/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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reposting from >>60284142
Going to purchase all the parts tomorrow. So I'd appreciate some last minute opinions.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F4TqJV
Budget is $800.
Mostly gonna be focusing on emulation (Dolphin and PCSX2, no cemu) and playing games from around 2010.
It might be a little much for what I intend to use it for, but I always like the option and want to get the most out of my money. I just want to know if I can get something better for cheaper or for the same price.

For ASUS Prime X370-Pro should I put gpu in the slot away from cpu and m.2 slot if i am gonna use a m.2 ssd? Do I still need extra fans?

Whats a good 1440p 144hz monitor with freesync? Also should i wait for freesync 2 before i get a montior?

>>60285706
dude why are you even asking that? It seems like you have that answered yourself. It's your PC. Pick the layout of the M.2 and PCI Slots that you want. Simple.

>>60285417
I mean for emulation it's overkill. You can make like a $450 i3-7350k HTPC using the igpu to emulate those. But if you wanna emulate 6-12 games at once, ya that build is good.

>>60285753
Freesync 2 will probably cost way more. They must be 1ms response time and have HDR10 support both to be Freesync2, iirc.
That means QLED, OLED, very high quality VA, and other expensive stuff mostly.
I'm waiting for it myself.. but I'm fine spending $1000+ for a monitor.
In the $400-$600 range there's a few choices. That new Nixeus monitor that's on Massdrop for $400, and the MG279Q. I've heard mixed shit about the Pixio. Idk just look at reviews.

>>60285802
because people said that gpu heat can heat up m.2 ssd and you gotta make sure its in a good spot.

>>60285802
Alright thanks. I'll go check out those monitors now.

>>60285802
>But if you wanna emulate 6-12 games at once, ya that build is good.
Perfect. This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you.

>>60285980
Wait.

>>60285952
>Benchmarks are important but, it is just as important to understand what they mean in the real world.

Um.. GPU reviewers test actual gameplay. Perhaps you've heard of a youtube channel called Digital Foundry, or any website that reviews GPU performance for that matter. baka...

btw, refresh rates have reached 200Hz+ (one is a G-Sync monitor), and my 144Hz monitor (XL2430T) didn't come anywhere near $1000. You're just making stuff up now, so I can't take anything you say seriously.

But hey, good luck waiting for noticeable Ryzen optimizations. I mean, they can't be any worse than the Windows Scheduler fix morons thought was coming to make Ryzen soar!

what does ryzen care more about in gayming, dual channel or actual RAM speed? i want to get a 2x8 now but the highest frequency is 2666 while a 1x8 is 3200.

>>60285992
Well I do plan on ordering tomorrow so I have time to spare.

>>60285980
>>60285992
Depending on how important PCSX2 is to you, you might consider going with the 7350k instead of Ryzen. It's like the only use case that a 7350k is even good for. Single threaded performance is king for PCSX2 (and Dolphin as well but Dolphin is much easier to run). I have a 5820k that I have at a modest clock and it's fine for 90% of PCSX2 games even with a fairly low clock but some games can still make it chug pretty badly during certain sequences, just something to consider.

Obviously the 1600 is a much, much better chip for any other kind of PC gaming but if your focus is older 2010-2011 tier PC games and emulation, you really can't do better than the 7350k.

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>>60286037
lol.
Ryzen does PCSX2 more than fine.
There are a few issues with AMD GPUs on it, though.

>>60285998
>reddit formatting

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Anyone have the recent vidya graphs for Ryzen 5s?

I'm looking to get a new monitor and not sure if I should spend it on a 144hz / 120hz if they can't push anywhere close to those FPS.

>>60286065
>Ryzen does PCSX2 more than fine.
Ryzen tier IPC will be fine in 90+% of the situations in PCSX2, like I mentioned. You can't tell me that a 3.8 GHz Ryzen isn't going to experience slowdowns in certain games though, that's just wrong. It's not Ryzen's fault either, it's just the insane nature of PCSX2 emulation.

>>60286072
R5 can easily hit 144hz but it is mostly dependent on your video card

If you have a 1070 you can do 144hz 1080p easy.

>>60286037
>Single threaded performance is king for PCSX2
What?
As far as i remember that thing uses 8 thread

>>60286072
You should wait to see Vega benchmarks on it and how well that pushes 120hz+ on it or not.

Lots of issues currently are Nvidia's driver.

>>60286092
I've seen tons of games running with PCSX2 on Ryzen and it does 60fps fine. And that's on the 1700 that's just 3.3GHz all core most of the time on it. What PCSX2 game(s) don't run well?

>>60286092
My 1700 is able to stream and play PCSX2 with the best settings with zero slow down, even more extensive games like metal gear solid 3.

Please don't make things up

>>60286098
You're thinking of PCSX3...

>>60286098
Nope. Dual core. I believe it can use a third thread for really basic background shit that really doesn't handle much related to the performance.

>>60286109
>>60286115
It depends on the game. FFXII esper sequences, Tales of the Abyss world map screen, etc. Good luck with those.

Believe it or not, of the thousands of PS2 games that exist, some of them are not that well optimized.

>>60286120
oh right

>>60286133
>Believe it or not, of the thousands of PS2 games that exist, some of them are not that well optimized.
getting a dual core because a few games aren't optimized is stupid

Is freesync worth having past 80hz?

Like half these fucking monitors are all "We have freesync technology!!!" then you go look it specifically and they cap out at something stupid like 30-60hz.

If it's not needed for 100+FPS shenanigans just tell me now so I can end this suffering of looking for a monitor with that caps out at like 120hz -144hz Freesync.

>>60286169
freesync and g-sync are great to have but g-sync is way better but only works with nvidia

if you're a poorfag i would get freesync but if you're the type of person who wants the best everything, get g-sync

>>60286164
The dude is building a PC specifically for emulation and older games. He's like the one person out of a thousand that is going to benefit more from a 7350k at 5.0 Ghz compared to a Ryzen with four physical cores and four logical cores sitting idle while he's voltage limited to something like 3.8 or 3.9 GHz while hitting stutters and slowdowns in PCSX2. Give the man what he wants.

>>60286169
40-75 or 40-85hz range is alright.

I can see a noticeable different from 60 to 85. More so than 85 to 120.

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Is 320 a good deal for this its a gtx 1070 XLR8? it would be replacing a MSI r9 390.

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R8? I'm building a small mATX comp that I can use for audio production and video compositing. Playing games would also be nice. I have an older 970 that I don't see good reason to replace. I want it to be as quiet as possible. I plan on setting those crazy 3000rpm noctuas on something that doesn't screech.

>>60285417
why dont use mATX anon? you can save around $30 on motherboard alone and case too of course

>>60286338
Get the 1700 instead of the 1700x.

>>60286326
That's not much of an upgrade outside of power consumption.
The 390 performance isn't far off from the 1070 in 1440p on like half the games from the past 2 years.

>>60286338
is that a fanless PSU?

>>60286359
Really? I've seen benchmarks between the 2 and the 1700X persistently outperforms its non X counterpart in Single core tasks. While single core performance isn't a be all end all for me, the extra 30$ for a 15-20% single core increase seems justified to me.

>>60286398
No

>>60286408
he's saying to get the 1700 because you can OC the 1700 to the levels of 1700X and now you have a cheaper processor with the same exact power

>>60286423
Well you should get one if you're going for quietness

>>60286346
>mATX
I'm still relatively new to this. This is my first ever build so any specific recommendations and reasons?

no bully

what are some good CPU coolers that are compatible with Ryzen out of box without having to wait for a bracket to be sent?

