immoral for having done this and is directly responsible for the damage done and potential lives lost.

At $300 per machine this is the point when you just start fucking paying You pay for a machine, you update that machine, and you move on to the next one.

>>60359814
Red Hat should just start refusing to certify drivers that aren't in the mainline kernel. Proprietary kernel drivers are fucking gone except for the embedded world and a few companies selling server shit. Even AMD is pushing for total mainlining, with their full OpenCL stack hitting github.

>>60359795
When you swear an oath in government service, you swear to uphold the Constitution. An organization like the NSA that violates the Constitution is owed no loyalty by any citizen.

You're right that the problem here is shitty patch management. Organizations in general don't like that, and the IT department doesn't have enough clout to say "Nope, this is important. We're bringing things down for patching once a week, deal with the downtime. If a patch breaks something, blame [Microsoft, Red Hat, Oracle, etc]" The top management says no to all that shit.

I bet trump is going to ask the NSA to keep making more of this.

>>60359490
It wouldn't surprise me if the medical devices only run on non patched or old OSed...

>>60359451

>a shift to Linux/macOS
>macOS
>shift to an OS not even intended to run off non-Apple computers

Its Linux or BSD.

Windows is the only system taken seriously in the enterprise. I'm a *nix system architect but the windows sysadmin/SOE impl team at my company actually ensure we stay up to date. Weve got 50k employees and about as many desktops.

This is just typical public sector IT. Underskilled and underfunded.

>>60359604
Easily addressed with VLANs which arent internet routable, and for people who need internet access, using VDI or session based virtual desktops. Its as if you're just some gaymer who thinks he understand computers because he changed a clock multiplier in his bios. Oh wait… you are.

>>60359380
>Fuck this shit. Why aren't hospitals using a good OS for critical infrastructure?!?!?!?!
This is common in large environments. FFS WinXP is still used widely in defense environments such as on the UK's newest aircraft carrier - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/15/windows_xp_royal_navy/

US nuke command and control systems are still being ran on 1970s era IBM hardware - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/25/us_nuclear_guidance_system_running_on_8inch_floppies/

IT is expensive and management never wants to spend money when the existing systems already work.

>>60359940
Sorry, s/system/Desktop system*

big important thing I forgot to miss in my post

Window Update servers are overloaded right now?
I tried updating but it won't leave 0%

>>60359380
>Windows kills people

Same logic as banning guns. Malware kills people

>>60359380
>all had to be done by hand
Who was saying it was impossible to run this on paper? Has anyone died yet?

That's what I thought.

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>>60360004
>Window Update servers are overloaded right now?
No, you're just retarded.

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>>60359681
I know what hospital this is. Their badge server crashed and they never backed up the database on the reg. Fucking stupid.

>>60359380
>so blood tests, admissions, scan requests, referrals, all had to be done by hand

Blood tests done by hand, impressive.

>>60359523
Hell would freeze over before microsoft lets the government label their bread and butter software product as a security threat under color of law.

>>60359598
>attack vector was written by the NSA
>the NSA is the government
>the government kills people

Yep, checks out.

I wonder if the guys who wrote this are shitting themselves right now, I don't think there is anyway they expected it to spread so fast and hit hospitals. People could actually die because of this. Because this has spread worldwide I expect a lot of governments will be doing all they can to track them down.

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>Not using seL4 on mission critical and life critical hardware
Holy Kek my sides

>>60359952

Military systems using 70's tech is more reliable than XP connected to the internet.

>>60360019
> malware kills people
Same argument as guns kill people.
You kill people.

>>60359380
>Why aren't hospitals using a good OS
If you don't call windows XP a good OS, don't know what you do call one

Reminder heartbleed was the worse remote exploit of this decade and only affected openssl machines, not schannel which windows uses

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>everyone at work telling me to make sure my devices are secure
>no one ever fucking listened to my advice before when they bitched about getting ransomware

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What's more scare is how easy they can get your data, this smb exploit could have been used for pretty much anything, who knows if someone already got a hold of medical and banking information of millions around the world. I really hope it's just the cryptolocker thing.

>>60360063

/thread

>>60359380
>Why aren't hospitals using a good OS for critical infrastructure?!?!?!?!
Anyone that has ever worked with doctors can tell you the answer to that. They fucking hate technology, and the only thing they hate more than technology is relearning how to use technology. And since IT is lower on the totem pole than doctors in a hospital, then what the doctors say goes. IT tries to upgrade software to something modern, then the doctors throw a fit. And if it's not rolled back outright, then the deadlines for switching over get pushed back indefinitely. Which means they end up sticking with old shit like Windows XP. Which, by the way, is why they had this problem. They were still using Windows XP in those hospitals. You know, the operating system that hasn't received security patches for three years and expects everything to run as administrator.

>>60360083
>I wonder if the guys who wrote this are shitting themselves right now
If they're shitting themselves then it's because of how much money they made off it. If they had some moral dilemma about it then they'd just release all the decryption keys like that one ransomware group did.

>>60360830
Whatever they do they're beyond fucked now. It's innawoods time for them.

In the US, hospitals routinely take down their computer systems for maintenance and upgrades and switch to pen & paper for the day. This usually happens once a month and everyone hates it but are used to it. It also serves as practice in case the system gets fucked for real- or so they say.

OP is probably fake.

>>60359919
not defending hospitals, but I'd imagine that it's hard to update computers that are almost always in use e.g. ER computers, MRI, x-rays, etc

Are there even any alternatives to the software they use on other platforms? I always notice hospitals/dentists/medical institutions in general tend to use commercial suites to deal with managing patient information and the like that doesn't seem to have an equivalent on macOS or Linux.

>>60360916
Not really.

You can do old blood test methods by hand, but its extremely tedious and takes WAY longer than letting a computer do it.

It's not Windows or Microsoft's fault, it's the NHs for using UNPATCHED Windows XP. This was HOTFIXED for windows XP months ago. X FUCKING PEE.

>>60359380
How the fuck did hospitals even function before computers? What a train wreck. This is just a warning of what can happen if people don't start implementing more failsafes and teaching people how to do shit when technology goes kill

>>60360956
>HOTFIXED for Windows XP
Link to hotfix?

