Was Windows 10 the reason you left for Linux?

>>60309799
Yes, but i am going to need it for school because the Finnish school system is complete trash.

Yes.

>forced updates
>botnet
>bloated

Might have to go.back for.my networking class tho

>>60309799
Yup

>Kiss your password goodbye

I would have thought a RAT got through and I would have formatted that sucker on the spot. What was Microsoft thinking?

>>60309799
Pretty much. I've never felt less in control of my pc. Still dual boot for games and if I need to use a certain program.

>>60309799
Ayy, that image can not be real. I refuse to believe there's so much stupidity into one single OS.

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Essentially, yeah. Installed Ubuntu a while back on top of Windows 7, not looking back one bit.

Had Xubuntu for a long time on my laptop before this and had dual booted on my desktop before, but this was the last straw.

>>60309799
Well i had linux before windows 10.

I still have a windows partition but i don't use it at all

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>>60309799
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60309799
I use neither 10 nor Linux and also I'm not gay. What's my secret you ask...

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I swear it's like Windows feels pressure to ruin their OS every time they make it better.

>implement bash on Windows
>oh fuck that's TOO GOOD, better make the OS an autoupdating, candycrush installin', piece of shit

>>60310036
>lmao, better open my text file of lame copy pasta and post it itt

>kiss your password goodbye
Like I ever needed one on Windows.

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>>60309799
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Windows, is in fact, NSA/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, NSA plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another locked down component of a fully functioning NSA system made useful by the NSA corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by the government.
Many computer users run a modified version of the NSA system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of NSA which is widely used today is often called “Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NSA system, developed by the NSA.

There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows is normally used in combination with the NSA operating system: the whole system is basically NSA with Windows added, or NSA/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” versions are really versions of NSA/Windows

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>>60310036

No, but only because I switched to linux before windows 10 came out.

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God I'm trying to leave windows but I keep getting pulled back for software compatibility, music bee, and gay men. I could probably deal with the first and the third, but I just don't enjoy any of the software Linux has to offer for music playback. Which is a shame because I like MPD but it's just so frustrating.

I can't stand the cutesy unprofessional tone Windows takes nowadays. It's not a Fisher Price toy, I don't need it to condescend to me.

>>60309799
no, i switched before windows 8 came out
good timing on my part, imo

>>60309799
we can call it the nail in the coffin but this train has been coming for a long time personally

>>60310202
Dude just use clementine

>>60309799
I'm still on Windows 10™. Linux on the desktop is a fucking sick nightmare experience.

yes.

I am only a Windows user because I never had enough money to buy the Mac I wanted to enjoy glorious computing promised land of macOS. I have a couple of very nice ThinkPads and while I love the hardware, Lenovo have been fucking up and not doing what they could.

Imagine if Lenovo made a custom Linux distro to run on their laptops. Apple would finally have some real professional competition.

>>60309823
no you dont

>>60309799
Honestly yes. The only times I used Linux before were purely for school work and testing out various distros. The last straw was probably when Windows update managed to simultaneously break grub and the Windows GPU drivers. Now Linux is my daily driver and I just use Windows occasionally for muh games.

>>60310242
I'm not big on the UI for clementine. I think it's kind of ugly (although certainly better than a lot of things), but I like to browse my library by an album cover grid (or artist grid)

I like Cantata, it's certainly my favorite MPD frontend. But Musicbee just tickles my fancy much better than the others

>>60310250
>>60310270
>>60310284
GNU/Linux*

fucking computer illiterates

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>>60309799
Ads in 8.1 pro did it for me

I use to bother with dual booting, but after a forced update broke the boot record, I decided to completely abandon ship and never look back, been smooth sailing since

>>60309799
No. Linux was the reason i switched to Linux

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>>60310208

Yes and I have no regrets since I find Linux to be so much better. So personally... I'm kinda glad Microsoft fucked up so much or else I'd never have switched to Linux.

>>60309823
Tell me about it. I can hopefully uninstall Windows after my C#/WinForms course though.

>>60310494
GNU/Linux*

>>60309823
Why would you need it for school? What program runs on Windows that doesn't on Linux that you'll need?

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Windows 10 trashed my bios nand

I left Linux for Windows 10

>>60309799
Windows 8 was, actually.

>>60310550
kys

>>60309799
No. I blew my hackintosh by altering around with system files too much and didn't want to deal with the retarded hackintosh reinstall process, so I thought I give Linux a chance once again. That was back in 2012 or so.
I don't use Windows since 2006 or so.

>>60309799
Yes and the pectrum of problems shifted from privacy and usability to my tech illiteracy.
inb4 normie gtfo

>>60309799
no it was 8

>>60309799
i moved back in windows 8.
installed it, after 3 days i went for ubuntu and never went back.

>>60310532
literally everything.

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>>60310399
Ugh

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>>60310208
better?

>>60309799
I completely left before 8 was even released.

>>60309799
I still use Windows for my gaming rig but as for all my other devices including my laptop I use exclusively Linux. I have been using Linux now for 10 years.

i just still use windows 7

>>60310054
begging for attention, and yet u have a point

>>60309799
I left Windows for macOS on a Hackintosh because you still need to use CLI shit to do some things on Linux and then they may or may not work.

I'll give Linux another try when that stops being a thing but i doubt it'll ever happen.

>>60311267
>>60311074
GNU/Linux

>>60310298
Linux*

fucking computer illiterates

>>60311285
lunix

>>60309799

No.

I started using debian around '05. Most of the time I dual booted with windows xp or 7. I moved to Devuan after the systemd debacle.

I SAW THAT PICTURE ON REDDIT AS WELL!