>>60286594
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N85P11559&cm_re=b350m-_-13-144-019-_-Product

something like this, well its cheaper(not $30 like i said tho) but yeah, smaller form factor. and you probably dont need excessive port on ATX like 2nd pci port, so why not get smaller and cheaper build while get everything you need there.

>>60286927
any good leds?

>>60286095
I heard there were serious compatibility issues with the R5 and GTX 10* series cards though?

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How does this look.

>Budget
6-700 max
>intended use
Emulators, Modeling programs, games on medium settings (I still primarily play on consoles), preferably a PC that lasts a few years besides upgrading the GPU and some more storage


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PxtqJV

I have an extra HDD. And my monitor is 1080p 60hz

>>60286981
i'm telling you now that any "budget build to play on medium settings" today is not going to last a few years. if anything a high end build will last a few years, a budget build will last like 1-2 years before you notice how shit it is

i would upgrade to an intel 7700k besides the ryzen if you do plan to upgrade the gpu in the future. at least with intel you will pay slightly more for twice the performance

>>60286840
anyone?

>>60287022
>i would upgrade to a cpu with two less cores! that way it will last longer =)

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How does this look? Gonna order it from chinkland.

>>60287057
Maximum faggotry.

>>60287022
Well, I cant justify getting the 7700k to myself.

Maybe "lasting a few years" is a bit hopeful but I honestly dont plan to use it for much gaming besides a couple MMOs and Overwatch.

I'm only a beginning modeler on a tight budget, is this the best I can do with 700? Should I go above the 1050?

>>60286981
Get a semi-modular or modular PSU. You can often find them for $30-$40 on sale like every other week.
Get at least DDR 2666 memory.
That case is kind of ugly as shit? You could get the Rosewill SRM-01 or Zalman T5.

That's not an awful price for a 1050Ti I guess, but the RX570 is like 70% faster than the 1050Ti for only $55 more.

It's really an overkill build for you, but it's in your budget.

>>60287057
>spending $1000 on ebin chinese floating case
do it and post what you get

Recommend me a CPU cooler for Ryzen that out of box is compatible. No having to get in touch with the manufacturer to send a compatible part

>>60287117
Updated.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r3vCcc

How does this look man? This will net me better performance due to the 570?

>>60287183
Just do some fucking review-reading you useless sack of shit. This isn't spoonfeeding general, your question is basic as fuck.

>>60287215
First time building a PC. How does
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w6y3XH
look for playing games like New Vegas or Civ 5 at a roughly $500 budget?
And any recommendations for good but relatively cheap monitors/mechanical keyboards?

>>60286927
Any other suggestions?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rmvCcc

>>60287277
I assume this reply is not intended for me.

Try it again.

>>60287245
>this isn't spoon feeding general
>everyone is being spoonfed in this thread

kill yourself

Should I go with this monitor?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LJUNMYK/?tag=pcpapi-20
or this one?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-24-led-qhd-gsync-monitor-black/5655614.p?skuId=5655614&ref=199&loc=8BacdVP0GFs&acampID=1&siteID=8BacdVP0GFs-9j.vLvvPWqw69m6d4pcBjg

Both are 1440p g-sync at 144Hz but I'm leaning towards the Dell since it goes on sale for 400$ every week or so.

>>60287277
>>60287321
Whoops.
Didn't mean to reply

>>60287327
>Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
I started with a component list and asked for suggestions. I don't know specifics so I asked. How is that against the thread's rules?

>>60287381
Just do some fucking review-reading you useless sack of shit. This isn't spoonfeeding general.

>>60287327
You've asked like 3 times in the thread already and received no replies. In that time you could have done your own research. The stock wraith coolers have been more than adequate for Ryzen. Nobody gives a shit about waiting for AM4 HSF brackets to become available because nobody gives a shit.

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>>60287397
Well it certainly isn't against the thread rules.

>>60287418
You gave a shit because you answered my question, which is exactly what I've been waiting for.

>>60287434
You're welcome anon.

>>60287434
How have you not read about the wraith cooler being decent yet? Literally watch/read one Ryzen review before you buy it.

>>60287448
Fuck off.

>>60287500
You're welcome again, anon.

>>60287500
>>60287528
You're both ever so welcome.

>>60287183
Don't fall for the amd meme

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>>60287536
Fuck off.

>>60287541
Fuck the fuck off.

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>>60287558
You'll always, and forever be welcome in this general anon. We love you. Tell us what's troubling you.

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What monitor should I buy?
IPS? TN? VA? MVA????
What's the difference between these???
I'm not a gamer, but would like to have good contrast between light and dark colours...
I don't know much about monitors...
Help...

>>60287608
IPS or OLED

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>>60287608
A decent, not too expensive (~200€) 1080 monitor would suffice my needs

>>60287617
I read on /g/ that oled consumes lots of electricity...

>>60287649
I read on /g/ that the 7700k is the best gaming CPU too

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>>60287735
This is actually correct.

>>60287749
Why do you insist on ruining this thread?

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>>60285389
I require a motherboard with highest possible FSB bus speed.


Or

A CPU with as large a L3 Cache as possible.

Any suggestions?

>>60287760
The 7700k consistently gets 10+ FPS over Ryzen for gaming.

the Ryzen is better for every single other task, but for gaming the 7700k is objectively better.

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>>60287277

>>60287776
It's the "best" for like the next year or two until graphics cards of the next generation leave shit like the 1080 and 1080ti in the dust. The 7700k is a shitty buy in 2017. I'm not saying Ryzen is perfect but investing $400 in a dead socket + CPU is a stupid move. We've been over this.

>>60287818
Adequate-tier. Fuck that keyboard though.

>>60287768
xeons

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Can someone recommend me a good cheap mouse that I can mod to be silent? Something reliable and reasonably accurate. Preferably wired. I use claw/finger grip.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gvZFhq

Should I stick with the Zotac, or jump on the 54 dollar sandisc or 53 dollar pny I found on amazon?

Also, I'll need an adapter bracket right?

>>60287853
What's a better keyboard then

>>60287909
I'm not a keyboard autist so I couldn't really tell you. I have a $35 mech. chink keyboard off amazon. TOMOKO or something. Honestly though, membrane keyboards don't even bother me and may even be better for certain kinds of gaming IMO. I much prefer my old membrane keyboard (had it for about 10 years) for FPS gaming.

how long will a 1080 last?

will a mid range card next year beat the 1080?

>>60287990
yes wait for vega

>>60287871
Wrong, but not incorrect.

Those are fucking cancerously expensive server CPUs with more capability than a single desktop could EVER even come close to even 25% max potential.

Do you have any idea how much a Xeon 7 with 4 cores and 60 MB cache costs?

7+ grand.

My fault for not distinguishing between a desktop build from a server build but w/e.

high end commercial use CPU with as large as possible l3 Cache.

>>60288017
What's your budget? Your question is too vague. Would something like a 6800k work?

>>60287996
Really?

I'm building my computer this week so I guess I will just get a 1060... was hoping the 1080 would last me several years but to hear that mid range cards next year are going to beat it, no point in spending $500 when a $300 card next year will be superior

>>60287990
>will a mid range card next year beat the 1080?
Probably about a tie. See GTX 980 vs GTX 1060 for a comparison.

>>60288036
He's just trolling you with the "wait for vega" meme. Note the name.

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>>60288024
Budget just for the CPU component is about 1k.

6800k wouldn't be bad, 15 MB cache, but it's still not enough. I would be better off buying a fast possible motherboard and RAM in that case and buying a 7700k.

Cache misses are a constant thing with what I have in mind, but I'm not about to blow 7k on an underperforming CPU just because it has 60 MB cache (underperforming for desktop operations anyways)

My new graphics card is shutting off the pc randomly when playing games but my old one doesn't do that but will occasionally freeze for a moment.