>>60360868
They're probably third-worlders and don't give a fuck.

>>60360914
>not defending hospitals, but I'd imagine that it's hard to update computers that are almost always in use e.g. ER computers, MRI, x-rays, etc
Easy way to work around this PXE booted thin clients with session based or VDI based desktops. If you need to update just have them reboot their computer, and on the server side you just have them reconnect to their virtual desktop when you've updated the image, or some of nodes in the RDS cluster.

>>60359406
CentOS

>>60360990
>Easy way to work around this PXE booted thin clients with session based or VDI based desktops.
Keep in mind this is public sector IT, they would be completely unable to run a VDI solution competently.

>>60359380
people who think everything would magically be great if Linux was used over Windows are the most cancerous faggots on the planet

>>60361000
This.

>>60360990
No way would I use thin clients in a hospital. Loss of network connectivity means the thin client stops working.

>>60359380
>no, don't test your failsafe infrastructure, just pretend it's there and it'll work when you need it, the computers are fine and will be until the end of time....

>>60361002
Can't really blame them, they don't know what they don't know.

>>60361002
Everything else already runs on Linux. You would be surprised how much of the world's infrastructure already does. Windows is the problem.

A lot of hospitals still use hand and paper instead of tablets. Not everyone is as helpless as Euro trash.

>>60361016
Hospitals use Windows, because it's better than Linux and doesn't require special gay hardware like OS X

>>60359690
No.

They couldn't be assed to use basic Windows features. The NSA coming out and saying hey guys we found an exploit wouldn't change the type of behavior that got people here.

But of course Snowden has to make it about Big Brother.

>>60361016
>Loss of network connectivity means the thin client stops working.
It doesnt matter because if they're using a computer then either just about app they would need to use requires network connectivity, or it is an embedded system.

>>60360981
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/MS17-010

That is what happens when management downsizes IT. Fucktards at the top only view IT as a cost center. Hurr durr they don't bring in any profits. They are there exactly to prevent shit like this from happening. Well now the shit has hit the fan. NHS deserves to burn for their incompetence.

>>60361036
That only goes to Vista SP2.

>>60361000
Maybe prior to systemd, sure.

>>60361002
Depends on the distro. Selinux would have stopped the worm in its tracks.

>>60361033
Not always. Sometimes you can make do with offline access and just sync the data afterward or whatever.

>>60361057
>Selinux would have stopped the worm in its tracks
Is that before or after the hospital IT disables it?

>>60361057
>Not always. Sometimes you can make do with offline access and just sync the data afterward or whatever.
literally what.

>Depends on the distro. Selinux would have stopped the worm in its tracks.
You can do the same thing with Windows's AppLocker.

>>60361066
>Hospital IT
They had to write 6 hours worth of paperwork to get permission to disbale it. Such is the life in the public sector.

>>60361066
I have no doubt that some idiot would disable it, but I don't consider someone removing the lock from their door to be the fault of the door manufacturer.

>>60361066
>NSA has been telling US business, medical, financial companies, to use SELINUX for over a decade now
They release documents describing how to setup networks that this wouldn't work on for windows too. The main point is to not have unrestricted SMB everywhere.

>>60361002
magically be great? no
magically be better? Pretty much definitely

>>60359690
Maybe.

It's also plausible that the attackers ALREADY had this vulnerability, but were stockpiling it and now that MS has patched it, the number of target machines was dwindling, so they said fuck it and released.
In that case, the hopsitals would have had even less time than now to prepare.

>>60361082
NSA had this vulnerability
It got leaked. MS patched it. Someone weaponized it afterwards.

>>60361072
>You can do the same thing with Windows's AppLocker.
Not on the Windows XP machines they're running. Hell, I don't even have App Locker in my environment either because Windows 10 Pro can't do AppLocker. Microsoft is fucking retarded.

>>60360912
>In US Hospitals
>NHS Hospital in UK

Did you know in Japanese Hospitals they have a priority for Prevention rather than Treatment, so they get less patients overall.

I think US hospitals focus on Treatment is fake.

>>60361080
If anyone there had the ability they would have been using applocker.

The issue is not a technological one, this is purely a human / process one.

>>60361032
>But of course Snowden has to make it about Big Brother.
He is pushing pretty fucking hard, but the worm was written by the NSA, and they did lose it. This why privacy and security are important.

>Who cares if the government has all your data, nothing to hide bro
>oops they leaked it

>Who cares if the government maintains backdoors, they'll catch terrorists
>oops they leaked it

It's less about the concept of government, and more about the implementation. The US government is unbelievably fucking stupid.

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>>60361025
Even setting aside the reality that computing is more than web servers, internet of shit devices and hip PR projects from big megacorps you constantly upvote, Windows is the "problem" because it's popular on desktops and other systems operated and managed by everyday people, meaning it's an easy as shit vector for skiddies like these guys to target and compromise an organization with. They didn't get into the NHS's systems because of the SMB exploit that was undoubtedly firewalled off from the outside anyway, they got in because some dipshit clicked a fucky email attachment and set it loose on an unprotected local network, which then spread to more critical systems from there.

This same shit could happen no matter what operating system you use; Linux, macOS, Haiku, whatever, all it takes is a little PEBCAK.

But of course, none of you retards understand that, you think you're smart because you took the 5 minutes to download a Ubuntu ISO and click through an installer, but in the end you're no different from grandma who thinks major security breaches occur through hacker magic and hollywood-tier exploitation.

>>60360057
>"lets"
They have no power over Trump or his Secretary of Health and Human Services, and regulations are the purview of the executive branch.

Kek.
Hopefully the people who suffered from this learn to fucking secure their systems because it fucking matters.

And maybe they'll stop enabling organisations like the NSA making software more insecure.

>>60361103
NSA having the vuln doesn't necessarily mean *only* the NSA had the vuln (however, being a law enforcement agency, they should have disclosed this far, far sooner -they're aren't *supposed* to be crooks)

>>60361108
If they cared enough to use move to Linux to use SELinux (highly unlikely) they would have enough recources to by the enterprise sku.

The issue is people not technology.

