/pcbg/ - PC Building General

As I said earlier Everyone should buy the 1600X today

While it's false that no games use more than 4-6 cores, you do get diminishing returns and if the XFR feature is actually worth it that would likely add more single core performance, which is good in the majority of games.

Keep in mind, even in games that would utilize 8 cores, you only see, say, a 10-25% improvement or so from utilizing them over a 6 core. And that's in games that use them.

So...TODAY, I would probably say 1600x.

Now, 5 years from now, that's the question. If multithreaded games become more and more frequent, and we've been seeing more and more over the past year, 8 cores might eventually show its usefulness. But in the short term the 6 core with higher clocks is going to be the superior option. Most games dont use 8 cores and the ones that do only benefit, at most, like 25% from it.

You can actually view the rundown of my argument for more cores here.

https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5ui1bd/why_getting_more_than_4_cores_in_a_gaming_cpu_is/

As you can see, the gains for 8 cores over 6 generally is less than or equal to the boost from 4-6.

Those are the MOST multithreaded games I could find. many games don't benefit AT ALL from more than 4 cores and as such higher clock speeds is more important.

So I'd say the 1600x is the better deal NOW, but the 1700 might eventually be better like 5 years from now.

>>60233058
please stop

I've decided to a) wait for Vega for my new build and b) upgrade my POS 2006 build. In the meantime I'm going to invest in a new monitor and it seems like there's a lot to keep track of these days. What are the best options for monitors I should keep in mind?

From what I've researched, I'd like...

- 120 / 144 hz refresh
- 1080p or higher
- FreeSync
- 20" or bigger
- Cost isn't an issue but I'm not trying to blow my load on a monitor.

Any suggestions?

>>60233058
Hmm why should I get the 1600x over the 1600 that I was planning on getting? Not interested in overclocking btw.

can i just but 2400mhz ram and overclock to around 3000mhz? cause 3200mhz is really damn expensive in canada

>>60233105
Seems you know all the important bits already. The only thing you didn't mention is the screen type, IPS or TN. Ips has better color accuracy and looks more "rich". Tn looks a bit washed out bit is much cheaper. Idk man, look up reviews on specific products and compare them I guess.

>>60233058 >>60232972

>>60233105
>2006
God damn. I think I had a Sempron then.

>What are the best options for monitors
You don't need to fixate on 144Hz. It's common because monitors and tvs were made to operate at 72hz*2 for 3D. Thus 144.
Really anything 85Hz and up is pretty nice. I'd focus on resolution and image quality. At least 1440p, 4k is fine too. OLED are coming this year. HDR10 Freesync2.
A great quality TN is better than a poor quality IPS, but a good quality IPS is better than the best TN. And OLED is obviously better as well.

I wouldn't consider 1080p at all. Especially not for Vega.

best quad core cpu for LGA 1150 socket?

>>60233003
> oh, that title
This is perfect logic.
> sell the cpu which support overclocking with index K
> CPUs has a problem with temp
> then tells to your goys that the cpu shouldn't work on frequencies over than stock, and it can't

Should I buy a GTX 1070 or wait for vega?

>>60233196
>2006
> Pentium 2 Dual core 2.0 ghz
> 2x2gb ram
> AMD 4870 died, replaced with $50 card from Best buy
> Runs LOL and CSGO just fine

Yeah I'm having a hard time justifying letting it go.

Just want to repeat from the last thread - I found some stutters on intel cpus in the Arma 3 test.

At around 1.01 both 6700k and 3570k stutter.
https://youtu.be/6yh9doMXt3I?t=60 [Embed]
During this whole running part 6700k stutters a little, just look closely.

At 4.20 3570k stutters like a lot
https://youtu.be/6yh9doMXt3I?t=258 [Embed]

Anyway, the video is kind of old now and I am really interested in seeing some recent comparison. I saw some test even claiming that Ryzen has higher fps in arma. Can anyone make a video test of arma multiplayer with Ryzen?

>>60233196
Hmm so your suggesting >= 1440p, >= 85hz.

When do the OLED monitors come out?

>>60233242
> vega
Vega wiil have the same performance, but higher price.
Just buy and enjoy.

>>60233275
>When do the OLED monitors come out?
next decade

how much will a vega cost

>>60233249
stutter is part of the aesthetic

>>60233356
>how much will a vega cost
about three-fiddy

>>60233142
eh, if you're not interested in OCing the 1600X might be worth it, though it's still better to get the 1600 to 3.6 via OCing than buying a 1600X since the stock cooler will handle 3.6 easily
your choice senpai, either slightly slower but quite cheaper 1600 or higher clocked 1600X and an aftermarket cooler

>>60233301
[citation needed] and not that supposed "leaked" firestrike result.
If you have no computer now, I say just go for it. If you are itching to upgrade, I say wait it out.

Changing go an nvidia card from my amd one, will i have to uninstall all amd drivers or is this stuff done/supported better nowadays?

>>60233142
If you're not interested in overclocking, you should get an X CPU in general, yes.
Unless you aren't gaming. For general desktop and productivity use, the 1600 stock clocks are still plenty. It's still better than having 3 G4560s smooshed together.

>>60233157
You can try, and likely fail.

>>60233243
I know what you mean. Make a shrine for it, or put it in a new mITX board and case.

>>60233275
LG has one coming this year that should be in the $1000-$2000 range. It is likely to be 120hz and freesync2.
Dell just came out with a 4K OLED, 60hz, 0.1ms response time monitor that's $4000 iirc.

>>60233356
Probably $550-$700 for the full die one.

>>60233448
You should generally clean uninstall drivers to stuff you don't use.

>after a lot of headache assemble my first build
>get windows 7 on a usb
>again after a lot of headaches get it up
>it wont detect my usb
>cant install drivers for the network adapter
u guys said this will be easy
i feel like killing my self my head hurts
and wtf i pay a tousand bucks for it and the piece of shit wont detect flash drives and i cant fix it

>>60233523
>she (male) didn't read the guide about including newer usb drivers
zzz your fault. It's easy, you're just a dummy. You should find a big strong boyfriend to do this stuff for you.

x86 is botnet cancer. Is it possible to buy a modern consumer grade PowerPC CPU?

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>>60233523
>he doesn't have a custom 7 iso with usb 3 drivers baked in
Get a load of this pleb

>>60233559
i would let whoever gets this thing running fuck my ass all he wants
so i should just get windows 10 then?

>>60233574
when i was installing windows it said im missing some drivers and after googling i downloaded windows 7 usb3.0 creator and after running it the installation worked
but it still detect them

>>60233598
I just told you want to do.
You need to include the USB 3 drivers with the install. Windows 7 came out long before USB 3 existed. It's incredibly simple.

Now give me that boipussy.

But yes, you should frankly install Windows 10 and just theme it to be like Win7 and disable the dumb services and crap.

>>60233636
>after running it the installation worked
but it still detect them
This makes no sense. But desu just install win10 and google how to make it better.

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Any suggestions on a Mid-atx tower?

Will any with 5 fans (of course can buy my own) workout? Certain things I should look for?

Pic related is current build, have posted before but you guys actually provide great feedback on some details of things.

Usually use for gaming for purpose, nothing else really besides surfing, e-mails/bills, etc.

Looking to spend up to $1000. I'm a bang-for-buck type of guy though, not aiming for top of the line all the time. Pic-related actually lasted my for the past 3 years but finally feeling its age with current gen stuff. Don't plan on ever overclocking besides what comes out of the box and software.

>>60233658
>FX 6350
>760
shit you made the two worst choices you could at the time.

