/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

Occasionally when I turn my T410 on it fails to boot with a fan error so I think I need to open and clean it, at least as a starting point. Is it easy?

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My girlfriend really wants a ThinkPad but she wants a pink one. I guess I should get the x220/x230 and paints it pink.
How hard should it be? What paint should I use? Which parts I shouldn't mess with?

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>>60305994
Just get a laptop skin
Painting it will look tacky once it get scuffed up and fingerprint marks.

>>60305994
cum on her keyboard

>>60306008
Where do you get laptop skins? I don't actually want something too complicated like an animu skin with kawaii and sugoi all over the place, a solid color is enough.

I can buy a w540 for a great price but that trackpad is the worst. I have seen a t450 trackpad on a t440 and a x250 trackpad on a x240 but CAN YOU do the same on a w540?

>>60306128
Yes, they all can.

>>60305994
>My girlfriend really wants a ThinkPad
It's okay anon. You can tell the truth here. We won't judge you for wanting a pink thinkpad.

Got a x61 with a probably dead motherboard so thinking about replacing the motherboard with a x60 motherboard and libreboot it

yes or just get a x200 and libreboot that?

Does anyone have any experience with installing Debian on a t470? Mine's arriving in a couple days. I fiddled around with debian briefly like 5 years ago, I remember having trouble with wireless drivers on my laptop and giving up. I'm pretty much a noob, will I run into any difficulty?

>>60307112
my expectations are that it wont be hard to get wifi working as I expect it to work out of the box rather.
dont take my words on it but thats just what I expect

>>60307136
>I remember having trouble with wireless drivers on my laptop and giving up
Sounds like Debian. Just install noobuntu.

Hey /tpg/

does the x220 mcdonelltech guide on hackintosh work for OSX Mavericks?

>>60306954
older = better

>>60307868
how? in what perspective

>>60307947
In opsec wise

/tpg/, tell me about your experience with eGPU setups.

Is it ok to run win10 on a T420 even though lenovo doesn't support it?

Is the Thinkpad 13 a shitter? I like the price and weight, but the warranty is significantly shorter than a T/X series.

>>60308939
Through my lurking of /r/Thinkpad, consensus is it's ok but not T/X good

>>60308939
It's "decent".
Better than any ideapad or shitpad or other consumer laptops, but worse than T/X/P series.

>>60305994
I have not done it myself but I assume this method will work:

1. Disassemble and detach lid + bezel
2. Mask screen with newspaper and tape
3. Mask thinkpad logo on the top
4. Clean parts you want to paint with soap and water and wait until dry
5. Spray prime the desired parts with black/white primer (spray a thin layer and wait for it to dry)
6. Use an airbrush or spraycan to slowly add layers of the desired color to each part and wait until dry
7. Spray a layer of matte or gloss finish in order to create texture and protect your paintjob
8. Reassemble when finish is dry

>buy new x230 battery off ebay
>specifically get the one that says it is 58Wh
>check it out with hwmonitor
>48Wh
>get a message from them today asking me to contact them for any problems and not leave negative feedback
They know.

X1C worth it? Company is paying.

>>60310243
What other laptops are they offering to pay for?

>>60310243
P70

>>60310243
depends what you want to use it for

>>60310297
Get a fully specced P70.

>>60310344
with all the goodies like bags and docks and external hard drives

>>60310273
>>60310312

Pretty much any business laptop. It's a really materialistic and image based company so it has to look good. I just need portability I guess.

>>60310352
It's a work machine not a party bag

>>60310382
If you want lots of battery life, go for a T470s with big battery or a X270 with big battery and go for the best screen

>>60305994
You managed to convince your girlfriend to at least consider a Thinkpad? What's your secret? I can't seem to convince my gf that her Surface is shit, even though she's currently on the third replacement unit.

>>60308786
Yes, but the question is, why would you bother when you get a free license for Windows 7 with the computer, which works perfectly fine?

>>60310243
The newest ones are probably better than the equivalent 14" T-series, just because of the screen. Since more or less every model is using the low voltage processors now, you may as well go for the best one since cost is no object.

On the t420 (I assume others?) when you move allong the bottom (under the curvature) of the trackpad a little swirl icon appears where the cursor is, anyone know what this is?

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What are some thinks to watch out for when buying refurbished thinkpads?

I'm meeting the seller in safe location to examine it myself.

>>60311311
Drive caddy, working sub ports, pressure marks on the screen.

>>60311325
Thanks, any other tips?
>pressure marks on the screen
What?

>>60308744
Positive.
What do you want to know?

>>60311006
Scrolling. Horizontal scrolling, to be specific.

x230 or 2570p?
x220 or 2560p?
Why?

>>60311432
>2560p
Optic drive that can be swapped with HDD caddy.

>>60305974
I have found that sometimes this happens if it powers off due to the battery dying. Booting to bios and then exiting fixes the problem.

>>60311432
Thinkpads win in usability, NEET books win in raw performance.

What is your highest pc level in powertop with 520m (x201)?

>>60311432
>>60311517
This applies exclusively to the X2 series, nothing else. At fourteen inches and up ThinkPads win except T4**s

>>60305994
Ever heard of Plasti dip?

Looking to buy a new laptop to entertain me when travelling. Basically I'll just be watching/streaming shows and movies, and doing regular browsing. Good battery, and a generally comfortable interface are all I need. A bigger screen is probably preferred, too. Budget isn't really an issue.

Apologies in advance for shitting up the thread with my newness.

>>60311734
Are you looking to buy a "new" laptop? For what you're doing probably any T or X series after xx30 will do (avoid xx30 and before if you're using it for media, screens are awful and low res).

X220 owner here.

Windows 7 or something like linux mint or antergos? Windows has the advantage of official drivers, so the fn shortcuts and whatnots just werks.

But muh linux, it is lighweight and not so hard on the cpu... What to do?

