/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

>>60263037
First for T420 keyboards

Asking again since it got lost in last thread. T430: Nvidia GPU or not? The Nvidia models seem to be at a premium price

>>60263367
I do not plan on doing any eGPU things also

>>60263367
They're barely 30% better than integrated and run far more power. Highly advise against it.

>>60263442
Alright, going to pass on that then. Paying up to $100 more for just a slight increase over integrated is not something I want to do.

new thinkpads aren't bad beyond the keyboard and price

prove me wrong

What screen should I get to replace the shitty stock 1366x768 screen on my T420?

>>60263507
I agree, but with how cheap older models are to buy broken and refurbish yourself, it just isn't worth it.

>>60263535
The Alienware TN for sure. 1600x900 but with how good the viewing angles are you'd think they're IPS.

Don't forget to buy an HD+ cable as well.

>>60263535
get a 1080p panel with the conversion mod

>>60263587
I'm this guy requesting advice on max ram and how to overclock the cpu
Specs are 8gb ram i7 2640m on a t520

>>60263560
This desu. The 1080 converter is hard to acquire sometimes

>>60263560
OK thanks. Is there a model number for that?

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About to upgrade my W500's CPU to a T9900
>his laptop doesn't have a 3GHz processor

>>60263738
No, mine has a 4.2GHz processor.

any good recommendations for an SSD for my x230? Don't know either how much storage I'm going to need... If I had a huge collection of hand drawn moving pictures, i would definitely store them on an external flash drive.
I try to keep the price as low as possible.

>>60263655
LP140WD(TL)(G1)
Dell DP/N 3NPR6

it is night and day, really nice panel.

>>60263507
I like them.
I set up a few E6420's with quadcore i7's only to find out they don't get past $200 now.

bang/buck ratio for light college work w/ linux: x220 or x230?

>>60264609
Depends, are you a freetard, and what level?

No: 230
A bit: corebooted 220
Stallman: librebooted 200

>>60264609
whichever you can find that's cheaper

I really want a Thinkpad W700 (preferably the DS variant) but that fucking beast is almost impossible to find. Why is that?

>>60264746
it was really expensive on release so less were produced and sold

>>60264609
x230 for future proofing and less wear on parts

>>60264746
The ds is a terrible meme. The screen is terrible and it's a garbage device. Why do you want it

>>60264807
not that guy
but I would get an irc client on that second screen or a musicplayer or a terminal doing som other stuff
its easy to get rid off

>>60263037
Is €150 ok for a X230 with 8GB RAM but no trackpoint? Those cheapo replacements on Ebay work ok?

>>60264818
Or you can buy an external USB monitor that has a stand, folds up, and isn't absolute garbage

>>60264982
There's a plastic stick extension between the trackpoint and the cap. Make sure it isn't missing.

>>60264666
does stallman even use a thinkpad any more?
I thought he used that chinese RISC laptop

>>60265107
he went back to a librebooted thinkpad

Anyone know any good keyboards with trackpoints.

Looking for one to replace my KB+Mouse at work

>>60265107
https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

>>60265180
autism is strong with him
i have a feeling that poor little stallman won't live to see his liberated world

I have a T430 with the i5.

Can it drive two 1440p monitors? I have the official lenovo docking station.

>>60265666
"drive", maybe.

But it does not support more than one external monitor unless you have the dGPU.

>>60265180
that hasnt been updated in years

>>60265025
>plastic stick extension between the trackpoint and the cap
Worst case scenario it is?

>>60265797
You won't be able to attach or use the trackpoint without it. I'm sure you can find it somewhere, just be aware that you need it.

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>>60263037
how could you recommend the x240 with only 1 slot for ram??

>>60264421
I've got a 250gb mSATA for OS and a 1TB spinning rust for data storage. Works breddy gud.

I'm going to upgrade my T430 with an i7 3630QM
Is that a good choice or will it affect temps/battery life too much?

>>60263037
Stop recommending the x240 and the t440
Reeeeeeeeeeeee
They are fucking shite.
The nodded 440p 8s the only 40 series thinkpad that should be considered.

>>60266532
Read the fucking OP retard, they're fine options if you are looking for large batteries and a ULV. Stop being autistic, the OP literally says what the major downsides are.

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>>60266268
My overclocked 3840QM runs fine.

Note I have the dGPU heatsink in an iGPU model.

>>60263442
>30%
you're full of shit. It's much faster than that, especially since it has it's own vram and it's overclockable.
Get 5400m option anon, but only if it has 2GB of vram.

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>>60266863
It's 40% better, yet still absolute dumpster tier compared to even the lowest end of current gen mobile graphics. Fuck off retard.

>>60266915
what the fuck are you comparing, you stupid bitch?
Do you realize intel driver offloads the iGPU and puts it's load on CPU? Ever heard of hw/sw modes of t&l processing?
Try running fallout 4 on hd4000 in the highest clocked version (i7-3940xm - 1,35GHz). I fucking dare you.
NVS5400m with 2GB vRAM in my previous T430 was handling it fine at ~30FPS. Under HD4000 it was 1-6FPS in open areas + it was crashing all the time.
You don't even understand what these numbers mean. Kill yourself

>>60266957
I have a W530 and can confirm you're full of shit.

>>60266235
>>60266235
Didn't really think of the T470. It isn't much bigger physically than the X1 and I don't mind the extra weight
Now to find a half decent Thunderbolt 3 enclosure

>>60266995
w530 doesn't come with nvs 5400m option. Off yourself, shitstain.

