/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

Would you prefer to get a T430 or X430? Both have the classic keyboard.

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What are all the possible upgrades that can be done to a X230 ?

>>60225936
by X430 i mean X240

>>60226041
by X240 do you mean X230?

>>60226168
X220?

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Stop getting gimped by sata 2

Just got a T430 earlier for $200.

>i5-3320
>8GB RAM
>320GB HDD
>Intel HD

Not the best spec, but here in the turd world it's a steal.

>>60226327
I got the T440p for $50 more. With the FHD screen mod, trackpad mod and SSD upgrade, it's the best laptop experience I've had.

Currently I'm running Ubuntu on my T410.
My new job requires me to use Adobe CC, so I planned to switch to Windows. However, I don't have a recovery CD, and it's impossible to obtain a Lenovo ISO for it.

Wat do?

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>tfw seriously considering getting a t43p just to have a real IBM thinkpad

It's making me anxious, looking though the wiki I see the best cpu is a single core pentium m 770 that's much slower than current atoms...

Do I pull the trigger? I'm going to regret it right? Is it worth it to just to have the "real" IBM thinkpad experience?

YAS
Finally got my T30 under SVP hell.
Thank you anon, who found that brilliant tutorial for avoiding it. THANK YOU ANON

>>60226168
yes, x230
fuck, i am unusable today

is there an easy way to update the bios of my T430 on linux, or is it better to install windows on an external drive just for the bios flash?

>>60226523
Senpai, get T60. Most of *60 machines are stable as bedrock with no design flaws like T20 and T30.
If it has IBM logo and is 32-bit then it is a real IBM computer with magnesium/titanium-body.

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>>60225948
Previous generation keyboard, with BIOS mod to use all the keys
Upgrade screen to IPS
upgrade ram to up to 16 GB (2 ram slots)
Buy an mSATA to put inside the X230, for a second hard drive
SSD for main hard drive instead of slower HDD
Expresscard slot - (expensive) another hard drive, or some USB 3.0 slots, or a plastic cutout that can store things like sd cards, or an eGPU setup with an external monitor for gayman
Buy spare motherboard with better CPU for slightly faster processing
buy palmrest with fingerprint reader if yours doesn't have one
buy camera if yours doesn't have one
9 cell battery over the 6 cell for more battery life
slice battery for even more battery life
different trackpoint texture / blue trackpoint, if you prefer a different trackpoint
X330 mod (bunch of converter things, cut out bezels, install 13.3 inchscreen, or, 1080p 12.5in screen mod (both quite expensive)
Replace thermal paste if temps are shitty

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>>60226742

>>60226628
Those were designed by lenovo :/

>>60226742
Can I buy this "x330" from somewhere?

>>60226523
>>60226628
>real IBM thinkpad

They outsourced the manufacturing in the t2x/t3x lines

>>60226837
701cs?

>>60226856
That's a real IBM ThinkPad but the keyboard isn't as good as others.

https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/thinkpad-keyboards-and-switches-t15457.html

>>60226837
But they still were designed by IBM.

>>60226904
Depends how much of a purist you are to be honest. The fact that IBM started shutting down their factories to outsource to the chinks was the beginning of the end for thinkpads

>>60226911
Just like Nokia
fug

>>60226918
You have to remember that back in the 90s, you really did pay for "IBM quality".

The street price for a 770 back in 1998 was $7540 USD (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PN95ntYZXZsC&lpg=PA139&dq=770xl%20thinkpad&pg=PA139#v=onepage&q=770xl%20thinkpad&f=false), inflation adjusted that's $11,277.67 in 2017.

Anyone catch the livestream mod of an x230?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBvfJ0EHtcY

>>60227068
>louis "I can't stop lying for the fuck's sake" (((Rossmann)))
Discarded.

>>60227092

Try explaining it to me rather than shitposting. I just came across this I don't really watch this guy.

I'm in the middle of the video but assuming it works what's the problem? Would be nice if I could do a 1080 mod.

>>60227120
tl;dr
>he lied about being prosecuted by apple
>he's a jew

>>60225926
I'm thinking of getting a T420 (I didn't consult any forums before this and it's 4chan™ recommended? Yay!). What CPU should I upgrade it to? The one I'm getting is an INtel core I5. Is it worth upgrading, even?

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>>60227303
Just get a T30, or T60. You don't need any of those fancy and expensive machines like T420

>>60227412
>3200x1080
nice

>>60227412
The reason I'm getting one is so I can stop using a fucking Raspberry Pi as a PC. I don't want to downgrade..

also

>expensive
what a meme

>>60226511
Buy Windows

>>60227513
>not being aware lenovo/windows isnt same as basic ootb windows

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Pink/girly ThinkPad when?
:(

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https://youtu.be/nBvfJ0EHtcY

>>60227583
I doubt Lenovo picked pink cause it was a 'manly' colour. It's professional.

>>60226788
Damn, that's beautiful. Makes me really disappointed that I have a TN screen on my x220. I have to replace it.

