Intel is kill

>>60307107
>Vega will do the same
Nah, there's actual competition on GPU market.

>>60307133
No, Vega will .

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>>60307107
Wait for Basin Falls
Wait for 10nm
Wait for Intel's new architecture

>>60307174
No, Vega are simply good high end cards.

>>60307107
>intel is cheaper on high end
>on par on mid end
also sceptical on ryzen performance, more cores & threads would REQUIRE optimization (and affects intel the same way), which will probably heavily vary.

>>60307107
Is that why Intel took another 3% of the market in last two months OP?

>>60307326
No, that's because normies buy Intel blindly and don't mind paying 150$ for a dual core.

>>60307326
Is that just in sales or adjusted for population growth?
Yes it matters. 3% would be on the slide.

>>60307107
>vega
>engeneering sample can do 70fps in doom @ 4k
Well assuming they crank it up higher n final production i expect Vega to beat 1080ti but ONLY in 4k and dx12/vulkan.

I expect it to be a little behind in dx11because asynchronous compute is a massive boon, and even more behing in 1080p because memory bandwidth matters way more in 4k than in hd.

>>60307291
>intel is cheaper on high end
what?

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>>60307326

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>>60307107
DELID THIS

Can't hiro just make /cpu/ already.
These threads are all shit posts, and fuck you.

whats the maximum safe temp i can run my CPU at? throttling on the Ryzen 5 is at 75 degrees, but things like video rendering can push it up to 85. i've had it up to 95 c with prime95 @ 3.85ghz

>>60307107
>I SWEAR!
>WHEN GAMES UPDATE TO USE MORE CORES!
>AMD WILL FINALLY WIN THE CPU WAR!
>INTEL IS FINISHED I TELL YOU!!!!

[INSERT EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 3 DECADES HERE]

>>60307107
Most of those are probably laptops with i3's, i5's and dual core i7's

>>60307489
He's talking about soon obsolete Xeons.
>insufficientmemorytoload.jpg

>>60307107
>Ryzen annihilated Intel's core series
If Ryzen was released 6 years ago, it would've annihilated Sandy Bridge. We got Bulldozer instead. I'm glad they finally managed to catch up but it's nowhere near "annihilating" Intel.

>Vega will do the same
Again we get too little, too late. If I wanted 1080 performance I could've just bought a 1080, like many people did. I don't expect it to be much cheaper than nvidya's shit.

>>60307601
>4 core ryzen apu
>with vega 11
>and ryzen power efficiency
Its like they are making laptops great again

>>60307667
Intel is still to pay the 1 (one) billion (0000000000) fine to the EU that will go to subsidizing AMD laptops. They'll have to pay it soon too.
Intel is about to be raped.

>>60307625
>>60307489
i7 7700k is listed as slightly pricier than 1700 and cheaper than 1700x and 1800x
It gets even worse for AMD in europe.

>>60307107
>>8 cores, 16 threads for under $400

i had 8 cores and 16 threads almost a decade ago pooor fag.

dont gayme and still dont lite them up that often except when i am transcoding my sacd DSD library back to 24/48 ALAC for my iPhone7

By the way your fucking RIZERn threads have dicked up /g/ for good

fuck off proper... got it cunt ?

>>60307629
>LALALALALLA INTEL GUD AMD BAD XDDXDSMSSOSDJOSJIO
INTEL GUD!!!!!!!!! XDD AMD BAD!!!!!!!! OIJAJOHUUAUV9A49894YN894N8943QN89Q3GV89V8Q53
AMD BTFOED 1000%%%% LMAO

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>people implying it would not be better to have both companies competing with each other to drive the prices down

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>>60307710
???
Barely an issue when the 1600 is a thing.

>>60307684

Intel doesn't have to pay shit as long as AMT can be used by the EU for surveillance.

>>60307757
Yeah, and that is at best equal to my 6600k

>>60307784
Except it has more cores and threads.

Lower TDP.

And way fucking less, way less stuttering in games.

>>60307746
If only intel competed with price and performance and not bribes and power abuse.

>>60307833
if only amd was good

>>60307833
Commie pls everything is fair in free market.

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>>60307849

>>60307107
what the f uck dude, amd is still far behind.

they are still the ">im poor and cant afford intel" company. just get over it and emberace your fate.

so wait, ryzen bombed hard and now amd kids are crying about it? this shit is funny

>>60307894
Ramesh you're doing it again?

>>60307894
What is it like to self deprecate for your Chinese overloads?
You could be making more by bailing up that cow you have in your office and selling its shit and piss for human consumption.

>>60307784
Except that it beats a 6800k

Btw what is good 4 cores 4 threads CPU for under $150?
Should i buy an old i5 3xxx or 4xxx or new AMD A8?

>>60308001
>from google
People also ask
What is the equivalent of AMD a8 to Intel?
CPU wise, It is roughly equivalent to a Intel Pentium (which is a fast Atom), or a ultra low voltage Haswell i3. It's about 20% slower than the i3. GPU wise, NEITHER is that great. By the numbers, the AMD solution in the A8-6410 pulls ahead... by pretty much the same margin.Sep 18, 2015

>>60307582
This. AMDrones are fucking delusional if they think ryzen beat intel at anything.