Any idea what might be the problem here so I can investigate more? Doesn't appear to be over heating.

>>60288101
Sounds like a PSU problem.

>>60288101
As with any unusual computer problem it's software>PSU>Mobo>CPU in that order.
The cheapest way to find out which it is is have any entire functional computer of the same chipset and swap out parts until you find the broken part.
You can take it to a shop but the only time i ever did that they said it was the hard drive and it absolutely wasn't then they refused to refund me because "Well the hard drive was indeed faulty".

>>60288017
>Those are fucking cancerously expensive server CPUs with more capability than a single desktop could EVER even come close to even 25% max potential.
buy used
>Do you have any idea how much a Xeon 7 with 4 cores and 60 MB cache costs?
I don't know about 60 MB l3, but I do know E7-2870's go for 45 dollars and they have 30MB l3

But if you're looking for consumer chips, I think Ryzens 18MB are the highest you can get at the moment.

>>60288136
>>60288154
I have a 650 PSU from the old PC I can fit in tomorrow. Which graphics card should I be testing it with?

Quick, name a good keyboard that uses brown switches.

>>60288196
The most broken one.
It will be more obvious if the problem has stopped that way.
If it still shows up then go with the less broken one and see if that works cause it could be that bother the power supply and one of your GPUs is broken.

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>>60288157
Huh, I hadn't even considered Ryzen.

I found a 1800X with 20 MB l3 Cache.

This is probably the best I'm going to find as you say. It's certainly the biggest cache I've seen Desktop CPU have and it's a very late generation and high performing. And it has 8 cores. Only about half a grand.

nice find thanks. Have a Daedra.

So, I'm doing a Ryzen build now that I have my tax refund. Which ram should I go with?

>>60288157
>>60288224
All ryzens except the 1400 have 16MB L3

>>60288215
Will do that tomorrow then. Thank you.

>>60288251
my mistake I included the 4 MB from the l2

a 4MB from l2 including the 16 from L3 is actually better anyways.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820313842
Is this Batarang ram good?

>>60287215
$120 for 2x8GB DDR4 2666 seems like a lot. You can often find 3000 for $95-$105.

>>60287360
The Dell is TN. But pretty good for TN. Not as good as a decent IPS, still.
I think paying $400 for a TN is fucking retarded but idk people like them.

>>60288224
~20MB is the total cache. 16MB is the L3 and they have twice the L2 of Intel CPUs.
Really it's 2x8MB L3.

>a 4MB from l2 including the 16 from L3 is actually better anyways.
Would be better-er if it was 1MB shared between two cores instead of 512KB each, like Power9, but it's nice.

>>60288366
>1.35V
fucking leds

>>60288387
>Really it's 2x8MB L3.

Does this matter? I'm to assume that half the CPU cores only have access to 1 L3 cache between them correct?

Afterall if the program I have in mind is only single threaded and that core only has access to 1 l3 cache I'm pretty much back where I started with the 7700k.

>>60288431
All ryzen cores can address the full 16MB of L3, it's just they have more latency when accessing the other CCX's cache.
Significantly more, i think it was around 40ns to intel's ~15-20ns.

>>60288490
Still a thousand times better than retrieving from RAM.

>>60288521
Actually RAM access is usually in the low 100ns range so it's only about 3-4x better than retrieving from RAM

>>60288236
I just got Corsair Vengeance. I'm told here that you want pick high mhz like 3000+ to go with a Ryzen chip and most people say get at least 16gb. Dual stream (2x8gb) is better too :)

>>60288542
well by this I mean in regards to performance for what I have in mind.

4x faster is a really big deal. cache misses are the sole performance killer.

>>60288236
Corsair vengeance 3200MHz are the cheapest samsung B chips available.
Dont get the 3000MHz, they're trash. product number should be CMK-something-something.
Check the qualified memory list for your mothebroard

>>60288490
No, it's like <10-20ns latency for L3 cache on Ryzen. (drastically changes based on memory clocks and CPU clocks)
But for nearly every non-game application, they aren't going to be crossing L3 in a way that harms performance.

It only becomes a problem when:
A: the thread scheduler moves a software thread from one hardware thread to another on a different core. This just doesn't hardly ever happen on a heavy productivity task that loads threads consistently.
B: an application like a game is trying to share cache between cores. This happens A LOT in games. In this case, if they are shittily coded (games often are) and not aware that it's two different L3 caches, there is a big penalty.

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>>60288682
Oh and before someone says Ryzen had a 40ns L3 cache latency, that was before the microcode updates. Go look at them now.
People are getting 0.9s-1.1s L1 latency now days as well, on par with Broadwell-E.
And almost half the L2 latency.

Pretty insane numbers. But the memory latency is still pretty meh.

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>>60288716
That's a fast ryzen.
Here's one at stock with some slight memory tweaking for comparison for the guy who is considering buying one.

My brother just bought a GTX 1080Ti.

His specs are:

>i5 3570K
>16GB RAM
>250GB SSD

He noticed how his games are actually worse off than his previous GTX 780... is his CPU being severely bottlenecked? Please help.

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>>60288790
Just bought pic related. How'd I do? The 580 is for my brother, I'm just gonna sit on my current 1060 until Vega comes out.

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>>60288766
Oh wait I just realised I could tighten the timings a little on the ram.
No idea why that affected the cache, but okay.

>>60288900
>300MHz higher
cache speed is tied to the fastest core speed on Ryzen.
~10% clock speed increase and cache got ~10% faster.

>>60288790
It could be throttling due to going from being GPU bottlenecked to CPU bottlenecked if it's just a bit worse.
But I mean you should have know a 3570k would bottleneck a 1080.

>>60288959
Weird, i didn't do anything with the CPU.
I guess turbo mode kicked in this time and it didn't last time for some reason.

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>>60288790
Bottlenecking doesn't cause worse performance. It just leads to under utilisation of the GPU and the maxing out of the cpu.
Get him to run GPUz and make sure where it says "bus interface" it's running at 16x, it will switch around from 1.1x to 3.0x based on load but I once had a poorly seated GPU causing terrible performance and when i looked at it here it was running in PCIe x1 mode.

>>60287183
That Noctua one which AMD was sending to reviewers.

>>60288036
>will a mid range card next year beat the 1080?
>Probably about a tie. See GTX 980 vs GTX 1060 for a comparison.
This happened due the die shrink and increased transistor count between Maxwell and Pascal (28nm and 5.4 billion transitors vs 16nm and 7.2 billion)
Next gen will have 12nm process, so there will less of a jump.

>ryzen 1600 now at 217 euros in the German caliphate
Let's see if the price drops further. Still no news of the rx 560.

>>60288790
Remove old drivers using this
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
then reinstall newest drivers

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hqKb6X

I've got the case down to the chassis out on my dining room table, and the CPU sitting snug in the motherboard. Just waiting on a few more parts to arrive (tomorrow) and it'll be fired up by tomorrow evening.

Does anyone actually use an anti static wrist strap?

>>60287022
>twice the performance

Budget : 150 dollars
Need : new PSU and pc case
Have : gtx 1080ti and i7 4790k i dont do crazy ocs just need stability and solid case that looks good with led mods.
Thinking of; corsair 400c case and corsair cx 650m psu
Thoughts? Suggestions?

>>60289228
>6700k
>GTX 1080
Why though? Not even a fanboy but Vega is right around the corner, which could have lead to Nvidia dropping prices.

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>>60289258
>corsair
I have a corsair obsidian 750 and the wires from the reset switch don't reach my mobo.

>>60289258
Get the fractal define r5.

