PPC

morning how was 20 years of cave life ?

>>60246250
>Will it ever be in our homes again?
Nope. The Nintendo Switch marked the end of consumer power architectures.

Was about to open a thread like this about the 68k

>>60246346
>Nintendo Switch
Why?

>>60246436
Because the Wii U, Wii and gamecube were all PPC based, the Switch isn't.

>>60246643
Yea I know that, but that doesn't mean it's dead. Honestly I am not even talking about it being in our homes through a console.
I mean will we ever have another PPC based PC?

>>60246301
Not bad.

>>60246250
PowerPC was based off of the M68k, right? Truly the end of an era.

>>60246664
Can you think of any other consumer device that uses PPC?

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>>60246842
N-no

>>60246664
>I mean will we ever have another PPC based PC?
Nope. There is no point. No software, no price benefits, no efficiency advantage, no support, no nothing.

what was wrong with ppc?

also why did the cell never get used in anything important but the ps3? afaik it got used in some tv prototype but nothing else

>>60247032
But X86 is a botnet...

>>60247061
it doesn't have to be, there's no guarantee that a new PPC wouldn't include similar modules, and in any case we'd be more likely to see an ARM replacement.

>>60246250
It's dead wait for risc-v

>>60247361
>risc-v
Seems interesting, tell me more.

>>60247060
>what was wrong with ppc?
PowerPc G5 was too hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SqYMU81l8Y

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You can get one of these

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=5

>>60247770
Do anons here like this guy because they share his flavor of autism?

legit question.

>>60246301
*11

>>60246803
No, PowerPC was based on POWER

>>60246842
It's used in embedded stuff, for example my RAID card has a PowerPC processor (kind of neat since it's in a PowerPC computer)

>>60247060
IBM released some Cell servers and there are PCIe coprocessors for transcoding video

>>60247835
Yes but it's outdated as fuck.

>>60247909
i thought theyde be great for specific hpc considering they were used for black hole simulations

>>60247853
Is he autistic at all?

>>60247770
this guy sucks at starcraft

>>60248025
Yup

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>>60246250
On the desktop? Certainly. Pure RISC on the desktop is shit.
In other things? Probably not. Just like with MIPS, there will always be some task out there people will choose one of the many embedded PPC solutions available for.
>>60247060
Limp where it mattered, powerful where it didn't. More expensive as well.

>>60252975
I would love a PPC desktop.

It's pretty much in legacy-mode.

Freescale (which was bought by NXP which was then bought by Qualcomm) and AMCC/Macom, the two major manufacturer of PowerPC for high-end embedded space, have no PowerPC-based design in their roadmap and are replacing existing PowerPC-based lines with ARM-based chips.

>>60247060
Nothing, the arch is nice.
X86 had more software. That's it.

>>60247991
No, he appears to be well adjusted.

>>60246250
>Is PPC dead?
Yes
>Will it ever be in our homes again?
No

>>60246664
There's no point to a PPC based computer. Too much has been dumped on x86 that it's now too big to fail. If an alt architecture were to rise up now, it would definitely be ARM.

>>60253265
>ARM
It's trash though, and also a botnet.

>>60253289
>instruction set architecture is a botnet

underage b& pls go

>>60246250
I might build a DMZ with an old Apple machine because they run PPC, have FOSS BIOS, and can run BSD.

>>60253289
Great, do you want a cookie for regurgitating some words you saw in a thread a few years ago?

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>>60253093
I wouldn't mind one either, but we of course have to be realistic about it. In the end, a PowerPC system only does less and costs more for the privilege, and what little it does isn't something every other platform doesn't already do.

Even for those of us like you or I that enjoy exploring new and different ways to solve the same old problems, PowerPC, MIPS or ARM won't offer any of that for us in 2017. All you'd have is a fancy, overpriced box with a different instruction set that's thoroughly abstracted away but otherwise the same in every other respect, running the same old, boring Linux distributions and the same old, boring applications x86 PCs already run better. The excitement and diversity of the '80s and '90s is over.

