Why is American technological education (and American education

Because reading is for faggots.

>>60277970
hows that landing on the moon going eurotrash?

/wrekt

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>American """""""""""education"""""""""""
You mean the country whose president thinks global warming is a conspiracy theory and whose VP actually believes in gay conversion therapy?

LOL

I have no idea. Even the way they get their "PhD" comparable to anywhere in Europe is laughable, at best.

>>60278003
Americans invented the system you shitpost on you fag. Name one important thing a eurofag invented within the USA's lifetime.

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>>60277993
>he believes in the fake moon landings

>>60278031
Fat post.

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>>60278031
Your post is so inane it's baffling.

>>60277970
biggest problem is teachers unions, pretty much unless a teacher gets caught sleeping with a student then they're not accountable for their behavior or performance

>>60277970
Reading is for niggers.
Who wants to memorize a book?
- terry davis

>>60278040
Crooked unbrushed teeth post.

>>60278052
I'm using the inventions as a metric for intelligence. What's the point of learning if you don't do anything with it.

>>60277970
>they actually pay insane money to learn
only retards can think of a system like that

Compounding problems:

-most schools are underfunded because taxpayers don't want to support them
-teachers are afraid to exercise control over their classes because of litigious parents who could get them fired for mere slights
-teachers are generally underpaid and have to supplement classroom supplies from their own wallets
-No Child Left Behind just dragged the brighter kids down to the lower levels
-most universities lowered barriers to entry to bring in more revenue while also dropping most full-time professors for adjuncts
-most technical education is done at trade schools/community colleges that only poor people attend who then can't find work because community college gets you nowhere

So in the end you've got a system designed to push kids into expensive collegiate programs that they'll most likely drop out of without forcing them to learn anything more than some rote memorization and maybe how to hold a screwdriver

>>60278090
>oh no it's retarded

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>>60278094
So pretty much it's capitalism's fault?

Glad to see that "free" market is working out so well for you Amerilards. Keep pushing for it.

>>60278094
>-No Child Left Behind just dragged the brighter kids down to the lower levels
We got the same in France but it's the whole educational system that try to accomodate nignogs who don't want to work and shit on serious kids.

>>60278003
>gays ridicule conversion therapy while actually believing they can convert straight males to homosexuality

Can't make this shit up.

>>60278094
bullshit, the reason tax payers don't want to fund schools anymore is dismally bad teachers who can't be fired for underperforming

>>60278142
As long as they can buy foreign experts after they graduate, they'll be fine.
Top notch universities need a lot of money to pay for foreigners that do the research for them, that's why the tuitons are so high.

>>60278176

And the teachers underperform because they get paid next to nothing for their work and have next to no power over their students. Bring back corporal/creative punishment and the kids will suddenly start paying more attention and perform better.

>>60278031
Literally created computers.
>american education

>>60278211
teachers were underperforming with no consequence long before inflation and unpassed bonds killed their salary. and the ones that do "perform" are gauged by the wrong metric of teaching students how to take tests instead of how to think critically

>>60278154
>We got the same in France
Fortunately we don'thave this in Germany. People cry rivers about how our system is unfair to migrants because they can't attend to higher education, but basically those that are actually able to perform at decent levels are just doing fine.
We have however problems with economic interests in changing curriculums, like the made up "expert shortage" that sped up education in schools. There's no shortage. They just don't want to pay the wages.

>>60278176
Mostly because there is no good way to measure if a teacher is bad.
Ideally, the principal should be able to spot bad teachers and then fail to hire after a testing period like any other workplace, but teachers have traditionally never been employees.
Locally, we just changed the work rules for teachers and they all threw a fit.

The new requirements was that they should be present on the school during the day.

>>60278033
Why Soviets confirmed them then?

It isn't, actually American universities are the best in the world for STEM degrees, so much so that most countries, India, China, and Korea send over their brightest to go to our schools.

Problem is, that's the top 5% of schools, and the disparity is huge. Cornell, Rice, MIT and Georgia Tech for example are some of the best STEM schools in the world and companies like Google basically funnel graduates out of their programs and into their offices.

