/pcbg/ - PC Building General

I want to refine the OP a bit but too tired right now, and busy lately.
I think it'd be best to list best values at price points and usages.
People seem to get confused
Also driver updates for both Nvidia and AMD have heavily closed to gap on some games that used to be poor performance outliers on either. (AMD is now way better on quantum break, overwatch, and GR wildlands where it sucked at before. Nvidia is now way better on Deus Ex, and The Division, where it sucked before)
But it comes down to Freesync being far more widely adopted, and far cheaper, where you end up pretty much paying 1070 price for a 1060+gsync monitor compared to rx580+freesync.

Also RX460 performance has massively increased, which has been overlooked, and now roughly matches the 1050Ti yet can be found at $70-$85. The RX560 should be faster, and if cheap enough may be worthwhile. (at $100 is usually where I'd say the 1050Ti was maybe worth it)

RX550 is not worth it unless $50-$60 (currently MSRP is $80)

It should be clear with how it says
>1060 & 1070 are worth considering if you already have a Gsync monitor.
but people often still don't get it. idk.

Go with ryzen for running virtualbox in Ubuntu?

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>>60227560
>virtualbox
>ryzen
biggest duh there ever was.

>>60227600
wow, and this is with a 1600x?
christ

what are some great CPU coolers to get for a Ryzen 1600 / 1700 that I plan to OC?

>>60227692
Just use stock cooler.

>>60227702
everywhere I read says the stock cooler gets kinda hot if you OC the Ryzen to 3.7 / 3.8

>>60227692
Anything.
6 core ryzen max OC's TDP is something like a 4.5GHz sandybridge
As long as you use some kind of tower cooler you'll probably get to whatever max clock your silicon lottery has dealt you.

>>60227692
If you want 4-4.1GHz, a 140-180w TDP cooler is really all you need. Ryzen runs cool as long as you don't try to pass that 1.35-1.4v wall.
H7 is nice, but you will have to send them pictures as proof of purchase and wait a few days to get your bracket.
Le Grand Macho is 140w TDP passive, and I think 320w if you stick a decent fan on it. It's reasonably priced and comes with an AM4 bracket if you get one manufactured in 2017.
There's other options. Just search AM4 coolers and look for ones that are at least 140w TDP.

>>60227716
That's probably the 1700.
6 core ryzen's start getting toasty on stock at 3.9GHz

>>60227716
3.7 should be fine. 3.8 will depend on your chip and your case airflow but it's still doable.

>>60227600
With a 1600x too. Bye Intel.

>>60227692
2v2 evo, be quiet! Pure Rock / Shadow Rock Slim, Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK, CRYORIG H5 Universal, anything noctua that is over $40, corsair h50, etc etc etc
Hell, even $20 are good

>>60227716
This is indeed right, the stock cooler handles decent OC but runs quite (assuming full or 70% load), wouldn't particualrly recommend

>>60227482
>RX550 is not worth it unless $50-$60 (currently MSRP is $80)
why not. It's currently 100 euros in germany and I think it'll be enough. What should I go for then if I want to play blizzshit games with good fps?

>>60227765
The 560 is going to be barely 20€ more and will run laps around it.

>>60227765
Hardware unboxed did a G4560+RX550 video and came to the same conclusion I got to.
Pretty good GPU, but should be $60 not $80. or 75 EUR in your case.
You can currently get a 7970 or 280 used for $65-$85 which is much better, though higher power consumption and not new with warranty.

The RX560 is expected to only be $20-$35 more, and twice as fast.
If the RX550 was $50-$60, then it'd be half as fast for half the price. That makes sense.
The RX560 is looking like it'll be incredibly good value for anyone that plays older games or who can play stuff on medium.
It should be 30% faster than the 1050Ti yet cost the same or less. That was more than I expected. I didn't realize Polaris drivers improved THAT much. The RX460 used to be quite a bit behind the 1050Ti and the RX560 is a much, much bigger improvement over the RX460 than the RX580 is an improvement over the RX480.

Only reason to get an RX550 before it drops in price is if you just need the minimum for 6 monitor support.

Originally built my PC with some hand-me-downs and some solid components, and now I'd like to do it right. How does this look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrXZD8

>>60227942
You absolutely do not need a 280mm AIO to cool a 6700K, even if it's delidded that's way too much cooling for a chip that can output like, 180watts of heat at its peak.

>>60227942
Looks good
The 650w is pretty unneeded, could drop easily to 550w or even 500w

>>60228000

Honestly, the only reason I went with a 280mm is because 140mm fans are so much quieter.

>>60228002

Noted, I'll downsize that.

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This kid has a better rig than you.
What's your excuse?

>>60228095
i don't browse reddit

>>60227865
Well. I will wait for the rx560 then.

>>60228069
>I went with a 280mm is because 140mm fans are so much quieter.
That's fair, consider a 140mm AIO instead.
You don't really save much money wise but the size is much more manageable.

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>>60228095
I'm a worthless, unemployable waste of space who can't do anything right.

>>60227942
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrXZD8
>4 sticks of 2400
sell those and get 2x8GB of something better.
>2560x1080
fuck no. Do you really have no idea how terrible that is? To only have 1080 vertical pixels yet all that width? Why the fuck do you want 360 less vertical pixels? It's retarded.
Jesus. It's fucking $580, too.
You can get a 144hz IPS 2560x1400 freesync monitor for $400-$500.

>>60228095
Rich older guys aren't trying and get in my pants anymore.

1050 TI OR 1060 3GB????

NO AMD PLS!!!

>>60228095

My parents didn't love me that much.

>>60228154
Are you upgrading from a 970?

>>60228154
I know that dilemma.
I want a faster card but I don't think 3GB is enough of an upgrade over my 2GB 770.
If you have a decent enough card now, just wait it out.
If not the 1060 is better enough to be worth the price.

>>60228154
>NO AMD PLS!!!
Why?
Leave this general if you aren't here to listen to our advices

>>60228146

Because i'm going to use it for mostly racing sims where detail doesn't matter, but refresh rate does.

Also, I'll change the RAM.

On a different note, I've watched some reviews of gsync and freesync and they say that when it's enabled you lose a lot of FPS for marginal performance difference. Why does /g/ mention it all the time?

>>60228172
UPGRADING FROM HD 4600 INTEGRATED GRAFIX

>>60228191
AMD MORE EXPENSIVE HERE IDK WHY!!!!

>>60228206
What country?

>>60228212
PHILIPPINE ISLANDS

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>>60228220
STOP FUCKING SCREAMING

>>60228220
>>60228220
hows DU30 treating ya?

GETTING THE 1060 3GB THEN SINCE I ONLY GAME ON 768P

>>60228270
>768P
That card is best suited for 1080p/1440p my man

>>60228270
You might as well get a second hand 960 or something if you're only running a resolution like that

>>60228220
>>60228270
>768p
lmao just get a 1050 non-ti.

>>60228193
>refresh rate
>144hz is somehow more than 144hz
nigga what

>gsync and freesync and they say that when it's enabled you lose a lot of FPS for marginal performance difference
Where do you see this..?
Link.

>>60228193
>you lose a lot of FPS for marginal performance difference.
What other metric of performance is there other than FPS?
Frametime? I would sacrifice FPS for consistent frametimes every times

>>60228363

>144hz is somehow more than 144hz

I'd rather have 1080p @ 120fps than 1440p @70fps. AI drags down fps.

And as far as the freesync/gsync thing,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzsKeBxQN40 @ 9:15

[PCPartPicker part list](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6KLsf8) / [Price breakdown by merchant](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6KLsf8/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD - RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kPzK8/amd-ryzen-7-1700-30ghz-8-core-processor-yd1700bbaebox) | $316.88 @ OutletPC
**CPU Cooler** | [CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7) | $34.99 @ Newegg Marketplace
**Motherboard** | [MSI - X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBH48d/msi-x370-gaming-pro-carbon-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-gaming-pro-carbon) | $173.29 @ OutletPC
**Memory** | [Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p6RFf7/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16) | $134.49 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FrH48d/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam) | $179.00 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Pshj4D/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-ftw-gaming-acx-30-video-card-08g-p4-6276-kr) | $379.99 @ Newegg
**Case** | [Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sjX2FT/fractal-design-case-fdcadefr5bk) | $104.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Power Supply** | [EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9q4NnQ/evga-power-supply-220g20650y1) | $88.49 @ OutletPC
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1447.12
| Mail-in rebates | -$35.00
| **Total** | **$1412.12**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2017-05-05 10:32 EDT-0400 |

>>60228495
woooow you literally understood nothing that was said there.
You are actually retarded.