>>60227616
i meant black ok

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>>60227442
Well, it has external monitor hooked up to it for that screen real estate
>>60227451
> Raspberry Pi as a PC
Wasted money when orange pi and banana pi exist.
I bought this T30 for 10€ and it has a longer life and is more versatile than raspberry pi. Don't waste money on that other than arduino.
>>60227583
Hopefully never, except they have made some colorful abomination with their E,L and S whatever lines

>>60227650
I figured but its nice to see it drive such a big ratio like a big boy I havent really configured my xorg.conf enough to make it work with external screen but t7300 such a good cpu

>>60227650
I understand, but I want an actual general use laptop. I want something *better* than a raspberry pi. I'm planning on getting an SSD and upgrading the RAM and processor for the thinkpad I'm going to get to turn it into something useable. You're not selling the T30 to me you know

>>60227696
To be completely honest, I have not been able to figure out, how to play videos smooth (consistence framerate).
If I disconnect the external monitor and use the internal monitor (1280x800) then it is a little better
>>60227717
Well, I think T420 is more than plenty for many years to come thanks to it's upgradability. But given the recent years and Intel's fuck ups in their security part, I would rather just use T30 even tho it's cpu is 15 years old.

>>60227773
I cant connect a display at all at the moment since my OS doesnt recognize some things I might switch to linux later on wanted to try this BSD variant wich works well but whatever this laptop isnt bought to make it workable with external monitor

>>60225936
Depending on what screen size I'd want I'd either go with the T430 or the elitebook 2570p.
>why would I want a 2570p when I can get a x230?
Unless you're head over heels with the thinkpad look like some /fa/ggot here are the pros
>better cooling for quad core Ivy Bridge cpus
>socketted cpu so you don't have to pay extra for the soldered on one on the x line
>has a DVD drive which can be swapped for another hard drive
>hardware raid so you can load your Chinese cartoons faster
Etc etc

>>60227612
Just came here to post this. Which one of you fucks made this board and where can I get one?

>>60226325
Only the msata slot is sata2? And yes most msata ssds out preform sata 2 but sata 2 is still ~300 MB/s which is still better mechanical drives and it is still extra storage. Why would I not want to use three drives just because one is sata 2?

>>60226511
Torrent windows
Flip over your laptop
Write down your key
Install with your own key
Was that so hard????

>>60226511
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

Where does everyone get thinkpads for dirt cheap? Even a T420 (4gb, no ssd, tn panel) is at least €200 here.

>>60228230
I'm eyeing one on ebay·.. It's dirt cheap, like £30. Where do you live?

>>60228249
Netherlands

>>60228249
giz us a link

>>60228288
no thanks, I want to buy it

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is it possible to install coreboot or a custom bios on x220 without soldering anything?

What new X series is the "go to" laptop in the family? X250?

>>60228417
2570p if thinkpad keyboard is not a must
X200/X220 if it is

>>60228319
:^(

>>60228456
Isn't that a rare model? I mostly meant between x230, x240, x250, x260, etc.

>>60228499
You mean X220 is a rare model or did you X200 ?

>>60228561
2570p. X220 is great it's just too outdated. Is x250 worth it over x230?

>>60228651
>X220 is great it's just too outdated
NO IT IS NOT YOU MONGROL. IT IS VERY MODERN WITH INTEL CORE CPU AND MAX OF 16GB RAM. HOW CAN YOU SAY LIKE THAT ?????? I BET YOU THOUGH YOU WOULD NOT NEED MORE THAN 2MB RAM YOU ASSHOLE. YOU SEEM TO BE IN ONE KIND OF DENIAL. ONCE YOU DOWNLOAD MY 2MB COMPILER WITH ALL THE SOURCE CODE THEN WE CAN TALK YOU FUCKING NIGGER.
YOU ARE FUCKNG NIGGER 11!!!!!

>some new thinkpads come with USB-C + USB 3.1
>others come with Thunderbolt 3
Why can't Lenovo be fucking consistent and use Thunderbolt 3 and not two of them

>literally nobody is trying to figure out a way to circumvent the Intel AMT backdoor

Seriously? Even Lenovo deems it a high enough priority to commit to BIOS updates for models way back to the xx10 series.

Think about that for a second. Most smartphone manufacturers won't commit to critical OS updates for phones that are 2-3 years old, but Lenovo thinks this is such a big deal that they are issuing firmware updates for 7-year-old machines.

>>60229437
Is there AMT on T30 or T60/T61? I don't think so.
It is your fault for trusting the modern machines.

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>>60226828
slight impact at the wrong spot and you'll fuck up the lcd on that disgraceful mod for good - It's pretty much just glued on to the borders.

>>60228651
>x220 is outdated.

You're a retard.

Also, I'm suggesting the x230 or x240 over the x220. You can replace the trackpad or keyboard if you want the good ones.

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Last thread I asked if my Thinkpad would warn me if im using a lower wattage brick than needed. They said yes but never clarified whether it's Windows what warns you or the BIOS (old version 1.40 on mine maybe that's why no warning) for example. I recieved no warning (with battery attached) so assumed it's all ok but today I decided to do a test without the battery and to my surprise the cpu won't go above 800mhz, which means almost surely it's being throttled by lack of power. Brick is a 65w adapter, laptop is T520 with i5 2520m with igpu, upgraded FHD, 1 msata and 2 hard drives, came with 65w brick, might not sound much but maybe extra hard drives and fhd display are what's consuming more juice. So is there any other way to check if the brick is not enough?

Also sometimes when doing cpu heavy tasks I notice my battery level will go down slightly from 100 to 96% while plugged in. pls help

>>60230107
I literally just had this issue with my upgraded T430. Forgot the adapter I have at work is 65W. It only charges if I go into Battery Saver / Undervolt, and even though it says charging I'm still draining power..