Might as well buy yourself a nice loaded G5 DC/Quad while you can, or maybe something even more exotic while that stuff is still usable.

>>60253344
>>60253436
https://forum.armbian.com/index.php?/topic/1108-security-alert-for-allwinner-sun8i-h3a83th8/

>>60253508
>specific undocumented extension implemented by an ARM licensee in certain chips means that the entire ARM ecosystem is a botnet

This is like saying AMD Athlon 64 is a botnet because there is a bug in Haswell's implementation of AMT.

https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

>>60253536
Didn't that project die? It was a retarded idea anyway.

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>>60253536
Talos is kill.

https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation

>>60253478

This is the voice of reason.

>>60253361
>DMZ
What?

That sounds like a good idea though, would be a fun project. Which machine you thinking about?

>>60253478
True, true. I guess it's only better for those that are very conscious about security.
Just looked and G5s are a bit expensive, if I could ever buy it for a cheap price then I will.

>>60253559
>3,700,000
The fuck?
How many dollars cost a Power8?

NXP and some other companies still sell powerpc based boards albeit with no graphics cards, if you find one with PCI you can slap a cheap card for framebuffer and have a nice pentium 4 tier machine

>>60253178
double RIP, even their M68k based coldfires are dead, they still sell them, but I'm pretty sure its all ARM Cortex for the recent/future releases

>>60253620
demilitarized zone you newfag

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>>60253643
Don't look at the Intel R&D budget.

>>60253677
Yes nigga, but I don't know what he meant by that in that context.

>>60253650
Can I use it to cook my noodles?

>>60253620
If you live in a decently populated area you could probably find one for under $100 locally. Other than recyclers and thrift stores, surplus shops can be good sources of more exotic gear cast off from industrial installations.

I don't really find the "security" aspect of the whole thing very compelling when in the end you're still placing your trust in a multi-billion dollar company to manufacture an incredibly complex product in which such backdoors, if they really exist, can be easily hidden. It's the novelty and appreciation that drives me more than anything.

>>60253643
A lot. They're chips made for small-volume, high-margin servers, not workstations.

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>>60246250
I still use a PPC Mac desktop as a home server with Debian and I play gaymes on a PS3, so I'm still using PPC hardware.

Yes. ppc64el replaced it. As it stands OpenPOWER is far more powerful than ARM, and has some pretty interesting SMT features (like eigth threads to a core), and governments may be interested in an open CPU platform when Intel's IME starts leaking like a sieve.

>>60253939
> PS3
> Games
Nice try

>>60253957
Where can we get them?

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I heard that a lot of routers used to use POWER, is this true? If so why did they switch to MIPS and later ARM?

Piggybacking on this thread, are there any usable laptops/desktops that use anything but the botnet x86 processors? If like to avoid ARM as well.

Are any of the PowerBooks still usable for general computing and coding? Maybe something using a VIA CPU?

>>60246842
AMIGA ONE computers do.

>>60254107
>>60254048
IBM S814.
There's also a Tyan server that's supposed to be cheap, around 2-4k USD.

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>>60246250
>PPC

PPC never bothered becoming viable competition to Intel and ARM, so just let it die already.

Also, Google is planning to use OpenPOWER on its data centers. POWER isn't going to take over the world, but it's actually looking better than before as far as computing goes. Gaming console-wise though... yeah, that's dead.

>>60254183
A link about that: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3053092/ibms-power-chips-hit-the-big-time-at-google.html
Google is going all in, I hope some of that trickles down to the consumer space.

>>60253620
The old Power Mac G4's were pretty cool, and the G5's were aesthetic as fuck, but hard to come by now.

>>60254136
It was the second most common desktop processor once, and was smoking both while ARM was still a niche chip for British shitboxes and obscure PDAs.

It died because it was pointless, not because it wasn't viable.