>>60360581
seL4 is only capable of interactive use cases as a base for Genode, which is nowhere near ready. For static embedded stuff you have a point.

>>60361124
Gee, it's almost as if normies are what's wrong with the world entirely today.

Use terminal services. Simple. Cheaper than PCs, autobackup, can be made secure as

>>60361124
No retard, because systems that are able to access the internet are not hooked into unrestricted SMB with your fucking databases unless you hired bottom dollar and never spend any money.

>>60361131
The thing about stockpiling exploits is that they have an expiry date because no one knows when it is going to get patched/discovered and they are a one time use thing. The fact that NSA still held onto this exploit meant no one else knew it, or if they did they didn't use it yet or it was used in a manner that went completely undetected.

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>>60359493
>yfw microsoft only has a monopoly because socialist policies are keeping it that way
if true capitalism were in place, monopolies would vanish in a blink of an eye because they are not profitable, since competitors can move faster than you

>>60359490
>operating can't be updated without restarting
This is the reason why people don't update

Those computers might need to be used constantly

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>>60361108
>Not on the Windows XP machines they're running.
We're talking about hypotheticals here, stop being autistic.

>Hell, I don't even have App Locker in my environment either because Windows 10 Pro can't do AppLocker.
Thats your fault, I use it at home.

>>60361165
>What is price fixing

>>60359493
I think it would be better to offer tax incentives to companies who write linux drivers maybe....

or grants to 3rd party groups who do it ....

>>60361139
>The issue is people not technology.
It's both. Microsoft reinforced poor security practices for about two decades before they finally started to do something about it, and by that point shit was already ingrained. If Microsoft didn't exist we wouldn't have a lot of these problems.

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>>60361169
>disabling cortana via applocker
That's pretty clever, I'm surprised I haven't seen that elsewhere.

>>60361191
If you disable Cortana via the MS recommended way the process still runs and uses ~10-15MB ram.

>>60361165
I also wonder if this might be true. Huge companies like Microsoft would have a hard time quickly reacting to changing markets and evolving technology than smaller competitors more in touch.

>>60361207
Would the larger company just buy the smaller one?

like others have said, it is really the fact that their shit was SO outdated and insecure. WinXP man. wtf. that is the big issue here IMO

>>60361207
Microsoft had a monopoly precisely because the PC industry was totally unregulated in the 1990's.

>>60361207
without any regulation monsters like microsoft would just muscle out everyone using money, giving away free stuff until you go broke and then buying/dissolving you.

Huge companies like microsoft, google, apple, all have way too much cash to be dislodged. If we had no restrictions we'd have fucking IBM running everything still.

The one exception, if you remove all IP, patent, etc law and make it a free for all, these companies would collapse in the face of hoards of small companies.

>>60361146
A profound observation, my friend, but unfortunately a useless one. Take your (You) and run along.

>>60361158
Nothing happened to the actual databases, what are you talking about?

>>60361169
>Thats your fault, I use it at home.
I've got around 6,000 hosts to manage and buying device Enterprise licenses for all of them would so fucking expensive. I blame Microsoft for releasing an abomination like Pro in the first place. There's no point to that SKU, like half of the other Windows 10 SKUs.

>>60361124
>but in the end you're no different from grandma who thinks major security breaches occur through hacker magic and hollywood-tier exploitation
Sounds like you're describing a windows user, tbqh.
>Yeah bro just pirate Windows 7 and never update! It's all free and it's like magic! How does it work? Who knows?

Dumbest tech normies that exist, besides college girls whose parents buy Macs for them.

>>60361221
uh, is it really regulated much more now?

>>60361250
>yeah dude just press ctrl alt delete if something happens!

>>60361247
Yes, there is. It's for home users that need gpedit.msc and BitLocker.

>>60361285
Those should have just been available in Home.

>>60361247
>I can't justify my procurement requests to management
>the post

>>60361308
Home targets people like your aunt. She doesn't know what a group policy is, does not want to learn and does not need it.
She also doesn't need BitLocker because all her data is worthless to anyone who'd be thinking of grabbing the hard drive or the entire computer.

>>60361318
More like nobody wants to fork over that much money just for AppLocker. Aside form that there's not that much of a difference.

>>60361165
It is.
>bbbut MS use
No one else makes a comparable desktop OS.
The only other pure US desktop (it's US gov, so it must be US software) is MacOS X

For some reason USGOV hates AIX, so it's probably out of the question.

>>60361339
RHEL is DoD approved for use so Linux can get in with a corporate sponsor.

>>60361250
>Sounds like you're describing a windows user, tbqh.
I'm describing retards in general. The point is that the platform makes no difference, those people will not magically disappear the day the Linux desktop comes, skiddies will merely concentrate more effort on targeting Linux systems.

>>60361333
>She also doesn't need BitLocker because all her data is worthless to anyone who'd be thinking of grabbing the hard drive or the entire computer.
Bullshit. BitLocker should be on by default. Your hypothetical aunt needs it more than a lot of more technically literate people since she probably stores all sorts of incredibly sensitive data right on the desktop of her laptop. As for Group Policy, I agree, but that doesn't mean it should be ripped out. Most home users don't need half the shit that Windows 10 ships with.

>>60361124
>PEBCAK
t. NSA

>>60361338
>More like nobody wants to fork over that much money just for AppLocker.
No one wants to yet they have two different SKUs for the product which plenty of companies actually buy? Here you go babyadmin, next time you're doing a licensing audit tell management this all could have been avoided if users werent able to install software on their machines, and then go through your ticketing database and find all the tickets for the previous fiscal which could have been avoided if users couldnt run any software they wanted and write a report showing to management how much this is costing the organization versus upgrading to enterprise.

>>60361369
>skiddies will just target the other platforms! It will just work, like magic! Like the Hollywood films!
I get what you're saying, but there's also some irony here

>>60361361
They'd need to validate xorg or wayland and some window manager first.
AFAIK, GNOME nor KDE are validated.
IIRC CDE is validated though...

XFree86 + CDE it is!

>>60361386
You act like AppLocker is the only way to restrict their PC. For the most part it just makes things easier. Software Restriction GPOs have existed forever. You just sound like you like wasting money, which is not surprising since you're a Microsoft zealot.