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>>60289174
>tfw got the ryzen 5 last fortnight for the AUD equivalent of 191 euros

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ndgzxY

This is my first time i build a computer, i was wondering if the build is good, this is to say i'm getting a good bang for my buck? I am going for a good computer but with the hard cap budget of 1100 for the tower. Is there anything stupid im doing?

>>60289264

6700k because it's the best Intel chip out right now considering Kaby Lake heat issues.

GTX1080 because all the drivers are there, all the hardware is there, and it's a proven piece of equipment. And it's already on my dining room table too.

For what I need, this should be the way to go.

>>60289294
Rc5 is slightly more expensive with a design im not a big fan of, prepared to drop the 400c for a zalman z9 neo since the psu is more important.

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>>60285389
i fucked up /g/. what are some good, quiet low profile coolers?

>>60289316
Is the 6700k's TIM any better?
Isn't it just cooler because lower stock clocks?

>>60289313
>Buying windows
Get it from kinguin or something instead at least.

>>60289387

from what i've seen, the 6700 doesn't spike as bad as the 7700 for whatever reason.

i can't imagine it would be the clock, because the 6700 can go to 4.6 reliably and with no temperature issues

Purpose: light gaming of newest titles in 1080p+ office work. With headroom to overlock + upgrade.
Location: Hong Kong
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yb4mjc
Criticism welcome. Would love to get some recommendations on some cheaper/more cost efficient ram that are compatible with Ryzen. Would a different brand for the rx470 be better?

>>60289376
Same thing happened to me, I bought a 172mm tall CPU cooler that couldn't fit in my mid tower. Cyrorig sells a nice slim cooler as well as noctua.

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>>60289424
>tfw my i5 4670k has 10c spikes.

At least with my massive air cooler it doesn't go above 60C while gaymen.

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>>60285389
I'm building a capture box from a Dell Optiplex 9010 SFF I found $100.

The PCIe 4x slot is being occupied by the capture hardware (Epiphan dvi2pcie).

What is a good half-height single slot GPU I can put in?

I'm not playing games on this thing, but I do want to free the CPU for encoding capture streams.

Ideally, I'd like a GPU that could be used for video encoding, and 1080p60 playback.

A fan would be nice too, as the capture card also generates heat, so a passive heatsink would just make everything hot.

I figure a GT 730 or 720?

>>60289537
yeah, most probably gonna get the cryorig. much cheaper than the noctua

I put together a new system a few weeks back and recently I've noticed when my GPU is under load one of my fans starts making a "grinding" noise

It's usually around the 30% fanspeed mark but can happen above.

Any idea how I could either go about fixing this or do any of you know if this sort of problem is covered by warrenty? It's pretty loud; once the grinding starts you can hear it from halfway across the room

>>60289630
is the fan hitting anything? Otherwise the bearing is shot and should be covered under warranty

>>60289602
Really? Haslel is affected to? Might explain why every time I click my fan ramps for a second.

>>60289771
Could also be bad monitoring software or poor application of thermal paste. I don't see the spikes any more since I upgraded coolers

>>60289307
I didn't see that price yet. I hope it drops a bit further towards summer. Since the rx 560 won't be released until late may I can still wait.

>>60289804
>Could also be bad monitoring software
Possibly, might be at some inflection point or something. I have to sit and fiddle.

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/KcTR8K

fuck budget builds

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>>60290147
Yeah for some reason when I open speecy, WMI provider host starts using the CPU a lot more than it normally does (0.1%)

Hey /g/, I'm aiming to get a budget build for a friend, I have to keep it under 400$ or at max 500$.

Give me your thoughts on this. Also the main priorities are playing games like League or Overwatch.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XDwZd6

>>60290633
>I have to keep it under 400$ or at max 500$
terrible guidlines also you skipped a case.get a pentium too, not this archaich fx

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWrXBP
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWrXBP
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWrXBP

also intergrated graphics are good enough for league and overwatch on low btw

>>60290677
I forgot to mention that we have a case already.

>>60290165
>2400 ram
COME ON
Get some sick 3200 for that Taichi and crank up the base clock some more.

Ryzen is massively affected by ram speeds, it affects its data fabric and inter core communications.

>>60290810
well then ignore the chose case, but its only a few dollars more and if its not matx youll have a waste of space. still to ignore everything else, he (you) will be annoyed with the cpu.

>>60290828
can you find me some white modules then? Also is it possible to change out the LEDs in the gtx1080 for some white ones or something? even if it requires soldering.

>>60289376
These two from Noctua are fine:
L9X65
C14S

First one should fit absolutely everything. For the second one, check the measures in their homepage to see if it will fit. Worst case, you'll have to use it in LP mode (with the fan under the heatsink) but then you absolutely need LP RAM.

>>60289612
The RX550 is supposed to come in LP single slot variants if you want something a little bit more modern.

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What should I upgrape? I maily use PHotoshop and started to stream and some games, last one being Nier Automata, but I have to play it on 1080 low and it sometimes lags. Would it be better to just get a new GPU rather than upgrape all my setup? Maybe I should wait to coffelake and 6 cores CPUs and such.

>>60290968
what a question, just the gpu obviously. if you upgrade the cpu youll need a new mobo and ram, and then a fresh windows install

lagless browsing, media consumption, light gaming
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7BGDyf

with an fx8350 cpu, what gpu would start to bottleneck it? have a hd7970

>>60291051
You dont need 16GB for that or the cooler since the i3 comes with one.

>>60291080
will drop to 8 gigs of ram but stock cooler is crazy loud as i heard

>>60291090
You heard stupid.
The stock cooler on a dual core isn't going to get noticeably loud unless you want an absolutely silent PC
Also you should drop down to the pentium g4560. it's like 10% slower than the i3 but half the price.

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>>60291121
thx

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Is really having a 144hz monitor useless if you play games at 60fps?
I searched online but I don't trust the reddit results

>>60291004
what GPU then, 1060 or 480/580?

>>60291171
Depends on what you want out of it.

Using a 144hz monitor just for general work and so on is really nice, since the smoothness carries to the whole desktop.

But if you intend to lock all your games at 60, then yes, buying a 144hz monitor is pointless, or if you don't have the rig to run the games well enough to take advantage of the refresh rate.

>>60291171
Not if it's got adaptive refresh.
Even if it doesn't it will have more possible synced framerates between 30 and 60FPS, namely 36 and 48 at 144Hz and if you lower it to 120 or 100Hz you can get vsync at 40 or 50Hz.
It just gives you more options.

>>60291171
>>60291187
144Hz only makes sense on Freesync/GSync monitors that reach 144Hz on their adaptative sync range, otherwise you're making a lot of compromises and/or buying the most expensive GPU in the market to lock your game at 144FPS and making sure it doesn't go below that.

>>60290890
>building a top eng pc
>picking components by color
Holy shit man grab youself some gskill 3200 modules and spray paint them if you care so much.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TrY7BP
I can't decide wether the Seasonic M12II 620W Bronze (96.95€) or the EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W Gold 550W (94.95€).
The Seasonic one has more power (LogicalIncrements recommends me a 620W power supply for this build), but it has an 80 PLUS of Bronze.
The EVGA has less power, but an 80 PLUS of Gold, making it more efficient and more long-lasting.
It's 550W enough for this build? It's 80 PLUS a gimmick?

hello. there were many comments and reviews that ryzen mobos have performance and compatibility issues so you can't buy, build and use it properly without headache. did they fix this mess?

>>60287776
>The 7700k consistently gets 10+ FPS over Ryzen for gaming.
No it reports that it does. When in fact it's stuttering down to 30fps.
Yes it has higher peaks, but is by no means consistent.