And yes, no shit gsync/freesync does nothing when framecapped at the refresh rate.
That "reviewer" is retarded, and you're more retarded.

>>60228495
It doesn't say anything at all about lowering FPS.

>>60228555

Then why is it dragging down an unlimited FPS to 50-65?

>>60228550

What didn't I understand?

>>60228534
Do you actually make use of the eight cores of the R7 1700?
Are you gonna SLI, Xfire or use all these PCIex16? If not, dropping to a b350 motherboard would be a wiser idea, they're pretty good.
Could downgrade your PSU a little bit if you want, that build would run fine even on 430w. 550w would be ideal.

>>60228581
>Then why is it dragging down an unlimited FPS to 50-65?
The guy doing the video caused it, because the effect of freesync and gsync are the most noticeable at low framerate.

Is the Taichi still the king of Ryzen boards, or is there another reasonable contender?

>>60228095
Faggotry aside I miss the feeling of being that happy and proud of things :(((

I'm selling my 980ti on ebay but people keep lowballing me on best offers. like offering $200 when the listing is over $300

what price are people actually buying them at? I'm trying to get a buyer for $275+ but nobody seems to be biting. It's kind of annoying, I splurged on a 1080ti and want some of my money back

>>60228613
i'm proud of you anon

>>60228603
Crosshair is good if you BIOS UPDATE RIGHT FUCKING AWAY
Aorus is good.

>>60228600

Real question. He can cap at 144 and it doesn't change, but it fluctuates at low FPS when he enables G-sync. Why is that?

tfw RX580 8GB in the mail

can't wait to put my old trusty HD6870 back into it's box

>>60228095
>single CPU
nah

>>60228619
haha you can sell Fury X's for $350 for some fucking reason.
But yeah it seems 980Ti go for $250-$275.

>>60228632
Maybe you should watch the video more closely and get the dicks out of ur ears

>>60228632
>but it fluctuates at low FPS when he enables G-sync.
no it doesn't
listen to what he says.

>>60228622
Thanks.

Alright guys...I'm gonna do it, just give me one final blessing
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/br7DNN

>>60228644

GO FUCK YOURSELF, ASSHOLE

Good luck not understanding what's actually going on enough to answer the question properly, and instead just flinging insults like a fucking dickbag.

>>60228646

I am listening, and he says the 'frame rate and refresh rate sync up and it just works' but I don't see why the refresh rate of the monitor would affect the FPS coming out of the graphics card. I guess there's a fundamental part of the mechanics that I'm missing.

>>60228670
is this for 1080p gaming? if so I would save some money and go for a 470/570. When capping at 60fps you wont notice the difference between a card that can pull 65 vs 70

but if you're solid on the 580 then it's a good build. god speed.

>>60228712
>Good luck not understanding what's actually going on enough to answer the question properly,
>I guess there's a fundamental part of the mechanics that I'm missing.
you are dumb

>>60228720
Ya but for 50 eurobucks i think it's pretty good to get an 8gb 580 instead of a 4gb 570/470
I hope i'll be able to put it all together tho

>>60228723

Obviously you're not any smarter.

Just gave away my gtx 1080TI to my friend because FPS in battlefield 1 dropped below 130

>>60228778
that's probably because of your CPU anon

Everyone, give me your input. Is there any reason to get a 1700 over a 1600? Between graphic design, games, virtual machines and who knwos what else could happen in the future.

>>60228751
It'll also probably sell for $30-50 more in a couple of years when you hock it on ebay.
Unless you wait too long because once they go below the $100 mark used cards start to all cost around the same.
I saw a 8800GTS go for $30 a few weeks back.
I dont know what that guy wanted that card for but I don't think a 8800GTS is as valuable as 1/3rd of a 550

>>60228800
>Is there any reason to get a 1700 over a 1600
it's 33% better in things that are embarrassingly parallel.
Easiest comparison you can make. It's the same shit with 2 more cores.

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Seems like a legit deal. Should i get it?

>>60228826
Really not that great. There have been deals for DDR4 3000 at $100 the past week. And it's just CL 15-17-17

>>60228826
How the hell is that a deal?
3200MHz 16GB is slightly cheaper

>>60228826
meh.

>>60228826
What the fuck how can this be a deal?

What's the best graphics card for $1.00?

>>60228876
>>60228879
>>60228880
>>60228884
It's the only white RAM I know of and would go with my build

Im autistic

>>60228889
Integrated

>>60228898
buy regular ram with a heatsink, take the heatsink off, spraypaint the outside

>>60228898
Also stupid
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236038

>>60228898
get sticks without heatsink and get a white heatsink for them.

Buying a new PC:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KsFZd6

Is it alright?

Whats a good cooler for the 7700k?

>>60228944
get a z270 mobo, otherwise you wont be able to boot with that current one using the 7700k without updating the bios first

which means you'd need another CPU in there to update the bios beforehand

also >intel
why not get a ryzen CPU which is the better bang for your buck and proven benchmaks show that the Ryzen is just as good as the 7700k, and better when multicores are used?

>>60228954
A delid is the best cooler for kaby lake.
Not even meming. You can get 5GHz on a $20 cooler if you delid kabylake and replace the TIM with that liquid metal shit.

>>60229013
keep in mind this isn't recommended and you could actually kill your CPU doing this

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>>60228954
no cooler can handle a 7700k that's not delided, if you're not lucky.
it is hellfire incarnate.

>>60228968
>get a z270 mobo, otherwise you wont be able to boot with that current one using the 7700k without updating the bios first
Well shit, people said it was gonna be fine before.
Any recommendations for a not too pricey one?

>why not get a ryzen CPU which is the better bang for your buck and proven benchmaks show that the Ryzen is just as good as the 7700k, and better when multicores are used?
I hadn't considered it because it wasn't available a couple of days ago and when I asked at the place where I plan to buy, they said "Oh it could be months before they are available here."

I checked and it's out now in my country. I guess it's worth considering. 100 bucks cheaper. But isn't "just as good" a bit of a stretch? I mean all I know is the r5 has a lot of room for improvement and doesn't have a 90%+ load on all of it's cores.

I really hope this will be the last revision so I can finally buy that thing.

>>60228968
Frame stuttering and optimization for Intel chips. You get less of that on games/Windows 10 with Intel.

What part would I benefit the greatest from in upgrading

Current:
i5 2320
GTX 660
8GB OEM Ram from 6 years ago
23" 1920 x 1080 LED Samsung monitor from 5 years ago


Have about $500 to spend. Think of just getting a 1080

>>60228968
>>60229049
>MSI Z270-A Pro
Actually this is the mainboard I planned to use in my build, I just misclicked on pcpartpicker.
Guess I'm fine.

>>60229063
video card

>>60229052
>you get less stuttering on intel
someone post the image

>>60229084
would any of my other parts limit my card though?

>>60229084
Maybe none video cards aren't essential a normie pc

>>60229063
Only get a 1080 if you think you'll be upgrading the rest to something real good in the next 6 months, and even then you might want to wait for vega.
Otherwise the GPU is definitely the way to go, just pick up something around the performance level of a 1050/460. A used 960 or 370 will also work.

>>60229063
Buy a 2500k from ebay
then wait for vega

>>60229101
your whole computer would be bottlenecked no matter what you upgraded

but the best value right now you can get is a video card. don't get a 1080 unless you plan to upgrade other stuff later on. otherwise just get somethin cheap like a 1060

>>60229101
Depends on the card and resolution.
You could probably not bottleneck a 1080ti with that if it was at 4K but at 1080 the CPU and ram will be a limiting factor around the 470 level.