>>60361406
Redhat has a bunch of support contracts with the US Gov, I mean, you are basically totally wrong.

I'm fairly certain no one has formally validated fucking Oracle's database shit but it owns the market so thats that.

>>60361412
AppLocker allows you to define rules based on file hash, not just path and is far more powerful. It is the fucking selling point of the enterprise SKU.

>>60360595

Was going to say this too. Honestly, that's probably the best way to run those isolated systems.

>>60361318
>be a grown man
>needs to be "managed"
c u ck s

>>60359406
VMS

>>60359478
>MacOS.
>thinking hospitals have 2k per machine to spend

>>60361450
BitLocker + EMET + Software Restriction GPOs are sufficient to the point that you're just wasting your money. If you've got a situation where someone can change the hash of a file that's restricted by Software Restriction then you've already been owned.

>>60361388
>if we all move to another operating system at once they'll all just give up and get real jobs!
You really have no idea how fucking retarded you sound.

>>60359690
>>Hospitals have been partly blamed for not updating their software in March when a patch was released to fix the flaw. But Mr Snowden pointed out that had the NSA disclosed the vulnerability when it found it, hospitals would have had years to prepare, rather than months.
yes and no. a sysadmin at a hospital can't hotfix hundreds of machine since third party software has the tendency to stop working after updates. they need weeks to check that out.

>>60360083
>track them down
> not making a compulsory move to update/upgrade old machines
Priorities go wrong there. If anything, it should be in reverse.

>>60359731
Yes, it's going to be a nice week up ahead. Good luck hunting.

>>60359952
>US nuke command and control systems are still being ran on 1970s era IBM hardware - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/25/us_nuclear_guidance_system_running_on_8inch_floppies/
and that's why it's unhackable.

Jesus fuck.

When is Apple going to save computers? Why are people still using windows. People are literally dying over Windows.

>Sony hack of 2014 used an SMB vulnerability to install a worm
>attack today used an SMB vulnerability to install ransomware on hundreds of thousands of computers

STOP USING MICROSOFT STANDARDS

>>60360868
they're most likely eastern european so the only thing that could happen is that they pay a bribe and then drive home in their new mercedes.

>>60359952
>Easily addressed with VLANs which arent internet routable, and for people who need internet access, using VDI or session based virtual desktops
I'm truly lucky enough to be in an academic institution that actually do all this and both of my employer and head department willing to invest on top of revamping shiity-tier network infrastucture of a building.
>Anyone that has ever worked with doctors can tell you the answer to that. They fucking hate technology
Real story
COO: By next week, if you don't change your ways, your salary is on the line
Semi-retired medicine lecturer: .......

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>see the pop up for a windows update on my win10 laptop (i know)
>think nothing of it, click remind me later
>see the update again, say fuck it i dont care
>go take a shower
>upon returning see that my computer is stuck in an automatic repair loop
>fuck.jpg
>try booting into safe mode
>still tries to repair drives
>try system restore from backup
>computer unable to rollback
>try system reset, it cant reset itself

What the fuck is this? Is this the ransomware at work or some random hardware issue? I've been able to log into my computer once since this started and i saw that all of my files were still accessible albeit the computer was only running on one core. I tried getting my stuff out but literally was not able to.

I've been trying to run disk checks from the command prompt accessible from the advanced startup menu (only accessible feature i have right now) but it takes so fucking long

Have you guys ever experienced anything like this? Could this be the russians fucking me in the ass?

>>60361250
>Yeah bro just pirate Windows 7 and never update! It's all free and it's like magic! How does it work? Who knows?
I know that feel. Being born into a third world has forced me to accept that my country's currency is shit. Until I dual boot Ubuntu (part of curriculum), then Mint, then leap to Arch.

Never look back since.

>>60361765
had this happen a few months back when a win10 update failed. did all the same shit as you tried, what ended up being wrong was the failed install fucked up the tiny partition needed for the uefi bios to boot. googled the problem and rebuilt it using command line from boot, dont remember what it exatly was.

>>60361765
try this
http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-stop-an-automatic-repair-loop-in-windows-10-and-windows-8/

>>60359690
I think even with enough time, sometimes medical appllications might break with the new windows update or some shit like that, and since people's life depend on this shit it's not an easy call

>>60361702
I have no idea why anyone considers Microsoft software acceptable. MS-CHAPv2 was cracked because:

>2. The Server then concatenates the password-hash-hash, the 24-byte NT response, and the literal string “Magic server to client constant”, and then hashes the result with SHA.
>3. The Server concatenates the 20-byte SHA output from step (2), the initial 8-byte generated challenge (see Section 3) and the literal string “Pad to make it do more than one iteration”, and then hashes the result with SHA.

Oh, and they implemented "triple DES" as DES(key1) + DES(key2) + DES(key3) instead of DES(DES(DES(key1 + key2 + key3))). Whic is bad enough, but especially bad when you find out that key3 mostly padded zeroes.

This is the shit you fags are running on your PC.

>>60361967
>http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-stop-an-automatic-repair-loop-in-windows-10-and-windows-8/
Thanks, going to try this when i get home

>>60362082
It is their fault. Just like idiot IT faggots never updated from IE6-7 for like 10 years

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>>60359380
>>60359380
>tfw there's no real competitor to Microsoft Windows
>Linux - no games support, autistic way of using it, using command lines like it's 70s instead of using a simple gui
>Mac os, faggotry, only works on designed hardware, no games support

>>60362205
>Hospital
>Games support

>>60362205
>using command lines like it's 70s instead of using a simple gui
You should really look into PowerShell.

>>60362205
>tfw there's no real competitor to Microsoft Windows
Thanks to marketing strategy, not capabilities of your OS, Bill.
>Linux - no games support
PCSX2, PPSSPP, DesMuMe, Touhou and other indies under Wine.
>autistic way of using it
Same goes with every typical user that doesn't know how to ping using cmd and opt for speedtest.net for network availability.
>using command lines like it's 70s instead of using a simple gui
>Not installing additional packages to replace your daily CLI woes

>>60360004
No thats just windows,sometimes just stucks at 0%.
Google for solution.