>Looking to spend up to $1000
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DVphr7
remove the monitor.
Change to RX570 4GB if you're just going to do 1080p as the RX580 8GB is bad value for just 1080p.

>>60233598
Is Windows 7 installed or not so far?

USB 3.0 issues can happen before or after successful installation of Windows 7.

>>60233690
the CPU and motherboard were $70 at the time, and actually had a 660ti and RMA'd it at the end of the warranty 2 years later, and they gave me a 760 instead. Overall I spent like $525 total on the build.

Regret the HDD the most though.

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How important is an SSD's quality for read/write if I'm just playing CS:GO/Dota and downloading Chinese cartoons from time to time? I'm eyeing Samsung and Crucial as they're the most talked about, but there's some brands way cheaper for the same size.

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you guys think this would work if I only used my ceiling fan as cooling and undervolt stuff?

>>60233658
>I'm a bang-for-buck type of guy though
>Don't plan on ever overclocking

Let me guess, you're also that supposedly "straight" white guy who posted on Reddit about loving to suck dicks.

I'm trying to make a build for a friend, he has 1000 dollars to spend and currently plays games on a shitty Dell from like 2008 which turns games into pixelated slideshows. I made the following build for him and want to see if I can shave off money anywhere without compromising its ability to play nicer games at high resolution and with a good frame rate. He usually plays Doom, Overwatch, and Payday 2.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D3dqJV

Main thing to cut back on cost is a motherboard without wifi capabilities it's just he currently doesn't know if he can get Ethernet so he wanted a backup.

>>60233740
Nah I'm hispanic and I take care of horses.

Was thinking of getting a ryzen 1600 and the low end vega if its less then $300

>>60233716
it is
but it wont detect usb
tried both 2.0 and 3.0
last thing ill try od this after that ill just get 10
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2985758/fresh-install-windows-doesnt-recognize-usb-dvd-drive-internet-install-drivers.html

>>60233760
Ditch the cooler

Newegg has a sale going on. 5% off if you order through their mobile app. Stacks with other sales.

Amazon has 20% off all bitfenix cases.

>http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=refurbforless&_armrs=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xryzen.TRS0&_nkw=ryzen&_sacat=0
1800X $420
1700X $310
1700 $290
1500X $170
All of them are new. Might not have manufacturer warranty, though, as they aren't an authorized AMD retailer.

>>60233738
Worst build so far. You really have no idea but I can't be bothered to point out all the problems, sry.

>>60233760
Solid build, but change the monitor to a 75Hz freesync one. There's some around $105-115.
And get a semi-modular or modular PSU like the 550RM.
And yeah, I don't think that Cooler is better than the stock one.

>>60233777
You're so cute when you're frustrated~

Anyone have thoughts on what the most *reliable* B350 board is? Thinking about moving off Nehalem at long last, but I don't need all the trimmings on an X370.

Or maybe I'll just replace my Nehalem with a Xeon hex.

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a friend recommended me this but I am not sure
picking that mobo means I am stuck with amd if I want to upgrade

>>60233771
>Nah I'm hispanic

Explains why you're so fucking stupid. The statement about the straight white male liking to suck dicks was the joke that flew right over your head.

Let me explain so that you understand:
>I like bang for buck, therefore I want the best value for the amount spent
>But I WILL NOT OVERCLOCK

The irony here is like dying of thirst on top a raft in the ocean; you're surrounded by an ocean of water, but you'd still die of dehydration.

Overclocking gets you 20 ~ 30% more performance for the same amount of money spent on the CPU, which is what every value-oriented consumer should be interested in, yet you believe you're a bang-for-the-buck kind of guy, but doesn't want to overclock.

Can't wait until King Trump deports your dumb ass back to Mexico and finishes that wall.

>>60233777
Did you even download and install your motherboard's chipset drivers after installation of Windows 7?

>>60233738
>i3
just get a ryzen 5

>>60233862
Solid build except for the RAM. As the OP says, don't use 1 stick of SR RAM. It's up to a 25% performance drop compared to using 2 sticks.

>picking that mobo means I am stuck with amd if I want to upgrade
As opposed to?
LGA1151 is a dead socket. No new CPUs coming out on it. Whereas AM4 will have new CPUs coming in 2018, 2019, and 2020 at the minimum for it.

Nothing but amd pajeets acting like they know what they are talking about now

>>60233868
I mean if I wanted to take a chance, however how small, with overclocking, I would just pay for a more powerful CPU. And have had things break down on me before.

Also I voted for Trump.

>>60233058
Posts like this is why I will not buy Ryzen. Shills building it up to be better than what it is.

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>>60233888
in the end I am selling my soul to amd instead of intell so I guess there is no difference at all

>>60233862
looks good, anus mobos are shit though

>>60233880
MOTHERFUCKER I DONT A HAVE A CD DVD DRIVE AND I CANT CONNECT BECAUSE MY ADAPTER NEEDS DRIVERS AND MY USB TOO

How long will ryzen 1700 last if you don't overclock it and how long will it last if you do overclock it?

If i get ryzen 1700 should I get ddr4-3600 or ddr4-3200?

What is the best motherboard for ryzen 1700 that can use ddr4-3200 and the best for ddr4-3600?

When does Vega come out so I can get a discounted 1080

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>>60233918

>>60233942
The ASUS boards are better now. Just make sure you update BIOS right away.

>>60233947
If you don't? Or just lightly like 1.3-1.35v? idk 15+ years probably.
If you heavily overclock it like 1.45v+? idk probably 6-10.

AMD never released details of their projections, but those can be assumed based on what's standard.

>If i get ryzen 1700 should I get ddr4-3600 or ddr4-3200?
Check the QVL.
None support over 3200 currently without an external clock generator. I think this microcode update going downstream is supposed to add 3600 support though. Getting high RAM speed running is still iffy.

>>60233947
3200

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Good deal? Ive never heard of this brand and I need a new monitor.

>>60233862
>Solid build except for the RAM. As the OP says, don't use 1 stick of SR RAM. It's up to a 25% performance drop compared to using 2 sticks.

Actually the ram is one of the things I am not certain about 2x4 would certaily be better than 1x8 but that takes 2 slots so if I ever want to upgrade to 16 gb of ram which is very likely I would either have to buy a 8gb stck or 2x4gb and fill most of my ram slots

tldr: probably gonna wait for a good discount on ram before upgrading

>>60233963
in 3-4 weeks seems most likely. best case around 19th worst case around june 1

>>60233944
1) Why are you posting in all caps, retard?

2) Sounds like you already know the problem and the solution; why the hell don't you go out and buy the $20 cd/dvd drive solution for your damn problem already?

Do you think /g/ has some magical way to fix your broke ass?

>>60233914
Overclocking has nothing to do with chip longevity; overvolting does. You can get significant overclocks without ever touching the voltage being fed to the processor.

Again, shows how fucking stupid you are.

>>60233999
Korean monitor known for being able to overclock to 120 hz from a native 60 hz.
It's a good monitor that has production issues.
Sometimes you get "play" on the panel.
Lightbleed, etc.

For the price, it's a great monitor.

Check out the pixio.
It's not same price, but it's a native 144 hz 27 inch ips freesync display. worth every dollar.

>>60234017
just pick a mobo with 4 dimm slots (like asrock pro4) and go 2x4gb. also ditch that hdd, 7200rpm has been standard for last 15 years

>>60233983
Is the wraith cooler that comes with the ryzen 1700 good enough to overclock with? Would I need to buy a better cooler to overclock just enough for the cpu to last atleast 7-10 years?

