Microsoft: An Open Source Windows Is ‘Definitely Possible’

what's the point anyway? you can just use wine or run windows in a vm if you really need it these days. they probably won't open source directx, and even if they do, probably wouldn't improve the vulkan + driver situation on linux enough

windows is losing either way, and microsoft is aware

>>60331454
>Fuchsia OS
>Windows (maybe) going FOSS

Linux is literally kill

>>60331503
nigger are you complaining about open sourcing windows?

>>60331524
Freetards are actually just loonix fanboys

>>60331454
they won't

>>60331503
Because Windows is a better OS than GNU/Linux.

>>60331524
it's mostly pointless at this point

>>60331565
nope. you're just too stupid to learn how to use it. the only thing windows has over linux is gpu drivers and legacy code, but like i said earlier, legacy code is no longer an issue, for the most part

How will they make any money when people remove the spyware and forced updates?

>>60331454
well sure, and hydrogen powered cars becoming the norm by 2010 was "definitely possible" back in the day.

Microshill isn't going to do anything Open Source friendly. ever.

>>60331565
objectively false
it simply has better driver and application support

oWo

Are they going open source because nobody at their company can read decade's old spaghetti code anymore?

>>60331454
Just wait. "Open Source Windows" will mean that they will open source some meaningless components in a restrictive license.
Also, most importantly, the most important parts won't be open sourced but they will be a binary blob you will just have to compile in.
Wouldn't want to worry you by exposing you to telemetry.cpp, would we?

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>>60331454
>GNU/Windows is a possibility
I love this timeline.

>>60331454
not free software

>>60331582
They make it "open source" as in "you can look at the code but don't do anything else with it"

>>60331578
What about the millions of windows only third party apps

>>60331578
No! Open sourcing is never pointless you fucking retarded tripfag piece of shit go fucking kill yourself for fuck sake god damnit fuck I hate you. FUCK!

>>60331512
>forcing Windows to go full open-source is a failure
What fucking universe are you from? This is a victory in every possible respect.

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>M$ being so desperate for a comeback they are trying to do non-M$ stuff

>>60331512
>>60331620
what a time to be alive

>>60331625
That's already how it works today actually. Some big customers (eg, banks with huge enterprise support contracts and many tens of thousands of licenses) can sign an NDA and inspect the source. (or rather have security and auditing types look at it for them) They don't get to modify it or build it themselves though.

So "open source" in a way, but certainly not free software. If they ever GPL windows or any significant component thereof, I'll eat my hat.

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>>60331620
>possibility
GNU/NT is already a thing

Open source is communist cuckoldry. The free market needs proprietary software to compete.

>>60331697
are you serious?

>>60331454
It's "possible" but it's not going to happen.

World peace is "possible" but that's also not going to happen.

They are not about to let you and your family look at the Windows source code. Sorry, this is just bad bait.

>>60331454
>yfw telemetry is a blob

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>>60331454
>the future of software is "open source"
>open source
stallman gonna be mad

>>60331618
This. The majority of apple's OS is open source

>>60331454
this kills ReactOS

>>60331674
For us, yes. Not for Linux though. It will become redundant

>>60331706
why would you compete when you can cooperate?

>>60331747
I don't have to pay for ReactOS

>>60331652
b-but muh wine!

>>60331618
Free market you whiny commie, I would use windows with telemetry that works rather than linux that doesn't work.

>>60331734
>stallman gonna be mad

Who?

>>60331747
I mean they could still continue developing it, they'd just have to merge a bunch of crap and come up with something that makes them different enough from mainline.

>>60331652
Microsoft themselves are phasing out all those third party apps.

The obvious question is: Why would they do this? I don't use Windows myself but my understanding is that almost everyone who does so has a few key programs or games that they rely on which don't work or don't work well on GNU/Linux.

I have no idea what they are thinking with Windows 10S but that's where they are heading: Third party apps only for high-paying corporate clients who will probably have to apply and a crippled Windows App Store only version for the average "consumer". I really don't understand how they expect that to fly but this is what they are doing.