>client has NetBIOS open by default

Microshit windaids: NOT EVEN ONCE¡

>>60361518
Firms who switch to macs save money on IT over time due to computers lasting longer and requiring less support

>>60363159
Don't label your indie blog start up in San Fran a firm please.

>>60362205
This
I work in a major hospital and many lives depend on perfect game support

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>>60359406

Solaris.

>>60360031
>a server named bixnood
wtf

>>60360031
what is this? is this better than wsus ?

>>60359478
GNU/Linux*

>>60359380
Hire more people to run security because of diversity instead of actual skill and this happens.

This also happens when you employ cheap pajeets instead of professionals to handle the security.

don't know too much about bitcoin. is there no way to follow the money trail here to get the fucks who started the attack?

>>60364657
No.

>>60359380
>Your hospital doesn't run everything on a lightweight Linux server for stability and security
Frankly, you deserve to die. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>60364657
Theoretically yes, since all transactions are public, but it's very likely in practice that they are using multiple addresses and tumblers which would make it near-impossible to trace in practice. It's far more likely that, if they do get caught, it will be due to poor opsec than any attempt to trace the transaction history.

>>60364786
I'm pretty sure I heard they fucked up and only used 3 such addresses instead of a new address for every transaction (which would have been professional) Come on, people. Even the writers of Breaking Bad know to have their Belorussian paypal hacker set up a new account for every donation into Walter White's bank account.

>>60364645
The management are shit. Their technical staff are shit. Anyone who wants to work in NHS IT will be shit. Hiring more people will just waste more taxpayers money.

>>60364816
Even if they just had transactions sent to one address, they're going to be running it through a bitcoin washer before it ends up in their real bitcoin address, and they've probably got some decently anonymized way of cashing out as well.

>>60364832
Read again

>>60364916
Their existing staff will not be able to hire skilled workers and they will not be able to manage them in a way that allows them to do their job properly.

>>60359710
only OS I'd trust with critical security

>>60364657
Bitcoin wallets can be created in seconds without the need to provide any personal information, this makes it incredibly easy to obfuscate a money trail and conceal funds. Without knowing the identity of the person using the address it is pointless anyway. However if a suspect is being investigated for the crime and their address is known, the transaction history could feasibly be traced to payments sent by victims of the fraud, however it has likely been tumbled and distributed to the point where it is almost impossible to find the origin.

>>60359869

so the government is immoral for building an atom bomb

dumb fuck

>>60364956
Even then they can just use it to buy coke or something and send an expendable idiot to pick it up.

I work at an A+E in Poland.

All the personnel-accessed computers run CentOS since the Windows XP support ended.
They're glorified terminals reallly, since everyhing is done on a centralized server and accessed via web browser.
All of this avoidable if only people weren't fucking dumb.

>>60364944
You must be autistic to misunderstand things this much.

Anon-kun just stop before you hurt your brain too much.

>>60359523
except there are plenty of hospitals and healthcare providers who are not currently HIPAA compliant, nor do they care very much

the government sucks at enforcing certain things and some companies bank on these things not getting enforced

Source: have a friend who runs an MSP and knows of several local healthcare providers who don't care about HIPAA

I was a intern at a hospital 3 years ago and only reason they were running some XP machines was because software for some of the machines was only written for XP and didn't work with 7.

I noticed some people mentioned thin client system to be used. That hospital used it but it turned out to be utter shit (maybe because how they made it) but doctors, nurses would at the beginning of the day check their mails and news etc etc and that would just tank the server so after a year using this system they started going back to standalone PCs for them

funny thing was that 1 lad from the IT was mining bitcoin in the hospital basement for years and only got caught like in February.

>>60365009
You don't get it. They will not be able to hire, retain, or manage skilled professionals to begin with, because as an organisation they are not in any way capable of doing so.

At best they can pay Accenture or some other outsourcing company to fleece them.

>>60364783
Unpatched Linux shit are not any safer than unpatched Windows shit.

>>60359451
>>60359380
>>60359451
>>60359490

The real story here is. Why the fuck is "critical infrastructure" on the internet to begin with?
Why is "critical infrastructure" not secured in a way that that any end machine is simply a dummy terminal with no real danger of data loss?
Why is data not backed up?

Personal computers who gives a fuck, let that serve as a lesson to users.

>>60359522
>most computers in the medical field are Windows
>This scares me.
Most in the USA are still running Windows XP, and some got updated to Windows 7.

>>60359523
That wouldn't be a good option because so much hardware is windows dependent. You would shit a brick if you seen some of these "devices" are just hacked together with duct tape and have Windows CE running in them and they're hooked up to the fucking network.

>>60359690
It makes no fucking difference. Governments want your shit unsecured for their access, they don't have any incentive to protect the public, they're not your friend.

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>>60365174
>The real story here is. Why the fuck is "critical infrastructure" on the internet to begin with?
>Why is "critical infrastructure" not secured in a way that that any end machine is simply a dummy terminal with no real danger of data loss?
>Why is data not backed up?

Because the infrastructure has been built up incrementally over several decades and making it secure and reliable would mean stripping almost all of it out and retraining the staff to use a new system.

>>60365051

whats the punishment for mining le bitcoin on work computers?

some IT guy was doing it in a uni and he made big buxx

>>60365303
>whats the punishment for mining le bitcoin on work computers?

usually getting fired

>>60359406
Gentoo

>>60359380
>change OS
>have to spend millions in training and new software
>people in charge look at the numbers and revert back or decide it is better to stick with what they know
Has been a cycle for a long time now.

>>60359406
void linux

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>>60359380
Doctor in the NHS here /g/

There are a number of problems with the IT services in the NHS:

1. Lack of talent
>With private tech firms providing higher pay and much better lifestyle, the NHS is unable to attract good talent to work for them. This is why 3 month old patches are left open and vulnerable. Nobody working here has the skills to deal with this sort of attack.

2. Bureaucracy
> The power for decision making lies mostly with management-types with little to no knowledge of the actual things they are managing. This applies both for the healthcare aspect that doctors/nurses do every day and also the IT systems. NHS managers trying to understand what this attack even is or how to deal with it is ridiculous.

