Net Neutrality II: gofccyourself

>Murrika is retarded

Nothing new, keks from the world and so on.

/thread

>>60276770
>waaaaa I hate free market!1! let the goverment take care of everything, they exist to protect meeee!!!

>>60276899
How much of a beta faggot cuck you have to be to suck big corporations dick?

>>60276899
>Oh yeah, stomp me!

Reminder that every single major ISP has been violating net neutrality and getting away with it for at least a decade.

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Welp guess I'm never switching to tmobile now.

>>60276899
How are monopolies, "the free market"?

>>60276899
A natural monopoly is not the free market

>>60276899
>allowed to shitpost bevause of welfare
>not dying of black lung at 13 because of child labor laws
>allowed to shitpost of 4chan because hiro doesn't have to pay comcast big bux thanks to Net Neutrality
>thinks government regulation is harmful

If anyone not from America wonder whether or not we are retarded, the answer is "yes".

>>60277150
Well they're actually being sued for it last year till Pai dropped the case

>>60277366
Child labor laws weren't exclusively for coal miners retard and if you're a coal miner in todays age in America then you may as well take a bullet to the head since you haven't progressed at all over 200 years.

>>60276899
I hate nu-/g/

>>60277150
These rules had only been in place for like 2 years. A previous court ruling had the previous rules thrown out because the court believed that without Title II the FCC didn't have the authority to enforce net neutrality.

>>60276899
>waaaaaa I love Facebook! I'm a technology illiterate /pol/ack, please rape my face!!!!1!

>>60277488
Perhaps we shouldn't have spammed the "install Gentoo" meme. It let people who can only think in memes believe they belonged here.

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I agree with the decision. title 2 was a mistake

>>60276899
>I want to be raped by my own ISP
I hate shills

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>>60276770
>Net Neutrality
This is an issue in burgerland

>>60277654
Like it or not, a majority of internet traffic is from Burgerland

>>60277552
I said this when the rules were first introduced.
Title II is massively overkill for Net Neutrality, and it would only cause backlash by the ISPs.

We would have had much better results with very simple regulation that would be harder for them to fight.

A pure Net Neutrality bill that just basically says: no blocking, no throttling.

>>60276790
fpbs

>>60276770
get fucked op

>>60277686
>fpbs
'da fuck, fpbp*

>>60277682
t. someone who probably couldn't live without a day of internet

the internet is just as vital as, if not more than, radio and telephone. i will not accept anything less than restructuring ISPs as a public utility and hold them accountable as such.

>>60277682
Getting Congress to agree on stuff us some right? The GOP can barely agree with itself on healthcare

>>60277681
As are a majority of websites.

>>60276899

>Free market
Government regulations have been creating artificial barriers to entry to the ISP market. And no, I'm not talking about things like Net Neutrality, but the fact that you can't even dig to put in the wires for a new network.

It would not be easy to create an environment in the US where MANY ISPs are allowed to compete in any given area. As such, we might as well provide some basic protections for consumers.

>>60277483
>if you're a coal miner in todays age in America then you may as well take a bullet to the head since you haven't progressed at all over 200 years

>if you're still wiping your asshole with toilet paper you should kill yourself

>>60277870
but actually if you're a coal miner in today's age, you fucked up during numerous forks in the road.

learn a trade, a real trade, that will allow you to live long enough to see your kids grow up.

>>60277253
T-Mobile also does nxdomain-redirects

>>60276770
why don't they, you know, lay more cables?

>>60277754
That's a problem with NIMBYs, local governments (who have been bought-off by large ISPs) and pole-access rules. See: Louisville

One-touch-make-ready needs to be a thing already.

>>60277887
This is another clear example of how unintelligent the alt-right is.

We get that you want to kill off all the undesirables, but who will do all the dirty work after you've killed them all off?

You're blinded by greed and lack foresight of cause and effect beyond the first effect. Even dogs can comprehend more complex cause and effect scenarios.

Who am I kidding- you're probably just another NEET who just likes to post pepe images and tell people to kill themselves while pretending you're part of the working class. One day your actions will bite you in the ass and the sweet irony will be lost on the mashed potato mush that's rotting in your skull.

>>60277887
I'm sure a lot of them wish they could go back and choose another path but there's no helping it anymore, it's done. Their only prospect for money is coal mining and once that is gone their lives will be completely upended. Forget trying to pay for college or trade school these people will probably be homeless after a short while. Plus Trumpcare is set to take away their medical insurance so they'll also have untreated medical conditions from years or coal mining. What do you expect these people to do?

>>60278075
>b-b-but who will we use for slave labor?

Typical leftist scum.

>>60278137
>no counter-argument

Spoken like a true low-IQ alt-right potato.

>>60278075
what the fuck are you even arguing about? what kind of projection is this? you've entirely missed my point.

why are you defending coal mining? it's a bullshit activity that needs to die off with the 20th century. it pollutes to high holy fuck and the "clean coal" meme turns out to be a total shitshow. people who cling to coalmining today are the unintelligent cousin fuckers who can't be bothered to actually learn a trade and instead rely on manual labor. manual labor as a whole is dying through automation and it's for the best. the meme of unskilled labor is a 20th century notion and needs to be phased out.

i can meme around and play (((devils avocado))) by arguing that you should "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" even if you're 50 years old and out of a job. not my issue you didn't save for retirement! if your coal job is gone, time to get your ass into trade school or college, you dope! don't want no welfare drain.

(((PAI AJIT)))

>>60276899
Fuck off

>>60276770
>FCC is fucking again with the Net Neutrality
Good.

>>60278151
It's about all menial labor, you know, the stuff that's being replaced by automation, killing jobs and creating unemployment. Not even just menial labor, but even the blue collar trade jobs that you're desperately defending - Again, cause and effect, but what can I really expect from mashed potatoes that probably struggled to turn on the computer this morning.

>>60278144
Machines will do the dirty work, retard. We're already moving in the direction. What are we supposed to do with all the "undesirables" who now don't even have their slave labor jobs to keep them satisfied? Just sit back and enjoy their chimp-outs and rapes?

>>60277366
No one outside of America wonders whether you are retarded. Everyone knows your country is devoid of intelligence.

>>60278207
I suppose we'll throw them into the pit with you other useless NEETs.

>>60278193
are you so fucking dense that you don't even realizing you're creating a problem to argue about with your own kind?

nigga i ain't no cousin fucker. i want manual labor gone so that we can focus more on STEM, arts, and intellectual pursuits. the idea of universe income is necessary to assist those jobs we phase out.

fuck man why are you defending this shit? why are you actively defending someone literally killing themselves to provide for their family? the idea that someone should develop black lung and die before the age of 50 just to feed their family is fucking bullshit.

>>60277360
Except it is you retard. A natural monopoly is one that occurs naturally because it's the most efficient solution for the market. If others can't compete naturally then it means the natural cost of entry is simply too high so the company has every right to be a monopoly because they were the only ones willing to take a risk on such a high-cost, high-risk venture. Fuck off commiefag.

>>60278224
You'll be the first to feel their gentle dickings, Mr. urbanite

Holy shit, the anti net neutrality shills are rampant and /leftypol/ is using this to demonize /pol/.