If I could do passthrough with ryzen I would switch to Linux

>>60309799
Eh, sort of. I just felt like trying out Linux, and since dual booting was an option, I said "why not?" After trying it, I just stuck with it. Only thing I'm really missing out on is the random tool and games. Not that big a deal.

Yeah actually. I've been thinking of switching for a while, but 7 was comfy.

>>60309799
Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

That sounds preposterous to me.

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

>>60311576
>>60311522
>>60311582
GNU/Linux*

Linux is a kernel, used in the GNU system.

>>60310202
Use DeaDBeeF

No, although I did leave for Linux around the same time that 10 came out, but it just happened to work out that way.

Got introduced to Ubuntu in my first year of university, tried it as a dual-boot and I liked it so much that I made the switch completely. But after a dist-upgrade left me with a broken system (I know, should have just done a clean install), I decided to try something else.

I distro-hopped for a few months before finally landing on Arch, and it just stuck with me. Particularly pacman and yaourt. No more hunting for PPEs, just "yaourt programName" and 9 times out of 10 it will find the program in the AUR and do everything for me so I don't have to mess with it. Literally just works and I couldn't be happier, been using it for 2 years now.

Recently put Windows 10 in a virutalbox for Visual Studio. It's really not bad, but I just have no need for it as a daily operating system now. I'm perfectly happy with what I have.

>>60310532
Visual Studio, WinForms, .NET, Unity

Sure Mono and MonoDevelop run on Linux but they're just so ineffective compared to their Windows counterparts.

>>60311604
everyone on /g/ knows this. it's just easier to say and type linux.

>>60309799

Nope, I'm employed.

>>60311664
Yeah, I needed Visual Studio for my C# class. I was glad when that class was over. Windows development just isn't something I enjoy.

>>60309799
It's the reason why I stayed with linux. I installed Linux because a class I took required we compile our programs with g++. My computer ran significantly faster, quieter, and never recommended me software or forced me to do anything, so stuck with it.

>>60309799
I will probably switch when Linux supports my software.

>>60311267
the CLI is an essential tool for developers. It's like a window into your operating system. "user-friendly" GUIs just obfuscate and add unnecessary layers of complexity for certain things. If you did any kind of development, you would realize why even Windows developers have Ubuntu in a virtual machine or use the Bash subsystem (that kind of works but isn't quite there yet)

>>60309834
I thought packet tracer ran on Linux

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>>60309869
They didn't think any of it through

>>60311267
>I TRY TO GET A GUI BUT THE BLACK BOX MESS ME AHHH
fucking /v/tard computer illiterates. uncultured swine that can't appreciate the powerful simplicity of the terminal.

>>60311010
Using the bluescreen with a carat nose

>>60311779
>I USE APPS BY PROGRAMMERS TOO LAZY TO EVEN LEARN GTK OR QT AND THAT MAKES ME BETTER THAN OTHERS!

You are the reason people don't use linux, and don't take FOSS seriously

>>60311877
Not being able to greentext

>>60311667
speak for yourself, only stallman drones thinks it is called GNU

that is just a name some linux distributions choose to add to their distribution name

>>60310550
congrats

>>60311010
TOP LAL

>>60309823
>gets laptop good enough for the software i needed in school
>stuck using windows because almost all the teachers gets confused with anything not-windows (except one who has a dedicated pc on his home with Ubuntu)
>finally leaves school and decides to try Ubuntu on the laptop
>freezes randomly and cpu fan starts working like a jet turbine
>tries other distros, like manjaro, fedora, etc
>they all do the same
>do the bumblebee shit
>still the same

T-thanks Linux

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>>60309799
>not using windows 8.1
top kek
>pic unreleated or maybe a little bit releated

>>60311010
The funny thing is, there are some bsod that shows a QR code. When scanned, it sends you to a help page that does absolutely nothing to your problem other than the typical "restarting your pc might solve the problem". More useless than the Help program that was included in previous Windows versions

I don't want to make a new thread for this, but I was just checking my throwaway hotmail.com email, and what do I see on the very top of the screen? "Your recent search history" containing such gems as "amateur anal" and "teen ass mouth". This is from my bing searches, of course, which I only used a couple times to see what all the fuss was about. Somehow this is connected and saved to my hotmail account, even though I don't recall ever being logged in when I made these searches. My little brother uses this email sometimes as a throwaway too. Who knows if he ever noticed them at the top of the screen. I don't know why Microsoft keeps adding these features that nobody fucking wants.

>>60309799
It was Windows ME OP

>>60309799
I used debian way before but W10 made me really consider to use debian as main-OS. The day my pc breaks and W7 doesn't have all the drivers on a new pc is the moment I fully switch.

>>60309823
>Finnish school system
>complete trash

As an American I am jealous of the Finnish school system.

>>60309799
no. windows 8 was

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>downloaded win 10 ages ago (about January 2016)
>like the new default theme and some UI changes
>everything else is shit
>updates and metro and everything is total absolute fucking shit
>fucking updates without asking and shuts the fuck down and shits the bed all the time
>disabled automatic updates with 9000+ 3rd party apps and reghacks and shit
>haven't updated since then
>sitting on a win 10 build that is over a year old
>main reasons why I don't switch to Win8.1 are laziness and DX12
>with each passing day the urge to switch grows
>probably gonna install Win7, Win8.1, and Debian soon, and delete this W10 piece of shit

Windows 10 made me go to Linux.

Then Linux made me go back to Windows.

Rinse and repeat. Thank god for clonezilla.

no games

>>60309799
>Kiss your password goodbye
>: )

Is this what kids these days like? Being treated like infantile retards?

>>60309799
On my desktop I use Win10, but I'm going to have to migrate back to Linux as I keep getting a message my license is due to expire. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Slackware is what I use on my netbook, and will try Slackware ARM when I get my next Pi's.