>>60311839
Why not both?

>>60311898
I don't really like the idea of dualbooting. And also, small SSD.

>>60311839
>antergos
>lightweight
shit is sluggish as hell on my X230 with XFCE. Mint MATE or Ubuntu MATE is the answer.

>>60311799
Yeah, I'd prefer it new. I don't know if that really changes anything.

Is an x230 2.6ghz in above average condition with the port expander for $200 a good deal? I might try to talk seller down to 180.

/TPG/ why does the CTRL-keys on my T410 not work? I switched the for the Win-key but I'd like it to work regardless!

how to get battery life to the max on linux

I have a t420

I can't afford a new battery
this one last about 2h40m

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>>60306008
Laptop skins won't look as good as real paint.

>>60306036
Would rather cum inside her

>>60309796
Sounds like a plan

>>60310436
We are both computer science students and she also has a Surface. She agrees my x220 is easier to work with. Her touch screen doesn't work anymore and some of the (very uncomfortable) keyboard keys dropped.

>>60311549
Will check it out

>>60311517
>NEET books
What did he mean by this?

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>>60306128
fasho

>>60306069
I don't actually use a skin manufacturer but I am sure they do custom ones.

>>60307247
I second this
fugg debian :x

>>60311532
IMO I am recommend an M4700 over a W530 if the buyer wants to upgrade the GPU.
8760W was a beast when I had it.

>>60313301
I love this image, thanks anon.

>>60313273
Install windows

>tfw year ago I did not have a single laptop
and now I have 9 laptops and 6 of them being thinkpads
thank you /g/ also planing to grow my beard like Stallman and install gentoo during this summer

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>>60314151
I posted >tfw but I didn't post any face because no face

>>60314151
>and now I have 9 laptops and 6 of them being thinkpads
congratulations
it only gets worse from here

>>60314151
Same. I own a P50s, a plain T430, a dismantled T430 I bought working for parts, a fully modded T430, and I have a T540p on the way that I'm going to upgrade to max with an Extreme processor.

A year ago I had none of these.

>>60314495
I have one (1) ThinkPad and did actual work on it for the first time today. I meme'd my way into acessories rather than other ThinkPad models and got an ultrabase 3 and 9 cell battery.

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>>60314495
> I'm going to upgrade to max
The never ending job. It never fucking ends.

>>60314607
My gf uses the plain T430 as her main machine, I use my modded T430 as my main machine, and I plan to upgrade the T540p and decide from there if I wanna keep the new modern layout or not.

My P50s is in repair limbo, but I think Lelnovo is about to send me a replacement unit (which they claimed they weren't allowed to do, until I fucking shamed them on fucking reddit).

>>60314696
It does. The only T430 upgrade I'm missing is the WQHD screen, which is a pipe dream anyway.

The T540p is an easy upgrade path though. TouchPad, Processor, Display, RAM, Heatsink and Fan, done.

>>60314716
>It does.
No, it does not. My thinkpad line consist of machines such as
- 701cs
- T30
- T40
- z60m
- T60 (x2)
- T61
- X220

>>60314716
Haven't gone down the modding route yet, though I might replace the screen one day. Mine is an X230. Took it apart yesterday, cleaned dust out and put fresh paste on the processor. Needed something to do while I'm waiting on the RMA for the graphics card of my main PC (hint: don't buy Zotac.)

whats the normal battery life for a 6 cell x220 with ubuntu?

want to know so i can compare to my battery life

Guys, I bought a T430s and I have discrete graphics card on it (NVS 5200m) and I can't find the fuken proprietary drivers for it. The ones recommended by Ubuntu is nvidia-340, but I've installed that and it doesn't give me all the options in the nvidia-setting (I'm missing things like Sync to VBlank and stuff like that. Also it doesn't seem to recognize my screen for some reason). I've also tried searching the nvidia website for the driver and I only got "Linux long lived driver" (whatever the fk that means) and I've checked the version of that driver (375.66) and installed it through the graphics-drivers ppa (nvidia-370) and the same thing, I still miss some some settings. Idk where the hell to search anymore especially since this card isn't exactly popular... help? :\

>Checking craigslist for shits n giggles
>See T61 for $95
>Already have a T430 for school
Should I grab it to satiate my autism and pretend I'm smarter and holier than thou?

anyone here hackintosh a t410 or an e6430?

>>60315620
T61 is a mistake
Get T60 if you manage to find one

>>60315699
Whats wrong with T61 exactly?

>>60315767
>He doesn't know about the thing

>>60315767
T61 have the nVidia GPU issues, but given some of these, I feel its like a 20% chance of getting a bad unit.

>>60315154
Check the BIOS settings. I remember awhile back I had this issue where the BIOS disabled dGPU but it was still detected under a hardware tool.

Also Optimus may need to be turned on or off.

>>60314716
>shamed them on reddit
Thank god you didn't go to TPF about this.

>>60314696
Getting a maxed out 600X or 770X is tough because of the CPU mods needed to be done to get 'THE' ultimate bento box machine.

>tfw 2 flexview ips wuxga thinkpads and a t420s with an ssd for comfy travels
>gf uses my x230t and likes it
life's good /g/

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I've had this beloved machine since my childhood, and I think it's time for a new upgrade. Maybe later on I'll repair this bad boy in case I want to play some DOS games.


Budget: $500
Location: Canada
Size: No Preference
Performance: Mid-High
Other requirements: Floppy drive (if possible), compatability with Debian.
If using modern intel processors, recommend me one that can have the IME neutered.

>>60316598
>2 flexview ips thinkpads
Which ones? T61's?

>>60316402
The T61's are time bombs, not chance based. There are specific model numbers which are invulnerable due to being produced after the fix but unless it's one of those it's bound to go before its time.

