The 7700k shits on all Ryzen CPUs, why would you pay for less

>>60279951
I don't want to delid.

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>>60279951
Because I have dual v1 xeons.

>>60279951
I'm not a gaymer.

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>>60279983
yeah i tryed deliding my 6700k because it was thermal throttling and I put a small scrape on my pcb killing the cpu, I need my pc for work so I dropped 300 bucks and 1 day shipping on a 7700k. feels bad man. But I later get a rockit delid tool and some cool labs pro and some rtv to delid my 7700k. It runs at a constant 4.8ghz at 45°c on air in silent mode. Feels gud.

My next pc will have 8 cores.

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>>60279951

>less quality
Meme-lake is the cpu that needs deliding not ryzen.

>>60280139
>>60279983
>I can't delid!!!
same type of people who can't change the engine oil themselves

>>60279951
Price, future-proof platform, moar cores and price.
Wait, that's 4.

>>60280204
>future-proof platform
That's a meme and you know it.

>more cores
Useless for now, Intel leads the industry they know what to build and not to build.

>price
Not an argument.

>>60279951
i don't lie jews
it is backdoored
it has heat issues

I don't want to burn my house down

>>60280246
Antisemitism is bad.
Backdoor accusation without proof.
It's hot because you don't cool it properly.

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>>60280174
>I void my CPU warranty because its temps are shit

Intelfags everyone

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>>60279951
Why would you go on the internet and lie? Unless...

>>60280174
>oil change
>needing a special tool

>>60280245
Well you know, I'm kinda tired of having to change motherboard every fucking time.
It's justified when you change memory technology, but other than that, it's just Intel jewing you.

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>>60279951

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>>60280295
>delid
>needing a special tool

>>60280271
got your proof right here >>60168584

>>60280318
>>60280293
>not a single valuable software
>no games

>>60280342
Literally tinfoil hat material. Everything has "exploits" in it, gotta deal with it otherwise just go play with sticks and rocks.

I bought a 7700K, don't have heat issues and don't regret it because it was best suited to my needs.

With that said to most people I would simply recommend Ryzen over it.

>>60280350
>Gnu/Linux kernel and the gcc compiler
>Not valuable

You sure done outed yourself now

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>>60280398
You only compile Linux once, it doesn't matter if it takes 5 minutes or 5 minutes and 10 seconds.
Coffee Lake will be better than Ryzen in every way

>>60279951
1Duck
2Taped
3Housefires

Is Intel stupid enough to go the moar cores™ way, and get their prosumer market wrecked by sub Naples AMD shit?
Let's be honest here, they've been caught asleep, and the only thing that saves them is that Ryzen doesn't clock past 4.1Ghz.
They should just focus on more clock speed at the moment.

>>60280350
>valuable software
>games

kill ys

>>60280412
Actually no.
You compile it at every major or minor update if you got Asperger and you want to stay at the cutting edge of autism.

>>60280438
if not for PC games you wouldn't have any modern CPUs to begin with.

>>60280412
>video encoding
>music production
>compiling
>comrpession
>scientific programming
>browsing

>>60280454
>what is xeon
you are a fucking moron

>>60279951
16 threads on a non exclusive board
Overall price of chip + board
No need to de-lid. Delidding is something enthusiasts would do. It shouldn't be a necessity at all.

Most of all I get to not support Intel and their Jewish tactics. They can take their new socket a year and 1% gains and shove it up their ass.

>>60280342
>This vulnerability does not exist on Intel-based consumer PCs.

>>60280350
Playing at 4K.
Pretty sure my old i5 750 would crap out the same FPS, as I'm basically now GPU limited for a decade at least.

>>60280454
Holy shit

You do realize that your fancy 7700k is absolutely fucking nothing compared to high-end high-core processors?

I have a dual-Xeon workstation that costs $12k. Do you think Intel gives more of a shit about me or your $300 gayming processor?

>>60280472
I can tell you didn't read the thread, or understand the vulnerability.

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>>60280412
You're in good company. This kid on wccftech totally agrees with you!

1. gas the kikes
2. gas the kikes
3. gas the kikes

>>60280376
This exploit works with any password, or a null password. A failure during C coding of the string copy function. It authenticates anything. lol at any comparison to this exploit. It is unprecedented.

>>60280486
People don't understand why Xeon shit is so fucking overpriced.
Basically, it comes with a service contract.
You've got access to support line while plebs just get to phone into India.
If need be, they'll send support team to your location and fix it, whatever it takes, even if it means replacement.

>>60280245
>>future-proof platform
>That's a meme and you know it.

When I bought Sandy Bridge, I bought it because I though it will be futureproof, I was right. Hoping Ryzen wont disappoint.

>>60280549
No you fucking moron, that has literally nothing to do with why xeons are so expensive

Xeons don't come with a support contract like that anyways to begin with, I don't know where you dreamed that up

My $4k Xeons literally come in the same intel box as the Celeron processors and that's it

Xeons are expensive because they are the fastest fucking consumer (YES, consumer) CPUs in the world

>>60280549
>Buy Intel Xeon (tm) please, with your processor you will get a free service contract where they come to your location and fix it if it breaks
>Please believe me

Pitiful

>>60280564
>shitposts all day on lightweight Loonix distro
>wonders why his 2500k is still "up to date"

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>>60280454
bait, here's your response

>>60280649
>2500k
I'm glorious 2600k master race, my mobo is dying thou so can't OC, so I'm buying Ryzen.

>>60280593
>>60280611
Are you guyz just happily throwing money at Intel for the lulz?
Holy balls, don't fucking do it unless you run business critical shit on it.
Why aren't enterprises just buying 7700Ks or 6900Ks?

