/pcbg/ - PC Building General

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RV3sf8

Rate my build. I'm also torn on the CPU Cooler since I'd like to get a good cooler that doesn't require having to wait for AM4 brackets to come in the mail and work out of box.

I am aware it comes with a cooler of it's own but I plan to OC it as high as possible while keeping cool temps

Looking for more input since the thread died early.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gvZFhq

Should do the 470 or find a comparable 570 or wait for the 560s to roll out later this month?

>>60268017
Le Grand Macho comes with AM4 bracket if it states it does.

>>60268058
Depends on game. For some games, you'll get CPU bottlenecked heavily and the RX560 is a better match. For others, the G4560 with the RX470 or RX570 is fine.

>>60268080
world of warcrack, Elite dangerous, fallout 3, nv and maybe 4 and minecraft every now and then.

>>60268080
Any other critique?

reminder that literally anyone can get into intel management shit on your computer because its website is "' no matter what

Is "Wait for Vega" still a thing?

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Managed to squeeze a 7th drive inside a node 302. I could get an 8th on the other side if I chose.

>>60268163
>reposting, i know the ram is not that good and i'm still not sure what cooler to get
>my friend has the same cpu with an intel stock cooler and he's hitting 60 degrees on games

any critque? i posted in the old thread before i realised it died

>>60268241
>has the same cpu with an intel stock cooler and he's hitting 60 degrees on games
the 7700k does not come with a stock cooler

>>60267984
Which CPU cooler is better? Cooler Master Hyper 212X or Cryorig H7?

>>60268272
The H7 is quite noticeably better, which is pretty understandable because it cost more

>>60268267
i know but he bought literally a $6 AUD cooler and its exactly like the stock cooler that intel has

>>60268179
Yes. Announcement in 9 days.

>>60268272
Why didn't you google for a review? It would be clear.

>>60268327
You guys fuckin say reviews are terrible, and listen to actual bench scores, now you say listen to reviews and ignore what real people say.

>>60268305
And he has the 7700k?
Without having touched the frequency?
The same CPU that has 90c temperature spikes even on high end aio / air coolers?
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gamers-report-core-i7-7700-temperature-spikes.html

Please don't do that. Just pay for a $25 cooler at least. You're ready to spend $1000+ for a pc build, $25 is nothing.

>>60268332
/pcbg/ is populated with different people of different opinions.
Cooler review are usually pretty straight forward: just sticks to the number (temperature).

>>60268058
This is pretty much the build I was looking at. Would it be adequate for WoW and Minecraft?

Also, what would be an appropriate monitor for a lower end build like that?

How many more years will a 1050Ti last for on 1080p on ultra/high settings?

How many more years will a 1080GTX last for on a 1440p on ultra/high settings?

>>60268358
yeah and and i'm thinking somewhere along the lines of https://www.pccasegear.com/products/30681/be-quiet!-pure-rock-cpu-cooler/

is this sufficient?

>>60268332
Not for cooler reviews. It's harder to be bias with them.

They run the same program to put CPU at 100% load. Hopefully they keep the microphone at the same space each time and apply the same thermal paste... but yeah.

>>60268440
If you can turn settings down, and 60fps is enough, then quite a while.
Look at how long the 7970 lasted for 1080p. That card came out 6 years ago.

>>60268433
>How many more years will a 1050Ti last for on 1080p on ultra/high settings?
...Negative three?
What a dumb question.

>>60268461
yes, it's a great cooler.

>>60268465
>Look at how long the 7970 lasted for 1080p. That card came out 6 years ago.
Hell yeah man, still rocking it on my r7 1700 build

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What should I upgrade first, everything?

>>60268209
Jesus fucking christ, are you actually using molex?

>>60268651
What do you intend to do?

>>60268651
what are you using to be able to capture your hardware like that?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J9ZGM8
Im going to play mostly old games modded and some new titles. Is this a good balanced build. What would you change and why. The b250 is because i have no way to update bios.

>>60268687
speccy

>>60268670
I ran out of SATA power connectors. PSU only came with 6 and I'm not spending $100+ dollars on an 850w PSU so I can get 8. Besides, it's only powering an SSD which uses like 2w under load. It'll be fine.

>>60268725
You can just buy a sata power extension for like $5 on amazon. Plug in one end of a sata power from the psu and you get 4 more. I would not recommend adding more though since that would seem like a fire hazard, but molex to sata is a bigger risk than an extension.

Generally speaking, what PSU do I need for a 1080?

>>60268678
Play dark souls 3 in 1080p
I know I should get a 1060gtx but I'm unsure if it's better to wait

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>>60268750
Like pic related? Wouldn't that split the voltage/amperage being delivered to the hard drive(s)? And what's so bad about molex? If molex is so terrible, why is it still the standard for water pumps, fan controllers, and even as auxiliary power for high end boards?

>>60268400
It should run most modern games at around 1080p.

I have no idea on minecraft though because that can be a bit of a resource hog sometimes.

It's kinda why I was asking if I should swap over to the rx570/wait for the rx560 to roll out.

How should I go about getting Windows my new PC? What do I miss out on if I pirate it? Where can I get a pirated windows from? How safe is Kinguin? What is the most reliable way to get Windows without having to fork over $100+? I really need help here.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pnsjQV

is this adequate for gaming on 1440p @ 70hz?

>>60268809
>How should I go about getting Windows my new PC?

Depends.

>What do I miss out on if I pirate it?

Depends on how well it's pirated.

> Where can I get a pirated windows from?

Dunno on that one.

>How safe is Kinguin?

Pretty safe iirc.

>What is the most reliable way to get Windows without having to fork over $100+?

Have an email that ends in .edu

> I really need help here.
Indeed.

>>60268834
overkill, drop that to a GTX 1070

>>60268774
Molex itself isn't bad. Molex to sata adapters just have a habit of catching a terrible case of being on fire. I was thinking more along the lines of this: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Power-Splitter-Adapter-PYO4SATA/dp/B0086OGN9E/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1494202159&sr=8-9&keywords=sata+extension which is a splitter too, but power consumption should be fine as long as you have a decent PSU with good wattage.

>>60268841
Despite a lot of non-answers and lack of info in your post, the fact that you said that Kinguin is pretty safe is helpful at least. Thanks.

>>60268209
wow it's cramped in there. What kind of temps do you get idle and under load?

what do you typically use that system for?

I'll answer any questions you guys have and also point anyone in the direction of building an amazing PC. I'm maybe one of the best in the world at it.

Let me know if you want help :)

>>60268892
What's a generally fine voltage for a 6700K on an overclock of 4.8GHZ?

>>60268892
alright i'll bite. im planning on upgrading to a ryzen 1800x.

whats the best micro atx motherboard for this CPU? also do you have any recommendations on a CPU cooler. Was thinking of getting the cryorig H7 since it's not quite as tall as other cpu air coolers and i have limited space.

any RAM suggestions would be nice too but i think i know which RAM i want to get.

>>60268639
Yep. Still using 7970 on my 1600X build. Such a good card.
Waiting for a GPU that can do 4K at 60fps minimum and HDR10 monitor before I upgrade. The 1080Ti falls short.

>>60268688
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J9ZGM8
You need dual channel 2400 RAM.

>>60268688
Any advice would be great

>>60268809
There's a free edition of windows 10 available from microsoft, it's unactivated so you have a watermark on the bottom right corner after installing it, but I think you can use it for as long as you want without activating it.

I've never used kinguin before so I don't know what their customer support is like.