I love foreign exchange students, and I've become friends with a few, but it's honestly a problem right now. Taxpayers fund education used to train foreign workers and fill class seats that could otherwise be filled by Americans.

>>60278336
that's why I hate teachers unions. the mass protection from consequences gives them an entitlement complex

>>60277970
why do eurotrash always make anti american threads like they have something to prove. What does it feel like being born with a continent-wide inferiority complex?

>all worthwhile certs are provided by American foundations

lmao, okay Pajeet

>>60278397
Because they were in on the spherical earth hoax and it supported their lies.

>>60278445
this
the earth is flat my friends, it only appears spherical because of the curvature of space

>>60278443
>worthwhile certs
worthwhile in the US.

>>60278424
why do you assume he is European considering how "anti-americanism" (or just shitposting in this case) is generally widespread everywhere? Are you the one that suffer from an inferiority complex?

>>60278402
>actually American universities
>that's the top 5% of schools
So, the top 5% of american universities are also at the top of the world. well, no shit, that's how tops work.
>companies like Google basically funnel graduates out of their programs
Like they had a choice

>>60278443
>worthwile certs
>worthwile
>certs

murrica, fucccc ye

>>60278497
Because Eurocucks are usually the ones spreading the sentiment because they've realized they no longer have their own unique cultures, they're just facsimiles of American culture because they absorbed so much of it through pop culture. The only claims to fame Europeans have anymore is ancient buildings that they're slowly tearing down in favor of the cultureless steel and glass towers and white and dark colored box houses. Ever hear a European talk about their culture? It's always MUH CRUSADES and NAPOLEON OUI OUI

>>60278161
Literally not a single person thinks that.

>>60278580
Perhaps Europeans talking about their culture keep it simple when talking to you.

>>60277970
Because capitalism. The most retarded and inefficient system known to men.

>>60277970
Main problem is everybody is thrown together at highschool.

In my country you get separated into different levels based on school performance around age 13, and only the highest level (top 10%) qualifies for university.

>>60278623
Korea? Taiwan? Singapore?

>>60278405
It is a bit infuriating really.
Here, a normal work week is 37h, and 6 weeks of vacation / year.
Schools have closed a bit more often, so teachers work 40h / week and then have 10 weeks of vacation instead.
Obviously they don't teach all that time, so the rest is preparation for classes.
With the old rules, they could just say they spend the time to prepare and there was no reason to actually prepare for classes more than once.
Now they have to prepare on their place of work

>>60278580
>ancient buildings that they're slowly tearing down

No we don't.

In most Western European countries any remotely interesting old building is legally protected as a cultural heritage site.

My city alone has tends of thousands of heritage buildings which nobody is allowed to alter or demolish.

>>60278584
I had a gay friend who was constantly trying to convert one of my straight friends. He went on to work at Disney World since he was an English major.

>>60278424
Pretty much this, Americans don't make anti European threads.

>>60278664
>which nobody is allowed to alter or demolish.
In our capitalist times, money sadly allows for everything - if there's millions involved, it's sometimes cheaper to just pay the huge fines than to alter your plans. But it's considerably tough and generally leads to fuckhuge protests, that's true.

>>60278402
I shared my game theory course with a group of exchange students from Harvard.

All the math had to be dumbed down for them.
And their exam was made much easier than ours, else they would all fail miserably.
American students, even from your so-called "elite universities" are essentially retards compared to our students.

>>60278713
almost snorted.

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Don't worry you're not the only one :^)

>>60278728
Did I give you permission to reply to me? No? Then fuck off, and don't make that mistake ever again. You have NO idea what power I wield...

>>60278766
Your powers are weak compared to my power of unsolicited remarks!

>>60278584
Have you ever had any gay friends? Sure they say they're joking but sometimes they get too handsy

>>60278749
It about the same everywhere basically?

>>60278651
Netherlands

>>60278600
Yeah that's why all European countries economies are being bled dry

Bloated military budget, run by conservatives, rich and corporations. It's as simple as that.

>>60278749
That's about the same everywhere.