When productivity spills over into gaming like it does for so many who like to play games with friends, and chat online, and listen to music, and not have to close all their background apps, and keep steam open, and screen record hilarious moments, and watch twitch on their seperate old monitor...

Yeah when productivity bleeds into gaming, then Ryzen becomes a pure gaming CPU.

I think another one of AdoredTV's points was that Ryzen simply has more headroom to be tapped into than Many Lake. I don't know why anyone would recommend handicaping yourself in all other departments and potentially in the only one you care about as well: gaming.

This is why I see the recommendation of Kaby Lake for gaming as a long term solution to be highly problematic, unless it's for elite gamers or FPS junkies who need the best NOW! As Steam polls suggest, most people are looking for 1080p60fps with the ability to do a few others things and not worry about stuttering or maxing out all their cores.

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>already had my new PC figured out
>R5 finally arrives in my country
>not sure if I should stick to the i7 7700K or the R5 1600X
Can anybody talk me into either choice? I'm terrible at making decisions, especially since I don't know shit about current hardware.

>>60229165
why would you get the 1600X?

get the 1600 and OC it to the 1600X levels or higher

>>60229165
monitor?

>>60229202
17" 1280 x 720

>>60229165
7700k is way better than 1600x, if you have it already, just stick with it. If you switch to Ryzen, you'll deal with motherboard issues and probably buy different ram since Ryzen can't into no samsung rams.

Wait for Zen 2 and see if AMD increases single core performance and fix their shit.

>inb4 amd shills

>>60228095
>PNY

LOL!

That feeling when you push your budget for pc parts and you have no money for a monitor :'(

>>60229165
If you want stutter and high temps and low core amount which will be on 100% at most of the time get the i7 7700k. If you want smooth gameplay (a bit lower average FPS but consistent) and something which will last you for the years to come get the Ryzen.

>>60229214


It doesn't, but the Intel CPU everyone's talking about here is within 10% of the price of the Ryzen 1700 and outperforms the 1800x in the applications that prompted this discussion (gaming). Ryzen stomps Intels x99 CPUs in highly multithreaded applications, don't oversell it's performance in low thread count applications or you'll wind up with a load of disappointed Ryzen owners who'll buy Intel next time.

I haven't built a PC in 7 years so I'm very out of the loop. I'm trying to build a gaming Mini ITX and my build currently has:
>Thermaltake V1 Cube with 200mm front and *maybe* two 80mm fans rear (description unclear if rear fans come with it)
>MSI B250l Mini ITX motherboard
>i5-7500 (no plans to overclock)
>Gigabyte GTX 1070 (the 169mm kind)
>Ballistix Sport DDR4-2400 16GB
>Raidmax Scorpio 535W (80+ Bronze)

Will I need any additional cooling? Or is this looking good?

>>60229212
>17" 1280 x 720
lmao? just get a g4560

>>60229214
>just buy 7700k now and replace the motherboard and CPU in 9 months.

>>60229247
>i5-7500
it's bad

>>60229013
>>60229033

I guess I should mention that I don't plan on overclocking it anytime soon. I'm just looking for a good fan to go with it.

>>60229214
I mean... you're probably not even going to notice the difference right now... but you're insane if you don't think games are going to start taking advantage of the cores. With AMD hardware in the next generation consoles and now affordable CPUs with more than 4 cores it will happen fast. It didn't make sense to put the effort in for most developers when 99% of their target market had 4 cores max. I dunno... as a recent 7700k owner I found the "upgrade" from my 5775c to actually be a downgrade in most games (probably due to the lack of L4 cache on the 7700k) and despite being outperformed by the 5775c it is also less power efficient. It's like Intel went backwards in 2 generations? I disable the on-chip GPU but I believe even that is inferior to the 5775c.

CPU advancements have been underwhelming for nearly a decade - I have an i7 980 machine I built over 7 years ago still chugging along and for a lot of tasks it outperforms the 7700k. It's nice to know how Intel reacts to a lack of competition - we need to make sure that never happens again. AMD stopped being competitive... progress came to a virtual hault for 7 years. Other than node reductions they've been giving us the bare minimum over and over. I can't support them again - the 7700k will be my last Intel CPU.

>>60229240
> and outperforms the 1800x in the applications that prompted this discussion (gaming).

5% higher ARITHMETIC AVERAGE FPS but shitty frametimes is not an indicator of a better CPU, Schlomo.

>>60229258
Not this horseshit again. Not every game is an optimized AAA game - look at games like Starcraft 2. And 8C chips have been in consoles for years now. Most people i know are like "uh 7700k is faster in games ill buy that one" - this may be idiotic but its true. The world is not /r/amd - 4Cs will still dominate marketshare for quite some time.

>>60229196
To be fair, out of box 1600X single threaded performance is about as good as it's going to get since ryzen's turbo utility is really quite good.
1600's turbo is quite a bit lower so you'll have to overclock it all the way to 4GHz to get to the same performance the 1600X has with no effort.
That might be worth the $30 to some people.

>>60229272
Using a Blizzard game is kind of a bad example with an argument. They design their games so a potato can run on it to reach the largest audience possible.

>>60229284
Depends - with enabled physics SC2 fuckin chokes CPUs. In PCGHs benchmark scene even a 7700K cant keep 60fps while a FX9590 drops to freaking 10 fps.

>>60229251
>9 months

I doubt we will see Ryzen 2 that soon.

>>60229196
Don't know shit about OCing.

>>60229202
What does it matter?
iiyama G-MASTER GE2788HS-B1

>>60229214
I don't have it yet, I want to buy a new PC.
I mean the 7700k certainly is better in performance tests, but there's always people with statements to make you insecure like >>60229234
With the whole thing of the 7700K already having reached it's limits and the R5 having loads of room to improve.

I also have hard time judging on how well multithreaded games are these days to take avantage of MOAR CORES. Because a lof of games don't seem to be properly coded for that.

>>60229306

Zen+ at least needs a bit over a year to ramp, I think, and if they are shrinking to 7 nm, it might take longer.

>>60229300
How the hell does this shit get posted lol. I have multiple programs running with a i3 and it never gets clogged and you are telling me the i7-7700k will struggle. Come on.

>>60229308
>I mean the 7700k certainly is better in performance tests.

Show me one graph where the frametimes of the 7700k is better than a Ryzen and I will shut up.

>protip: you can't

>>60229329
look at somewhere like r/buildapc or tomshardware or overclock.net pretty much every single recommendation for a pure gaming pc has been an i5, fuck people happily game with i3s (or now pentiums thanks to HT )

suddenly an i7 'chokes' and stutters all the time and you need even when an i5 is more than enough for 90% of users.

suddenly every single person on r/amd is a heavy multi tasker with 3 monitors and has to encode videos whilst streaming and playing games...

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>>60229257
Some people buy 240mm AIOs and they still spike to over 80C on a stock 7700k.
Good luck.

>>60229258
Games already use 6 cores fine. The 4 cores of the 7700k are simply strong enough to usually push out as many frames as possible. Same for the 1600x almost, plus the 1600X is generally smoother.

>>60229272
Ryzen pushes plenty of FPS in SC2. Even a g4560 does 60fps.

>>60229306
q1 2018.

>>60229308
Because refresh rate matters.
That's 60hz so even a 1500X will push it to the limits of the frames you can even display.

>>60229336
Watch Dogs 2. You shouldn't have just said "one". There's a few games with known issues, especially with Nvidia GPUs. But on average the 1600X is better for smoothness.

I can't tell the difference beetween Gigabyte AORUS GA-AX370-GAMING 5 at 240€ and ASUS PRIME X370-PRO at 190€. Apart for 1 more RJ45 and higher DDR4 RAM speed what justifies a 50€ difference ? Is it obvious to go for the Asus prime ?

>>60229272
>4Cs will still dominate marketshare for quite some time.
Which is exactly why anything higher is actually reasonable?
Why on earth would you want your game to be on the same fucking cores as your operating system and everything else as well?

>>60229308
If you really want to go the Ryzen route, I'll go for the 1700.