Take a look at the steam hardware survey the amount of people with CPUs that have more than 4 cores is tiny. So from the perspective of a game developer why waste time time and money to have the game utilize more than 4 cores effectively when it will only be beneficial to very few people.

>>60233999
For cheap monitors, I'd normally go with Pixio or Nixeus.
They're the similar sort of cheap Korean with drawbacks monitors, but with a bit better quality control. But that one does look alright.

>>60234017
Get that 2x8GB DDR4 3000 for $100 on newegg or whatever it was that was posted in another build earlier. That's a good deal.

>>60233983
>anus
>better
no, gigabyte and asrock are both better and cheaper

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>>60234139
Shit argument.
30fps is acceptable for corelets is all that means to developers. They're not going to gimp the game and advertised features just because lots of people have 2c/2t. It'll just run at higher framerates on real CPUs. Which is exactly what actual benchmarks show. duuuur.

>>60234170
That B350M Prime is actually really good quality wise.
Good VRMs, 6 phases. People are getting really good overclocks on it. Good RAM compatibility too. But the PCI slot layout sucks.

It's the full ATX Prime that sucks.

>>60234174
We also can't ignore the effect that current-gen consoles have on game development. From the perspective of making the most profit, developing a AAA game with the PS4 + Xbox One combination as a first priority makes sense since the profit from those platforms combined can exceed the profit from PC sales for a lot studios. And since both consoles have an 8-core CPU with small per-core IPC, developers have pretty much been forced to learn how to deal with it. They could just refuse deal with it of course, but even if they decided to not go beyond 4 cores that would mean wasting about 50% of the available CPU power which is a big no-no. Because if they aren't willing to learn to utilize the (limited) processing power of this device that's in the homes of tens of millions of people, then someone else will. And that will give them an edge in the marketplace.

So I guess something good can come out of consoles. Better parallelisation will benefit us all, or at least it won't hurt.

Also DX12 and Vulkan. That's a good example of the potential of parallelisation and the danger of focusing too much on single-core approach.

>>60234174
Your benchmarks use shitty FX processors. If you compared i5's to i7's at the same speed, you'd see almost no difference in games. The 8350 is more of a 4 core processor with beefed up hyperthreading than a real 8 core. Zen will be an actual 8 core processor.

>>60234170
Gigabyte is not cheaper and ASRock is not better.

>>60233738
bad CPU, bad cooler & bad PSU
Get a Ryzen 5, get a cooler WITH a fan, a (very) big one, and adjust the fan curve to make it silent
Something that fanless fag don't understand is that fanless coolers still rely on fans, just not ones that are directly attached to it. So just like you said, your fan case (which is much much more likely to be noisy than CPU cooler).
So get an actual good cooler and set custom fan curve to always make it spin but very, very slowly. Even the slightest rotation is much better than no fan at all.

When you're looking for quietness, you don't go for an efficiency PSU: you got for an overkill rated (wattage) one, so that it's fan never spin. 400w 80+ Platinum is just money being thrown out of the window.

And don't get such a bad case, it's dusty as fuck an doesn't block ANY noise. Get a Fractal Design Define R5 (which includes two 140mm fans to the case), then using it's built in fan controller put the fan speed to lowest speed (there's only 3 speed)

There, that's how you do into quietness.

>>60234235
I'd wait for ryzen to release though and see what that has to offer. Supposedly they're releasing 8 cores for a similar price of the 7700k and those might be even better. I doubt they will match the 7700k in single threaded performance though.

They'll also be releasing a 6 core model for the price of an i5.

Id hold off a few weeks until they're out and compare benchmarks.

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>>60234271
>I'd wait for ryzen to release though and see what that has to offer.
>Supposedly they're releasing 8 cores
>They'll also be releasing a 6 core model
>Id hold off a few weeks until they're out

>>60233249
Meanwhile the Ryzen is stuttering the entire time.

Ever consider the "stutter" is due to an old as shit mobo and not the processor? My Kaby Lake gets zero stutter.

>>60233862
Why do retards in PCBG generals always post pc part picker list images and NO LINK?

You know it'd be easier to copy/paste the permalink than trying to screenshot, crop, save, then upload to 4chan?

>>60233725
How important is 0-60 in a car when the speed limit is 75 anyway?

Getting a top end SSD is about the thrill. I love seeing my apps load faster than your mom cums when I send her a dick pic.

While I don't doubt future games will use more than quad cores, the fact right now is, if you aren't gaming in 4K, you don't need more than quad cores, nor do they need to be the top of the line in Ghz.

Easiest way to test this for yourself is open task manager, switch to the performance tab, then enter your game and play for a bit. Alt-tab out, and see. Every game I've ever tested, I've never seen my 4.2Ghz quad maxed. In fact it only hovers around 30 - 40%.

There is no need to buy something higher than medium Ghz quad right now for gaming.

Then I don't have data to back this up on 4K gaming, but it basically comes down to games not needing more CPU. There is not a lot of AI going on in todays games that require such a beefy CPU.

Sure, higher than quad cores are nice, and will have a lower load than a quad core, but to say that they are currently needed in todays games is pretty untruthful.

Of course I can only confirm this for playing in 1080p at 60fps on any recent title.

Any game that is in 1080p with a good gfx card, and (decent Ghz'ed) quad core cpu, and runs sluggish or a high load is not the CPUs fault and would actually be a coding issue with the game/drivers.

Take a look at the Steam HW survey. It shows that quad cores are just barely beating dual cores... finally. Game devs are not going to code their game to run optimally on something with quad cores for a quite a while. Not until that many cores becomes as popular as quad cores are today.

I'm pretty sure any hardware review site will back this up, but I guess we will truly find out with Ryzen NDAs expire and we see some reviews. I'm sure it will give faster fps, but to say that it's needed is a long shot in my book.

As someone who only bought the best part available for each component because I'm not a poorfag, reading these threads makes me feel so good inside.

>>60234271
ryzen has been released 2 month ago lad

>>60234170
>>60234217
Who do I believe?
I have a similar build pending to that anon's except with an ASRock AB350M Pro4 which is $10 cheaper. Should I move to the PRIME B350M-A? How's its memory kit compatibility? And I would be overclocking my 1600 if it makes the difference.

>>60233249
What a faggy ass """game""".

>>60234235
I was following an outdated build so the cpu was old. I revised it. If i did build this which i probably won't I would want it to work with no fans at all except the ceiling fan in my room. It says 200watts on partpicker so 400w should do what you're talking about

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>>60234217
>ASRock is not better.
>he still thinks anus is good

>>60234331
>I've never seen my 4.2Ghz quad maxed. In fact it only hovers around 30 - 40%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
Nice "30 - 40%" right there

>>60234353
Did you read the part about how he's searching for quietness and how having an overkill PSU allows it to never run near full load meaning the PSU fan doesn't ever spin, reducing noise even further?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yX4gxY

alright this is my final revision
anything to change?

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won't hear it sneaking up on you. that's why I picked that case so it would ambient airflow

>>60234271
wat

>>60234317
You convinced me friendo.

>>60234382
did you read the part on the build where it's a fanless PSU designed for this thing and will be doing half the wattage required?