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>>60280681

The 7700k doesn't even fit on the page it's so inferior

>>60279951

1. Fuck deliding. Voiding your warranty so you can use and overclock the cpu you paid extra to overclock.

2. Moar cores.

3. Price. Even beyond the cpu intel charges more for their stuff to the mobo manufacturers.

Intel might actually be in trouble. Only thing they have an advantage on right now is the most obsessive gamers. And I have been looking through the high end expensive enterprise shit. I dont think Intel has more clock speed held back. They are going to actually have to go bad to r and d. This is actually good for everyone.

>>60280701
Price is very inferior to.
Enterprise could just buy more of them and network their applications.

>>60280681
Because those are failed Xeons salvaged by binning to be consumer-tier trash.
Real Xeons are the best binned CPUs that are able to run continually for years without restart and minimum of errors.

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>>60280245
>price isn't a good reason to by a competing product

>>60280761
nonsense, Xeons are just as shit as any other Intel's CPU.

>>60280319
I'd go block & hammer.

>>60280754
>Enterprise could just buy more of them and network their applications.

Confirmed for being a moron

>>60280754
>network their applications

yeah I'm sure this sounds like a reasonable statement to normies

>>60280788
baited

>>60279951
Price.
Platform longevity.
Multi-threading performance.
High quality included cooler.
More PCIe lanes.
Lower TDP.
Better thermal performance.

>>60280770
No, they are binned better than i7 because enterprise customers require the best performance-per-watt and reliability, while price is not very important.
Consumers will eat any shit you give them and even thank you for the opportunity to delid that trash to be usable.

The real question is, why would anyone buy Kaby Lake if they owned any equivalent Intel chip from any post-Sandy Bridge series?

>>60280245
>future-proof platform
Even the AMD Bulldozer housefires have been making gains for years because of improvements in application multi-threading. Pull the other one, I hear it plays jingle bells.

>Useless for now, Intel leads the industry they know what to build and not to build.
So you're trying to argue Intel are right just because Intel can't be wrong because they're Intel? Uh-huh.

>Not an argument.
So we should assess everything as though buyers have infinite money? Riiiiight.

The 7700k is a four core part, isn't it? I'm never again buying a desktop processor with less than eight cores.

Not to mention that the later batches of it don't even overclock as well as the early ones. And they have unexplained thermal spikes, sometimes even at idle.

>>60280829
B..But, usb3, ddr4, m.2 and optane.
It's the future, I swear.

>>60280829
jews told them to

>>60279951
Liar

>>60280549
I was in contact with Intel support during my previous job (real-time kernel development for a telco vendor). This was not some kind of first line support, but a strategic partnership support. They are either fucking retarded or simple liers. Their engineer tried to convince me that the hardware bug I'm seeing is normal work. That shit stopped servicing interrupts and they said it was fucking ok. This was their Xeon platform. DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM, THEY ARE RETARDED AND INTEL HARDWARE IS A BUG RIDDEN CRAP FEST.

>>60281144
No shit, these retards fucking FIRED VALIDATION TEAMS.

>>60280460
Let me rephrase what he said - if not for games you wouldn't have modern high performance affordable cpus. All productivity stuff has very small target audience that is mostly business related and can afford $1000+ for a cpu. Exactly where intl's previous 6+ core cpus were aimed at. Once again, the market for scientific programming, compression, compiling, music production, etc. is very small. And web browsing could be done on pentium.

So, he is right - video games are responsible for existence of high performance affordable cpus. And thus it is retarded to dismiss video games when testing these high performance cheap cpus.

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>>60279951
>>60281327

>>60281315
>So, he is right - video games are responsible for existence of high performance affordable cpus.

No, this is completely wrong. Intel created a product segment targeted at gamers but that segment did not drive CPU production. The biggest driver for all CPU development has always been servers...more power for less energy.

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>>60279951
>>60281327
>>60281329

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>>60279951
>>60281327
>>60281329
>>60281339

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>>60280412
>Intel
>Just Wait(TM)

>>60281332
Xeons are $14k+. Can average consumer buy one? No. Once again - games are responsible for high performance AFFORDABLE cpus.
R7 is best for production and compiling stuff. Is it best seller? No, 1600 is. Because of gamers.
You would have nothing but basic mobile chips and $1000+ multiple core cpus for universities, businesses, etc. in the consumer market if not for games. Games are literally the only reason we have $400 high performance chips.

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>>60280421
They can't. They've already hit the single core wall with the 7700k and 7740k. More cores is their only option, unfortunately for them that means giving away their single core advantage (which purely results from clock speed) while they will still lose in multi-core to Ryzen.

Intel is fucked until their new arch.

>>60281363

Hope they give me enough time to sell one of my kidneys

>>60279951
-Intel has been manipulating benchmarks for ages
-Intel Management Engine (free access for NSA)
-More money left for beer
-Consume beer
-Profit

>>60281384
>Xeons are $14k+.

wut

>You would have nothing but basic mobile chips and $1000+ multiple core cpus for universities, businesses, etc.

You are completely ignoring the fact that we've had desktop CPUs for 30 years. Gaming didn't magically make them better.

>>60281404

>tells to stop overclocking

this can't be real

- higher core count and more threads
- good enough gaming performance since that's not my main focus anyway
- superior performance in threaded tasks
- inexpensive compared to similar Intel offerings
- supporting Intel's only competition (beneficial to everyone)

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>>60280887

>>60281431
Have you been living under a rock the last few days?