>>60316882
Only T61p with nvidia

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BOY WE BOUT TO DO IT

>>60311432
2760p stomps X220/X230 if you ignore the looks

>>60316867
w500 and z61p, although I'm not sure if the z61p is flexview, the angles are better than most

I have an x220

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>>60316882
This why I said 20%
:)

>>60316947
You might as well screencap the whole damn thing.

>>60317257
Found the arch guy

>>60311432
2570p, no other decision, or I'll finger your arse.

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Dumb question time: I set up tpacpi-bat with 30-80 thresholds on my T430s. Does it trigger any time the battery is over 80%, or only when it actually hits 80%?

>>60317420
It will start charging once the battery drops to 30% and stop once it hits 80%. If you have been using it on battery and it gets to say... 50% and you plug it back in, it won't start charging until it drops back below 30%.

>>60317420
As for going over 80%, it won't charge until it drops below the minimum threshold of 30%. The exception would be if you entered a manual charge command such as tlp-fullcharge. In that case, the battery would charge to full, then go back to using your 30-80 threshold.

>>60317525
Yeah, I get that, I'm just curious because it was already over 80% when I enabled it. I guess I can just leave it on the charger and see if it keeps going up.

I am a bit confused.
I checked temperatures with both Speccy and CoreTemp, however under light to middle load CoreTemp shows a temperature of about 50°C on average, while Speccy shows something around 62°C.
Which one should I trust? I recently changed the paste and I also live in a mildly hot country

>>60317819
Speccy also shows your motherboard temps, which are obviously separate from your CPU. You sure you're not looking at that?

>>60317981
I am sure.
I would post screens, but right now my T530 is in an unusable state since it's updating into Botnet 10: Unnecessarily Bloated and not-so-useful Creators Update that is barely any useful for your average user... Pro Edition.

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>>60305994
pink carbon fiber wrap might b cool

>>60317819
neither, use hwmonitor

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>does not come with power adapter

>>60316947
Enjoy possibly the worst 'Thinkpad' ever made!

>>60318330
But that's the X1C 2nd gen.

>>60318330
nice meme

>>60318382
why specifically the second gen?

>>60318393
keyboard

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>>60318393
Ultra shitty ULV processor.
Worst keyboard in the history of mankind.
No trackpoint buttons.

Just look at the beauty int he picture.

>>60318434
And I forgot, it also has few ports.
One of them being an abortion of a "mini ethernet port". No RJ45 for you.

>>60318434
I want to snag one and swap out the keyboard (I actually like the adaptive touch bar), but I doubt just snipping off the 6th row of a normal keyboard will work.

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>>60318434
jesus fucking christ
>>60318467
they're still running mini ethernet aren't they?

>>60318530
You can't change the keyboard.

>>60318546
Thanks Sherlock, that's literally what I just said.

>>60318599
No, you didn't understand. You can't take the keyboard off the X1 Carbon.
Easily at least.

>>60318434
I still wonder, how do you Caps Lock on that abomination of a keyboard?

>>60318630
You don't (at least it doesn't look like it without some key combo).

I actually wouldn't care about that.

Caps lock is probably one of the most useless keys that are used and I don't get why it's so obnoxiously large. I could easily live without it because a giant physical key.

>>60317471
>>60317525
Why do this?

is there a good guide for dell and/or elitebook models?

>>60318434
nice macbook

>>60318382
Got me there

>>60318630
I think they have it as double shift

>>60318825
Did you follow DankPads?
Wikidpedia has a decent amount of info on lattys

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x220 is such a good dock :^)

>>60309839
Claim full refund and keep the item

is libreboot or coreboot flashable with an orangepi?

>>60319821
si

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>first thinkpad comes with botnet 10 home edition REEEEEEEEEE

getting rid of this virus right now

>>60319579
spoiler that shit bro

>>60318722
Keeping the battery fully charged shortens its lifespan. Completely discharging it also does this.

So the ideal way to maximize battery lifespan is to keep it from doing either. Hence, charging thresholds.

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Any suggestions if you are missing the display locking tabs for x220? Just thought about putting velcro down. Just bought the thing for 200$

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>>60314151
What are they?
because of /g/ I built a PC, then six months later got my first Thinkpad and fixed it up.

Lets see... I think in my first year I went with the following
>X61T
>X61s was bought because it had 4GB RAM and was like $100 at the time
>bought 4 thinkpads while drunk, T20, T22, A20m, A22m, all were broken except one and still are broken lol
>found a random 380XD at a local pawn shop and paid like $40, shizz wasn't good :x

Pic unrelated someone on FB did this.

>>60320197
>T60 with W10
Somewhat impressive.
Is that a 14" or 15" model?
Although the 14" lacks IPS displays, the build quality on that thing was superb.

>>60320896
shouldn't cost more than $20, you might be able to buy a second screen a little bit over that price with good latches
What is broken with your X220?
I think I had to retape my X61T's latches for it to work again.

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Just got my T540p. This TouchPad is worse than I could have ever imagined.

I'm thinking about (((vlogging))) my mod journey on this thing, since I plan on upgrading it to an Extreme Processor, flashing the BIOS to allow overclocking, upgrading to the GPU heatsink to dissipate better, get the fan with the largest vents, swapping the TouchPad, putting in a 3K display, and if I get lucky enough and snag a cheap W540 motherboard, I'm going to throw that in here because it gives me a much better GPU and two extra RAM slots and I want to fall for the 32GB meme (my P50s has 2x 16GB DDR3L, unfortunately the xx40 series doesn't accept more than 8GB a stick).

Anyone interested in a mod guide / vlog for the "modern" xx40 series?

>>60321516
Oh, I'm also going to be making a T430 from scratch build once my fan and new motherboard comes in, which will include the overclocking guide.

>>60321449
Have any idea where I could get the locking tabs? Searching for it yielded poor results.