>>60276770
>Apparently FCC is fucking again with the Net Neutrality and Title II status of the ISPs.
Good. Now someone tell those municipal governments to fuck off because they're even more rotten than the retards in the federal government. My town is literally blocking entry to Optimum Cable and blocking Verizon from laying down fiber. It's fucking comcast central because these government scumbags always want to interfere.

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>>60277870

>>60277681
VK isn't. Yandex isn't. Mail.Ru isn't either.

AROUND POOJEETS, NEVER RELAX

>>60278244
What prevents them from rent seeking?

>>60278233
>are you so fucking dense

The irony is once again lost on the potato, which is weird since potatoes contain iron.

I must be going crazy talking to a potato.

I want ancaps to fuck off with your meme ideology.

>>60278277
>government says you can't dig here
>let's just let the corporations control the digging!

Yes, I'm sure your Comcast overlords would be much kinder than your government overlords, you corporatist shill. Free market is a fucking fairy tale fed to dummies like you.

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>>60278321
>Said the communist/socialist who thinks Venezuela isn't a socialist country now even though it was when it wasn't a complete third world shithole nor did he think the USSR was communistic/socialistic because "The workers didn't own the means of production" even though it's economy was centrally planned in accordance to the doctrine of Communism

>>60278296
Getting in bed with government automatically makes them a coercive monopoly. And patents are bad comedy and should never have been implemented and the fault doesn't fall on the company for taking advantage of a system that was implemented by government. The only barrier to a market should be keeping things a secret. Maybe it's a good idea in theory but in practice the system allows for too much abuse (inefficiency), especially in tech.

>>60278386
Venezuela is socialist by Venezuela was also fucking retarded.

You don't just put your eggs all in one basket and spend every dime you receive. That's a great way to make sure you don't last past two decades.

>>60278381
Private individuals and companies should own all the land, utilities, and any paths they set up via rent or permission. Comcast doesn't want a competitor in a certain town? They can eat shit because people will gladly take rent for a competitor to land lines in their property and Comcast would have to bleed money and manpower trying to sign every land owner to exclusivity.

>>60278458
That's it.

You've sealed the deal.

I think I hate AnCaps over every other possible group of people in existence.

>>60278386
>Dude, it's regulation so that means it's literal communism. I have no idea what communism actually is, but it's a big word and scares me so I'll just call it that.

>>60278293
they're also insignificant

>>60278485
>Setting up a strawman and hitting it
Dude, where's you're argument

>>60278473
I'm not an ancap you retard. I just believe the government should be much leaner and out of land use and utilities.

>>60278510
Where's your argument? All you've informed me is that you have no idea what communism even is and just assumed anon was a commie because he rightfully hated ancaps like most people do.

>>60278522
Really, I thought those were ample examples of how Communism hasn't, doesn't and won't work because it literally fails to account for human nature in political positions and in terms of the economy. I'm not even an ancap, but seriously a commie saying ancap is a meme ideology is rich because communism is a hilarious failure an has been proven so repeatedly in the past century, whereas ancap is at best a pipe dream. and I called him a commie because I know for a fact that /pol/ and /leftypol/ converge on this board as well as /pol/

>>60278493
You are insignificant

>asking 4chan for help

>When everyone here supported Trump

I can't tell if this guy is trying to use reverse psychology or what.

>>60278602
*and has been proven so

>>60278635
>everyone here supported Trump
That's where you're wrong. /g/ is full of liberals. Probably the reason /pol/ wont leave us alone, they want to indoctrinate the next generation of /g/'s posters so they're more racist alt-right types.

>>60278473
Yup, AnCaps are the worst. They're like the peons of corporatist lobbying. They've sold their souls for promises of peanuts to become enablers and advertisers of corporate interests.

>>60278520
>believe

Into the trash it goes

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>>60278602
>>60278637
Communism is a failed ideology that shouldn't be around anymore, but that doesn't change the fact anarcho capitalism is a meme and always will be just a meme.

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>>60278774
>That's where you're wrong. /g/ is full of liberals.

>>60278869
The first time net neutrality came up, /g/ was almost unanimously for it. But now that Trump's administration wants to get it away, we suddenly have lots of threads/posters against net neutrality.

>>60278635
Do Trump supporters blindly support every decision his administration makes? As a European I cannot understand this. Even though I often have voted for Greens, I still don't agree with their nuclear energy policies.

>>60278952
>we suddenly have lots of threads/posters against net neutrality.
Those are paid shills pretending to be /pol/

>>60278774
Looks like you got lost on your way to reddit

>>60278999
Some of them, yeah. Eventually, unintelligent people fall for the rhetoric and start shilling themselves. This is how the alt-right movement started.

>>60278774
Not liberals at all. Just a bit more left than /pol/. Just look at the extreme hate towards pajeets taking their tech jobs and women in the tech field

>>60279045
Science and Technology are inherently progressive subjects, there's no room for denying factual evidence in science and technology will always moves on even despite what it may cause to the status quo.

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-every piece of data about you ever created is permanently stored forever
-throttling nationwide
-data caps nationwide
-price increases nationwide
-competitors blocked by governments
-botnets and backdoors added to every single electronic device
-microphones and cameras secretly added to devices that shouldnt have them
-intelligence agency takeover of every tech company because "national security"
-intelligence agency requiring everything online to use your true identity via facebook/google
-every forum and comment section on the net flooded by bots and paid shills by the same organizations electing Democrats and receiving funding from all the usual suspects rendering them unusable


how exactly did net neutrality help us in the last 8 years again?

>>60279150
None of those are because of net neutrality.

>neets think they need a 1 gigabit connection to torrent their anime

>>60279177
that wasnt the question. how did net neutrality help us?

>>60279243
It hasn't been in effect long enough to answer that question.

USA
>Liberal government, doesn't force broadband providers to share their networks
Canada
>Even under a conservative government (this was 3 months before Trudeau), forces ISPs to share their networks

Where did everything go wrong?

DRUMPF

Why the fuck do people care about this now? Even right now I'm getting throttled on my unlimited Verizon data plan because I went over the 22GB soft limit.

It's the same as people complaining about their cellphone provider having access to your information, Google and Facebook already have your shit .

>>60277654
Actually, in France we had an issue with one of our ISP (free) fucking up the internet speed around 7pm to 10pm, just to save money.
Then they started to argue about who was to blame : google or them, cause it affected google services.
Ofc when consumers started to complain and an agency was investigating, they put everything back to normal during the time of the investigation.

Anyway, that it is in Europe or USA, companies will always try to fuck up their consumes, so we should always be careful of this kind of shit

>>60279306
>it's already bad so just stop caring if it gets worse!
idiot
>It's the same as people complaining about their cellphone provider having access to your information, Google and Facebook already have your shit .
The latter are way easier to avoid.

>>60279399
>companies will always try to fuck up their consumes
only when governments give them monopolies

>>60279306
>It's the same as people complaining about their cellphone provider having access to your information, Google and Facebook already have your shit .
t: tech illiterate person

>>60278984
Everyone on 4chan is /pol/ meming because it pisses off the extreme left, and the rest just watch right leaning shit without looking into their stuff. Most of Trump's political shit has only helped corporations and fucked over the lower/middle class. But their either stupid or don't actually give a shit.