>>60234383
looks good go for it

>>60234422
no i didn't

>>60234342
>Should I move to the PRIME B350M-A?
Depens. What do you value? VRM quality, audio, features, value or simply getting the cheapest solution that just werks?
Most AM4 boards are a good choice, it's on you to chose the board that suits you the most.
>How's its memory kit compatibility?
See QVL. From what i've read so far MSI has best compatibility, ASRock seems to do ok, idk about the rest though.
>I would be overclocking my 1600 if it makes the difference
Hard to say without actually comparing and OCing the boards side by side with the same chip. ASRock only has a 3 phase, don't get fooled by the 6 chokes, which should be somewhat worse than a 4 phase design.
Both Gigabyte and Asus offer 4 real phases. MOSFETs also play a role. Gigabyte and Asus use On Semiconductors whereas ASRock uses Niko Semiconductor which is, again, worse.
The ASRock Pro4/K4 aren't bad boards by any means, it's just that quality wise others are better, but if budget is an issue, there's nothing wrong with getting a Pro4 or K4, after all they are all decent boards.

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>tfw 5 days in and still stuck on order processed from UPS
>jets support says they are looking into the "merchant" about the tracking number
>can't full on refund until the full delivery date is met May 8th
>I ordered all this shit on the 28th

Holy fucking shit I have a fully built god damn PC tower sitting on my desk downstairs since Wednesday and here I am stuck waiting for one god damn part.

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>>60234387
Post the fucking perma link, you fucking retard.

>>60234371
>not an argument
>posting a communist retard as """argument"""
The only good commie is a dead commie.

>>60234503
sorry
here it is https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>60234501
Well if you don't plan on playing new AAA games you can use a 15 year old laptop just fine for most things. Most of the time indie games and older games don't really push hardware much, and in fact are predominantly single threaded games. You'd probably be fine with just an i3, for some games even better than a quad core because some games actually have instability with quad cores. For instance, Dragon Age Origins, and that by no means is the only one.

But usually PC Gamers like upgrading their hardware and playing newer games and pushing things. In which case, you really want to go quad+HT or more physical cores.

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>>60234529
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>60234529
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
my fucking sides

>>60234503
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qT2knn

sorry that other guy wasnt me

>>60233003
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WHtff8

New machine for coding and graphics design. Planning to build before next semester. Should I wait for Ryzen 3? I'm on a budget.

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>>60234529

>>60234625
>I'm on a budget.
how much

>>60234645
should be less than 800 total (euro)

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Just built this week.

>>60234669
do you actually NEED the dvd / cd writer
if you have an old laptop lying around you could rip off the cd drive and buy a 2€ slimine sata to usb cable to use on your computer

>>60234485
Thanks for the info. Comparisons of certain setups are a bit hard to find right now since everyone is pretty much in the midst of trying things out. I think $10 more isn't so bad considering the pros you listed.

>>60234625
>graphics design
>with tn monitor
enjoy shitty colors.

spending 12,5% of your budget on a case is retarded.

get faster 2x4gb memory.

get matx mobo, they are cheaper.

consider dropping the cd/dvd writer

>>60234765
telling me something is shit and to exclude another thing is not criticism

tell me what to do

>>60234625
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFw3XH

>>60234706
No, forgot I can burn DVDs at school.
Can you tell if the CPU and GPU are balanced for the tasks intended? I don't want to waste potential clocks while compiling gentoo or rendering some 3D bullshit.

>>60234763
FYI: i'm currently also planning on a Ryzen build. The mobos i consider are the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 and Asus Prime X370-Pro.
To me audio and a decent VRM are important, which is why i consider those two mobos. Difference is like 40 euroshekkels for me.
Tbh i don't want to support Gigabytes (((gaming))) shitshow with LEDs fucking everywhere but on the otherside i don't want the Asus because it's fucking glued backplate.
AM4 mobos are a mess, regardless the manufacturer.

>>60234789
but i told you????
1. monitor with an ips panel
2. faster (2666mhz+) memory in dual channel (2 sticks)
3. any case that's <50€
4. matx motherboard
5. drop cd/dvd writer unless you're stuck in 2005 and actually still use cd/dvd

>>60234765
What kind of monitor should I use then?

Also I hate fan noise and the case is quiet. Can you suggest another quiet case? My room is really small and I don't like the noise echoing around at all (which is the case with the current machine).

>>60234800
Well, if you're doing mainly productivity task and not much gaming, it would make much more sense to downgrade the gpu & upgrade the cpu, like this
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/G9qdWX

>>60234792
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFw3XH
Thanks!

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I want to upgrade the 2600k of my gaming pc but I'm stuck in an autistic loop, this is hopeless.

>aint buying another jewtel quad core in current year
>1600x is cheap and can OC to 4ghz
>but 1700 will beat it even at 3.8 if I spend a bit more
>what if I get a bad 1700 and it OC like shit
>best would be 1800x
>but its getting stupidly expensive for +200mhz
>6800k is cheaper and better at gaymen at that point
>fuck that x99 boards are cancer
>I'm stupid I should just get a 7700k
>goto 1

Query: Will the Ryzen 1600 handle my 120 FPS needs?

I've lost the ability to live without high frames.

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>>60233003
How'd I do senpaitachi

Not OC'ing anyway.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mq6BHN

>>60234881
Yes, assuming your GPU isn't gonna bottleneck you. But it can't into 144hz.
It also has pretty smooth frame pacing compared to intel cpu so there's that

>>60234846
neat
since the voltage in this build is dropped to sub 300 can I downgrade the PSU as well? Or should I just keep the 500W?

>>60234870
>but 1700 will beat it even at 3.8 if I spend a bit more
Only in productivity tasks

>but its getting stupidly expensive for +200mhz
Yes, so you shouldn't even consider the 1700x or 1800x at all.

>>60234901
Sure, but it's already a pretty cheap PSU. You could downgrade to a 430w but it would not only be much less futureproof, but also not that much cheaper

>>60234846
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/G9qdWX
looks good
>>60234625
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WHtff8

>>60234625
just save up for a 1600

>>60234927
ok thanks I know what to get now

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>>60234870
how about get a 1700 and ignore the buttmad intel shills

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>>60234899
I've never liked 144 its too meme for me.

I live by the rule of two, originally my PCs were always meant to play double FPS what a console can but since 60 FPS is so easy to hit nowadays it was time to go for double the PC "standard" which would be 120.

Kind of like 1440p, basically double what 1080p is, which is effectively double the "standard" PC resolution.

>>60234831
Yeah, I was also looking at the Gaming 3 which seems to be the most well received at the moment (but $40 more to my plan). I used to think money ain't a thang, but now even a $10-50 difference seems much.
Luckily, I don't buy into windowed side panel cases or RGB/LED editions so the A E S T H E T I C wouldn't bother me if I go with it. Until I open the case that is.

>>60234870
What AA is that anyway?

>>60234870
its time for
XEONS
and SNOWOWLS

>tfw AMD finally did it with Ryzen

Imagine if they deliver on the GPUs.

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>>60235079
soon brother

If I get a b250 now to go with a g4560 would b250 still be compatible if I got a ryzen CPU later on?

>>60235279
No, different socket. You can't go from intel cpu to amd cpu (or the other way around) without changing the motherboard, ever. b250 is LGA 1151, Ryzen CPUs are AM4

>>60235028
I have a closed R5 case, thing is.. i refuse to support Gigabyte's retarded product design of LED here, LED there.. fucking everywhere.
Gigakek is the only manufacturer that goes completely stupid on LEDs. I had Gigabyte mobos since always, back when they still had the blue PCB, but nowadays... fuck that retarded catering to gaymers.
Guess i go with Anus Glued(TM) Backplate this time. Actually wanted the ASRock Gaming K4, which suprisingly doesn't come with crazy LEDs, but ASRock dropped the ball on the VRM.
Niko Semi PowerPAKs on a X370? No fucking thanks. I don't expect TI NexFETs, but Niko's... come on, those things cost like $0.40 a piece, and that's retail.