>>60253478
You deserve a beer. First smart and non-insulting post I've seen in two months

>>60253643
>>60253878
I was researching about POWER 7 and 8 servers a few weeks ago. Apparently IBM offers a much cheaper series of POWER servers which they have crippled the bootloader to not be able to boot AIX the price ranges where between $7k for the basic and $30k for fully loaded. Dont ask how much the non crippled versions are that can boot AIX because they cost much much much more.

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>>60246250
>8 way SMT
>Hot as fuck
>Shreds INT & float like a 40mm rotary cannon and sheet metal
If those modern IBMs weren't so hard to get a hold of...

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>>60254083
my Procurve 2915 has en nxp powerpc in it.

>>60255536
What's the appeal of AIDX?

>>60256864
That image makes me wonder. Has anyome used watercooling in a heating system?

>>60254083
Why you wont just buy powerpc7+ or 8 IBM server and use it as a desktop?
Has pcie slots, has linux distors.

You are just a bunch of wankers

>>60258001
Nigga they expensive.

>>60258073
>I want to use a niche architecture
>But I don't want to pay a premium
Either pay lots of money for it or buy an old mac. You're either going to have to sacrifice cost or performance.

Or, alternatively, you could get a cheap, high performance machine by getting something x86_64

>>60257317
I think businesses like cause of a lot of features that mean stability reliability as in high uptime / low downtime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX

>>60247061
There's already RiscV

>>60262396
It's not ready yet though.

what about this guys? is this good, and is it worth?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=talos-workstation&num=1
For $3100 USD You Can Have A Fast, Fully-Free-Software Workstation
Last week I brought up the Talos Secure Workstation as a $3100 USD system that's fully free and open down to the firmware and with an open-source friendly processor design while being high performance. Since then, I've had access to test out the hardware making up this POWER8-powered system to see how fast a fully-open system can be.

https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php
Talos™ is the world's first ATX-compatible, workstation-class mainboard for the new, free-software friendly IBM POWER8 processor and architecture. Designed for security-conscious users requiring high performance, the flexible and extensible Talos™ mainboard includes two Coherent Accelerator Processor Interface (CAPI) capable slots; utilizes libre-toolchain FPGAs for system control and routing; provides a plethora of PCI Express slots; and includes a GPIO header for custom peripherals. Talos™ schematics[1] and libre (fully open and auditable) firmware also are included.
Why POWER?
POWER is the only open, owner-controllable architecture that is competitive in performance.
Security-minded individuals and corporations can own a Talos™ Secure Workstation mainboard, complete with an entry-level 8-core 130W POWER8 CPU, heatsink / fan assembly, and ATX I/O shield, for around $5,300 USD. Because Talos™ is specifically designed for workstation use, you don't need to have a small server under your desk to realize the advantages of POWER8!

>>60247061
x86 is only a botnet because it's used by consumers. If you could buy a consumer grade PPC processor today, you can bet your ass it would be backdoored.

>>60246250
Dude if you really want PPC, just buy an old Mac and install gentoo. Hell, you could even transform a Nintendo Wii into a compact PPC box if you really wanted to.

>>60264687
>Nintendo Wii
I've heard of Linux running on it, it's probably shit.

>>60264729
Pretty much yeah. Working with archived Debian Lenny repos is a pain. There's some weird problem with the frame buffer that makes color not appear correctly on most applications. Getting an Xorg server running is supposedly possible, but I spent an entire night messing with config files and fucking locales and goddamn fucking *fonts* of all things and it still didn't work so I gave up. I mean, any DE would probably run like shit on it anyway since it has a whopping 88 MB of RAM if I'm not mistaken. Even so, it feels comforting to be able to use it as a Linux machine in a worst case scenario where I don't have any other computer.

>>60247032
>No software
Just compile your own then.

>>60246250
intel macs blew power macs out of the fucking water in terms of efficiency speed, temperature. everything apple was very stoopid for having power Pc

>>60264808
>Even so, it feels comforting to be able to use it as a Linux machine in a worst case scenario where I don't have any other computer
It's not like you'll be able to properly use it anyways, you're better off having a backup C2D machine.