>>60331454
>FOSS windows
Kek. I'll believe it when I see it

>>60331781
your (secret) uncle

>>60331747
they will just have do what they usually do, have 1 guy who doesnt work for them officially read some code, explain how it works and then have their devs try and replicate it.

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>>60331706
free software already competes
just look at people sperging about torrent clients or music players or browsers or window managers or even distros
even vim/emacs (though I think vim won that one)

>>60331454
>Possible
just not very likely.

>windows becomes open sauce
>freetards switch to it
>5 years later MS decides to close source again
>freetards have to use some shitty version without developers or switch to proprietary
:^)

>>60331454
They forgot to add the part: "but only if someone leaks the code"

>>60331777
The tech companies are coercive monopolies that violate the fundamental principles of free market capitalism. The problem is the federal government's anti trust laws are completely defanged. In a truly free and open marketplace windows would never be able to compete with Linux or any unixlike operating system.

>>60331758
open sores magically fixes everything amirite?

Bacon sriracha nutella nharwalXDD

toodles!

>>60331848
Don't like windows don't use it.

>>60331804
OSS, not FOSS. The way of the future is the death of free software and corporate co-option of open source.

>>60331867
I don't.

>>60331822
But didn't you listen to this guy? FOSS is bad communism! How is that not a convincing argument?

>>60331798
They probably believe at this point that they can do whatever they want and people will buy it anyways. I hope they're wrong.

>>60331798
I don't think that's the way they heading They made 10S to appease computer illiterates whom just want a stable OS as simple as possible. They will never implement such restrictions for the main line.

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>>60331777
stallman doesn't deserve to be the sticky post on this board, ESR does, but these stupid socialist fucks wouldnt know better

>>60331747
>this kills ReactOS
ReactOS is already dead. They are basically still trying to create a Windows XP clone and when you read about their bullshit progress it's things like "We now have parallel port printing working!".

Seriously, that OS is dead in the water.

Let's just say some miracle happens and they magically get millions and millions in funding from some government or whatever and they are able to hire hundreds of developers who code hard for 6 months and we get something that's actually usable and working. Let's just pretend that this is possible and happens.

Would you go right ahead and use a Windows XP clone today? That project was relevant when they started out but now it's just irrelevant.

>>60331558
this

damn /g/ is fucking retarded, sage this shit

Wait... if windows become open source, does it mean someone can make the Linux kernel run with the Windows graphic manager ? so that finally Linux won't look like shit ?

I mean XFCE is kind of nice for being basic, but KDE and Gnome both suck ass compared to Windows or iOS

>>60331928
/g/ is becoming a windows board, people with real technology experience are replacing lincuckoldry.

>>60331848
these stupid gnu fuckers want their OS protected by law to protect them against other laws like DRM. they are incapable of understanding their hypocrisy

>>60331867
what is your iq level? how long were you in special ed for?

>>60331454
It's obviously possible. That doesn't really mean anything.

>>60331973
Nothing wrong with DRM commie shithead.

>>60331957
poo in the loo, rajeesh

>>60331931
Neither of the distros are more advanced than Windows XP though.

>>60331995
reading comprehension. where did I say drm was bad? I said gnu idiots want laws to protect them from drm.

>>60331867
People don't know anything else.
You can't dislike something if you have nothing else to compare it to.
The only ones who know about Linux are tech oriented people and most of them are gamer kids or people who are too used to Windows to try and learn anything else.

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>mfw replacing everything stupid Microsoft does with open source components while keeping compatibility with Windows programs

>>60331951
There is already UKUI to people who like the windows 7 look.

>>60331578

If several systems can do the same things but one requires you to learn more stuff in order to do them, then that's the inferior one. Don't delude yourself.

>>60331973
>laws like DRM
EULAs aren't laws, they're contracts. And most EULA contracts get thrown out in court.