If you're a college student, and an engineer or in computer science, you can see if your uni has an agreement with MS and get yourself free software like Windows 10/8.1/7 pro editions. Check out onthehub to see if you get a school discount.

>>60268934
Thanks ill change that right now to 2400

>>60268892
Is the 1700 really better than the 7700k? Will I feel buyers remorse by end of year when we find out that Intel is beating AMD?

>>60268688
Get a 75hz freesync, too. They're cheap.That G4560 is going to dip sometimes for some games. Having 40 minimum hz will help make it less of a problem.

>>60268954
It's better for streaming, multitasking, and when you're GPU bottlenecked like in 1440p and 4k since its minimums are better.

>>60268952
>I think you can use it for as long as you want without activating it
It doesn't allow you to personalize your wallpaper and stuff though, which I would prefer to do.
>Check out onthehub to see if you get a school discount.
Thanks for the suggestion but apparently my school doesn't give a Win10 discount.

>>60268954
>Intel is beating AMD?
you can't beat a cpu by having 2x less cores, no matter how high they are clocked

Recommend me a 1070 manufacturer.

>tfw current build has 3 sticks of ram instead of 2/4
please end my life

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Can a faulty PSU cause GPU driver crashes?

>>60269030
which psu
which gpu
which mobo

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>>60269000
>It doesn't allow you to personalize your wallpaper and stuff though, which I would prefer to do.
I also enjoy looking at my desktop environment.

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Is it time to upgrade?

>>60269030
a faulty gpu driver can cause psu crashes.

>>60269036
EVGA G2
RX480
ASUS Z170A

>>60269022
Asus makes good quality products but they have terrible customer service if you ever do get a faulty one.

EVGA has beautiful customer support since they used to have a lot of failures in the past, but they worked to fix their errors.

Zotac is breddy gud.

MSI is gimmicky but not as gaudy as Asus ROG or whatever using LEDs.

I would try out zotac.

>>60269048
I've DDU'd my drivers more times than I can count my man. Did a full system format since I just built this PC last month and had the same issues afterward.

>1060 - Gets outperformed by the RX 580, consider only if AMD is not an option (CUDA, Linux)
Why does Linux not work with AMD? From what I've seen, the RX 580 works on Linux.

>>60269047
You definitely need more LEDs.

>>60269060
have you tried using a different gpu?

>>60268809
just get microsoft toolkit and stop being a pussy.

>>60269047
>120GB SSD
>300GB HDD
hell yeah man
the 3770k is still cabable though, unless you get a high end gpu which would be bottlenecked by that 37707k

>>60269056
Considering a EVGA FTW2 since the revised ICX version is only $410 w/rebate on Newegg right now and people generally hold EVGA's support in good regard. It's not that much more than most 1070's currently outside of the Gigabyte and mini 1070's.

>>60269077
nvidia generally tends to work better from what i heard
you can always remove that in the next thread if you disagree with the op

>>60269080
It's my first PC so I don't have access to another GPU. But I'm honestly considering doing that just to solve the problem. I've pretty much reinstalled Windows, my drivers, verified integrity of games, fiddled with power settings, underclocked, overvolted my card, etc. I even get error 4101 display driver crashes on the desktop, so it's not just an issue with games. Just trying everything before I submit a RMA ticket and demand a refund for the card or something.

>>60269104
You can try buying off of amazon, particularly for "used - like new" from the warehouse which means unused and not defective but maybe has a scratch or something.

>>60269126
you could just buy some cheap used card with similar power consumption off ebay. random crashes on desktop under low load do make me suspect the gpu rather than the psu

>>60269129
>>60269174
Thanks for the advice, it's odd because the GPU worked fine for 4 or 5 weeks and then suddenly started having issues in games, then on desktop as well. I went crazy trying to diagnose it, but I was wondering if the PSU might be to blame but it doesn't make sense with the desktop issues. I never had any power loss or hard system crashes either, just display driver issues and a VIDEO TDR BSOD.

>>60269045
I don't see the point of this post.
>>60269099
Never heard of microsoft toolkit, what does it do?

>>60268926
As always, the most important factor when answering any question is "what do you plan to do with your PC?"

That will help me a lot with that. But I've seen good things about the ASRock micro-atx boards. (2 m2 slots for one)

CPU cooler depends on case.

RAM doesn't really matter a lot unless you're gonna overclock. It's not really a bottleneck these days, and most all of them have the same CAS latencies.

>>60268954
What do you want to do with your build?

>>60268913
1.4/1.45 but you're gonna need a beastly cooler.

>>60269012
>you can't beat a cpu by having 2x less cores, no matter how high they are clocked
That's not true. The 7700k was better than the FX 8 cores in 95% of cases.
But that's because its cores were almost half as powerful.

>>60269104
>$410 for a 1070
the fuck are you thinking?

>>60269077
Old memes. My 7970 is fine on Linux as well. AMD Linux drivers have been fine for more than a year for the most part.

Will the Freesync monitors work with a Nvidia GPU?

Will the anti-screen tearing shenanigans work with it I mean?

>>60269328
Comparing a 4 months old cpu vs 6+ years old one in the first place is pretty silly

>>60269415
no

>>60267984
can someone tell me if the MSI 1080 seahawk any good?

>>60269328
>a 6 year old CPU is better than the 7700k in 5% of cases
pack it up bois
intel is fucking dead

>>60269351
>the fuck are you thinking?
What do you recommend instead?

>>60269499
Get one that's $325 or less.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6PGVXH
Thoughts on this build? I plan to use it as a host for Steam In-Home Streaming. I'm looking for 1080p max settings at 60 fps. Will it get the job done?

>>60269536
spend a few extra bucks on an m.2

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>>60269432
>tfw /v/irgin idiots trying to trick me

>>60269515
Might be tough considering the cheapest I've seen a non-refurb one going for is $340

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/nYWrCy

What do you guys think of this build? Is it worth it getting a cooler or is the stock one good enough?

>>60269642
The stock one is good.
If you intend to OC, get a cooler.

>>60269564
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BFKGM8
Like this?

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How dank are my memes?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HmdvFd

>of note
The psu isn't the EU one, just too lazy to change it. The drive will probably be a 250gb ssd with a blue wd tb.

>>60269670
Grab the sapphire with the led fans bruh

>>60269642
Also will the amd cpu + nvidia gpu cause problems? Should I replace the 1060 with something else?

>>60269701
I forgot to say I'm on a $1000 budget. Is there any difference aside from the LED fans? I'm not too big on those.

>>60269833
if that's the case don't get the m.2
just wait til the price goes down and upgrade in like 2 years

>>60269687
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HmdvFd
>$1453.11
Jesus you can make a RX580 ,1600, 500gb SSD build WITH a 1440p IPS 144hz monitor for ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS LESS.
I don't get how it's not more clear how dumb those delidlake builds are when you see that.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/znwJHN
>$1386.32

That's all I have to say about that.

>>60269850
>he doesn't know what M.2 is
don't give advice ever again

Would a vertical U2515H look strange next to a U2715H? I've heard there's scaling that makes windows appear smaller on the U2515H. I'd like to get a second monitor, but I don't know about dishing out another $500.

>Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor

>>60269850
I could get one and be close enough to the budget. Should I get the m.2 or the ebin LED fans?