>>60309799
It's the reason I stopped using Microsoft products at all with the exception of XP in a VM for one game that won't work in PlayOnLinux/Steam.

>>60310270
Mac OS X is not as good as advertised. The UI is consistent and looks nice but is a bitch to use. Nothing does what you expect it to do. The window controls do weird shit and you have to use the modifier key to make it behave normally. Even scrolling is backwards. If you get a Mac, expect to waste 5-6 hours tweaking every little thing just to make it usable.

And Lenovo doesn't need a custom distro. They just need to give people and option to buy laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled. It would cost them nothing and Ubuntu is compatible with a majority of GNU/Linux software.

>>60310535
How? Did you something retarded like run a BIOS update utility from within the OS and cancel it half way through? Also, that's not NAND.

>>60312431
Ahaha, AMD has no driver. I get it.

>>60314361
Some people are so incredibly stupid and autistic that they can't even remember a few different passwords in their heads. They're the kind of people who use Microsoft products, password managers, or even unencrypted text files on the desktop.

>>60309799
Yes, Windows 8 was already bad so I was hoping 10 would redeem for the inexcusable stunt the had pulled

>>60311689
I was glad when my fist C# class was over as well...

...just to find out there are four other C# classes waiting for me.

80% of the programming in my university is C#.

>>60309799
I'm still on Win 7, but I don't intend to move to Win 10. If my PC dies, I'll have to pirate Win 7 and hope I can activate it on a new PC. But that's just for the vidya/emulators I have.

For a daily driver I'll definitely switch to Linux, probably Mint or some such. Maybe dual-boot with GoboLinux since I like to play around with it. And that won't have to be a monster machine like a gaming rig would.

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>>60309799
I'm using Windows 10. It's fine just as long as you use powershell to uninstall all the windows apps, disable all the privacy settings, kill cortana, edit the hosts file, and disable every other shitty setting. I haven't run into any glitches or problems, so I don't know what everyone's complaining about.

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Dual booted Win7 and Ubuntu for some time. At first was hyped for Win10, but then realized it's going to be a botnet fest. Somehow by pure coincidence switched fully to Ubuntu as my main OS on the same day Win10 came out. Haven't looked back since.
Still keep a Win10 trial install so I can play stuff with my mates in LAN parties.

What the fuck is Microsoft thinking?

Yup. Was already using Linux on my laptop, Winshit 10 encouraged me to drop it everywhere.

>>60309799
No that would be Vista

>>60309873
I've been using linux distors in tandem with windows since late 2011 after hearing it has no telemetry. I only have linux on my laptop, but dual-booting on my gaming machine was a hassle, so I quit for a while. Ubuntu seems to have matured enough since then that it handles the problems I was having well enough now, so I'm going to be using GNU/Linux for as much of my computing as possible, gaming included.

>>60310285
At some point you will most likely stop caring about looks and start caring about functionality desu

>>60309799
Yes.

I always had Ubuntu in dual boot, but it was always like just to try it out. Later I switch Elementary OS and it was just to try it out.

Then Win 10 happened, and I'm a happy Debian user since, no dual, just loonix.

>>60311300
Why are you referring to an entire operating system by the name of its kernel and possibly packages and shit

>>60315438
switched to*

>>60309799
>Windows 10
8 got me pissed and 8.1 got me out

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>>60309799
Looks like somebody went to Reddit today.

Disgusting

>>60309799
I use windows because visual studio, but win10 is getting on my nerves....


If I could remove all the online/cloud features, it'd be ok

>>60310805
I won't tell you to GTFO, but I will tell you as long as you pick a starter distro like ubuntu, the learning curve should be easy enough. Play around with it in a virtual machine if you can!

>>60309799
Nope, I left for Linux back in 2002. Back and forth for 8 years. Settled for Win7 later on. Nowadays I have a mac.

>>60309799
Yea, however I still use windows 10 in my pci passthrough setup.
Windows is becoming merely a software layer inside linux, which is only needed for legacy reasons to run some proprietary stuff.

>>60311010
Love how the qr actually points to /g/
Bonus point if you had pointed them to >>/fglt/ >>/dtp/ or >>/csg/

>>60309799
I didn't leave for Linux.

My main computer runs Windows because Windows more or less works.

I reserve Linux for dicking around in because Linux is hacked together trash, like Windows, but Windows at least includes system tools that work out of the box without crashing your system.

An OS that includes faulty ACPI drivers and wants you to spend eight hours learning how to enable the most common wifi chipset because of some autists desire for 100% transparency isn't ready for consumers.

It convinced me that getting a new pc and running job-critical windows only programs in a win7 vm was still the better alternative.

I dropped that shit when it turned into windows 98 part 2 electric boogaloo

>Start up pooter
>Load desktop
>Click Firefox
>5 minutes later nothing
>Maybe i just single clicked it
>Click it again, nothing
>A couple minutes later nothing
>Click again
>Out of nowhere 10 Firefox windows appear

Inb4 shit system specs, unlocked i5 quad core with 16 gigs of RAM.

>>60315833
you ran 98SE on an i5 with 16G ram?

>>60315833
>i5
>16gb RAM
>98SE
explain.

>>60311689
fuck VS
the moment I finish with my c# classes, the windows partition goes kaput

>>60315849
No it became as shitty and slow as windows 98, where it took forever to load everything at start up, and you would click a program and it would open 10 minutes later, giving you ample time to go make a sammich and take a dump.

>>60315912
the only times i've seen 98 do that is when people have so much shit autostarting with their machine, that they're running into swap before they even touch it
it has always been user error

>>60309834
If your school teaches you networking on windows, change school seriously.

>>60315912
That means you cannot into basic PC hygiene.
Linux is your solution, since using linux is all about reinstalling and reconfiguring everything again over and over every weekend.