>>60279521
>Most of Trump has fucked over the middle class and lower class.

The whole point of the campaign was to get rid of debt.

>>60279567
You are lying to yourself if you think that was all he promised.

Oh fuck, we're gonna get more newfags from reddit. Not only the usual political activist niggers like the_donald, but also tumblrfags who want to end ajit. Jesus Christ, save us.

>>60279605
Tumblr being against a brown person? What alternative universe did I stumble into?

>>60279600
I would argue he never even suggested he wanted that.

What made Trump's campaign resonate with so many different groups is that everyone saw what they wanted to see but Trump rarely actually stood by any of the things his followers suggested.

Trump's ideas include:
the wall (and make mexico pay for it)
repeal (and replace) the ACA
vetting of immigrants

>>60279664
https://mobile.nytimes. com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html

>>60276899
I'd rather the government rapes everyone than getting raped by cuntcast

For once, the current year man has the right idea

>>60279707
It's a sham bill to disguise massive tax cut.
That's all they actually care about.

>>60279707
It's lacking the "replace" step that (I think) Trump claimed he wanted. In fact Trump doesn't seem to understand what the bill even is, it seems like he thinks it's a single payer bill or something. He also made the comment to Australia's president that their healthcare system is better than ours, Australia's system is single payer oddly enough.


The only thing that bill has in common with healthcare is that it kicks a lot of people off of it.

>>60279897
Yeah, the new bill is probably going to get me off health care. I can barely afforded it now.

>>60279521
>Most of Trump's political shit has only helped corporations and fucked over the lower/middle class.
citation needed, john oliver

>>60279811
This. Life has improved due to regulations, consumer protections and laws that keep businesses in check. Government needs change to make regulation smart and efficient so businesses can be held accountable AND the ability to vote with our dollar. We're past the point where the free market can work, if we hand the reins over to corporations, we're going to be in far worse shape. After all, who is lobbying government? The wealthy and large corporations/conglomerates. We need to fix government, but not get rid of it.

>>60279664
>the wall (and make americans pay for it)
fixed

>>60279255
Too bad about the caps, though.

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the FCC will just ignore all our comments anyway because republicans.

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I'm sorry, /g/.

You tried to warn me but I thought it was just memes.

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>>60276899
>I want the Jews to have a blank check to raep the internet even worse than they're already doing

Uncle Adolf thinks you're a fucking retard.

>>60280572
Not all of us brownfags are this fucking corrupt and retarded. Pls don't turn into an racist Anon-kun.

>>60278244
wrong. a monopoly is no different from the government

>>60280644
99% of you are. I've seen a great deal of indians and I think I've met one who was decent while the rest were exactly what the stereotypes told you to expect.

Indians are the worst man. They are just completely at odds with American culture in almost every way.

>>60276770
>Apparently FCC is fucking again with the Net Neutrality and Title II status of the ISPs
Good.

>>60276770
Inb4 drumpf shills claim that net neutrality is "more govt interference"

>>60280741
My question is where the fuck would you even find these absolute caricatures? Like yeah, I'd encounter them every once in a while, the faggots who smell like onions and curry and can't into speaking English with any finesse whatsoever, but it's usually the minority. I'm honestly just sad that none of /g/ ever met a decent Indian.

1)Arguments stating the relative ineffectiveness of Net Neutrality are redundant: if they are/were so ineffective, why are these huge companies so invested in getting rid of them?
2) I worked in management for a company that subcontracted the PCI/customer service end of every US ISP services/new services established online. Our clients included ATT, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, Charter too name a few.
I could name dozens of their policies that are geared toward deceiving customers and maximizing profits.
For instance, many of these companies were/are pushing SIK (self install kits), telling the customers that they will be able to get their services sooner (including paying my former employer to call customers with pending install dates to offer SIKs).
This was expressly done because the SIKs only succeeded about 35% off the time. So, instead of getting the amount of a normal in person install, the ISP gets the price of the SIK (with hidden charges most will drop if discovered and debated, such as charging you for a router included in the SIK even when you have supplied your own) and an "emergency technician visit" (more than a normal install visit).
Our clients (the ISPs) were aware we were calling accounts that would have technician install dates before the SIK arrived (including up to a 5 day period before services were activated regardless of the SIK succesful install, which the customers were not told about) and that CSG (the billing/account software used by many of the ISPs) showed the customers as needing a tech install due to issues with the drop, tap or other factors (such as wiring within the residence).
It was a win/win for the ISP: a succesful SIK freed up a tech/saved money on deploying a tech, or extra charges for a failed SIK.
And there were so many cases where the ISPs were aware of similar issues...

(cont'd)
3) CSR were disciplined for discussing the benefits of Net Neutrality with customers (some were terminated). To gain the PCI contract for many of our ISP clients we had to include a "no criticism clause", which meant none of our CSRs could speak negatively of our clients with a customer (or be recorded having such critiscm between calls) without being fired.
Our ISP clients required QSR (quality standards review) where we sent them huge amounts of calls (randomly chosen fom the queue by serial number) to review. And all CSR calls within our facilities "were recorded for quality assurance".
Having directly dealt with ISPs for a good chunk of my career, I can tell you they function like some scifi dystopian tyranny.
4) Please go here, choose the Express option, fill out the needed info and do something positive with your time: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/proceedings?q=name:((17-108))

>>60280810
I run a manufacturing business. They are just assholes as Microsoft and now the FCC shows us.

I'm pretty sure it has to do with your caste system. The faggots on top just arbitrarily fuck with everyone below because they can so when they come here, they act like they can do the same thing. The ones who were below continue to be the dirty motherfuckers that they are instead of taking the opportunity to improve.

I think it gets better after the first generation born here has had time to adapt.

Ways to trigger nu-/g/
>Point out that free software advocates are radical leftists
>Point out that ISPs are paradigms of successful American capitalist corporations
>Point out that right-wing governments support corporate interests
B-but Trump will keep the Pajeets out (except the one running the FCC)!

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>watching John "fuck the 1st, 2nd, 4th and every other amendment" Oliver
>watching a British man who complains about Russians influencing American politics while trying to influence American politics
>watching the 2016 jew
Wrong

>>60280976
>ISPs are paradigms of successful capitalism
Wrong; they're a product of cronyism and government contracts. Utilities are one of the few areas where government regulation can lead to a freer market.

>>60276899
>not even an argument
wew

>>60280810
Pai is acting in accordance with the wishes of Donald Trump and the Republican Congress so apparently plenty of white Americans born in America are at odds with American culture too.

The problem isn't Ajit Pai is necessarily representative of Indians. The problem is that he was chosen for his position on regulation, and if an Indian wasn't chosen, someone of a different race would be chosen with the same ideas.

If we had Democrats and they chose an FCC chairman and he happened to be Indian, then he'd likely oppose net neutrality.

>>60279243
>that wasnt the question. how did net neutrality help us?

that's not really an argument, but here are some things it protects against:

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.
2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace
2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)
2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.


I have sources for these too if you want them

>>60281104
Not him, but sources would be very nice please.

