/pcbg/ - PC Building General

how legitimate are those programs that claim to increase your cores?

I know physical cores can't change but what about virtual cores? can I actually get more than 2? there's a program out there I was thinking of downloading to do this but idk

>>60262224
>how legitimate are those programs that claim to increase your cores?
It's a lie. The only thing that can increases the number of "virtual cores" (the name is threads) is hyperthreading / SMT (Simultaneous Multi Threading), which are hardware based solution. As in, it has to be included inside of the CPU itself when it is made.

>>60262171
What's the no AMD for Linux thing?
AMD Linux drivers have gotten so much better. And Nvidia has been trying to prevent GPU passthrough on Linux lately for some fucking reason.
I'm running AMD on Linux and seems fine. What am I missing?

1080Ti for 4K @ 60 is loaded, too. It only does that on a small, small handful of games maxed. Usually it's in the 35-45fps range maxed, so you have to turn down settings as similarly noted for the RX580 at 1440p.

>i7-7700k for high 144hz framerate but heats a lot.
Is also confusing because many game engines simply won't go that fast like FO4. For those that can, the 1600 at 4GHz does 144hz just the same.
It's hard to list something for the 7700k which everyone will consider unbias, but still.

>>60262289
>Is also confusing because many game engines simply won't go that fast like FO4. For those that can, the 1600 at 4GHz does 144hz just the same.
The 7700k is simply straight up better than the r5 1600 at achieving high framerates
>For those that can, the 1600 at 4GHz does 144hz just the same.
My R7 [email protected] hovers around 120FPS in GTA V, it only hits 144hz while in the air on in the countryside

>>60262311
But the 7700k also hits ~100% on all 8 threads without achieving 144fps in MANY games.
In the ones it can maintain over 144, usually so can the 1600, except maybe some edge cases like GTAV.
Plus it's a dead socket. In 2 years you can get a 3700 and hit 144 in GTAV in addition to all those games that max out the 7700k. For anyone with a 7700k, they're going to have to buy a new board to upgrade.

>>60262453
Seems like a nicely optimized game just in general. Weither you have 2c/4t, 8c/t8, 4c/8t, or 8c/16t, it still has nice performance there. Every game should look like that.

>>60262171
I need help getting a motherboard for my Ryzen 1600x. I'm upgrading from an i5 6500. I have narrowed it down to an x370 and b350 motherboard. I need to be able overclock to 3.9-4.0mghz and stable ram at 2933mghz. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It seems that oc ram is a failure with b350's so should I just go x370?

>>60262171
I feel like buying a GTX 1080ti, but should I wait for VEGA or hold off a bit longer for Volta?

>>60262592
Yes.

>>60262648
Wait for Vega.

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>used to be the the type of nigga to disassemble entire motherboard, reapply thermal paste & use thinner pads to overclock everything to its limit
>now Im the type of nigga that undervolts everything and runs the CPU at stock clocks because its quieter

>>60262668
I need to upgrade my GTX 980ti just isn't cutting it for me I need more power.....

>>60262592
Even the cheapest board will do 4GHz on a 1600X. Ryzen is very power efficient and even the cheapest board is made to support an 1800X with draws more power.
RAM is trickier. BIOS still get updated regularly.

b350m Gigabyte Gaming 3, ASRock Pro 4, and ASUS PRIME are all nice and pretty cheap. But your RAM might not run 2933 on day1. Check QVL to see if your RAM is in them.

>>60262648
Volta probably isn't coming until Q2 2018.
Personally, I wouldn't get the 1080Ti. It's the best card of the end of a generation of cards. Buying a 1080Ti now is like buying a GTX 580 before GCN came and then Nvidia followed by changing everything again.

>>60262689
Don't get me wrong, the 1080ti is a great card, but Vega is around the corner. The prices will drop soon, so wait.

Does anyone think that Ryzen 2 will overclock alot better? This seems too far ahead, but just some food for thought.

what does /build/ guros think of sound cards?

>>60262487
>hits ~100% on all 8 threads
This is pretty rare.
It hits 80% constantly, but 100% is very rare and only for briefs instants.

>In the ones it can maintain over 144, usually so can the 1600
The 7700k, again, i just straight up better at achieving high framerates. Sure, the R5 1600 is not far behind at all, and actually packs more performance because of the two more cores making it often a better choice, but it can't achieve as high framerates.

>>60262748
We know Zen3 will. Zen2 is unknown. Depends if they switch from LPP to LPU node process or not.
I'd personally bet they won't. The licensing costs might not be worth the benefits unless LPU will help them with server chips as well.

>>60262775
Get a DAC instead.

>>60262171
I just finished building a new Windows 10 PC and I'm having a few issues.

The OS seems sluggish, it will take a moment to do things or Pale moon will hang for a second. Is this normal? It's a high tier PC so it should run it fine.

My internet connection isn't reaching it's usual levels on speed check and steam keeps dropping it's downloads. Any ideas?

>>60262811
It would be incredible to have a zen2 or zen3 with the ability to hit 5ghz oc. The future of computing really is amazing.

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>>60262832
Is it an official Windows key? Have you downloaded all the necessary drivers?

>>60262832

Perhaps Windows 10 is updating itself in the background?

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>>60262803
>This is pretty rare.
It's really not.
It's really common, but the 1080Ti is a mere 10% short of consistently putting the bottleneck on the 7700k instead.

Once we get a faster graphics card, you're going to see the 7700k hitting 95-100% on all 8 threads A LOT. Tons of games from the the past 2 years with a 1080Ti are putting it at 90-95% overall.
It's odd that no one is doing 1080Ti SLI benchmarks when 144hz is supposed to be the meme but both the 1080Ti and 7700k often can't hit it even at 1080p.

>>60262171
I'm currently running a shitty Haswell i5 from 2014. What should I go for in terms of upgrades? My GPU is a 1060, but I'm afraid that because of this, Ryzen isn't much of an option due to some incompatibilities. Although, I don't know if I want to go for the i7-7700K due to the heat issues.

>>60262899
1080 ti SLI hasn't been optimized

>>60262843
haha 5ghz.
Maybe 4.5.
I don't get why people have autism for clock speeds. You get far worse performance/watt. IPC is better.

>>60262904
4790k would be a good cheap route to go. You can keep your board and DDR3 then.

>>60262859
>BIOS update improves IPC more than 3 generations of Intel CPUS.
why is this allowed

>>60262171
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60-75hz, inject SMAA and drop settings for some games
>1070 - 1080p@144hz/1440p@60hz, poor value but performs well

I just bought a 1440p@60hz monitor and I'm planning on getting a 1070. Explain to me why its a poor value over the rx 580 when the 1070 gets much higher fps over the rx 580.

>>60262930
I was also considering the 4790K. Should I go with liquid cooling or just buy an aftermarket fan tho?

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>>60262899
Also I can't find the same scene for Ryzen but, here's the same game and it seems like it was doing better.

Seems to me that if the 7700k had a better GPU, it would bottleneck it without getting remotely near 144fps, while the Ryzen CPU has the headroom that it'd hit it if only the GPU wasn't bottlenecking it. The game seems well threaded enough. Pretty much any game that uses 8 threads also scales well in 12 or 16.