>>60269871
What does this post mean

>>60269928
>expecting anyone to actually read the OP

kek

reminder that GTX 670 on ebay is the best value 80-120€ GPU you can get

>>60269965
>GTX 670
>for 120 yurobux
you could get a gtx 970 for that money already
hell, rack it up like 30 bux more and you could get a GTX 980/300W 300

>>60269320
thanks,

I was actually considering the ASrock mATX boards. specifically the AB350M Pro4.

I plan on using the pc as my daily driver but i also play video games on the weekend and i want some decent framerates so i am upgrading. Deciding to go with ryzen over the intel since it will have better temps, multitasking, and power usage. i also dont really ever plan on using two gfx cards at once. so im sticking with my mATX case. mATX is about as big of a case as i really want to go.

this is the RAM i am planning on getting by the way: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=twister_B01M33CGCY?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

my main concern with motherboards and ryzen is that i know compatibility with certain speeds is kinda iffy right now.

Is SLIing 1080 TIs recommended to get 144hz at 1440p? I was watching a few youtube benchmarks and it looks like most games are getting 100-120fps maxed out with the 1080 ti

>>60269104
Where the fuck are you seeing a FTW2 for $410 with rebate?

The only one I see is $530 with a 20 dollar rebate.

>>60270038
Sorry, I skipped the fact I was referring to the 1070. Still, it's a decent price considering the EVGA FTW/ACX versions are only 20-30 less and still have that slight probability to burst a capacitor.

I heard you shouldn't use your motherboard's anti-static bag to set the board on while building. Am I being meme'd or is that true?

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What the hell do you guys do with spare parts? I have pic related. 4 radiators of varying sizes, fpi, and thickness, 3 water pumps and 3 reservoirs. A dozen or so Barbs, worm clamps, and misc fittings. A bunch of gigabit pcie cards, SATA pcie and raid cards, USB 3.1/C expansion cards, fan filters, and like 4 different fan controllers. One of which is rated at 150w per channel offering 4 channels. Lastly I have around 60 feet of various colored tubing from primochill and 3 silver kill coils.

If it's not clear, I used to liquid cool. Had a very large loop. Said loop used to be around 14 fans.

>>60270034
SLI is fucking useless, unless you love microstutter and inconsistent, shitty frametimings that you'd normally only get with 8 year old pentiums.
But, yeah, it'll get you 144+ avg FPS at 1440p with maxed out games. The smarter decision would be to get 1 card and tweak settings for the games you're playing (eg turning down/off anti aliasing, tweaking a few things in the driver settings). There will be no visible difference, and you'll be getting much better performance (in the scale of 110-150%).

>>60270204
make a case out of fans

>>60270229
Sounds good. I was just worried because I was watching benchmark vids on youtube

>>60270204
For fucks sake I just found my liquid cooled SLI GTX 670s that I swear I sold off, and a 5 port gigabit switch I thought I had thrown away because I couldn't find it's power cable. I also found the power cable.

>>60270242
Yeah, benchmarks are great for giving relative performance between components, because any reputable reviewer will run the games with the same settings and the same scenes, giving good relative performance. But, oftentimes, those settings are really shitty defaults that have huge performance impacts for no visual gain.

Think STALKER: Call of Pripyat, where god rays at high would literally cut the FPS in half for literally 0 difference. Not just human perceptible difference, 2 screenshots of high and low would show no diff using image delta programs.

Oftentimes, benchmarks on youtube have those kind of settings maxed out. Just tweak the games you like and you'll find performance is actually much better than benchmarks say.

is 1080 a good decision or should i get a 1070 instead

sorta like how ryzen is the overall better bang for your buck, is the 1070 the best bang or should i spend 150 more and get a 1080

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Priorities with this build:
light gaming
heavy and reliable data recording (hence ECC RAM/helium HGST drives)
custom case for low noise and aesthetics
(mostly) passive cooling

I'll hopefully be using a passively cooled RX 560, and a heatsink stripped of its fan (for better airflow from the 200mm) for the CPU. I posted this build a few threads ago, but have refined it since then based on comments here and also additional research. I'm unfortunately poor as shit, so I'm going to be saving up for this build for the rest of 2017, maybe past Christmas this year.

If APUs that match or beat the RX 460 come out with ECC support, I'll spring for that alone instead of Ryzen + RX 560. I'll be dual-booting Linux and Windows using the m.2 drive, and the 2 He-8 drives will be running in mirrored ZFS for maximum data reliability.

Pic related, it's the next revision of the case design.

>>60270469
retarded me got so caught up in editing the details of the build he forgot the PCPartPicker link:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rnXFhq

>>60270487
get the ryzen 1700 and OC the hell out of it

>>60270469
wait hold on what kind of fucking data recording

>>60270498
Why? The 1700 is just a lower binned, underclocked 1800x if I'm not mistaken. If I buy the higher bin and undervolt it, I'll get better stability and performance at the same clock speeds, because I'll be able to undervolt lower, right?

can someone please give me a guide to watercooling and the best parts right now. like a link to a webzine or store.

>>60270461
>sorta like how ryzen is the overall better bang for your buck
massively outperforming at the same price is not "bang for your buck"

Yes, the 1070 would most likely be a better choice for you, seeing you haven't mentionned any resolution or refresh rate. It's already way overkill for 1080p60hz.

>>60270610
>The 1700 is just a lower binned, underclocked 1800x if I'm not mistaken.
He mentioned he was poor as shit.

Quick question, was the R7 260x good when it came out?

>>60270627
Yes, I am, but I'm patient as fuck. I'll save every paycheck to get the highest quality product. If I were worried about price, I'd go for Seagate drives and a standard case. The 1800x is a better fit for my needs, so until something better suited comes out I'm aiming for that.

In fact the cheapest option would probably be buying a surplus'd rack mounted computer off eBay and slapping a GPU into it, but that doesn't fit my needs (weight, power consumption).

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jrnwnn
Trying to build something for general gaming for less than $1k preferably closer to 850-900.
Not sure if I should get the 1060 over the 1070 for price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fMNppb
My new computer build, main gaming and anything else computer.
I already have a GTX 1060 for it and will get a 500GB or 1TB SSD not sure which one yet, as well as 2TB WD Black.

>>60270682
>>60270697
i5s are shit, especially the 7600k which is a very poor choice. For the same price of a 7600k you can have a 6 cores 12 threads Ryzen CPU, which has higher framerate, much lower CPU usage (the i5 reaches 90+% in any AAA game form the past 3 years), and doesn't need a cooler.

I'll let you watch for yourself comparisons videos.
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo

It also heat less and is more power efficient, and the motherboard for it are generally cheaper.

>>60270682
Go AMD R5 1600 + RX 570 for a sub $1000 computer. Better overall performance, cheaper, and cooler.
pcpartpicker.com/list/Yj9Fhq

>>60267984
opinions on the corsair air 240?

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>finally graduate
>start new job tomorrow (nothing special, just until I can find a job in my field)
>$15/hour, full time
>but have debts to pay off (~$16,000 as of posting)
>haven't upgraded pc in years, pic related

ok so, I'll finally have money to replace parts of my pc, or even to start from scratch. but is it worth doing it now, or should I wait for next GPU series? as far as CPUs go, I'm pretty much deadset on a 1600x

ideally I'd get 1600x+gtx1080, but I rather get an AMD gpu, just for the freesync

>>60270717
see
>>60270731
>>60270734
Ryzen R5 is a much better option than the i5. There's a MiniITX board out for the R5, but it's currently sold out; wait a few days and it'll be back:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138452

>>60270761
Just upgrade your GPU and pay your loans, faggot.