>>60332046
>EULAs aren't laws, they're contracts. And most EULA contracts get thrown out in court.
yes, I know. typing fast, typo

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>No one even asks for a source

>>60332032
I do not even know where to start to learn how to do most of the stuff I know on windows

>>60332032
Your black and white worldview is hilarious

>Instant macaroni and professional cooking both feed you but macaroni is easier so it's better
>Not even considering the concept of "pros and cons"

>>60331928
Fuck off, Raymond. You're the Eduard Bernstein of the free software movement.

>>60332071
>what is the big ass WIRED logo
$100 says your IQ is single-digit

>>60332089
Joke's on you motherfucker, my IQ is 23.

>>60332071
https://www.wired.com/2015/04/microsoft-open-source-windows-definitely-possible/
literally 1st result by typing headline into Google btw

>>60332084
free software movement is a cult, and stallman himself contradicts himself within minutes when he speaks.

>>60331454
>implying this would make desktop linux pointless
One of the main advantage of distros is that they aren't merely a DOS WM that consists of spaghetti code and has been modernized with duct tape and bubble gum. Shitty code will still be continue to be shitty if you open source it. This >>60331618 is also very likely.
This would greatly improve WINE though.

>>60332017
Throw freetards out of helicopters to protect proprietary software.

>>60332074

Nice strawman faggot. No wonder a fat imbecile who compares OSes to food would be triggered by someone saying the truth about GNU/Linux. The only advantage free (as in freedom) stuff has is that it doesn't cost money; that's it. For every single other possible case, Windows will always be better. Even if you wanted a server of some kind, Windows servers makes it easy for normal people and it works great; it wouldn't be an overstatement to say that Windows server is superior to using free OSes, but in real life companies have to save that $.

>>60331995
>There's nothing wrong with corporations dictating what calculations I can perform on a machine that I own.

This is the power of capitalism.

I won't APOLOGIZE until they make Open Source Windows true

>>60331865
No but it's a step in the right direction. And don't @ me again if you're only going to speak in memes

>>60332129
>This would greatly improve WINE though.
no it would not.
Wine devs would not be allowed to look at the source since it would still be under a restrictive license

and even if they did, it would be some meaningless component that wine already does better.

>>60332217
It won't matter when all Windows software is distributed in encrypted Windows Store packages.

>>60332185

There's nothing wrong with corporations dictating what calculations you can perform on a machine that you own using the software that they own. If you don't like it be a capitalist and develop your own OS, dumb commie bitch.

>>60331995
nothing wrong with DRM technology, but legal enforcement of DRM technology is a state-sponsored monopoly

anyone who ostensibly believes in the free market and supports "intellectual property" i.e., monopoly law is a fucking cuck

@>>60332198
Use you're branes,moran
Windoozerooni is gonna be sheite regardless if its OS(open source) softwarez.
Kid.

>>60331454
Can you provide a source?

>>60332260
state-sponsored monopolies are called patents.

>>60331454
Microsoft just has to switch to the MIT license so they can let other people do the work for them and they can still turn a profit.

>04.03.15

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>>60332263
>>60332121
>2015.
Well, there's something going on this week, that's for sure.

>>60332158
Linux tards can't even manage driver support.

>>60332247
>develop your own OS
But don't release it for free, right?

Sieze the means of computation, now shoo, you have DMCA takedowns to issue.

>>60332158
>The only advantage free (as in freedom) stuff has is that it doesn't cost money; that's it.
That's wrong, though. IIRC, it actually cost HTC more to sell Android devices compared to Windows Phone.

>>60332296
>the NWO is oppressing the linux board

>>60332296
Fuck off you mentally ill communist

>freetards get what they want
>can now work on windows (for free)
LMAOOOOOO
HERE WE GO BOIZ
ALL THOSE YEARS YOU WASTED ON UBUNTU~~~~

>>60332247
>If you don't like it be a capitalist and develop your own OS, dumb commie bitch.

Or you can just use software that everyone owns, aka FOSS.

>>60331454
>definitely possible

Well yeah the source exists somewhere in digital form, the internet allows you to distribute data for almost free, and microsoft definitely has access to the internet.