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>>60276899
>>60277360
Natural monopolies are by definition, the free market.
Artificial monopolies (the current situation) are not, they are created through interference with the free market that corperate lobbyists bribed the government for, currently in the form of licensing fees, government permission to construct, copyright, etc.
In a free market, ""monopolies"" are created through the genuine satisfaction of the consumers, if those monopolies were to begin to dissatisfy the consumers then there would be a market incentive for other companies to fill the gap created, and possibly replace them entirely due to the distrust that such negligence might create in people.

The requirement of net neutrality in the current-day is created by the government enforced monopoly that ISP's currently have, and the motivational differences between gov-monopolies and free-monopolies.
If net-neutrality were not to exist in the current day, then ISP's could abuse their customers, and censor the internet without reprise.
Because of ISP's gov enforced monopoly status, they do not have to worry about compettitors rising due to consumer dissatisfaction as-much/at-all.

>>60281193
That's a top tier pic

Ben garrison is truly our lad

>>60281104
>>60281152
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/eff-tests-agree-ap-comcast-forging-packets-to-interfere
https://www.cnet.com/news/telco-agrees-to-stop-blocking-voip-calls/
http://fortune.com/2009/04/03/group-asks-fcc-to-probe-iphone-skype-restrictions/
https://www.wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge/
http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12
http://searchengineland.com/verizon-blocks-google-wallet-att-likely-to-do-the-same-103759
https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/11/07/06/verizons-illegal-app-blocking
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html
https://www.freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality
https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2013/09/18/verizons-plan-break-internet

>>60281193
In a free market why would you assume that a new company could compete with them?

>>60281193
Monopolies are also harmful to the consumer, for what possible reason do you support something that is against your own interests? And giving the ISPs the opportunity to charge people differently for different types of data/content will favour large corporations at the expense of the more niche things, like 4chan for instance.

>>60276770
>I think the topic is worth of discussion.

Pointless.

/g/ doesn't understand net neutrality or how the internet works.
They will support whatever Trump says is needed to "stop the evil government".

>>60280976
>ISPs are paradigms of successful American capitalist corporations

Then why are they slower than Eastern European ISP's?

Moldova is the poorest country in Europe, yet their internet is many times faster than yours.

>>60276899
Because the free market has proven time and time again that it should be trusted

>>60281303
All of the current reasons that another company could not compete are eliminated in a free market. If you can come up with a reason why they could not compete in a free market, I would be overjoyed to discuss it with you.
If someone figured out how to bypass all of the problems of some issue, asking them "but why do you think your idea would work" is frankly absurd, without giving a reason why it wouldn't work there is nothing to discuss.
>>60281320
I personally support net neutrality NOW, but not in a free market (which we do not have). Because today, without net neutrality ISP's could censor people, does not mean that they could do the same in a free market, and I explained why they could not and would not want to.

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I honestly think the best part of this video was the fact the censored the name anonymous

>>60281479
>Good business practices =/= successful

Also, people don't have options for other isp in some cases.

>>60281523
Free market can't exist moron.
Literally more delusional than communists.

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>>60281626
Keep spouting the line, maybe one day it'll come true.
meaning:prove it

>>60279454
Which is what they're trying to do in the US. The bad thing is that if this happens, especially in the US, many countries will follow the leader

>>60281479
It's a lot smaller (bit bigger than Maryland) which makes things easier.

>>60277728
>websites
>what are CDNs?
This will reflect only in the US

>>60281277
Thanks anon

>>60281551
You watched the whole thing? Damn man. Is there a point in the video that summarizes the whole thing? I don't have 20 min to blow right now.

>>60276899
>they exist to protect meeee!!!
But they do?

>>60276770
Can I get an actual source for what the FCC is doing?
All this sounds like right now is libtard fear mongering, which is nothing new.

>>60281801
Government exists to take your money in the form of tax, not really protect you.

>>60281799
British cuck-man bants on FCC
Calls all the internet to stop the FCC
Blurs an anonymouse post

>>60281820
Why don't you try looking on their actual site you dumb cunt. It's not like it's all over the fucking news and the pajeet is exclaiming loudly what he thinks and what he plans to do.

>>60281892
>implying I go anywhere but 4chan for my news

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>>60281920

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>this video is not available.

>>60281947
>>>/r/eddit

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>all these right-wing shills

Get lost on your way to /le_dolan/?

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this is quite possibly one of the only things that both "the left" and "the right" can agree on. drop your petty differences for once, this is more important than your online cliques. you don't even have to talk to each other, just send the message

www.gofccyourself.com

>>60282101
Read a book nigger.

>>60281193

How is it a natural monopoly when telecoms have lobbied in laws in about half the states in the U.S. to effectively criminalize competition?

There's nothing natural about crony capitalism. Net Neutrality prevents telecoms from using their crony capitalist position to fuck with their captive market.

>>60276899
>>they exist to protect meeee!!!
They litterally do you actual fucking retard.

>>60282454
>How is it a natural monopoly when telecoms have lobbied in laws in about half the states in the U.S. to effectively criminalize competition?
Strawman, whether intentional or not. I said quite clearly in that post that we are not in a free market, to say that I said that the current monopolies are natural is plainly wrong.
>There's nothing natural about crony capitalism.
Of course not
>Net Neutrality prevents telecoms from using their crony capitalist position to fuck with their captive market.
It's hacking at leaves and not the root of the problem.

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>>60282199
I did it.

Weirds me out that they asked me for my address and shit.

>tfw on a purge list now

>>60281193

sad cuck man hiding behind big strong daddy from the scary media

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>>60282551

>>60281820
when Obama was in office and the same net-neutrality issue was discussed it seemed a common problem here on /g/.
now it's "libtard fear mongering", just because the crisis was resolved DURING Obama's presidency.

just how brainwashed are you trumptards?

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>>60281193
P U R E I D E O L O G Y

>>60282582

pictures of some youtube faggot are also not an argument

>>60282664
All of that was come up with on the spot. It's rather dissapointing that all i've gotten back is ad hominem.
>>60282692
I don't need to prove insults wrong anon, obviously memes are not arguments, but I'm not daft enough to try and prove an insult wrong since it is entirely irrelevant.

>>60282722
>is ad hominem.
...and strawmen, sorry I excluded that.

>>60281820
Parasitism will be the death of society. You are a cancer.

Maybe I'm retarded, but couldn't they have done this shit before net neutrality was passed?

Why wouldn't they just do it then?

>pajit street shitter shills everywhere on this site

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>>60278233
>i want manual labor gone so that we can focus more on STEM, arts, and intellectual pursuits

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my 9 years on 4chan.

can somebody explain the difference between title I and title II ?

>>60282872
Data neutrality was one of the core principles when they designed the internet.
Although it wasn't a law, it was a strict rule every ISP lived by.
It would have caused quite a stir if one ISP broke with it.

You also have to realize that ISP's need each other.
The moment they stop passing through each others data the whole system can collapse.

I think what's different now is they have massaged the media/politics to break the taboo.

>>60282963
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/what-is-title-ii-net-neutrality-fcc/

>>60282199
>both "the left" and "the right" can agree on.

Think again.

Net Neutrality is pinko commie lefty liberal big government intervention now.
Nobody on the right will support it, FOX news told them not to.

If God Emperor Trump wants to end net neutrality then we should all be supporting him. Big surprise, 4chan the liberal shithole is nothing but a big gang of traitor cucks.