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>>60321563
This is what you are looking for?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322510197413

>>60321908
Yes actually, I don't normally like tripfags but [spoiler]thanks[/spoiler]

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>>60322012
It's okay, I'm a deserter from /o/, tripfagging is totally fine there.

>>60321449
Nigga, I am slightly disappointed you can't tell the difference between the 14" and 15" models.

That's 14". If they made them with a SXGA IPS, it would literally be perfection.

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>>60321516
vlogging is only jewish if

>you're an actual jew
>it's behind a paywall
>you beg for patreon shekels
>you don't do any of the actual work yourself

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>>60322251
I don't plan on doing anything of that, but I will have a bait thumbnail

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>>60322263
new version.

god this hurts to make

>>60322263
>>60322321
too small font
cut it to BUILDING A LAPTOP!?

>thinklets

will they ever learn?

sub-par products for too much money.

>>60322251
>is only jewish if
>you're an actual jew
your conditional is a bit long

>>60309839
> >get a message from them today asking me to contact them for any problems and not leave negative feedback
Every seller does it, but I'm assuming you're just joking about that part. Even the person who sold me the GodJesus X200 tablet with the super sturdy hinge and battery with only 60 cycles on it.

>>60322405
It's an either/or for that list.

Some people need to be reminded jew isn't always a euphamism.

>>60313301
"just put SSD in it" is serious shit, when the machine is at least a later Core 2 Duo one. I do lots of disk-intensive stuff, though. On the other hand, web browser crapboxes don't need to participate in the SSD meme.

>>60321516
You should have just bought a P50 for $600 on the outlet when they were discontinuing it. A T/W540 can never be good.

>>60322513
Would have had garbage specs. For $800 I can build a $2500 P50 and there will be close to 0 difference between the two, aside from incremental CPU improvements.

>>60322263
>>60322321
Cringely clickbait, you're not building squat.

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>>60322513
>>60322527
Oh and the GPU but I don't care for that.

New bait thumbnail. r8 and h8.

>>60322477
Even FB machines can benefit. But it's also fair to say that they'd benefit just as much (with no monetary/hardware investment) from a ramdisk for internet cache.

>>60322527
Nah, even the lowest spec P50 would beat the best you could have gotten on a T540p.

>>60322570
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Just got my t460, any tips for how to de-bloat it?
Do I need all the lenovo crap? This is my first time using windows in ages, how can I make it as clean as possible?

>>60322630
install Gentoo

not even sarcastic

>>60322654
I will at some point, but for now I want to just stick with windows

>>60322585
Best case for the T540p vs worst for P50, you've got a 4900MQ vs 6700HQ and GT730M vs M600M. P50 also has a significantly better chassis and supports up to 64GB RAM an 2x M2.

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>>60321516
I'm interested anniki :)

>>60322854
I'm putting an extreme in the T540p, and overclocking it. T540p also gets 32GB of RAM when you swap in a W540 motherboard (cheaper than just buying a W540).

The GPU is where it really loses.

Are there any issues with the X1 carbon? The new one?

I want something really portable, and I'm getting about an 800 dollar discount on a top of the line X1C. But I'm a faggot who has no character so I have to have /g/ decide for me.

>>60322790
Format your hard drive and do a clean Windows install. Then follow any of the 1000 generic Windows debloat guides.

>elitebook 810 g1
>elitebook 2170p
>thinkpad x131e
which one?

>>60322867
I'll give you that a haswell XM may be a few % faster than the 6700HQ especially if you manage to OC it despite it throttling at stock, but isn't that a few hundred dollars just for the CPU? And you're still missing new CPU instructions, M2 slots, DDR4, TB3

>>60323235
Performance wise it all comes out to cheaper performance per dollar. And yes, the XM is like $350 - $400. It's the priciest part by far.

It's not better than *just* the 6700HQ, it's better than ANY processor on mobile, including the new Xeon at stock, both on single thread rating and all cores.

You misjudge how small the incremental updates are.

>>60321411
What is that, a franken-business laptop?

Also, what size does a mSATA SSD drive have to be to fit in a T530? Half or regular?

>>60323235
>>60323265
Also lol, it doesn't throttle on stock. It's been done before on the W530. All 15 inch systems have significantly better cooling systems, and I'm upgrading the heatsink and fan.

my T430 runs my 4830QM @ 4.2GHz just fine.

>>60316664
So like $250 real dollars

I'm in the same boat except I don't even have that much AND my phone is shittered

>>60323377
my w540 throttled at stock, google to find many other reports of it. the 530 was a better design

>>60323000
does this mean I have to pay for a new license?

>>60323449
I did my fair share of googling, including some just now.

It looks like the machines have software issues related to throttling, NOT cooling issues. No reports of it overheating, just retarded throttling.

That makes it a non-issue, since a modified BIOS can turn off BIOS throttling.

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>>60323510
>4chan general thread operator
>how may I direct your request?
>>>/g/sqt

>>60323526
It would be nice if it was so simple

>>60323746
Except it is.

BIOS mods let you change throttle thresholds, both the temps and power usage.

Quit moving the goal post.

>>60323893
(It even lets you disable them entirely so you can burn your house down or use a software solution)

>>60323893
It's kind of strange that no one's done this before if it's so straightforward, given it's one of the main issues with the W540. However, given how much people dislike this model, it wouldn't be that surprising if no one's bothered.

Also, I think throtting is determined by the EC in that series.

>>60313963
>hating Debian
Just get the nonfree drivers, it's not a big deal. You can't use Linux as your main system if you give up everytime something doesn't just work

>>60315767
I have T61, but you can check the thinkwiki for problems. As said in here >>60316402, nvidia gpu were shit back in the 2007-08 and often time killed computers when they overheated and cause a lot of fucking artifacts. If you want to get T61, be sure to check that it only has intel iGPU on it. Intel X3100 is low power shit, thus making it more reliable and consistent because atleast it won't burn your house down and kill itself.
tl;dr Nvidia GPU are a meme, get intel iGPU for a reliable machine.