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>>60267025
>The better GPU must perform worse
anon...

Where are some good places to buy old thinkpads and parts?

>>60266957
>Do you realize intel driver offloads the iGPU and puts it's load on CPU? Ever heard of hw/sw modes of t&l processing?
>>60266915
it means benchmark meme numbers are faked because of that. Intel iGPU is fucking TRASH and it fully depends on CPU performance.

>>60267045
what is that supposed to mean?
we are comparing hd4000 iGPU and nvs 5400m dGPU. Who gives a shit about your w530? Are you retarded?

>>60263037
Can't you move this shit to a new pastebin next time
For freefags who don't mind a slower PC and need LibreBoot:
T400 - 14", normal size
X200 - 12.5", ultraportable

For normal users who like the classic keyboard:
T420 - 14", normal size (supports CoreBoot)
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable (supports CoreBoot)

For users who want to hardmod and get objectively better specs (and want to keep the classic keyboard):
T430 - 14", normal size
X230 - 12.5", ultraportable (supports CoreBoot)

For users who want the best specs, like the modern style, and want the best specs:
(The touchpad is replacable on all of these with a hardmod)
T440 - 14", normal size, ULV (worse processor, much better battery life!)
T440p - 14", normal size
X240 - 12.5", ultraportable, ULV (worse processor, much better battery life!)

>>60267070
I'm telling you that your fallout meme is bullshit, you retard. If my W530's K2000 doesn't perform that well in Fallout there isn't a chance in hell the NVS does.

>>60266746
no, they are not an option.
they are worse than 30 and 20 series.they are fucking trash, the only model that is an improvement is the t440p, t540p, which are the actual succesors to the t4** and t5** models.

>>60267088
again, who gives a shit about your w530?
>If my W530's K2000 doesn't perform that well
that's probably your system isn't configured as well as mine is, gpu isn't overclocked as well as mine, you're using other game version (the newer the slower it is on low-end gpus) or you're a faggot and your laptop is throttling during gameplay?
I don't know senpai. Maybe I was testing the game at 1280x720 res and everying at low while you were trying to run it at high and full hd res?
Do you realize now how stupid your previous statement is?
Say you're sorry and silence yourself.

>>60267084
Does the x220t support coreboot?

>>60267166
>goalposts
>goalposts
>more goalposts
l m a o

hmm, T470 with 1440p screen modded into it or T470s?

>>60267146
The T440/X240 are about 5% worse CPU wise for the i5 variants, and have more battery and power bridge. They certainly are options. The only huge downside is the single RAM stick in the X240, but most people don't run 16GB anyway. There's no need to shove every user into the same use case. They're still decent, cheap machine.

>>60267186
You're a fucking retard. Enable your tripcode so I can easily filter you and your bullshit, bitch.

>>60267210
>bitch
>fuck
>retard
>bullshit
>fucking
what a colorful vocabulary. Try not to spend all your neetbucks in one place.

>>60267246
Yes you stupid retard, focus on everything that is not important. You'll win this discussion for sure.
Saged and hidden.

>>60267276
>le sage
>le retard
you need to go back

Anyone know if you can get LibreBoot working on the X230?

>>60267364
Only coreboot

>>60267364
you can't.
And you shouldn't. Coreboot degrades CPU performance.

>>60267205
>soldered ram
>shit keyboard
>shit build quality
>shit processors
>battery is actually not that good.
>shit assembly

>>60267382
>libreboot
>coreboot
same shit. Avoid it. If you're concerned about your privacy may may visit a psychiatrist.

>>60267205
single ram stick means degradation of iGPU performance by about 40%. No thanks.
Touch trackpoint buttons are literally cancer. Quality is also lower than x230/t430.

>>60267380
k

>>60267382
>And you shouldn't. Coreboot degrades CPU performance
Interesting, where can I read more on this?

>>60267404
I have sensitive IP data, nothing wrong with wanting to keep business info private

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>>60267389
>he fell for the "modern thinkpads have a worse assembly" meme
>making up all this utter bullshit

The X240 has TWICE the battery life at half the total capacity.

Can a t420 dedicate the dgpu to a vm?

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>>60264797
>x230

>>60267422
No one is unironically buying any xx40 series and not swapping their touchpads out immediately. Quality is not lower, that is a shitty meme that only retards who have never touched both series of Thinkpads believe.

>>60267442
You're too late, pajeet. We're not poor enough to resort to softmods and shittier hardware.

>>60267425
>I have sensitive IP data
So? How is it related to lenovo BIOS?
If governmental agencies are allowed to use stock lelnopevovo BIOS images then how does it matter in your case?
Quit being a retard and use your laptop like a normal human being.

>>60267452
>single ram channel
>single stick
>ULV cpu
>2017
ahahahha

>>60267442
>not swapping keyboards while keeping better hardware
kys

>>60267482
>He thinks a ULV CPU with the same performance and less power drain is a downside.
>16GB RAM meme
ahahahha

>>60267497
it is

>>60267522
>meme

>>60267497
>same performance
in your dreams, buddy.
>le meme benchmarks
kill yourself. ULV trash fully depends on turbo frequency, which is way about the nominal 15W TDP and it WILL cause overheating and throttling, because the stock heatsink in x240 is not designed to handle 25W + iGPU TDP for long periods of time.
>16GB RAM meme
more like dual channel master race. 16GB is also not bad if you're running vms on it.