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>>60235297
>Anus Glued(TM) Backplate this time
can't wait to see your face when you see that even asus motherboard have leds on the pcie and behind the mobo now

>>60234701

>gets slow as fuck 2400mhz ram.

That said having 4 ranks of the stuff means anything over 2133mhz is technically overclocking (kiss your warranty goodbye if Intel feels like jewing you).

>>60234619
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wmgPD8

>>60234701
Is this bait?
>64GB of RAM
Y tho?
>$100 mouse
Y tho?
>Win10
I hope you just listed that and didn't actually pay for it.
>2TB NVMe SSD
Y tho? You're never going to see a clear difference in speed when gaming or using any programs. It's less than 5 seconds faster at loading an OS and a 850 Evo M.2.

>>60233003
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JTCrCy
Will use with my R9 290 until Vega comes out. I'll keep my Dell U2414H as a second monitor and I've already got a G502, mechanical keyboard and the audio gear I want. I've also got a 2.5" 500GB 850 EVO.

This is exclusively for gaymen. I've got Fedora on my laptop and I use that for everything else. I play a huge range of stuff, new and old. I'm expecting 9001Hz 4k on CS:S.

I'd like to bring the price down but not at the cost of quality or performance.

>>60234387
One of the most bizarre mismatched builds I have ever seen here. I almost want to see it built to know how shitty it is.

>>60235332
http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#kf
This is the retarded shit i am talking about.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jnhmHN

Can I get feedback on how to make cheaper/better so far?
Intended use is home music studio setup,can't go microatx as I need the extra USB slots.
Probably gaming further down the line if I can save money for good gpu

>>60234898
You can get a cryorig to save some cash and LED RAM is stupid. Get a semi-modular PSU since you'll need those preset cables anyway.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW38kT

>>60235444
Oh, and I chose that mobo specifically because of all the USB on the back.

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>>60235455
nice

>>60235461
Forgot to mention budget is 300 I am dirt poor lads

>>60235481
your potato takes shit pictures.

>>60235444
Well, you could downgrade that PSU to a 500w, but otherwise there's nothing that could be downgraded without there being a noticeable difference

>>60235495
it's intended anon
so that you can see all the leds

>>60235461
i don't think you can go any cheaper

>>60235481
>>60235520
>intended
>t. autist
My 150 bucks chinkphone takes better pictures than that.

>>60235539
>unironically calling money 'bucks'
:-?

>>60235461
>>60235490
I want to cry for you m8. I'd lend you rupees if I had any to get a case if I could. You absolutely sure you can't get more than 300 pounds and get a better PSU? Have you looked for anyone selling a used prebuilt that you can get? Is there like a craigslist for the UK?

>>60235539
i don't care about your chinkphone anon

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>>60234997
>1440p, basically double what 1080p is, which is effectively double the "standard" PC resolution.

>>60235297
>>60235455
As long as there are those that think the more LEDs = the better the PC, they won't stop anytime soon. Unfortunately.
There were quite a few times where I was settled on a part due to the merit of its specs and price, but was super turned off by its gamer aesthetic.
Thankfully the cases looking like furniture from advanced civilizations in outer space has kind of slowed down. At least if you pick your brands right.

>>60235554
There is man yeah i've been checking that avenue also but I'm cautious of buying secondhand, I'm worried of it breaking down on me. Any experiences buying secondhand yourself?

got a gtx 1080 this week it's so fast games default to 4k as I'm using a 4k TV and it runs so smooth I forget wtf this card is actually doing. everyone should experience this. I hope AMD actually delivers it's promise with Vega to do native 4k.

>>60235451
well that's all you could do because you sure as hell won't hear it :)

why do you call it mismatched? 1050ti + low power cpu seems like a good match to me

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My g4400 is chockin g my gtx 960
Should a g4560 be enough or do I need an i3/5?

>>60235385
thanks those are some way better options I didn't know about

>>60233003
Prime X370-Pro (Bios version 0604, latest)
AMD Ryzen R7 1700 (3.7 ghz)
G.SKILL 16GB (2x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz ( F4-3200C16D-16GVK )

So right now I'm currently having issues getting it to the advertised 3200 mhz. Just setting my XMP profile causes it to fail to boot. Likewise even manually setting it doesn't seem to work as I can't even get it above 2400 mhz by manually increasing the dram to 1.35 (even tried 1.4) and manually setting the timing to 16-16-16-36.

If I try to set it to 2666 it beeps once on start up and non of my usb or displays lights up or recognizes the pc and it seems to get stuck in a loop. If I set it higher than 2666 the motherboard's CPR kicks in and resets to last working settings.

I haven't messed with other settings because I'm not knowledgeable about them and I haven't needed to in the past. Anyone have an idea of what I should do to at least get it to 3000? The CPU itself overclocks just fine, it is just the ram that seems to be having difficulties.

>>60235461
>>60235490
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6bL7BP

>>60234898
Why are you buying an unlocked version if you won't overclock you fucking moron?

>>60235637
4560 enough

>>60235614
Secondhand has a bad light for good reason because people want to sell their shitty old stuff and still make some cash. While not always a given, I would test out hardware and inspect something that someone is selling. Like a car which you can take for a test drive; run some benchmarks and look inside the case, check the cables, how dusty it is, any bent pins or stresses it has on the motherboard...

I've gotten a used inspiron 530 before and it worked for about 7 years from when I got it until I gave it to my cousin who still uses it for lurking and whatnot. If you can find a trusted friend or store to buy a used prebuilt off of then that should be fine until you can gather up maybe 500 pound for your own build. But 300 for a new build in the UK sounds like you'll end up spending more time looking for sales than getting work done on a pc.

>>60233218
To Intel, K just means an unlocked multiplier, so even if temperatures are prohibitive to overclocking, at least you can underclock! Aren't you glad you bought a K version, dear consumer?

>>60235694
Bios updates coming out soon (this month) for this specific issue.

>>60233862
you are stuck with AMD if you decide to upgrade but the chances are if you went 1151 mobo you'd not be able to upgrade much anyway as Intel probably are gonna Jew everyone and force new mobo sockets

>>60235751
Ah, that's good to hear. I've been reading a lot of posts on the net that says that they already released bios and all their problems were fixed so I assume I was doing something wrong.

>>60235637
you need to stop fucking buying intel

>>60235757
>you are stuck with AMD
there's nothign wrong with that

>Intel probably are gonna Jew everyone and force new mobo sockets
It's not even probable: Coffee Lake will just be a refresh of kaby-lake making it worthless for upgrades and kaby lake will have dropped in price, and Cannonlake faces major problem that will most likely make it be released on the next socket. At best, Cannonlake is released on LGA 1151 but there is still 0 new cpu after that for the socket. At worst, Cannonlake is not released on LGA 1151, so there's 0 new cpu at all.

Compare that with the AM4 platform that is planned to last until 2020 at least, as in new cpu every year until 2020, and it's being stuck with intel that is a bad thign

>>60235709
I will overclock, just not right away. Also better stock clock speed.

What should I upgrade?
for 1080p gayming

>i5 4430
>r9 270
>8GB ram

Other than with some shit optimized games, I think getting 16GB is out of the question.
So it comes down to CPU or GPU.

I'm thinking about getting an SSD but first I wanna do a fresh install and see how much of a change is just that.

Not one day goes by where I dont curse myself for not waiting a bit more and getting a bit more informed on PC building instead of having a build made by a shop.
Could have done a 2500k+ 7000series build for much less and it would have creamed this piece of shit.