>>60270761
For someone on that tight of a budget buying a 1600x would be idiocy, just get the 1600.

>>60270771
well I'll be living at home, so my goal is 75% towards loans and rest for spending money. I honestly feel like my cpu is the biggest issue right now, but yeah you're probably right. I'll look into a 1070, maybe used even

>>60270761
>1600x
Probably a bad idea; the 1600 overclocks easier and comes with a *great* stock cooler, making it a better option for the price. As for AMD GPUs, if you're going to be saving up for it, wait for Vega. If you want one now, the RX 580 is a great option. Go for an R9 Fury/Fury X if you want the absolute best performance bar none in an AMD GPU; it trades blows with the 1070 pretty easily in most games. It's outdated by now, though, with less support from AMD as far as driver updates goes, so I'd recommend the RX 580 over it.

>>60270793
Your CPU will be more than enough in non-CPU intensive games, and you're going to need to buy a new MOBO and RAM to upgrade your CPU. Stick with buying a new GPU if you're only going to be playing at 1080p, you might need a new CPU for 1440p though.

>>60270792
>>60270796
I've read that the 1600 doesn't guarantee overclocking vs the 1600x, so I thought it'd be worth the extra? and a rx580 probably isn't much better than my r9 290

either way, I'm aiming for end of summer, so who knows what'll happen by then

Is the rx 580 really better than the 1060 or is that just a meme?

>>60270829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4BuyLW66Ao
(almost) 4GHz stable OC. The 1600 is a damn fine chip.
As for the 580 vs the 290, the 580 actually generally gets much better performance than the 380, which is about equivalent to a 290:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-580-review,5020-3.html

>>60269047
I would say the only thing you need to change is your storage. 2TB is 70$ if you look hard enough

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>>60270845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6st6QZTDxE
Not a meme.

>>60270863
>380, which is about equivalent to a 290:
I don't think that's right.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_480_gaming_x_review,17.html

here the rx480 and r9 290 are about the same. either way, I would prefer 1.5 or twice the performance at the minimum

>>60270818
I'm already at 1440p, but I understand. a gpu is a lot easier to upgrade than a cpu, and I'll definitely look into that first

>>60270915
Then consider waiting for Vega if you're at 1440p and want Ryzen.

I don't know if or when they'll fix the Ryzen+Nvidia issues.

>>60270915
Ah, that's fair. I misread the 290 and 380 comparison, my bad. In that case, 1070 is probably your best bet.

I'm kinda miffed that Ryzen runs cool enough that it doesn't warrant actual liquid cooling. Maybe if Vega runs a bit hot when overclocked, it'll push me to set up my full loop again.

>A moderately overclocked 16 thread CPU and 1440p capable GPU can now be adequately cooled on a single 360mm radiator

What a time to be alive.

>>60269854
Too bad amd is shit.

>>60267984
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MLMmjc
What do you guys think? I might get a used i7-4790K instead. All that's missing from the list is an optical drive I might salvage out of one of my PCs. And before you say anything about Kaby Lake, Ryzen and Skylake, I'm only going to be installing Windows 7. That and I couldn't find many mobos that match the color scheme really well.

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>>60270845
Which games do you play?
>>60270887
>posting the results of a game no one plays

>>60271030
u should amd at this price point.

>>60269854
You don't have to fuck with a skylake like you do Kaby. Besides I got mine for a handjob.

>>60271049
My biggest worry about Ryzen and Windows 7 is compatibility issues and, like I said, I couldn't find any AM4/LGA1151 boards that match the color scheme really well.

>>60271058
Where are you getting deals like that?

>>60271069
why not windows 10?

just bought the following:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LG9yBP

i play mostly FPS games and will be doing a lot of VMs to test stuff. should be decent eh?

>>60271076
Way too much shit to disable. 7 has a lot less shit to disable. Also, DX12 is pretty much useless (for Nvidia cards at least).

>>60268017
Posted in the last thread but looking how to tackle this problem.

Bought a new PC, first build. Followed instructions from New egg tutorial and my user manual to the letter

Ryzen cpu, RX580, 8 gig ram. But the machine is really under performing and I need to find out why. It's not even able to get 50 FPS in Doom. CPU is sitting at 30% load while idle. Updated all the drivers

I don't really have a way to check parts since this build isn't compatible with my previous machine. How do I investigate the problem and get it fixed/part replaced?

>>60271109
And I forgot to mention that Microsoft might integrate their spyware into necessary processes and services into Windows 10 and trying to disable them might crash the OS.

I5 2400 vs fx 6300 for goyiming? (Secondhand)

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Are the 21:9 monitors worth it?

>>60271141
Definitely the i5.

>>60271186
16:9 is good enough.

>>60267984
explain to me why you people hate the r5 1400. I'm considering upgrading from my 8350 and even that would be an upgrade, i can afford it sooner and upgrade to a 1700 later on, and then pass that cpu down to my brother or friend or something then too
what makes the 1500x so much better? what gives?

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>>60271069
Works fine for me, anon. Some mobos have workarounds for the USB issue, or you can just integrate the drivers into the iso manually.

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Is my build good /g/?

>>60271308
Were there any BSODs during the installation (like for example when you try to setup a user account)?

>>60271024
what?

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>>60271124
Can any one see any problems with this? Need to make sure I Didn't fuck up the install before I start checking if parts are fucked

>>60268753
Yeah your gonna need an all new comp.

>>60271069
You're spending an enormous amount on money on old outated and far outperformed hardware, which isn't worth it if it's the OS

>>60271330
There is no instabilities with Ryzen in W7. CPUs aren't like GPUs, they have quite strict norms that makes pretty much any of them work the same way for the OS
It's not like when you create an account it's going to use a specific part of the CPU, nah. Just basic instructions supported by any CPU.
The problem that you would face when installing W7 Ryzen would be:
-No drivers for mouse & kb, unless you manage to include them on the USB installer you have
-Windows blocked updates for Kaby Lake & Ryzen CPUs, so you'd have to download the workaround that bypasses that online, it's pretty simple
-No Master Ryzen to oc with the OS running ;_;

>>60271341
The GPU and "prime B250-plus" as well as the left part of the mother board have a pulsing red light. I assumed it was trying to be edgy ut could that be a problem alert? It's off for 1 second then on for 4

>>60271362
>No Master Ryzen to oc with the OS running
better off OCing in the BIOS

I got 2 free case fans, a 120mm and a 140mm. Should I mount them on the front, or put the 140mm on the top of the case?

>>60271341
why not put the GPU in the first slot?

How do you people live with such small amounts of hard drive space? I mean you probably don't need the excessive amount I bought but seriously who can live on just 275g or even less than 2tb in some form in this day and age?

>>60271373
Put the GPU in the first PCI-E slot.

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Hey friends,

I'm in need of a new monitor and 2.1 sound system.

Looking for something around 30" can be 16x10 or 16x9. Going to be used exclusively for a cinema/htpc type role.

Looking to spend about $300 on the monitor, and about 200 on the sound.

Does AMD still sell their own branded RAM?

>>60271362
The reason I asked about BSODs is I've seen someone getting Kaby Lake to work under Windows 7 and mentioned that it BSODed during user account creation. Also, should I compile a huge list of updates to avoid or should I avoid updates altogether?

>>60271400
some people don't hoard data, not even their favorite shit
they're the kind who whine when sites like nyaa go down

>>60271392
>>60271405

It made more sense to me to put it where there was the most space. I thought all the slots were the same

>>60271412
BSOD mean jack shit unless you have the error code that lets you search what went wrong, for all you know it could be his RAM, his SSD/HDD, or his PSU

>>60271341
>asus ryzen board
wasn't that the brand that fucked up the hardest?