>>60278052
so you don't have a real response then? kay

>>60277970
The USA is a nation founded by farmers and religious rejects from Europe, now that all nazi scientists are dead and the advancements achieved by them have made it to the rest of the world it's returning back to the roots.

>>60278142
Socialism will not fix the problem if that's what you're implying

>>60278928
>>60278953
This is your average liberal argument, no substance or understanding of the subjects they are talking about

>>60278979
Well of course, they're not American and they hate the US, they just want to leech off our superior economy and send rupees home to their squalid homeland.

>>60277993
>implying everything americans have wasn't made by europeans

>>60278739
Isn't Harvard more of a law/business school?

>>60277970
the problem is the h1b program. companies don't want "the best and brightest from around the world", they want a bunch of foreigners who will work for less than an american worker with a college degree is willing to, and who they can ship back to bumfuckistan the second he gets uppity. when you see the google ceo crying about trump slashing the h1b program in the tech sector, you should revel in it and press S to spit on his grave

>>60278739
>Harvard

isn't that school like 80% diversity admits and legacy

>>60278966
As if this was a bipolar issue where socialism was a single state and the only alternative.

No real choice you can make is restricted to two extremes, but what am I saying this for. EVERY choice Americans have to make results in two extremes demonizing each other because even choosing options needs to be dumbed down.

>>60279050
it's 60% jews, and they still complain about there not being enough jews despite it being 10000x the population rate. not even pol, google it. if you're white and not a jew, you have about a 2% chance of getting in with stellar grades

>>60277970
It's pretty disgusting we are basing a discussion on a clickbait shit ad

>qz.com

pathetic

>>60279100
It's America bashing
we could base this on a picture of a half eaten cookie and everyone would weigh in anyway.

Blame the GOP. They want to feed students Christianity and "America First" instead of STEM and a wide world view.

>>60277970
my high school """tech class""" was taught by a dinosaur cripple woman who gave us packets about a typing program and Microsoft Word for 12 weeks

and our highest math class was calc 1

michigan public schools not even once

>>60278979
No argument was presented to me thus I am not required to provide a counter-argument.

Get over yourself.

>>60277993
>Half niggers think they made the moonlanding possible not the pure White germanic species
heh

>>60278906
Europe is capitalist though.

>>60279134
School has been shit for decades. How is this the GOP's fault?

>>60279190
Nah, if we let the average redneck evaluate our political system, we are clearly socialist. because we have taxes, health care, rules, don't allow nutjobs to buy guns, have working public schools and support a working welfare system.

>>60277970
It only covers theory and never practice.

>>60279161
How is a country ran by conservatives a bad thing? The reason European culture started to die after WW2 is because liberals gave little thought to preserving culture and tradition so you're forced to "culturally enrich" your boring countries with shitskins.

>>60279249

Ironically, they do cover practice, but most of that happens at community colleges/trade schools instead of the universities. The average 20 year old with a 2-year associate's degree in CS from a community college is usually more adept at code than the average 4 year degree graduate.

>>60279277
It's an irony of history that preserving culture and tradition generally comes with destroying what people you don't like contributed to it.

>entartete Kunst

>>60278953
>rural and suburban retards: the post

>>60278031
>Americans invented the system you shitpost on you fag.
>>60278230
>Literally created computers.
>>american education

Honestly, of all the nations of the world, the US has the strongest claim to have invented the computer, from Herman Hollerith's early tabulating system for the 1890 census, to the first electronic computers at the end of the Second World War to the invention of the personal computer.

Second would be the UK from Charles Babbage (who while a visionary, made little practical progress) to some early electronic computer (maybe you could argue ARM as well). But the British were too conservative to adopt advancements in office technology early on, and by the time they developed electronic computer they didn't have the resources to capitalize on them.

Other than a few machines here and there, continental Europe didn't do much to advance early computing. Safe to say that the computer is an Anglo-American invention.

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>>60278031
>>60278257
>tfw WWW (aka the Internet as you amerifucks know it) was develop at CERN
>tfw this type of board was invented in Japan
>tfw when the language you're using was invented by the brits

>>60279316
Yeah I guess youre right, China comes to mind. It's still a sad sight to see Western Europeans preserving nothing, not traditional clothing, not diets, not religion and the outcome is places like Sweden where people are scared to talk to each other in public.