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>>60308001
Go for the i5.

Looking forward to my free-software, no rootkit AMD box.

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>>60308055
Heads up. You'll get fired for such low effort posts. I suggest you hop to reddit and work on the upvotes for rupee program.

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>>60308084
How sad. Only reason i5 can compete is with integrated graphics. Limiting it to a glorified web browser.

To the top!

>>60308503
Again?
Are the shills really that butt devastated?

>>60307217
Their names a really pretty sounding

way too expensive, ill be going with a used xeon next upgrade

Somewhat.

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>>60307582
>>60308096

Coffee Lake-S 6 cores will totally blow away AMD. They'll OC to 5 GHz on all cores because Intel is magical and makes my peepee feel good.

>>60308001
You shouldn't buy either of them.

>>60309385
http://valid.x86.fr/w85jf5
6850K on 14nm can run at 4.6ghz on water

I see no reason why a 6 core Coffeelake can't OC to 5ghz with 14nm++ when 14nm can already run at 4.6ghz.

14nm++ draws less power at the same voltage

>>60309526
>14nm++
Literally marketing bullshit. Why not throw a couple more plusses on there? Won't make any difference.

>>60308055
That would be true, if Ryzen wasn't beating Intel in everything except for Single Threaded Performance.

>>60307107
>$1000 Intel chip performance for $400

Implying their $1000 chip costs anything anywhere near $1000 to make

>>60309592
Haven't you heard? Single threaded is the only thing that matters now! Except that even Intel is moving away from it soon .. oops.

>>60309414
What should I buy for $150?

>>60309526
>Cherrypicked golden silicon soldered 6 core Intel hits 4.6 GHz
The consumer version with jizz TIM that needs to be replaced isn't going any higher for most people.

>>60309608
The fact that they're thinking about bringing more cores and threads to the average consumer doesn't mean that their Single Threaded Performance will get worse all of a sudden though. AMD is still on time to step their game up with Zen+ so if they achieve that, then they'll realistically surpass Intel. Until then, Intel will still have the upper hand at least in PC Gaming.

>>60309526
>implying 14nm++ is better than 14nm

>>60309640
>doesn't mean that their Single Threaded Performance will get worse all of a sudden though
They have to lower clocks or they will end up with housefire temps everywhere.

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>>60309553

14nm+ vs 14nm
3.9ghz 72w vs 3.7ghz 80w
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11232/intel-launches-xeon-e3-1200-v6-family

>>60309618
AMD APUs are garbage, they're completely out of question until Raven Ridge comes.

With that being said, just investigate by yourself. Compare prices, specs, performance in whatever you're interested in (Youtube's a nice place for that) and then you'll be able to make a logic decision all by yourself.

no mitx boards lmao get fucked amdretards

>>60309683
Nobody cares about your meme form factor. Fuck off.

>>60308841
set it to say Anonymous

>>60309683
Just wait™

>>60309675
So no good answer after all.

>>60309683
When is that X370 Crosshair Impact coming out?
The one meant to OC to the max for asus

>>60309668
I don't see a single thing on there that says anything about 14nm++, and all the Xeon CPUs are 4c/8t. And it's all Intel marketing crap. What am I supposed to be looking at here?

>>60309725
You don't care about actually understanding things, meh, get out. You'll have better luck by going into Tom's Hardware Forum and that kinda places.

>>60307107
>amd

Yeah Ryzen is selling so well....oh wait, it's fucking not. People still buy Intel because they are smart and everything you spewed there doesn't matter to anyone.

Is ryzen 3 worth getting? I mean $75 aud for the pentium g whatever is pretty hard to beat

>>60309757
>understand it yourself
O-okay, Mr. Veryusefulanon

>>60309810
It's not even out yet, so that might be a bit of a problem. 2 cores 4 threads is for office PCs these days.

>>60309592
Ryzen has higher IPC than anything ever made for x86, most loads simply can't make enough instructions to actually use the entirety of the CPU
That's why it scales so well with SMT
A higher clocking process would make AMD beat anything Intel could do until their new arch, but the only one who would benefit from that is the gaems market and the niche market that only cares about throughout which gets POWER stuff

>>60309798
Yep it's selling so badly motherboard manufactures can't make the fucking things fast enough before they sell out again. Fuck off, shill.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/pc/229189/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsnr

Best sellers is based on overall sales over time, and the CPUs on that list have been out for much longer, so don't even bother linking it.

>>60309810
Poorfag pentium is tempting, until you realize it just doesn't have the power to really do anything besides run single core emulators and older games that run fine on just about anything even remotely modern anyway.

>>60307472
>Vega
>beating 1080 Ti
You are beyond delusional.

>>60309937
>motherboard manufactures can't be bothered to make enough before they sell out again


FTFY

>>60309951
It's fine for everything except perhaps video encoding. 60fps on everything worth playing.

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>>60309967
Oh yeah? Well, the jerk store called, and they're running out of you.

>>60309982
>>60310012
KEK

>>60309996
It's fine for video encoding as well.

>>60310287
>2 to 4 fps on my g3258
i wish i got the athlon 760k instead.