>>60315833
>unlocked i5 quad core with 16 gigs of RAM
The first problem is that you only have the CPU and RAM. You need other parts too. Like a motherboard maybe? I don't know how you're posting with only CPU and RAM, but it is impressive.

>>60315876
I wish there was an IDE for C# kinda like VS, but not nearly as huge and bloaty. I just don't want or need all those features, they just get in the way. I want something more like eclipse.

>>60309799
No, 8.1's updates getting stuck for the third time was.

>>60311676
Me too. You know what i do? I administer Linux server environment. You know how i got that job? I had good Linux skills and experience. Very profitable knowledge Pajeet.

>2011
>MS announces Windows 8
>everyone hates it
>YEAR OF THE LINUX
>Ubuntu ships with Unity
>everyone hates it
>stick with Windows 7 because it just werks

>2017
>MS turns Win 10 into the nighmare it was always supposed to be
>everyone hates it
>YEAR OF THE LINUX
>Ubuntu drops Unity
>everyone hates it
>Windows 7 support to end soon

Fuck

>>60309799
For macos with little snitch

Tried fedora once before. Then I realized I hated windows. Moved to rawhide, not looking back

Yes, I think it's finally pushed me over the tipping point. I've been playing around with gentoo on my laptop and it's been a lot of fun and a lot to learn. I realised that I don't even play games any more so I'm putting gentoo on my main machine some time soon. I'm quite familiar with debian after playing around with a Raspi 3b but I want something cool for my main rig.

>>60309799
No, OS X was the reason

>>60316232
You'd honestly get more cool points running some obscure distro derived from debian.

For that, I like hydrogen because it comes with Openbox and conky right out of the box, and there's not a lot to rip out before you start ricing.

>>60316313
>installing something based on debian only to strip it down
why not just start with debian and install what you want directly?

>>60316345
because you're going to be ripping out 10x more shit with vanilla debian.

The distro I mentioned is literally debloated debian with a shitload of config changes you'd do anyway.

>>60309799
It will be, this shit is corrrupting my user after some update.
When I have time, I will install some Linux distro and do the PCI passthrough shit to play my games and that's it.

>left for Linux
i went to Sierra and win 7

>>60309799
Can I unlock it with a printed photo of the owner?

>>60316133
>200017
>not using NetBSD(R) + a tiling WM

>>60309823
Nice bait vitun homo :-DD

>>60314593
Which uni

>>60309799
Unironically yes

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>>60310285
>ugly

>>60317611
>current year
>not using lolcat visualisation

>>60317629
no tnx

>>60314593
Sounds like a good university.

Nope
Win 8.1 and superfish

>>60315467
Looks like somebody went to Reddit today.

Disgusting

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>>60316773
Not bait.

>>60309799
Arch Linux was a mistake.

>>60309799
Absolutely, and I never looked back.

>>60318027
I go there ironically, to roll my eyes and guffaw at the plebs. BIG difference

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No it was the reason I left for OSX

>>60309799
Paying $400 for a Windows OS disc because none of my family's backup disks worked in 2002 made me switch.

>>60309799
Windows 8 was when I switched to Linux for good. I still keep a 10 GB partition with win10 in case I ever need it for some stupid reason.

>>60316430
you're not thinking of one of the "full gnome desktop" debian installers are you?
there's more than one way to install debian

Windows 10 fucked me over multiple times during updates. That straw that broke the camel's back was when it messed up my virtual disc drive and kept it from doing CDDA emulation.

Speaking of which, is there any good software for ISO, BIN/CUE creation and mounting them with CDDA emulation on Linux?

>>60318650
cdemu (not to be confused with wincdemu)

>>60318694
>>60318650
oh, that's for mounting
for dumping, cdrdao (makes bin/toc, but you can convert toc to cue if you prefer that)

>>60318706
When I was trying to play N2O (great game by the way, good music too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LEerMPcWNA ) on ePSXe I tried to convert TOC to CUE.... only to be greeted with screeching in place of the music. How do I properly convert TOC to CUE?

>>60318768
Thanks a lot GTK3 bug. The link was to a song called Now Is The Time (Cloud 9) with the original by Crystal Method that was only in this game as far as I know, and the full version was never released probably rotting on some dubplate somewhere.

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>>60310057
just use Enterprise/LTSB version

>Decide to give Linux a go again after crappy experience with Ubuntu years ago
>Installing Arch on old core2duo system scavenged from GFs parents
>Turn to pc to look something up
Installing Windows updates. Do not turn off your PC

>>60318768
oh, you need to "swab" the audio
cdrdao dumps audio as-is, keeping the cd-native big endian encoding
typical pc's use little endian, and most software that uses cue assumes little endian
so "swab" converts between endianness
many audio and cd tools can do this, like bchunk (also splits single bin images to separate tracks)

>>60315133
Profits. I own some of their stock and they don't lie to shareholders. With exceptions for the enterprise versions, if you use Windows, you and your information are their product.

https://archive.fo/ecA9E

>>60309799
The impending future of it, yes. "I like win7 but I wont get to keep using it forver may as well get my headstart as soon as possible"
Now i'm running suckless tools on void.
dont do memes, kids.

>>60310057

Its the end result of the contradictions between marketing and engineering.

Pre Windows XP era versions of windows were good because it was designed and sold by actual software developers, i.e Bill Gates.

>>60318997
>Pre Windows XP era versions of windows were good because it was designed and sold by actual software developers, i.e Bill Gates.
This explains the countless crashes of W98 and the bug hellhole of ME. Even the """best""" Windows, the 2000 have it's own shit that needed fix.

>>60309799
No, it was Windows 8, before ClassicShell or StartIsBack or anything. That tabletshit interface they were trying was horrible. And now the preference for Windows app store or whatever the fuck it is is equally disgusting. I'll never go back to Windows.