The top universities in the world are all in the US. Education isn't the issue. They can hire a handful of Indians for the price of one American fresh out of college. Companies are willing to take the risk that at least one of these guys will get the job done, and if they don't they can fire the rest and grab a new batch of Indians.

>>60277970
Doesn't emphasize responsibility and dedication, but hedonism and decadence. Pretty much every foreign kid ever falls into that shit. The women less than the men in my experience.

>>60279523
People see what they want to see.
Cultural heritage in Europe is growing strong ever since, it's just developing, as culture always did.

Mostly it's religious people complaining about how "classical holidays" (that weren't even european to begin with) are losing importance to other habits. like the reformation day/happy cadaver has been replaced by halloween.'

Yeah, because celebrating all the holy sidekicks or a religious terrorist like on 50 other holidays throughout the year is so much preferable to something unique and cheerful.

>muh occultism

Or the favourite, a muslim wanting to be a member of the marksman guild causes a shitstorm in all of germany. I guess mainly because he doesn't drink and they want fair chances for everyone when they shoot at wooden birds while being drunk af.

>>60277970
>Why is American technological education (and American education in general actually) so much shit?

You guys all need to read this blog: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/

He gives the low down on how education reformers have continuously 'reformed' US education with little positive achievements but lots of negative ones at that, all because they refuse to acknowledge that that inborn ability trumps their bullshit programs. They don't want to admit the truth because it would mean saying that the racial gaps between Blacks, Hispanics, Whites and Asians is real and cannot be closed (without biological intervention). So we go around and around like a bunch of retards, wondering why the world is so crazy, given that we get the same results for doing the same thing over and over again.

Here's an example, which I will summarize below: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/corrupted-college/

>Be California State University system.
>Accept any high school graduate.
>CSU fills with Blacks and Hispanics, who somehow graduate without learning the fundamentals.
>Allow unlimited remediation.
>People complain.
>Vows to eliminate remediation programs.
>Found it would reduce Black/Hispanic enrollment, asks for extension.
>It got worse with the extension.
>California even eliminated the high school exit exams, because it was racist.
>So now they are going to allow remediation course to count as credit, as to not hurt feelings.

tl;dr You can get a bachelor's in California for doing 8TH GRADE MATH, thereby destroying whatever value the bachelor's had. Hope you've got your master's lined up.

>>60279483
>>tfw WWW (aka the Internet as you amerifucks know it) was develop at CERN

To be fair, the Internet was developed by DARPA, so I guess you could call a half-American invention.

>>60279651
>happy cadaver
all holies

I always mix them up because this whole crap is retarded.

>>60279686
You can call everything half-something

That's how globalization works in academia.

>>60279686
Sure no problem with that. Newgroups is a totally American invention, along with the related infrastructure that the WWW now relies on.

>>60278465

If the Earth is flat, show me a photo of its edge.

>>60279656
Nice "race realist" propaganda

>>60277970
Because college is a fucking meme in the United States. Half the people I know in sysadmin and software dev are hucking it degree-free. I know multiple people who could drop out now and make $75k.

HR departments and teachers unions push college when most CRUD devs don't need it. They can fuck off.

>>60277970
It doesn't have to work well, it just has to work (most companies opinion)
Also, school's are businesses, they don't really care either, as long as the student pays them.

>>60279656
Is it situations like this that make cutting money to public schools a good thing? Perhaps in the future private schools will soar in popularity.

>>60279483
We were using the internet long before that corporate sellout Tim Burnedusall-Lee created the WWW. Get fucked.

>>60279761
I know multiple people who make twice that right after they earned their bachelor's.

>>60279656
>tl;dr You can get a bachelor's in California for doing 8TH GRADE MATH, thereby destroying whatever value the bachelor's had.
And I thought that only we devaluated our degree's. Education hardly means anything nowadays

>Hope you've got your master's lined up.
They don't teach much either...

>>60279656
>California
>is shit
What a surprise.