>>60267497
>no expresscard slot
>no eGPU option
consider your x240/t440 meme as done, bankroupt and finished.

>>60267531
it is. the only thing that is not shit about the t440 and the x240 are the screens.
you need to stop.
the t440p is ok.

>>60267556
The T440 can't even take an FHD display

>>60267705
For some reason the X240 can.

What the fuck was Lenovo thinking?

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Wrote an objective model guide for the next OP.

x240/t440 not recommended, instead t440p/w540/t540p are if you want the modern look and wanna swap the touchpads out.

https://pastebin.com/GanLXED0

>>60267705
>>60267713
literally nothing from stopping you from swapping in a good fhd panel

why do you trust stock lenovo panels, the majority of the time they are absolute shit anyway

>>60267807
Looks good, merge it in to the new buyers pastebin?

>>60267847
Yeah give me a sec, I'm adding a bit about CPU upgrades.

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>>60264666
Best fucking answer
Should be on the OP

>>60264807
I would say that is a bit harsh
The wacom digitizer has it's novelty
The second display should of been an IPS panel
And Lenovo had the GPUs whitelisted, which sucks when the M6400 and 8730W can be upgraded

I would still get another W700ds

>>60266915
>says 5 year old dGPU sucks compared to new iGPU graphics
>implying you're going to buy a new laptop with that card
>photos shows a comparison of a current mid-tier desktop gaming graphics card to a notebook graphics card 4-5 years old that was optimized for business

>>60267084
I'd recommend a 2570p over an X230 after having one
Same goes with the E6440 > T440p

>>60267246
>doesn't like criticism
>wants people to have a tripcode so he can filter them
Just go to lainchan and be king of their tech thread there

>>60267807
>no mentions of the 8760W & 8770W master race
>no mentions of the shit display on the T420
>no mentions of the M4700 w/ MXM upgrades
>No price mentioning of 3K T540p/W540p

Where are some good places to buy old thinkpads and parts?

>>60267928
It's a model guide, not a price guide.

Explain the MXM upgrades? I know what it is, but I'm assuming there's a specific GPU upgrade you're referring to that I don't know about.

xx20/xx30 all have shit stock displays, I guess I'll add that in.

>>60267928
>2570p over an X230
careful there, you'll trigger the autists

Guys
Say I have more money than brains

T460p or P50?

>>60267960
Thank you.
Dells are more reliable to accept different GPUs, they benefit from having Alienware under their facilities and can use GPUs originated from alienwares
HPs on the other hand, are somewhat limited, but can still be used.
I think both do require BIOS flashing, but it's not like you need a Pi for most of them.

>http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/elitebook-8740w-ultimate-upgrade-guide-msata-mod-gpu-upgrade-cooling-and-etc.780243/


>>60267990
Good. It is a better machine even with the middle button and no IPS panel.

>>60267807
you forgot to mention the clickpad is terrible and needs to be modded

>>60268020
That isn't an answer though.

>T460p or P50?

Or is there something better I should look into?

>I beat my machines kinda hard. Dropped a 40oz soda on the T420, it is still kicking

Before you ask, it was in a car. The soda was on the dash, I forgot it was there. Accelerate, and onto the seat where the laptop sat it went

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OK here we go.

https://pastebin.com/Wa3w3U9B

>>60268020
Left out the stuff about Dell/EliteBooks, because I'm autistic and wanted to make the paste about ThinkPads. I think that should be linked under the OP comment about other business notebooks.

>>60268066
Added that in

Got a T420 here dualbooting win7 and arch on my 250gb evo. Is it worth flashing coreboot?

>>60268199
>Is it worth flashing coreboot?
do you have autism?
then yes.

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>>60268067
P50
MXM and Xeon support (:

>For freefags who don't mind a slower PC and need LibreBoot:
>X200 - 12.5", ultraportable

>For normal users who like the classic keyboard:
>X220 - 12.5", ultraportable (supports CoreBoot)

What about the x201? Useless? Please redpill on x201.

>>60268315
Will it survive the abuse the T420 has taken?

>>60268339
no libreboot so x200 is better if you care for that and it's slower than the x220.

>>60268315
And a second question

How good is the TN panel this time?

The T420 screen is god fucking awful

>>60268380
>How good is the TN panel this time?
ips or go home

>>60268393
Nigga, no. Nigga, IPS is nice and all, but raw POWAH is more important

>>60264521
I found this panel, but the cost is 172$.

What's the best monitor you can get for an x220?

>>60268495
the one that fits your needs

>>60268339
It's somewhat purposeless on its own. Nothing exactly wrong with it, but it can't be Librebooted like the X200, nor is it as powerful as the X220. It does fill some smaller niches, though. It's the last 16:10 Thinkpad in the X series and the last to use the older keyboard style before the slight changes made to it in the other --10 models. If you're up for modding, you can swap in an AFFS panel or the X200s/X201s 1440x900 panel.

>>60268393
>he would pick X220 IPS over W520 TN
plebs, when will they learn

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>>60268088
Updated again to include stuff about the W series and the x500 FlexView 16:10 display.

https://pastebin.com/28piBq7W

>>60268564
>W520 TN
too expensive, I'd rather get an actual monitor that getting that panel

I just put an X61s board in my X60s just because I got one for cheap, is there something else that's fun I can do with it? Already have an SSD

>>60268600
Should note that the W520's 1080p TN panel is one of the very best ever made. The W530's is good too, though it's a bit inferior to the 20's because Lelnovo. They're better than even the 1080p IPS panels that would later be offered on the --40 models. It's really only the 420/430 models that have such atrocious screens.