>>60262904
I would recommend Ryzen, but the i7 7700k is good although the refresh with new motherboards will eventually make things a bit harder to decide. I say wait, but depending on your needs a Ryzen 1600x or an i7 7700k are good choices. If you mainly game then go for the 7700k worried about heat get the 6700k instead. If you video edit and need extra cores then the 1600x is the best.

>>60262949
It's not both are good GPUs the 1070 is a bit better at 1440p if that's what you want then go for it. Personally I'd go for the 1080, but if you don't have the cash then the 1070 is quite a good choice.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/THrwnn

Will this CPU cooler be sufficient? Also, I'm not sure about the SSD. I was thinking about just getting a 4 TB HDD as my only storage option.

>>60262962
I'm thinking that the switch to Ryzen would be more cost effective. The CPU + mobo would be cheaper than buying a new mobo for the 1151 socket on top of the actual 1151 processor, which seems to be around $300+ no matter what.

Not sure if it fits here,. But can I mix and match harddrives in a nas system?

>>60263033
forgot to add. Qnap TS-431

>>60262959

>pictured, DX11 dying a painful death

pls r8 my full rgb build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NfGdWX

Is intel pentium g4560 enough it if I pair it with a gtx 1060 6GB

>buy a processor on april 28th
>shipping is purchased by seller on the 29th
>should be ready to ship
>estimated arrival date is May 8th

>doesnt ship
>doesnt ship
>doesnt ship
>finally ships it on May 6th
>only just got an update today thats its in florida
>im in Indiana

Is this worthy of negative feedback? This is some bullshit, they bought shipping, all they had to do was stick it in their fucking mailbox and didnt bother for days.

>>60263013
Yes, the 1600/1600X is much cheaper. Lower energy and cooling cost, as well.
Your cheapest option would be getting a 4790k.

>>60263000
If by sufficient you mean massive overkill. You really only need 140-180w TDP of cooling. And that's leaving plenty of headroom so it stays quiet without maxing out the fan.
Go ahead and go with it, though.

should i buy a delidding tool for my 7700k? is it hard to fuck up?

>>60263082
Yes, I would give negative feedback over that.

>>60263078
You will be CPU bottlenecked in many games. Will drop all the way down to 30fps at times even though that GPU can push 60+.

>>60263102
why. If you're considering direct die cooling, you should already be experienced and not need to ask /g/.

>>60263102
No it's not hard, but hitting a stable 5.0ghz is quite hard. I would give it a try watch some tutorials on YouTube it's not that hard and the benefits of lower temperatures are pretty good.

Whats the point of getting an r7. Seems like r5 and 7700k are better deals.

>>60263116
>direct die cooling
He's probably just looking to replace the thermal paste and put the IHS back.

>>60263128
>Anonymous 05/07/17(Sun)12:15:07 No.6026
where can i buy one at?

>>60263172
Try Amazon or ebay

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NyFYBP
Thoughts? Pulling the trigger on this soon.
One question I do have though is this; my RAM is not on the QVL. What would happen if I use it regardless? It running at lower freq?

>>60263163

My 1700 is pretty good. Just locked it in at 3.9 1.35 and its finishing up 24 hours of prime 95 right now. Like the cores for work.

>>60263047
no, wrong meme!

top 10 anime deaths!

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OK anons, I know it's overpriced as hell but what I want to know is this:

is it possible to build such a nicely cooled and sound-proofed build like the Corsair One?

My Ivy build is aging and I want a rather small/compact GAMUR build.

Small size and as quiet as possible while having a small undercut in performance (can't have everything, I know) is what I want to achieve. I plan to move countries in a year, so I'd like to take it with me easily.

>>60263064
gay disco/10

>>60262171
what voltages are people running their r5 1600s at?

Hello, i am looking to replace my stock cooler on the 4790k, what are some good options? Should i go with liquid cooling or air.

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>>60263163
The R7 lineup is aimed at video editing, 3d rendering, compiling, and other workstation tasks. They are the best deals if you do that sort of thing.

>>60263288
How does it stack up to xeons?

I bought a ryzen 1600
I oc'ed it to 3.75ghz with stock voltage, but whenever I turn on SVM, for the virutal machines, everything becomes unstable, the it fluctuates between 3.6 and 3.7ghz and the bus speed drops to 98~97, what should I do?

>Setup:
-1600 @ 3.75 1.248V
-16GB DDR4 2400mhz
-Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3

>>60263223
You can get pretty close to that with an ITX cube case. Put a hugeass fan in front and something to exhaust and it shouldn't be too loud either. Cases like Fractal node 202 are smaller but managing thermals gets difficult.

>>60263310
Similar performance for half the price.

>>60263102
>>60263169
Oh he said a 7700k. somehow I read 1700x there.

>>60263310
>How does it stack up to xeons?
25-100% higher perf/watt except for AVX256 and AVX512.

>>60263322
You should drop your clocks or raise voltage. Being stable on one instruction set doesn't mean it's stable for all. Prime95 doesn't test that much.

>>60263369
I tested with Cinebench and aida64extreme and there were no problems

how can people say the i7 hits 80% cpu usage when streaming?

I have an i7 930 and I'mm hitting about 60% CPU usage across all 8 cores streaming at 60fps 1080p and my total cpu usage says "44%"

>>60263402
thank you. you're making me feel a lot better about my purchase decision

>>60262699
How about HDV if Pro4 is unavailable?

>>60262869
Yep, bought with a USB install.

I'm updating them now.

>the most professional tech journalists in the world (toms hardware) have declared that intel beats AMD in every price bracket for CPUs
>this thread still shills poozen

really shits in my street

>>60263365
>cases like the Fractal node 202 are smaller but managing thermals gets difficult

that's what I wanted to know, if I went for a small form factor I'd eye a Dan Case but I guess people are OK with a little more heat/sound in these cases

>>60263402

Potatocam is a great way to keep cpu usage down.

>>60263449
No heatsink but meh. Fine for a 4 or 6 core I imagine. Worst case scenario is you buy a $4 pack of heatsinks. I don't think that board has 2 x16 slots though but if you don't need that then go for it.

>>60263483
I use xsplit to stream to twitch.

>>60263491
Thankyou. Not the original anon but I was fretting about my HDV order. Also I don't gaf about overclocking so hopefully it's all good. Components are so expensive and choices are limited here in Australia.

>>60263402
What game are you streaming

>>60263197
Consider a larger SSD.
RAM will probably run at lower speed, yes. Try doing that before purchasing that 3200 kit.

>>60263545
Witcher 3

>>60263617
I think witcher 3 is incredibly GPU bound. Let me test how it runs on my 6700k on obs

Are there any differences between GPU manufacturers? Some of them cost $50 extra. Is there a reason for this?

>>60263617
How's your cpu usage in Novigrad?

>>60263288
How much RAM can the R7 take at maximum?
I'm looking into Xeons just because of the massive RAM amounts.

>>60263696
64GB

>>60263712
Any boards with ECC support?

>>60263085
You're right. The 4790K + fan is cheaper than doing a total revamp.

Scared to buy my delidding tool on ebay. Can somebody recommend one?