>>60283097
>>60283094
Why are /g/ posters such cancer?

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>>60276770
>Internet pirates are protesting to get daddy government into their internet to fix a problem that has never occured

>>60283094

if we had lost net neutrality, all pro-right wing media would have been completely gagged. well beyond just CNN desperately trying to keep a lid on it. fully. fucking. gagged. with impunity.

this goes well beyond "pinko commie shit", or "altright nazi shit" this is total assault on the freedoms of the american public, left and right.

you want to drain the swamp? now's your chance

>>60283097
>Big surprise, 4chan the liberal shithole is nothing but a big gang of traitor cucks

If you hate this site so much then why are you here?

Jesus, I wish all you faggots from reddit would just fuck off back to where you came from.

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>>60276770
if John Oliver is shilling for Net Neutrality, then I'm against it.

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>>60283180

it's never occurred because the telecoms never got their way in the first place

>>60281193
Two hours later, and through serendipity/research, I have proved my own argument wrong and found further, semi-unrelated, arguments against net neutrality to my immense satisfaction.
Fuck, you people are useless.

>>60283180
>all these companies with a history of anti-consumer practices will never stoop to something like this go-, I mean guy

>>60283243
So it's never occured without the legislation... But let's introduce legislation with hundreds of points regulating ISPs because some of those points are relative to addressing public concerns?

It's almost as if the real world of policy making is very different from sensationalist media headlines... Woah!

i can't be bothered to write my own comment. did reddit write a copypasta for this yet?

>>60283180
see
>>60281104

I'm a thirdie. Should I care?

>>60283097
Sorry but it is Donald Trump.himself that is the traitorous cuck.
He literally betrayed all of his campaign promises, bombed Syria, "I'm a globalist and a nationalist", no draining of swamp, no Hillary in jail.
The list goes on and on. You can keep being a cuck if you want, but that's on you.

Anyone have sources to explain Net Neutrality?

>>60276770
I don't know why retards magically think this will somehow stifle internet providers as if they already haven't stifled competition themselves over the last 30 years

>>60278075
Looks like you need some countryside reeducation

>>60284348
Its simple, ISP's aren't allowed to discriminate about the content they run through their network in any way shape or form

They're also not allowed to charge more for some content over others which would be a form of discrimination

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>>60276770
Am I the only one who wants to watch the internet die?

>>60284550
Yes.

>>60284550
Nah, I'd rather all normalfag phoneposters to fuck off.

>>60282134
Not really, but it seems like you don't know /leftypol/ is on cripplechan

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>just sent in my own express filing
Feels good. I just hope my government actually listens to its citizens.

>>60284624
I'm posting from my phone and you can't stop me.

>>60284550
can't happen fast enough

>>60277150
Remember this is no reason to say, fuck it and drop the whole thing back to title 1.

>>60277150
How faggot? Post proofs

>>60277887
those coal miners allowed for the 20th century to be one with electricity and everything you have today to exist.

yea fuck those guys they are just dumb

>>60276997
>Sucks governments dick
>calls other people gay for sucking corporate
You realize while you have your tongue up the governments anus they're busy sucking off corporations .

>>60284348
bad as i hate to say it, watch the two Last Week Tonight episodes involving the topic.
its not a bad explanation even if its from current year guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vuuZt7wak

>>60285559
wow it's a bunch of completely hypothetical scenarios that are already illegal

>>60285582
explain then how it is illegal for an isp to slow traffic to some sites and allow higher speeds for companies who pay them for it?
also while you are composing that, eat a bag of dicks

>>60285655
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_events/joint-venture-hearings-antitrust-guidelines-collaboration-among-competitors/ftcdojguidelines-2.pdf

>>60276770
Honestly I'm kind of okay with corpos fucking over the internet. Get some of the faggots out, and maybe meshnets will get attention.

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>He still thinks the internet should not be regulated like a utility in the year of 2017

this topic has been great in revealing who's actually interested in technology and who is newshit /pol/ sewage spilled over
too bad the mods aren't paying attention

>>60285769
Corporations have your interest, not the government you cuck.

>>60285708
>Rule of reason analysis focuses on the state of competition with, as compared to without, the
relevant agreement. The central question is whether the relevant agreement
likely harms
competition by increasing the ability or incentive profitably to raise price above or reduce output,
quality, service, or innovation below what likely would prevail in the absence of the relevant
agreement.
Rule of reason analysis entails a flexible inquiry and varies in focus and detail depending on the
nature of the agreement and market circumstances. The Agencies focus on only those factors,
and undertake only that factual inquiry, necessary to make a sound determination of the overall
competitive effect of the relevant agreement. Ordinarily, however, no one factor is dispositive in
the analysis.

basically loopholes big enough to drive Jupiter thru

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>>60285791
> Corporations have your interest

>>60286122
why else would you be giving them money?

>>60276899
spbp

>>60286140

Having something you need in today's society =/= having your interest in mind. Especially if it's in a monopoly.

>>60285791
>Corporations have your interest
great bait. 10/10.

Anyone have some screencaps from the previous Net Neutrality threads from years ago? I'd love to compare that with the shitflinging that is this website in $CURRENT_YEAR. moot had the right idea with deleting that disgusting board.

>>60286356
you don't need it

>>60286392
>Internet
>You don't need it
Please shoot out some fringe reason for why people in today's society don't need the internet? Also, check where you are before you even post.

>>60286392
>you don't need it
most other developed countries actually do think internet access is a human right. so does the UN.

but you knew this already because you are simply trolling.

>>60286425
>>60286436
UN is gay and obsolete. internet is not a human right

>>60286463
>it's wrong because i said so
>i have more authority on this subject than other nations AND the UN
lol
back to >>>/pol/

>>60286470
pol runs the entire internet right now you retard. the government can't save you

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>>60286484
>pol runs the entire internet right now you retard

>>60286484
You probably also believe that the moon landing is fake and earth is flat, don't you?

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>>60286500
Hi Joe Rogan
>>60286498

>>60280572

hes more tooth than man

>>60286484
You might as well be le Reddit army. kys my man.

>>60285406
hacking your IP right now

>>60286564
t. some fag who gets all his opinions from a late night comedian

>>60281193
good post

boot licking retards want to layer more regultation on top of regulation

>>60286588
>Some rando /pol/ hates brings up an issue that is universally going to cause issues as proven by shady business practices ISPs have shown in the past.
>E-everything you know is from a comedian.
Read a book you dumb faggot.

>>60286484
cringe

its anonymous all over again

>>60286628
I read lots of books because I'm not a retard who relies on the internet for their sole existence

>>60281104
Holy shit, I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was this bad.

Fuck you Trump and ISP bootlickers.

>>60286678
>2013

>>60285791
ISP oligopolies are not in anybody's best interests except their own. Most towns have terrible broadband options - the shitty cable provider, the shitty DSL provider, and a bunch of other non-solutions like satellite.

Competition is nearly impossible. Laying competing infrastructure is such an expensive endeavor that even somebody with pockets as deep as Google who benefits from an open internet gave up. Common Carrier, forces ISP's to share their lines with other companies, but since NN is going away who knows what's going to happen there.