I cleaned my keyboard with isopropyl alcohol, 70%, and now it doesn't work, all except the power button and clit.

>>60268746
The only good thing going for it is the wide gamut

>>60268746
if only the W series weren't such large machines to lug around

>>60268819
Viewing angles are remarkably decent for TN though. It's nothing like the T420 panel at all.

>>60268315
p50 doesn't support mxm
xeon is a maymay

>>60268354
>>60268564
So someone who has an x201 should sell it and buy either x200 or x220? Is that the consensus?

Also, the x201 isn't listed here https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/pl/en/product_security/ps500104 (even though it is affected due to having ME 6.x), does that mean that Lenovo is "leaving it for dead" and not releasing a firmware update fixing the ME/AMT vulnerability discovered lately?

>>60268905
Yes, though you can disable it or neuter it entirely with an SPI flash.

>>60268905
I believe his guide is intended for new buyers picking their first Thinkpad, not a definitive "only models worth owning" list. If you're happy with your X201, be happy with it.

>>60268746
the x220/x230 are lower quality ips screens tho.

>>60268947
I'd say they're passable. Not on par with the W series, but acceptable for a 12" laptop screen. The T420 and T430 screens are real bottom of the barrel shit.

>>60268979
they only get a pass because of how awful their tn screens were.

Is there any way I could customize the keyboard on my T420 and do a half-decent job at it? I think it would look really good with red keys, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere you can buy replacement key sets. Paint would probably be a terrible idea, but maybe there's a kind that could work? Suggestions welcome.

Which would be the better choice for 3D modelling & rendering out of the 2 choices I've got in mind?
W520 = $550 AUD
T420 + i7 2820QM = $500 AUD

I just got my T530 up and working. Love it so far, I really feel the difference from my old laptop.
Anyways, what's the list of possible mods/upgrades that can be done to it?

Also, is a X200 still good as a backup shitposting machine? How well does it perform in 720p playback? Because I feel that I could blow it up of I even tried 1080p playback.

>>60269042
The c2d penryn is still a work horse you little kiddie shit.

>>60269128
The C2D Penryn Extreme is worse than a current gen i5 ULV. What are you smoking?

>>60269042
c2d is fine for watching video, including 1080p. it's weird to see people asking this since it was already normal to watch 1080p video on a computer when c2d was out.

>>60268815
Anybody

>>60269162
70% alcohol is 30% water and maybe other crap. try drying it longer.

>>60269152
Well, I was completely oblivious to the whole PC components scene until I was about 14, which is about when Arrandale/Nehalem came out, and back then in this 3rd world country you wouldn't see anyone playing videos at 1080p, at much it would be 720p.

Another question, is T51 an actual model? I see a listing for one of this alleged model going out for about $28, plus $7 in shipping.

>>60269179
I guess that's all that can be done. Thanks for responding.

>>60268935
me_cleaner is an experimental effort. Even it's author says that it is unknown how much the procedure actually accomplishes, as it is unknown what capabilities are actually hardwired directly into the ME circuitry. Secondly, there may be some adverse side effects to erasing portions of the ME firmware from SPI flash. Thirdly, the procedure is not trivial and prone to risk of bricking the board if anything goes wrong. So, it's certainly nowhere a "just do is and you're set, problem solved" kind of solution.

>>60268935
>Yes
You mean by that, that the x201 will not be patched, and will end up being the only model that will remain vulnerable (x200 is uneffected as it has ME 4.x, and x220 will receive an ME firmware update)? Why would Lenovo screw over x201 owners like that?

>>60269260
It's enough to remove the exploit at the very least. The other bits are only relevant to freefags.

>>60269292
They don't think it's worth the effort for a device that old, or it's possible they overlooked the model. There's near zero chance you will actually be affected by the exploit.

>>60269292
>x220 firmware update
What

>>60269350
He means BIOS update. Lenovo is patching out ME from most ThinkPads soon to fix the exploit.

>>60269404
Holy shit nice. I assume I'll need to install windows 10 to run the patch?

>>60268380
>The T420 screen is god fucking awful
True, I hate mine.

Using docking station and external monitors full time because I have to work remotely and the screen sucks ass for everything. esp. 1600x900 version which I have

>>60269420
I'm pretty sure you can extract the firmware and flash it on Linux.

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>>60269260
>risk of bricking the board
if you have a SPI flasher you just flash your backup of the original untouched rom
you did make a backup didn't you anon?

I have flashed my x220 about 30 times now messing with coreboot and have reflashed back to
lenovo's bios about 3 or 4 times.

To anyone else thinking about flashing their think pad. It costs around 20-35 dollars in hardware
and about a hour of your time to build coreboot + SeaBIOS from git and flash it.

pic was my first flash

>>60269479
I can confirm this. Had to flash several xx30 machines in the past two weeks, never having done an SPI flash before. It's piss easy, and the only way to fry a board permanently is to accidentally power the wrong pin. Even then it's only a chance

>>60269479
are those SOIC clips

why did you flash? hardware restrictions?

>>60268340
I would presume it would but I haven't had gotten a P-Series yet, so I can't say

>>60268600
My god it's like dankpads all over again

>>60268746
I did get a W530 which had an inferior FHD panel, it was blueish and it had vertical lines in it.

