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Don't listen to the apologists 2017-05-08 06:58:32 Post No. 60272831
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All you need to know about systemd is that ironically systemd wouldn't be able to exist today if we had been using systemd's design philosophy on GNU/Linux from the beginning.
In other words, we'd be stuck with outdated technology and only able to replace it if we create another monolithic init system that interacted with everything in exactly the same way systemd does.
Systemd is basically exploiting the flexibility of its predecessors to kill the flexibility we have in the area of init systems. People might like it now, but we're walking into a walled garden.
After systemd becomes the standard and everything depends on it systemd will never receive any competition because it would be an extremely monumental task to try and create a systemd alternative.
All the newbies here support systemd because it "just werks". But using things just because it works is a very Windows mentality.
They're forgetting (because init systems isn't really on their radar in the first place) that the reasons we all use GNU/Linux in the first place is for flexibility, being able to do things _our_ way not the way someone getting paid to do their job decided we should do it, and design philosophies.
Systemd is the exact opposite of all of that.
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>Flexibility
NetBSD is the ultimate OS for flexibility, a shame nobody actually uses it.
Linux is instead based around pragmatism and right now Systemd solves far problems then it causes for distro maintainers and commercial operators.
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>>60272831
Don't worry, anon. In 40 years, when all major distros move on from X, we will begin working on phasing systemd out.
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>>60272879
what OS are you using?
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>>60272879
This.
Fuck off, OP. Xubuntu
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>>60272831
This. Dont listen to the RHELjew. systemd was first suggested and written by former NSA employees who are now executives at Redhat. They then used fedora to spread it like a virus across the *nix landscape.
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Why complain about a Monolithic init system on a Monolithic kernel?
OP just use a Microkernel and be done with it. That's where you're heading, senpai
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>syndromeD
>when autisms care that their laptop takes 40 seconds to boot
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>>60272831
>it "just werks"
..unless it doesn't. And then you have no logs to look at and barely if any error messages or hints.
It's one giant black box that tries to do everything which results in it doing a lot of things poorly.
The good old Do one thing and do it right worked just fine.
My personal biggest problem with systemd isn't really how it works, though. It's that it's become so extremely pervasive. If say RHEL/Fedora/CentOS went with systemd and Debian had said no then we'd have less of a mess. Today it's everywhere and all the desktop environments are integrating it's "features" which means there's no alternative and many basic things don't work without it.
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>>60273719
>laptop takes 40 seconds to boot
Laptop's have a battery so you can suspend to RAM without having to worry about a power outage (not that this is a huge problem for desktop's).
I just close the laptop's lid and it suspends to RAM and it wakes up again when I open it. I won't really care if it takes 10 seconds or 2 minutes from a cold boot.
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>>60273763
I agree, and my servers sure don't go to sleep. So why did everyone have such a stick up their ass about boot times that spawned syndromeD?
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After 20 years of the "flexibility" of init scripts, all we had was a hodge podge of poorly written shell scripts riddled with race conditions. Systemd fixes real bugs and makes development and packaging easier.
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>>60273733
>no logs
U wot? Its obsessive logging is one of the few things I actually like about it.
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>>60273829
BUT AT WHAT COST, MOTHERFUCKER.
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>>60273829
>binary logs
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>>60272831
Amen.
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>>60273862
I guess it watches you masturbate or something? I don't understand the crazy conspiracy theories about systemd. It's GPL software not some scary binary blob.
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>>60273913
Are you going to audit it all to check for shenanigans?
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there is nothing wrong with bsdinit
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