>>60230107
Btw W7 installation was done from clean ISO so no I have none of the Lelnovo tools

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>having a thinkpad
>not having an eGPU setup
pls

>>60230266
I have a desktop.

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>>60230266
Oh wait, did I say thinkpad?
I don't know anything about 12,5" thinkpads that can handle quad core cpus. two 2,5" drives and that doesn't have a wifi whitelist. KEK

>>60230295
no one cares about your shillbook

>>60230314
We'll see about that :^)

>>60230266
>>60230295
Thisd be perfect if only it took mSATA SSDs. Elitebooks are pretty cool.

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>>60227612

>>60230339
what do you need 3rd drive inside for?
It can support mSATA SSDs if you solder 4 wires from wwan port to eSATA port (either internal or dock)

>>60230266
How well does it run as in bugs and straightforwardness? I remember reading about how Lenovo fucked up the wifi on some models and produced lots of unneeded noise and slowdowns, neither Dell or HP had this problem. Noisy signals are a big issue with eGPUs but HP seems to have its shit together regarding this.

>>60230382
l m a o

>>60230382
What do you need more space for is kind of a silly question with the recent takedown of nyaa. Hard drive space is never enough and you should hoard as much as you can.

>It can support mSATA SSDs if you solder 4 wires from wwan port to eSATA port (either internal or dock)
Woah, nice. Might get one then, been considering either an X230 o X240 but this Elitebook is so packed and good looking it's hard to resist. Not like the X series has space for a second 2.5 hard drive anyway.

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>>60230295
The only joke here is your dogshit TN panel, friend.

>>60230436
>What do you need more space for is kind of a silly question
anon, the biggest mobile HDD/SSD you can get is 2TB. Why waste power in mobile device just to get local space?
I'm using 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD in mine and it's totally enough for everything. If you need more storage you can use your home server for that.

>>60230454
That's a matter of preference.
I hate IPS screen in my other x230 and hp 840g2. My eyes fucking hurt after 30 minutes of using such screen. TN in 2570p is MUCH better than t430/x230 one.
Also It's not a problem for me anyway because it's docked to external 29" IPS ultrawide screen.

>>60225926
I'm thinking of buying a refurbished t420 with 8gb of ram and a 1 year warranty for $250 off amazon. Any reason not to?

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Notebook-Professional/dp/B01GU28ZSU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1493968753&sr=8-4&keywords=Thinkpad

>>60230454
*burns in*

>>60230266
how plug and go is the eGPU?

>>60230593
depends.
750/ti/950/ti/all 10* and AMD gpus require DSDT override, which takes about 5 minutes to do any fully automate (if you already have DIY eGPU software installed).
After that it's all done. You can plug it either when the system is off or when it sleeps. I haven't tested unplugging when sleep, but it should work fine.

>>60230454
speaking of dogshin screens, how's your 300% higher power consumption, eye cancer and ghosting effect?
>TOP KEK

god damnit
>>60230719
dogshit*
>>60230705
and fully automate*

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>>60225926
>order 1TB drive for my T430 from Amazon using Same-Day delivery
>Fuck, it's LaserShit delivering
>Unsurprisingly, the drive never arrives.
>Wait 2 days, tell Amazon.
>Get refunded, get a free month of Prime, order the same drive again using Same-Day
>This one actually arrives.
>Yesterday, on my birthday, the first drive I ordered shows up in my mailbox.

Happy Birthday to me?

Who eats the cost? LaserShit, Amazon, or the retailer? If it's the retailer I might return it.

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>>60230266
I'm thinking of buying my first Thinkpad because of this option.

Choosing between T420, T430 and T440p.
T420 4Gb

I really want the T440p (I will use external keyboard and mouse), but doesn't come with expresscard, might not work with eGPU, and the T420 lacks USB 3.0 (need it for the Kinect 2).

So mite buy the 430. Hope /g/ doesn't get mad because of that Hardmod thing.

>>60230805
Are you hardmodding it?

Also holy shit I had no idea the T440p had no expresscard, that's terrible.

>>60230805
EGPU is really not practical, nor economical.

>>60230805
t440p with dgpu option, if you can live without egpu
t430+quad core cpu without dgpu if you want egpu

>>60230786
The optimist in my would assume that it's the courier who takes the hit
The centrist in me thinks everyone takes an equal hit
The pessimist in me thinks it's the retailer

>>60230834
I do animation/motion graphics. Have a nice desktop setup. But need something to move.

I'm considering eGPU so I can carry around my desktop GPU with a Thinkpad without expending a grand on a gaming laptop.

>>60230989
Then you're gonna want the T430 or T420.

What is the difference between a t4XXp and a t4xx?
Am I correct in saying that the non-p models have less powerful processors?

>>60231033
Before the xx40 series, p didn't exist and normal T series could have both dual cores and quad core upgrades (since they were socketed).

Then Jewtel decided that they were going to fragment that market, and started shipping ULV on different soldered BGA sockets. Normal wattage cores were still socketed.

This caused Lenovo to split their brand, starting with the T440, into the ULV version that couldn't be upgraded easily, and the "normal" wattage T440p version that had a normal socketed CPU.

Essentially, the lineage jumps from T430 to the T440p, instead of the T440, because of this change.