>>60271400

I don't save porn, or movies, or anything besides a few pictures and text documents. I save all of my games to my 275gb M.2, and I just uninstall when I need to make room.

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>>60271324
>122 deg C

>>60271421
not really, Asus tends to gimp the last PCI-E slot

>>60271441
>I don't save porn
This is the real redpill right here, knowing that all pornography and masturbation is a fleeting pleasure and will be gone like digital tears in the rain someday

But 1080p anime BD rips are another story and that's why I need to get a 4TB HDD

>>60271421
not always. the first slot is the fastest. that red light there might turn off too after it's in. it might be on because there isn't a gpu in that slot.

>>60271472
>the first slot is the fastest
what? even if it was 3.0 vs 2.0, which it isnt, theres 0 performance difference. the board will automatically assign the fastest speed possible to the used slot

>>60267984
Thank You baby! I love you! XOXOXOXO KISSY KISSY WOO WOO

>>60271500
it's an anus board, superstition werks better than logic

>>60271446
Yeah.. I don't know what's wrong

>>60271542
Have you checked to see if you motherboard is currently on fire?

>>60271440
Maybe?

>>60271472
Moved it but still got the red light and the bottom slot still has the same red light as before. Are the red lights the sign of a problem? I thought they were just edgy kid fodder of red leds on a Mother board. I can't find any videos of this board installed to check though

>>60271549
It isn't, but when I removed the back panel close to the motherboard, there are what appears to be scorched marks on the case. At least, I think there is. The interior case is silver and there are black spots that look like burns. Is that bad? the system runs fine

>>60271472
checked a youtube video and yea the pulsing red lights are part of the board design they're not error lights

>>60271554
check your manual to see if it's actually an error light but it just looks like accent lighting to me

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XjmWd6

Finally ordered the last of my parts. Got the CPU and mobo as a gift from my brother, and now it's time to put it all together.

>>60271554
Yes. The LED on Asus boards replaced beep codes. When an Asus mobo with LED built in goes through POST it goes through the sequence of CPU -> RAM -> GPU checks. If the LED ever stays lit on one of these, there is a problem on that particular part.
You should know this from your mobo manual.

>>60271570
>>60271571
It's accent lighting

>>60271576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOjJmXhf1DY&t=30s

>>60271523
Are their graphics cards any better in terms of reliability?

>>60271650
if you can stomach the 'republic of gaymers' garbage i've heard good things about their cooling

>>60271650
good products but bad service

>>60271657
The gaymurr shit I don't care much about, but I've heard that the fans are near silent. And besides, I'm not only gonna do gaming, but HTML editing and video editing as well.

>>60271733
This is the quietest build I've ever had, you can't tell it's on and that's pretty creepy.

Still only getting 55-65 FPS on medium in Doom so something is seriously fucked here.

Is it time to call the local repair shop and ask them to take a look?

What are the best keyboard/mice companies?

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I require a CPU akin to the latest line of consumer grade CPU (AKA i5, i7, etc) with one very specific caveat:

It requires a very large l3 cache. I'm talking as much as possible. 50 MB? Great, but 128 would be 10x better.

There is a very specific program that has over 100 MB worth in cache misses for ALL it's calculations and thus my only recourse for absolute best performance is to buy the Intel Xeon with 60 MB CPU for god damn 7+ grand or just settle for a motherboard with as fast as possible FSB Bus speed + latest DDR4 RAM (4233)

Inb4 lol that ram is overkill and won't help: CAS latency on DDR4 is fastest available on the market. Even if if it says the CAS is 19 across the board it's rounded number, each iteration increases it by nanoseconds and thus it makes the difference in this situaton.


The problem is there are no commercial desktop CPU with massive or at the very fuckin least over 15 MB CPU cache.

>>60271768
From my understanding, it's Corsair, Logitech and SteelSeries.

>>60271733
It depends on what you're going to be doing, because most newer cards shut their fans off when they are under a certain temp. Mine even shuts off indoors in fallout 4

>>60271788
dunno if this helps, but http://www.anandtech.com/show/10281/intel-adds-crystal-well-skylake-processors-65w-edram

Maybe you're a software engineer and can write the necessary code to use that graphics RAM.

>>60270204
seconding this suggestion. >>60270233
Dooooo eeeeet!

>>60270300
Glad you didn't throw it out then?

>>60271831
>Maybe you're a software engineer and can write the necessary code to use that graphics RAM.

I'm not, but I can probably have someone do it for me.

If so this would actually be the perfect choice, assuming there is no other. Thanks for the suggestion.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zPt4kT

Please rate and recommend a monitor. Bloody hell pcs are expensive

>>60271993
oh and also im worried about the bios warning that i need to update the mobo with a different cpu. theres no way to do it without or is it a false warning?

>>60271980
be careful, because after looking into it more, it appears that the latency of that edram isn't too great

>>60272011
>>60271993

Yeah you would need to have another cpu to update the bios on the mobo. Also get two sticks of RAM for dual channel.

>>60271788
whats the programme?

>>60272089
1 x 8gb > 2 x 4gb

upgradable

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>>60271993
>Bloody hell pcs are expensive
They aren't, it's just that your build was poorly balanced. Your SSD was worth 3 times your CPU, your GPU was severly overpriced.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cpdgxY
This build doesn't have an SSD, but it performs insanely better at anything than the one you sent.
Pic related shows the performance of an RX 480 (8GB) at 1440p and a GTX 1050ti. Notice the 70% higher FPS (85% at 1080p)

As for how better the CPU is, i'll let you watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdmeGOsnss
Things to note from it: much higher framerate, g4560 at 100% usage constantly, r5 1400 isn't, and the g4560's stutters (very inconsistent frame timings)

>>60272090
Really any program that does an insane number of number crunching ala bitcoin mining or simulations.

The program in particular I am interested in is Dwarf Fortress.

The reason I avoided specifying it was to avoid the usual blundering mess that is people's opinons on how to increase the performance.

DF does a huge amount of complex AND repetitive operations. However you cannot run it on by GPU.

>>60271030
>>60271069
>>60271109
>>60271127
>>60271308
>>60271362
>>60271412
I'm back and I have a Ryzen build list this time. Did I do good?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCpN7h

>>60272287
Why the Western Digital Black and why the x370?

>>60272302
>Why WD Black
SSD is not an option for me where I live. And I'm afraid of UPSes.
>Why X370
Limited options.

>>60272287
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820313777

get this ram. runs at 2933 on my ax370 gaming 5

>>60272315
>SSD is not an option for me where I live. And I'm afraid of UPSes.
So you're not actually getting the HDD because of it's feature? Western Black are generally aimed at entreprises, the price per GB is higher than regular HDD
You'd get more speed by going with two $50 Western Caviar Blue and it would cost cheaper

>Limited options.
What do you mean?

>>60272330
Does the Ryzen 5 1600 support higher RAM frequencies out of the box? I'm not planning on overclocking unless it's absolutely necessary.

>>60272330
yep. just turn on the xmp settings in bios, and you should be good.

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>>60272334
There are barely ATX motherboards that suit my needs in terms of appearance.

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thanks for helping pcbg

i didnt get a ssd, but I think it isnt that necessary

2nd computer i built

>>60272382
meant for >>60272364

>>60272315
>>60272334
Yeah, Blue drives are 7200RPM and 64MB cache now so the difference is pretty negligible aside from warranty, and if that's really important to you I'd get a WD Red anyway.