>7700k runs hot
Do you really think Ryzen doesn't? It only runs 10c less than 7700k.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,4987-8.html

>>60229357
My i7 4790k just shit the bed (somehow, it's only been 3.5 years and I never overclocked), so I bit the bullet and bought a 1700. Still waiting for x370 motherboards to be in stock, but yeah the productivity aspect was too appealing to pass up for me.

>>60229251
I don't need more than a 7500 for my purposes. I don't multitask or play more than 1 game at a time.

>>60229348

>Suddenly an i7 'chokes' and stutters all the time and you need even when an i5 is more than enough for 90% of users.

Because AMD was sleeping for far too long and only now people realized how shit Intel is. Deal with it Schlomo, Intel is an overpriced stuttering piece of shit.

>>60229336
>protip: you can't
Damn right I can't, I'm the tech idiot here asking for advice. I just saw some benchmarks which were glorifying the i7.

>>60229373
That last point I don't think is conclusive just yet. Clearly there are some severe scheduling problems inside Win10. When you see such low core utilization, coupled with SMT causing negative performance scaling, in the face of raw IPC benchmarks that show significantly stronger single thread performance, something s clearly fucky with what MS is doing with the Ryzen CPUs. Hopefully MS don't drag their feet, and get their shit in check, and likewise AMD with board partners for fresh firmware to properly facilitate it.

I don't see any reason why a Ryzen CPU running at 100% core utilization couldn't be just fine for 144hrz+ gaming. And even to that end, given the consistent frametimes we have seen, Ryzen makes a great case for Freesync/GSync use.

Aside from that last bit, I agree completely.

>>60229373
7700K runs hot enough for intel to ask people to stop overclocking, so yes, it's an issue

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>>60229348
>suddenly an i7 'chokes' and stutters all the time and you need even when an i5 is more than enough for 90% of users.
Because compared to an FX8350, the i5s were better in the vast majority of cases.
The i5s still stuttered, and many of us were recommending the 6700k over over the 6600k but were overwhelmed by the "lol 6600k and 6700k are exactly the same for gaymes" shitposts.

It's no longer i5 compared to FX. And with the 1080Ti, benchmarks are less often GPU bottlenecked which show how much worse performing 4c/4t is to 4c/8t. Though there were plenty of benchmarks in the past for games that showed this, that people conveniently ignored and drowned out with retardo spam.

So I upgraded my old oc'd Phenom II x4 to a R7 1700 on launch and really it's been a dream. At 1080p everything is silky smooth, and I can have an adaptive noise filter running, be in a discord call, have a browser game open (I have anti-idle the game up pretty much 24/7), have about a dozen tabs open, AND still stream the game (Either with twitch, or with my friends watching me through Steam) with no noticeable hit to FPS.

I understand it's not for everyone, but I couldn't imagine a better processor for my use case for 330 bucks.

>>60229388
Are you retarded or something? I just told you that Ryzen CPU's have superior frametimes even though the average FPS is lower. Better frametimes = less stuttering = better overall experience.

A Youtuber named AdoredTV made a youtube video about the press 'losing the plot'. Basically in the video he makes these most important points about why Ryzen scores lower on gaming benchmarks than expected.

1) Windows is not optimized for Ryzen (for example Windows defaults to 'Balanced' performance settings on Ryzen whereas it defaults to 'Performance' on Intel)

2) Motherboard drivers/firmware are new

3) Games are not optimized for Ryzen

4) The game benchmarks were core utilization were shown, show that all cores on the Ryzen processors weren't fully utilized (some being as low as 34%) whereas all the cores on the Intel were maxed out in utilization.

5) The review benchmarks showed a use case that does not commonly exist. Nobody actually buys a processor like the Ryzen 1800x to game at 1080p on normal settings.

6) The same thing happened with bulldozer AMD processors where they lagged behind the comparable Intel processor in gaming performance (at then 640x480), but the gap closed the processor's lifecycle, when the tests were run at later dates with the same conditions (indicating maturity of the processor) and even competing against the same processor but with newer graphics cards then were available when they were initially tested.

>>60229416
Well and everybody is telling my something different.

It's not the first time I posted the list here. And everytime I post it, some guy tell me to change something and the next time another guy tells me to reverse that change.

>>60229427
7) The only indicator they used is the average FPS, very few """"""tech experts""""" used frametimes as a benchmark indicator.

>>60229427
>AdoredTV
i'm all for amd n shit but he is the biggest amd shill there is.

>>60229385
Regardless of if you "need more" or not, you can get more for the same exact price, plus lower power consumption and heat, so stop being a sperg maybe.

>>60229407
Yeah I upgraded my 2500k to a 1600X. Such absurd power for $220.

>>60229416
I think you're misinterpreting what >>60229388 is saying.

>>60229427
Bulldozer cores literally couldn't get fully utilized in many instances because it only had fp64 max precision per core and required locking the neighboring core and putting both together for fp128.
It wasn't about games not optimizing for Garbage. It was just a garbage arch for games.
Ryzen has no such problem, however some games shitty code thinks Ryzen is bulldozer, and optimizes for bulldozer which fucks up Ryzen performance.
The issues were no single Ryzen thread will reach 99% like on a 7700k seems to be entirely due to Nvidia's driver. It does not have that problem with an AMD GPU.

Can I use this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9j4Ccc to play games (fallout , arc survival evolved , witchers 3) in high setting 60fps 720p (preferably 1080p if possible)

>>60229460
watch this anon, next time an Intel shill tells you to get an i7 tell them to refute what is in here:
[YouTube] Ryzen Part 3: Gameplay/Frametimes of GTA V on Ryzen & Intel (3/3) (embed)

>>60229495
I don't recommedn gaming at 720p. It presents a bottleneck to the CPU preventing you from using your GPU. I used to have a C2D system where some games choked on 720p but played just fine at 1080p. it was a Q9300 paired with a HD7850

>>60229348
>suddenly every single person on r/amd is a heavy multi tasker with 3 monitors and has to encode videos whilst streaming and playing games...
You mean suddenly everyone actually runs something in the background, right?
>riggedy janky shit like the OS, discord and steam lagging like fuck because 4 out of 4 cores are being solely 100%'d for the videogame

>>60229521
Hey if it increases the fps I am gonna make a sacrifice and play in 1080p

Are there any reviews for the MSI B350 Carbon yet? I know it came out just recently, but I haven't seen a peep about it beside the initial announcement.

I'm a little leery of Ryzen boards that haven't been acid tested yet, but this looks like a slick B350 option for those that don't need X370 features.

>>60229460
People will have differing opinions, and /g/ likes to get people to spend more money a lot. But there is some general consensus.

>>60229495
>i5
>$165 for a 1050ti
>$700 total
what the fuck

>>60229549
You are considering such a garbage build but you already have a monitor that is over 60hz?

>>60229551
The MSI boards all use 1 of 3 VRM phase layouts. What do you need to know that you can't figure out from one that shares 99% of the same components?

>>60229257
>>60229357
Should I just get a 1700 to avoid temp related problems?

>>60229499
But that's not actually comparint the CPUs in question, or is it?

>>60229562
I don't really have a monitor yet but probably gonna buy something crappy for under 100$

Is there a reason why this monitor is so cheap for what it has? It seems too good to be true
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824025212

>>60229565
Just get a 1600X. Cheaper, stock clocks are good. Any 140-180W TDP cooler for it will keep it super chilly quietly.

>>60229584
If you're only doing 60hz then you won't see a benefit from getting more than a 1500X or 1600. Even a 1400 overclocked will do 60fps in every game except FO4 and Arma3, but I wouldn't recommend the 1400.

>>60229594
>2560 x 1080
>60hz
>only hdmi ports

>>60229562
>But there is some general consensus.
Well for me it feels like there is an even split in that regard. It kinda feels like the 2 camps are timezones dependent, beause people will either try to talk me into Ryzen, or out of it every time I post.

I think I might just get the i7 7700K now and just be done with it. I don't really want to speculate and I guess the i7 "just works" right now. I've been with AMD for a long time and sometimes their fixes and optimization take far too long, which can be infuriating.