>>60227916
2570p vs x220/230 based on screen and battery life?

currently doing my masters, but going to start a new study next year. I have a gud pc at home and just need a basic notetaking laptop

>13 - 14", ~1366x768
>4gb ram, or the ability to upgrade to 4gb
>2 usb ports
>802.11n wi-fi
>6h battery life, or ability to replace for 6h battery
>run linux, Libre, LyX, firefox, yt vids, 4chan

because I'm carrying it around, less weight is a plus.
because I'm a poor student, the cheaper the better (<$220)
what older thinkpad model(s) should I be looking for?

>>60231411
z60m
t500

>>60231502
aren't they both 15.4"?

>>60225926

Is there anyway to get a t420 to support two external monitors, with or without a dock?

>>60231875
Only with a dedicated GPU.

>>60231926
Different guy here. how much would one cost? Also, I have two monitors, but they're both old and only support VGA. Would that be possible?

>>60231926
>Only with a dedicated GPU.

How would plug it to the machine? By the VGA port?

>>60231948
my point exactly

>>60231948
VGA + Display Port.

If your unit doesn't have a dGPU already you're fucked unless you wanna replace your mobo.

If you're thinking I suggested somehow plugging in an eGPU or upgrading to one, you have to go back.

>>60231072
-p did exist before the --40s, it was the precursor to the W series. The T61p was the last of them. As you said, the T440p is the successor to the T430, with the regular T440 being a closer relative to the T430u.

is getting a t540P with a 4700qm worth it? is it possible to get that processor in a T440p? Reason being I use VM's. I don't plan on gaming, I don't care for a gpu either. and yes i would swap the Tx40's trackpad with a trackpad from a Tx50 for the better experience.

or should I just get a Tx30 with an i7 3720QM if i can find one for cheap?

I have an x220

>>60232441
Good for you.

So I grabbed a T420 for pretty cheap off of ebay, used but functional, without any HDDs.
It arrived today and it looks pretty reasonable, but of wear here and there but nothing that bothers me too much. I haven't got round to picking up an SSD for it yet, so I'm trying to boot with only a pen drive plugged into it. Its battery appeared to be completely drained when I received it. It boots sometimes when I plug the charger in, and only occasionally when I press the power button. Is this a common issue that's easily fixed or should I return it? Got 14 days to send it back so I'm not in too much of a hurry

Are T4XX (ie T40) worth purchasing? Because I sure as hell don't see it as a good idea. Are they unreliable and prone to component failures?

>>60232474
just replace the battery.

>>60232524
Thanks, working now
Do you have to do this often or just now and then?

>>60232455
thx.

>>60232504
T40 and T42?
They really aren't useful beyond light web browsing and word processing.

>>60227412
> inb4 bad engrish

I want to buy a Chinkpad as a secondary computer.

What would you recommend me, T410 or T400?
> I don't need much power on a secondary computer, but (in my country) it's like $65 bucks more expensive the T410 than the 400

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>the year of our lord, 2017
>not getting a T430 and slapping in a T420 keyboard

>>60232953

>2017
>having autism

Does an X230 Tablet take an X220 keyboard just like a regular X220?

I would imagine there are physical design differences and a different BIOS

>>60232967
>2017
>typing on a wet sponge

>>60227412
>pe 5. toukokuuta
=^)

>>60226742
can someone explain this to me?

>>60232976
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

>>60228651
While I agree the architecture is outdated performance is not. Given that most laptops have an i5 or i7 XXXXu processor they're always lowered power consumption which stops being relevant when comparing to the sandy and ivy bridge M. Even the 6700HQ is on par with the 3720QM which you can get in a thinkpad/latitude/elitebook for cheap. Also if you're gaming on one literally KYS

My thinkpad's fan died.
I ordered a replacement. Can't wait to get it. Is it hard to replace on X201T?

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>>60232953

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>>60233073

>>60233030
yeah, read through that already. It vaguely says that it's supported on any other X23* line but there is no documentation or confirmation that it works for the tablet line, which clearly has different palmrests etc

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Hello /tpg/,
I have a HMT351S6CFR8C-H9 4GB DDR3 ram module, and I want to buy another 8GB one.
I came across this one: CT102464BF160B (http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct102464bf160b)
I know it is a DDR3L. My question is if it will work as a DD3R in sync with the other 4GB module on my T420.
Anybody familiar with this? (I want that 8GB DDR3L because I might get another one in the future to get 16gigs)
>pic unrelated

>>60232953
Since you seem to know about this keyboard autism, W520 or W530? Is the swap possible if I get a 530?

>>60233357
No bios for key swap

>>60233366
Well. I don't hate the keyboard on the 530 since I've already used it in a different model. I'll probably go with that for the future proofing.

>>60233366
Wut

>>60233073
Did you cover up those couple pins in the keyboard? I've heard they short circuit and overheat if you don't cover some specific pins.

>>60233366
Ignore this retard, the ec firmware works fine on a 530

>>60233414
This only affects the x230

>>60231592
ignore him he's meeming

look for a x200 - x220 for 12"

Or t400 - t430

or if you want really old, x61 but iirc that's only 12"

>>60233597
honestly forgot to read the op
ktgee and thinkwiki have helped a lot. going for 410/420/420s.

>>60233056
>>60230074
x220 i5s are 4 generations behind. Performance is more than clockspeed. Some of us also like to run 3-4 programs at a time.

My x201 i3 struggles running a web browser (2-3 tabs), emacs, filezilla, and discord at the same time.