>>60272364
It's mobos that offer different frequency support (on different kits), not the CPU
update this month for all am4 mobo to improve ram oc

>>60272137
gpu isnt overpriced, its Australian prices.

>>60272478
Found an RX 480 4GB for only $30 more though
Even for Australian prices it seems overpriced to me

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What are the cases with the smallest footprint and best cooling for ATX and mATX? I only plan on using a single 2.5in drive SSD in the case so a place to store that would be nice too (at least a bracket or something).

I have an Intel 3570K, if I upgrade my GPU to the Vega when it comes out, or even a 1070, will this last me at 1080px60fps for a good while still? I was going to get a whole new build but now I'm wondering if it's even worth it.

>>60272721
getting a gtx 1070 for 1080p60hz is pretty stupid
but yes, it will last for sure.

>>60272721
I'd say wait at least a month or two after the card releases in case there are issues. Also, never buy stuff at launch.

>>60272537
ok but even updating to a 480 its still $1k+

>>60272739

Thanks

I generally like to buy components that will last me 5 years minimum, so I thought going overkill with a 1070 will mean I can keep using the same build for max settings for a good few years to come. Also, I plan to play at 144Hz for the first time.

Also, will the i5 3570K bottleneck the GPU? Or will I get some pretty decent framerates?

>>60272743

Thanks, I always avoid buying at launch, I'm going to wait and see what prices/specs are like, we should find out in just over a week

>>60272287
I did a couple of improvements on the list (different board (since it seems like the best option and it's RGB so I could change the LEDs to blue) and slightly faster RAM), what do you guys think?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GBZjQV

>>60272770
Your welcome. I learned that strategy from the Nintendo Switch.

>>60272747
not in the build i posted anon
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cpdgxY

>>60272756
>i5 3570K bottleneck the GPU?
Not at 60hz, but don't count on reaching 144hz with that CPU
Unless we're talking light games. But AAA games certainly won't reach 144 fps

>>60272777
Do you just intend to spend $50 more on a mobo just for the leds?

>>60272788
I can play MK8 online while taking a shit
worth it just for that

>>60272802
No, because of reliability. I've read the reviews on the previous board as well as a couple others. This seemed like the best option.

>>60272674
depends on your taste but i like:
silverstone tj08-e
fractal design define c
nzxt s340 elite

Guy having problems with his new Ryzen windows 10 machine again.

I just tried Doom again and adjusted the graphics settings from medium to ultra. While the game looked different the FPS stayed 45-55 no matter what my settings were. Would that imply anything?

>>60272897
I would prefer to put my new build on my desk rather than under it like my current build is now. My dream case would be something that holds a mobo + cooler + gpu + psu and room enough for a single 2.5in drive, takes up as little space as possible, and won't catch on fire.

>>60272965
Open up a clock manager for your GPU like EVGA precision.

It sounds like the clock speeds are locked at a very low rate. Or it's just scaling in a very underperforming way.

You may even have the GPU set on power-saving mode, causing it to underperform.

>>60272972
there aren't really any smaller atx or matx cases.
you could go itx and get one of those silverstone console type cases which are exceptionally space efficient.

>>60272965
doom is openGL = not very optimized

>>60273000
I require a full x16 slot with at least 2 x1 slots available. As much I wish I could use an miniATX board, I can't

>>60272994
I've been having problems where the CPU is idling at 30%. I'm not sure the gpu is the problem

>>60273024
the tj08-e is the most compact you can get without making things difficult for yourself then

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Would anyone mind filling me in on what the currently recommended B350 boards are?

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>>60271124

>AMD build
>expecting anything but shit

gib rx 560 pls. pls pajeet i ned it

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I wan't to move my pc from its current case, to a rack server case like pic related. I like servers and networking stuff, so my goal is to build a rack tower of stuff.
Is this too difficult to be worth it, or is it just like building in any other case?

Does anyone know at what point the Ryzen CPUs use XFR/boost mode?

My 1700x reached about 70-80% usage yesterday, but still didn't clock higher than 3,5ghz at any point even though you might think that it would when seeing usage that high. I was under the impression that it overclocks automatically and that there is no need to OC unless I want to jack off benchmark scores.

I don't need to enable XFR somehow, right? Or is it possible that I somehow turned it off at some point by accident?

Before anyone asks, yes I've got a more than adequate cooler for it.

>>60273039
ctrl+shift+esc

Open Resource monitor in the Performance Tab

Check CPU, see what is eating up all the processing.


Report back.

Also you might want to try creating a new user account and logging in onto that and see if it is no longer a problem.

>>60273065
stop shitposting

>>60273102
Not noteworthy different, but the cases can be pretty expensive if you want a lot of SAS-Ports (Got an Inter-Tech 4U-4424 in a LackRack, was the cheapest solution but a pain in the ass to setup).

I was just trying doom again and hear a beep then it switches it's self off and won't turn back on until I remove the power entirely and wait a minute.

Think it's time to take it to a local repair shop so they can see if there's a fault with the hardware and check I've got it plugged in correctly?

>>60273263
How much beep and how long?

>>60273384
single beep not very long at all.

Been concerned whether or not the r7 1700 is what it's worth. It's nice to have the extra cores I can utilize, I'm concerned with gaming, whether or not it will last me. Rather, I could get a 7700k to last, 8 cores may be enough:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sRGtd6

Is the 1700 worth the investment? I can assure I'll utilize the numerous cores for rendering, but will gaming lack in the future?

>>60273586
>but will gaming lack in the future?
It won't, there is no other way to increase performance, hence why Intel also will release 6 cores for mainstream CPUs before the end of the year
Games requires more and more ressources each year, and considering the IPC & frequency improvements are pretty minimal each year, there is nowhere to turn to than optimising towards the most threads possible.

That's why GTA V ran so well on last gen consoles, current gen consoles and PC: it actually made use of all the available cores. It uses all 16 threads for my R7 1700. The game came out 2 years ago on PC, and 4 year ago on xbox / ps3 (and note that the ps3 has what you could consider 8 cores)
If any company wants to make a game as CPU heavy as GTA V, they have no choice but to optimize for 8+ threads otherwise the game will run pretty shit

>>60273646
Thanks for the reply. I'll definitely keep it in mind since it will be useful as a new workstation.
Since you have a 1700, what's your opinion so far?

Also do you use the stock cooler and did you overclock?

>>60273404
Coded the AMD codes and a single beep was apparently RAM so I did a RAM check but it says it's all fine.

Any ideas guys? I'm slowly getting this thing functional.

test

>>60273708
>what's your opinion so far?
I love it, being able to have anything i want open at the same time feels fucking great, and so does not having to ever close anything when starting cpu-heavy programs
I do video editing, encoding, some streaming, recording, audio editing, photo editing, drawing and gaming, so naturally having all those cores is very enjoyable to me. But also because i can keep adobe animate, premiere pro & after effect open in the background while gaming and there is absolutely 0 drop in performance, so i can quickly get back to what i do when i want to do a pause or when i stop playing.