>>60229495
Might change the gpu to rx 470

>>60229669
The 1600X already has more consistent frame pacing and better minimums than the 7700k without any optimizations.
Those matter more than averages. The averages aren't going to magically get better on 5 year old games that aren't getting updates, but they are good enough as it is. And LGA1151 is a dead socket.
I don't get how the 1600/1600X isn't an easy and straight forward choice. Only bad thing about it is that your RAM may not run at its intel validated sped.

no developer is going to make optimizations for games that already were released until ryzen gets at least 25% of marketshare.

>>60229755
This is a lie. My indie game is being optimized for Ryzen.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rzQdWX

I just put together a Ryzenv 5 budget build based on some friends recommendation and some microcenter deals. I kept all the boxes and receipts so I can swap or return any of these parts. The 7850 came from my old PC since Vega GPUs should be releasing soon.

My two questions are how does this look, and is there any recommended system overclocks or tweaks? I'm using this for single-monitor 1080p gaming for right now so I kept everything on stock settings.

>>60229366
anyone ?

>>60229642
I don't have much money left over for a high end monitor. The other monitor I was looking at was this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0043T7FHK/
What's wrong with 1440p? I thought that was a good thing

>>60229797
>2560 x 1080
>1080

That wasn't a 1440p, vladimir

>>60229785
please respond, or i'll just go to reddit's build section

>>60229427
>AdoredTV
I mean, can you be any more biased? His whole channel is practically dedicated to praising amd. I won't be surprised if he is actually on amd's salary.

>>60229755
But.. they already did?

>>60229607
Will 1600 do 60 fps in arma multiplayer?

>>60229852
>one dollar has just been deposited into your account by Intel. Thank you again!

>>60229852
>implying every youtube channel that talks about hardware isn't being paid by at least one company
wow what a shocker!!

>>60229852
His whole channel is based on praising AMDs technology, not AMD as a company, he has numerously pointed out ATi/AMD shady practices.

>>60229839
Oh, thanks for pointing that out.

So if you want a gaming PC, you are basically forced to use Windows 10 now, right? (I assume the Professional edition is the better deal)

RIP Win7

>>60229770
Replace SSD with ~500GB 850/MX300/SU800
Get semi-modular or fully modular PSU. Seasonic M12II or 550RM are often on sale.
2666 RAM would be better if it doesn't cost much more.
You can get windows off kinguin or a reputable ebay seller.

>>60229366
What do user reviews on newegg say?

>>60229879
At least for the 1600X, it outdoes the 7700k in highly intensive areas, but it is weaker when it's less CPU intensive.
In the more intensive times, both drop under 60fps. Like 50 for the 7700k and 55 for the 1600X.

>>60229895
Yeah. The dude is bias but he's definitely someone that likes technology, and AMD does cool tech and innovations.
AMD invented nearly everything in modern x86-64 CPUs. Intel only invented a handful of instructions that are hardly even used consumer side.

>>60229900
1440p is good. 2560x1080 ultra-short is awful.

>>60229927
not really?

Why do so many mobo manufacturers put shields over the VRM & Chipset heatsinks? Doesn't that impede airflow if you have active case cooling?

>>60229366
Sounds like regional pricing is the main difference. Its up to preference whether you like ASUS or Gigabyte's support and software better.

>>60229940
that's a fucfking heatsink lmfao

no offense to you in particular, but some new posters to /pcbg/ the past 36 hours have been particularly retarded. Questions like those, and all these i5 builds and NVMes and shit.

>>60229935
Well they killed Win7 support and aren't they forcing certain features required for games to be Win10 only? Like the newest Direct X and such?

>>60229960
>no offense to you in particular, but some new posters to /pcbg/ the past 36 hours have been particularly retarded.
>lmfao
Guess they fit just in with you.

>>60229877
AOTS doesn't count

Can i use my mac keyboard with a pc?

>>60229964
These things are true.
Games tend to perform better on Win10, too.
And the gaming mode is really fucking good for 6 and 8 cores.

I use linux, though. Working on passthrough and shit, still.
I'm hoping they make a good 1 or 1.5 slot RX560... I don't want to get an RX550 1slot unless it's super cheap.

>>60230007
stfu retard, I answered your question.

>>60230020
Total Warhammer. Doom.
Mafia III also released an update that made performance 25% worse ayyy

>>60229930
I have plenty of open SATA slots to put in more storage down the line so the 850 is already on the radar. I just need to wait for a more paycheck savings to come in before dropping more money into this machine.

And what is the deal with DDR4 RAM nowadays anyway? Half of what I read says to go with lower CAS and overclock while the other half says to go for the clock speed off the bat.

>>60229960
>>60230007
Post a g4560 build and everyone approves
Decide to upgrade the cpu to I5 and everyone loses their minds

What are your favorite mATX cases for 100 bucks or less? I'd prefer something that can be carried easily but the only case I've found with handles is the Bitfenix Prodigy M

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>>60229960
>that's a fucfking heatsink lmfao

You're not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?

The branding plates that cover the heatsink fins. They're useless chunks of metal taped over the fins. I routinely rip them off because they block air moving around the HSF.

Here, I even made you a picture so you don't pop a blood vessel trying to imagine them.

Opinions on this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nNXknn

I'm a CS student, part time web designer ad occasional gamer.

>>60230054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHE4Wgh7X0
I wonder if it's Nvidia driver gimping Prey visuals, or if it's the game itself that lowers visuals on Nvidia GPUs.
Nvidia has a history of doing this to increase performance in benchmarks. But did the driver update for Prey already?

>>60230054
Because you're paying $120 more for a 50-60% performance increase when you could get a 120% performance increase with a 1500X. Plus you get a cooler and quieter CPU/cooler with the 1500X. It's just indefensibly retarded to get an i5 for any reason at all.

>>60230203
LMAO. That's a heatsink.
Do you think the chokes are heatsinks? holy shit.

>>60230219
Looks good, except you should get an RX570 or wait for the RX560 if it's more power than you need (it probably is).
$165 is a stupid price for a 1050Ti. They're only worth it when they go on sale for $100.
Also that's a lot of money to pay for 1080p. I would think you'd want at least 1920x1200 since you use it for work, or 1440p.

So compared to the 7700k, I'd be safer sticking with a 6700k, wouldn't I?

>>60230245

YEah, I was really really not sure about which graphic card to buy, fact is, I don't really care about latest game ultra HD settings (this doesn't mean that I'd be happy to play @ 720p).

>Also that's a lot of money to pay for 1080p. I would think you'd want at least 1920x1200 since you use it for work, or 1440p.

Are you still referring ti the GPU or to the screen?

>>60230252
Yeah. 6700k much more rarely has the problems that lead you to needing to delid. I have heard of it happening for the later manufactured 6700ks, but it seems far far more rare.
Or just get a 1600X.

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>>60229717
>The 1600X already has more consistent frame pacing and better minimums than the 7700k
Nice meme but no, not even close.

Wait, do I need more than a 550W PSU for 1600 plus rx580?

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>>60230285

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>>60230245
>LMAO. That's a heatsink.

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>>60230245
>That's a heatsink.
Really? That's a heatsink?

Because I'm pretty sure this thing that was under the blue plate is the heatsink.

Just a hunch.

>>60230281
Buy Radeon so your image quality isn't neutered >>60230318
But all memes aside, the RX570 is about 60% faster than the 1050ti yet costs around the same. Only downside is power consumption and size.

>>60230302
No, 400w is enough.

>>60230285
Huh..? That image shows it gets better min, average, and max. wot.

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>Remove heatsink after applying it for the first time to re-adjust things
>Thermal paste is now fucked, idle temp is 15C higher
>Take heatsink off again and apply some 2 year old "cooler master thermal compound"
>Idle temp still 10C higher than it was with the factory-applied stuff

wat do

>>60230348
It's metal and touching it. Also a heatsink.
idk senpai do test with it on and off with a down-blower CPU cooler like the C1.
You can be youtube famous.