>>60291245
It has some trouble with snowflake RAM sticks and running some other high speed RAM modules faster than 2666. Both have been partially hotfixed in subsequent BIOS upgrades since launch and there's an update from AMD expected this month that should end up ironing mostly everything out.

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I've perfected the build now to save up some money to build it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jLdcr7

>>60291214
Not strictly true. You can play games and run them at 100fps and it'll still look better than a 60hz monitor, you don't exactly lose out anything by buying a 144hz monitor, it just gives you a bit more options.

t. 970 owner that doesn't reach 144fps in every game

>>60291266
thanks for the info

>>60290165
Why not use the wifi that comes with the mobo? I'm a X370 Taichi user from Australia myself

>>60291573
didnt realise it had wifi on board. i guess ill do that then thanks.

>>60291245
thats why you choose the taichi, seems to be the best in terms of error free and performance.

>>60291219
not really, everything is top end but ended up looking good bar the ram. i guess id buy 3400 modules and get an aftermarket heatsink but i can find any good looking ones

>>60285389
Who's the cutie in the op?

>>60291232
Get the G2, also see if you can find a G3, shouldn't be much more expensive.

>>60291727
MSI dragon in mascot form, you sick fuck.

if i build a pc myself is it still iem certified?

first attempt, what do you think?
the goal is 4k gaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mZPN7h

>>60292204
Vega is in 3 weeks-ish. Should cause 1080's to drop prices. And Ryzen is a thing. Only mentioning this because sounds like you got time before you 'pull the trigger'.
Early tests put vega in 1080 numbers. Still a lot of unknowns. But should be on HBM2 memory.
Put what you may save into a bigger SSD. Only real issue there. 500GB SSD should cover you for the most part.
I'm on 480gb. Haven't found need to get more, but I'm not a gamer as such.

weird how all of a sudden everybody is mentioning video rendering cause of the ryzen while before it was never a consideration point.

majority of games still use 4 cores and it will stay like this for next 2-3 years, i5s are a perfectly decent option for pretty much everyone so stop the bullshit talk about multitasking and rendering

>>60292204
WAIT
A
I
T

>>60292296
>>60292313
thanks for the tips. yes, i'm not buying it right now, probably have 10 weeks left to work to afford this, lol.
im thinking of going through every component and seeing if it's best in slot, at some point (when i have the money) but i think this is ok as a guideline

>>60292303
because there was only one choice

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>>60292303
You post this more often than mentions of rendering.
People will also use their $1000-$2000 PC for much longer than that. Even then Ryzen is preforming as much if not better than.
>why do you need more than 4 cores.
The 8350 is making gains because of multithreaded. Ryzen will do the same. But the i5's and 7's won't.

>>60292303
>4 cores
>100% CPU utliization bottlenecking the GPU in any modern game
>welcome to stutterland
GTFO with your pleistocene garbage

>>60292391
>>60292296
Oh, and more cores allows you to run many things at the same time. Not just a game. But browsers. fileserveing. streaming while gaming, and torrents. But Intel's piddly 4 cores can't do that, not with a game up that wants as much power as it can get.

I know you guys say "wait" for 1080 cards to drop in price, but I am a bestbuy elite plus member so I get 45 days to return a product and they will even price match if a competitors price drops in price during that time frame.

should I get a 1080 now because of that?

>>60292465
It's just a week for the Vega complete product anouncement and probably another week or two for the actual release.

I'm not a fan of the "just wait" meme and prefer to recomend buying whatever is available today but when stuff is supposed to really stir things up (like Ryzen) or just a fucking month away I think it's best to wait and see what's the fuss about.

>>60292465
buy it, when Vega comes out in the next 3 weeks either return it or price match the price difference when it drops

>>60292444
right, pls tell me how much cpu power browser uses in the background, not to mention that windows is pretty good with allocation of the resources to the game.

Listen you are grasping at niche usages that an average consumer wont need, I'm being pragmatic here idgaf about either brand, if anything im partial to amd cause of my childhood pc but damn if that will make me push a narrative when reason is pointing the other way
good day to you sir

>>60292642
Using a PC to handle mutable tasks is a niche market?
What fucking rock have you been under.
>windows is pretty good with allocation of the resources to the game.
When you have a high end CPU. Because it just manages to keep an acceptable frame rate. That's not allocation at all.
Allocation stops tasks. Why stop tasks when you can have a few extra cores handle those tasks without stopping.
You just closed everything if allocation is your answer.

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>>60292975
meme/10

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>>60292392
>welcome to stutterland
Odd. Techreport didn't find that was the case.
Across their game suite, the R7 showed worse frame times overall than the i7 7700K.

>>60293058
>Talking about i5 being a "viable option"
>Showing comparison chart with only i7
Please remove yourself from the gene pool

Dual 23" monitors or a nice 27"

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VRKVGSC/ref=twister_B00X3PRDF4?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

Is freesync shit, should I buy a freesync monitor(I have an AMD GPU), or should I just stick with a standard one? Freesync sounds good but is it actually all its cut out to be, is it consistent? Also does it require more GPU power or a GPU heavy game?

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>>60293099
>Refers to cores
>"But I actually also meant threads"
Doesn't really help you desu.

>>60293058
Frame time is not the same as stutter.

>>60292975
why 2 ssds if youre doing a hdd

>>60293277
ssds are for speed. The hard drive i actually already own, so just throwing that in there cause I can.

>>60292303
>even /r/intel is telling people to go for ryzen now or wait for the next chipset
Why is /g/ the only fucking retarded place when it comes to intel discussions?
Who the fuck would buy a 7700k in this time of life when you need to, delid, overclock to the brim and need a good cooler to make the 7700k not into a huge piece of shit?
How hard is it to wait for a new CPU to pop out of intels anus for a chipset that is ALREADY OUT?

>>60293315
But your OS and any programs you need will fit on the 250 gb

>>60293158
holy shit, I was told there was only a 10 FPS difference between the R7 / i7

what the fuck? now I'm going to rethink my build before making my final purchase

>>60293137
Avoid it.

>>60293446
Not him but I just found this. Looks like a really good deal. What's so bad about it

https://www.amazon.com/LG-29UM68-P-29-Inch-21-UltraWide/dp/B01B9IDLAW/ref=sr_1_16?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1494339713&sr=1-16&keywords=4k+monitor&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A3547807011%2Cp_72%3A1248879011

>>60293343
It varies by game and who made the benchmarks.

>>60293509
bad about freesync i mean

dead thread

I've been looking for a good general-use 27" QHD monitor, and so far I've found the Dell U2715H, U2717D and the HP Z27n.
What's important for me is that it's IPS, has good colors, and not terrible lag (the U2717D review on TFTCentral says the lag is 25.25ms, but I don't know how bad that actually is).
If it has a USB hub it's a plus if it has some ports on the side of the monitor.

The prices I've found are:
U2715H: ~430€
Z27n: ~500€
U2717D: ~550€

>>60291272
Ok.

>>60294036
Guaranteed

>>60294058
Call survival now.

>>60293757
>25.25ms
That's just ridiculously bad. For casual gaymen stay below 10ms or max 15ms if the monitor is top notch otherwise.
We use some U2715H at work, looks decent but idk about colours etc.
Imho Dell makes good general purpose monitors, most also have two USB ports at the side.

can i get a check please
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kFff4C
going to be used for video editing and music production as well as occasional streaming/gaming
A couple things:
>power supply
up in the air, looking for something with some room to grow, sli/crossfire with whatever housefire either company chooses to release, and gold plus or higher. Has to be from newegg though, I have some credit from an RMA of a shitty unit from another pc
>motherboard
also up in the air, im not dead set on the board, I am almost dead set on x370 though. I need the pci-e connectivity. A bit concerned about the vrm situation/lower end x370 though, any issues I should be aware of?
>nvme m.2 drive
will be used for a scratch disk/storage for virtual instruments, etc. Actually makes sense to have over a sata drive in my case
any other suggestions?