>>60263369
>>60263322
So I used the default mb configurations, ryzen at stock everything and turned on the svm
The same thing happens
Ghz oscillates between 3.3 and 3.6 and the bus speed oscillates between 97 and 98
what's wrong, is it cpu-z's fault?

will c14 3200mhz ram still have better performance than c16 3200mhz ram after the amd update?

Are SSHDs any good? My budget is too tight for ssd+hdd so I have to pick one or the other

>>60263910
no

>>60263910
no. pick ssd now and buy hdd for storage later

>>60263562
I don't know if I need the larger SSD, but I'll look into it.
>Try doing that
doing what?

So I bought a 8 gig graphics card but when I do a specs check on canirunit I it lists 4 gig. Any way to explain this?

>>60263979
>canirunit
don't use that garbage site. it's literally wrong in 95% of the cases.

post speccy image

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCpQnn

What motherboard, case, and power supply should i get.

I am trying to building a rig for compeitive games, i lower all the settings down to get max fps. I want the least input lag. Also want to stream and do other rendering stuff.

>>60264080
> I am trying to building a rig for compeitive games, i lower all the settings down to get max fps.

you probably want a 7700k then. it generally gets 10 more fps in games than the ryzen

>>60263748
Yes, but the ECC support isn't official so it won't work the same way
Normally, when you have ECC memory, any single-bit error is detected, logged then corrected. Ryzen fixes the error fine, but doesn't log it (though it is always possible for the OS to log it on it's own).

Also, when a two bit "catastrophic" error is detected, normal ecc setups will log it then instantly shut down the whole computer (because it can't fix said error). Well for Ryzen motherboards, it doesn't log it either nor does it shut down.

I suggest you read this
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/75030-ecc-memory-amds-ryzen-deep-dive.html

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>>60264080
Just get a 1600 and RX570.
RX570 on low is going to be 144fps minimum in those competitive shooters.

>>60264135
Anon said
>least input lag
and 7700k has 1ms higher input lag. Ryzen gets 144+ on all those competitive shooters anyway.

>>60264135
>you probably want a 7700k then
No, he said
>Also want to stream and do other rendering stuff.
The 7700k will fall very short on this.
The R7 1700 is a good choice. Overclocking to have the highest possible FPS would be wiser though.

>>60264016
specky image?

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>>60264080
>mobo
ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS
>case
Enthoo Evolv mATX
>power supply
~500W seasonic

you should consider gtx1070 if budget, gap is pretty significant

>>60264135
he also is saying streaming and rendering
but I started to write same thing then re-readed his post

>>60264173
Oh I missed the bit about streaming. Yeah 1700 over 1600 then.

>>60264200
oh fuck I am retarded the case needs to be ATX for that mobo, not mATX

for ryzen builds when should i buy a liquid cooler over a stock cooler and when should i buy a x370 board over a b350 board. thanks in advance

>>60264228
>when should i buy a liquid cooler over a stock cooler
never, get the noctua fan

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Any idea why this might be happening?

>>60264228
ryzen does not OC well, and all in one liquid cooling is meh
get rather solid quiet classical cooler, like CRYORIG H7
no pump noise, no possible leakage, no pump braking sooner or later, just chunk of metal with a fan that can be replaced when needed

as for mobo, there really is no reason to get x370 unless you need lot of sata, usb, pcie lanes

>>60264267
>pcie lanes
x370 have more pcie lanes?

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>>60264279
I believe I read so.. yes

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>replacing old PSU with new modular one
>this weird ass cable was sticking out
>comes from PSU but connects to front panel
Wtf fo I do? Do I just cut it?Do I have to pull the whole front panel thing out and put it back in with the new one?

>>60264233
>>60264267
okay then when should i get a aftermarket fan cooler over the stock cooler...

and i heard that x370 boards overclock better is the difference too little to justify the buy?

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>>60264297
It looks ghetto as fuck

>>60264307
>i heard that x370 boards overclock
maybe 25-50MHz better. And some of them suck and are worse than a good B350.

>>60264228
I bought a 1700x the other week, put a Noctua NH-D15 on it. I barely hear it running under load and temps never go above 60 degrees celsius. Usually around 40-50 degrees.

From what I've gathered, liquid coolers are useless unless you're going for a super heavy OC, something that the R7 line at least can't do. Dunno about the other Ryzen CPUs, but air cooling is more reliable, and quieter, if you value that type of thing.

Although I did see a picture of the NZXT Kraken X62 and almost returned my Noctua because of how good the NZXT looked. But I don't have a window in my case, so what's the point really.

If you have a case that has enough space for a proper heatsink and cooler, go with that.

>>60264307
>and i heard that x370 boards overclock better is the difference too little to justify the buy?
you heard wrong
at least there are no actual articles where people are reachong 4.2 on x370 or whatever.

>>60263402
for me its runs 70% at 1080p30 using obs

and 50% at 1080p60 using relive

6700k at 4.3

>>60263402
>t. i stream at superfast

>>60264193
download speccy (https://www.piriform.com/speccy) and post a screenshot of the main screen. chances are canyourunit site is just retarded and doesn't detect your gpu properly.

>>60264249
try changing your download server. i used to have similar problems and it worked after changing server to US (and i'm in europe).

>>60264296
i'm not seeing any more pcie lane in there
you must be mistaken

>>60264451
You're blind

>>60264451
open eyes 8 vs 6

>>60264307
spend money on high frequency ddr4 3200 ideally
that gives quite a boost to ryzen

>>60264479
>ram frequency
i know its good advice but it doesn't really answer my question. i was gonna get high frequency ram anyways

>>60263402
>>60263495
Your stream must look like absolute dogshit or you're encoding at such a high bitrate that potato internet users can't watch without buffering. Or you're using a GPU hardware encoder (shit for low bitrates) and you don't even know it.

Get back to me when you can run a decent looking x264 stream at 2500kbps for 720p/60fps. Hinto: you need to be running at least the medium present, preferably slower.

t. 5820k owner.

>>60264310

If memory serves that is a molex adapter.

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>>60264349

Silver arrow IB-E (not the extreme one).

Is the 1070 really a poor choice for $350-400? My 680 is getting really old and showing signs of age after serving me well for 4 years. Newegg is selling a MSI 1070 for 360 and I have that much in cash on hand. I'm tired of waiting, otherwise I would go for Vega.

I have a 1080/144hz monitor and I'm planning in acquiring a 3440x1440 monitor sometime this summer

>>60264545
Vega has the added benefit of FreeSync/FreeSync2 monitors. Other than that, AMD was very quiet about smaller Vega.

>>60264297
>>60264310
>Do I cut it?
What, no? Just disconnect it, what the fuck. It's a molex based connector probably used to power the front panel LEDs/fans or something.

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WTF is going on here?

>>60264556
I've heard next to nothing about Freesync 2, what's the change? And are there still problems with Ryzen + Nvidia? I would like to upgrade to a 1700x for streaming but if there are still comparability issues I guess I'll hold out for Vega

Does anyone ever buy pre-builds? Is there anyway for it to be equivalent in price compared to custom made PCs?

>>60264607
>Is there anyway for it to be equivalent in price compared to custom made PCs?
no

>>60264596
NVidia is the way to go. Ryzen performs better with NVIDIA and the drivers for them are better than AMD.

>>60264596

>what's the change?