>>60309878
well obvs but 2 core 4 thread is still literally every game ever

>>60309951
seems to hit 1080p 60fps when paired with a 1050ti on most stuff. Im just worried about emulation with the amd cpu since i remember fx 8350 couldnt emulate because of sse5 or something

>>60310210
wait
is this
i repeat
is this?

>>60309996
The G4560 is the lowest you should go for a real machine. It has HT, so it runs games that ask for 4 cores.
But any higher and you're in Ryzen land.
Maybe an i5-7500.
Mid range is dominated by Ryzen because at that point you won't be getting a GPU fast enough to differentiate between Ryzen and the super-fast 7700k.

>>60310328
Stop using stupid settings. 8 ref and 7 b-frames is fine.

>>60310381
your jumps are crazy from a pentium straight to the 3rd highest intel core

Sadly have no use now for Ryzen upgrade. I have i5 3470 and it's enough for everything I do. Maybe I'll get Zen2...

>>60310433
There's nothing worth buying in the $100-$150 range.

Ehh, wouldn't say that. They have a small niche, is all. They're a great choice for people just getting into computer building, because they offer well-rounded performance and a simpler build. I think they're the best office CPUs available, as well. No idea why people buy pentiums and celerons for that shit, when all their single core perf won't matter in that setting, but they shit a brick when trying trying to edit the company picnic video or render a 3D model sent over in a PDF

>>60310433
Yes, because you shouldn't buy processors in that range.
The i3s do not offer anything at all over the pentium.
The four core Ryzens would be nice if they were just a bit cheaper, because as is at the low end you can already get powerful cores. Not that Ryzen cores are weak, but if you don't care about core count, you might as well save some money and go with the pentium for dwarf fortress or whatever.

>>60310433
Because G4560 is too good. Ryzen 3 will fail if it can't defeat that 2 cores 4 threads CPU.

>>60308001
Wait for ryzen 3

>>60308001
Wait for a Pentium G5560 3c/6t

>>60310815
>Shit that will never happen

AMDoA

>>60307629
>sandy bridge
Ah, good thing kabylake is not within spitting distance from sandy IPC-wise.

>literally no price cuts, no anything
>G-GUYS INTEL IS PANICKING
i'm still fucking waiting for the lower prices
intel is still faster in most games, that's the huge problem here, probably around 1% of the users do anything that could require 8 cores

>>60307174
Nah, unlike Intel, Nvidia is actually creating new stuff instead of reusing the same arch for years with minimal improvements.

You should always avoid threads like this that compare companies, they're always going to be loaded to the brim with shills, make your own research.

>>60307107
>Unlocked by default
This is enough reason to prefer AMD already.

>>60311346
Fuck off, amdshill.

>>60311170
Good thing no-one is reccomending the 8 core CPUs. It's all about the 6 cores.

As for Intel, they are pushing ahead the launch of their consumer 6 cores and lowering prices on their high end shit.

>>60311382
Kill yourself.

>>60308973
>Radeon Reaction
>We're talking about CPUs
Get out

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>>60307107
If only AMD would push single core performance rather than pushing more cores meme, it would be great.

>>60311561
too late my 1600x just arrived, all this anti AMD shilling does help making the right choice

>>60311605
good thing then that clock for clock intel is losing to AMD

>>60311624
Source? 7700k still has superior IPC compared to 1800x

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>>60310210

>>60311640
>"Hurr what does "clock for clock" mean"

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>>60307684
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-20/intel-should-win-fight-over-1-16-billion-fine-court-aide-says
I don't know if this is valid but...
>never forget.........
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>>60311858
Except Ryzen doesn't match single-threaded performance still, it just comes "kind of close"

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>>60311894
>The men on Ryzen's side are a bit smaller
>Kind of close

>>60311864
>2 CORES RYZEN EQUALS 1 CORE INTEL

kek

>>60311894
IPC has caught up to Intel, the clocks are just slower. AMD has to up the clockspeeds to be really competitive in Single-Core

>>60311936
...Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>60307684
I have literally never heard of the EU doing something that never made me angry.
Fucking european dipshits.

>>60307727
You seem like a virgin

>>60311939
>AMD needs another FX 9590 more ghzzzz

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>>60311939
Slower is slower

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>>60311976
It sure is

>>60312007
Still significantly slower than even an i3 in single-core performance, so yes. Much slower.

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>>60312007
>>60311864
>Can't even beat a 2500k on single thread performance.
>But mah infinite coresss

>>60312147
this is embarrassing... another bulldozer

>>60312147
>Pissmark
Stopped reading there.

>>60312113
So is the 6900k, intel BTFO

>>60312113
>single-core performance
I haven't seen this many fags clinging this hard to a sinking ship since the fucking Titanic. https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/

>>60312315
>wccftech

>>60312315
Meanwhile in 2012...
>single core performance, lol. It is past and useless
>multicore is future
>ps3 is 8 core, all games will need 8 cores in a year
>amd wins in synthetic test - it is so future prove
>4 cores in 2k12 kek
>intel is finished, amd fx is the future
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

>>60312380
You forgot the futureproof fags buying FX 8 cores.

Who /westmere/ here?