>>60230401
Get some Cryorig CP7 or Noctua NT-H1. Those are some of the best easy to apply thermal pastes.

>>60230415
So you think the type thermal paste could make a difference of 10C?

>>60230322
Did you even look at your samefag? Because it says the 1700 beats the 7700k in min, max, and average frame rates...

>>60230388
>No, 400w is enough.
Even if OCing the 1600?

>>60230426
Yes, definitely.
artic silver 5 vs those pastes is usually more than a 5C difference.
Bad application can account for more.
Did you clean off the thermal paste with alcohol?

What should I upgrade?
for gayming

>i5 4430
>r9 270
>8GB ram

Other than with some shit optimized games, I think getting 16GB is out of the question.
So it comes down to CPU or GPU.

I'm thinking about getting an SSD but first I wanna do a fresh install and see how much of a change is just that.

Not one day goes by where I dont curse myself for not waiting a bit more and getting a bit more informed on PC building instead of having a build made by a shop.
Could have done a 2500k+ 7000series build for much less and it would have creamed this piece of shit.
fucking shitdick

>>60230415
Not even metal on metal. They literally put these things on with doublestick tape. Mobo makers just like to put flashy words on every flat surface they can.

But hey, at least we agree on NT-H1.

>>60230415
Also, I put like less than 1mm of thermal paste on and there may have been some slightly uneven spots

>>60230426
At idle? Not usually, that's indicative of some retard ham hands aplication but your thermal paste might have gone bad or transmuted into toothpaste or some shit so it's better to cover both bases.
Thermal paste is cheap as shit anyway. Also look up how to apply thermal paste

>>60230348
>>60230332
This is not everyday faggotory, this is advanced micro faggotory.

>>60230438
lol yes. Even OCing you won't use over 150watts on the CPU. Likely well under 125. RX580 even OC'd won't use over 250. Other misc shit a few dozen watts at most.
550w is the optimal size. But if you went with a platinum fanless, then 420 would be fine.

>>60230426
No, you don't see deltas of 10c even when you compare good thermal paste and comedy stuff like ketchup or vegemite. You're obviously not making proper contact or the cooling just isn't working properly. Last time I was asked to debug a situation like this where temperatures has gone up by over 10C it turned out a fan connector had come off at some point during installation.

>>60230455
you sure that doublestick tape isn't a THERMAL PAD..?

>>60230388

All right, I'll go for the 570, thanks anon

>>60230466
>>60230440
yeah i did clean the old stuff off completely and applied a very thin layer of the cooler master paste

only thing i can think of is there may be a couple tiny air bubbles where i didn't spread the paste enough

>>60230451
GODDAMIT I FORGOT THIS

btw I'm thinking of selling my 270 and see if some chum gives me 80€ for it and get a 770 off ebay.
it seems to be the best card I can get for under 100€ here.
Should I wait for vega and the shift in prices and wave of sold hardware or what?

pls respond

>>60230487
>>60230388

Btw, which one should I get? I mean, any recommended brand? Mini?

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>>60230492
>770
>literally any kepler or maxwell card with insufficient VRAM
lol
You guys need to stop falling for these memes.
next you'll be posting speccy in /v/
>GUYS should i upgrade to the 1050ti?

>>60230491
>layer
See there's your problem.
Pea method man. unless you're using that liquid metal shit pea works 100% every time.
Layer can work well too but it's never better than a pea and it sometimes turns out much worse.
There's no reason to do anything else.

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>>60229879
This guy >>60229930 is completely wrong
1600x gets 20 less FPS in arma 3

>>60230482
Literally cheapo doublestick, just like the Chinese junk you get at the dollar store. A tiny strip of it that touches less than a square inch of either surface.

I've got doublestick thermal and thermal pad material kicking around for reseats.

Quality Chinese design considerations.

>>60230509
For your use case, the Sapphire 570 Pulse ITX may be best.

If you can wait a few days, RX560s will be out which should be better than the 1050Ti but for less money. Plus lower power than the RX560.

>>60230521
cherry picking makes everyone immediately flag you as a stupid fucktard. If you read my post you'd see I said
>in the most cpu intensive areas
If you are so fucking stupid you can't comprehend that CPU load isn't exactly even across the entirety of a game on any map with any number of players/ai/vehicles, then you may as well kill yourself right now as you'll never succeed at anything in life.

>>60230545

Right, thanks

>>60230514
idk the factory stuff was all pre-applied in a layer on the heatsink (see above picture)

i thought you need a layer the size of the cpu so there's no air between the cpu and the heatsink

so for the pea method i just put a blob of thermal paste on the cpu and stick the cooler on? wouldn't that leave area on the cpu that doesn't have thermal paste?

>>60230545
>c-cherry picked
just give it up buddy the video shows otherwise
even the 1700 gets shit on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yh9doMXt3I
Stop being a fanboy and fucking over the other anon becuase of your bias

>>60230589
>>60230545
Clearly just an AMD fanboy, don't bother, he'll never admit to being wrong

>>60230513
There are 4GB 770 models.
Also that's DX12. DX12 performance in BF1 and on nvidia cards in general is notoriously shit.

Is it too late to return my ryzen?

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>>60230589
>the video shows it is super cpu intensive scenarios I swear!
>every scene is 2 AI and 1 vehicle max
lmfao
T H E A U T H E N T I C A R M A E X P E R I E N C E for sure.

You need to at least try to obfuscate your shill lies more. If you make it so blatantly obvious that you're full of shit, no one will buy it.

>>60230565
The cpu die is a lot smaller than you'd expect.
Most of a heat spreader is basically useless.

>>60230657
>WAHHHHHHH ITS NOT MY SXAVT TESTING SCENARIO
great deflection bud, nothing is going to meet your testing parameters and you know that so you use that as a crutch to never admit being wrong
Arms 3 is a single core game, the 7700k will always ALWAYS perform better
Stop fucking over that other anon because you're a fanboy

>>60230513
I can get a 4gb windforce for 80 bucks .You didnt give an alternative for my price point and situation
Can you just fuck off with your shitposting and fanboyism?
This is a thread for civil discussion.

>>60230688
Ohhhh I seee..

The thing that weirds me out though is that performance is significantly impacted (dropped like 20fps) but the CPU is still running at 4.8GHz (doesn't look like it's throttling) and the GPU is totally fine, max temp of 58C. The only difference I can see is that the CPU is running a bit hotter.

Do I buy a new GPU or a Nintendo Switch. Last nintendo I played was the 64 and I miss those mario and zelda games

>>60230637
It's.. 10fps.
Poor DX12 performance is no excuse for that.
It's happening due to being VRAM stared, not that.
If you get a 4GB model it'll be passable, though.

>>60230657
he provided two sources
you've provided non his argument is infinitely more valid that yours, I'm still going for the 1600 but he's right about the 7700 in arma

>>60230726
get a new gpu and emulate the old games

>>60230740
Two sources that don't contradict what I said.
Try again, samefag.

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>>60230657
you're the one who's shilling he just corrected you about 1 game
Calm down

>>60230768
They directly contradicted what you said, you just keep making convoluted test scenarios to hide behind
Just stop you're embarrassing yourself

>>60230739
That is the reason it's 10fps switch it to DX11 and the performance of all those cards should be be just below the 1050ti.
Also i suspect something else is screwed up there because the 960 should be doing way better than that even in DX12 and somehow the 950 is doing better than it.
Or is the story too exciting for you to see that?

>>60230812
>in cpu intensive areas

>shows some shit where literally nothing is going on
no they didn't, samedumbfag.

>>60227482
Seriously?
The RX 460 is now good, well I'll be.
On an unrelated term the Rx 550 is still shit value

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any recommended builds for htc vive?
seems like if I wanted to get one it would cost me 1k for a system without the vive peripherals

>>60230027
>And the gaming mode is really fucking good for 6 and 8 cores.
The gaming mode is the opposite of good

>>60230844
>7700k pulling far ahead of even the 1700
Yes it did

>>60230891
hes just gonna claim it's not cpu intensive enough despite arma being a single core game and the 7700 will always have better single core
not worth arguing with him

>>60230872
idk. I'd wait for the second generation VR.
There's constant software issues and the screen/lens quality isn't good enough currently.