Also I'm thinking of selling my 270 and see if some chum gives me 80€ for it and get a used 770 off ebay.
it seems to be the best card I can get for under 100€ here.
Should I wait for vega and the shift in prices and wave of sold hardware or what?
Even tho I have some money for some reason I am so instinctualy against buying new shiny stuff because it costs so much and it will be "obsolete" when the new model comes out.

pls respond

Do you guys think CPU prices will for memorial day sales or should I go ahead and take advantage of 5% off on newegg today?

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>>60235866
your CPU is still good gayming, you can keep it for the time being

>Also I'm thinking of selling my 270 and see if some chum gives me 80€ for it and get a used 770 off ebay.
that's a bad idea, don't do that. It's a sidegrade at best.

>Should I wait for vega and the shift in prices and wave of sold hardware or what?
Vega is soon so yeah do wait for it, but it most likely won't shift any price.
But it's mostly high end stuff, GTX 1070 to 1080 ~ 1080ti levels, so most likely not for you.

>pls respond
no

>>60235866
GPU 100%. not familiar with the r9 270 so no idea what would be a sizeable upgrade but games at 1080p anythung somewhat new is good, 1060 or 570, 580, 480, maybe even 1050ti

I fell for the RGB meme

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4s8kT

>>60235985
enjoy your 90c temperature spikes

>>60233862
AMD uses the same socket for a few years. Intel changes the mobo every new CPU revision. Being stuck with intel is way worse because if you upgrade the CPU means you HAVE to buy a new mobo. With AMD, pick a good one and stick with it for a few years.

>>60234701
>drops that kind of money into a PC
>can't buy the 1080ti instead
bait/10

>intel is shitting out yet another chipset
As a xeonfag, this pleases me.
>all those companies that are going to jump ship to the new chipset and cheaply discard/sell their old 2011-3's

1050ti with an g4560 good enough for generally most games at 1080 60fps right?

>>60236120
You might on medium and low. Using max settings, a 580/1060 with a rhaizen 1600 can barely play new games at 1080p 60 fps.

>>60236120
I have a 1050ti with i7 7700k and I can play battle field one on high with 60 fps

Whats the tl;dr on b350 mobos? Cant seem to decide between asrock gigabyte and msi. Preferred price is ~150 leafbucks

>>60235985
so the 120s are going on the bottom of the case?
cuz it comes with 3 140s

>>60236417
oh shit i'm retarded

i need to learn how to read, yeah i knew it came with 3 140s and i just wanted to replace those with better looking 140s

thanks

>>60236394
NCIX.ca has a $25 rebate on a $119 ASRock AB350M Pro4, you can go with that since the other good one is the Gigabyte AB350M 3 and that one is $40 more ($20 if no rebate)

Ive got a corsair 110i aio cooler with stock paste. I also have arctic silver next to me on the shelf. Normally I would just replace the stock paste but its really nicely applied in a square.

What does everyone think is it worth cleaning the stock off? Have rubbing alcohol and q tips next to me as I have been fucking with 2 other computers. I figure this random opinion is as good as google. I dont really see details just that arctic silver is good.

Someone said you can use toothpaste as an emergency paste if you dont have any thermal paste. Will this work? Should I use colgate or crest?

>>60236461

I hope you are trolling. Luke did a video and apparently it wasnt super horrible but please dont stick tooth paste on a cpu. Who knows what shit is in it that will burn to the cpu.

You have to be trolling. I dont even think I should have responded if not for that 1/100000000 chance you are legit.

what's the best ram that you can get with gigabyte 350 gaming 3, I want 3200 speeds 2x8. Ryzen build.

>>60236488
Toothpaste is meant to clean. You can literally wash your car with it. I doubt it would burn my CPU.

>>60236444
I own the Q, no problem

>>60236507

It could leave residue and your car does not reach cpu temperatures. And you are trolling now.

>>60236444
>>60236456
listen to this guy, i'm picking mine up tomorrow

>>60236502
http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-doc

>>60236524
thanks, will do

>>60236524
woops meant >>60236394

>>60236523
I'm not trolling. I wiped off my old thermal paste without realizing that I was out. My computer is off and I'm posting from my phone. Should I use no paste or toothpaste?

>>60236321
>spending more on your processor than your GPU
>for gaymen
autism

>>60236546

Toothpast can work but you better get real paste in like a week. I have no idea how it works long term but it is definetly functional in the short term. Order some shit off amazon or something.

>>60236560

Also tell /g/ what happened when you replace it. Actually useful info maybe.

>>60236560
Should I use colgate or crest? The crest is whitening toothpaste and the colgate appears to be just regular mint.

>>60236577
>>60236560

Make sure you order the paste that shit will likely dry out. And clean it with the highest proof alcohol your drug store has when you done. 91% should be easy to find.

>>60236582
My gut says whitening over mint.

>>60236539
I haven't found this ram on the list, but this work right? It's basically the same one but just a different amount? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181&ignorebbr=1

My first build, plan to order an RX 560 rather than the 470 when they're available later on this month.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J7Z2LD

Already ordered the PSU, caught that with a 20 dollar rebate and the case has been sitting around after I bought it off a shop that was going out of business for 5 bucks.


Anything glaringly wrong about it?

Is it a bad time to order a video card? Like, should I wait for Vega? I don't want to get a 580 when that can be spent on the Vega.

>>60236610
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J7Z2LD
looks breddy gud
try to find 2x4 RAM if possible though

>>60236623

I would just get an nvidia card 1070 1080 1080ti or even one of the 9 series off ebay or local craigslist depending on opportunities. Ive got a fury x I only use to drive 3 monitors on my linux box so I wont be waiting on amd video cards in the immediate future.

As for vega who knows it is taking forever. Ryzen was surprisingly good though. What kind of screen or screens are you running?

>>60236610
>>60236626

Id spring for 2x8gb but supposedly chrome wants to lower its memory usage. What does one stick even do to that processor?

>>60236650
>As for vega who knows it is taking forever.
It isn't, they said Q3, and we're in Q3 (ends at June 31)
There's still time for it to release and their very recent push for vega support in amd drivers indicates a soon release

>>60236602
>It's basically the same one
It's not, it's the same brand but it has different timings. It's a different model.
It might still work at 3200 MHz, but Gigabyte isn't giving a guarantee.
If you can wait, see if the AGESA update here in May makes it easier to choose RAM that just works.

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help for upgrade path?
current pc is pic related. built in 2012 with a newish RX470 for zcash mining. i don't really play many games so that's why im asking for opinions...

options/ideas:
1) get a new 1440/4K monitor - $400
2) new SSD (850 Evo) and win10 (we will be transitioning to win10 at work soon and i'd like some consistency to shorten the transition curve). would a newer SSD be noticeably faster? - $200
3) build a new mini-pc. it would be i7-7600k tier (or ryzen, haven't looked into it yet), 32gb ram, NVMe, 1070ish at a later date - $1000-$1200

it works pretty well these days for general productivity tasks and the newest game I play is starcraft II so i'm not hurting for FPS. just feels like I should upgrade since it's 5 years old...

>>60236691
s/Q3/Q2/

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Will I notice a difference in games from a GTX 780 to a GTX 1080i?

>>60236456
This is a mATX right? Multiple people have advised against it vs ATX but the only differences Ive read about are general airflow due to smaller size and less slots for ram and GPU that I wont be using anyway. 2x8 ram is plenty

>>60236731
New SSD will be negligible and you said you can do everything fine with your setup, so just get the nice monitor.

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>>60234331

>>60236626

Cool, was considering that anyway, ot at the very least 1x8 and I'm sure I have a 4 I can steal from one of the towers at my buddies and he won't notice at all.