Effectively HDR support and a few other things, but HDR is the big one.

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>>60264619

Nyet.

>>60264641
Da. Buy NVIDIA, stupid goy.

>>60264545
>I'm planning in acquiring a 3440x1440 monitor sometime this summer
Absolutely disgusting. Widescreen support is dogshit, consider a 2 monitor setup in the future if you want more workspace.

Anyway, the 1070 will be decent enough for 1080/144 for a while if you insist on cranking the settings. The reason why the 1070 is regarded as a poor value at this point is because the cheaper cards can typically achieve 144 fps (in games that realistically allow it, assuming no CPU bottleneck) by just tweaking a few settings, and let's face it, at 1080p (and I'm assuming 24" monitor) we're talking about some seriously diminishing returns on whether or not you could even detect a difference between what a 1070 delivers vs what a 580/1060 delivers, and those are almost half the price.

>>60264619
WEW LAD. No.

>>60264566
don't worry anon it's just botnet sending your data to the mothership :^)

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>>60264607
Only at the extreme low end. Like you can pick up a $299 shitbox Dell office PC on a sale that might cost you $330 to put together with comparable OEM parts. At the high end this never happens.

>>60264607
It's about $100-300 on top of the parts to build it.

>buy ram from the QVL list (Asus)
>max 2400Mhz instead of 2666
What's the point?

>>60264662
>the cheaper cards can typically achieve 144 fps

What's with this 144fps meme going around? Why that number? Why not 120? Or 100?

>>60264662
>>60264641
>>60264625
Alrighty, thanks guys. Still not 100% sure what to do,might get a 580 as a side grade and then go for big Vega/1080 Ti when I have more cash.

In terms of the Ryzen 7 is there any point to getting a 1700x vs a 1700 or 1800x? Seems like the 1700x is in a weird spot but I've seen prices for it as low as 300

>>60264740
to take the full advantage of 144hz monitors i guess

When does vega come out and what is the lowest price for vega going to be?

>>60264783
we don't know exactly
we don't know

>>60264783
Probably June and $350-400 for small one.

>>60264783
June at the latest
Probably $350-ish for the low end vega, upward of $600 for flagship

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>>60264753
Can someone explain why this is happening please? It worked fine under Windows 7 but now on Windows 10 my connection is utter shit. I'm using a wired connection plugged directly into the router.

Any idea for solutions?

>>60264753

The 1700x is just chips that are too leaky to be a 1700 but can't clock high enough to pass validation as a 1800x.

I'm planning on buying a PC towards the end of this year during Cyber Monday to save money.

Probably go with

>i5
>16GB RAM
>GTX 1060/1050Ti (not sure yet)
>Mini ATX tower & motherboard
>1440p monitor

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Should the 580 go there or just below the 280x?

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>>60264833

>1050ti
>1440p screen

>>60263085

Could you suggest a different CPU cooler?

>>60264833
Which i5 are you looking at? Does it need to be 7th gen? Also consider that ever CPU since 6th gen has been 1151 so make sure your mobo can support both 1151 and 1150 sockets if you plan on getting on from the 4th gen.

>>60264853
What specs are needed for smooth 1440p gaming?

>>60264833
>i5
>novideo pre-1070
Oh no. You dont.

>>60264868
A 1060 could probably get playable frame rates. A 1070 would be preferable for high/ultra settings.

>>60264865
Thinking about an i5-7500

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STOP BUYING DUAL CORES

>>60264913
Get a 7600k. It's actually faster than the 7700k when it comes to quad core usage by about 2%. But obviously it gets shit on when it's mixed core.

>>60264839
Will it be bad to put it so close to the PSU?

>>60264946
Then he should get fucking R5.

>>60264946
I would have thought a 7700k would better hence the number is larger than 7600k.

>>60264908
580 would be a better option than a 1060, unless the screen is G-Sync.

>>60264913
If you go 7XXX just grab a 7600k. /g/ likes to meme that it stutters or some shit but I havent experienced it.

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>>60264946
???
Its exactly the same but without HT and a slower base clock
Only reason 7700k is good is the insane factory clock they run it at

AMD 1600 is the way to go these days stock air cooler running at 3.9ghz is a much nicer chip than the i5 or i7. The extra cores will be better in the long run as programs and games are finally making use of muh coars now

>>60264997
Agreed

>>60264933

Makes me wish Noctua would make a special copper version of the D15 - nothing would oppose it.

>>60264980
The 7700k's short coming is the heat it outputs due to hyperthreading. The 7600k is essentially a 7700k without hyperthreading, and most games only utilize quad cores anyways. The 7600k can overclock much higher due to not having hyperthreading with less heat. So if you're only gaming, the 7600k is a better choice.

>>60264946
Don't listen to this, this is utter bullshit
Any i5 is shit, and an i7 always outperforms i5s.
Either go 7700k or go Ryzen.

>>60265004
>/g/ likes to meme that it stutters or some shit but I havent experienced it.
Stop recommending shit CPUs.
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
Look at this enormously high cpu usage, getting to 100% at times. The 7600k is a shit choice. The reason /g/ says it's a shit CPu is because the R5 1600 exists, perform better, at lower usage, heats less, and cost less. It also comes with a cooler.

can you do a decent overclock on the r5 1400 with the stock cooler?

Why the fuck do manufacturers think that RGB is a selling point for Motherboards. My computer isn't a fucking disco REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60265067
>nothing would oppose it.
It'll bend 7700k's in mere seconds.

what rx 580 brand is better, gigabyte 8gb or MSI Armor OC 8gb?

>>60264740
Because manufacturers went full autism with 3D which was 72hz*2. That failed, but then they had 144hz tech to sell to gaymers instead.

>>60264946
Haha nice job trying to troll him into wasting his money.

>>60265095
Not really. Maybe 3.8. Not enough for 4 cores and the lower cache.
Okayish for the money, especially if you get one on sale for cheap, but meh.

>>60265115
neither

>>60265069
>The 7700k's short coming is the heat it outputs due to hyperthreading.
Holy shit what the fuck are you saying
The 7700k heats so much because intel is too jewish to solder, too jewish to put a decent TIM, and it's clocked way too high (4.2 to 4.5GHz with most mobo forcing it to stay at 4.5GHz because muh performance profile)

>>60265115
Get Nitro+ or ANUS one, both fixed their shitty coolers.

>>60265115
Just get the cheaper one.

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>>60264800
>>60264815
June 23rd

RX Vega will be $299
RX Vega Maxx will be $389

They will not be called RX 590 ect

>>60265069
>due to hyperthreading
No, it's because Intel is too cheap to solder the IHS to the CPU. Also because Intel probably ratcheted up the clocks to compete with Ryzen.

>>60265131
Also, Hyperthreading has higher performance gain than just cranking the clock up like a retard (are we doing the GHz war again?)

>>60265143
stfu liar

>>60265150
>(are we doing the GHz war again?)
You fucking bet, it's presshot all over again.

>>60265143
>$389 for flagship
If they weren't using HBM2 I might believe you. That shit's too expensive for those prices.

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>>60265084

>>60265069
I'm guessing Intel does this with every generation of i7? What about i5?