>>60233652
What the fuck are you shilling?

Everything since the first core I series can do anything this gen can.

>>60233456
no you stupid retard, it also affects t430.

What's the easiest way to upgrade my display on a T430 1366x768?

>>60233678
[citation needed]

>>60233652
Your X201 i3 is barely even half as fast as a second-gen i5. It's after Sandy Bridge that the diminishing returns kicked in hard.

>>60233710
citation on what, fucktard?
wiki clearly says there is a difference between old and new keyboards. There is a different pinout in the shitlet one and that's why these pins needs to be covered.
It doesn't say anything about x230 being the only laptop affected. It's just shown as an example.
Seriously shoot yourself shitpai

>>60233652
I have an X220 tablet PC and it's awesome. I do multitasking easily. I also run virtual machines on it without much of a problem (and 2nd gen i5 is as far back as I'd go to run a VM).

Even my X200 tablet is good enough for basic multitasking and browsing, and it has a low-power Core 2 Duo.

Unless you're doing hardcore video encoding or something, the X220 is more than enough for most people.

I'm thinking about building an X220 for laffs. I have a brand new sealed motherboard with whatever mid level i5 which is decent enough. How hard would it be to procure all the necessary parts to build it brand new? So far the only thing I'm having trouble finding is the fucking antenna wiring. Anyone know where I could get them?

>>60233439
Oh really? So I'm looking at either a W530 or a M4700 at this point, both have Ivy Bridge procs and meet my needs. If anyone has any personal experience with either let me know. I know there are diminishing returns after Sandy Bridge so W520 and M4600 are also on the table.

I'm planning to at least dualboot if not run GNU/Linux exclusively, I don't envision any major issues on the thinkpad side, but I don't know how Dell machines fair.

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Ovenpad Chronicles II
>In the previous episode: Paellanon bought an almost mint condition x220 (esthetically at least), but it turned to be an Oven. Asking for advice on /tpg/, he was asked to replace the thermal paste ASAP.

So, tomorrow is the day. Been thinking in bring the Ovenpad to a computer rapair shop and save the headache... and spend my saving for the SSD to pay another man to rape my child.
So... am I doing right?

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>>60233927
Thermal paste is trivially easy to do if you can operate a screwdriver.

Maybe you belong in an oven.

>>60233752
I've had a swapped x230 for 2 years and it hasn't shorted or otherwise fucked up. I did do the EC flash for better functionality tho, I dunno if that matters.

>>60233927

Its 4 screws to take off the heatsink. Why would you take it to a repair place? TIM reapplication is a <30 minute thing.

>>60233646
I've got a t420s and would definitely recommend it, with a somewhat old battery I get about 5 hours doing word processing, you can extend that with an ultrabay battery too.
I've got a 128gb ssd and 8gb ram and it's blazing fast

Anyone have the t470? Got one coming in the mail, brand new from lenovo. Gonna be installing Arch or Debian on it. Anyone have any experience installing GNU/Linux on a t470? This will be my first linux only machine, and my first time using/installing Arch or Debian.

>>60233652
I can run way more than that on a fucking t9600, what the hell are you talking about?

>>60233652
>>60233769
Fun fact: The i5-2520m is as fast as the ULV i5s in modern ultrabooks.

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>>60234425
Your T9600 embarrasses his i3.

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>>60234477
>being this retarded

>>60234409
I've got my T470, still distro hopping around, ubuntu has terrible video play back issues with screen tearing, bunsenlabs hydrogen doesn't recognize anything at all, KDE's neon feels terrible, think I might try my first arch install

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>>60234477
>>60234518
It can't even beat a first gen ULV i5.

>>60234518
>>60234553
>passmark

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>>60234526
If you think your inability to fix these issues will improve under Arch, you are fucking retarded.

>>60233927
You should kys yourself.

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>>60233927
>not replacing your own thermal paste

>>60234582
KDE is just a weird DE, ubuntu doesn't have drivers available for 7200u on 17.04 yet which causes playback issues, and bunsenlabs may have been a broken install, the fixes are don't use plasma 5, wait for updates, and try to fix an install of a distro I wasn't that interested in. Neck yourself you faggot.

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>>60234578

>>60233927
You're wasting all that money you saved by buying an x220 on replacing its thermal paste.

You are a retard.

>>60234865
thermal paste is like $10, what are you on about

>>60234923
He's going to pay someone $100 to do it.

>>60234526
If you have video tearing issues, your best bet is Wayland, no matter the distro. I often just load up Sway in a tty to watch videos, though you might need a better approach if you want do other things at the same time.

>>60234923
A lifetime supply of it at that. But he's forking out to have someone else undo the few screws for him instead.

>>60234937
oh i see now

yeah that's a bit retarded, but repasting x series is also a huge pain in the dick, it's basically a full teardown. i can understand sending it in if he's never done it before.

>>60234847
not an arguement

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Got a ThinkPad 13 this week but the fan roars up immediately on the tiniest CPU load.

Am I just unlucky and got a defective unit? The coil whining is also pretty intense, though.

>>60234964
I never did a full teardown of a laptop before last week when I decided I was going to fully mod the fuck out of my T430.

It was pretty painless, and the dude is likely just a lazy piece of shit or a huge pussy.

It's probably more likely that the (((computer shop))) fucks something up than he will to his own laptop.