>>60236679
I have no idea. I literally dove headfirst into this after elite Dangerous's latest update moved its requirements outside the range of playability for my laptop.

>>60236819
>1280x720
>low settings
What the fuck

>>60236798
yup, it indeed is. i tend to recommend mATX because realistically for most people there isn't something that truly requires ATX.

>>60236784
yes
no, it's not worth it

>>60236819
>91% usage
>87%
>100%
>90%
>100% again
>89%
And i keep seeing retards getting an i5 in /r/buildapc

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-memory-support-to-be-expanded-with-upcoming-microcode-update/

Hay guise, what does this mean? Wait on buying ram with Ryzen?

>>60236955
just means you'll have less trouble getting your ram to work at it's rated speed, or less trouble overclocking it beyond it's rated speed

We already know that samsung b die ram works the best for high clock on am4 motherboard, so if you want the highest clock speed: get that

>>60236983
thanks 4 explanation guy

>>60236955

they say samsung b di is the way to go now that means it will be expanded.

I'm thinking of getting a q9550 cpu for my 775 socket. Is there a more powerful cpu that supports my moba's socket?

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>>60236955
Seems good. On a related note, since getting into PC building what websites should I follow for news/reviews/benchmarks? Which to avoid?

>>60234048
I AM ANGRY INTERNET MAN GRRRRRRRRRR

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>>60233003
looking for a mini/ micro itx case
that will allow me to:

>overclock on air, no water cooling.
>good airflow
>not very noisy
>options for various HDDs/SDDs 2.5" or 3.5" if possible.
>slim slot optical drive (yeah I use it regularly)

the cheaper the better.

So far I looked at the cougar qbx but I'm not sure about it's cooling capabilities, I'd rather have big fans. 120mm and 80mm seems to old.

Also, what are the differences between the cougar qbx and the qbx kazee?

>>60237367
Just wait for the new Xbox.

MS will probably integrate a full Windows 10 ecosystem that coincides with Xbox OS.

>>60235866
ryzen 1700 and get a new gpu

>>60235985
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4s8kT
and the cucktel meme, seriously though that 7700k is pure housefire material

>>60236120
get a 470/570 instead, the 1050ti isnt worth it

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236041&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL050517&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL050517-_-EMC-050517-Index-_-DesktopMemory-_-20236041-S1A1C&ignorebbr=1

16gb 2666 for $109 good? Newegg promo.

RX 580 Red Dragon y/n? if not why?

>>60236850
>bottlenecking on the GPU on a CPU test

requesting the gaming ram chart

>>60233448
i'd use display driver uninstaller (ddu) first

>>60233658
lol what why would you need 5 fans

my mini itx case only has 2 (140 in front, 120 in back) and then ofc you've got your standard heatsink and gpu fans

Which motherboard for ryzen has the least latency and stuttering?

>>60233738
for an absolutely quiet build, i highly recommend be quiet (silentwings 3)

i get that you're trying to go for fanless here, but they really are inaudible

>>60237601
yes, its good and cheap

>>60237843
also, fractal design cases have sound padding

>>60237835
asrock taichi

What's a decent non-mechanical keyboard I can buy?

thoughts on this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RjzZd6

>>60237867
Why? How much latency does it have compared to other ryzen motherboards?

>>60233105
>>60233179
Stay fucking away from the Asus MG279Q or any other FreeSync IPS monitor.

>>60238023
fuck off with intel builds
they're lazy and shitty and only ricers want them

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>>60238023
[insert 1070]

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Just in stalled Windows 10 for the first time, how the FUCK do I debloat this motherfucker? Is there a /g/ guide?

>>60238200
i n s t a l l g e n t o o

Hey, sorry to have a non-contributing post, just curious about three things real quick.

1. where do you guys get your benchmarks? DO you just google a handful of games or is there a particular site you use?

2. Where do you get your Windows keys at? im downloading the ISO RN and im gonna assemble my first build in the morning.

3. What would you guys consider essential software? what should I put on the external harddrive in preparation for a brand new machine?

>>60233003
WHAT IS SOME GOOD DDR3 RAM FUCK

>>60235694
Like >>60235751 said, you're going to have to wait until the next AMD AGESA update.

My Ryzen 1700 on the Crosshair VI Hero does run at XMP profile speeds of 3200 but the difference is that I have 14CL RAM.

Right now Ryzen likes Samsung B-die single sided RAM and most of the 3200 Mhz kits working are Samsung B-die kits at 14CL

>>60237316
Do you mind not going out of your way to act retarded on a dedicated help thread?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hWrCy
Just bought this. How did I do? Never built a computer before. The 4gb ram is from my laptop and I got the gpu at the store so they might not be exactly the same.

>>60238412
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hWrCy
we dont help intel shills

get a ryzen and we'll talk. seriously, intel is outdated now and ryzen is cheaper and better

>>60238424
Is it really that much better? I think I could cancel the order. Doesnt ryzen have issues with nvidia?

>>60238412
>>60238424
Kinda of this. But I think you did a decent job. Just be careful setting up the liquid cpu cooler. You didn't over spend on a power supply so props for that.

>>60238432
Don't get Ryzen. It's shit at anything useful or games. AMD hired a shill department to scour every major forum on the internet to discourage Intel shares because their CPU can't hold its own otherwise.

just out of curiosity what is wrong with the amd fx chips? i dont really know what makes a cpu good. educate me /g/.

>>60238485
It was more of a disappointment than Ryzen was, which is saying something

>>60238525
could you go into more detail? i really want to know more

>>60238456
>5 shekels have been deposited into your account.

>>60238231
Google "mdl microsoft toolkit" or "mdl kmspico" to fine the appropriate official threads on MyDigitalLife. Either will work. If you also have to validate Office, Microsoft Toolkit should cover that too.

>>60236610
Also, regarding this one... should I be stubborn and stick with windows 7, or bit the bullet and get windows 10?

>>60238552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgejkSWzvNs Watch this. I'm not smart enough to explain it like this guy does. However, I can say that they their architecture really shows the cpu's age.

>>60238485
read the thread. intel shits are jealous that amd actually released a better cpu for the first time since the start of the dualcore days and now their processors are outdated. 8 physical cores with an i700 vs 4 physical cores of an i7 7700k

look at the recent benchmark tests. the ryzen smokes the 7700k out of the water, and is much cooler as well

>>60238552
Like Ryzen, it was shit at single-threaded tasks (it's benchmark was worse than the 65nm Core2 era Intel CPUs and even AMD's own K10, which the FX chips were supposed to replace) and it was shit at multi-threaded programs that didn't get shilled heavily by AMD's marketing department. It' L3$ latencies were so bad (even slower than accessing memory) that AMD ditched putting L3$ in favor of larger L2$, but in doing so the L2$ had slower access times and higher cache misses because AMD gonna AMD.
The FX-9590 is WORSE than the i7-2700K, and that was a 200W+ TDP CPU with 5.0GHz boost frequency compared to a modest 90W TDP 2700K at 3.5GHz.

There is a reason why every single modern AMD CPU is considered a joke everywhere.

>>60238552
While it's false that no games use more than 4-6 cores, you do get diminishing returns and if the XFR feature is actually worth it that would likely add more single core performance, which is good in the majority of games.

Keep in mind, even in games that would utilize 8 cores, you only see, say, a 10-25% improvement or so from utilizing them over a 6 core. And that's in games that use them.

So...TODAY, I would probably say 1600x.

Now, 5 years from now, that's the question. If multithreaded games become more and more frequent, and we've been seeing more and more over the past year, 8 cores might eventually show its usefulness. But in the short term the 6 core with higher clocks is going to be the superior option. Most games dont use 8 cores and the ones that do only benefit, at most, like 25% from it.