>>60281384
>R7 is best for production and compiling stuff. Is it best seller? No, 1600 is. Because of gamers.

you could use this same logic to ask why i5 laptops outsell i7 laptops

it's because the price/performance ratio flatlines at the top-end so you are stuck paying a huge premium for a tiny performance gain

it has nothing to do with gaming, it's just economics

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>>60281431
Hahaha oh it's real. The goodest goys got absolutely turbocucked by kiketel lately between this and the NSA root access to their CPUs

>>60279951
why would i buy that shit when 2500k is more than enough for my use?

>>60279951
I can give you more than 3
1. Much better multi thread performance (AKA the one that matters)
2. No Intel backdoor botnet exploit which was exposed recently (with many more soon to come probably)
3. Cheaper motherboards. Can overclock with a B350.
4. Runs cooler, even when OC.
5. Doesn't stutter (because CPU usage never reaches 100% usage).
6. Doesn't support a greedy company who will keep producing mediocre incremental improvements while charging more.

>>60281463

I was implementing WiMax in an isolated zone of my country.

>>60281491

>paying overpriced CPU's
>can't even do whatever you want without blowing them up

Intelshills are byond cuck

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>>60281315
>Let me rephrase what he said - if not for games you wouldn't have modern high performance affordable cpus.

>7-year-old overclocked i7-2600k still outperforms kaby lake i7
>gaming drives cpu development

If you haven't noticed, CPUs haven't gotten faster for gaming, just more energy efficient. So how could you possibly argue that gaming is driving CPU development when clearly it is power/watt aka servers?

>pic related

>>60280761
what are the xeons that can be used on consumer boards then?

>>60281623
Any of them

There are plenty of consumer lga2011 boards that don't require ECC ram or that other nonsense

They are just as cheap as LGA1151 boards: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543&cm_re=lga2011_motherboard-_-13-157-543-_-Product

>>60281623
You used to be able to run them on the same boards as i7s, but ever since Skylake Intel has gone even more jewish and now you need a C-series chipset or else it will fry your CPU.

>>60281614
Games are sole reason for existence and crazy popularity of i7-2600k. It is too powerful for an average non-gaming user and not powerful enough for professionals.

>>60281424
>-Intel Management Engine (free access for NSA)
Bump

>>60281404
They may keep their single core advantage, but it will be so slim (12.5-15%) it won't even be worth it.

>>60281818
Yeah, a 7 year old CPU

That's not exactly "driving the market"

>>60282018
Why improve if there is no competition and your sales through the roof?
And don't play stupid - all i5 and i7 cpus after that are primary focused on gamers.

>>60281856
doesn't amd have their own version of that too?

>>60282052
Yes, it's called AMD PSP, but someone needs to find vulnerabilites in it first.

>>60279951
requires z chipset to utilize
temp spikes
not that much better than your existing i7.

>>60279951
delid
housefire
stutter

>>60280271
gas the

>>60281614
>7-year-old overclocked i7-2600k still outperforms kaby lake i7
I'd love to see some data backing up this claim, because it sounds nearly impossible considering there's an actual noteworthy IPC difference after so many generations and a 7700k boosts up to 4.5GHz at stock.

Stick with my i5-4440/750ti
Or switch it to 1400 ryzen with rx480 (reference model)

I like aesthetics and don't need a lot but it's come to that time where I'm seeing a need to raise my standards and minimum needs

Forget this i7 meme, low side of the system spec spectrum is important.

>>60282042
>And don't play stupid - all i5 and i7 cpus after that are primary focused on gamers.

Except that every single desktop in my workplace has an i5 cpu

I know you may not be too familiar with the real world, but people actually use computers for things other than gaming and the i5 chips offer a great price/performance ratio

>>60279951
fuck intel and that overpriced piece of shit.
amd for life.

>>60280293
Single-threaded is the only benchmark that matters for a lot of applications.

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>b-but the 7700k is too hot!

>>60282107
I was comparing an overclocked 2600k to a stock 7700

>>60282128
ARMA 3 or dorf fortress are not
>lot of applications

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>>60282147
Silicon lottery winners prove two things, jack and shit. And jack left town.

>>60282128
Bloated websites, alpha quality emulators and poorly optimized games are about the only things left. And even Intel is moving to 6 cores next generation, so you better be prepared for the single core "benchmarks" to get more and more irrelevant.

>>60282194
No I delided because I'm a real man.

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>>60279951

go to bed shlomo

>The Intel plant at Kiryat Gat is built on lands Zionist Israel confiscated in 1948 from the Palestinian villages of Iraq al Manshiya. Iraq al Manshiya was then a village of 2000 people with two mosques and one school. The original Palestinian inhabitants were terrorized out of the village and then the whole village was razed to the ground to prepare the way for the new Israeli settlement of Kiryat Gat. Today the remaining population from Iraq al Manshiya is still not allowed to return.

http://stopthewall.org/2005/08/05/boycott-intel-products-setting-factory-palestinian-stolen-lands

>>60282111
Once AMD starts offering up low power Ryzen R3's to OEM's, there's no reason to buy more expensive i5's that run hotter and don't give any huge performance advantage.

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>>60282288
>he literally delidded this

>>60280319
This is for cutting your veins and not for delidding a CPU

>>60282356
Remember kids, it's down the road, not across the street.

>>60282188
>impyling dwarf fortress isn't the only benchmark that matters.

Urist is taken by a fey mood

>>60282378
I know I built my Personal Dwarf Fortress Computer (PDFC) with single core in mind. Can't beat my OCed i7-7350K w/ HT disabled.

>>60282309
they'll need iGPUs or include one on the chipset

Soldered IHS
Socket supported for longer
Moar corez!!