>>60289042
Nope, not true. Bottlenecking can make worse performance due to automatic throttling.
Happens for either bottleneck. Just depends on how aggressive your CPU/GPU throttling is.

>>60289313
>$1344 for 4 threads
retarded

>>60289458
Looks pretty ideal besides the model of GPU and the cheap corsair PSU.

>>60289771
I think he's trolling. A 10C spike is fine.

>>60290165
>An additional wifi card for a board that comes with wifi
Either well memed or retarded. 99% sure it's the later.

>>60291056
A 79770 will bottleneck the 8350 in a few games. But on newer console ports it should run well.

>>60294318
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kFff4C
looks good but I would get the MSI carbon x370 though.

better MOBO

>>60294384
with an fx8350 cpu, what gpu would start to bottleneck it? have a hd7970.

have a 7970. does it really bottleneck? so no point upgrading

>>60294412
ill look into it, what makes it better exactly? just wondering

>>60294318
that motherboard you selected is only as good as the processor it is meant to run with, so because of the failing Ryzen i'm going to say it's crap. I owned it and it was bad

Sorry seems unfair but the platform overall is a fail.
Desperately need a Bios fix for these Blue screen crashes don't know what can be done here.
Stay away from this AMD platform or you will be sorry for sure.
Otherwise, I would consider buying AsRock for an Intel build in the future.

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>>60292204
>4K
>7700k
what the fuck?

>>60292303
There was no alternative before unless you were just doing like a PLEX server or GIS. Stop posting some form of this every thread; you're not fooling anyone, shill.

>>60292465
For higher resolutions, 1440p and 4k, Vega will almost surely be much better. For 1080p, I think you're safe getting a GTX1080 if you get one for under $460, though.
But also consider how smooth Ryzen+AMD GPU is. Nvidia driver has more inconsistent overhead.

>>60292975
Read OP.

>>60293058
lol? They didn't even test 4c/4t yet they did test very old 4c/8t. Why are so many of them so misleading?

>>60294384
Throttling is a matter of cooling.
Sure if he has an insufficient heatsink his CPU will throttle but what can't keep an i5 cool besides laptop coolers?

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>>60293343
>what the fuck? now I'm going to rethink my build before making my final purchase
>Tom's Shillware
Check The Tech Altar's review.

Reviewers can easily gimp various settings to make Ryzen perform worse while using optimal ones for Intel. Tom's Hardware has been a known shill and caught taking bribes for almost 20 years. They are effectively a marketing arm of Intel.
And anyone who posts Tom's Hardware CPU benchmarks should be ignored.

>>60294589
Yes, yes it is.
Since it was a 3570k, it probably needs the heatsink cleaned out and thermal paste reapplied as that's old.
A 3570k is going to bottleneck a 1080Ti, regardless. Even overclocked to 4.5GHz.
And CPU bottlenecking is much more inconsistent, stuttery, and deeper frame dips than GPU bottlenecking ever will be, at least in most games. Graphics load tends to be much more even.

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Rate pls. Probably will switch 580 for Vega. Mobo is expensive for future Zen++ upgrade.

>>60294741
Why do people keep getting anything other than samsung b 3200MHz ram?
It's never even cheaper. I just dont understand.
Also that motherboard doesn't even support speeds up to 3200MHz lol, even the b350 fatal1ty has better memory support than that.

>>60294384
Are the gigbyte and saphire models good models?
I've had some trouble looking for a budget semi-modular psu, would the seasonic M12II 520 be much better? I've read comments online that the 2 are similar and corsair is better.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p6HKLD

rate please. i'm ready to purchase

>>60294829
Because Samsung isn't available for me.
>motherboard doesn't even support speeds
Didn't they say all those memory problems will be fixed in may via bios updates?

>>60294829
is there a list of Samsung b die ram anywhere?

>>60294949
If your motherboard cant get 3200MHz out of a Flare X what do you think they're going to bring with a bios update? Magic?
You're spending more for a motherboard that can do less than cheaper boards right now.

>>60294532
>only as good as processor meant to run with
>r5 absolutely crushes i5 in my daily tasks
yeah, ill take the slight, infrequent, and quickly being fixed issues over 1 - supporting the jews and 2 - paying more for less

>>60294741
I'd spend a bit more to get a 1TB+ SU800 or MX300 SSD instead.

>>60294857
No. Gigabyte are probably the worst, although cheap.
MSI is okay if you get the Gaming X.
Red Devil is the best RX570 but it's huge.
Can't go wrong with Sapphire for any model. They are pretty much always solid.

>>60294857
>Why do people keep getting anything other than samsung b 3200MHz ram?
Because most people are playing at 85hz or lower, where 2666 is fast enough?
>It's never even cheaper. I just dont understand.
Some people are shit at finding deals, or that RAM on sale isn't on any QVL.
Personally I'd get that 3000/3200 on sale. It might only run at 2800 or 2666, but it's often cheaper than lots of 2666 and might run at lower latency.

Guys, I have a question about this infamous intel stuttering. I have an old intel mobile chip i7-2630qm. And in games like HotS I have 60-80 fps but sometimes the game starts, I don't know, like stuttering. It feels like the fps is dropping to 20, but it stays at around 60. I never understood it. The same was with Arma 2, where I had stable 50-60fps but sometimes it started stuttering and feeling like 20fps, while the number was around 30.
Is it that famous stuttering that modern intel chips have, or is it something else? Also, do ryzens get rid of it? Is it really that ryzens are much smoother or just a meme?

I also have another question I don't know where to ask - on my PC 30fps feels like hell due to this "stuttering" or something but on ps4 30fps feels okayish to play. Why do I feel low fps much clearer on PC? Is it due to Intel? Is ryzen's 30fps okay to play?

Thanks, anons.

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good deal or nah

>>60295269
It's a good deal. Amazon's installation is actually a very very good deal, not for RAM because RAM is easy to install. I opted for it and paid $150 to have someone come down and install my heatsink / CPU and video card for me.

139.99 is great if you don't pay for the install.

I've got a beefy H115i 240mm liquid cooler being delivered today. Should I mount it in the front and draw in cool air or should I mount it on top and push out warm internal air?

>>60295269
Good deal. $90 to have another real life human being to talk to for 10 minutes.

>>60295343
Pushing out the front is best. Even better if you have a bottom intake fan that can pull in cool air.

>>60295317
lol why. i build desktops for $50 +$30 for os.

>>60295416

>pushing out the front

Why? And the bottom of my case is full of my power supply and hard drives.

>>60295502
Because pulling the air that comes through the radiator will be hot. You don't want to blow hot air into your case.

And with a top mounted radiator, it gets congested up top and you have hot air off your GPU swirling over your motherboard VRMs, unless you have a blower card.

Looking for a basic PC that can browse sites, play videos and run relatively low-demand games (minecraft vanilla, etc)

I'm not looking to improve one little aspect of the PC, just want to know if I should make any changes to anything before I buy. I'm a poorfag so $600 is my budget.
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CPU: AMD - FX-6200 3.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($95.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY - Anarchy 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($26.50 @ Amazon)
Case: DIYPC - Gamemax-W ATX Full Tower Case ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 300W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.79 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $551.69

>>60295814
ditch the fx cpu, mobo & cooler, then get a g4560 instead
Performs better, runs cooler, and you have actual decent upgradeability instead of being stuck to the FX line
then get a very cheap mobo with it / dont buy windows / don't buy a $80 case, and you will be able to fit a budget gpu in there

>>60295814
change cpu to pentium or i5 (quad core for minecraft).
drop cpu cooler, stoxk is fine
pirate windows and get a gpu instead ($150 saved from cpu mobo cooler and liscence will get you a 1050ti)

>>60295870
>pirate windows
/g/ does not and never will condone this. Stop suggesting this

>>60295814
>CPU: AMD - FX-6200 3.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($95.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Anon, no. Even if there is a reason to get a FX CPU in 2017, you still shouldn't get Bulldozer when Piledriver exists and sells for practically same price.