So far i haven't ever reached 100% usage doing multitaskign (though i did reach it by doing multiple video encodings at the same time), but the CPU usages i usually reach while doing multitasking - gaming are very often so high that even a 7700k would've shat itself long ago. Really glad i waited a few months to get this CPU instead of an i7

>>60273833
continuation because "connection error" if the message is too long (wtf???)
>do you use the stock cooler and did you overclock?
I do use stock cooler and i do overclock, but the clock is dependent on the load because otherwise i'd overheat. At base i'm at 3.3GHz because it's a 100% safe temp under any situation, even for prolonged 100% load with case fans spinning to a minimum
When doing CPU-heavy stuff, i'm at 3.7GHz. I can't sustain that 3.7 for very long if i'm at 100% load though, otherwise it gets very hot. But the only times i'm at 100% are when i do multiple video encodings at the same time.
When doing CPU heavy stuff on few cores (Wii u emulation, one big load on one thread and a small load on three others), i up that to 3.9GHz because the temperatures are still fairly low (55°C) and the performance increase is needed (as wii u emulation is very unoptimized right now)

Wouldn't recommend sticking to stock cooler for overclocking.

>>60268058
>>60268400
I saw some benchmarks that were pretty much the same in terms of results and all of them stated that 570 is about 7-12% faster than 470. If you can find 570 for 20$ or so more, take it otherwise its not much of a differnce. It will run everything on 1080@60fps but expect to turn down settings on some games

>>60268651
Cpu is fine for games, definitely new gpu and maybe more ram. If you need more horse power go r5 1500x/1600 and gtx 1060/rx580 or just buy a new graphics card

>>60273840
>Wouldn't recommend sticking to stock cooler for overclocking.
It's such a nice little cooler tho, but it's not death to me to replace it.

Interesting way to utilize the clock speeds then, I'll have to keep that in mind switching between games, scripting, etc. Might I ask how you switch the clock speeds easily? I assume a reboot with the bios, I've never overclocked myself.

It's such a nice little cooler tho, but it's not death to me to replace it.

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>>60273927
>I assume a reboot with the bios, I've never overclocked myself.
That's how OCs are usually done, and that's how i applied the 3.3GHz, but having to reboot everytime i want to increase or decrease clock would be annoying. I use the Ryzen Master tool to change cpu frequency with the os still running
You just have to specify frequency, maybe increase cpu voltage, and just click apply
You can have up to four profiles right now so i have 3000 - 3300 - 3700 and 3900, i just need to click the profile number and click apply and i'm good to go

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need a new fan, at least 80cfm and 120-140mm, cheaper the better

https://www.amazon.com/BOL-QUIET-Tri-Speed-Cooling-LP-BOL12R-Obsidian/dp/B00LGN84P8

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078IWS9I

these are what I am am thinking of getting.

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I'm doing my first build and just made an uniformed decision to buy a mobo with no VRM heatsinks - an Asrock HDV. If I want to overclock in the future, can I apply the method shown in this video to install my own heatsinks and remedy the problem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20YIimV8vY

So i bought a gtx 1080ti and plugged it in but had to use the 6pin to 8 pin converter.
Question; will that cause any problems? I dont know what brand my psu is, it is 600w and i been using it for 5..6 years now.
Besides crysis 3 most games have run perfectly, in msi ab i see that voltage max gets capped sometimes when theres a framerate dip, and i was only getting 60-70 fps with crysis 3 at 1080p lol(granted it was msaax8 but still).
Played witcher 3 for a while and runner great but im worried if the psu is causing any problems and if should just buy a new psu.
Msi gtx 1080ti gaming x running at base settings mode, tried to oc it and i got 80-100fps in crysis but it crashed and my screen was filled with green big pixels so i rolled it back.

>>60274029
This does sound like power issue indeed. I'm fairly sure molex to 8pin or sata to 8pin must exist, but it would be much better to get a new psu.

>>60274029
What PSU is this exactly?

How long are RAM prices going to be at these high prices until they come back down. I want to do a build with Ryzen and 64 GB of RAM for making a build server doing C++ build jobs. The RAM will cost more than my processor, and it's not urgent but I wonder how long exactly I will have to wait. Any solid guesses?

>>60274149
Thats the thing i bought a pre built pc and even though i chose the important stuff like motherboards, gpu etc when it came to the psu i could only chose voltages.
I tried seeing what brand it is but i couldnt even find a name.
I never intend to sli and oc cpu/ram so in reality how much power should i go for if i buy a new psu?
For now i only haven an i7 4790k with 8gb of ram.

>>60274222
500 ~ 550w is good and leave a decent room for OC
Prebuilt PSUs are always the shittiest

Is buying a 60hz ips monitor that I'd be doing some gayming on a bad idea? Im considering a freesync tn if there would be noticable tearing.

>>60274252
It's not bad, freesync is great to have indeed and pretty cheap, you should go for it

>>60274237
The pc has worked fine and i been upgrading it my self over the years but i always knew the psu would bite it someday since i never acutally installed a psu by my self and always been lazy to do it.
Guess thats next on my shopping list.
Besides corsair what are some good brands? I live in Japan if that changes anything

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screencaps from right before the crash. Should any of this concern me?

Settings changes from medium, high and ultra.

>>60274279
seasonic is usually considered the best
get a modular psu otherwise cable management will be atrocious in a prebuilt case
changing psu is actually pretty fast, just unplug cpu power, motherboard power, gpu power & hard drive power, then remove psu and do that in reverse

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>>60274295

>>60274262
I meant that im trying to decide between a ips 60hz without the freesync and a tn with. Im leaning towards the tn, even if it means a bit less color quality.

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>>60274307

>>60267984

In the OP it says

>A air cooler is generally wiser than an aio cooler

How true is this?

I can't find any decent looking and good performance fan, why do all fans look so big and bulky. Any smaller fans that have similar performance.

And anyway is air really better than an aio?

>>60274345
AIO is better but even the high end 240mm ones are only 3 - 4°C cooler than high end air cooler, for twice the price, much more risk (leakage, pump failing) and much more maintenance

An AIO is objectively better at cooling than air cooling, but the downsides are so bad that it's often wiser to get an air cooler

>why do all fans look so big and bulky
Because the bigger the better. Bigger fans can blow much more air, and bigger heatsink have much more surface to spread the heat

>>60274279
Just buy a new psu with 750-700watts

I have a budget of $600 and want to start getting into pc gaminh but i dont know where to begin. I want a pc for graphic design stuff like photoshop and premier and some mid graphics gaming. The only graphics intensive game i want to play is a the newer assassins creed games

>>60268752
600W will do fine for any config

>>60274557
start with a g4560 build and see where it lands you budget wise, what gpu it allows you to get

>>60274583
My friend said he cn give me a titan gtx 1080bfor $350. Its worth sepending half of my budget on a graphics card?

Is a Quadro worth the investment for someone making large CAD assemblies or am I better of sinking the money into a better CPU? I've used workstations with FirePo and Quadros, but I've never used a PC without one and a high end CPU.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZrPD8
Rate / Comment / Suggest parts
I'm not looking to build this immediately, but I'm hoping for the smallest footprint possible while on air. I'm waiting for an mATX non-biostar X370 board and for vega to drop before I make my decision for a GPU.

>>60274608
>Its worth sepending half of my budget on a graphics card?
For a $600 budget, no
The cpu you'd get would heavily bottleneck it
But a GTX 1080 for $350 would be one hell of a price. I think your friend got the name wrong, he's probably trying to sell you an old GTX Titan Black or Titan Z, which aren't worth $350. Seems way too fishy, even from a friend.

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I've posted this a few times over the past couple of days, but I think I'm close to making a decision.

I have chosen 3200MHz RAM, but some people have had problem with the Asus Prime getting good speeds, should I opt for the MSI B350 Krait?