>>60323221
2170p
That certainly would be interesting to see

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>>60321411
Well, I went to actual meme and bought X220. I planned to use this as my GNU/Linux learning platform. A little later I found out that someone was selling a T30 for 10€ so I thought I would get it. I was sure it was from here that I started to dig my own grave because this computer was terribly packed and did not have anything else except the computer itself. Later on I bought cmos battery because I though it was problem but then I found out it was under SVP password. I was like wtf is this? This computer alone, was a paperweight for me about 5-6months because I did not have slightest clue what to do.
After I managed to open it, to my surprise, it actually had 1400x1050 screen which, from what I know, is quite valuable and definitely more than 10€ lol.
And recently I broke my X220 keyboard and I'm waiting for its replacement. (I need to stop playing with water)
Other thinkpads that I own are
>X220,T30,T40,T60(x2),z60m,T61,701cs
So they are quite old machines but plenty enough for me and my doings.
I lurked my local ebay-type website a lot to spot good deals. I certainly have made some bad deals and payed too much for old machines but I do think that the botnet freedom is that expensive nowadays.

I'm also checking these computers for possible use as a travel laptop all the way to Siberia. Siberia teaches.

So the latest macOS sierra update has pretty shitty brightness controls on the X220

Should I hunt down an installer for the previous point update (10.12.3) or just use El Capitan?

P50 or T470?
And why Lenovo models are botnet?

>>60324746
p71

i just had to replace my t420- the trackpad had stopped working, and after i opened it up to examine it and powered it back on the motherboard was just completely fried, nuked the hard drive very quickly, getting cmos/clock errors etc. i was worried i did it but after testing the replacement in various ways i'm remembering different things about the old one that was letting on that the mobo was already on the way out which made me feel better- applications not launching at random, a previous hard drive failure, graphical glitches in games, overheating etc. anyway i got the new one for a great price and it functions much better so i'm happy overall.

>>60325187
i had this one game that would sometimes start in wine but also sometimes wouldn't- it gave me memory allocation errors at random, is what i mean by the application not starting thing.

>>60325259
game runs flawlessly on the new machine

>old thinkpads are still good
Try opening this site
http://www.sarah-asmrotica.com

>>60325486
Not anyone's fault you like listening to fat old whales who don't know how to design a website

>>60325571
Not him, but many sites can't be used with old thinkpads because of the hardware.
Take Facebook and instagram for example.
>inb4 using social media botnet
Some of us have jobs.
>>60325486
Try switching user agent, some sites provide lite version for mobile devices that may help.

Someone bring me up to date on modern thinkpads, I stopped following them around the t430.

I just upgraded from my old t61 to a t420 for basically nothing, probs going to buy a 2720qm for it.

>tfw I'll never have a T470

Woot is selling a refurbed 2015 X1C for about 600bux

is it worth it?

>>60316402
>I feel its like a 20% chance of getting a bad unit.
lol.
You mean 80%. This model was produced with fixed dgpus only for couple of months

>>60318434
>THEY REMOVED FN BUTTON
AHAHAAHAHHA
lelnovo is finished&bankroupt

>>60325486
Works fine for me. I guess an x220 is not an old thinkpad.

>>60325689
Hell yes baby buy that shit up

>>60325626
>Some of us have jobs.

>""jobs""" that require facebook or instagram
>jobs
pick one.

What are the current tablet thinkpad produced?

I've had my X220t for a while and was thinking of something with a better resolution

>>60325851
Have you worked in small business?
Most of these have a facebook/instagram/twitter page.

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I'm considering buying a X220 but i'm not sure that it is still worth. Is it? Isn't there an option with better specs (for the same price) ?

>>60321516
>>60321527
I would definitely watch this.

>>60319579
that macbook is so sexy idc how gay I am for this opinion but that touchpad is amazing

imagine if it had a disable touchpad option and a nipple with dedicated buttons
this laptop would be the greatest

>>60326861
EliteBook 2570p

What Laptop/Tablet should I buy?
I need stylus.

x220t?
x230t?
A more ancient thinkpad?
A cheap yoga/helix/whatever?

An HP 2760p?

One of the first surface models?

I don't need a lot of power. Portability is a plus.

>>60327845
And I'll be running Linux on it, I don't care about windows, so the thing needs a good compatibility between the OS and the hardware for pen input.

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>>60327860
>needs a good compatibility between the OS and the hardware
>going to put Linux on it

ooookay

>>60323941
I'm trying it 100%, so I guess I'll report back.

>>60328078
Fedora and oboontoo should okay with the thinkpads, at least. Other distros need testing, I haven't read much about them and stylus input.

>>60327506
>EliteBook 2570p
You sure? why?

>>60328206
>dual 2,5" drives
>quad core support, up to i7-3940xm
>CL9 DDR3-2133MHz RAM
>no whitelist, you can replace wifi card with intel 7260ac without playing with SPI flasher and soldering shit to your motherboard
also spare parts are much cheaper in 2570p. Especially batteries.

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>>60328372
i see, thank alot anon :^)

>>60328372
>>60328406

i mean thanks*, also wouldn't thinkpads be more durable? initially i was really hoping for the plastic carcass. and why would i want to change the network card?

>>60328078
never had a single problem with compatibility on my thinkpads on arch. other computers on ubuntu derivatives however...............................

>>60328563
i met someone who had a t410 who was running ubuntu and his trackpoint didn't work. never had a problem with it on arch, worked out of the box after installing synaptics and then later switching to libinput

>>60328578
haha this is a mess https://askubuntu.com/questions/37824/what-is-the-best-way-to-configure-a-thinkpads-trackpoint/511281

>>60307247
>debian
Just use a netinstall with firmware.