My bet is MS releases the code after they realize they can no longer make money off of it. Desktops and laptops being replaced by tablets and phones. Windows for whatever reason hasn't become a major force in these new devices. It's pretty late in the game to change this. Eventually there won't be enough users to harvest enough marketable data to pay for the development costs.

The source will probably get dumped like Quake and other video games when they're no longer profitable. That or it will get leaked like older versions of Windows. At that point nobody will care.

>>60332137
>Throw freetards
Manlets can't lift obese neckbeards.

>>60331706

Not really. It definitely leads professional industries, but for the average normie consumer open source is not only perfectly competitive, it's often already winning.

Firefox and Chrome combined basically own internet browsers (even on mobile) and both (Chromium base in Chromes case) are open source.

Most used music software outside iTunes is open source. Anyone with sense torrents with one of many popular open source clients like Deluge, qBittorrent, etc. Anyone with sense doing basic video converting at home (not editing) is likely using Handbrake or another ffmpeg front end like Vidcoder.

Open source software is a GREAT thing, don't be a fucking sperg. I'm not even an open source shill, my most used software for hobbies and work are Adobe suite (Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere), 3DS Max, Maya, ZBrush, Substance Designer and Painter, Keyshot and others. All closed source, monolithic industry software packages.

Open sources best aspect is the nature of smaller scale things that you want to be lightweight. Whenever I need something simple like convert a file, maybe GUI edit my PATH for simplicity, open a file type that I have no regular software for (recently had to work with databases and csv files personally) I always head to an open source solution for it.

Just look at it this way. You want to download a youtube video? Well you can go grab some shifty as hell closed source software that looks like it was made by the biggest Rajeesh in Pajeetville, you can download one of those half baked browser extensions (then get worried when it's requesting full access to everything) or you go and get youtube-dl, a light as hell, perfect solution to your needs.

>>60332601
I love you anon.

>>60332247
That isn't capitalism, it's anarcho capitalism. Companies shouldn't be allowed to use monopoly power to coerce you into signing a restrictive contract in a regulated free market.

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>>60331454
An apology from anon is 'definitely possible', but first he will need access to all of the source code (bootloader and all), as well as an open source community fork that removes all bloatware, ads, and spying.

>>60331454
old news are old

>>60331586

>Microshill isn't going to do anything Open Source friendly. ever.
Then why have they open sourced .NET?

>>60331718
He's probably referring to reactos.

>>60332217
I know that and it would still be beneficial for WINE developers. They wouldn't get to outright copy windows' source code but they would be able to imitate it a lot better as they would have seen how microsoft has implemented certain things.

>>60331454
> take windows source
> remove botnet
> remove bloat
> add many of the good features linux has(drivers in the kernel, package manager, support for even buttplugs)
> zfs default filesystem
> give it a windows 98 makeover
> Already a superior compeditor to both windows and linux
> start selling(because you can sell with opensource for those who don't know)
> Microsoft goes bankrupt

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>>60332847
>zfs on desktop

>>60332834
they literally can not see the source code because of copyright issues
development is clean-room, and anyone who has worked on or seen microsoft-code, even leaked code, can not contribute to at least certain components of wine

https://wiki.winehq.org/Clean_Room_Guidelines

>>60332847
>drivers in the kernel
Lots of drivers of NT already run in kernel mode, moron. You don't wan't that.

>>60332935
Pretty sure my gpu does not have any drivers when i install it and every time i plug in something new i have to wait for windows to install it

>>60331454
OPEN SOURCE =/= FREE SOFTWARE

>>60333023
Newbie here. What do these terms mean and what's the difference?

>>60331454
Who cares if it's open-source; It's not gonna be free.

>>60331454
Calling bullshit.

>>60333043
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

>>60333075
I'll read that in a moment. Thanks.