>>60264899
>intel macs blew power macs out of the fucking water in terms of efficiency speed, temperature
*and botnet

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>>60264925
>tfw a C2D is actually your main machine
If it has a text editor and a compiler, it's functional enough for me

>>60264967
C2D is still solid as fuck though. You should probably upgrade it to a C2Q, they're super cheap nowadays.

>>60264986
It's a laptop, so that's probably not an option.

>>60265006
Nevermind haha

>>60247032
POWER last i checked was pretty powerful with a lot of advanced features and high clock rates. I don't know how much of that makes it's way to ppc but
Last i checked like 5 years ago ibm will sell you a power workstation and most of their mainframe and supercomputing products were power based.
In the case of their midrange systems everything runs in a virtual machine and it's designed to easily migrate to a new architecture.. and has done so in the past.

>>60264589
Already mentioned and dead.

>>60254122
upboated

Anyone else picking one up when they come out?
http://www.amigaos.net/hardware/133/amigaone-x5000

>>60253556
>>60253559
>>60265706
sad.

>>60264687
This

>>60253687
>spend billions on R&D
>can't make mobile processor
>increase the speed of desktop / server lines 1% per rev
lol

>>60253093
You can always find a PowerMac if you want a PPC desktop

>>60254083
PPC micro controllers have been used in all kinds of things from networking hardware, SAS RAID controllers, all in one NAS, cable set top boxes, and computer controlled systems in cars. They've fallen out of favor because IBM and Freescale (Motorola) have shown no interest in continuing development since Apple ditch them. POWER shouldn't be confused with PPC. The DOE are getting two POWER based supercomputers this year and the next. They're the ones using Nvidia's NVLink that had all the gamers upset.

>>60271532
Eh. They're way too old, and run hot. Not worth it.

>>60247390
Royalty free architecture, beats arm in perf:die ratio and generally slightly lower power. Compartmentalized instructions means the same ISA can serve in embedded, mobile, server, and possibly PC, what with ChromeOS & Win10S now a thing. No switching to and from "thumb mode" for compressed instructions. Base instructions are defined, and there is a greenfield for manufacturers to extend, but can mandate/strongarm anything without losing the right to call it risc-v, and there are some sue-happy mofos backing it.
Google wants it for phones, servers, neural shit and maybe chromebooks. Nvidia wants it to serve as a smart hardware scheduler. Samsung has lots of reasons, such as microcontrollers for SSD's, phones, tablets, you name it.
Fascinating stuff. Also, the focus seems to be on wringing out the IPC capabilities, which means you can get away with OOE for a performance boost.
General availability for everything not Epiphany is supposed to happen sometime this year.

>>60271868
Do you want a PPC system or a shitty media streaming botnet telescreen with a different badge on the front? The best of them are more than enough for 95% of what you would want to accomplish as a hobbyist, and the majority of them are no hotter than a typical modern desktop, just don't buy a loaded G5 quad.

>>60270770
goes to show that throwing money at something doesn't make it start moving

>>60257317
presumably integration with IBM hardware, all kinds of business applications you've never heard of, compatibility with existing applications, virtualization facilities, support, etc

>>60265142
While power and powerpc are similar, they're not the same. There's a reason why people make the distinction.

>>60253939
is that a photoshop

Millennialfag here, what's a ppc

>>60274174
a pocket pc

>>60246250
>PPC
>dead
summit from ORNL will be a 250pflop PPC-NVIDIA hybrid

Wtf, power8 is a beast and power9 have been shown this year, and it's awesome. But only on servers

>>60277172
POWER and PowerPC are two related but separate things

>>60277244
Yeah, but PowerPC came from Power 2, so it's kinda evolution of PowerPC. One isn't compatible with the other(I guess), but it's like 4004 and 8086 architectures