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>>60279779
Whatever you say grandpa
>yfw 90s kid

So fucking fighting retards, at least you don't get pajeet education (bad outdated curriculum, teachers don't give a fuck and most "straight A" students just rely on rote memorization, and the lower caste ones cheat and le affirmative action).

>>60279775
>Is it situations like this that make cutting money to public schools a good thing? Perhaps in the future private schools will soar in popularity.

In the USA, they are already as popular as they will be, since they allow parents to keep their kids far away from disruptive troublemakers who destroy any productive learning environment.

>>60279827
Education in all of Asia is mostly memorization not just India.

>>60279031
>less than an american worker with a college degree is willing to
the problem is: americans don't want to work.

>>60279864

That assumes you put them in the right private schools. Plenty of private schools just end up being containment for retard children of rich parents.

>>60279781
Shit, where? I graduate in october

>>60279864
That's funny. In Germany, most private schools are for those who know that their kids are too dumb/lazy/entitled to graduate the hard way.
As an anecdote: My older cousin went to one, they finally took him out and he dropped down 2 classes and an entire school tier because the education in there was really bad. I mean, you got to know the kids of the rich and famous, but you sucked at everything and paying a lot of money.

>>60279926
Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, Twitter, Goldman Sachs

>>60277993
>be american
>come home from shipping missiles to isreal
>believe repeating digits on an anime forum changed the election
>shit myself while shopping for wonder bread
>get attacked by protesters
>get shot in a mass shooting
>nurse slaps me for not using xer preffered pronouns
>can't get obamacare because i spent my data cap on asian cartoons
>lose my job because it got moved to mexico
>get arrested for collecting rainwater
>serve three life sentences for resisting arrest
>cellmate trades my asshole for toilet wine
>get shot

but at least my flag is on the moon

>radiation has caused the flag to become completely white

...

You retards in this thread need to fuck off to either
>>>/pol/
>>>/int/
>>>/bant/
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

>>60280010

>radiation has caused the flag to become completely white
Vive la France!

>>60279898
Americans work 400 more hours in a year than the average western yuro what the heck are you talking about

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>>60278031

>>60278424
>why do eurotrash always make anti american threads like they have something to prove. What does it feel like being born with a continent-wide inferiority complex?

Yes. They resent their geopolitical subordination to the US, so to compensate they talk loudly and do nothing about it, because they know if the US fucked off they would have start paying their defense costs, which they don't want to do.

The same could be said about Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

>>60278033
>>60278445
>>60278465

> the autism of /g/

>>60279744
>hasn't seen Pirates of the Caribbean

>>60278405
Maybe you should try being a teacher once just so you can see how bullshit it is. Parents will regularly freak out at you for no goddamn reason and try to get you fired just because you gave their kid a bad grade. The amount of stupid bullshit parents will allow their kid to do at home is staggering. And then when they bring it to you and you have to deal with it, it just explodes. One shit kid can ruin a whole class, and a lot of parents don't give a fuck and will just blame you.

>>60278951
If you expect me to have a "real response," you first have to actually make sense.

>>60280152
which is also funny, because the US recently came to demand that we pay for our defence ourselves. Only to drop that demand after realising that this kind of dependency is vital for the US.

>>60278749
I watched this interview of a North Korean defector. She said that the people of North Korea, despite being treated unfairly, living without electricity most of the time, and basically starving, are the happiest people she can remember, and far happier than Chinese and South Korean people.

She said that having a simpler lifestyle and a lower quality of life causes people to actually be more fond with each other and to appreciate things more. She says that people without that kind of struggle outside of themselves create struggle within themselves, and basically the hamster wheel in their head is just turning too fast because there are no real concerns in their lives.

tl;dr
there's probably a psychological effect whereby people who live in poverty and for survival actually find more fulfillment in life
also, latin americans are just very warm, open people, whereas Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese people are private and reserved

I'd rather have our system compared to the mass suicides after exams like Korea has tb.h

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>>60278031

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>>60277970
Because if it was rigorous the brown kids wouldn't be able to do it.

If you make a class hard enough that only ¾ of the white kids pass, then you'll be lucky if 10% of the black kids pass.

t. Taught math for 10 years