>>60331454
ofc it's possible. windows nt4 / 2k are already open source.
thats the reason we know how bad the windows sourcecode is

>>60333023
This

>>60333112
partially and already useless

>>60332985
You are confusing things. You want more drivers included by default in Windows.

>>60333188
since most windows exploits effect all windows versions i'm sure they still use the same source. there were a shitton of bugs effecting windows xp up to windows 8.1 and windows 2k just wasn't listed because it wasn't supported anymore, but they still effected 2k, so ....

>>60331454
Losing my viginity is "Definitely Possible" aswell, but I don't see that happening either.

>possibility
I'll believe it when I see it

>>60331734
autistic flesh-eating useless complaining ugl fat shit with no hygene only people like him care about.

>>60331781
>>60333360
>>60331734

>>60331503
>windows in a vm
That doesn't make it free

>>60332777
embrace, extend, extinguish

I mean lets get real for a moment. You install windows 10 in about 45 minutes and for most linuxes its about the same but remember. Biggest base linuxes are about 1 gigabytes or 2 while windows 10 can be more than 5 gigabytes of data. And what happens when you open them. On linux there are about 2 functional buttons, 3 are nonfunctional and in those two buttons there are some pictures to play with. Maybe slide down or up. On windows though, you feel like a god. Its professional its fast, its all functional. You have a godlike user interface. The thing that linux does not have. You have those two buttons in linux, but you still search google for codes to write in terminal. Linux is free because its not worth a penny. Nobody would sell a paper without taking the money. Just not sure why people still buy android while windows phone does 10 times more. Trust me. When you work with windows you know some genius ground breaker dedicated himself to give you an operational os

>>60331512
Idunno about FOSS, is POSS a thing?

>>60331578
>pointless
T.virgin who cant code n has no job

>>60331512
>I've literally never worked in a real production environment, the post

If you think Linux is going anywhere just because MS might open up their bloated shitty server OS, you're a retard.

>>60331931
The fast performance of Windows XP with the compatibility of applications and DX11 that newer Windows versions have?
I'd use it RIGHT FUCKING AWAY.

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>>60333425
The shilling has never been more obvious.

>>60331931

You are being a Negative Nancy.

#1 printing is a huge stack within windows. They fleshed out that entire stack. So you can File->Print. What handles that stream of bytes is such a tiny problem and will be fixed with the rest of usb.

#2 Hell yeah I'd use it. Fuck that bitch ass company Microsoft. I'm an oldfag. I have spent years tracking shit software with just a different batch of bugs from that company. Fuck them. Hard. I have only odds and ends that need a windows of some sort. Every release reactOS get noticeably better, and most releases I test the few windows programs I need against it. No shit, I expect within a year everything I need will run fine.

You ask about Wine? Wine is a hack. They don't try to do an exact re-implementation, just whatever is good enough to get an app going. ReactOS is going to be a bug for bug re-implementation of windows. A very different beast from Wine.

Even if Microsoft did release a free windows, I would always want to use the ReactOS version. At some point it will be a better windows than windows, in the same way Linux is a better 'unix' than unix.

And I am not even a developer for ReactOS.

>>60331680

Literally this.

I can't wait until a good debloated windows fork without all of the privacy concerns.

This wouldn't change a bit about proprietary third party applications of course.

>>60331454
>possible
doesnt mean they'll do it, dummy

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>>60331758
We will just see the clusterfucker windows is, and no one will want to use this shit.

>>60334369
>that image
Discarded.

>>60332347
>>60332399
I didn't make any claims about """" them "" "". Don't put words into my mouth. And communist? Really? For not wanting to be a prisoner in your own home and let your OS use you?

Why doesn't some sick hacker just hack into the network at Redmond at steal the windows source code?

>>60331655
>t. Newfag
That's not a trip newfam

>>60331503
Desktop thread?

>>60334369
With the entire source code, WINE and ReactOS would be near-perfect and we'd never have to even touch Windows again, even for gaming. It would be fucking incredible.