I genuinely don't understand what's the problem with the temps. Sure they're a bit high, but it's still within safe temps, so the fuck cares. As long as it doesn't go over or hit 80°C you're not damaging your CPU, and if you're reaching those temps you're probably doing something very wrong with either your Vcore or using some shit-tier cooler and shitty applied shitty thermal paste.

>>60282288
>delid this

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keep telling yourself that

>>60282416
Raven Ridge, then?

>>60282435
Reduced hardware lifespan.

>>60282459
why does it not say what a ryzen uses when downclocked?

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>>60282435
>shitty applied shitty thermal paste
The problem is the shitty paste is under the heatspreader.

>>60282462
Vega-based APU seems like overkill for most businesses

>>60282147
4.5 ghz.... who gives a fuck.... now do 5.0 you retard.

>>60279951
Because I have a 5820K
Would buy Ryzen if I needed a new CPU now

>>60282435
throttling famalam

>>60282435
Didn't you wonder why ryzen has much better 1% and .1% lows then intel? thermal throttling nigga.

>>60282147
Nice turboboost you retard

>>60282147
2:31 starting workers
2:31 stopping all worker threads
worker #1-8, 0.01-2%

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>>60280245
>>price
>Not an argument.

>Intel leads the industry they know what to build and not to build.
>implying this is an argument

Dumb fucking Intlel pajeets can't even think like real people.

>>60282476
Below 80? No.

>>60281315
Agreed. Even AMD doesnt create products dedicated to gamers. Ryzen is a pure server workload cpu. It is designed to scale, has tons of virtualization and other goodies. For example vm memory encryption. They are in the gaming/enthusiast segment just because they can and it is a good testing ground.

>>60280174
You'd have to be a special kind of person to damage your car when doing an oil change.
Damaging the CPU when deliding with a DE razor can happen easily.

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shill

>>60280293

shit that nobody does except once a month maybe: the chart

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>>60280069
> Intel saves a few cents with their shitty thermal solution
> idiots try to delid to decrease temperatures
> have a good chance to fuck it up
> have to spend 300+$ again

Really makes you think.

>>60279951
>not getting the superior 6950X

>>60281572
How that went?

>>60282629
topkek

you cant blame him though, if he runs the housefire for too long itll melt the motherboard like the blood from aliens

>>60282979
But the 7700K is hitting 90+.

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>>60282629
>>60283643
>>60282147

>>60283860
topkek

>>60283860
0.02%
You can't even read you own image.

>>60283520
You also have to spend $300+ again if you lose the silicon lottery i.e. it's shit and won't OC w/o massive voltage or just won't stay stable at all past 4.5 GHz.

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>>60283860

Does ocing the 7700k even make a difference for gaming?

>r7 and now r5 taking a dump on intel's overpriced spyware
>intel vpro, NOT EVEN ONCE

Intel jews get in the oven.

>>60283963
Let's put it this way, you're spending enough money on it that if it doesn't OC well, you just wasted your money and would've been better off going for Ryzen.

>>60283963
yes but you have to use fans with blue LEDs to keep it cool, which kind of negates any performance

>>60283996
But stock 7700k still fucks Ryzen in the ass

>>60284007
>2017
>Using blue LEDs

Cuck city, bro.

>>60279951
no overclocking
worse multithreading performance
no gamer

>>60284014
OCed Ryzen > Stock i7-7700K.

>>60284018
cant use red LEDS, the 7700k is already a housefire

>>60284049
Use purple LEDs, noob.

>>60283976
I hope the ovens run on 7700k's

>>60284055
If youre going that far, you might aswell use tri-color LEDs

>>60281429
>You are completely ignoring the fact that we've had desktop CPUs for 30 years. Gaming didn't magically make them better.

Um... after dual cores, is there any need for normal computer use to have better?

We have cheap cpus, and I mean cheap as in less then 1000$ quad cores, because of gaming and a massive market that it presents, to a point you can argue competition from amd drove intel to be competitive, but till zen, you were better off with an i3 then any of amds cpus for the vast majority of games, for the vast majority of applications, a single core is good enough, and for a computer a dual core alleviates any of the normal bottlenecks, so tell me, what do normal people do that demands more processing power then a dual core?

>>60283801
No it's not retard.

>>60283963
No it doesn't, 4.4Ghz is already plenty. Maybe in a few years yes.

>>60283996
Because you can OC right now doesn't mean you should, no game at the moment would be asking for something stupid like 5Ghz.

>>60279951

I run multithreaded applications that shit on corelets from Intel.

AMD doesn't tell me to not overclock my processor because it is a properly sorted out piece of hardware that doesn't randomly spike to 90 degrees.

AMD does not have a compromised NSA back door.

My eight core is more power efficient than your 4 core.

My 8 core runs cooler than your 4 core.

My motherboard chipsets give me genuine options instead of being forced to buy the most expensive board for features I don't need.

I have ECC RAM support.

I have better, more powerful VM experiences.

I have superior quality over Intel, with attention to detail, and highly functional parts.

Why on earth would I ever consider an Intel now?

>>60281483
is because intel wants a premium product sku in the lower end markets, which they can use to upsell people.

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>>60284097
>y-you can't play dorf fortress on that ..

>>60284097
BECUZ MUH GAYYYYYMINGGGGGGFG!!!1111!!eleven!!11
>>60284109
?????

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>>60284014

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>>60284014
>>60284128
LOL

>>60284097
25% single core performance > all of that shit. Checkmate, atheists.

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>>60284014
>>60284128
>>60284135
LOL

>>60284128

Intel is so fucked.