Looking for some basic advice:
>PURPOSE
3D modeling, (autocad, sketchup, rhino, revit, 3dsmax etc). A/V editing (sony vegas etc).
Not really planning on playing modern games. but am interested in a home theater setup kind of thing.

Currently using a laptop, i7 6000 series, 16gb ram, SSD + HDD, geforce 960m

>>60262171
What cooler should I get? Hyper 212X or H7?

>>60265084
I'm not saying the 1600 is trash senpai, I'm just saying that if he wants an i5 get the unlocked one, its strictly better, and not shit by any means either.

also I understand the point of the video is to prove that the 1600 is a viable competitor, and it is, but the i5 still pushes out frames and is also smooth as fuck during gameplay. It's a fine choice in my opinion.

>>60265183
You'll get a slightly higher average frame rate with the Intel processor but you will see more frame rate dips and stuttering. Haswell was the last architecture from Intel worth upgrading to, and I'll be keeping my 4690k until later this year, or I might wait until Zen+.

>>60265200
Ryzen 7 + mobo of your choice.

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>>60265183
>using this website as a benchmark
It focuses way too much on per core speed. Everything these days is multi thread. If its not its old and will run on a toaster anyway

>>60265102

This is why backplates exist.

>>60265131

>because intel is too jewish to solder, too jewish to put a decent TIM

Stop talling about things you don't understand. Intel don't solder their consumer chips because they are fucking tiny - the thermal cycling will render the solder ineffective. Ryzxen (along with Intel's HEDT chips) are significantly bigger which makes soldering viable.

Equally it isn't the shitty TIM that is causing problems, its the glue used to secure the IHS down. It is fitted well at production time but as it cools it expands which lifts the IHS up a fraction which dramatically impacts how effective the TIM can be.

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>>60265183
>wow, look at this chart! of course the 7600k is the better choice
Nice response to my 3 videos showing the 7600 reaching constantly 85+% usage in every single AAA games in the past 3 years
I guess the R5 1600 that constantly stays at 45 - 60% usage because of 6 cores is shit now!

Thank you for enlightening me!

>>60265143
*RX Vega $350
*Rx Vega Maxx $589

>>60265231
Doesn't matter if it's hitting 100% when you get 10 more fps on average. The 1600 isn't even fully utilizing all its cores which is why it has a lower usage.

>>60265231
Only two of those games are the 7600 though, but the 6600 and 7600 are pretty similar so that's sorta fair.

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>>60265175
>>60265152
AMD has changed focus in the past year or so from trying to compete with the top line nvidia cards to selling great priced to performance cards.
HMB had issues early on in manufacturing but they have since sorted it over the past year.

Expect the cut down vega to perform slightly faster than the 1070. The full card will be slightly slower than the 1080 ti but at a huge price cut.

>>60265209
>It's a fine choice in my opinion.
A CPU that reaches 90% plus usage every few seconds on a benchmark setup (read: the least possible number of things running in the background) is not a good choice, at all.

>i5 still pushes out frames
I understand that there's a narrative that has been going on since the R7 releases that Intel manages to push out more frames for the same price, but the only reason this exists is because of R7 1700 vs 7700k comparisons.
Please do watch the video and do watch the framerates of both CPU. The R5 1600 push out more frames per second almost constantly.

>>60265272
>when you get 10 more fps on average.
Please do watch the videos too.
>The 1600 isn't even fully utilizing all its cores which is why it has a lower usage.
Yes. No idea if you were implying it, but this isn't in any way a bad thing. It is a very good thing to have more headroom left.

>>60265175
>hbm is expensive meme
>AGAIN
Oh ffs it's as expensive as any decent GDDR5 setup. It's ONLY two stacks.

>>60265309
You could get a 6950x and only have 30% usage. Doesn't mean anything will utilize the remaining 70% of the cores in the next 5 years.

is an 1700 considered a high end CPU like the 7700k is?

>>60265309
>Please do watch the video and do watch the framerates of both CPU. The R5 1600 push out more frames per second almost constantly.
I've done frametimes on my setup (7600k and R9 290) and my frametimes aren't nearly as bad as people say, mostly pretty great. Witcher 3 is the only one that has issues, and thats because I was running it ultra and the 290 can't really do that as well.

>>60265344
I don't get your point.
The 7600k and R5 1600 are similarly priced. In fact, the 1600 costs less because it doesn't need a cooler.
The R5 1600 pushes out more frame on average than the 7600k (stock), and at lower CPU usage. It has much more headroom left.
How does that make the 7600k more appealing?

>>60265344
Wrong
Programs are becoming much more threaded recently
DX12 titles use the CPU a lot more than older APIs could

More cores these days is better
If you are upgrading off a sandy bridge or new quad core there is no reason at all to buy a new quad core. Gains will be very small if your current chip is OCed

>>60265367
I'm not saying the 7600k is bad at at frametimes though, because it isn't

>>60265360
Yes, but for different usages.

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>>60265150
Yep. A stock 7700 non-k is faster than a 5GHz overclocked 7600k in gayming on average.

>>60265183
>cpubenchmark.cum or something gay like that
If you're too stupid to not understand that's a dumb shill site, with no actual benchmarks, you're too stupid to live and should kill yourself.

>>60265371
The point is, anyone getting a K processor isn't going to leave it stock. Most people can OC it to 4.8 on average and 5.0 with a decent cooler. That's where you see the difference.

My friend spent +1500~ euros on a computer.
He bought a i5-6xxx, nvidia 1070, samsung evo 250GB and 16GB of ram. (I don't remember specifically the other components).
Is it reasonable? He is temporary working in a pc repair shop as an administrative worker and I feel like they may have tried to scam him.

>>60265183
>Workstation 58%
lmao

>>60265360
7700k is not high end its more midrange
Quad core with HT

Highend is going to be 6+ cores from intel
1700 is a high end chip with 8 cores 16 threads dont buy a 1700 unless you plan on OCing it

>>60265416
>PC repair shop
literally the McDonald's of tech

Is this laptop dell Inspiron 15 7000 good enough for some autocad 2d/3d and using various ide for plc programming?

>>60265211
>You'll get a slightly higher average frame rate with the Intel processor
No you won't. >>60265392
60% lower FPS isn't "slightly higher".
i5s are all garbage and should cost half what they cost.

>>60265416
No, that's like almost double what it should cost.

>>60265299
AMD aren't releasing a $300 GPU in 6 weeks with double the performance of their $250 GPU that came out 2 weeks ago. You're retarded.

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Just want a future proof gaming machine. And recommendation?

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>>60265416
No that is like 2,000 USD or so right?

This is a pre built that is just about as good for less than a grand USD
>>60265414
OCed 7600k vs OCed 1600 the 1600 is still a better chip with 12 threads of compute vs 4
i5 is no longer the king for anything really

The cooler and mobo you need for the i5 is going to add $120 to the build just to compete with the 1600 which is already cheaper than the i5 chip itself

There is no reason to buy an i5 anymore whatsoever

>>60265457
$250?

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=GA-RX58GA4&c=CJ

>>60265488
It's a good build but
>1070
>Ryzen
Not exactly "future proof"

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LpGVXH

>>60265488
no reason to get samsung ssd meme. you can get twice more space for a little more (su800 512gb)

>>60265549
please ignore this. This was meant for >>60265416

Your friend got scammed. I assembled a build that was much cheaper and still performs better than what your friend got.
I didn't even bother to actually think about the parts, i just slapped anything that came to mind.