>>60234986
ubuntu is your problem buddy

>>60235004
>It's probably more likely that the (((computer shop))) fucks something up than he will to his own laptop.
Either that or they blow some canned air into the vents and call it a day.

>>60235011
It came with Windows 10 and has the same issues there. Ubuntu is only a live USB stick for testing but I could give it another try with a different distro later.

>>60235097
i'm just fucking with you i have no idea why something like that would happen

it sounds like a hardware, bios (if fan curve is set in bios for that model), or silicon lottery problem

that'd be my guess

I don't lurk /tpg/ that often, but I seriously hope y'all didn't and don't recommend the T430s to anyone. Just got out of trying to get to the CPU to replace the thermal paste because I couldn't even get the keyboard bezel off. The guide on Lenovo's site is allegedly for the T430s and T430i, but the illustrations may be for the T430i, because the wiring going through the bezel isn't removable from underneath the keyboard; I don't know how the fuck you're supposed to get it out without tearing the whole thing down. The CPU gets so damn hot that I had to get a shitty cooling fan for it. Back on the battery, it's one of those shitty batteries like on the P50; you can't get an extended 9 cell battery. The battery life itself is fucking abysmal and lasts you about one and a half hours when you're doing menial things, like a word processor or very light internet browsing (my friend who uses a T430s provided by his previous college claims to get an hour and FORTY minutes, my machine was a refurb so it would be no surprise that my battery is more worn). The only upsides I see to the T430s are the low weight of the system, the USB 3.0 ports, and the one USB port on the back that remains active when the computer is suspended, so you can charge a device with it. Other than that, there is no reason to get this if the the T420 is an option. Hell, I'd even recommend the regular T430, because then you could jump for the better battery.

tl;dr the T430s is trash please don't recommend it to anyone thx u my mans

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Anyone know what model this is?

>>60235205
Whatever it is, it's not a Thinkpad.

>>60235205
It's not a Thinkpad

>>60235205

This whole image is fucking disgusting.

hey /g/ i want a used thinkpad. nothing ancient something nice and spiffy. like 6th gen intel.

should I get refurbished? or straight up used? best place to start looking?

>>60235352
what country do you live in?

>>60235352
T43p

Can x220 output to a 1080p/144hz monitor?

Are these temps normal for a 2520m cpu stress test? Why is one core hotter than the other?

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>>60235557
fug

>>60235557
That's normal.
>>60235565
This however, is not.

Best processor for thinkpad t430.

>>60235679
3840QM (45W) w/dGPU Heatsink.

Otherwise 3612QM (35W) with normal Heatsink.

Both are quad cores.

39xxXM is a housefire and will throttle no matter what.

>>60235703
If i disable TB?

>>60235756
Not going to matter much.

>>60235428
US

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>>60235565
>>60235607
And now? I have tpfancontrol set on 8 (unengaged or as fast as possible) still why is one core 6c° hotter than the other? I assume it's the one closer to the igpu but the igpu is drawing less watts than the cpu. Maybe uneven thermal paste application? Can anyone please do a similar test and confirm that's how it should be?

>>60235835
easy then
eBay and Craigslist

>>60235861
refurbished from third party? or private seller?

>>60235703
Oops, I forgot there is a 3632QM (35W). This is the best bet for 35W.

Just got a t420, any necessary/quality of life mods I should do?

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Thinkpad W530 or Elitebook 8570w?

>>60232375
If you can, try upgrade your Tx40P with the i7 4712MQ - it is clocked slightly lower (2.2GHz compared to 2.4GHz) but it actually has a lower TDP of 37W which is the same as the dual core i7 and i5 CPUs while being a full quadcore (the 4700MW is 47W).

http://ark.intel.com/products/78933/Intel-Core-i7-4712MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz

>>60233752
the wiki also says that you can put t420 palmrest on t430. the wiki is retarded. watch a talk of hamish coleman (the guy who created the ec firmware mod) called something like "my fight against a modern computer". but yes, the pins need to be isolated, but not because the wiki says so.

>>60236775
Elitebook.

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>>60232953
>2017
>using the mushy clumped-together meme keyboard
nice one, cuck.

>>60237414
Is there any reason why?

>>60236775
W530 has better battery if that's important to you

>>60237647
Yeah I care about the better battery, the Thinkpad and the Elitebook I'm looking at both have the same processor and graphics so I might as well go with the Thinkpad if it has better battery.

>>60225926
x220 vs x230, go.

>>60237670
Just a fair warning, the W series are not light laptops and neither are their power bricks. If you're carrying this day to day in a bag it might not be the best idea.

>>60226325
>Implying that it makes a noticeable real world difference
plus it's still far faster to throw an ssd into any machine (even sata 1 machines)

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Prove to me that the P50/P51 is not the most aesthetic computer on the modern market you can purchase currently

Might be a dumb question but, my 6cell battery for my x230 borked out on me. Im looking to get a 9cell battery for it now. Will my 65w charger my thinkpad came with be okay charging the 9cell or will I have to get the 90w?

jesus fucking christ, somebody buy my shit already

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ThinkPad-X220-NO-OS-X201-NO-OS-Extras-Bundle-/332188700860?

>>60237779
>laptop with numpad and off-center trackpad

Not even close to aestheTICC.

>>60238545
> 80GB HDD (Freshly DBAN'd)
nice job killing the hdd retard

>>60238671
How the fuck does that "kill" it?