Is the price difference of the 1070 worth it over 8GB RX 480?

>>60274608
A 1080 is seriously high-end. As the other guy said, with a 600 dollar budget it's a lot to spend. But 350 dollars for that card is next to nothing.

About to buy a 460, but I'm at a crossroads: should I buy the gigabyte 4gb model or the sapphire 2gb model? Price is the same, but I remember GB having issues with AMD gpus

>>60274661
4GB for the same price would be wiser, even if it means buying from a worst brand. It's not like the gigabyte cards are gonna explode or randomly bsod

>>60274646
I can vouch for him but maybe i got the name wrong. He said it was originally a $600 or $500 graphics card. He said hes not really into gaming anymore and is selling some of his parts because he doesnt need the high specs anymore

>>60274755
If i decide to use the gtx 1080 what would the cost of my build be?

>>60274784
Well some 1080s go for 500, some for 700, so you'd probably spend all your budget on the GPU if you decide to get it new

>>60270034
Yeah the 1080Ti can't even do 120fps minimum at 1080p in a lot of games with it as the bottleneck.

People like to totally overblow its performance.
But SLI is garbage. It microstutters.
Crossfire fixed their microstutter problem, but I still wouldn't recommend it, too.
You just have to wait for a better GPU. GPUs have been passing game utilization a lot lately as graphics are fairly plateauing.

>>60270684
It would still probably be better for you to get a 1600 or 1600X now and just upgrade to a 3800X later after you save.

>>60271058
I didn't question the skylake over kabylake.
I questioned paying $600 more for roughly equivalent performance.
When your build is so overpriced that you can throw in a great $480 monitor to the other build and the other is still cheaper, your build is shit.

But you say you got it for a handjob, so maybe you should have listed that instead of wasting other's time.

>>60271077
Looks fine except for that being too much money for a 1080. Look for those $400-$460 deals. It's not worth it at that price.

>>60272777
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GBZjQV
Ya don't listen to the others. That's the lowest end Gigabyte board worth buying. The others have shit VRMS. Though you could get a decent ASRock or ASUS for much cheaper.

The rest looks fine I guess, but it's just not great value. You could make an $800 build that's over 75% as good.

>>60273024
Plenty of mATX have 2 x1 slots. Though they limit you to single slot GPUs to use both.

>>60271124
You did try a clean install, right?

Migrate when you feel like it

>>60274907
>>60274907
>>60274907

>>60274911
MOM JUST 5 MORE MINUTES. PLEASE.

>>60274784
If you get a <$450 1080 on sale you can make a 1080 build for under $1200.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdzGM8
Basically this but you subtract the monitor and replace the

I just wouldn't recommend it since an i5 will bottleneck it and Nvidia drivers have issues with Ryzen in some games. You should wait for Vega.

>>60274650
DO NOT get cheap Corsair PSUs.
I'd also get a better SSD like an SU800 or MX300.
The rest looks fine.

>>60274642
220W TDP cooler is overkill.
Even at 140-180W TDP you will keep it cool while being very quiet.
And get the Seasonic 520w fanless platinum PSU.
For slightly more money you could get a 1TB MX300 or SU800.
I know the SU800 1TB goes on sale for $250 like once every month at least. I got mine for that like ten days ago.

>Is the price difference of the 1070 worth it over 8GB RX 480?
Not when you include Gsync cost, no.
If you already have a 1440p 60hz monitor that's not Gsync, though, that's fine since you'll generally stay over 60fps.
If you have a 1080p 60hz monitor, that's just retarded to get a 1070 when a 4GB RX570 will keep you over 60fps on vh/maxed in all but like 2 or 3 games.

>>60274612
My experience with CAD is that just a midrange GTX card was all the CUDA you needed. Like a 1060.
But Nvidia was making efforts to get GTX cards blocked off from use with those because you're "supposed to" use Quaddro instead even though they cost 4-6x more for the same performance.

>>60274608
There is no such thing as a Titan GTX 1080. Your "friend" is lying to you.

>>60274151
End of spring if we're lucky.

>>60274021
>f I want to overclock in the future, can I apply the method shown in this video to install my own heatsinks and remedy the problem?
>thermal tape on heatsinks
Yep. It works well. You can get a pack of them for like $4-$7.

You can also use a down-blower cooler and that'll also be fine.

>>60273646
GTA actually doesn't use more than 8 threads well.
Yeah it uses all 16, but not at very high load. And it's still quite reliant on a main render loop.
For when it came out, yeah it was threaded well.
But the past 3 years is when it's truly become common for games to fairly evenly distribute among even 12 or 16 threads.

>>60275104
>My experience with CAD is that just a midrange GTX card was all the CUDA you needed. Like a 1060.
>But Nvidia was making efforts to get GTX cards blocked off from use with those because you're "supposed to" use Quaddro instead even though they cost 4-6x more for the same performance.
Fugg... a lot of people say that, but then I go and look at bench marks and they make a bretty obvious difference. And from my own experience Quadro systems do a great job, but I don't know if its the Quadro actually making the difference because they are high end systems and I've never used one with a GTX. Researching this just makes me wanna die. Why couldn't I just be an uninformed consumer?

>>60275703
For gaming using the iGPU?
The 7600 is barely better. But it's hotter, higher power usage, and the productivity usage will be significantly worse.
You should try to get the A12-9800. It's actually kinda of amazing in a meme-yet-still-pretty-good way. It has double the gaming performance of the G4560.

Plus you can upgrade from the A12-9800 to Ryzen.

>>60274315
I bought a TN over an IPS. IPS is a meme if you're gaming.

However I was in the 1440 res, 144hz, 27" market. Mine does Freesync and is 1ms. The best comparable IPS monitor was 2, I wanted absolute lowest frametimes. If you get a GOOD TN, it really doesn't matter unless you're doing graphics work. I love love love my monitor, it's super smooth. Freesync is good but mine sometimes glitches out, that's probably a hardware bug on my end not universal to freesync
, but when it's working it's pretty cash.

>>60272777
>>60272802
>>60272830
1800X and K7 owner here, mine has been rock solid once Gigabyte got BIOS updates that were actually ready.

RAM may be touchy, CHECK THE QVL. I ran Corsair 3200 Vengeance that all the reviewers had and couldn't get it above 2400. Returned it and got the G.Skill FlareX "designed for ayymd" stuff and popped it in, threw it on XMP and it just werked with no other changes. That was on an older BIOS, F2b or something I believe for the K7. I'm on F3 now and have manually set the timings instead and it's running at 3200 beautifully. No crashes, hangs, nothing. Super quick.

I'm going to overclock this CPU soon. If I can get 4.0 on near-stock voltages, I'll be pretty happy.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zBVZd6
Building a pc for light 1080p gaming of the newest titles and office work; with a bit of headroom if I want to overlock/upgrade in the future.
I'd like some recommendations to improve the build if I'm sticking to 1600 +470.
Specifically, I'm not sure if I should go for the gaming pro instead of the mortar; and not sure if the case is ideal since this will be my first time assembling a pc.

>>60276609
I'd get a semi-modular PSU at least, and MSI UEFI and some other shit has been meeehhh especially on Linux, but looks like a pretty ideal build otherwise.

>>60275069
Should i get an i7? I know vegas is more processor intensive

>>60275104
https://www.google.com/search?q=gtx+1080&oq=gtx+1080&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.3927j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

What are you retarded a simple google search shows that it is a thinh