>>60265488
> 1070
> ryzen

you're living in the past

>>60265488
>future proof
Its a meme

Overall not bad but is that really the price of the 1070 in europoor land?
1070 in US is like 330 now

>>60265488
>960 NVMe
You don't know what you're doing

>>60265440
>>60265457
>>60265510
>>60265570
Well fuck I told him several times to research online or ask in some forum instead of going to a shop and he just told me he started working there a few days ago and bought the pc the other day because the shop was giving him a big discount.

>>60263673
The difference is down to overall quality. Both in terms of the quality of components used and their cooling solution.
Note that higher price does not always mean higher quality.

>>60265414
>That's where you see the difference.
In temperatures.
You can't just keep cranking the clock up like that and call it a day. Why does it even need to be clocked at 5GHz to be viable? The temperatures will be absolutely atrocious at that level (shitty TIM, not soldered... hello delidding), so will the voltage. This is everything but viable for chip longevity, but also performance. Do you think you can just crank the clock up and the 90% usage problem will suddently go away? It certainly won't. And if it needs to be clocked so high to be viable today, how much will it need to be clocked to be viable in the years to come?
The R5 1600 is viable even at stock clocks, it doesn't need to be overclocked and it won't ever for it's whole life span, because it has 6 cores and twelve threads.
You also conveniently forget that the R5 1600(x) can also be overclocked. Get a good cooler, overclock it to 4.0 - 4.1GHz, and it will be much more viable than an 7600k at 5GHz. Most likely both on framerate, but also on temperatures.

The 7600k is just not a viable CPU whether it is for regular gaming, mixed usage. The only place where it could actually be good would be emulation of newer gaming systems, but i can't see much more usage.

>>60265628
Call him an idiot and send him the pcpartpicker link i sent you earlier.

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>>60265183
>unironically linking this piece of garbage site on /pcbg/

Holy shit I don't even need to read the other replies to know how BTFO this guy is right now.

>>60265626
Any advice?

>>60265551
Are PCI-e not faster tho?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KK33XH about to go with this for my first build.
any thoughts?

Is it time to upgrade from my 8350?

Okay someone explain this shit to me because I'm at a loss.
My old non-modular PSU has a Molex (x3) with two wires poking out of the first one, which connected directly to two pins in the front panel. My new modular PSU has a Molex (x3) but I guess I have to mod it? Or maybe I just need an entirely new cable?

>>60265595
>europoor
>even though the UK is leaving the EU
rmyt

>>60265750
Do you feel the need to upgrade?

>>60265746
The R5 1400 is generally not recommended because it has much less cache than an R5 1500x and is clocked lower, making it perform noticeably less
It won't be a bottleneck for that RX 570 still, but it would be wiser for futureproofing purposes to up that to an R5 1500x or even better, an R5 1600.
The build does look good otherwise. Do you have spare hard drives to use though? 128GB is very very small. You should add a 1TB hard drive in there because otherwise you won't be able to play much games.

>>60265746
pretty solid poorfag build I guess.
But if you're that destitute to chose those parts, you should be looking for sales.
There's case options like the Rosewill SRM-01 that's only $20.
You can sometimes get a full/semi modular PSU for $30-$40. $37 for wireless is ridiculous. You can sometimes catch the 1400 on sale for like $150.

And $56 for a 128GB SSD when you can often find 250GB+ for like $75.. That $/GB is awful.
You also need to get dual channel RAM. 2x4GB.

Pleb here. I'm trying to understand graphics cards, and how to get the cheapest one for my probable usage. If I'm running something about as demanding as Skyrim modded a lot for better gameplay not making a waifu simulator so no enbs, what's the minimum I need? 2gb 900mhz good enough? Also, does brand really matter? Idk if I can afford anything by Amd or nVidia. Will any of the other brands on pcpartpicker with the same numbers do the same job? Essentially what are you forking over the extra shekels for for Amd of Nvidya?

Also a question about RAM, which is better, 1 with 8gb 228dim and a latency of 17, or 2x4gb 228dim with latency of 16? I'm having trouble understanding latency. I was going to go with 8gb rather than 2x4gb just because the motherboard I'm looking at has 2 slots for RAM so if I ever wanted more I could still add it, though idk if I'll ever need more than 8gb.

>>60265802
mhz is irrelevant.
You didn't give a budget.
Your post is just a bunch of useless rambling.

You can run Skyrim on a fucking $20 A4-7300. You have as much VRAM for mods as you have RAM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wN-WgvcN4

>>60265802
>2gb 900mhz good enough
Comparing specs without having a lot of technical knowledges to back it up is not a good idea
The vast majority of people here know how X card will perform in Y game with Z resolution, but none of us compare specs to determine if one card is better than the other because cards with identical specs can have vastly different performances.

>Also, does brand really matter
For the average user it doesn't. Different brands offer different technologies supports, specs, perform diffently in scenarios.
But for gaming it doesn't matter.

>1 with 8gb 228dim and a latency of 17, or 2x4gb 228dim with latency of 16
The lowest the latency is the better. The higher the frequency (MHz) is the better too.
Two sticks is superior to one sticks because your computer gives you twice the memory bandwidth when there are two or more RAM sticks. It's not that important though.

Is Windows 10 sluggish? I have the full Ryzen set up and a Radeon RX650 but it's running like it's under heavy load constantly. It keeps hanging for a second when I click on the tool bar programs.

I'm trying to figure out if something is wrong with my build or if windows 10 is just this awful

>>60265734
you won't notice a difference. unless you'd rather have your pc boot 0,5s faster than twice the capacity.

>>60265861
Nope. Win10 is generally quite fast.
It could be upgrading in the background, but that shouldn't slow it down. I have no problem downloading and installing at 6MB/s with my 1600X while doing a dozen other things in Linux, but Win10 shouldn't be slow.

>>60265883
I've updated everything already. Well fuck. Maybe I haven't got something plugged in completely or something.

>>60265861
Post cpu usage
and give specs

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QxgqJV

Will this run Witchers 3 or heavily moded skyrim at 60 fps 1080p ?

>>60265904
That should be sufficient for ultra settings. But you might want to consider using 2x4gb ram sticks if you aren't going to add more ram in the future.

>>60265904
>Witchers 3
Probably.
>heavily moded skyrim
Probably no, mostly because gamebryo a shit.

>>60265904
For witcher 3 you'll have to force x16 or x8 tesselation in amd settings, because the game forces x64 tesselation and there's no way to change it from the game. Back when it released, even GTX 980s couldn't play it a 1080p 60 fps max settings, which was complete bullshit

>>60265574
>>60265545
why are people saying ryzen isn't future proof?

>>60265958
Shitposters. Don't listen to them.
CPUs nearing 90% usage in games (any i5) or 70%+ (any 4 cores i7) are everything but futureproof compared to a 6cores 12 threads R5 1600 that is at 50%~ usage.

>Anything other than Pentium for games

Be real with yourself you aren't a fucking video editor or media creator. You're going to play games and browse the internet and that's it.

>>60265982
>dips below 30FPS at any given moment
I'll pass.