>>60231041
I'm just not going to anymore

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Looking to start paying for this stuff all next week. Hopefully any deals hold until then. Seeing equivalent prices in USD feels bad. Want to stay around that price range as I'm finally moving on from only using laptops all my life. Hence, the cheap monitor.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vDPFhq

Games at 1080p, 60Hz (no recent AAA titles except The Witcher 3)
Emulation (nothing beyond 6th gen)
Programming

I want to OC the 1600 to at least 3.7Ghz and have on the GPU on OC mode. Will the Wraith Spire and PSU be enough?

>>60227942
that m2 is useless... it's literally just an SSD using sata 3.

>>60228069
don't downsize the psu the person who told you that is retarded. 600+

>>60231138
Looks like an ideal build.
Only thing I'd change is dropping the HDD and increasing the SSD to 500GB+. Just add a HDD later once you actually need it.

>>60231138
>I want to OC the 1600 to at least 3.7Ghz and have on the GPU on OC mode. Will the Wraith Spire and PSU be enough?

I'd pop for the 620W if you can to give you some headroom.

I just put together my R5 1600 on a ASrock AB350 Pro4, haven't touched overclocking or anything yet, but Ryzen Master is showing 35C-45C idle, 65C under load. HWMonitor is showing 47C under load. The temps are sketchy as fuck right now, AMD has been adding to them I think so you are always well within safe limits. Still deciding if I even want to OC, i'm pretty happy right now.

Also, the Wraith Spire is the quietest stock cooler ever made. I can't even hear it with my side panel off and ear right next to it. Unbelievable.

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>>60227398
Is that acurate?

>>60231274
is what what?

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I want to build a new file server for my home network. It should use as little electricity as possible and have enough storage space for about 6TB of files and backups. It also needs to be able to sustain 100mbit/s throughput using AES-256. Any suggestions?

>>60231180
Now that I think about it this might be the right play for now. I'm not one to have all my games installed unless I'm actively playing them. And seeing how cheap HDDs are...

>>60231201
Would even 600W be good? That's reassuring sort of as there's not that many anecdotes from other AB350 Pro4 owners online.

Yeah, temps are my main worry. This is my first tower so I'm not sure on what's ideal or not, yet. And we've been having pretty hot summers as of late here in Vancouver.

>>60231298
Also, is it a good idea to ditch a 1TB hard drive for a cheap 1TB SSD if I want to keep electricity costs low and only use the space to read off of?

>>60230700
Not necessarily true. The test rig in that Arma video was using a 4x4 kit of 2800mhz ram. Ryzen shits the bed in a 4x4 config at the moment. Maybe one day it won't, but that's a platform weakness. Also, 3200mhz ram seems to be the sweet spot to ramp up ryzen's infinity fabric to be competitive with Intel in gaming. Not saying the Arma test was flawed, just that ryzen almost requires special snowflake configurations at the moment to meet or beat intel.

>>60231448
1TB SSD are super comfy.
I got my 1TB SU800 for $250. It goes on sale around that price like once a month.
I saw the sandisk one for $200 a few days ago.
MX300 1.1TB was $200 last black friday.

>>60231387
>That's reassuring sort of as there's not that many anecdotes from other AB350 Pro4 owners online.

Yeah, I took the dive since it was the cheapest full ATX board where I am. I can't speak to overclocking, haven't even set my RAM to 3200 yet (finished install last night, just got up now). Had zero issues on first post.

600W would be more than enough, as long as the PSU is good quality. I'm running a 650W EVGA G3 (overkill for single GPU, but I got it on sale for the same price as 550W).

>>60231524
The SU800 is criminally underrated. Just got my 512GB and it's blazing fast and I got it during their recent sale for $50 less than the 850 Evo.

>>60231631
Yeah. I overlooked it initially until I saw benchmark comparisons.
They seem to be reliable, and it's like 97% as fast in real world tasks as the 960/850.
It's faster than my previous 1TB 840 Evo.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PH3R8K
Anything egregiously wrong with this build before I tell my friend to go ahead and order parts?
>Purpose
1080p / 60hz gaming, some streaming, video editing, and photoshop.
>budget / region
$1k US
I'm giving him my used but known good evga 600w psu for $20.

Are there any blatant problems with conflicting sound channels? Like say, mixing a pair of 2.1ch speakers with a 7.1ch sound card and a pair of 7.1 headphones?

>>60231696
it looks good

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>>60231696
You may want a more reliable hdd. I haven't heard much about Seagate 1tb but anything 1.5tb or above fail fast and oftem

>>60231769
Where is Toshiba?

>>60227692
I would also like to know. Would a Corsair H60 be good for it?

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>>60231769
>muh segate is worse than liter
this isn't even true anymore

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>>60231819
A better chart

>>60231823
why would you even get an AIO?

>>60231823
i only recommend corsair h60 in extremely small cases. 120mm rads already don't have a ton of thermal mass to dissipate heat, and the h60 is a relatively thin radiator at that. I'd rather have a comparable price air tower cooler.
Ryzen hits a voltage / silicon wall well before themals are too much of a problem. Pick up whatever cooler is within budget for you (cryorig h7 is my go-to rec)
>>60231769
isn't backblaze a company that uses the shit out of their drives and runs them 24/7? >>60231909 I've also been seeing this chart almost weekly since 2016 and i've seen it debated pretty heavily.

>>60227398
>i5 aren't worthwhile

K, where I'm at the only ryzen processor in the price class of the i5-7400 is the 1400 which is worse, i could OC it but motherboard + Aftermarket cooler would make it too much of a hassle (financially) instead of just getting the i5. Thoughts?

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>>60232009
go i5

>>60232009
>R5 1400 is not worthwhile unless discounted

can ryzen 1600 run skyrim

>>60232063
Exactly, but if both aren't worthwhile what the fuck am I supposed to do?
>>60232024
Probably will but idk yet

>>60232009
lol?
You can OC the 1400 to 3.8GHz on the stock cooler and it's about 30% better than the i5-7400 then. Neither are good, but that illustrates how much worse and shit value the 7400 is.
The 1500X hardly costs more, though. Literally a lunch.

Do i have to re-install windows after getting a new GPU?(W10 2016 LTSB With anniversary)

I mean i've just been done installing all my shit and tomorrow somebody gives me a much better card, i suppose if i remove the GPU driver, try to switch to the integrated one, remove the shitty one and then just install the next card it will work fine.

The only problem i might have is that windows 10 would try to be the hero and get me the driver after i un-installed it.


I know it's retarded, anybody tried this?Sorry it's kind of an un-related question

>>60232122
>if both aren't worthwhile what the fuck am I supposed to do?
Both aren't worthwile based on most pricing, but if ryzen cpus are each $30 more expensive in your country than they are in america, then the 7400 - 7600 become suddenly worth
Although they are still pretty meh cpus.

snowy owl when

Do I need a processor if I only plan on gaming

>>60232133
>after getting a new GPU?
No

>i suppose if i remove the GPU driver, try to switch to the integrated one, remove the shitty one and then just install the next card it will work fine.
yes

>The only problem i might have is that windows 10 would try to be the hero and get me the driver after i un-installed it.
Just unplug the ethernet cable

>>60232172
what

>>60232176
a pc can't run without a cpu

>>60232179
>a pc can't run without a cpu
Yeah but if I only plan on gaming. Im not going to run things like photoshop

>>60232179
k thx

>>60232132
40€ is an expensive muhfuckin ass lunch.
But let's say I wouldn't care about the budget as much, what R5 is best value? 1600?
>>60232162
Same q goes to you.

Could probably just farm some more € and pair that with an RX 570 because apparently that's the best value I can get. (Even if Ryzen's are more expensive here)

>>60232194
it can't start without a cpu
you can't run photoshop with your pc not started

>>60232194
you need a CPU

>>60232179
>what
AMDs snowy owl when?

>>60232172
For servers? Should launch soon after naples.
For HEDT? idk but all the tech analysts seem to think it'll arrive before X299 in August.