>>60268846
It doesn't
Damn

>>60269032
W520
No need to worry about throttling on the T420
Also keep in mind if you want to go the eGPU route

>>60269042
It should be fine, my X61T played Tatami Galaxy as a bluray rip fine on battery.
And this was only the L7500 CPU and on wangblows w/ 4GB RAM.
1080p streaming is something else entirely

>>60269222
You can clean the keyboard if you submerge it in water
It just needs to dry after 3 days.
Sooner if you want to blow dry it n shit.

>>60269479
Please spoonfeed me.

>>60269350
ME firmware update.

>>60269404
>Lenovo is patching out ME from most ThinkPads

No lol, they'll just package (((patched))) ME firmware that they received from Intel already for specific models. AMT (let alone ME) is here to stay, just with the vulnerablility (supposedly) closed by Intel.

I'm the guy with the flashed and heavily modded T430. I'm working on an overclock guide which will have flash instructions as well. It's nearly identical to the T60p flash. Look at the libreboot wiki and it gets you 95% of the way there. Pin out is the same.

>>60269551
yeah, my advice is to get a good clip (ponoma) even if they are about $20 on amazon
I flashed because I didn't trust my modified bios I was using
I did lose a bunch of advanced config options in the bios because the modified lenovo bios I had included the advanced menu
but I gained a bunch of support for non-standard configurations and was able to gimp the ME
if you have a i7 x220 I don't think the USB 3.0 port works (unconfirmed)

also it was just fun to do.

>>60269604
buy a SPI flasher or a device that has SPI capability
Buy a ponoma SOIC-8 Clip from amazon
You will need to read your original rom from the device to extract some binary blobs such as the VBIOS/ME Firmware (you can clean it later) and the GBE Firmware
inside the menuconfig for coreboot you add all your binary blobs to the config and build it
OPTIONAL: I build SeaBIOS seperatly from coreboot and add it as a payload after so I can customize it and test different versions

flashrom -r my_original_rom.bin -p linux_spi:dev=/dev/spidev0.0 <- back up your rom
flashrom -w coreboot.rom -p linux_spi:dev=/dev/spidev0.0          <- write your new coreboot rom

https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/x220
https://www.amazon.com/3M-923655-08-SOIC-NARROW-TEST/dp/B005T7HB6U/

looks like the clip prices are all fucked up now cause of the ME scare I would wait for the prices to come down

>>60269309
I think that information about the vulnerability should be put in the /tpg/ OP pasta because many people (even owners of affected Thinkpads) seem to be unaware of this. Here's the latest thread dedicated to the issue >>60250680

>>60269726
I paid $20 for a pomona clip, you linked a 3M

>>60269726
Can you flash the x220t with coreboot?

>>60269746
I also paid $20 for a pomona clip, I didn't link it because they are ~50-60 on amazon currently
the 3M is cheaper and is still better than the Chinese garbage clips on there

>>60269767
yeah the digitizer will work with coreboot and it is the same process

>>60269479
>dat crocodile clip

Still looks risky af. What if a part of the contraption randomly slips just a bit for whatever reason? Hosed flash = bricked board. And the author of me_cleaner says himself
>Even if this tool has been tested with your system, it does not mean that this modification is safe, so be prepared for a brick!
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/How-does-it-work%3F

>>60269767
macronix chips are a pain in the ass to flash since its a bga not a SOIC8/16 package
try resetting BUCTS flag to see if you can flash it through software instead

>>60269795
>Be prepared for a brick
i.e this shit could break so be prepared to reflash it
you would have to have some really big balls to try to flash the bios from the system management interface
in fact I don't think you can flash coreboot or even touch the ME firmware region without using a ISP

>>60269795
A brick or incomplete flash is repaired with a reflash. How could you possibly brick an eeprom with a bad write? It won't fry it, it just won't boot. Brick just means the firmware on the chip won't function. Flashrom also verifies writes by dumping after it competes and comparing.

>>60269309
>They don't think it's worth the effort for a device that old
There's still plenty of x201 machines in use, even by business/enterprise customers, and considering the severity of this vulnerability, it would be a huge dick move on Lenovo's part to patch the **20 series and later but leave the x201 out.

>There's near zero chance you will actually be affected by the exploit.
By that logic most people should never bother patching anything at all. If the existence of a remote exploit allowing an utter and complete compromise of something such as the ME could be ignored, then why even worry about anything at all?

>>60269882
Full execution requires physical access.

What is everyone's battery life like?

T430 with (old) 6-cell, get around 3-4 hours.

>>60269945
Near thirty hours running four cores at 1.2GHz with a slice battery.

Everything runs fine.

>>60269945
My 9-cell is down to ~78% capacity on my x220 and I get about 5-6 hours
I have disabled Turbo boost which I felt like that gave me at least 20-40m on average
using the i5-2540m version (2.6Ghz base clock) and a Intel SSD

>tfw fell for the thinkpad meme

>>60269604
Yeah, I keep forgetting that video playback and video streaming are two different things. I should have said that 1080p streaming (because that's what jewtube is, right?) would probably strain a Penryn C2D

>>60265025
...or cracked. Common on more recent keyboards.

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>>60269726
Thanks for the information, saved

>>60270069
Well there is no point of 1080p streaming on a 720p display unit.
There is always a broadcom crystal HD card you can buy to help it out.

Meh, don't stream ;P

>>60269992
What is the details?

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I got a free ThinkPad E450 from work.
thoughts on it?
http://www3.lenovo.com/ph/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-e-series/E450-Sub-Series/p/22TP2TEE450

>>60270315
Garbage, sorry.