>>60307107
N99

after all of these fucking blue screens with windows, who cares. my next pc will be a mac

>>60307107
Who cares when it's still shit for gaming

Go away AMD shill

>>60312592
>muh gaymen
>>>/v/

>>60312659
>muh productivity
>>/autism/

>>60312659
>gaming is irrelevant for modern consumer grade cpus
Gaming is the only fucking reason you have such powerful and affordable cpus in the market. If not for gaming, there would only be some 4 core low clocked power efficient mobile chip and $2000 8 core chips for professionals.

>>60312756
>this is was manchildren believe

>>60312789
>stop pointing out how bad pajeet shit is or you are manchild
>waaaaah

>>60312809
Calm down, Christine Weston Chandler.

>>60307107
rypoo can't compete in single thread, into the loo it goes

>>60313146
>t. 2003

>>60312380
>>60312394
phenom 10XX CPUs
then bulldozer
now ryzen

AMDtards literally eat this MOAR CORES shit up every single generation

99.9% of /g/ users are not doing tasks where ryzens multicore performance matters

and those that do can afford better 6-10 core intel CPUs.


running a linux distro and jerking it to pirated loli cartoons is not an adequate reason to buy a ryzen over an i5.

>>60307107

Holy shit, now I'll lose my job as a delid engineer

>>60309640
>Intel will still have the upper hand at least in PC Gaming
Why are these lies perpetrated?

It's on par with AMD. They trade blows depending on the game.

>really want at least a Ryzen 5 1600
>will probably end up buying the lowest Ryzen 3, if I ever build another PC

I didn't choose the NEET life, the NEET life chose me.

>>60313265
>80% of all benchmarks say intel is faster. Couple of cherrypicked stuff say that amd can sometimes be somewhat near intel performance.
Gee, I wonder if those 80% are lying or just some youtubers that promote amd...

>>60311227
>Nvidia is actually creating new stuff instead of reusing the same arch for years with minimal improvements
If you mean, adding more cores with 0% IPC improvement, then yes, they are.

Volta is actually LESS IPC per clock than Maxwell, hooray for progress!

>>60313265
They trade blows on GPU bottlenecked titles and intel destroys AMD in titles like CSGO where CPU performance actually matters.

>MUH STUTTERS

are a non argument because only retards run programs in the background that cause stuttering in the first place.

Like every single time in the last 15 years, shills and morons claim AMD is the futureproof choice because MOAR CORES, only to fall behind later in life due CPU single thread performance becoming the bottleneck.

Intel is the true future proof choice, especially with the ability to overclock a decent amount over stock.clocks.

Most Ryzen can't even break 4ghz without winning the lottery and using suicide voltage.

Ryzen actually stutters like crazy. It dips to 33fps with 1700 + 1080 in Witcher.

>>60313351
Higher clock=more ipc=you lie.

I do not say nvidia is some sort of new-tech god but they do increase ipc insignificiantly.

>>60313436
>higher clock=more instructions per clock
Idiot detected.

>>60307107
All these Intel shills in this thread holy shit

>>60313436
That's not what IPC means.

>>60312380
Wow I didn't realize it was still 2012. I must have accidentally walked into a time machine. I guess Intel isn't really releasing a 6 core mainstream CPU in less than a year after all.

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Xeon V5 80w 3.7ghz 4C/8T
Xeon V6 72w 3.9ghz 4C/8T

3rd gen 14nm at 0.7v = 1st gen 14nm at 1.0v

>>60313554
What are those numbers like for their 6 core CPUs? How can you tell 14nm++ will be the same amount of improvement? Why is it such an improvement if i7-7700K's are turning into housefires everywhere?

you mean instructions per second?

instructions per clock * clock rate

>>60313541
>Intel releasing 6 cores cpu that will still have way higher oc potential and single core performance than Ryzen
OH WOW I NEED THOSE 16 THREADS THAT LOSE TO 2600K IN STP

>>60313625
They'll be 15% ahead in single core. And still lose in multicore. Not exactly impressive.

>>60307133
My bet is that Vega really does BTFO Nvidia's current lineup, but then Volta comes out and outdoes them again.

It'll be a really short 6 months or whatever of AMD actually owning the GPU market again, and then the marketing juggernauts will steal it away.

>>60307563
stop cooling your CPU with a wet towel

>>60313676
>6 months
Consumer Volta isn't going to be out until Q1 2018 at the earliest.

>>60313638
i7-8700K will probably be $50 more expensive than i7-7700K, too. Intel could drop prices on the i7-7700K and keep the i7-8700K at $350, but doubt that will happen.

>>60311947
Fining a business that broke mutable laws is rage inducing?

>>60313819
vega isn't cumming consumer until june my dude

>>60314639

Difference is Vega is 2017 unlike consumer volta.

>>60311640
It doesn't, Zen does 5 instructions per clock, Kaby Lake does 4
The only reason Intel can lead it's due to higher clocks, and ICC gimping anything that's not Intel

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>>60309385
this. tbqh. if AutisticMicroDicks thinks intel has no counter whatsoever they're delusional as always.

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>This entire thread

>>60307772
>surveillance
You're mixing up EU and US. They're on two separate continents. Check a map.