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>>60284014
>>60284128
>>60284135
>>60284143

>>60284071
>use tri-color LEDs
Don't even joke about that, my cousin died that way.

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>>60284160
Fuck your cousin, I died that way. I'm currently typing this from a creepy haunted computer.

>>60284143

25% slower multicore performance negates any benefit it had.

>>60284128
>>60284135
>>60284145
>>60284157
What's the source of this? Every other source contradicts this.

Even top of the line 1800x can't match the single core performance of the 7700k

>>60284097
>AMD doesn't tell me to not overclock my processor
Read the warranty to your Ryzen - if you do any OC, warranty is void. Same as with intel.
Also, guys, I never understood why is everyone so crazy about power efficiency? I mean, electricity is fucking cheap, what does it matter if you pay +$5 a month

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>182 replies to a bait thread
I didn't expect any better from /g/

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>>60283963
Not really, there's a point where OC doesn't increase performance enough to warrant the extra heat. Also intel strongly discourages overclocking the i7-7700K because it gets dangerously close to the point of permanent damage from thermal stress.

3.0GHz → 4.0Ghz = 33.3% performance increase
4.0GHz → 4.5GHz = 12.5% performance increase
4.5GHz → 4.7GHz = 04.4% performance increase

As you go to a higher frequency the likelihood of an actual overclock decreases but heat output drastically increases. Usually that overclock is just 200-400 MHz.

Anyway I don't really give a shit about OCing. In fact my A10 which can be cranked up to 4.2 GHz is currently set to 3.8GHz because it makes virtually no noise on the stock wraith cooler even when running prime95 for hours.

>>60282108
buy used i7k for your socket and 580

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>>60284396
The reality is that single core performance only dominates over multi-core in fairly specific use cases at this point. Poorly multi-threaded games--especially using Nvidia GPUs which have poorly threaded drivers--emulators and JavaScript are pretty much it. The vast majority of workloads at this point have an 1800x beating a 7700k for the same reasons a 6900k would.

10 core 6950X is the more cores CPU and Ryzen is not overpriced compared to that.

>>60284616
Really sad to see an entire industry of "enthusiasts" and countless fanboys clinging to single core performance like it's their last dying breath.

>>60280564
Fuck you, 4790k master race

>>60283996
>>60284007
>>60284093
>>60284512
Thanks. Wasn't sure what to do with Arma 3 being an unoptimized piece of shit.

>>60284785
Arma 3 is a meme streaming game anyway.

>>60284818
I like to play around in the editor. The AI just tanks the frame rate.

>>60280020
/thread

Cheaper to get an R5 1600 for multitasking in comparison to 7700k
Not having to spend more on an overclock-specific board
I don't care for unnecessarily high single-core performance
Being able to upgrade the CPU on my B350 motherboard in the next 3-4 years due to AM4's lifespan
Needing to spend more on a sufficient cooler
Needing to spend anything on a non-stock cooler at all, R5 1600 has a more than capable cooler bundled with it

>>60284470

I care about heat output and turning my computer room in to a sweat box which means cranking the AC. The less heat it generates the better.

>suddenly everyone needs 6 and 8 cores to shitpost and watch anime.

>>60284470

Find me a statement from AMD cautioning against overclocking Zen.

>>60285124
>suddenly a wild faggot comes out of nowhere, violently beating a strawman in the face

>>60285124

Suddenly there is now an option for people to make use of more than four cores at a reasonable price.

>>60285142
Why does it mean if they caution or not? They just say that it is not recommended, as chips are not guaranteed to work at not specify conditions. That is literally it. And thus OC is at your own risk and warranty is void if you OC. For Intel and for AMD

>>60279951
>pay less
From a cursory search R7 1800Ks are more than I7-7700Ks. Personally I'm looking forward to the next gen I7s now that Intel has some actual competition.

>>60280069
Don't delid CPUs. The thermal cover on a CPU has almost negligible thermal resistance relative to the whole CPU+cooler system. Better off just switching to a higher quality thermal paste, and getting better thermal paste coverage before you rip off that little bit of metal.

>>60280204
Nothing is future proof, 10-15 years off a build if you are okay with slowly degrading performance

>>60280293
Not terribly surprising really, most of these bench marks are like comparing a pickup truck (server CPUs) to a sports car (consumer CPUs). The sports car will always win until you attach a 10,000lb trailer to the two. Not that I disagree with the argument being made here.

>>60280460
>scientific programming
Eh, fewer cores with higher speed is preferable for a lot of applications, especially one that involve solving differential equations. Then again it will still take a lot of computing time when looking for steady state solutions so I guess neither is really better.

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>ITT retarded /g/ product fan boys falling for a baiting shills ironic shitpost

Good job goys

>>60285156
>implying we didn't have the option since Phenom and bulldozer.

>>60285197
>Don't delid CPUs. The thermal cover on a CPU has almost negligible thermal resistance relative to the whole CPU+cooler system. Better off just switching to a higher quality thermal paste, and getting better thermal paste coverage before you rip off that little bit of metal.


Hahaha what the fuck
you cant make this shit up, delided fanboy is delided

>>60285183
K-series from Intel are literally designed for overclocking though, and overclocking on both B350 & X370 boards was one of AMD's main things when talking about Ryzen.

>>60285238
Delidding a CPU for a machine that you rely upon for work is the height of stupidity. That actually goes for overclocking too. In fact, building a PC that you rely upon for work is stupid. Every minute you spend debugging your own PC build is essentially lost time and money out of your pocket. Better to make it somebody else's problem.

>>60285302
Not so much as they are designed for overclocking as much as Intel/AMD let them be overclocked.