And since you're not doing anything that would demand a lot of cores, you'll be better off getting a g4560.

>>60289363
>Muh windowed side panel

>>60295944
/g/ is not and never was one entity. try reddit?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TwFrCy

even with windows its under $500. imo take out windows and get an i5 + a 1060 if you can get it cheap enough. minecraft is reliant on multi cores from my understanding when you use that optimisation plug in

Question so now that the dust has settled on Ryzen I don't really want it. I am thinking of just building an i7. However the i7-7700k is also shit. What do you think about the i7-6700k that is currently on sale for $275?

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Will 580 be enough for 1080p@60fps on high settings for at least 3 more years?

>>60296015
no
no card will because developers are fucking retarded

>>60295959
>>60295870
>>60295848

Thanks. I chose AMD because it seemed like you got more bang for your buck, but numbers dont mean shit when the anecdotal evidence you guys provided is there. I'll be sure to change my partslist.

Thanks again.

>>60296015
Yes.

>>60296032

Tahiti and hawaii disagree.

>>60296051
its not that it wasnt good, its that its super old and not worth it in any regard now days. even the igpu is better on the pentium

>>60296051
If you want AMD for cheap, you can always get a FX 6300 or wait for Ryzen R3s and the new APUs. Or hell, since you're not going to play any demanding games, you could even ditch the discrete GPU and get a current gen APU. Just don't get a bulldozer CPU.

>>60296000
Nice trips.

Will the CPU work with the motherboard with BIOS updates?

Is the Biostar X370gtn able to support a 1800x?

>>60296015
It's already dipping below 60 on max in a few of the newer games.
You'll be fine if you don't mind turning down the quality about a year in.

>>60296141
yes of course. even if you need a different cpu to update it just ask your local computer shop, though im pretty sure it will work anyway and its just pcpartpicker bogeyman.

>>60296203
Thanks a ton.

>>60296072
AMD's GCN architecture has been a complete anomaly, being a mere coincidence that the features they decided to bake in the cards would be exactly those needed years down the road instead of just going "flavour of the month" like Nvidia usually does to bruteforce whatever is popular at the moment. It's absolutely not normal that, a generation of GPUs later, the products you released in the past 4-5 years managed to punch a whole level above the one they were released in instead of becoming more irrelevant. It's almost impossible to have the same scenario again, and unreasonable to expect it.

You just can get your GPU a little bit more future-minded so it lasts a couple of years or two and a half at nearly max settings, instead of just a year and a half. No one should expect a GCN scenario again.

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>>60296270

GCN is designed to be good at everything - which is why it fails so hard at times compared to Nvidia's efforts because AMD can't (or won't) allocate the silicon required to push staggering amounts of geometry for example. It is why - to an extent - each revision of GCN gets more and more programmable. Equally it is why there is so much compute horsepower sitting idling in the consumer space because games aren't heavily invested in it but it makes GCN a monster for some more server focused workloads. Pic only semi-related - its what happens when you can saturate a fury x without hitting its weakpoints.

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Hi /pcbg/, didn't really know where to put this, so I guess I'd put it here.

Building a new PC, pic related is my current PC. Hoping to sell it for at least 500.

I was told not to sell the individual parts and to instead sell it as a "Mid-range Gaymen PC".

Looking for advice on where to sell it (Newegg, Amazon, Craig's List, Ebay, etc), and how much I'd get for it.

Thanks.

>>60296439
Prioritize anything local over the internet

>>60295253
bump

>>60296337
Vega does 2x the triangles per clock. Polaris also had optimizations for tesselation. But 64x tesselation is RETARDED and you can't tell the difference from 8x or maybe 16x and 64x.
It's expecting to be 2-2.5x the performance of the R9 Fury X in those cases where the Fury X falls short.
And when the Fury X does well, which is like half of games from the past 2 years, it roughly matches or beats the GTX 1070 at 1440p. Which is good considering those were $450 2 years ago.

>>60294939
looks good, go for it

>>60295814
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MLT9LD
its a little bit more but believe me when i say its way better then what you got there

$2500 budget.
He likes aesthetics.
He wants a 144hz monitor (hence the VG248QE, as any 1440p+ 100hz+ monitor is substantially more expensive. Getting a pretty computer is a trade-off)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xvtBHN
Those mostly overpriced parts were chosen purely for aesthetic reasons, because he doesn't care about maxing out the budget (he needs to go buy a desk so it is a tad bit under budget.)

If there's a more fitting part, or something just as pretty to look at but cheaper, I'd love to know. I don't want this guy wasting his money (on a lesser part than he could have gotten--not spending more for sutff that has RGB lighting.)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NcnJXH

Building a PC for the first time. Looking to run most if not all games at 1080p/60+fps with no hassle. Anything to improve? Budget around $1000

>>60296806
useless psu and disproportionate cpu. still would be at $600 w/o windows

What should I be looking at for a quiet build?
I don't want a crazy 0dB thing, just something with an eye on being quiet as I've had some ridiculous airplane engines in the past.

What items or brands should I be looking at for this? Are "silent cases" a meme? What about Noctua fans?

>>60296885
get the XL2411Z instead

>>60296926
ssd and no hdd
silent psu
clc for cpu and gpu
sound proof foam, although it does very little

>>60296806
That's a pretty good build for that purpose. Overpowered, yeah, but still cheap.

The big thing killing it is the wireless card cost.
I'm not aware if there are any AM4 boards with wifi built in for under $100 yet. That'd bring cost down a lot.
And the PSU is too much. 400-450w is more than needed. Even 300w would be way more than fine.

>>60296885
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xvtBHN
>spending $2300 to play in 1080p in 2017
1080p is not aesthetic at all.

>>60296899
Looks like a 1440p build to me.
Lose the HDD, get an RX570 4GB, and replace the SSD with a 1TB+ SU800 or MX300 instead as you can find those for around $250-$300 on sale often.
And get the 550W PSU. Even 400w would be fine but 550W gives you headroom if you ever upgrade to a flagship GPU and overclock both it and the CPU.

>>60296926
>What items or brands should I be looking at for this?
- Cases with dampening on the removable side panels
- Fans (both case fans and CPU coolers) that perform well at low RPM. Noctuas are a good example but they're not the only ones
- Some kind of cushioned or shock-absorbing mounts for the mechanical HDDs. Run away from cases where you have to directly screw them to the chassis.
- Look for GPUs with "zero-RPM" modes where the fans completely stop on idle loads
- Get a PSU with a bit higher wattage than you actually need and with a good efficiency rating (80+ Gold or Platinum), so the fan inside it kicks in less often.

Points are more or less ordered from easier/cheaper to going extremely anal about it.