>>60311947
I have never seen so much jewery in a post.

>>60311947
>Fucking european dipshits.
The EU is the only institution in the developed world that's making a stand against US giants bullshits.
It's the only one fining Intel, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc for all the illegal bullshit and unchecked surveillance they've been making.

>>60315409
Dumb frogposter.

>>60312380
>ps3 is 8 core
Games could not access all the cores, some were reserved, but nice try.

Most didn't even take advantage of all the resources as evidenced by most ports running better on the Tri-core Xbox 360

>>60310407
jokes on you.
8 ref and only 3 bframes.
64butt x264 with some slow avs filter chain.
because nips can't into processing their chinese cartoons properly.
shit resizer, etc.

>>60313378
>Intel is the true future proof choice, especially with the ability to overclock a decent amount over stock.clocks.
You can't overclock a 7700k without deliding and no, 4 cores is never future-proof in 2017.

>only retards run programs in the background
I hope could hear how retard you sound telling this to power users (you're on /g/).

>>60313378
>Most Ryzen can't even break 4ghz without winning the lottery and using suicide voltage.
Ryzen gets to 4.0Ghz without suicide voltages, contrary to your lies. It is also pretty much guaranteed on, say, a 1600X, which is still cheaper and has more multi-threaded performance than a 7700K in most things.

Face it anon. The only place for a 7700K is for a gaming-only rig and even that is neck and neck. It's retarded for anyone that might do anything useful on their computers.

>>60313378
>titles like CS:GO
Take you 240hz meme monitor and 1024x768 eSPURTZ resolution and shove them up your ass, faggot.

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>>60313253
Of all the things ITT, I lost to this. Thanks anon.

>Using video game benchmarks to choose GPU when 99% of people aren't running a powerful enough GPU to not be GPU bottlenecked in games

I want the /v/ kids to leave

>>60316730
Haven't you heard? Literally everyone is running a 1080 ti at 1080p 144hz.

>>60316757
It boggles my mind how stupid gamer kiddies are, unless you have an unlimited budget you're going to lose out on maybe 2-3 FPS at most on getting a Ryzen 5 or i5 over a 7700k and can put the money you save on a better GPU which will actually make a difference.

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>>60316757
1920x1080?
what do you need 1080p for?

>>60316757
B-but I need to know which CPU is the best for playing CS 1.6 at 640x480!

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>>60307107

>Balance
vs
>Gayming

>>60315871
>Most didn't even take advantage of all the resources as evidenced by most ports running better on the Tri-core Xbox 360

the xbox had 6 hw threads
besides they run better on xbox because the games are probably more video card bottlenecked

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>>60316990
I gotchu senpai https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/04/11/amd_ryzen_5_1600_1400_cpu_review/4

>>60307582
yeah, it will be like this for every cpu shilling thread we'll encounter on this board

>>60307107
(((intel)))
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/intel-and-israel

>>60317255
Pack your bags everyone, Ryzen is eternally blown the fuck out. Going to my nearest Best Buy© to buy an Intel© i7™ 7700k. How will they ever recover from this?

>>60317166
Now that's an awesome picture I want to save.

Goes straight to the point and saves me from typing shit for hard-headed Intel fanboys.

>>60307582

the new narrative is even funnier, AMDrones claiming software updates will fix any poor product released by AMD

I just don't understand 4chan sometimes.

Every counter-culture nerd on this board desperately tries to push the underdog of everything, even when it doesn't make sense. Linux on desktop, AMD for gaming. On other boards it's how women are sluts and are inferior to men while they have 10 porn tabs open. This board is just filled too high with mentally ill snowflakes who want to justify their existence by, quite literally, acting like retards. Human waste.

>>60317370
that's nice

>>60308001
>buying an A-POO
kek

>>60317323
JUST WAIT

SURELY IF WE WAIT LONG ENOUGH INTEL WILL FINALLY BE BTFO

>>60317393
Triggered by the truth enough to respond

Self-aware enough to know there's no defense for your retarded behavior.

There's hope for you yet, kid.

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>>60307107
>Ryzen annihilated Intel's core series

Really makes you think, when not a single Ryzen CPU is in the top 5, and their fucking FX chip is outselling it

>>60317458
Your post is so shit it got BTFO several hours ago.
>>60309937

>>60317323
Those fixes have been out for more than a month now.

>>60317494

and fiji, poolaris and zen's poor performance have all not been fixed. really makes those neurons fire, doesnt it

>>60317480
Lol those best sellers are updated hourly

The fucking 7700k is the best selling CPU and it's been out for 5 months

>>60317445
maybe not all of us are retarded fanboys and choose whichever is best for us personally?

>>60317458
LOL. I mean, it makes sense. Ryzen is a very poor choice right now.

>>60317541
>Ryzen is a very poor choice right now.

Agreed and the market is responding accordingly.

I don't know why AMD fags can't accept reality.

>>60307107
Does it respect my freedoms?

>>60317536
Doubtful. /g/ is kind of similar to that Hot Topic trend back in high school. You used to see all those mall goths wearing the "You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the same" tee shirts, but of course the irony was lost on them.