>>60265982
enjoy your stutter fest and massive drops in fps

>>60265901
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64-bit
CPU
AMD K17
Summit Ridge 14nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB
Motherboard
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. PRIME B350-PLUS (AM4)
Graphics
BenQ RL2455 (1920x1080@59Hz)
26_LCD_TV (1920x1080@29Hz)
8192MB ATI Radeon RX 580 Series (Unknown) 50 °C
Storage
1863GB Seagate ST2000LX001-1RG174 (SATA) 34 °C
931GB Seagate Desktop USB Device (USB (SATA)) 34 °C
3GB Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device (USB)

I can't get to a way to show load, my tool bar just crashed.. Could it be the HD not installed properly?

>>60265995
>>60265997
Can you cite a credible source for these claims?

>>60265998
Possibly the main hard drive dying, not really sure.
Use msi afterburner to show cpu usage

>>60265904
$200 for a RX570 ??
Get the Red Devil.

Anyway for Witcher 3 on max settings, it's going to be pretty on the edge for 60fps. Heavily modded, you'll obviously drop a bit.
But if you inject SMAA, and drop tesselation, yeah it'll be fine.

>>60265998
It could be waiting for disk causing hiccups. Especially if it's on the USB one.

>>60265998
>seagate
banic

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>>60266006
It's common knowledge. You're just too dumb to have common knowledge.

>>60262708
isn't it like next year?

>>60265214
thanks man

>>60266066
June 31 at worst
of this year

>>60265998
Get something like process hacker or resource monitor.
Check disk and see if something appears to be stalling and constantly using disk there. Close out what's using disk and see if it's still sluggish.
Also see how fast it runs something that's not disk dependent like prime95.

>>60266066
No. It's Navi and Volta that are next year.

Have $800 to build a PC and already have the hard drives.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cMmjc

How is this?

>>60265844
I played Skyrim well enough apart from lagwhenever there were multiple mages using concentration spells or ice storm on an old laptop up until recently when it broke, so I figured the official min and recommended full specs were an over estimate. Sorry though. Should have posted (unfinished) build link and said my budget is max £400 including everything even the monitor, but if I could halve that of course the cheaper the better.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/q7CgxY
>>60265849
May be a stupid question but I meant because it's 2 sticks isit as if the latency was 32 compared to the 1 stick with 17?

>>60266097
Navi is so late into 2018 it's basically 2019.

>>60266100
>May be a stupid question but I meant because it's 2 sticks isit as if the latency was 32 compared to the 1 stick with 17?
No, latency doesn't add up

>>60266099
Looks good to me

>>60266019
Windows is on a hybrid drive, it was doing this before I plugged in my external.

It's taking forever to install msi afterburner but I'm doing it.

>>60266153
>It's taking forever to install msi afterburner
Literally what. Bro, something is seriously fucked up with your setup if afterburner takes more than 10 seconds to install on your PC.

>>60266100
Ya you could run Skyrim off the iGPU of that on like medium 1080p, even heavily modded, I'm fairly certain.
But get dual channel memory. Maybe an SSD, too.

>>60266112
Yeah, probably q4 2018. And q2 for Volta, probably.
Hard to tell, though.
Most of the tech for Navi is already made with Vega. The new cache/memory controllers, instruction decoders, new wider registrars, the virtualization and increased address space, improved tile rasterization and primitive discarding.
For Navi? All they have to do is potentially optimize for a new node process and apply their infinity fabric to the GPU.

>>60266153
Ya, it sounds like the HDD is fucked. Hybrids were notorious for that.

can anyone recommend a good cheap wireless adapter?

>>60266174
Hence why I'm in the thread.

>>60266192
I'll check the connections after afterburners installed and if it's fucked I'll have to replace it. Why are they notorious for it?

>>60266192
I though Navi was supposed to bring advanced packaging methods (aka MCMing) to GPUs?

>>60266192
Thanks. Even better if I don't need a gpu. And I will switch to the similar priced 2x4gb as you and the other poster suggest.

>>60266216
Different guy, but yeah that's what Navi is supposed to be all about. Vega is an architecture designed to address the weaknesses of GCN (and simultaneously deal with some of Nvidia's bullshit). Navi is the next step in which AMD uses some of the lessons they learned with Ryzen to allow for true multicore GPUs, this is what he meant by applying infinity fabric to the GPU. The idea behind Navi is scalability with one unified architecture, similar to what they've accomplished with the AM4 platform.

>>60266314
>Actual as an actual MCMed GPUs where every problem can be solved by throwing more hardware because yields are always okay
NIIIIIIIIICE, do it King Pajeet.

>>60266216
I said that
>apply their infinity fabric to the GPU

At least that is what is assumed it will bring. Vega has pretty much every other feature you can imagine, but it's a huge costly die.
Navi is just that next little step after the mountain of shit Vega does to reduce costs and allow for larger effective dies.

Also it appears that Vega GPUs can already communicate peer2peer without going through the CPU, directly over PCIe, and can share VRAM.

>>60266294
See how it runs with just the iGPU. If you aren't satisfied with the framerate or quality settings, you can get an RX560 which should be coming in a few days. Or a 1050Ti if you see one on sale around $100.

>>60266314

I'll believe it when I see it for navi. MCM for a gpu is essentially the holy grail as long as your fabric can keep up because bandwidth (and latency) between core complexes is make or break for such a design for a gpu.

Does high speed ram actually work on Ryzen now or are the BIOS still beta-tier?

>>60266349
B-die sticks werk already and 1.0.0.6 AGESA is soon™.

>>60262171
msi 1080 seahawk?

I have R9 390 by MSI. Not the performance I want. I have a 1080p monitor that I want to make a move to 1440p for main monitor soon. I want the card before changing monitors.

Is Ryzen actually good or is this another case of the Bulldozer days? We all know what happened to that processor.

>>60266348
Nvidia is working on the same thing and has made baby steps with NvLink. But it doesn't appear it'll be here for Volta.

>>60266381
Depends on what you're doing. If you want to play games, get a 7700k. If you want to do anything else, get a ryzen.

>>60266381
>Is Ryzen actually good or is this another case of the Bulldozer days?
It IS good, fucking hell you can't google shit? At least read Agner or something.
>>60266383
NVLINK is meme-tier for now, and IF actually werks in Ryzen.

>>60266338
The entire idea behind AMD even trying something like this is to maximize yields so I'm not really sure where you're coming from. They just can't afford to keep up with Nvidia's massive dies.

>>60266348
True. I feel the same way. It's one thing to draw it up on paper and a completely different thing to execute it.

>>60266398
>Ryzen can't play games
Top fucking kek, please leave this thread.

>>60266429
7700k still delivers higher average frame rates.

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>>60266402
Ya. That's why I said baby steps. Whereas infinity fabric is the real deal.

And IF was made to be generic in such a way that it can work for anything, not just a CPU.

>>60266381
Ryzen is objectively better just like how Athlon Tbird was objectively better than Pentium4.
Some software using Intel's compiler holds it back, but even then it's still extremely good.
Only 10% worse in single threaded (sometimes better) but 50-100% better in multithreaded.

Bulldozer was shit. I got an i5-2500k instead.