>>60278458
Ok tell me anywhere in the planet or through history where that happened?
I'm genuinely curious

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If net neutrality is removed what is to stop me from lobbying ISPs to block 4chan?

>>60287084
I hope that does happen. Killing this site would be the cherry on top.

>>60279567
You're a fucking idiot
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-treasury-haircut-idea-insane-2016-5

I don't even feel bad for you fucks anymore you so deserve it. You practically beg for it.

>>60287084
a couple million dollars

>>60287121
>I'm a liberal high up in comcast and I can't wait to see you fucking idiots get raped on your cable bills I have so much comcast stock they have an amazing employee purchase plan.
What did you mean by this?

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>>60287106

It would be too hard either.
Stir up some child porn allegations on national TV just by showing the hentai boards and push the major ISPs to block it.

>>60287168
I think they mean most people don't have the option of multiple ISPs and moving to a new location just for internet is beyond the reach of most.

With these two factors in play ISPs (ala Comcast) will be able to raise pricing with little impact to their subscriber-ship numbers resulting in a lower tier of service for end users (the posters on this board) with little recourse offered in anyway for us to change this.

>>60287169
Oh totally. /co/ post illegal content all the time. Disney and Warner probably aren't happy with that.

>>60287206
oh i know that, but he deleted an identical post that contained the quoted sentence.

>>60285791

Hope is just a troll post and not a "redpilled" edgy underage.

>>60278618
Doesn't change them being insignificant

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>>60276770
>help john oliver
why?
do discord posters really just bow to him or something?

>>60281799
>2017
>Not watching videos at 2x speed

I like how he can do a weekly show with a little bit of research into a subject but goddamn, why do people in his audience laugh and clap like seals? There's literally nothing funny when he tries to make jokes. I swear I could tolerate his show without the "comedy." It's just hard to tune out the cringe while also listening to the important bits of info but I got through with this one

With that said, Title II needs to stay. He said in this video that this is a complicated subject but it really isn't. Tim Berners Lee has made it simple: all bits are equal. If any reform needs to happen, it's to spell it out very simply. No throttling and no blocking unless it's for a very specific circumstance like preventing a DDOS attack on your network.

I'm probably preaching to the choir here but I still felt like writing this

>>60284550

What if ancient civilizations before us advanced to the internet age and beyond but we don't have records of their existence because all the information was electronic so their history kind of cuts off at the stone age?

>>60288044
>I swear I could tolerate his show without the "comedy."
The only videos I've watched from that guy were Net Neutrality related, I could never tolerate that shit every single week. Fuck.

>>60288044
Eh, I watch his show. I laughed at his "Last Cucked TOnight." Joke.

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do i have to fill that with legit info or can i just bullshit the name and address etc info boxes?

>>60276770
>i cant afford internet
TOPKEK

>>60277366
I'm gonna assume that someone adequately BTFO the first guy and I'm gonna talk to you.

> Allowing NEETs to shitpost is evidence that Welfare isn't harmful.

Dolt. Welfare takes from productive people and props up unproductive people while demotivating them to find work and become productive.

Your other two points were valid, though. Your conclusion - that government regulation is good - was not.

Minimal government intervention to prevent human rights abuses is a necessary evil. Government regulation is inherently bad but, as in the cases of child labour or net neutrality, it is occasionally the lesser evil.

>>60289778
I pay $60 for 1.5Mbit internet in the Great US of A. Go fuck yourself.

>>60290255
And you will continue ro pay because there's nothing for free and the Great US of A isn't communist.

>>60290163
>Government regulation is inherently bad
Dirty government stopping me from dumping industrial waste in the rivers.

>>60290272
Yup, nothing but monopolies here.

>>60290287
yea! who do they think they are?
-- oh wait

>>60290287
>All regulations are inherently the same
>Thus the regulations that stifle small businesses from actually competing in the market and have no other real task are the same as safety/environmental regulations

>>60290613
>Government regulation is inherently bad
>All regulations are inherently the same
Maybe we can stop with generalizations.

Not sure about that, but is getting a VPN a way to avoid pipes discrimination? If so, net neutrality will be expansive, but not impossible? amirite?

americans rely on a brit to save their freedom?

>>60290672
Well, someone equivocate gov't regulations that have no effect other than hinder small business with worker/safety regulations, which actually serve a purpose

>>60290801
Not really. I mean, you can already discriminate VPN connections.

Or anything encrypted that isn't going to Microsoft.

>>60276770
sorry commies but trumps making, america great again and theres nothing you can do about it..

regulation has always lead to failure and now the based free market can literally fix it
fuck (((net neutrality))) and fuck you

>>60285510
>A is bad, so I support B, which is even worse

>>60276770
>gofccyourself
>t. le meme army
>>60277150
>traffic shaping is violation net neutrality
when someone's dog shits on my lawn, why i should be denied putting a fence, just because it "violates" HOA regulations?

P2P traffic really fucks with networks

>>60291086
>when someone's dog shits on my lawn, why i should be denied putting a fence, just because it "violates" HOA regulations?
No? But the internet should be like air: Public.

Only minimal regulation against pollution. No private entities policing or restricting access to it.

You can do an inside-single-company intranet if you want private.

> P2P traffic really fucks with networks
No, it does not.

Upgrade your fucking hardware if that level of traffic is a problem, you got paying customers who pay for x bandwidth / x volume funding you.

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>>60281320
>And giving the ISPs the opportunity to charge people differently for different types of data/content will favour large corporations at the expense of the more niche things, like 4chan for instance.

Large corporations
> Few
> Charge a lot
> Profit

4chan
> Many users
> Charge little
> Still profit

Even they don't want to make less money by gutting the middle-to-low market

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>>60286758
>Competition is nearly impossible. Laying competing infrastructure is such an expensive endeavor that even somebody with pockets as deep as Google who benefits from an open internet gave up. Common Carrier, forces ISP's to share their lines with other companies, but since NN is going away who knows what's going to happen there.


So basically the big players now take on all the risks since no one competes with them

> Greater monopoly = greater risk = greater chance of greater loss if it occurs
> Corporations do stuff to keep their shareholders (aka ordinary people) happy
> Use big profits to stave off any risks that might occur
> Get booed at for doing this

Welp

>>60291132
>Only minimal regulation against pollution. No private entities policing or restricting access to it.

>laying fiber is free
>hardware is free
>IP transit is free
>electricity is free
>everyone should just have dedicated (CBR) 1/1 Gbps

grow the fuck up

>>60291289
Yea, water pipes and water treatment aren't free either? Neither are roads and streets and walkways, power lines, garbage recycling and processing sites, railways, and any other kind of infrastructure.

There are almost always rules about having to provide everyone with water and sewage processing for x price. You usually even forfeit your physical investments if you close down shop. Give up business and you STILL can't take the power lines, water pipes etc. along with you.

There is not going to be much freedom to negotiate higher prices and maybe no chance to deny service to unlucrative / costly consumers, either.

Take the deal SOCIETY GRANTS YOU or leave it to another company who wants to run infrastructure. That's how this usually works and should work.

You're *not* getting the power to use a monopoly on essential services against society. That's the deal if you want to do this. In any sane society at least.