>>60309799
Almost, but Linux would be a waste of time and resources on my gayming machine. I'll reconsider once Red Hat implement one-click GPU passthrough in Fedora 27.

>>60309823
Why can't you use a virtual machine?

Yeah, basically. I fixed-up my gf's old 2010 macbook pro. Stock osx all nice and updated.

Thing was a total piece of shit. I assumed it would be superior to some communist mate ubungo distro, but nope. I can't deny that gnu/linux has been good to me

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We're setting things up for you

>>60309799
It's the reason I swapped to OSX

>>60309799
Toyed around with it when I used win7. Fully switched and never looked back after win10. Microsoft dug their own grave.

>>60310036
Linux can work without corelibs

can this RMS meme die already

>>60310532
My entire livelyhood is based around Windows software. I would love to make the switch, but needing to jump through hoops just so I can do my job properly sounds retarded.

Linux + GNU has been my main everyday OS since 2010 or so.

My desktop PC runs Windows 7 for games but that's the only time I use any Windows OS.

>>60309799
Not yet, but it's probably going to be. Been using an ancient fagbook just because 10 is so infuriating. Shit just werks.

>print out large photo of owners face
>log into computer scot-free

>>60314931
Spoonfeed me

Nope because Linux is useless for me. Windows just has to fix the font rendering.

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>>60309799
In a way. I upgraded recently to Ryzen and Windows 10, and I'm using my old x4 640 system to learn Linux. I'm growing out of playing the newest AAA games and mostly stick to games like CSGO nowadays.

While I'll say Windows 10 isn't horrible, it is frustrating on many levels. The amount of things I had to change to make it usable took far too long. Random update services downloading shit for other PCs on the network, useless OneDrive entries in explorer, the horrid start bar menu I had to get classic shell to get rid of, the notification bar, cortana bullshit, and of course all the privacy issues.

If there's one thing I like it's task view. Very handy and it's kept it's spot on my taskbar.

>>60311576

More than enough Linux games. The ones that don't support Linux miss out on my sale.

>>60309799
>use your face to log in
lel I drilled the webcam out of my laptop good luck with that one MS.

>>60309799
Someone takes your picture off FB and holds it up to your screen, bam access

>>60309799
no, that was XP

Windows XP was.

>>60321300
Probably right around when they stopped updating DirectX for Windows 2000 right?

>>60309799
yes. I liked windows up through 7. 8 could be made tolerable with a little work. 10 is unbearable though. I can tell that windows is still hidden in there somewhere but they stuck some low quality mobile OS over the top of it. linux has also come a long way in the last 10 years since I had last tried it. haven't missed windoze one bit.

>>60310036
thanks anon. keep being awesome.

No it was Windows 98 when MS integrated a web browser with their operating system. I used Slackware for years until Ubuntu became viable.

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>>60320788
Go to Settings > Apps > Apps & Features, Uninstall CandyShit, etc. Every other app can be uninstalled with these commands in powershell: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/04/07/windows-10-creators-update-apps-uninstall/
Go to Settings > Privacy. Shut. Down. EVERYTHING
To kill Cortana, open regedit, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search, make new DWORD, name it 'AllowCortana', set value to 0.
Lastly, download http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.zip , run the .bat. It just replaces your hosts file to block ads and malicious websites.
Also, pic related. It's outdated but it still holds up.

>>60309799
I left for Linux because freedom, wobbly windows, multiple workspaces and the ability to fix problems quickly myself desu. Windows offers me none of these things and Word is a piece of shit anyway.

>>60322738
oh, and to get away from vidya as well

>>60314520
More like you just don't know how to use mac.

Just because youre used to something different doesn't mean everything else is bad.

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>>60315987
>not soldering CPU and RAM directly to your power cord

I seriously hope you guys don't do this

>>60315987
Windows 98 p.gud and not harsh on resources. XP on the other hand... Worked well enough when everyone had gigs of RAM in mid-late 2000s but the average machine had fucking 128-256MB when it first came out. It ran pretty much the way you just described.

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>>60315966
I've had far less trouble on my linux machines than my windows machines and the hassles with linux have been easier to recover from. I still use windows now and then in a vm. I like both. I'll never understand people shitting on linux. It's just a fucking os. Pretty useful and can be fun at times. EVery time I power my machine down I'm still amazed and impressed. It's fast and responsive. Also I don't have flash on the fucking thing.

>>60309799
Windows 7 fucking around with an ssd was what sent me searching for an os. Put mint in and installed win7 in a vm in a couple of hours. Was able to browse the web while it was installing. ha. Ran that for a month or so then tried out other linux. Settled on lubuntu.

All the baiting is pointless. All just tools. You can ride a bike, own a car, and take the bus sometimes.

>>60310160
KEK

>>60309823
I have no problem using linux, actually some of the CFD stuff I do is linux only

>>60311664
Plus learning a new IDE at the same time as a new language is probable easier if you're using the same IDE as the rest of your class.

>>60309799
Yes

>>60309873
Just play linux games exclusively. The more people do this the more devs will port their shit to linux.

>>60310270
>Imagine if Lenovo made a custom Linux distro to run on their laptops. Apple would finally have some real professional competition.

I'm imagining a distro with a bunch of lenovo bullshit spyware preinstalled

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>fresh updates
>cortana returns
>"ah it's this shitty app again. disable"
>wait

>w-where's the disable button

>>60309799
it was the reason I switched back to Windows

>>60320787
>open up contact on phone
>full screen their contact photo
>hold up to computer
>unlocks

>>60310270
>lenovo
>professional
ohgod

>>60311760
It does
But good luck finding that fucking libcrypto.so

>>60309799
windows xp was

Nope, my father always insisted that we only used linux on the family's computer and I stuck with it

>>60323730
>poorly designed user interface
>"lol u just don't understand it!"
Fuck off, hipster. Different != good.