>>60238681
>doesn't know dban was made to kill HDDs
lmao

>>60238671
Nice job retardposting, shit for brains.

I just bought one of your silly meme machines, an x120e. I'm honestly astonished at how well I runs. I thought it would end up as an expensive paper weight.
My only question is what is the best way to clean it? It's in good condition but I'd like to make sure the keyboard and chassis are clear of residual cum stains.

>>60238693
>I troll /g/ generals.

Watchout ladies.

Budget: absolute max 300$ CAD
Location: Canuckistan
Size: Pretty small, gonna be moving around with it a lot
Performance: The best my budget can afford

Just got a used x230. what should i do first?

>>60239016
x230 / x220 if you need the old keyboard and can't afford the mod

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>>60226347
Finally someone else who doesn't mind them.

>>60226511
I have a few OEM keys, I can give you one. (;

>>60226523
imo a T60p is a great experience, I loved both 3:4 versions of the 14" and 15" models.
Personally I liked the SXGA+ T60p's I had, but I reserved UXGA for T43p and A31p, I think I got a subpar panel for the UXGA T601 I had

>>60226578
Nice
I had a weird problem on my T30's, they had a blown IC chip on the last two I had
They are both unoperational now. Need to get a good mobo and for the mint unit I have with an SXGA+ panel.

I got an old t420 from a garage sale. Could I take the screen off and just use an external monitor? I'll be using the latest Ubuntu. DP++

>>60239154
Just curious, why go to the trouble of removing the screen? Why not connect external peripherals and leave everything intact?

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>>60226837
Do you have a source?
I know the R-Series was produced by Acer until the R50 came along.
Not sure who made the G40, G41 and G50. Supposedly the latter had a core 2 duo, dunno if it was a desktop C2D but i am sure it would of been able to handle it.

>>60226856
The 701C is the model to get, CS stood for DSTN display, it was actually a cheaper panel, despite it sounding better.

>>60226945
Thanks for that link anon
The 770X I got from a fellow TPF member had a bill of $4,400 or so.
Beautiful machines they are.

>>60227412
Fairly impressive!

>>60227303
If you have the extra $100 to spend, you might be happier with a T430 or E6440

>>60228651
X250 is better if you wish for Windows 10 integration and better battery life and slimness.
However I dislike how X-Series went the ultrabook route.

>>60230107
Update your bios!
Maybe the FHD display draws too much power on the T520.
Just get a 90W adapter, its $15 vs a blown motherboard or adapter

>>60239213
The screen is terrible.

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How do I reenable my wifi via "hardware switch" linux says my wifi is turned off via "wifi switch" and it's on airplane mode since I put my msata SSD.

>>60239118
>imo a T60p is a great experience, I loved both 3:4 versions of the 14" and 15" models.

How about the 15.4'' (widescreen) version with a 1680x1050 display?

>>60238693
More like nuking them. KillDisk was made to kill disks (duh).

>>60235162
T430s is the bridge between the infamous T440. Of course it'll be shitty

>>60229821
Jesus, how did that happened?

>>60230786
Retailer most likely
>go to meetup event and talk to some dude who sells music albums
>he had a tape and a CD of an album
>buyer pays for tape (which is cheaper), expects the CD
>gets pissed and says they deserve the CD for free and keeping the tape
>guy says no because its $70 vs $15
>he ended up getting booted on amazon.

>>60233680
Lid swap with a 900p panel and cable.

>>60237305
The moment I saw him and how he introduced the laptop I clicked away from it.
All of those videos are pretty fucking hard to watch.

I mean I could do the T430s keyboard swap if I really want to
But I feel its a waste of time since I already have gotten used to it.

If I could do an X300 keyboard swap, then hell yea.

>>60238786
You can soak the keyboard in water, so long as it dries fully after 3 days.

But the chicklet keys bug me, especially if there are hairs underneath them.

>>60239255
Toggle it off and on your screen.

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>>60239154
I believe you should be able to.
You may have to press FN and F... something each boot.

>>60239255
There should be a physical button on your laptop
It should be placed... oh wait, you didn't tell me what fucking model you had. Guess you won't know (;
>I toggled it and it still doesn't work
Try another distro


>>60239284
Personally I didn't care for them much. :x
When I had 15.4" they felt too unwieldy, and the nVidia 140m or whatever it was on the T61p wasn't too awesome to use.
If you're going 15.4" get a W500 so you can do 8GB RAM cheaper.
Otherwise, if you're sticking with DDR2, there is a Titanium lid Z61m or WUXGA Z61p to nab if you are lucky.

>>60230107
It's normal for the CPU to be throttled if running on a 65W PSU with no battery inserted. Either insert battery, or (better yet) get a 90W PSU.

>>60239341
>should be able to
Can I also get the keyboard wet? >>60239307
T420

>>60229689
>T60
No.
>T61
Yes, it's the first Thinkpads with AMT. The best you can do to avoid AMT is to get a T60p with T7600 2.33 GHz CPU, ATi FireGL v5250 256MB graphics, and 3 GiB usable RAM. Storage limited to SATA I speeds, 9mm 2.5'' drives.

>>60239371
It has a spill drainage hole under the keyboard.

>>60239307
That's different though. There it was a customer vs seller complaint, in my case it's clearly LaserShip's fault.

>>60233652
I can run a browser with hundreds of tabs on an Atom netbook from the previous decade. You're clearly doing something wrong.