>>60270315
E Series are particularly fragile. Also, some models have a build quality so bad, that they short circuit at times.
But if it's free, enjoy it. But do take care of it.

>>60267928
you're that elitebook fag. go back to /elitebookgeneral/ OH WAIT

>>60270473
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

>>60270559
Sorry shitposter, ENEETbooks are welcome here. Your faggotry is not.

>>60270580
the only faggotry in this thread is you. delete yourself

>>60270580
>>60270473
Oh, you must be that faggot who wants everyone to fuck off and practically not ask for advice here since your only reply will be "hurr Durr just fucking Google it hurrrrr".
Here's your (You), now please leave.

Staying on topic, I kind of agree that 25x0p have more moddability than the X2x0 models, but (at least where I live) you can still times find X2x0 models for less cash.

>>60270646
Quad core 45w 12" computers are only for home owners who want to cash out their insurance policy

>>60269032
At that price for the W520, unless it's well specced then you could probably get a W530 for that much. For whatever reason the prices aren't too far apart in Australia.

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>>60270315
It's free, nothing wrong with that.
People here may bash you for it, and there is better TPs out there, but heck it is better than Acer or HP Envy crap.

>>60270711
hahahhaha

>>60270580
Nah, I'll stay
Have a ThinkPad all u can eat.

>>60270921
new review when!!!!

>>60270921

Hey tripcunt, sell me that butterfly ThinkPad please.

My rich friend wants a nice/ new one that can be used for college

what do

>>60271185
nvm I just saw you upload a new video lol

>>60271226
This was in December 2015, it sold for $260 the spring afterwards. :x

>>60271185
I'll take questions... Probably going to talk about the 2570p.

>>60271652
yes, do some video about the 2570p.

>>60271360
It really, really depends on budget and if you want it to be ultraportable, portable enough or back-breaking but powerful.

New... Eh, I'd say new T470's go for around $650-$750. Your best bet if you want a balance is T430, T440 if you want a bit more battery time and don't mind the non-physical TrackPoint buttons or you're willing to make the mod.

If you want it to be as ultraportable as those crappy "mini netbooks", go for the X230 or X240. Or if you have the need of a DVD drive, a EliteBook 2570p, but anyways, isn't an external DVD drive much better for either case?

>>60271652
Is it costly and/or worthy to have a collection of ThinkPads? I might start one after I finish university and get a stable job, but I'm not really sure how far back I would go.

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Is it worth getting a T430S if it's significantly cheaper than a T420 or T430 (150 vs 200/250)? Is there any way to mod it to make it less shit?

>>60270921
You're a decent looking guy, why do you LARP as an ugly girl? Disgusting.

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>>60271690
You gotta do good waiting on them
My 701C I bought for $100, it was just an 'IBM ThinkPad' on eBay.
There was a lot of 770 ThinkPads, selling for $130. I asked the seller if he could ship via FedEx, and it went down to $60.
Two of the units were 5:4 display units, I listed one of them after installing an OS and it sold for $260 next day on an auction w/ Buy it Now.

Read up on the kind of ones out there.
I did get a few broken T20's, A22m, and 380 for about $40 each. They don't work but meh.

I initally bought my A31p for $70, now I'm at $360 so far into it.

My last purchases were two broken 2521's for $150 each (didn;t read it was broken), and a 755CX for $70

>>60271741
Because I pretend I still look good when I used to be at 19.

>>60271796
Hm, the problem is, if I wanted to do all my purchases through eBay, I would be ass-raped by the shipping fees because I live behind the wall. Oh well, maybe in a not so far future I can move to the US and cut costs.

The lowest price that old ThinkPads I go for in local sites is about $18, without shipping, for models such as 300 and 600, but generally they are for parts or do not have AC adapters.

And I can safely assume that repairing them would cost more than it would cost to get those elusive W70xds or X30x or X1x0 models... But I guess it doesn't matter as long as it fills the empty slot in your collection, I guess.

>>60271882
And... A paragraph broke. I meant that the lowest price I get for older models is about $18, for models such as 600 and 300.

>>60271796
>Because I pretend I still look good when I used to be at 19.
wew lad

>>60271882
mexifag?

>>60271984
Yes, but do you expect me to say "amigo", "wey", or something like that to just prove it?
Anyhow I might just get me some models with Core2Duos as backup laptops. Thanks for the help, regardless.

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I just got a 390e for free. The hardware is still immaculate and runs strong, no cracks, damage or even scuffs. This is more than I can say for my well loved t60 and t420. The only thing wrong with it is winxp is complaining about the license. Fixable, but why bother? I have a tablet-top I keep around for windows bs.

Does anyone else keep one of these in use? What do you use it for? Is there still a place for well constructed tech like this that's both more power hungry and less powerful than a raspberry pi?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-T430-14-0-Laptop-with-Docking-Stations-Intel-Core-i5-3rd-Gen-3320M-2-60-/201673487719

How does this deal look for a T430? i5 model, 8GB RAM, 240GB SSD, and the docking station for $270 USD

The i/o capability on that is better then an RPI.

>>60272171
That is ridiculously high. A non-i7 T430 should NEVER go for more than $200 USD.

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>>60269604
p70 does tho

So my x220 stopped charging my batteries and I'm looking to upgrade to a t470.

Going with the base model + 1080p and battery I come up to a total of $670 using the perk code in the OP.

Any other coupon codes/codes I should know of before I bite the bullet?