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post desktops

>>60323941
BIOS settings have thermal management options, which talk to the EC.

>>60329217
The settings aren't available until the BIOS is unlocked, which is why so many people have issues (they don't have the option to change them, so it throttles long before it gets near TjMax)

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>>60328967
fuck off nigger
My screen has more pixels than you do. This is 15 years old

>>60328540
>want to change the network card?
Because n standard is deprecated, and there are no x220/x230 thinkpads with stock ac adapter?
ac 2x2 is 867Mbps, n 2x2 is 300Mbps. And since the 7260 is newer than 6205 it has lower power consumption (about 1W less), which means your laptop should last for 1/5 time longer.when idling/low load.

>>60329696
i really couldn't understand much you just said :(
only that it stays charged for longer

>>60329677
>puppy linux
because running everything as root is a great idea

>>60311325
What if I don't have a Cadillac?

ok. you guys red-pilled me.
just got a t-420 from the pawn shop for $120 i5, 4gb...
looks like it was built with win7, but someone updated it to win8 (not 8.1)
I just wiped it and stuck win10 on it... but now in system, it says it's 32 bit OS on x64 hardware...
how to get this running 64 bit win10?

>>60330849
You install 64 bit Win10 you retard.

Would a D620 be comparable in performance to a T60?

>>60330861
right. but it won't let me open the win10 64bit setup file

>>60330345
True, you don't want give some programs too great access to computer's hdd or in this case a zip disquette because the HDD is dead?
Nothing triggers me more than archfags with anime as their wallpaper. Wasting recourse and powering pixels on for nothing. Black is gud

Should I get a ThinkPad or get again a Toshiba?

My old Thinkpad T61 is finally dead after years and years, looking to get an upgrade.

Looking to get an upgrade but the new keyboards kind of turn me off. What's the last decent spec'd model with the old style keyboards?

>>60330873
You burn the ISO on a DVD, reboot and then press F12 or the ThinkVantage button and select "Choose a temporary boot device" or something along those lines.

>>60330951
Toshiba's consumer line has this cheap "programmed obsolescence" strategy where they sell you something and you have to replace it in a year or two because the performance blows in comparison to when you bought it.

For 14 inches and up, get a ThinkPad (T or W), for 12 inches get an EliteBook, or if it's cheaper, the X series of ThinkPads.

>>60331027
>You burn the ISO on a DVD, reboot and then press F12 or the ThinkVantage button and select "Choose a temporary boot device" or something along those lines.
i was using the USB drive. and the thinkvantage thing worked to get to the choose temporary boot device thing. installing now. thanks for help. now about an hour i'm stuck using the mac...

Just received my refubrished Dell M4700. i7,16gb od RAM, Quadro K2000, 256GB SSD for ~650$
Feels good man

what a good modern version of the t-420?

>>60331224
T70

>>60331171
>$650
Holy shit you got absolutely robbed my man.

>>60331255
these are the prices here in poland. afaik you can't get cheaper on these specs.

Guys, my thinkpad thing is kill. What do I replace it with? Looking for something under 500 bongs/claps/poors.

If not a specific model, what are the essential specs these days? Do I need an i5 for my Civ VI?

>>60331443
Dude that config goes for under $350 on eBay (with that GPU).

>>60331486
I kinda know but
1. quad-core
2. I played it safe. no shady ebay gypsies

How good is the battery life of the T420 and T520?

>>60331560
>quad-core
Nigger you get the SAME CPU for that price. EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.

>>60331607
fuck you and your problems with me wasting my monies. Lemme enjoy muh new bitchin laptop

Which is the best ram for overclocking?
Trying to reach 2133mhz

>>60331026
Hardmodded T430/T530/W530 with a quad core i7.

>>60331595
assuming same specs and same battery size and same battery condition - about the same

>>60331887
No, but close.

Bigger screens use more power.

>>60331757
This. 3840 for the T430, 3940 for the W/T530

>>60331026
T60
Dont listen to this faggot>>60331757
After buying T60, make it a T70 (T-80 ruskii tank XddXD)

Show me the pics of yours x60 I consider pulling the trigger now.

>>60330913
Your screen is LCD so every pixel is always powered on anyway

How do I change a PATA connector to a SATA connector for an IBM era thinkpad(T43 I think)

Getting a Elitebook 820 g3 next week, any one ever used one of them?

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>>60332277
If Richard Stallman uses it then you should also use it

>>60331026
join the T70 ascended deity race

>>60332475
Enjoy your keylocker

>>60331595
Depends on # of cells your battery has, to put it simply
>3 cell ~3 hours
>6 cell ~6 hours
>9 cell ~9 hours
The conversion is direct because for example, a genuine 9 cell has 96Wh capacity, 2nd gen ThinkPads power consumption hovers between ~8-15W when doing normal computer stuff, averaging at ~10-12W.
This is, of course, assuming it's 100% capacity.

Also I've seen here X220's claiming 10h with a 9 cell, which might be possible since it has a small screen and the screen is what draws the most power. A T420 and T520 will have a bit less battery life in the same conditions

https://www.amazon.es/Refurbished-Lenovo-ThinkPad-i5-3320M-Importado/dp/B00TOL6WDA/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494533100&sr=1-3&keywords=thinkpad

will this disappoint me?

>>60332729
At that price, you've already disappointed me for considering it.

>>60332737
Where should I be buying from?

Is $230 a good price for a T420 with an i5, 8gb ram, 900p screen and a 180gb ssd and the dock?

Just modded my X220 with FHD display. It looks goregous, but everything looks tiny. Is there any Linux DE with proper hi-dpi support?

>>60332907
Unity, surprisingly (and unfortunately).

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>>60333121
Unity has a very ugly default theme that's still stuck in 2009
pic related one my old screenshots it can look good

>>60333176
That looks worse.