3. Ineffiiency
> The system is plagued with inefficiency. If any of you saw what these computers are like, you'd be driven to suicide or murder (of the network admins responsible). There is inefficiency at every stage; from the inception of an idea to its implementation. Allow me to present an example:
>Idea: Electronic note-taking for inpatient hospital wards using mobile computers
>Approach that would be taken by /g/ or any other techie: Custom built machines with mini-ITX boards, built processor heavy, GPU light and with good networking and a large battery packs
>NHS: Pic related. A laptop. In a box. With mouse and keyboard attached. These things are underpowered, have minimal battery capacity and frequently just don't work. All while costing far more than neccessary.


I don't know how to fix this. I don't know if I can.

>>60365320

lets say you got in the bitcoin game in 2012 and had 100 computers under your watch, how much ££ would you make after 1yr of 24hr mining, in 2017 prices?

Probably like more than a mill

werf it

>>60365539

are you one of those immigrant doctors who is anti-Brexit and acts like you are doing the British taxpayers a favour by working in "r NHS" m8?

>>60359406
CentOS

>>60365609
Immigrant at age 9
British citizen
Pro-Brexit
Educated here
Speak better English than you

But all of that is irrelevant to this thread

>>60359478
BSD/macOS

>>60365609
>one of those immigrant doctors who is anti-Brexit and acts like you are doing the British taxpayers a favour

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells is anti-brexit

>>60365666
nice trips but stop derailing fgt

>>60365664
FreeBSD doesn't even have ASLR

>>60365666
>over half the country doesn't have two brain cells
You need to learn that there are multiple issues that caused people to vote for it. Also the UK has always be fairly eurosceptic in comparison to most of the other members.

What do we know so far, how does Wannacry spreads? i Just woke up and saw the hype

>>60365637

Pro-Brexit because you want fewer Poles and more Pakis, or .. ? That's why most non-whites voted Brexit, ultimately it came down to racial identity. Poles are also racist as fuck lmao.

No hard feelings mate, a brown A&E doctor saved my brothers life after he was attacked (st mary's, paddington), i'll never forget him and what he did for my bro.

Still, my reasoning is the 100s of thousands of Uber drivers and takeaway workers doesn't make up for the few skilled and educated non-whites we have working in important sectors. A country without borders isn't a country.

>>60365303
well actually there was a 2nd guy that worked on xrays and shit that was also mining but in a closet on the 7th floor but he wasnt in house lad so he got fired on the spot but the their own IT guy (a russian to be exact) just recived "punishment) or some shit and didnt get fired. Probably because he was the only one handling the servers and knew the network layout

>>60365731
A big part of brexit was to stop legal immigration from other EU contries, but chugging it up to racism is why you are loosing politically.

>>60365731
I will not reply to anything else off topic for this thread beyond this post. Make a new thread and link it to discuss something else.

>ultimately it came down to racial identity
I believe it's about the values people hold, not just their race. Traditional Western values are the ones that gave rise to what I believe are the truly universally good values; free speech, secularism, humanism etc.

As long as those are the values you hold to and live by, I don't care where you're from. But try subverting that for religious ideology or censorship and I will do everything possible to expose the problems with that way of thinking.

>st mary's, paddington
heh. small world.

>>60365731

Brexit was retarded because EU migrants are earning the gov't more money then they take on average, while non-EU ones are on average taking more than they're paying in.

You will stop economically beneficial immigration of whites while not doing a thing about welfare queens from Islamabad.

>>60359681
Fucking jews and their greed man

>>60365805

Well not exactly, EU immigration was a proxy for non-white immigration for a lot of people, people who had never been given a vote on immigration ever. Put it this way, if you hate niggers and pakis but you don't mind Poles and Spaniards, would you vote Leave or Remain? Leave obvi, and as an added bonus you are insulated from charges of racism because superficially you are protesting against (white) immigration.

>>60365837

>muh values

No, I used to believe this but no longer do. Using your argument, if the UK was 20% Muslim, 20% Black, 20% Chink and 40% white/mixed, it would still be the same country as long as those minority groups adhere to "British values". However, we look around the world and we find this isn't the reality. The political system we have in place is designed for a homogenous white country. Things like being high-trust, a welfare state (that people should feel ashamed to use), unarmed police. Ultimately these minorities will vote for political parties that best represent their ethnic interests. Like Muslims voting overwhelmingly Labour - not because they favour high corporation tax, but because they perceive Labour to be more tolerant and nicer towards "their people". White Brits don't fully understand this and are still largely divided by class and status, not race.

>>60365848

>Brexit was retarded because EU migrants are earning the gov't more money then they take on average, while non-EU ones are on average taking more than they're paying in.

"The EU" isn't the same thing it was in 1995. Sure, if you analyse the data from 1980 to today, yeah EU immigrants are a net benefit, but I bet if you looked at 2010-2017 the gain is marginal at best.

>>60361168
If your machine is that important, you should have added an extra $100k to have a customized BSD built for it.

Good luck doctor man. If you see the (south) Asian man working the night shift in A&E, aged about 50-60, wish him the best from me.

>>60365956

I know it's anecdotal, but I'm Polish and I studied in the UK for 3 years. Out of dozens of people in the Polish community I knew over there only 1 was not working and on JSA during my stay, while 3 had their own companies and were job creators.

>>60359406
Windows 10

>>60366038

I saw a lot of the anti-EU sentiment directed towards Romanians. They're happier living 3 families to a 3 bedroom house, claiming housing benefit, working minimum wage, getting tax credits. Poles in my experience are harder working and fit in easier because you guys are white and catholic. Also a lot of them are thieves and scammers, unfortunately. Google helps here.

Still though, ultimately no nation should have an unlimited right to enter another nation. We do have a housing shortage, and tbqh for every one skilled, high-worth EU immigrant there are 10 working for minimum wage in Costa Coffee. It wasn't like this 20 years ago, but has become so since the eastwards expansion (particularly the EU2 countries). Let's say what you are saying is true, doesn't mean we should therefore be happy with having an open border to 500 million people, because in the future it might not be true and we wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

>>60359919
>medical devices only run on non patched or old OSed...

lol, tell me about it.
I used to work for the top two largest phone company, you'd be surprised how outdated their stuff is in terms of OS and security.