Thanks in advance

My X220 keyboard died after I spilled some water on it.
Is 30$ for replacement keyboard okay or is it possible to find even cheaper?

>>60272610
If it's backlit thats okay
If not you could get it for like 15-20

>>60272648
>If not you could get it for like 15-20
Ebay is the way to go, eh? I took this 30$ price off from aliexpress.

>>60272544
you mean downgrade?
>stopped charging
what do you mean by this? explain

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What is the top part of the screen lid called and what part number should I look for when looking for replacement?

X230 pictured with very worn top part of the screen. I'd like to get a replacement for this.

>>60272675
Batteries don't charge.

Tested this out with 3 batteries at this point and while the laptop powers on from the batteries theyll just slowly decharge over time.

Not an issue with the power supplies either since I've tried two different ones, all of them being genuine shit.

>>60272727
screen lid back top

>>60272727
https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=152431918714&lpid=82&&&ul_noapp=true&chn=ps

>>60272832
Disconnect battery, disconnect power supply. Start pressing power button every 2 seconds for ~30 secs.
Then reconnect everything and check.
Charging subsystem is pretty decent in x220, so it might help.

>>60272890
>>60272832
also I presume batteries were also genuine?
Chink shit is known to have a shitty voltage regulators in it.

>>60272867
>>60272885
Thanks!

So I'll have to replace the whole lid and not just the top part? A bit more expensive than I expected but I guess it might be worth it.

>>60269018
plasti dip

>>60266785
didn't know that would work. certainly it didn't work on the t420s

hey /tpg/

I have an IBM T22 lying around but it is missing the charger and battery.
Since it is a pretty old laptop, I'm having second thoughts of buying the parts for it, it currently has 512 MB of RAM, and I believe a 20 gb HDD. What do you guys think? Is it still worth the time and money to make it operational again? Or should I consider buying a newer thinkpad laptop?

>>60272890
Tried this, no dice.
>>60272912
Yeah batteries were genuine.

hello /tpg/

is this w510 worth it?
$300 AUD
CPU: Intel Core i7 720QM 2.8GHz
8GB memory
Nvidia FX 880M
FHD IPS
320GB HDD

I'm coming from an X220. Don't NEED a new computer, just on the lookout for good deals.

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>>60273517
>IBM T22
Well, if you want to make it operational then by all means do it. I got my 10$ T30 opened due to SVP.
I mean the charger cost about 10€ in aliexpress and the battery is about 20$.
You could probably get a T4X computer with +30$ with charger and battery but those machines are not too much different with T30.

It depends what are you planning to do with old computer as T22. It is not like you can browse the internet in the same way as you browse with a 7-10-year-old laptop with ram up to 8gb.

My X220 arrives today/tomorrow. I'm hype /tpg/!

Is the 2530p cpu soldered?

>>60273698
I ripped the lid off mine and use it as a desktop replacement. It's fantastic for 200 bucks.

>>60273663
Well currently I don't have the desire to spend upwards of 150$+ on a brand new Thinkpad laptop which is the reason why I'm considering refurbishing the one I currently own, my plan was to run a light version of Linux to see how well it runs with it, but like I said it's old hardware and I'm not completely sure if I want to spend my money on it.

To be honest, I'm not even sure if it works anymore since I don't even have the charger to power it up, so buying the charger for it will be a gamble in my part. It's been sitting under my bed for 5 years now.

>>60272270
It's useless because it won't accept any cards besides the specific parts Lenovo offers for the machine.

>>60273698

FUCK. Is this replaceable?

>>60273785
> I don't even have the charger to power it up, so buying the charger for it will be a gamble in my part.
I know that feel. Before buying anything, try to find an alternative charger with a similar jack. I mean I booted my T30 with 19-20V charger even tho these computers are meant to be used with 16v charger. It should be fine if you used for a short period of time. Longer usage of higher voltage charger may break it. If you manage to find that is. But yeah, you should buy that charger because you can use it to quite alot of thinkpads (just like T60 chargers works with T420) etc.

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>>60273921

Forgot pic

>>60273945

The top panel, and bottom one are bent.

>>60273939
That's true, I guess I can buy the charger for it. It's not like it's too expensive anyhow, they go for up to 8$ on ebay.

I found a T400 with a working battery for 120 euros. Is it worth it?

>>60273945
If you don't need it replaced you could save the money if it all works fine

The bottom part you can buy a replacement palmrest cheaply, or even some chink/hk empty shell palm rest, and youd need to switch over all the circuit/wire stuff from yours into that, but it would be even cheaper as it'd be only the plastic
For the top, its harder to find screen bezels alone but still possible too.
Also have a look for broken / fucked up / missing-loads-of-parts X220 on ebay, it's a really cheap way of having a bunch of spare parts.

Don't forget you can have up to 16GB ram, the IPS screen is much better than the TN, an SSD is a must, and you can have an mSATA hard drive alongside a second hard drive

>>60274398
>>60273994
if by 'top and bottom panel are bent' you meant the palmrest, and the front of the body, then yea again look for replacement parts or a cheap not-working for-parts X220

>>60274377
Not really. What are the specs? If you do not know the specs then ask the seller to tell the Type number of the computer and pray to god that it is not "CTO" model (Config-to-order, meaning that the tp.krelay.de can not tell its specs)

>>60274412

The bit I'm describing is where the palm rest joins the bottom of the laptop on the righthand side. I guess I'll look for videos of other people replacing it to see how difficult it is.