>>60332392
Is that the T43p? I think that's the only one that's actually SATA internally.
You're going to need to be handy with the soldering iron, or know someone who is.

>>60332886
No, too much. $150-175 max

>>60332907
Where did you get your mod and is it still available?

>>60332886
I paid 120 pound for a near identical laptop. if those are US dollars then it'll be a no from me.

>>60328372
>I7-3940xm
>55w
>12" laptop
Yagoodluckwiththat

>>60329878
wifi n standard is at least twice slower than ac.
If you use wifi network to access your home server or you just got a fast internet connection then this will hurt to use.
Intel centrino 6205 (best allowed card for x230, unless you sacrifice web camera and you get 3 wifi antennas - then the best card is 6300) is power hungry, it generates a lot of heat which transfers to palmrest, and doesn't play well in crowded wifi networks. That's why it's advisable to upgrade to 7260 (newest intel card you can use with minipcie ports).

And even if you're still using n-standard wifi access point then it's better to upgrade to 7260 anyway. My personal experience is 6205/6300 cards getting 12MB/s max read speeds from home server (via standard 300Mbps 3x3 n access point) while 7260 gets constant 18-19MB/s. That's a lot improvement.

>>60332475
Don't.
I got 820 g2 and it's full of software bugs. Keyboard is CANCER, same goes for shitty fingerprint reader, bugged as fuck touchpad and trackpoint. Oh, and it randomly shuts down. Not to mention overheating issues, even when it's just i7-5600u ULV CPU inside.
G3 has some bug fixes, but it's still shit. IPS screen hurts to look at even at 50% brightness. They even removed dGPU option from g3 when they realized this shitty heatsink can't handle 15W+ TDP.
And the battery is known to sometimes caught fire when laptop is """mishandled"""

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>>60332392
It's possible, though I don't know how. This pic is from a site that had a TP modding service.

>>60333446
>55W
lmao. i7-3840qm is clocked 100MHz less, yet it's rated 45W. Beside that it's the same exact chip.
Really makes you think, huh?

>>60333522
Also it's only doable if the T43 has ATI gpu.

>>60328372
you forgot to mention
>literally worse screen than T420, previously thought to have the worst screens available in a laptop
152:1 contrast ratio
1366x768
twisted nematic
l m a o

>>60333635
>comparing 14,1" laptop to a 12,5" subnotebook
l m a o
>implying t420 screen is better
>ignoring the fact that all old shitpads got issue with burns in inner screen layers
>ignoring fact that viewing angles are much worse in t420
>implying most people need more than 1366x768 res in a 12,5" laptop
a y y l m a o

>>60332475
>>60333513

I have a Elitebook 820 G3 as my work laptop and the other anon is spot on about the issues with the G2. I had to endless problems with my G2, had the motherboard changed twice, one new keyboard, new SSD replaced.

Thankfully we are now on a hardware leasing model so we just get the newest HP stuff and if it breaks an engineer either comes out or we get a new one sent.

So far with the G3 I haven't had any issues yet, had it a good 4 months now.

>>60333683
you're right, let's compare to the X230, since it's the direct competitor
>1366x768 still sucks, no defending this
>280 nits to the 2570p's 185
>1037:1 contrast to 2570p's 152:1
>black level of 0.27 to 2570p's 1.1
>IPS to TN
>ghosting/burn-in issues of X220 panels resolved
into the trash you go where HP sourced that panel

>>60333797
The only thing that goes into trash is your sissy-tier dual core cpu you got there.
You can always replace the stock hp panel with IPS x230 one via 51nb extender cable which costs like $5, but you CANNOT get a 45W+ CPU in x230, because intel doesn't produce such CPUs in BGA type, and even if they did x230 has shitty cooling system which cannot be even modded to handle more, because there is no absolutely no free space inside the chasis.
Also which stock hp panel are you referring to? You know there are two, one of them being complete shit?
I don't have such issues with mine, and I used T430 1600x900 screen before I upgraded to 2570p. All I can say is in comparison with t430 screen it's god tier.

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Hello, anons.

I'm a brazilian student and I need a notebook to use in the university library, I have little money (even if I had many money to buy a good thinkpad, I would not buy it, because we have many thefts in Brazil), so I think that thinkpads are a good choice for me.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-867061270-notebook-lenovo-t400-core-2-duo-2gb-ddr3-160g-promoco-_JM

It's the one that i want to buy (470 R$ brazilian currency is very cheap), T400. I asked some brazilian anons about it and them tell me it's a "pé de boi/bull's foot thinkpad" and it's very durable. But one anon told me it's very old and it would give me many problems, not only with battery, but with internal compenents. It's true?

I will install a light linux DE and use it for watch video lessons, open pdfs and docs, acess university portals and use some softwares of mathematics.

It's a good idea? I can't find other notebook with this price or more cheap in brazilian market.

Excuse me for something, i'm a newfag.

>>60333797
and let's not stop there, let's also look at the X230 TN display
>again, 1366x768, you won't hear any defense from me on this
>234 nits
>195:1 contrast ratio
>1.2 black level
>similarly atrocious viewing angles, they are low-end TN panels after all
your next post will tell me all about how you only ever use your desktop monitor with your supposed ultraportable

>>60333898
>two panels, one of them complete shit
>but they're both TN panels so it's a complete lottery as to whether your screen is garbage or not
good job HP

and if we're talking mods then we're talking X330. your shit panel has already been destroyed badly enough by lelnovo stock panels, you don't want it compared to an XPS 13 one.

>>60333524
Yeah and it's still a fucking housefire in a 12" laptop.

Bad idea.

are there significant noticeable improvements between 4200u/5200u/6200u/7200u?

>>60333898
What a retarded argument. You're not running a 45W chip in a 12 inch laptop. Everything but the CPU is either identical or far worse on the HP (ESPECIALLY usability, which is pretty fucking important after raw performance.)