You can also go "hurr durr its a corporate choice to deny your water, heat, internet and street access if you don't pay $2000 this month".

>>60281193
>if those monopolies were to begin to dissatisfy the consumers then there would be a market incentive for other companies to fill the gap created, and possibly replace them entirely due to the distrust that such negligence might create in people.

Oh yeah just like how that happened in the days of Standard Oil and Gas monopoly or the days of the AT&T monopoly, except it didn't.

>>60291278
>>Use big profits to stave off any risks that might occur
>>Get booed at for doing this
Shareholders aren't the only "ordinary people" that those corporations cater to, there's also the consumer. The methods used to stave off risks aren't always good with regards to the consumer.

>>60291357
PS: It's a even general rule that society should utterly limit any strongly coercive and monopolistic powers of companies.

Capitalistic rules work for the benefit of society only if companies can't really coerce or form monopolies or many other such practices.

The power to decide on how good / shit market access for companies is unacceptably coercive in the hands of a company.

Never mind giving them full control over information access for members of society, it's utterly trivial to fuck entirely with society if you allow that.

We can't have any of that any more than we can have Walmart paying street maintainers and owners to close off roads going to all stores other than Walmart (and/or deploy tire-popping features on them), and restricting access to all news and consumer reviews except "walmart wins again today!"

>>60291405
>in the days of Standard Oil and Gas monopoly or the days of the AT&T monopoly,

People forget that Standard Oil and AT&T during their heyday had to stave off risk because of how large they were.

Because of the nature of their business, they were basically spending more since they were one of the few players in the game.

The smallest misstep could spell disaster for those companies which would benefit neither them & the shareholders nor the consumer.

>>60277483
Funny you say that because your entire movement wants those jobs back and in full demand.

>clean coal !!! :^)

>>60291289
A lot of the internet backbone in the US was built by the gov with tax dollars, and private industry gets a tons of subsidies to continue to develop the infrastructure.

>>60291000
More like A is bad and and B is bad and you're insulting people for not supporting A who sucks B's dick harder than you'e sucking A's dick.

>>60276899
>government granted monopolies should be treated like the free market!
You should be deported to a gulag along with the rest of you rentier scum.

Who even gives a shit at this point. The Internet has become so normie infested and so dumb downed that it's not even worth saving anymore.

The Internet is the the TV.

>>60277754
Or government regulations force ISPs for competition. Free market may not be the best option.
Example: Poland
Here all wires are public. If someone lays telephone wires/fibre, then any ISP can sell you a phone number, television or internet through them. In fact telephone is considered basic right and is guided by some laws and they have to lay telephone wires for you for free even if you are living in the middle of the forest.
Therefore we now have 3 or 4 different ISPs and 3x lower prices than in Burgerland.

Someone ddos the fcc site that would be funny

>>60291974
Seeing how you have internet access I think you're still living in society, despite all people being equally stupid no matter where they are.

You're currently living on a street with only a fraction of them, and in clubs and communities you frequent voluntarily there might even be *no* normies that you don't like.

It would be a massively worse situation if you were forced into exactly onto the same four-five (expensive over time) streets, shops and clubs with everyone else at all times, wouldn't it?

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Trump will surely deliver.
He will also make animu real.

>>60279198
You're retarded. If net neutrality was never a thing, every home in the US would have had cheap 1 Tb fiber years ago.

>>60279990
The wealthy corporations are only lobbying the government in the first place because of government regulations. If there were no regulations, do you honestly believe Comcast would waste its time and money on any shitty, small country town's mayor, or a rural state's legislators?

The only thing liberalism has contributed to our society is massive amounts of corruption. There's a reason why areas like Chicago are referred to as Crook county.

>>60276770
Since americans love to lick the butts of corporations and the government, no matter what they decide, they will find a way to defend this bullshit.

> Hurr well at least it upsets the lefties, nice job, stay mad cucks

>>60276790
What level of mental illness do you have to achieve to become a shill for ISPs, like this one?

>>60292755
If net neutrality was never a thing, I actually can't tell you exactly how fast your internet connection would be.

But I can tell you that probably you could only use Amazon and a few others as shops, because everything else might take ten hours to load a page at 1 bit per minute.

Amazon's prices would be much higher, after all they would exploit their monopoly plus need to continue to pay the ISPs to keep everyone else shit.

>>60281104
>>60286678
The majority of this shit was for cell phones. Fuck off.

>>60286758
Competition is only nearly impossible because of government regulation. Look it up on fucking Google's fiber page for fuck's sake.

>>60292937
>Competition is only nearly impossible because of government regulation.
Maybe there are government regulations that get in the way of competition, such as something restricting access to possible wiring channels that might be laid down under or over streets.

Net neutrality is NOT in the way of competition.

It's in the way of creating monopolies, price fixing conglomerates, and making everyone on the internet pay the ISPs (and herding all content into one or another ISP's network if they even compete on the content at all).

>>60277253
Its the current year + 2 senpai

>>60293001
Are you seriously this fucking delusional and retarded?

Jesus fucking Christ you're so unaware of how things actually are that it's making me cringe.

You do realize that there are already many artificial monopolies in so many places across America as a result of governmen regulation, which includes net neutrality, right? You do realize that most of these companies also price gouge up the ass and rape customers' wallets while giving them shit-tier service, right? Or is that something you're going to ignore because it conveniently ignores the agenda the current year man indoctrinated you with?

Also, many people on the internet (see: Netflix and other companies) had to pay ISPs with net neutrality in place. Think about that.

>>60293043
>Are you seriously this fucking delusional and retarded?
No. Are you retarded?

What do you think the result would be if Walmart, Mc Donalds and Starbucks were handed your nation's street network with no restrictions on who to connect well?

Actually, if you're that stupid, at least give all of this to me. I should have overall more empathy for people than the sum total of brass and shareholders in these companies.

> You do realize that there are already many artificial monopolies in so many places across America as a result of governmen regulation, which includes net neutrality, right?
You realize that many US citizens very serious commit crimes, many of which are privately employed? <- equivalent argument, as you might see it's absolute bullshit.

You need to show where net neutrality resulted in price gouging and rape, and how you should regulate that abuse to not occur.

> Also, many people on the internet (see: Netflix and other companies) had to pay ISPs with net neutrality in place. Think about that.
If that was actually the case (sauce?) then I guess you need to better and faster enforce net neutrality.

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>>60293001
>price fixing conglomerates

> Can't price yourself lower than the rest: that's lowballing
> Can't price yourself higher than the rest: that's price gouging
> Can't price yourself similar to the rest: that's collusion

and people wonder why price fixing isn't a government run sham

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>>60293163
I don't know if I should be laughing at you or feeling bad for you. Your naivete gives me mixed feelings.

Maybe you'll wake up one day and realize that liberalism and the big government aren't as good as you (and other people) have made them out to be.

>>60282548
>not putting a fake address
Faggot

>>60293186
The size of a government is meaningless if it is dysfunctional.
Libertarians imply that any size government is inherently dysfunctional purely by existing.
Commies imply that only larger governments can be functional, simply due to their size.

Don't swallow either.

>>60290613
NIMBYism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

>less Americans on the internet

Why is this a bad thing again?