>>60232200
lol what. a 1500X is only $20 more MSRP. Pretty sure it's the same for EUR.
And yes. 1600 is the absolute best value CPU. But the 1500X is cheaper and tends to be all that most people need, and it doesn't need to be overclocked.

>>60232211
I said im not going to run photoshop. I just want to play games. Can I save money by not buying a processor?

>>60232200
>what R5 is best value? 1600?
yes

What do you think?


Component Selection Price
CPU

AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor
$247.88 Buy
CPU Cooler

Corsair - H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
$64.88 Buy
Motherboard

ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard
$138.98 Buy
Memory

Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
$104.76 Buy
Storage

Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
$179.00 Buy
Video Card

Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card
$364.99 Buy
Case

NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case
$64.99 Buy
Power Supply

Corsair - CSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
$59.99

>>60232226
naples when

>>60232226
K it's 35€ difference but that's cause there's a 1500x on sale going for 160€ rn.

Are you implying the 1600 needs to be OC'd?

>>60232229
Thanks.

>>60232098
No, you need a Ryzen 1800X or Intel 6950K.

>>60232254
1400 is ping for 160€*
My bad

>>60232235
>liquid cooler
>2133mhz ram
>corsair psu

>>60232235
That watercooler is pretty overkill but you can still get it if you want to get highest possible overclock, but it's not really worth the money
x370 does make sense for the better VRM, but it's not really needed. Wil last long though.

>Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133
Since it looks like you want the best cpu performance, you might want to get faster RAM.

https://youtu.be/pdT8f-jaa9g
Will this work? I only have 4 gb ram. Could I convert 12 gb sdd to ram and speed up my pc or do I have to buy more?

>>60232308
>Could I convert 12 gb sdd to ram and speed up my pc
Yes but it's still much slower than regular RAM

>>60232256
My laptop runs it fine but im getting an ryzen 1600 pc soon. Can I play it with a lot of mods? I can only play it on medium and no emp right now
My monitor is not 4k

>>60230521
>>60230545
>>60230589
Funny thing about the video you posted - intel literally stutters in it.
At around 1.01 both 6700k and 3570k stutter.
https://youtu.be/6yh9doMXt3I?t=60
During this whole running part 6700k stutters a little, just look closely.

At 4.20 3570k stutters like a lot
https://youtu.be/6yh9doMXt3I?t=258

Anyway, the video is kind of old now and I am really interested in seeing some recent comparison. I saw some test even claiming that Ryzen has higher fps in arma.

>>60232240
>naples when
This month or next at the latest.

>Are you implying the 1600 needs to be OC'd?
Yes? It's like 3.2/3.7GHz stock compared to the 3.4/3.9GHz of the 1500X.
For 160 EUR, maybe it's best to go for the 1400. It's still significantly better than the i5-7400 you were originally going to go for.

I was planning to buy the 1700 but why are people picking the 1600 instead?

>>60232508
Most people can't make use of 8 cores

>>60232508
6 is all anyone needs right now. Most games just utilize the 6 well at most. >>60229357
I plan on getting an 8 core for zen3 or zen4. May as well save the money for now.

I do a lot more than gaming. I hardly game even. But I still rarely utilize much.
My i5-2500k used to lag just browsing the web, tabbing back and forth between IDE, while steam updates a game and friends send me lewds on discord. My 1600X doesn't remotely lag or slow down at all during that. So that's all I need for now.

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Anyone who has succesfully built and overclocked their ryzen build recommend me a b350 mobo that won't have any issues? I'm about to pull the trigger on a r5 1600 2x8gb 3200mhz ram rx 580 8gb nitro+ build and i'm having second thoughts on the mobo after hearing anons complaining about issues with overclocking or bioses in theirs.

>>60232614
gaming 3 is probably the safest b350 board to with, whether mATX or not.
I got the pro4, and while I've had no issues with it at all, I haven't tried overclocking since I have a 1600X and I'm busy with other shit.

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>>60232402
>>60232063
>>60232264
lmao i5 7400 shits on 4.1ghz r5 1400. stop spreading lies. "muh ryzen is the best".

>>60232654
>MOM I POSTED THE 2133MHz RAM STOCK 3.2GHz CLOCKS POLINSKI SHILLMARKS AGAIN

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>>60232654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdmeGOsnss nice rigged benchmarks. Nice CPU utilization. Nice drops under 60fps.

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>>60232654
Not those fucking shitty turkish benchmark, holy shit, why did you come back to this thread?
Just leave man

Almost done with my build guys, but question about motherboards

For AM4 Mobos, what is the difference between the X__ and the B__ motherboards?

The B ones are around 80-100 bucks and the X revisions are all 150 dollars or so. What is the difference and which would you choose?

>>60232713
>58.2FPS 21.6ms
cute stuttering

>>60232717
x370 mobos generally have better VRM (better oc abilities, though it's not that importantr), more PCIex16, two M.2 at times, they all support SLI / Xfire and have more sata ports than b350 ones

Is there any noticeable difference in speed or otherwise between SATA SSDs or should I just get the cheapest?

>>60232717
X370 have 24 instead of 22 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
They may have better VRMs, but often don't.
I chose a B350. X370 is pointless unless you have a custom open loop since 4 VRM phases is generally all you need for 1.35-1.4v

>>60232760
um no. don't get the cheapest. reliability is the big issue.
Safe to stick to MX300, SU800, and 850Evo. The perform are 1-3% slower but much cheaper. All 3 are reliable.

>>60230872
What's your budget?

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Hi all, building a new PC and hoping to sell my old parts. Don't need help with the build, just had a few questions.

Where would be the best place to sell my parts? Ebay, Amazon, Newegg Marketplace?

Pic Related is my Speccy, what would the CPU, GPU, & Storage get me? Thanks!

>>60232789
Thanks. The price difference isnt much anyways.

>>60232857
And the Mobo and Ram (If there's enough info for the RAM), sorry.

>>60232857
Don't sell the HDD, it comes in handy. You'd get a shit price for it anyway because it's used.

That CPU seems fine, why do you want to change it?

I'm fairly sure you could get around $100 with that GPU probably.

>>60232878
I'm short around 500 for my new build, and am wanting to sell the old parts. I know it's good, but I want something better.

Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated.

So is it worth spending an extra tenner on a dual fan 1060 6gb? There is a evga 1060 6gb which is £10 cheaper than the cheapest 580 8gb and dual fan 1060 6gb but it has one fan.

>>60232857
You might have the best luck selling it as a complete "midrange gaming computer" on craigslist. Could maybe get like $400-$500 that way. I think parting it out would be less.

Everyone should buy the 1600X today

While it's false that no games use more than 4-6 cores, you do get diminishing returns and if the XFR feature is actually worth it that would likely add more single core performance, which is good in the majority of games.

Keep in mind, even in games that would utilize 8 cores, you only see, say, a 10-25% improvement or so from utilizing them over a 6 core. And that's in games that use them.

So...TODAY, I would probably say 1600x.

Now, 5 years from now, that's the question. If multithreaded games become more and more frequent, and we've been seeing more and more over the past year, 8 cores might eventually show its usefulness. But in the short term the 6 core with higher clocks is going to be the superior option. Most games dont use 8 cores and the ones that do only benefit, at most, like 25% from it.

You can actually view the rundown of my argument for more cores here.

https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5ui1bd/why_getting_more_than_4_cores_in_a_gaming_cpu_is/

As you can see, the gains for 8 cores over 6 generally is less than or equal to the boost from 4-6.

Those are the MOST multithreaded games I could find. many games don't benefit AT ALL from more than 4 cores and as such higher clock speeds is more important.

So I'd say the 1600x is the better deal NOW, but the 1700 might eventually be better like 5 years from now.

>>60232926
nah, £10 for quite noticeably worse cooling & noise is not worth

>>60232929
Good advice, thank you again. Have a good one.

>>60232938
Hello, this isn't reddit, please get out

>>60232938
i'll wait for 6 cores from intel

>>60232938
>leddit formatting
>leddit link
top bait. here's your (you)