>>60273567
the screen alone makes it worth it, it it's this model: B156HW01 V.4
AFAIK it's the only FHD display on the w510 but it's not IPS, it's a very good TN .

>>60273811
>lelnovo marketing
and you shills still fall for their memes. Shame on you

I have an x220

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>>60263037
>Used ThinkPad buyers guide:
>cum crusts and cum chips

>>60273310
What would work?

>water gets spilled on x61
>does boot anymore gives a "beep beep beep beep" 4 times if I try to get it booted
werent these supposed to survive these things?

anyway what should I do now I cant use the internet well and fast aside from this old ass mobile phone used to post this
someone got knows how to fix this? or got an article on how to fix this
would be really thankful this phone is giving me cancer of how slow it is

>>60277022
>doesnt* boot anymore

what's your opinions on other business laptops?

>>60277022
google for a manual and see what the post beeps mean

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My first sticker was full of shit. I bought the new one and after a few months it's full of shit too. How are you handling this?

>>60277266
that's not the worst thing, the wrist rest randomly cracks, by the fingerprint reader.

>>60277022
https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf#page=59

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I have a T530 w/ a stock 1600x900 screen; could I buy a 1920x1080 replacement and not have to worry about the voltage inverter board?

>>60273945

Update they offered me one of three options:

>a partial refund and I keep the machine.
>a full refund.
>the swap out the machine with another one.

What do you think, comrades? Has anyone any experience with replacing the palm rest and bezel?

>>60277807
I do. It's not difficult. Look up the prices for both parts and have them pay you the cost.

>>60276834
the heatsink using dgpu on the non dgpu one

>>60277807
>>60277922
Scratch that, make them throw in an extra $10-20 for your inconvenience.

>>60277960
Why didn't it work on the t420s? It should work almost universally, since on all non-s boards I've checked the difference between them is an extra pipe leading to an empty spot where the dGPU should be. Is the motherboard layout totally different on that model for some reason?

>>60277960
>>60278016
I'm on mobile but looking at the two different motherboards, it looks like it should work on both models, you might just have to remove some of the black adhesive. Have you personally tested this?

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>>60278016
that's what i thought too, but instead of an empty spot, it has something poking out. that plastic
>pic related
>>60278095
yup, I've tested it myself.

Just installed Linux Mint 18.1 in my x220. Temps dropping until 50ºC.
Do I need any extra package? Been searching in Thinkwiki but don't know what to look for...

>>60277807
Take the partial refund and cover the widdle boo-boo with a sticker.

Lived-in laptops are aesthetic.

>>60278150
TLP, but that's a good idle temp anyway.

>you walk into your room
>you realize someone swapped your pleb-tier thinkpad with fully featured hp 2570p
What do you do?

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>>60278234
forgot picture

>>60278234
Murder them because my ThinkPad is fully upgraded and worth more in parts than any 2570p could, but also has the superior keyboard.

>>60278234
If they changed my T30 then I'm okay with it. Too bad I can't get rid of Intel AMT and other botnets

>>60278250
If it includes all that shit, I'd just sell it all and buy another ThinkPad, pocket the difference.

Can i install a Dell DW1510 wlan card on the T430 or am i going to get cucked by the chinknovo whitelist? Is it easy to change the bios?

What's the optimal thinkpad configuration right now? T420 with an Ivy bridge quad core mod and 8gb ram?

>>60278670
maxed out P70

>>60278670
You can bump that up to 16GB RAM.

Either that or the same on a T430 with a keyboard swap.

Ivy Bridge works great in a T420, but there are some issues with SeaBIOS/Coreboot (which is a requirement for using Ivy Bridge on a T420).

https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t420

>>60278687
:^)

how to get a free thinkpad?

>>60278738
theft or work for a company that lets you pick a work laptop

>>60278738
theft

>>60277922

It'll be up to €100 for the parts. I want to stress its not just the palm rest its the bit underneath too

>>60278791
Yeah, it's just prying apart the bezel after undoing a bunch of screws. It's tedious but not difficult.

>>60278778
where to steal thinkpad?

>>60278816
thinkpad warehouse

>>60278823
which one to steal?

>>60278864
depends what you want to do with it and how /fit/ you are

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>>60278864
specced out P70

What's the name of that rare ThinkPad again?

>>60279141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLj3aCfqzOM

>>60279189
not that one, the rare one.

>>60279231
The 701c is not rare enough? Then I guess you can't be talking about the W701ds

>>60279231
>inb4 the one with integrated printer

>>60279141
X300?

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modest collection is modest but useful

>x240
>t410i

>>60279141

The one with the butterfly keyboard? 701 I iirc.

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Can anyone tell me what the bottom piece that's cracked is called and maybe link me a picture or ebay listing so I know what I'm looking for?

>>60280058
"Bottom Case Cover"

FRU 04W1626 04W1627

Almost at limit, migrate when ready.

>>60280615
>>60280615
>>60280615
>>60280615
>>60280615

>>60280026
>botnet
and
>botnet
Git out

Any way to tell a counterfeit charger from an original one? I notice some have a date printed near the bottom while others don't, and some have a grounding pin in the cable.

>>60277266
>using stickers that pretend to be speakers

>>60279068
>1TB drive only 5 quid more than 500GB drive

Why would anyone even bother with the 500GB one?

>>60280859
So T60(p) and X60 are the end of the line?

>>60281659
If I just tear them away, it would look even worse.

>>60280621
Why not wait until we hit 310?