>>60311010
saved

>>60321512
Thanks, I've been looking for concise ways to streamline this shit and was too lazy to look some up.

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WHY IS WINDOWS 10 SO FUCKING UGLY AND UNNECESSARILY SPACE CONSUMING HOLY SHIT

>>60315938
Like 95% of the Networking jobs here always use Windows. No point in learning something if you're never really going to use it.

>>60309799
LTSB is pretty good desu~

>>60312413
>beeing that dumb

>>60309799
It made me switch to Mac as I actually prefer a functioning, usable operating system.

Windows 10 is shit but there is nothing Microshaft could do worse that could ever make me consider using shitnux.

>>60309799
>Windows 10
It was Vista, you're really late to the party.

Actually, it was more like Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8, but Windows 10 was really the final straw.

>turn on a computer with Windows 10 for the first time
>it immediately asks for your email and personal info

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>>60328512
at least it isn't as bad as systemd

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Is there a way to surgically remove the Windows Store from Windows 10?

For years I've started a VNC application by inputting windows key + VNC + Enter.

Recently the first result was suddenly replaced by a VNC advertisement from the app store, opening the Windows store on that page.

The rage this induces is no longer measurable.

>>60311664
>VSCode
>.NETcore
If you totally need Visual Studio, wine maybe?
Not sure if Unity runs under NETcore

>>60320098
>>60309823
>>60310918
Those who cannot stand the botnet that is windows 10 but cannot afford to leave it either, you're not alone: but there's always a solution, a VM. KVM or Xen with a PCI passthrough can give you 98% the performance of bare metal [CPU Wise] and 100% GPU Wise, however you will need two video cards for this to work but i dont think they have to be the same ones you can just buy a cheap one, if you're concerned about botnet you can just disable networking on the VM, you may still need an AV on windows though.

>>60310054
> FREEBSD NIGGERS

>>60329663
yes, see ntlite

>>60310160
screened

>>60330563
What's a good place to fetch a Windows 10 iso?

>>60330662
just find a torrent and check its' sha1

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For me it was Windows 2000. Newfag.

>>60330662
Microsofts website.

>>60330929
>literally the best version of windows
>push you away from windows
uh, what?

>>60330535
Path of exile is what is barring me to Windows. Would love to try this. Can an integrated gpu work for the Linux side?

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>>60330972
No, 98SE was the best and it has only been going downhill from there. 2k was good but not as good as 98SE. Mac OS hasn't been good since Mac OS 9. The only operating systems that have gotten better since the late 90s are stuff like FreeBSD, Debian, and BeOS (now called Haiku).

>>60331241
>2k was good but not as good as 98SE.
i guess there's a first for everything
>Mac OS hasn't been good since Mac OS 9.
seriously? os9 was basically apple's ME, they didn't get rhapsody done in time so they shat out a new old os to hold out until osx was ready
>BeOS (now called Haiku).
haiku is a reimplementation of beos from scratch, similar to reactos, just with more liberties taken (not really as much of a reason to keep compatibility with beos considering it didn't get much of a software base in the first place)

>>60331219
I believe it can.
mind you it isn't totally easy to set up but that's linux for you, too much responsibility on your shoulders.

>>60311760
You can also just run the cisco router and switch firmware inside Virtual Box.

>>60331219
PS, you'll still have a slower filesystem if you use a virtual filesystem, if you want to get 100% bare metal I/O you should allocate space directly on the filesystem for the VM, but this can be quite difficult too. You could also go a level beyond that and just run the whole fucking VM in a RamDisk, if you can spare that much anyway.

Do this and you'll have a high performance VM, you could also try VMWare but I am not certain of its speeds, try to avoid VirtualBox, it's twice as slow CPU wise than KVM or Xen in almost every aspect.

>>60331331
I'm a software engineer so I can probably figure it out. Thanks anon.

>>60330953
Without a fucking weird ass download/preparation tool.

Give me a direct .iso download link from microsoft, like their old digitalriver website.

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>>60330572
>>60310160
snipped

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>>60331316
>i guess there's a first for everything
This sentence needs context.

>seriously? os9 was basically apple's ME, they didn't get rhapsody done in time so they shat out a new old os to hold out until osx was ready
OS X 10.0-10.3 is garbage compared to Mac OS 9. The newer versions are only better because of their modern features and ability to run more software.

>haiku is a reimplementation of beos from scratch
No, not from "scratch". It's based primarily on the source code of BeOS. It may be vastly different but it's still a fork. Rewriting the whole thing would be fucking retarded. Don't reinvent the wheel.

>similar to reactos
No. React OS is based on reverse engineering of Windows. The Haiku devs have some of the BeOS source code.

>>60331573
>It's based primarily on the source code of BeOS.
do you have a source for that? i haven't seen anywhere that actual beos sources were used to begin haiku

>>60309799
Yes. Besides that, developing on a unix system is much easier than on a windows machine, which is what I've experienced.

>>60331695
I've spoken to one of the devs about it. I'm a part of the community and I port apps to Haiku.

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>>60331219
someone here mentioned path of exile to me last week or so, it just werks in wine
i'm using an HD7850 with the free radeonsi driver

>>60331831
Is this with pci pass-through?

>>60332145
na, just running directly in linux with wine

>I started by dual booting into Windows 8 and a 20 GB Arch partition a year before Windows 10.
>Freaked out when my Windows partition got fried.
>backed up data from Windows partition and turned the partition into a linux storage partition quite easily.
>wanted to still play vidya and make shitty vaporwave in FL Studio
>discovered that Wine works better than Windows for games and is decent with FL Studio as long as you aren't retarded/ trying to use a toaster to play games
>hear about how cucked Windows 10 users by their bloated spyware OS
>laugh as winbabys shill on this board in defense of their shit OS


I am glad to say I have yet to use Windows 10, it really is a pajeet tier OS.