>>60296926
You would need a sound dampening case for completely silent.
You won't get "0db" but you'll get noise below ambient.
Basics are:
-case with NO front or side intake. The fan being in front gives the sound an easier path to your ears. Though side fan is okay if the fan is pointed away from you.
-Bottom 140mm fan(s) for intakes, plus your single exhaust fan or no exhaust fan.
-rubber mounts for those case fans so vibration doesn't transfer to the case (high end silent cases like Be Quiet tend to include these)
-down-blower 140mm CPU cooler with an even better fan than what it comes with (afaik none of them come with as good of a fan as you can get separately. Like my Cryorig low profile fan on it just isn't quiet in open air though it should be inside a good case)
-MIND THE FAN PITCH, NOT JUST db. High frequency sounds will go through the case's sound dampening. You want something that sounds more like breeze than a jet whine.
-ssd, as they are completely silent

Check silentpcreview forums. The main site doesn't test enough stuff..
If you're lazy, I'd say get the Cryorig C1 and replace the fan with an Artic 140mm fan if the mounting holes match https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Virtually-Standard-Efficient-Ventilation/dp/B01J4FUU7Y
You also have options like Le Grand Macho as long as you can get enough case airflow. But case fans are less isolated noise than the CPU cooler fan.

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>>60296953
>>60297128
>>60297150
Thanks lads, I'll do some research.

>>60296926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZoX7glIAS4

>>60296937
Why the BenQ over the Asus? I currently own the VG248QE and it's really nice.

>>60296975
>1080p is not aesthetic at all.

I was thinking of either the PG278QR or PG279Q, but I'd have to completely change the PC for either to fit into the budget. Actually, I think I'll whip up a Ryzen build that some some aesthetic to it and try and get one of those in it.

>>60297128
>- Get a PSU with a bit higher wattage than you actually need and with a good efficiency rating (80+ Gold or Platinum), so the fan inside it kicks in less often.
Or a fanless PSU.
The Seasonic 420w fanless PSU is, for the most part, the same as their 800w platinum but without a fan at all.
picoPSU are inherently fanless as well if 300w or lower is fine.

If your case has enough airflow that 420w PSU will run at 600w+ 24/7 for years fine.

>>60297191
Wait for Vega then. The MG279Q goes on sale at $400 all the time.
It's the exact same monitor as the PG279Q but without the extra $250 GSync-retard-tax.

>>60296913
>300 watt psu
im sure you don't want a housefire

>>60296885
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tTLBHN

>>60297191
I've had both the BenQ and the VG248QE, I feel like the BenQ has a higher build quality. Plus you can adjust the height and rotate the screen 90 degrees, which you can't do on the VG248QE.

Mind you the BenQ has some serious color issues out of the box, so that's a problem that you'll have to deal with.

>>60297231
Wrong monitor.

Also you can sometimes find the 1800X on sale for around $420-$435. The extra $100 is nothing for a $2k+ budget.

Yo, what price range is Vega gonna be in? Will a 1k build be possible?

>>60297270
then that build with a better monitor

>>60292642
sorry if I want to stream and get some chums money or I want to code, compile, 3d design, photoshop or video render

>>60297191
>>60297219
Also for that particular model consider the MG278Q as it's sometimes cheaper, only difference being that it is TN but the color accuracy and contrast is as good as the IPS version so you just lose on the viewing angles but get a bigger freesync range. I have it and couldn't be happier. There are some reviews around that compare both btw.

>>60297283
The cheapest one will almost certainly be in the 300-400 range.

>>60297248
>Plus you can adjust the height and rotate the screen 90 degrees, which you can't do on the VG248QE
The VG248QE definitely has both of those, in fact I just put mine into portrait mode.

>>60297219
>Wait for Vega then. The MG279Q goes on sale at $400 all the time.
The MG279Q was also on my mind, nvidia card or not. He plans on buying this today or tomorrow, so waiting really isn't... the plan?

>>60297414
I'm retarded or your lying, thanks for telling me though.

I still feel like the BenQ has a higher build quality though.

>>60297191
https://www.amazon.com/LG-29UM68-P-29-Inch-21-UltraWide/dp/B01B9IDLAW/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1494356976&sr=1-2&keywords=lg+monitor+29

>>60297431
>I'm retarded or your lying, thanks for telling me though.
You have to tilt the panel towards you so the panel can turn to past the base, then you can push it back to being flat.

https://youtu.be/Yhd6gTzDCRE?t=37s

Is 1700 worth it over 1600 for gaming?

>>60297535
No.

what the hell kind of x370 motherboard should I get?

seems like all the ryzen mobo's suck. I don't want to spend more than $160 if possible. any of them that are good, can OC well and support RAM that hits 3200?

>>60297339
I'm pretty certain the cheapest one will be at least $400 unless they're going to price drop the RX580 8GBs to under $200.

>>60297414
Well a 1080Ti will do 1440p well enough that you might not see screen tearing without Gsync.
Worse case scenario is you downclock the monitor to 90-120hz until he upgrades to a better AMD GPU later.

Is 1700 worth it over 1600 for virtual machines?

>>60297561
Just wait™ for May bios fix.

>>60297583
250-400 is a big range to offer nothing in.

>>60297602
No it's not.
Most people spend under $300.
Those that don't will spend for either whatever is the best performance/price or what is the absolute best.

is the taichi the only good am4 mobo for oc and ram?

>>60297625
>taichi

don't spend 200 dollars when you can get another mobo less than that that is just as good

I need something aesthetically pleasing. Don't know what cases are nice as I've never built before. I like the look of hard tubes (even if I don't really need water cooling). Don't care a lot about performance, I play low end shit like HOI4. (So CPU > GPU)

Don't have a list myself yet but recommendations would be nice.

>>60297690
again, what else actually ocs and supports high clock rate ram without being shit quality

What ram should I get to pair with 1600x if I am not interested in OC?

About how well can I overclock a Ryzen 5 1600 and what cooler should I consider upgrading to in the future?

>>60297789
To 3.7-4 GHz depending on your luck.

>>60297724

Crosshair.

>>60297561
an asrock one

>>60297867
>anus
wew lad

>>60297963

>wew lad

Since they fixed the bricking it is the best board for AM4.

>>60297963
>not wanting to buy an anus mobo

again, your choices are either asus crosshair or msi carbon pro

>>60297822
You will get 4GHz at 1.4v even on the worst 1600 from what I've seen. Obviously you need a better cooler for that voltage, but just a 140w TDP one is fine.

>>60298105
No, the higher end Gigabytes with the better VRMs are fine. Like the Gaming 5.
Just don't get one of the 3 or 4 phase VRM ones that look like they're 4 or 5.

so my nzxt fans (s340 "elite" pff lol) don't come with a 3 pin fan connector, what's the cheapest and best way to control these

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8bh3XH
how much should i sell this for?

also deciding on if the RX580 8gb is enough for 1080p144hz or should i go 1070

>>60285389
I have a 1080p monitor and a R9 390 right now.

It's not doing what I want. I'll eventually upgrade monitors but I figure a new GPU is in order.

1080 or 1080ti?
Which brand? I heard MSI is good this go around.

>>60298509
1080. the ti is not worth it

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tfw the crosshair out performs the taichi and has a better bios

Any recommendations for a 1080p 120-144hz Freesync monitor?

Price not really a big issue so long as it's good.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VvnqJV

Why SHOULDN'T I get this build?

>>60298460
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8bh3XH
>how much should i sell this for?
Might get $125-$175.

>>60298941
If price isn't an issue, why don't you get 1440p...?
If you need the higher framerates, just upscale 960p/1080p to 1440p.

Not worth a lot of money to invest in only 1080 vertical pixels imo.

>>60298966
Because the G4560 will bottleneck the fuck out of the RX580 even at 1440p. The G4560 drops down to 30fps in LOTS of games while that GPU does 85+ in all but like 5 or 10 games.
Even an RX570 4GB would be overkill, though not that bad. RX460 or RX560 is the ideal pairing with a G4560.

You should also get a semi-modular power supply. Just wait for one to be on sale under $45 if one isn't at the moment.