>>60285424
>letting your CPU remain hotter than ignited thermite

Wew lad, sure sounds like goyim in here

>>60285424
Delidding a CPU or any reason is the height of stupidity.

>>60285446
That's what warranties are for. If you rely on your computer for work, you should have one.

>>60279951
7700k is of less quality and more expensive than even a Ryzen 1600X for most applications.
What are you talking about? Why don't you check benchmarks?

>>60285206

>Thinking phenom IPC in 2012 is ok
>Thinking 225w TDP in 2014 is ok

Fail dozer almost killed AMD.

>>60280770

Xeon tier chips are better binned chips that have almost of the core logic features enabled (Xeons are half-lock) unlike the customer-tier stuff.

ECC and VT-D are kinda important for the enterprise market. The mainstream market doesn't really care for them.

The enterprise market doesn't care for overclocking and overvolting which why Xeons being half-lock isn't that big of a deal.

>>60286377

Phenom II wasn't bad. It was a bit worse than Penryn, the 2nd Core 2 Duo/Quad but once Nehalem hit, it wasn't anywhere good and they stagnated so long before Bulldozer hit which almost killed AMD. The 5000 series Radeons kept AMD from sinking.

>>60280271

He was only wrong on cooling.

>>60282128
Why dont you go use a nice single-threaded OS then since you clearly dont need multitasking, you humongous faggot

>>60280295
>what is a filter wrench

>>60283924
That's why you fucking buy a binned chip

>>60287771
Most people are using windows already.

>muh cores
>proceeds to code HTML on arch running i3 while anime runs on the background

Since we are talking CPUs here, I have a 4790k. When the fuck is the best time to upgrade?

>>60290030

Next year for Ryzen+.

>>60279951
1. It doesn't shit on them.
2. Ryzen is cheaper, cooler and better.
3. Ryzen does't need a delid and isn't on an already dead platform

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>>60279951
1. Kaby Lake is a SCAM
2. Kaby Lake is a SCAM
3. Kaby Lake is a SCAM

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>buying infernolake

>>60286377
Piledriver was pretty good

>>60280174
I too drive with my hood off.

Retard.

>>60282108
Sell cpu, gpu, mobo and buy used 2500k/2600k +380 if you dont wanna spend much.
Ryzen+480 if you like new

>>60283520
probably saved even more by making them thin.

>>60284097
>AMD does not have a compromised NSA back door.
but it has a backdoor. not compromised yet but its there.

>>60280085
>bomb has been delided

>>60281681
x5650 masterrace here (launched around 2009)

6c/12t @ 4.2Ghz still eating 7700k's in multithreaded benchmarks.

Bought it for 50 euro's at ebay.

32nm also, which means it's not that powerhungry.

>>60291204
the thing with these cheap xeons on ebay is that the motherboard will cost at least $300

>>60291579
Not if you have the mobo already, lulz

Enjoy your 100C under load
>bought a Ryzen 1700
>52C under full load
>45C during gaming
>using the boxed cooler

>>60283520
You can buy delid tools on eBay that are 3D printed and almost idiot-proof for under $20. You literally slot the CPU in and tap until it loosens.

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>>60292856
When will AMD get a big break? Is it dead, or time to invest

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>>60280085
>>60290875

>>60292867
Don't invest into AMD. Vega will be bad for the stock, not because it sucks, but because the supply of Vega will be extremely limited because AMD is retarded.

>>60293042
>because the supply of Vega will be extremely limited because AMD is retarded.
You didn't actually take that stupid Tweaktown rumor at face value, did you?

>>60293079
It was the same shit with other Radeon cards in the past and it's AMD. I hope there won't be a shortage and that Vega will deliver, but i honestly doubt it.

>>60279951
>housefires
>deliding
>power consumption
>corelet
>jewish

there i gave you 5 do i get extra credit

>>60287697
>7700k doesn't have heat issues
lieing shill

>>60280319
Shaving is technology.
I just picked up a 100 pack of derby extra's for 13 bux.
Did I do good?

>>60293547
>power consumption
Are you guys living in some african shithole where electricity is limited and expensive?

>>60279951
If I were to buy a Ryzen CPU, I'd say:
-More cores and threads
-Smaller power consumption
-Half the price (R5) of both, the 7700k and the R7 CPUs while getting the exact same performance than the R7s
-Games don't use the 100% of the R5 CPUs but they do use the 100% of the i5s giving Ryzen quite a room for improvement.
-A brand new socket that logically will live more than the already built-on Socket 1151 and that already shows promising results considering AMD's past situation.
While the OC Capabilities are there in both, Ryzen CPUs and 7700k, I don't really care much about it nor I know which of them is more OCeable.

Ryzen's only problem is the single threaded performance and AMD's in time to fix that for Zen2/Ryzen+, so the next few years should bring some interesting things from both, Intel and AMD.

>>60293671
>I don't care about wasting energy because it's plentiful now and always will be all years forever

>>60287777

>>60280549
Xenon have error correction. Its why you render or do audio with them

The Jews© did it again!

When will the goyim ever learn? Now buy your Hyperthreaded™ BLACKED Edition™ i7 7700k today and get a Free™ wife's son with every purchase.

>>60279951
But Intel says to not overclock Pajeet or your mud hut will become baked shit. Ryzen beats it at stock.

>streetshitters making fun of Intel for being really hot at 4.2+ghz
>rypoo can't even break 4

top kek

>>60294069
>voltage limitation equals temp limitation
>Kelvin Lake™ easily hits 100°C
>Jewtel® tells customers no gtfo and not oc
>jewish cuckolds defend this
Really toppest of the keks.