>>60317556
Is an i5 7500 really a better buy than the 1500x or 1600? I can't see how.

>>60317607
If you literally only play video games, sure

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AMD for life

Is this the new Intel shill tactic? Blindly insult AMD buyers instead of posting day 1 benchmarks we've seen 1,000 times?

>>60318062
Not even a tactic, it's just shitposting at this point.

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>>60317607
The non-K Intel CPUs are pretty garbage. The 1500X is dead even with the i5-7500 at stock and beats it with OCing. Also look at the minimums on the i5-7500, it's pretty bruital.

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OH LAWD
>16c/32t
>ES running 3.1Ghz Base - 3.6Ghz Boost

>https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-engineering-samples-update

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>>60317607
Yes pretty much objectively

The only Ryzen's I would consider would be very low end, 1400 maybe

>>60318141
Threadripper more like Intel .. ripper. I got nothin'

That shit's hawt though.

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>>60318146
How about you post something that 1. isn't retarded with the worst i3 on it, 2. actually has the i5-7500.

>>60318141
>https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-engineering-samples-update
>AMD Gardenia
>AMD Tambourine
>AMD Mandolin
??? Why are AMD testing old 4c/8t CPUs? Why are they even bothering when the i3-7320 murders the Ryzen 5 1400 and 1500X?

>>60309937
>R7 1700
Followed by
>>R5 1600
Oh wow, I'm actually impressed that people are not being srupid this time around and got the best bang/buck for their builds.

I'm very pleased with the Ryzen lineup. Hopefully it will increase competition.

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>>60317458
>It's more popular so it must be better
>lol if it's good why isn't it outselling everything else

Good one

Brand loyalty is a bitch. Market share. Advertising all over the media. It's tough for small companies to compete at that level. You see Intel adverts on TV (faggot from that shit comedy show in it). Never ever seen an AMD advert.

>>60318141
>12c/24t and 16c/32t at those clocks
How the fuck will intel recover?

i've read this thread and still didn't understand is Ryzen really that good because customer reviews say about many headaches with mobos and other stuff

>>60318292
Doesn't matter whether it's good or not, it's not selling.

Ryzen can't annihilate anything if nobody buys it.

>>60318361
AM4 is going through similar growing pains that the 1366/1156 and 1155 sockets went through at their launch. If anything, AM4 has had less severe issues that might lead to motherboards getting recalled due to faulty chipsets.

>>60318209
For the same reason they only compared their chips to Broadwell-E, they want to scam the shit out of people

AMD loves to fudge their numbers in the most misleading ways possible, their marketing is awful

>>60318420
t. schlomo shekelsbaum

>>60318361
I would only consider buying Ryzen if you do a lot of video editing/encoding/rendering. It's basically a specialized workstation chip.

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how come /v/ermin flooding /g/ again? buyers remorse?

>>60318441
t. paid AMD shill

>>60318451
It also happens to be pretty good at games if you're into that.

>>60318480
It's only OK at games

>>60318409
>>60318451
>>60318480
you guys confusing me even more. i choose between locked 7700 and r5 1600 and i just want it to serve me for years

>>60318209
Because it's what they want to beat, they are focusing on them.

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>>60318495
>It's only OK at games
How so? I haven't seen it struggle at all in any gaming reviews or benchmarks. Seems to be quite good.

>>60318512
I'm in the same position as you and going with amd because it's a fresh platform that will get updates and a better value

>>60318512
>recommend intel
LOL SHLOMO FUCK OFF
>recommend amd
LOL FUCK OFF POOJEET

please figure it out yourself, brandloyalty will kill every 'discussion' on /g/

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>>60318538

>>60307107
HAHAHAHA AMDROIDS THINK THER SHITTY RYPOO CAN COMPETE WITH INTEL HAHAHAHAHAH

>>60318564
because people even notice 8 frames when playing when both are over 100

>>60318554
i don't have any brand loyalty and live with shitty laptop for three years already. i'm starving for capable desktop pc
>>60318544
also leaning towards ryzen but those motherboards reviews man. i'm not even sure i'll build my pc and it will work with a current state of this platform

>>60318588
You are mad because you are angry

>>60318564
So it's about 10% worse in games (well over the threshold of acceptability) while offering more headroom for background tasks and it's on a platform that will be around for 4-5 years? I'm sorry, why would anyone buy intel again?

>>60318564
>>60318610
Also, isn't there a problem with Nvidia's driver when working with AMD Ryzen?

>>60307538
They merge /wwe/ to /asp/ and now /asp/ basically /wwe/.

Nagasaki will only merge Hiroshima into one.

>>60318623
no, it's just shit drivers.
Kaby can brute force them, but if you have old Ivy Bridge, you are not better off.

>>60318610
The $340 7700k is beating the $500 1800X

Ryzen is pretty awful at gaming desu senpai

>>60318662
>The $340 7700k is beating the $500 1800X
Shame that you are factually incorrect.

>>60318601
>also leaning towards ryzen but those motherboards reviews man. i'm not even sure i'll build my pc and it will work with a current state of this platform

Yeah that's a big issue for me too, I just don't trust AMD's stability. I use my computer for work and can't afford any fuck ups.