Left the industry, because I've been through too many IT global fuckups that affects clients globally and I have to remote fix their shit.

Also we have the fucked up situation of UK employers now actually preferring to employ immigrants. Why wouldn't they, when they have a labour pool of half a billion people to pick from. Meh.

>>60359478
Linux has no games.

>running hospitals and nationwide patient information infrastructure on FUCKING WINDOWS

>>60359406
Plan 9

>>60359451
Name three.

>>60359940
The NHS's IT is all done by contractors, friend.

>>60366288

Electronic Chart Display and Information System

>>60364430
I assume it's just a random/throwawat development Azure VM considering he's running MacOS and RDPing in there.

>>60366254
What will doctors do with their time?

>>60366310
No, half is done by contractors.
The other half are apprentices.

T. Ex-contractor

The hospital officials should be charged for each person that dies / gets complications because of their lack of security

>>60366365
wtf i love privatization now

>>60360031
>>60364430

mup da do didda BIXNOOD update MUHFUGGAH

>>60366382
Charged with what?

>>60366406
second degree murder

>>60366414
I'm not a lawyer, but your case sounds pretty thin.

>>60362205
>Linux - no games support
>somehow runs CSGO faster than windows on DX11

>>60366437
Don't forget there's no anti cheat enabled on Linux

>>60366429
there are cases of people being held in arrest for a year without a charge, so it can be done if an official wants it

>>60359795
>snowden is a smug traitorous faggot, and I wish russia would put a bullet in his head soon

How can you be remotely upset with someone disclosing how shitty your govt is treating you?
This is what happens when you pay attention to the media, isn't it? CNN said he was a traitor so that means he is! What if there was a term for blowing the whistle about your govt being a sack of shit to it's citizens?

>>60359490

We're talking about a country that wanted to force Google et all to open source their algos.

>>60360914
I work in the IT field for hospitals, let me shed some light on it (At least in the US)
Most of these devices, if running a modern OS, are thin clients. There would be absolute minimal downtime to update them.

The problem isn't a technological standpoint, it's an administration one. My coworkers and I are constantly fighting morons to try and secure the devices in the Hospitals we work with.

I live in an area with some insanely highly rated hospitals, these are head surgeons, heads of their departments. They want access to things outside the hospital for stupid reasons, completely unrelated to work.

Yes, you could have these updates on computers, but people would complain that their computer in their office is down for all of 2 minutes.

>>60359795

>risk your life to tell your countrymen how your government is fucking tyrannical and screwing you over hard
>get called a traitor

He's only a traitor to the NSA technically. He's a hero. Imagine what we wouldn't know as of yet if it wasn't for people like him and Julian Assravage,

>>60366222
P O O
O
O

>UK's GCHQ is so paranoid that they literally record all internet traffic that runs through the underground fiber-optic cables
>can't secure their life-or-death medical infrastructure

What did they mean by this?

>>60366157
we don't just have a housing shortage, we have a housing crisis and a lack of room on this island

this island is packed with many more people than it could naturally support, and i think it's negatively affecting the wellbeing of its inhabitants, since no one wants to be packed into a little flat between two paki families

>>60366481
You really don't want to fuck with people whose job it is to cut you open and play with your organs.

>>60366038
the employment rate of poles is about equal to that of the native british, but that does not mean i want unlimited numbers of poles to enter the country

>>60359690
How would he even know this?

>>60366602
GCHQ and NHS are in direct competition for government funding.

>>60366038
Guaranteed they were claiming in-work benefits though

>>60366650
It's GCHQ's job to make sure critical infrastructure is properly defended, through their subsidiary "National Cyber Security Centre" agency

>>60366685
Counter intelligence takes priority. GCHQ won't patch any government systems for exploits it deems useful.

>>60362205
>no games
>you can run touhou by wine

>>60359380
This is 100% neglect showing
The IT in any non tech related company or organization is absymal and incompetent at best, and entirely nonexistent at worst. No surprise here, this was bound to happen now or later, considering the extremely shit quality of the so called "IT" grads

>>60359380
>connecting hospital infrastructure directly to the internet
>letting dumbasses plug in flash drives

>b-but is was windows f-fault!

>>60362205
>discussing about which OS to use in a work environment
>but these ones have no games
Are you 12 or just retarded?

>>60367790
>windows is only safe if it's disconnected from the internet
look at these Winshit shills... look at them and laugh

>>60367889
>connecting sensitive stuff directly to the internet
t. retard

>>60359406
Crux

>>60359380
The bigger questions. Is why the blood test equipment is on a network with Internet attached machines.

>>60359406
TempleOS

>jai-kwanzo in administration runs freeporn.exe
>ruins an entire hospital
should these people be gassed?

>>60368195
>Ranjeet Atkinson installs Windows on hospital machines
>ruins entire hospital
I believe they should

>>60368244
gotta have windows so rajesh knows how to use the software
everyone knows kazanja cant look at facebook on linux

>>60368195
>>60368244
Microsoft forcing their monopoly in power with government regulation is what ensures stupid people like them keep running windows.

>>60359380
There is no excuse, this time Microsoft should not go the apologetic path

Install GN/Linux NOW!

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>>60359380
>"Bill. I was impressed with your vaccination scheme in Africa, but targeting British hospitals directly? Genius. Your methods continue to impress me Bill. My employers are quite pleased. Just give the word and we shall proceed to Stage 4 of the eugenics program."

>*click*

>deeppoo mohamed abdulhamid patel installs windows on hospital machines
>millions die

>>60359406
windows xp

>>60361165
You forgot the risis at the end of the XIX century, and the development of trusts.
Capitalism works because of trusts, get over it oor become a bolche

>>60368331
kek

>>60368321
>vaccination scheme in Africa
Literally using humans as lab rat.

>>60363159
>thinking the nhs can afford even win 7 computers

>>60365397
this, mein negro

>>60366564
It's probably going to take people fucking dying from an attack like this to get doctors to wise up and let IT apply preventative medicine to their infrastructure.