>>60331454
Two possibilities from this.
Microsoft releases it under a license that prevents it from being Free Software. The world moves on with basically nothing changing.
Microsoft releases it under a proper Free license, all the APIs are reimplemented on top of a better base, the world switches and everything moves on.

With Windows 10 S looming now I can't see them doing anything meaningful that would hasten the collapse of their monopoly.

>>60335010
Or they release Windows 3.1 as FLOSS and troll everyone into oblivion.

>>60335073
Given FreeDOS already exists that probably wouldn't be very useful.

I guess I could see them releasing the win32 code under a suitably permissive license so they can drop it and let other companies support it as they abandon their old code.
But then they'd be taking the same risk that Intel did with Itanium, going all-in with a new thing you control more completely while risking that the old thing you're trying to shift away from could come back to bite you.

>>60331454
>tfw you will see linux get eternally BTFO in your lifetime

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>>60331503

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tfw you will see millions of lines of unreadable pajeet enterprise AbstractSingletonBeanFactorized code in your lifetime

>>60331454
they said this years ago and its not true what so ever. They'll never let up on their bottom line

>>60336237
you can do that right now check out any linux project that linus himself isn't fully commanding

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>>60331927
>They will never implement such restrictions for the main line.

Nothing in the world of corporate giants actually follows "they would never" rules. Here is what will happen:
>Windows 10S costs OEMs less money per-license than normal Windows does
>(keep in mind that OEMs are the only ones who actually pay money for Windows, since everyone tech-savvy enough to actually install an OS also knows how to use Google and find out about the Accessibility workaround)
>overnight, every desktop and laptop other than $1200 "ultrabooks" ships with Windows 10S because the OEM manufacturers want to save money on the Microsoft tax
>the target audience for crappy mainstream laptops is incapable of understanding why they would have to pay more to (((upgrade))) to use normal Windows apps (to be fair I don't understand why I would ever do that either)
>suddenly, non-corporate third party apps have no market
>Windows is dead to everyone except your grandma
>Macs are too expensive for any home users who don't already have them, and Linux lacks the marketing budget to reach normalfags
>ChromeOS suddenly rules the world

>>60331454
Apologize? For what? I never bashed Microsoft because Windows was closed source.

>>60333023
/thread

>>60333425
you install any linux, configure, in 20% of the time of win 10

>>60334998
You're forgetting Windows's source is *allegedly* a clusterfuck and Microsoft is probably going to make the code as unreadable as possible to avoid exactly this from happening; besides, how many lines of code do you think Windows has? I mean, it is ~4 GB. Understanding that code is gonna be a nightmare; using it to do anything useful, impossible.

>>60333425
eventually your machine will be bricked, or you'll be staring at a screen which says "updating", when you have work to do .. windows 10 isn't the tool to chose

it's not a tool at all

>>60336714
Are you underestimating the autists?

Windows 7 is literally perfect.

>>60336714
Considering how far both WINE and ReactOS have come without any access to the Windows source it will probably greatly improve their speed. Even if is a clusterfuck, it is better than nothing.

[Proprietary Blobs intensifies]
[Embrace extend extinguish intensifies]
[Poo intensifies]

I want to see their tracing code because graph theory

Kind of unrelated but why are FOSS shills fucking retarded and terrible at any sort of planning, and then lie about good design when pressed for bad choices.

For example, when pressed about whether they can improve Blender's UI the devs said that good software design integrates UI in such a way that you can't change it without dramatically alter the functionality (the features) of the program. What the fuck? That's not good design at all.

Of course it's "possible", that doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

>>60331454
I'll apologize when I see it with my own eyes

>>60331512
open source does not mean free as in freedom, it means naked as a slut but you can't do shit to her (unless it is stated otherwise)

>>60333023
This. Even of they do open source it, it won't be free.

This kind of reminds me of apple's failed attempt to get the free software communitie's favour with their Darwin distribution. It just didn't catch on because it was obvious that Apple only really gave a shit about OS X and wanted free labour for it.