You can actually view the rundown of my argument for more cores here.

https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5ui1bd/why_getting_more_than_4_cores_in_a_gaming_cpu_is/

As you can see, the gains for 8 cores over 6 generally is less than or equal to the boost from 4-6.

Those are the MOST multithreaded games I could find. many games don't benefit AT ALL from more than 4 cores and as such higher clock speeds is more important.

So I'd say the 1600x is the better deal NOW, but the 1700 might eventually be better like 5 years from now.

>>60238643
>this obvious shilling
kys senpai, no one cares about your DOA product

The x370 taichi was in stock for like 12 hours today on newegg, finally got a chance to order one. Now I just have to wait for Vega.

>>60238552
Main argument for me:

The Ruzen is more than enough for me today
I think newer games will be better optimized for more cores
The Ryzen hover around 60% usage while an intel i7 is maxed out so there is much more headroom for optimization

>>60238552
Ryzen looks fantastic for gamers, all the hitches that are cratering performance in gaming seem to be related to new platform bugs rather than hardware inferiority. The major one being SMT performance (where disabling is putting it at 95%) and poor performing ram (Samsung IC's req for higher frequencies).

Gamers differ from enthusiasts. An enthusiast might consider the 99th percentile performance of today and be ok upgrading their entire platform in 2 years for the 99th percentile performance then as well. A gamer typically upgrades their platform in 5 year cycles. Making an 8core/16t chip a far better proposition at the 90-95% performance for today and the 85-90% performance 3 years from now and 80% performance 5 years from now.

Rather than the 99% performance for today, 85% performance 3 years from now, and 60% performance 5 years from now. Which was the exact trajectory between C2D and C2Q as games began taking full advantage of quadcores. One of those processors is still capable of the minimum. While the other? Has been dead for years.

I am updating my build using these parts.
Corsair DDR4 16GB 2400
Crucial MX300 525GB
Intel Core i7-7700
GIGABYTE GA-Z270P-D3 LGA1151 Intel Z270

I already have PSU, GPU, and case from my current build. Any thoughts?

AMD Please release a 6C/12T CPU with IGPU PLEASE!

>>60238236
stop being poor and buy a ddr4 platform

>>60238707
you could save yourself money and just get a 1600 and OC it to the levels of your intel 7700 while having 6 physical cores

this is a pretty good am4 motherboard if anyone is looking for an atx board

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c2DzK8/msi-b350-pc-mate-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-pc-mate

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>>60238456
t. the intel shill

>>60238655
t. the intel shill

(you)

>>60238707
>i7
wew lad you are making a mistake

>>60238707
you do realize that the current intel line up is a dead socket right? if you plan to get a better cpu in the future you will have to buy a completely new mobo for it. why are you wasting money?

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>>60238729
Like Clockwork.

>>60238741
>>60238729
samefag

Kill yourself, shit for brains.

>>60238726
good price
do you have this one or something?

Honestly future proofing is a hard term. Computerbase.de says that Ryzen 7 1800X is in between 7600k and 7700k in games. That's not a bad score but they generally choose new and CPU demanding games.

There are also issues with SMT atm which do decrease scores in many titles by 5-10%. Once they are taken care of this CPU will at the very least match i5-7600k in games rather than sometimes dropping into i5-7400 range. There's also a big chance of outperforming 7700k as more games migrate towards more cores (atm it's around 40-50% of new AAA titles it seems so its not too bad but still easy enough to find ones that dislike Zen).

With that in mind - I probably would pick Ryzen 7 1700 instead of 7700k. Not the 1800X however, it offers way worse price to performance value considering both these processors have unlocked multiplier anyway so the only question is how expensive of a motherboard you need to reach 3.7-4.0 GHz on the cheaper one. If all it takes is a good B350 or relatively cheap X370 one (rather than a flagship mobo) then it's in my opinion a better choice than 7700k overall. As it doesn't lose much to it in games and very likely will get only better.

>>60238788
yeah i do. its worked like a charm. though the max ram speed i reached is 2933mhz.

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You told me there will be no cheap vega in 1070 range
and who was right? Vega c3 bitches. My 1080p max detail gpu.

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Are there any AM4 mini-itx Mobos that I could buy right now?

Which ddr4-3200 ram brand do I pick for ryzen 1700?

>>60238851
dont fall for the 3200 meme

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>>60238768
>day one benchmarks
>relevant
pick one

>>60238852
idk what you mean?

>>60238851
tridentz

A good Budget CPU Cooler?
The stock one on my case is noisy as fuck and could do better.

When is the 560 releasing? It was supposed to be out in mid april, but there's been nothing.

>>60238870
is corsair vengeance anygood?

reminder that the only good intel product is a xeon

>>60238957
Pushed back to may.

>>60238929
hyper 212 evo goes for around $30 right now

>>60238929
i'm looking for a CPU cooler as well. some reviews said cryorig h7 is good as well

>>60239075
Any chance they gave a reason? Get the feeling the 560 is going to be a joke.

>>60239259
Hype, also to string out people who were going to get a 560 and try and goad them into a 570/80?

If it's the price it's forecast to be (100usd), and hits even just the marks that a similar 470 does it'll be worth it.

>>60239297
>hits even just the marks that a similar 470
1/2 the stream processors, 1/2 the texture units, 1/2 the rops, and 1/2 the memory bus, and you think this thing will "touch" a 470? And here I was, thinking I was nuts for wanting the 560 to compete proper with the 1050ti.

>>60238929
don't fall for the evo meme.
deepcool gammxx 400 is god tier.

How will an r5 1600x Paired with an rx580 on a 1080p monitor run WoW? I'm getting a 144hz and want to get up there in FPS.

>>60233105
I'm getting the viewsonic xgr2401

I just want to play a game maxed out at 1080p 60fps+ with NO STUTTERING.

I'm stuck between the i5 7600k and the 1700.

>>60239259
560 are different wafers. They aren't made simultaneously. Simple as that.

>>60239737
go look at benchmarks.
I'm pretty sure a 1400 with an RX560 would do 144fps in WoW.
I'm not sure why you need a computer capable of running new AAA games in 1440p to run WoW at 1080p.

How do I decide how much ram I should buy? I use space engine, mfsx, xplane 11, auto cad and blender. I have 4gb of ram in my current system and am planning to build a new one.

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7700k stutters. Games are not buttery smooth. They stutter. A lot. No point in wasting money.

Plus you can't even oc it past 4ghz.

Should I buy a "heatsink" for ryzen 1700 if I won't overclock?

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>>60239979
Not him but Nu-WoW has some...interesting performance due to the graphical overhaul.

Evidently the 25 man raid portion on a giant crystal scorpion thing is a destroyer of PCs.

She really isn't a good toaster PC MMO anymore, not like before.

What I'd rather know is how well Tera runs on Ryzen though, now that game is an absolute destroyer of everything ever. It doesn't give a fuck about anything and you'd almost be better off rolling with the most powerful dual core in existence.

>>60239979
youre obviously clueless

>>60240184
I saw a youtube video in a town with 100 people on screen and a G4560 and 1050Ti was doing like 110-170fps.
A 1400 OC to 3.8GHz and a RX560 should do better.

It runs GW2 and shit fine, as well.

god the i7 7700k stutters so bad fallout 4 microstuttering like crazy

New thread.

>>60240395
>>60240395
>>60240395

Is the new OP better or worse than this previous one?

>>60233105
>100Hz+
>24"+
all you need sempai