>>60334182
no anon, he ran a stress test for SEVEN WHOLE MINUTES and it didn't burn his house down, it's totally viable

>>60327845
Help me.

>>60308517
>old computers: unpatched backdoor
>new computers: intentional backdoor

You can win in opsec with computers bro; not in this day and age

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>>60333910

Halp pls.

>>60335690
It's being patched officially and can already be patched yourself.

>>60333910
It's completely user serviceable. Replacement parts and chink batteries are inexpensive. Just do it.

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How to hackintosh a T410?

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>>60333460
sorry, went to college.
first off, thanks alot for the info
also, my internet cabled connection only reaches 4.5 MB/s so that's why i guess i won't need to replace this card.
but you said the problem isn't that it CAN'T be changed, but that there are none on stock right (for thinkpad X220)? so for a X220 there wouldn't be alternative except continue with n standard... right?
probably you're not even there anymore so thanks :^)

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>>60335839
Hey anon, also brazilian here
This product claims to be T400 but in the description and in it's image it says R400 which isn't AT ALL recommended by this community as far as i know.
I wouldn't buy it from this ad.

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>>60335972
>>60336573

Thanks, anons.

https://support.lenovo.com/br/pt/solutions/pd005598

I thought that T400 and R400 were one and the same, but it does not seem to be true.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/difference-between-lenovo-t400-and-r400.372719/

"In general, T-series is thinner and lighter than the R-series. The SL-series is a cheaper "multimedia" version of the R-series.

The R400 only comes with integrated Intel graphics and can be configured with a budget Celeron processor. I think you should stick with a Core2 Duo processor instead of the inferior Celeron.

The T400 has an extra option for switchable graphics, meaning you can switch between Intel graphics and a faster ATI graphics. The ATI graphics is better for applications with 3D (like games). For just office applications, the Intel graphics is good enough.

Also, the T400 has a thinner CD/DVD drive. The R400 has a thicker CD/DVD drive.

In terms of price, T > R > SL ."

It's correct?

Thanks for the note, i am going to check it with the seller.

Does MacOS work well with thinkpads?

Will MacOs work on a X11 carbon? Will it hurt battery life?

>>60336826
Yes to the first question, not sure about the second.

I believe MacOS installs require a jewish adapter though. They won't work intel, you need their stupid atheros garbage

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>>60305948
Should I get one of these things and slap in a 250GB 850 EVO? The high school I went to had a lot of these and I liked the look of them.

Currently running off a really beat up HP EliteBook 8440p. Has 8GB RAM and a SSD.

Will I see an upgrade going to a T430? Could get one for about $125 (4GB RAM, i5 model, no HDD)

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>>60333963
Just because you don't like 1366x768 screens doesn't mean other people don't like these.
>>60334018
x230 also has two types of ips panels, one having the ghosting effect while another one is fine. Good job lelnopevovo.
Oh wait, it's good when lenovo does it right?
>>60334182
>You're not running a 45W chip in a 12 inch laptop.
I am, are you fucking retarded?
Stop projecting and accept the fact that this laptop can handle it. You lenovo fags are truly delusional, almost like you got autism

>>60334224
"seven whole minutes" of full load test should be enough to confirm it's working or not, but I'm not gonna teach you how thermodynamics work, aspie.
>>60336488
x220 can be patched to accept any minipcie wifi card, but I was talking about x230.

>>60339249
>>60339292
>Bad thermals and parts are subjective xDDD

>>60339292
oh sorry, my bad

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>>60339297
>bad thermals
stop forcing this cancerous meme.

>>60339532
>stop saying things I don't like to hear >>>>:(((((

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>>60339542
more like
>stop lying

>>60339591
>he keeps posting the same bait image of an 8 second test
I concur, stop lying.

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>>60339606
>typical game stress test, without modified heatsink

what's the succesor to the x220T/x230T?
AKA tablet thinkpad with a screen that rotates.

Wew lad
I rendered a video at 100% cpu usage with my T61 and it stayed about 73c the whole time with T7300.

X220 in the other hand went to 95c in matter of times and it would probably have melted by 24h of that torture.
>>60339624
Care to explain what does this represent? I have hard time believing that 2570p is not a housefire like X220.

>>60339650
there is no succesor to those

>>60339652
Are you blind? It literally says what this is.
>cpu load
>tempreature
>gpu load
yes, GPU has it's own little TDP (10W) and it also produces heat. My old x230 was shitting itself during fallout new vegas gameplay.
>hard time
did you see heatsink of x230/x220 and 2570p?
2570p heatpipe is much shorter, also fan is faster, so heat is being blown the fuck out much more efficiently.
And there is about 2,5mm space in 2570p between the back cover and heatsink, so you can stick 1-1,5mm cooper plate to it so it handles quad cores even better.
Right now I don't see any throttling during 1h gameplay of cs:go, which is known to be cpu intensive.

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>>60339624
>100% util, 60C
>50% util, 85C

>>60339728
>ignoring GPU load
literally eye autism.

>>60339708
>Are you blind? It literally says what this is.
There is blue,red and green line. What are they supposed to represent? That was what I meant to ask you.
>did you see heatsink of x230/x220 and 2570p?
I think I'll have to study this
>2570p heatpipe is much shorter, also fan is faster, so heat is being blown the fuck out much more efficiently.
Das interasting.

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>>60339765
really makes you think, huh?

>>60339777
>91,6% cpu usage
>62,3c temps
>92,01 gpu usage
yeah that makes sense
What processor are we talking about?

>>60339777
>>60339765
and the lines represent different use cases, probably different gaymes tested.
It's clearly written in top left corner "number of files - 3"

>>60339810
well, you're right. Actually I've read original 2570p thread where this was posted and the blue line is 35W quad core (3612qm). Green and red are 45W (i7-3740qm and i7-3840qm)

new thread?