>>60331512
windows going foss would only mean linux could make all windows software compatible with it rendering windows compleately useless. So at most it could go open source, but never free (as in freedom). And even so it would make the compatability doable.
And fuchsia will probably never see the light of day and if it does it is DOA as a microkernel dosent make any sense out of the server market.

>>60331838
Freetards as the name implies want foss not oss

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>>60338031
This.

>>60338687
I think a microkernel would be great for embedded and mobile devices. Properly made, it would provide great security and stability. I still prefer the hybrid design of XNU above everything else currently available, even if it is a clusterfuck.

>>60338687
>And fuchsia will probably never see the light of day

Don't doubt Google and their resources. They want everybody to use a fully developed in-house Google OS (down to the kernel) running on Google provided internet services, relying on baked-in Google services. This is their end game, and I wouldn't be surprised if they achieve it.

Who knows, maybe in 20-30 years it will all be done on Google made hardware.

The botnet is just getting started

>>60331928
That's not his wife...

>>60331586
selling support?
works for rhel, suse/novell,..
sure most see them as failure but they are still milking the enterprise cashcow and dont have a single reason to complain

>>60331454
>Microsoft makes their OS OpenSource
>Pajeets have made the code an unreadable mess.

They realised that .NET monopoly is far more convenient than Windows monopoly.

>>60331543
> Implying FOSS = OSS

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* microsoft-sama, please kill linux *
* microsoft-sama, please kill linux *
* microsoft-sama, please kill linux *

The term "open source" was created by a group of people that did not want to be associated with the free software movement. When I say "free" software (which is one of the alternatives preferable to "open source"). It's not about price; in that case I would say "gratis", or "free as in free beer". It's about "freedom"! This is what the free software movement is fighting for.
So what is "free" software? Free software is any software that guarantees the user the four essential software freedoms:
> 0. Run the program as you wish.
> 1. Study the source code and change it so it does what you wish.
> 2. Redistribute exact copies of the program.
> 3. Distribute your modified version of the program.
Some people decided that they wanted to restrict the user; but being able to study and modify the "open source" code is not enough! This is directly hurting the cause of the free software movement because it takes away the sociological "freedom" aspect of free software and turns it into a technological one.
So for those reasons I ask that in the future you use the terms "free", "free/libre" or, if necessary "FLOSS" (short for "free/libre and open source"), though the latter should still be avoided.

>>60331687
What's the point of being able to see the source code when you can't build it yourself with trusted tools in order to verify that the binary is exactly what the source code says it should be? They can inject anything into the binary with their own compiler.

>>60341948
>when you can't build it yourself with trusted tools
Except you can. You can't, however, modify the source and publish any versions of it, modified or not.

>>60333479
>he doesn't know the difference between libre and gratis

>>60331454
They need to make it open source because their actual developers are garbage.

>>60331454
>Definitely Possible
So is Sir Elton John going back in the closet or Hillary winning 2020.

I'll believe it when I see it.

>>60331503
>what's the problem? I can already run any Windows software by using the buggy piece of shit that is wine, it's not like it doesn't work most of the time haha
>or I can just waste more resources to run a VM on top of my anime OS so I can make things more complicated and act cool on my anonymous mongolian puppet show forum

>Windows is losing
says increasingly nervous man for the third time this month

>article from 2015

Gee I wonder who could have posted this, just as MS unveils it's new UI.

>rape 100 kids
>"free candies for kids is definitely possible"

>>60331454
God I wish it would happen. Imagine the glorious spyware free forks you would get within weeks. Imagine the perfect linux compatibility! Sadly it never actually will happen, but it sure would be great.

Open source doesn't mean free.
You might be able to look at the source code but the license they use will determine whether or not you are able to freely distribute copies/modified copies of their operating system. I suspect it is going to end up being "locked source". Meaning "You can look but you can't touch"

>>60342517
This

>>60331454
ReactOS devs literally on suicide watch

Microsoft are putting their eggs in the Azure basket. They would never open source Windows 10, more likely some ARM version or IoT shit

>>60331454
First of all, sauce

Second of all, this isn't going to kill anything. This will only spur the advancement of other operating systems.