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>>60366254

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>>60359406
Genode on seL4, once it gets a bit more mature.
>desktop OS
>FOSS
>already has Qt and OpenGL support, 3D hardware accel on Intel coming soon (which should hopefully allow a similar port for AMD)
>VirtualBox for legacy Windows applications
>POSIX compatibility layer that can already run OpenSSH and Vim
>capability based security way, way, way better than Linux, BSD, or NT do it
>did I mention it runs on seL4

>>60366254
Tux Racer, faggot

>>60359690

I work at a small construction firm and we use some specialty programs. Just updating from windows 7 to 10 needed a month to do since some of these programs haven't had any real updates in years and it takes time to see if it cocks up

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>>60362047

what is the difference between the two ways to do triple DES?

>>60370403
Multiplicative instead of additive. Microsoft's way is super dumb.

The Tories plan to cut funding for upgrading NHS technology if they win the election.

Of course, the inbred vermin British will still be stupid enough to vote for them.

>>60359380
https://youtu.be/bE2r7r7VVic?t=1m18s

>>60370910
it's not a case of spending money to "upgrade" (which the NHS already very wastefully does) but of incompetent configuration

>inbred vermin British
mad we're on track to clamp immigration to 0

NIGGERS OUT

>>60370987
Too late.

>>60370987
No you're just going to change from "get more poles" to "get more pakis".

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You only had to listen.

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>>60368836
>Africa
>humans

>>60366254
You can play Theme Hospital on DosBox.

>>60371965
>unironically posting a subhuman

>>60371281
it's a thermodynamic necessity that migration must become 0 pretty fucking quick

>>60372019
t. shitter-shoah'd kike

>>60365539
You bongs are underfunded because your reptilian government hates commies and hates you all.
They want the NHS to fail so that they can privatize it and argue that it wasn't working.

>>60371998
i guess you could also run it in wine through qemu-user

>>60366568
But the attack wouldn't have even happened if Assange hadn't leaked old&busted NSA tools because :^)

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>>60373483
...or if people actually paid attention to those leaks and updated their information security procedures to prevent this in the first place

oh well, at least now the government might actually invest in upgrading their shit after this has caused mass panic across the globe

Thread is FILLED with MS and NSA shills desperately trying to defend the honor of fair Windows.

Fucking pathetic. Anybody running Windows today is a fucking retard, full stop.

>>60359451
/thread

>>60361518
Why do hospitals charge so much then?

>>60359795
Eat a dick ciafag.

>>60359380
Foreigners need to shut up and fuck off about UK affairs.

These foreign subhumans must remember that it was a brave Briton who saved the world from this pathetic malware.

>>60359406
QNX

>>60359451
>>60359493
they should force the manufacturers to give them the SOURCE CODE of both, drivers and programs that use said drivers...
that sounds like, uhm, something called "GPL"

>>60359490
shut the fuck up, you retard. the real problem is microsoft, period.

>>60359380
The NHS was using fucking XP. The government are choking it for money, so the last thing they'll be wanting to do is to cough up millions to update a system that was working, especially not with the junior doctors being whiney little cunts about their pay.
The problem here wasn't the fact the system was windows, it's the fact that it's outdated and they had no money to update it.

>>60375637
This. The GPL or a compatible license should be mandatory for all software rated for human life, just for verification purposes. You bet your ass the US military has source level access to Windows, but most people don't, and so FOSS is the way to go.

>>60375637
>>60375836
bump

>>60375148
>Foreigners need to shut up and fuck off about UK affairs.
Ok Mohammed, got it. Aloha snackbar, queen, hallal fish & chips to you too. Toodles.

>>60360914
Hospital IT people aren't even cleared to touch a lot of that shit, even if it does hook to the network.

If your MRI machine needs a system update you're supposed to fly some asshole in from the Bay Area to do it.

>>60359380

The problem is shitty IT departments who spend all of their time jacking off to furry porn and not having a rigorous security protocol

>>60377707
IT departments could jack off to furry porn with a proper security protocol. Everyone's just too lazy to set up a proper one and want to get back to their furry porn and only fix things as fast as possible and not to fix them right so that they don't need to fix their broken system as much as they have been.

>>60368377
>XIX

Fuck you

>>60359478
best doesn't imply good

>>60377928
right. because ppl will juts buy shit.

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>>60377943
Not any more.

>>60377972
what is this graph even showing?

>>60378175
desktop operating system market share

>>60378175
How shitty the OS is.

>>60378230
source? i don't believe those statistics at all

>>60378252
>this chart bothers the shills

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>>60378309
>anyone who disagrees with me is a shill

t. gentoo user

>>60359869
Update on the Customer Support Agreement for Windows XP

Government Technology Team, 22 May 2015 — Technology Leaders

Last April Microsoft ended the support of several of its products, including Windows XP. We decided then to put in place a one off, one year Custom Support Agreement (CSA) to give departments time to identify replacement software and to migrate away from these products. All departments have had seven years warning of the 2014 end of normal support and this one year agreement was put together with the support of Technology Leaders to give everyone a chance to get off XP.

The Technology Leaders met last month and took a collective decision to not extend the support arrangement for 2015. The current support agreement ended in April 2015.

There has been good progress in moving away from Windows XP across departments and government organisations and with many public bodies this transition is complete.

We expect most remaining government devices using Windows XP will be able to mitigate any risks, using the CESG guidance. Where this is not possible, they may need to review their own short term transition support.

https://governmenttechnology.blog.gov.uk/2015/05/22/update-on-the-customer-support-agreement-for-windows-xp/

>>60362205
One IT contractor said he was pushed out of his permanent job by institutionalised bullying. He said, "I was given meaningless tasks, unsolvable problems, put at a desk in the farthest corner of the office facing a wall, excluded from meetings, and had development plans removed. The HR performance measurement process was used to 'prove' the point that I was a failure."

He added, "There is a culture of cronyism, protectionism and jobs for the boys that is institutionalised. It is so deep-rooted I doubt it can be resolved."

NHS I.T.

>>60378495
Not anyone, sweetie, just you.