Never thought I'd see the day where kids on 4chan's g actually got this stupid.
Fucking trump put a spell on u tards

>>60291423
>The methods used to stave off risks aren't always good with regards to the consumer.

Don't stave off risks = Business risks increase = Failure/ problems become more likely

Pretty soon the business will not be as efficient or good as before, leading to poor service which will affect consumers negatively.

>>60293178
I'm sure in some areas companies had to agree to an upper limit on costs for x service to be allowed to touch anything related to infrastructure

But otherwise this generally isn't government mandated for shit.

>>60293186
> I want to avoid actually pointing out where price gauging and rape happened due to net neutrality

>Maybe you'll wake up one day and realize that liberalism and the big government aren't as good as you (and other people) have made them out to be.
That could be happening only to you who is apparently basing most of his views on beliefs?

I regard this as a game theory / optimization problem of sorts. How do you keep people, on average, from fucking this and that up.

And one thing to do is keep infrastructure and market access open to everyone with a playing field as level as you can make it. Who controls this? Obviously best an entity that will not favor one or another. Government. Ideally some bueraucrat on a desk that can't gain shit from amazon.com performing better than joeslittlepetshop.com, and that has all motivation to keep the playing field level due to colleagues and courts (who also don't have interest in one or the other) monitoring him for this.

>>60293355
Do you know what lobbying is?

I'm going to assume you're not even an American. If you are one, I'm going to assume you either dropped out of high school or failed your high school government course.

>>60293373
> Do you know what lobbying is?
Yes, what about it?

I imagine you intend this to support a view of yours, but at this point I don't know who you think lobbies who and what the result is.

For instance, you could be referring to the idea that Verizon (and friends?) are among the known lobby for net neutrality to be removed, or power to impose net neutrality removed from any government organ that might enforce it.

It would give them vastly more power and money.

>>60293448
You know that even Google wants net neutrality and other government regulations removed, right?

Net neutrality is the only reason Google Fiber was a huge failure.

Net neutrality has adverse effects for the country as a whole. It's the reason why there is so much corruption and why it's so fucking expensive to lay new cables for fiber in the first place.

As I stated earlier, if net neutrality had never been a thing, every home in America would have had cheap, symmetrical 1 Tb fiber years ago.

>>60281193
>the government is the only source of barriers to entry

t. economically illiterate ideologue

>>60293373
> I'm going to assume you're not even an American.
No. But what our governments and companies do has effects abroads. We're pretty well-connected.

In this instance, it'd have huge effects. So far, we didn't have to worry much about whether a server was located in the USA or not, at least not in most regards, This would change that.

> If you are one, I'm going to assume you either dropped out of high school or failed your high school government course.
No, I have a STEM degree just fine. Do we want to do anything as retarded as make this discussion about your and my (personal / country's) credentials?

>>60293546
You're not an American. You have no room to talk about what's good for my country when your entire continent as a whole can't do anything to mitigate the number of terrorist attacks it has or prevent its refugees from raping its women.

Or maybe you not only enjoy watching other people rape your women, but you're curious as to what it feels? If that's the case, then it makes sense why you support net neutrality.

>>60293482
> You know that even Google wants net neutrality and other government regulations removed, right?
"Even" Google?

There is no "even" in that. They're prime suspects of who'd have *amazing* opportunities to sell Amazon.com the right to be the fast store on Verizonnet and T-Onlinenet?.

> Net neutrality is the only reason Google Fiber was a huge failure.
Nope.

> Net neutrality has adverse effects for the country as a whole. It's the reason why there is so much corruption and why it's so fucking expensive to lay new cables for fiber in the first place.
Nope. This is even easier to show. Just look to the other civilized nations. Net neutrality almost everywhere. But it's not necessarily fucking expensive to lay new cables (not that digging up ground and laying cable channels is free, but it costs ~as much as you'd expect in these countries, and no net neutrality wouldn't make the digging etc much cheaper)

>>60293609
Feels good being Poland. 100Mb/s for 15$ without data limit, 0.02$/min and free internet on mobile phone, no refugees.

>>60293725
You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Fuck off and get lost. This is an American issue.

>it's not necessarily fucking expensive to lay new cables
It cost so much fucking money that even Google of all companies said fuck it because it was just that expensive. Do you know why it's expensive? Hint: it's because of the government's regulations!

>>60293609
> You're not an American.
Yes, but you can ultimately be glad we kinda care about each other on a bunch of levels.

It's also one thing that makes the internet -never mind the world- nicer to be on.

> You have no room to talk about what's good for my country when your entire continent as a whole can't do anything to mitigate the number of terrorist attacks it has or prevent its refugees from raping its women.
I think you correctly deduced that I'm from Europe, but your idea that Europe is even a fraction as bad as an US prison or ghetto is generally wrong.

>>60276899
>>>/pol/ you have to fuck off

>>60293801
> Fuck off and get lost. This is an American issue.
Seems like that's so far your best, most objective argument?

Anyhow, until now, the internet was on many levels an international cooperative project. This actually has a very strong chance to cut that apart.

> Do you know why it's expensive? Hint: it's because of the government's regulations!
How is that the conclusion when it doesn't check out EVERYWHERE ELSE where they also enforce net neutrality rules?

There is no logic in this. Maybe something needs changing about laws how internet infrastructure might be deployed, but it's NOT net neutrality. Net neutrality is a very small cost factor on the infrastructure side for a huge benefit.

>>60293989
There is no benefit to net neutrality.

>How is that the conclusion when it doesn't check out EVERYWHERE ELSE where they also enforce net neutrality rules?
What are you talking about? If you're talking about the way net neutrality works in Europe, then of course it's going to be different from the way it works in America, just as how we tip our waiters and you guys don't.

>an international cooperative project
Oh, so globalism? I don't like globalism. Guess getting rid of net neutrality sounds even better now!

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>>60294020
> There is no benefit to net neutrality.
No benefit? You seriously can't see what will go wrong if you allow companies to
> discriminate or charge differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication
If I was Verizon I'd literally go ask Bing what they're willing to pay to get most of Google's users, and eBay what they'd pay for me to sabotage Aliexpress.

And then I guess I can also go to my customers and charge $20 or $2000 monthly for access to the "class" of service that this chinese cartoon forum and waifu torrents belong to.

All without giving anyone else money, of course.

And if an ISP competes with me somehow (something which usually won't be the case in many locations anyhow), I guess I'll also pay popular services to NOT work well at all for them.

> If you're talking about the way net neutrality works in Europe, then of course it's going to be different from the way it works in America
Details are actually certainly different, but still net neutrality is still approximately as as defined above.

The point is that Net Neutrality isn't at fault for anything except it helps stop bullshit we don't want to happen. It needs to stay.

> Oh, so globalism? I don't like globalism.
I'm going out on a limb and claim you like the products of global cooperation, commercial or community...

But even assuming I'm wrong about that, you're not going to stop anything useful by not having access to Aliexpress except if you pay for the $25000 enterprise customer 1 person Asia internet access plan.

The only consequence is that eBay or Wallmart or whoever will get in between you and aliexpress with their special connection, and ask some extra percents for goods you need.

Sure as fuck they won't be produced in the USA - Walmart WILL have its special connection for its supplies. They can easily ask you to pay for it.