>>60318662
back to >>/v/

>>60318671
You might want to look at it yourself, it's sadly 100% true.

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>>60318671
>The $340 7700k is beating the $500 1800X
In a few games now, sure. It won't be in a year or two though. Games just can't utilize an 1800X to its full potential.

You could make the same assessment about intel cucking their own HEDT line with the $340 7700k beating the 6900k right now. Guess which chip is going to be obsolete first?

>>60318704
6900k because it's motherboards will be thrown out of the shops and burned a year before 7700k once.

>>60318726
?

You talking about the same Z270 boards that review shill sites have 5.0 GHz 7700k's strapped to?

>>60318704
"Just wait"

This argument is so stupid, why do AMD fags always fall back on this ridiculousness.

>>60318748
You don't have to wait for anything with Ryzen. It's within striking distance of intel's offerings and will shit on them in the future if it isn't shitting on them now. It's not a hard concept to understand.

>>60318748
>Just wait for Coffee lake
No, it's Intelshills fall back.

>>60318780
>shitting, shitting, shitting
who makes posts like these?

>>60318780
>it's "good enough" and if we "just wait" it will be even better

AMD fag rationalizations off the charts

>>60318803
>it's "good enough" and if we "just wait" it will be even better
This is unironically true though, but hey, enjoy your 8% FPS advantage at 1080p/144Hz gaming while you have it I guess. I haven't owned an AMD processor since I moved on from my Phenom II years ago. Brand loyalty is for retards.

>>60318833
Sorry I don't buy things that are just "good enough"

>>60311947
The amount of Jew in this post is fucking Prime Minister of Israel tier.

>>60318860
So you only play video games and build a new intel PC every year then? kek, this is now the market niche for intel I guess.

>>60313436
holy what what am i reading

surely you cant be this retarded

>>60307784
y--y-y-ou s-say what 6-6-6-6600k s-s-s-ttu-tu-tu-tterlake?

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>>60318916
You realize that Intel is way better than Ryzen at nearly everything, not just video games

>>60312592
>itty-bitty difference between single core performance
>ranges from 3 to 12 fps gap from top end Intel chips
>anything made to utilize 4+ cores, the Ryzen dominates

Naw, I'm getting the R7-somethingX, either this gen or Zen+/Zen2.

>>60307563
95....dude chill

>>60307107
What is the new socket called? Is there more than one new socket?

>>60319120
Ahhh, there's those benchmarks. Buyers remorse I guess?

>>60319235
AM4

AM4 is stated to be good for Ryzen, Ryzen+/2, and Ryzen3 at least.

No other sockets announced / released yet for AMD consumer electronics.

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Got to love those non-thinking shills with their silly muh AMD long-lasting sockets arguments. Like the fact that AMD keeps using the same socket much longer because they can't afford to upgrade their platform in a timely fashion.

>$1000 Intel chip performance for $400
>8 cores, 16 threads for under $400
Yeah, like I'm going to pay $400 for a CPU and then pay another $400 for a CPU that's 5% faster 2 years later that's limited to the same socket.

I've had the AMD AM2 borad and I've had a AM3 board and I'm still using a FM2+ board. I've never bought a motherboard and later upgraded the CPU on it, ever. By the time it's worth upgrading we've already moved to new RAM and ports and interfaces and so on.

Also, the Ryzen's aren't budget CPUs. They are barely comparable to Intel's offerings in the same price-range. If AMD were making budget parts and giving you the amazing bang for the buck they used to then Ryzen R7s would be priced as Intel i5's and Ryzen R5's would be priced like Intel i3's.

>>60319339
So, you planning on changing you cpu every year?

>>60313436
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=i%27m+fucking+retarded+what+does+ipc+stand+for+%3A%5E)

>>60319449
But keeping the same socket for several generations makes sense. Changing the socket every generation is retarded

>>60319471
Still it is pretty useless for a consumer. They said they will support it until 2020. Now is almost middle of 2017. Unless you are planning on changing your build in less then 3 years, then it is useless.
Also, while they said that socket will be supported, they said nothing about chipsets. So, wait for new X380 chipset which will be required to unlock the full potential of zen+

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>>60319120
Nope.

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>>60319120
>>60319560

>>60319453
Nope.

Get top end everything except this CPU gen, it's going to be a R5-1600.. then in two/three years I'm going to switch it too a R7-3800X (or whatever their top chip is called at the end of AM4) for a few years longevity.

>>60319560
>>60319570

>>60319120 confirmed eternally BTFO.

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>>60319120
>>60319560
>>60319570

>>60318662
Well I'll be damned, he forgot to mention the 6800,6900, and 6950x would also all lose to the 7700k. Hmmmmm I cant help but wonder why he'd not include those as well.............

>>60319609
>my pictures made by some random dude are different from your pictures made by another random dude
>btfo
You, bench posters from both sides, are literal retards. Doing this pointless shit every day, when it is obvious that each of you have comparable amount of these cherry picked "benches".

>>60313676
Volta is likely Q2 2018 and it is already confirmed to not be a new arch or anything. Just a more refined process and a bit more CUDA cores. ~15-35% performance improvement and lower power usage.