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>tfw still using Win7 on desktop and 8 on tablet

>>60310202
cmus is great

>ctrl+f
>photodna
>no results
It's like I don't even know you people any more.

>>60321512
I found these powershell commands, extremely powerful, I didn't know powershell has awesome features like this.

Delete apps for all users :
Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Out-GridView -PassThru | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online

Delete apps for current user:
Get-AppxPackage | Out-GridView -PassThru | Remove-AppxPackage

Run both of these in admin powershell, it shows a list where you can select multiple apps while holding CTRL, then pressing OK will delete all of those (or try, some cannot be removed).

Or just do what I usually do, CTRL+A then deselect photos and calculator while holding CTRL.

>>60328512
because we're not using 640x480 anymore.

>>60310523
you don't need windows for c#. Just use rider, it's pretty good. I've been using it for a few months now for c# (and recently f#) and it's great.

do yourself a favor and switch yaourt with pacaur.
Thank me later

>>60309799
>>60309834
This. I'm staying with 8.1. Perfectly fine for daily use, compability and gaming.

>>60309873
actually windows tools give you more options than any modern linux DE.

>>60309799
>bloated
>uses 2gb ram at startup
>botnet
>nvidia drivers break

yes

>>60309799
>Was Windows 10 the reason you left for Linux?

No. Windows Vista.

>>60309799
Yes. I loved Win7 but Win10 sucks IMHO

>>60330462

When you get to the stage where you're running almost everything through WINE, why bother? Just use Windoze.

>>60333906
>provably wrong

>Normie
"oh wow I dont have to sign anymore :D"

>/g/
FACIAL DETECTION GLOBAL NSA BOTNET

>>60309799
Yes, it broke my laptop.

>>60312617
>durr hurr they dont do homework and have classes outside in the freezing northern european cold so cool

>>60315467
*goes to reddit to prove someone else went to reddit*
You both need to be gassed

>>60309799
Windows 8, actually.

>>60309799
i jumped ship as of 8, currently running 7 for microsoft office and gaming on one rig, been distro hopping on the other ( atm is just debian, trying to teach myself more)

i wonder if the british government will pay for extended lifespan, the way they did with XP.

>>60331349
many courses require packettracer files to be submitted.

>>60309799
nigger, I jumped that sinking ship long before botnet10 arrived

>>60309799
I just had enough of windows 7 at some point (having already dabbled in GNU). The reason why I kept going back to windows over the years has always been vidya because even though I recognized the issue with wifi drivers and shit, it was otherwise significantly easier to use and customize (this means that the settings menu actually has settings in the right place, I don't have to hunt through 20 menus for hours on end, and otherwise I can just edit easy to find config files), significantly more stable, and actually allows me control of the computer (no forced updates, no silent program restarts for automatic silent upgrades, no keylogger in the drivers as has been found recently in most HP laptops, etc.)
The next problem was finding a distro that didn't suddenly die after a bad update, which was all too common, but also had many packages available. That's how I found gentoo, the only distro that fit the bill (even debian was an unstable piece of crap, but not gentoo. Gentoo just werks, always).

>>60312413
This is probably caused by unity (and possibly gnome). In particular, compiz. To confirm this, go to another tty and run top. You should see compiz use up 100% cpu, and killing it should unfreeze your shit cleanly.

>>60331219
poe works fantastic in wine actually. but of course you can also gpu passthrough. Yes, an integrated gpu works for the host.

>>60336989
The reality is that you still have to use your password sometimes but since you need it so rarely (only for the most critical, do-it-or-we-brick-your-shit things), you forget it and then you have to reinstall everything.

>>60309799
No, it was Windows Vista/7 but I have been pretty pissed since XP, when Linux was unusable due to lack of wifi drivers, with a buggy network manager (2004ish).

.>>60319100
I used 98 since the day it came out up until the release of xp and never had a problem that wasn't clearly caused by a specific game, like bc3k. 98 was solid as fuck, the problems come from the users. DX always worked. Audio always worked. My rj11 and rj45 always worked, networking always worked. Crashes? nope, not unless I was fucking around with crap like bc3k. Slow startup? nope, a minute or two at most. Had a hard drive crap out, but considering it was, i think, a 500mb drive from the 90's that i originally had on a 486, i'd bet a dollar to anyone that wasn't 98's fault. People who talk shit about 98 generally just don't know what they're talking about or at the time of using it were just computer illiterate. I still use 98 for oldschool games, though on a vm.

>>60331241
agreed, win98se was by far the best, it's not even a debate. i've been an all day computer user since the c64. 98se was a gift from the gods. xp was crap but after a little elbow grease worked out. 7.. well, 7 was just vista but, "fixed". not good, not as bad as your dick falling off in an elevator while wearing khaki cargo shorts. the rest is ms basically dry fisting your asshole until you convince yourself you love it while choking back dry, throat wrenching sobs. Still, nothing beats the moment upgrading from win3.1 to 95. Anyone who missed out on that feeling of wonder and amazement has been cheated out of one of the greatest things in life. Never again shall a windows user endless rage at getting sound to work on their shareware, only to settle for the built in speaker. That low fidelity devils chirp haunts me. i refuse to install the mb speaker unless troubleshooting. fuck that noise.

Sign in with your face goy, you're not doing anything wrong are you? So long as you aren't you have nothing to worry about.

>>60309799
No it was XP, well Vista, I mean the both of them combined.

>>60333458
i left windows before photodna was a thing

>>60309799
No because I want to be productive and actually have a job

I left to try Linux, and then went straight back to Windows when I found out they still had no fucking clue how to support printers.