>>60331916
They can, the whole Windows 10 debacle proved it.

>>60331706
No, it's perfectly fine in a capitalist society. If people want to use their intellectual and labor capital to make shit that's publicly available, modifiable, and free, that's their prerogative. Such a product then saves many headaches and lots of money in terms of licensing and flexibility, allowing for companies to make their workflows more efficient and thus more profitable.

>>60331454
Can't happen because of patents. Unless they wait for them to fade away or do something new which then won't matter because it can't run your old apps.

If you defend microsoft in any way, you are a street shitting pajeet and you need to kys

>>60343687
Actually no that's not how that works. They can still open source windows regardless of patents. However, this just doesn't mean it would be FOSS, they would still ultimately have full control.

tldr stop confusing os with foss

>>60331454
Of course it's possible. It won't ever happen though unless they develop some completely new version from scratch and make that OSS. They won't ever release XP, 7 or any of those versions as OSS. Its such a huge mess bet they couldn't even keep record of all the licenses each code blob uses.

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>>60331454
They'll do like Apple and pull the plug on their own OS, reducing it to a couple of libs on another.

They'll just set up some tidbits on top of Linux.

>>60331678
Yea I bet they're desperate to have more than 97% market share

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>>60331454
this will never happen for the sheer fact that other programmers will laugh at how inbread and inefficient windows code is, windows would never be taken seriously again

>>60344297
More like they'll open source just the core parts where you can get a bare minimal windows installed and the important stuff like directx or their telemetry will be kept proprietary.

>>60344297
if programmers actually cared about how inefficient code is, 98% of open source projects wouldn't exist
fact is: they dont

Nobody wants to know how badly maintained the Winblows source code is.

>>60331454
that's not going to happen

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>>60332899
Posting from it now.
Muh ECC is a huge meme as it's orders of magnitude safer than traditional filesystems.

But for the average user, yes it's complicated, and they shouldn't be using it on grandma's laptop.

>>60331454
>tfw no open source for all versions of windows
>tfw no community backporting of all security updates to previous versions of Windows
>tfw no taking out MS bullshit
>tfw no adding a package manager to Windows

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, winshills have nothing on Linux.

Open source windows as you know it would never happen. What you might get is a crippled open source MS product that is compatible with some modern Windows components. It's still something

>>60331592
Therefore, it's a better OS.

>>60331822
Sure, they compete and fragment the whole ecosystem.

>>60346668
or open sourcing the whole NT kernel.

>>60331454
Hahaha, oh anon. Microsoft will never actually do this. They're going to play along with it like they did with PDF and ODT, making you need their latest proprietary crap to get anything remotely proper done.

>>60331680
Loonix - 0
Glorious Windows - 1

>>60331578
Linux is poorly architected. There. I said it. The kernel is a fucking mess. The community can't decide on what to do ever. There's a thousand ways to deploy. Dependency resolution works, until it doesn't (and good fucking luck then). The driver situation is still depressing after like 15 years. I could go on.

Windows isn't perfect but holy shit is it better designed for usability. Once Microsoft finally lets go of win32 and the registry Windows will unironically be better designed than Linux in every way.

>>60347683
>registry
at least it's better than scattering config files over the whole filesystem.

>>60347731
It should probably turn into a real database with per user/application role based permissions and a dead simple API. They have SQL Server so why not just use a pared down version of that that on the backend.

I'd be fucking hype if they decided to phase out the legacy registy in favor of such a thing.

>>60331706
This. Windows 10 becoming open source would unironically make it the best open source project created. That's how pathetic the scene is.

>>60331454
>weird angle
>blurred sneak pic
oh the edge

all these lintards, but until i can play quake championship on Linux i dont care

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>>60331565

>>60347252
and proprietary software like foobar/torrent clients/browsers/compilers/drivers do not?

>>60331503
you sound like you're new to /g/
back to /v/

>>60349945
>macfag
>/v/