5ghz at 1.152v
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9abuwGJ6S-8
5.3ghz and 3866 CL12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0S4Sp18cLU
The second one requires a delid

>>60294191
clock your rypoo at 4.2 with stable voltage and see what temp it reaches

actually just clock it to reach the same single thread performance of a 7700k at 4.2+

>>60294244
Ryzen can reach 4.2 stable with reasonable temps, but that's way past the recommended max voltage of 1.45v.
Also how about you simply clock your Kelvin Lake™ to the same multithreaded performance of Ryzen at max speed.
>inb4 logical core failure at 100°C
>inb4 muh single thread is all i care for
>>>/v/

>>60279951
If im not a dude gamer lmao, and i just do 3d intesive work and video work, is ryzen okay for me? i dont plan on playing overwatch on max settings or much gaming at all really.
i've always had i7s in the past and never had an AMD cpu before. someone here reccomended a ryzen 1700 + B350 mobo to me. Should that be fine?

>>60292867
Buying stock now for AMD is a bit of a gamble, but once earnings reports and datacenter/server reports come out after Naples, it should make a decent amount of money for people.

I wouldn't over look Vega either, basically AMD is a stock that should be held onto till 2018 atleast.

>>60294373
If the programs you are using are highly threaded, Ryzen is the way to go.

>>60294373
It's my understanding that price for performance the new amd procs tend to beat intels in multithreaded applications, but intel wins in single threaded still.

>having to delid is a fucking joke
>having government backdoors on your unsecured cpu
>having temperature spikes meeting or exceeding tjmax
lul
>intel telling you not to overclock the unlocked overclockable processor you bought specifically for that reason
>four cores
LOL
>horrible price:performance
>buying old tech
^remember this is a 6700k, rebadged
>bu-bu-buh-but!
no, fuck that, if you're going to shit on amd for rebadging, intel doesn't get a free pass.

>>60294349
>multithreaded performance

i'm not streaming an indie videogame to my 3 followers while encoding lets plays for my dead youtube channel

multithreaded performance is practically irrelevant for the average power user.

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>>60294069
wind back to 2005
>streetshitters making fun of P4 Extreme for being really hot at 3.7+ghz
>athlon can't even break 3
meanwhile picrel

>>60294422
>>60294397
ok thanks. i might take a trip down to my local microcenter and see what they got. I feel like im in this gray zone where I dont want a beigebox bestbuy computer but I dont want a ricer rainbow led/glasscase/coloredfans gamer build either but after looking on newegg seems like I cant beat that cancer

I got the i7-7700 for £249, that's okay... right? Average price at the time was £280.

>>60282128
Are you posting from 2003?

>>60294491
>automatically assumes even multithread performance is only for gaymen and streaming
>multithreaded performance is practically irrelevant for the average power user.
Shows how retarded you are. Come back when you grow up and do more than playing autismcraft on the (((rig))) daddy bought you.
>>>/v/

>>60294531
Well, that kinda depends on what case, what fans, and what motherboard you go for. Properly done you can avoid all of that shit.

>>60293671
no i have a 4790k and 290x, both of which are housefires, i don't want any more of them

>>60294583
if you are a professional who needs multithreaded performance you just buy a superior intel 6-10 core CPU.

The only people who are poorfags and benefit from multithread is millenial twitchkiddies.

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Found combo where r7 1700 costs 160€
the other thing in combo is ASUS PRIME B350M-A for 70€
no tax in those prices

I am so fucking stoked and excited as with i5 6600k i had no reason to update
but this awesome price, jesus fucking christ I will sell my old cpu + mobo for ~200€

For usage, I am on arch here.. but I play BF4 regularly, well not as regularly as I used to but I do game. But this ryzen will be awesome for when I am testing my scripts and shit in virtual machines.

>>60280174
>muh delid

what i hear is that you can't manage your systems thermals properly

>>60282295
>supporting palestinian sand niggers

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>>60294661
Just get the C6H and run 4.150ghz 3600 CL16

>>60294759
whats C6H?

>>60294753
>implying kike sandniggers are any better

>>60294759
>adequiteintel7700kcooolingsloution.jpg

>>60294923
Both are scum. I hate that they bring the argument of protecting the sand niggers to hate the kikes.

What the fuck is delid?
Never heard it before in my life

>>60295561
A process of removing IHS.

>>60295573
For what purpose?

>>60279951
Because Ryzen is superior where it matters, and most of the options cost less. Also I told myself that the 6700k was the last quad-core I'd ever buy, and I'm sticking to that.

Hopefully we will see some mainstream 6-cores from Intel soon, because X99 is hilariously expensive.

>>60295573
Method to delid soldered cpu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQZsXwRhjw

>>60295589
You need to do that with Intel(R) CPUs so that they won't throttle under load.

Guys, I have a question about this infamous intel stuttering. I have an old intel mobile chip i7-2630qm. And in games like HotS I have 60-80 fps but sometimes the game starts, I don't know, like stuttering. It feels like the fps is dropping to 20, but it stays at around 60. I never understood it. The same was with Arma 2, where I had stable 50-60fps but sometimes it started stuttering and feeling like 20fps, while the number was around 30.
Is it that famous stuttering that modern intel chips have, or is it something else? Also, do ryzens get rid of it? Is it really that ryzens are much smoother or just a meme?

I also have another question I don't know where to ask - on my PC 30fps feels like hell due to this "stuttering" or something but on ps4 30fps feels okayish to play. Why do I feel low fps much clearer on PC? Is it due to Intel? Is ryzen's 30fps okay to play?