Seriously, c'mon. I can change my office suite, I can use a different browser, but if I can't fucking even use my printer....good bye.

>>60338508
If you believed any word of your post, you would never touch anything even remotely related to microsoft.

>>60338542
>click printers
>click add
>printer is autodetected and driver is autodected
>meanwhile wangblows needs to install a driver and can't even print double-sided with the driver installed
rly mks u thk

The Fuck is Linux? But really nah Senpai I'm Happily Content with being a Windows White girl. *Crys to self hoping DX 12 will actually do the things they said it would*

>>60338542
I mean Linux just uses the same printer driver as the macs (cups) so in theory you should just get a printer that supports that. I have a xerox and that has drivers specifically for Linux too, so no issue there.

>>60309799
no, because i'm not retarded enough to use win10 in the first place.

>>60338564
directx is dead

>>60338547
Don't hurt >>60338508 how can you know if he is not a phone scammer calling people from India to 'remove viruses' and 'repair computers'?

>>60338582
And Nvidia is apparently backtracking to try and incorporate Vulkan support!

>>60338561
>>60338566

Nice try greentexting first anon, but I'm not retarded, I tried that.

>click printers
>click add
>printer is not detected, please use; 9-pin driver, 24-pin driver (both are old and outdated forms of printing, they don't work - they are for "analog" printers, if you will), or load your own.
>Google my printer; Epson WF-4630.
>Linux driver only available as .rpm
>not on whatever the fuck .rpm belongs to
>Look up how to convert
>Try to
>Fail, get massive CLI error message

At that point I said fuck this shit. Windows detects and installs my WF-4630 driver in the default install from the WMCT, I literally have it from the second the OS is usable.

>>60317611
>Clementine
MUH NIGGA!

>>60338616
>Epson WF-4630
there are .deb files for Ubuntu on their site

>>60338660
I tried Manjaro.

I have an old computer(single core mobile bulldozer old), and I need something lightweight. I was told Arch is as lightweight as it gets so I went to /sqg/ and they recommended Manjaro for noobs.

Is Ubuntu lightweight enough?

>>60338681
Lubuntu then or Xubuntu, those are Ubuntu just with simpler less resource intensive GUIs.

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>>60338681
arch is actually one of the heavier distros, packages tend to ship with most stuff enabled, and with docs/headers/etc included
what matters more is which packages you choose and run

>>60338717
The Arch is lightweight meme needs to go. I use Arch I like it, but it isn't for everybody.

>>60331331
yes, managed to do so on my i7 4790 iGPU and a 980.

If you want dedicated GPU on host as well after you are done with the VM it is possible. With Nvidia you'd have to use the propriety driver though to get access to PRIME profiles so you can pick dedicated GPU and logout/login to force the change.
I hear with AMD it is possible to do so without logging out of your session or restarting X using DRI PRIME. Might get an AMD GPU for my next upgrade anyway since their open source drivers are getting better and Nvidia's latest binary blob will likely include telemetry.

>>60338821
I'm using an RX480 but I don't run emulation, what I can tell is that the mesa drivers work really well nowadays.

>>60338853
Yeah waiting to see what becomes of Vega before upgrading.
I've read somewhere that wayland intends to support GPU swapping without loosing your current session.

>>60310298
I fucking use Redhat, m8 :^)

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>>60338582
direx is trash. no sane developer would invest and acquire rights to use m$ proprietary gfx API when there is openGL and amd/intel vulkan

>>60339097
Okay I wouldn't brag with OpenGL it is trash, Vulkan on the other hand is quite brilliant. It really sucks that Apple decided to go the Microsoft route and make their own API instead of just using the open standard like they used to.

>>60339097
>unity-chan
wtf i love unity now?

>>60339129
they're not still going on about metal, are they?

>>60339152
You can bet your sweet ass they are sticking with it. Although I heard third party Vulkan support from the graphics card manufacturers may be in the works.

>>60311689
>Windows development just isn't something I enjoy
So, you enjoy not being remunerated for your job

>>60339181
He said the polar opposite of that.

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A good Loonix After Effects' replacement? No? Ok

>>60309799
I really fucking dislike MS but at the same time, they're still necessary.

>>60309799
XP was the reason i went linux.

>>60339376
Just enhance the picture with Tux Paint on a pixel by pixel basis

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I use Windows 10, is not awful but if you tweak it enough it works fine.
I have tried to switch to Linux a lot of time, but the system is awful.
1. You have to work on the system, the system needs a lot of work from the user, the system should work for you, no otherwise. Well, once you configure Linux, your hardware is at your dispense, but seriously reaching that level is a pain in the ass.
2. Installing things is a pain, seriously Linux suffers a lot from the segmentation. Debian packages are not compatible with a lot of distros and stuff like that. Need to get your shit together and make a uniform system, the same linux community is fragmented, the GNU side and the "don't give a single fuck" side.
3. Vydias.
4. The most important thing for me, software. There's nothing comparable to the Adobe Suite in Linux, Visual Studio, Lightshot (powerful tool for screenshots), Ableton Live, etc.
Is Linux fault? no, but seriously the software department. More users might drive the developers there, but is that or a killer app that will launch Linux to success.

tl;dr Windows, despite of being a botnet that you can disabe (tweeking it), it has a better user experience than Linux.

>>60333709
do yourself a favor and install anything but arch

>>60309799
No, Windows 8 was. I actually used win7 throughout the win8 meme, but once I saw win10 on the horizon, I knew it was time to gtfo. I may consider still using win7 as a live boot for some things (like Photoshop since I hate gimp) but windows is on a need to use basis with me from now on.

>>60311582
Are you memeing or are you literally this retarded?