>>60266360
>B-die sticks
Explain further

>>60266465
Sticks with samsung B-die chips. Most 3200@CL14 sticks, for example.

>>60266438
Averages are irrelevant. Minimums, smoothness, and being able to have steam updating games in the background and shit without tanking your framerate are all more important.

Even if you literally use your PC as a game console and do nothing else on it, a 1600X is still better than a 7700k for the smoothnes.
But if someone really wants to spend more money for something worse, yeah the 7700k certainly isn't bad.

>>60266429
The 7700k gets higher frames than the Ryzen. Thanks for playing

>>60266192
>>60266174
The HD cable with the metal part on the top was loose and it's running a bit better now I pushed it in better. If it supposed to click or something? Checking before I close the case

>>60266438
They also run at nearly 100% full load when paired with a powerful GPU on top of being a housefire, so as soon as the next generation of graphics cards rolls out in a few months/year (Vega/Volta) the 7700k will likely be a bottleneck. Also it's a dead socket. There is nothing else you can do with a Z270 motherboard other than throw it in the trash once the 7700k isn't getting the job done.

Quad cores (even with hyperthreading) are not a great buy in 2017. At least the 1500x/1400 are much cheaper and on a platform that will be around for another 5 years or so (just look how long AM3 has lasted, and that was for a meme architecture).

>>60266506
That would have zero effect on how fast it runs. It's either plugged in or it's not. Can you reformat and reinstall windows onto a different drive? That would rule that out.

>>60266522
Please e-mail a screenshot of your post to [email protected] to collect your shickles

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>>60266174

>>60266553
tard >>60262899

>>60266554
use the scrollbar to the right

>>60266554
>>60266571
Better yet double click on the graph and make it larger so you can see some other measurements. (CPU usage, CPU temperature etc). The GPU looks normal so far.

>>60266553
>ad hominem
B A S E D

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>>60266571
>>60266587

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Changed from AMD to Intel

Sold my MSI motherboard - £80

Fax 4300 - £40

8GB DDR3 1666MHZ Ram - £20

Bought from Amazon just now

MSI B250m Bazooka motherboard - £56 (20% Amazon Warehouse Discount)

G4560 - £47 (20% Amazon Warehouse Discount)

2x4GB DDR4 2400mhz Ram - £40 (originally £60 buy £20 off code)

Pic related, yes I had to buy a pack of chocolate with my ram to get a £20 discount.

For only a couple pound more I have a better upgraded rig, never going back to AMD.

With Intel being the most popular it's so much easier to get a better cheaper deal, more forums taking about Intel mobos and CPUs, and the cheapest Intel CPU is better than the whole FX line up, I would have to spend £300 minimum to get similar over with AMD and Ryzen.

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>>60266610

>>60266623
>>60266610
Was this idling on desktop?

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>>60266623
>>60266630
I have steam open, pale moon with like 10 tabs and the Radeon graphics settings program.

>>60266613
Solid build.
Shit whiny rant.

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>>60266613
>N-nice PC anon! Must be nice for browsing the web and writing e-mails!

How long until GPUs replace the CPU?

These new GPUs are so fucking massive that they're like putting a miniature PC inside your PC.

It seems like graphics cards have nearly everything they need onboard to just be a PC itself.

>>60266688
gpus do everything in parallel

cpus do... pretty much nothing in parlalel

this'll never happen

If I buy a Samsung Evo SSD, do I need anythin special to connect it to a Fractal Design R5?

I knwo there are brackets you can buy. Is the only thing I need a SATA cable to connect the SSD? Or do I actually need to buy brackets?

>>60262171
P5K-VM
8GB RAM DDR2-6400
R7 260X 2GB OC edition
Xeon E5450 paid 45$


Any Xeon about 100$ better than many i7 that are recent? Project Cars barely takes 60% of my cores

>>60266680

Don't laugh at my gaming rig!

>>60266642
That CPU & GPU usage are absurdly high. You might have a mix of bitcoin miner and dirty shit using your cpu in your PC.
Reboot, close everything but after burner, and check if it's doing it again.
Both my GPU & CPU usage are much, much lower than you, even though i have a load of programs open (chrome 12 tabs, winamp, audacity, hexchat, teamspeak, qbittorrent, league of legends client, voice synthetizer & afterburner)

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>>60266741

>>60266725
A 22nm 4c/8t Xeon. I think they're around $115, yeah.

>>60266642
You did a fresh install, right?

>>60266720
anyone?

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>>60266752
idle

>>60266874
The OS is a fresh install yes. The external is from my old PC.

>>60266935
One thing I forgot to mention. The text is formatted on my screen like I'm using default drivers but I updated my drivers. No idea why

>>60266935
Is it still running like it's under heavy load now?

>>60266990
No, it's not super fast as I expect a new build to be but it's usable. no more hanging except in the Radeon graphics program which is picky

>>60267005
keep monitoring cpu & gpu usage if it starts being slow as balls again
it's weird that you don't find it fast because it really should be.

>>60266990
I stand corrected, the tool bar is still really picky and is hanging and almost crashing.

>>60267041
I don't know what could be wrong, it's my first build and I'm trying to make sense of it.

>>60267052
i'd recommend doing a new windows install, using another iso.

>>60266935
Did you say it started being slow after plugging the external in? Maybe there was malware on it that infected the main system.

>>60267138
It's from an official USB stick but I can do a fresh install tomorrow. I uninstalled a theme which seems to have helped but when I tried shovel knight it would freeze every so often

>>60267173
No, before then.

>>60266613
good goy

>>60267198
The only way to know for sure what's causing the issue is to use another drive (preferably an SSD) and reformat. If the problem persists, then I'd suspect something is seriously wrong with how the motherboard is handling the SATA ports.

Is that a brand new drive with Windows on it or are you reusing an old one?

>>60266720
Anyone at all?

>>60267253
r5 has two ssd smounts behind the mobo
+ on each hard drive slot

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>>60267230
Everything is brand new.

Installing Doom on Steam but it keeps dropping the connect.

Thanks for the help. I'm about to pass out from sleeplessness but I shall continue to hunt tomorrow

>>60267253
The brackets to mount it to the case should have come with the case. You just need a SATA cable and a spare SATA power connector coming from your power supply. If you can't find the SSD bracket to mount it with you can just use a tape velcro kit to stick it just about anywhere.

>>60267292
This is your CPU usage just DOWNLOADING a game? Something is seriously wrong here, and with the information about the connection getting dropped (assuming on board LAN) I'm guessing this mobo is just barely holding everything together. I'd RMA it.

>>60267336
What does RMA mean?

Is there any way I could cause this while installing it?

>>60267292
Lol is that a ryzen?

>>60267375
No, it's an i7 7700k

>>60267351
rma means sending it back and getting a new one

>>60267375
Yes

>>60267351
Return merchandise authorization. Basically, a return for an exchange. No, I don't think you did anything wrong. Something is fucked and I'm guessing that's just a very poor motherboard.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3647vs3917

According to this, the i7 is still 30% faster than a Ryzen in quadcore performance?

>>60267292
Did you update BIOS and motherboard drivers?
What does it say your CPU frequency is at in Aida64 or HW Monitor?

>>60267413
>userbenchmark.com
People should be banned for posting those. I'm legitimately surprised it's not against the rules.