Thanks, anons.

>>60295589
To replace poo Intel calls TIM with proper thermal compound.

>>60293079
>>60293138

I was literally reading this as I read your posts:

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-limited-quantities-launch/

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Looks like our Jewish friends at Intel supplied best bins to reviewers.

>>60290458

No it wasn't it was a piece of shit.

>>60283860
ok you just started running it thou, why dont you show a picture with time after its run about an hour.
No?
thought so

>>60281363
That's literally every technology...

>>60280887
What program are you using that can use 8 cores properly?
I am struggling to find programs that can even use 4 cores or threads. Or even 2 for fuck's sake.

(i7 920 and i7 4770 owner.)

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>>60279983
>>60280731
>>60280284
>>60280246
>>60280811
>>60282076
>delid
>it has heat issues
>housefire

Stahp. Here's my speccy on idle. No delid. Cryorig H7 cooler. One Fractal Design HP12-PWM 120mm fan as exhaust out the back. Three Noctua NF-F12-PWM pulling from the front. Fractal Design Define Mini C case.

tl;dr - lrn2cool

>>60296469
>idle
wew lad

>>60296420
btw I posted about this several times, but I have been meme'd into this multi core shit several times. and boy, it's fucking awful.

first the core2quad, then the phenom x6, then the core i7. they were all so fucking useless. if a game is well made and can scale, then it will run proper on a fucking toaster (i3). if it doesn't, it will run the best if you have strong single thread perf (7700K).

the ONLY thing I was able to use these is Gentoo's first emerges and kernel compilation. WEW!

>>60296501
> grape: the post

>>60293587
Not bad. I prefer feathers myself though. A bit more expensive but causes less irritation on my sensitive neck.

>>60296579
>>60293587
> 100 pack
What the FUCK.
I use these cheaper Gilette blades and they last half a lifetime.
> inb4 but muh blade
If you noticed, you will swap the first ones like a madman, then you use the last for a year. Just stop swapping so soon.

>>60281856
I looked into it. The oob management is only available with certain NIC cards. NIC cards most people dont have.

>>60296656
We know. But paid shills and dumb posters will never care.
AMD puts quite the money into these "social squads", you can see that here or on any other PC forum. So don't expect reasonable replies, accusations and proper conversation about hardware.

>>60295674
bump

>>60296579
I got some feathers from my b0ss after he made minced meat out of his face and neck with an old open comb gilette razor+feathers.
The feathers are very good too but i had to be very carefull not to nick myself.
I did +4 months with my last 5-pack of derby blaades

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Can someone explain please Ryzen turbo?

they say that 1700 has stock 3ghz, and turbo 3.7ghz

is it similar to intel, where not all cores go to that frequency? Or how does it work?

>l-look i overclocked it by .2 and its not on fire amd btfo
intel delid housefire kike garbage

>>60296656
IIRC it depends more on the chipset and CPU.
If you have a business-class notebook, you almost certainly have some form of AMT. The question is whether it's active.
Try opening localhost on these ports in a browser: 16992, 16993, 16994, 16995
My notebook from work has the AMT web interface on the first one, but logging in from browser is disabled so at least that's something.

>>60296760
Yes.

>>60294783
Guess the ASUS Crosshair VI Hero mobo

>>60294783
Channel 6 Hentai

>>60296469
>his CPU idles above 15c

when will hotfags learn

>>60284088
>cpu improvements are driven by the consumer market
nigger where do you think intel makes their shekels? newegg?

>>6029677
we have machines with those ports open on our network but I was unable to login.

>>60294759
> *flys away*
> nothing personnel

>>60284734
This des u. Remember when people were actually excited that GPUs were moving to massively parallel processing? But now more cores at a similar IPC isn't seen as an improvement. Fucking nigger kikes.

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>>60296526
>4 cores is a meme
>4 cores
>is a meme

You heard it here first, folks.

>>60296656
It's still bad news for businesses, govt. and educational. You know, 80% of Intel's customer base? Yeah, you might want to understand they're a bit upset about vPro getting turned into vPwned.

>>60297022
> 4 cores was mainstream in Core2Quad times
> Core i7 is 4 cores

You heard it here first, folks!

>>60297041
> forwarding a vPro machine outside
If someone is THAT incompetent, they would get breached regardless of this one thing.

>>60297057
>implying i7's arent mostly 4 cores
>doesnt know that while it being 4 corelets it has8 threads

>but i bought a 6800/6950

toplel

>>60297102
> threads vs cores matters
Yes bro, if you write a parallel for in C++ or C#, it will refuse to use the hyper-threading threads. In fact it will return 1 and tell you to check your thread privilege.

Obviously.

>stuttershit
>not purely a gaymer
>far superior workload benchmarks
>thermal throttling
>dying platform
>4 cores
>worse value
>paying an extra $100 for 10% fps difference when i can buy a 1600

hows that?

>>60297233
you seem to suffer from being an idiot.

>>60297247
> cannot reason
> has no comeback

Well, you can always go personal I guess. gj m8.

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>>60279951
>>60279983
so, to get those rediculous clocks you have to take apart the CPU?

>>60297290
My reason is youre a moron who cant read.

Re-read your own post, then mine, then commit sodoku

>>60297302
Yes.

>>60297245
>paying an extra $100 for 10% fps difference when i can buy a 1600
Son, you don't have a 100$ at all, let alone money for a 7700K.

>>60296760
Precision boost is two cores I believe.

7700k is shit and even intel knows this why do you think x299 has "kaby lake x" lmao

>>60297480
>no real counterargument
thanks for proving my point cuck