AMD will likely release a Vega refinement in Q2 2018 which roughly matches it, with Navi likely coming late Q4 2018 which will completely BTFO Volta.

Nvidia seems to have completely lied about Volta all these years. There's no new arch coming. The new arch was small steps from Maxwell>Pascal>Volta.

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>>60317458
>>60317541 (Samefag)
>>60317556 (Samefag)
I honestly want to make a new thread just to point out how completely BTVO you are. Top 10 for recent sales is almost entirely Ryzen.
I haven't seen someone so completely BTFO on /g/ all week.

I'll let someone copy this image and link to your post with a "what did he mean by this?" instead.

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>>60319705
New releases are not bestsellers. Why are you getting triggered by literal fact that amazon top sellers are mostly intel and fx?

>>60319654
>NVIDIA lies... again
What did you expect?

>>60313436
Huh, I guess the Pentium 4 670 has higher IPC than every Intel CPU prior to the i7 2700K then.

>>60309982
AMD should be marked .93, all of them have two heads, and amd's heads slightly bigger

>>60315899
Well up the b-frames. They're not that costly, and there's significant compression gains to be had.

consecutive B-frames: 1.7% 1.5% 2.4% 19.9% 5.7% 19.8% 4.6% 38.4% 2.4% 3.5%

I don't understand why /g/ gets so butthurt at gaming when the only real reason to buy a consumer desktop nowadays is either gaming or video editing. People here whine that motherboards and other PC parts all have gaming branding now, well that's who's buying them retards. Normies need at most a laptop, Macbook or even just a tablet. Compiling Gentoo is not a valid reason to buy a desktop.

>>60319010
What's funny is no one EVER commented on stuttering before Ryzen came out. People did point out that 4C/48 was slightly smoother than 4C/4T, but that it wasn't a big enough deal to justify buying an i7 solely for gaming. But according to AMD shills you'd think games were completely unplayable on Intel. It's bizarre how fanboys have latched onto this argument when nobody was really complaining about it before, it's pure marketing.

>>60320112
wtf stop making sense

>>60309958
>in 4k and dx12/vulkan
Their whole marketing spin on Vega is that it is built for 4K (HBM2, pipeline optimisations to cull unnecessary data, 256 TMUs) and has a ton of scheduling optimisations under the hood. Not to mention AMD already having the best dx12 support (on an architecture from 2011) and likely having built Vega specifically with dx12 and Vulkan in mind.

They for sure won't win in dx11 against the 1080ti, the thing just brute forces performance in anything. Volta will definitely slap Vega in the face as well, but how badly it will do so depends on when consumer Volta hits the market.

I don't think AMD needs to beat the 1080ti anyway, since many people running that GPU (or 2) will need a beefy CPU as well, which means they will likely have R7 as well. Don't try to tell me that these people are going to get a 7700K instead, considering they aren't playing nothing but CSGO at 1080p

Bunch of loser crybabies who fell for Jewtel meme ITT

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAGAGAGAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

FUCKING.GLORIOUS.LMAO.

>>60320198
whats even more funny is that it only seems to happen to skylake and kabylake 4c/4t cpus

older ones doesnt seem to have it

>>60320239
Volta is Pascal. Its not a new arch. And no, with front-end that does not suck Vega10 will rape absolutely everything.

>>60313351
>actually LESS IPC per clock
>actually less instructions per clock per clock
I see where you're going with this and don't disagree, but you could have expressed it much better. On the bright side, you might be one of the three people on this board that knows what IPC even means (and no, it does not mean MOAR JIGGERHURTS)

>>60313436
>Higher clock=more ipc=you lie
>:thinking:
Man, they sure did increase IPC on Pascal from Maxwell, thank god for node shrinks and overclocks! Brb, increasing the IPC on my 290, who needs Vega right?

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>>60320112
REEEEEEEEEEEE GO BACK TO /V/

>>60318746
6900K runs on X99, anon

>>60320112
Regardless, gaming branding is cancer.

>>60313378
>only retards run programs in the backgroinds le xD
>only retards run those well-multithreaded programs ))))
>muh gaymen!
Okay kid, we understood you. Now go back to /v/.

>>60322078
>well-multithreaded programs
Such as?

>>60322176
Your favorite battlefield 1 64ppl multiplayer

>>60322194
>Implying

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>>60322176
I don't know, perhaps:
>>60319560
>>60319570
And these.

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>>60322176
>>60322308
And this.

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>>60322176
>>60322308
>>60322324

>>60322324
>8 cores on par with 10 cores
Holy shit Intel, get your shit together.

>>60320027
i already had.
with faster filter chains.

>>60320306
Then what the hell is up with all these people saying "less IPC than Maxwell"? Is it just people confusing IPC with clock speed as usual and Nvidia have just upped the CUDA core count at the cost of clock speed relative to Pascal?

Kind of shit that Nvidia have horrible hardware-implemented scheduling and would choose to reuse an architecture of that calibre twice. Unless they have some miracle DX12 optimised arch behind the scenes and Maxwell 3.0/Volta is just to bide time.

>>60322324
why intel is on top?
AMD starts with A.
so alphabetical order.