>>60238938
>darik's boot and nuke
>nuke
lmao

This is a very specific question that I can't find the answer to but does anyone know the FRU code for the W530 motherboard with the K2000M GPU and quad channel memory slots?

>>60229437
It's not AMT which is the real problem, but the ME circuitry which the AMT firmware runs on.

Some try to do something about it
http://me.bios.io/Main_Page
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/
It's just not an easy task at all.

>>60239550
>https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/pl/en/product_security/ps500104
>x201 not listed

So Lenovo does not intend to release patched firmware for the x201 series? Are the x201 kill?

What's a good desktop environment for x220 that doesn't have xbox hueg taskbars and titlebars

>>60239457
>formerly chuck's

>>60239118
Do more reviews pls, but don't spent a year making them like with the pixel.

Also, stop eating so many tacos, you are getting
fat.

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>>60239610
ok, I laughed

>>60239307
>If I could do an X300 keyboard swap, then hell yea.
Is it that good?

Planning to grab a x301, is the same keyboard right?

>>60239605
KDE

>>60239446
Really? well fuck

>>60239450
>being perfectly fine with using an atom notebook and having 40+ tabs
You got a tow hitch on your Honda Del Sol as well?

>>60239623
KK :)
It's mostly pizza and booze.

>>60239636
keyboard had some fucking god tier feedback IMO, and the lid matte finish on the palmrest is amazing compared to plastic FRP they do.

>>60238214

too dumb of a question? Im getting yeses & noes from people

X1 Carbon master race reporting in

Enjoy your fat le classic thinkpad maymays

Good idea for cheap wiif replacement card for my t420? getting shitty speeds/conection in my college room, my desktop has some AC +5ghz card that works flawlessly.

>>60239700
>keyboard had some fucking god tier feedback IMO, and the lid matte finish on the palmrest is amazing compared to plastic FRP they do.
but is the same keyboard ?? I mean the one on the x301?

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>>60239849
What model did you have?
I disliked how the flimsy the lid felt on the X1C3
However, I liked how lulzy the X1C2 keyboard was and the FN button bs...
Ultimately I am happy with my T430s because of muh gaming performance it has.

>>60240036
I'm sorry, yes it is. X301 is the same except DDR3 RAM and I think better CPUs.

>>60240097
Had an old 420 for work which was fine and all, but being on the go holding a clunky fat pad made life tough.

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Boss asked me to setup some 'good laptops' for his business partners.
How bad is it if I give them i5 E6430's?

>>60238786
what distro?

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God bless overclocking.

>>60237305
not-covering these pins won't cause your keyboard to stop function after a short while, it will just slowly burn the isolation layer a little bit. It might fail after, I don't know, 5 years?
but still you should cover these. I did this to my previous t430 and it was working fine.

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>>60232953
T430 should've been aborted by lelnovo before it got released.
The screen is FUCKING GARBAGE and lenovo should be also sued for causing eye cancer for many users.

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>>60240528
what laptop is that, senpai desu familia?
>>60232953

>>60240512
James, what are you doing with all these laptops?

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>>60234406
hm did you pay in total? There is a T420s for sale with 160GB ssd, 4gb ram and an i5-2520M for $170. It does have a scratch on top of the casing though.

>see pic

I don't need it right now at all since my next study is starting September, but on a scale 1-10. how good of a deal is it?

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>>60232657
That is exactly what I'm planning to do with them. I wonder if T30 can run GNUnet and i2p at the same time.
>>60232812
From what I have experienced, T410 would be pretty good option when it comes to upgrading that because DDR2 4gb sticks are rare. T61 and T400 are quite similar to each other if not identical etc.
What I would recommend you do to is just lurk and wait if you manage to get a good deal or the second best deal for that matter.
>>60232997
I don't get it. Everything else is English but not that section. Fug :DDDD
>>60239118
I was also wondering if I could this 1400x1050 panel to T60. That had some 1024x768 panel if I remember correctly
>>60239227
Well I got 701cs for 30€
>Fairly impressive!
This T30 has seen the hell, because the previous owner probably took all of the screws of and did no pack this computer firmly to its package. No wonder the HDD is dead.
>>60239398
Okay, thanks for the info.

>Pic
IT'S A TRAP

>>60240512
Ask him to define "good laptops"

also, give me one of of those.

>>60240528
enjoy your housefire.
also post cpuz and benchmark it pls

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/98-New-LCD-Rear-Cover-Top-Lid-Back-Cover-for-Lenovo-Thinkpad-X230-X230i-04W6895-/152431918714?hash=item237da67e7a:g:Lm8AAOSwnipWVUhv

Fucking chinks. What the fuck does 98% new mean?

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>>60230295
>>60230266
aaaand the 7260ac wlan module upgrade is complete.
Next week I'm gonna replace the 3,5G wwan card with LTE one.

For anyone who has used hackintosh for quite a while on an X220

Does El Capitan perform better than Sierra?

should i fuck with generic batteries for my x220 or just spend the 100 dollars on a genuine 9cell?

>>60240528
How? I thought only the 3920XM and 3940XM were unlocked.

>>60240672
>anything but the 1080p panel
>hurr my panel is shit
m8

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>>60240687
T430.

>>60241329
I posted the passmark benchmark (9925). Hold on let me grab CPU-Z and do it again.

>>60242553
Unlocked BIOS.

Pretty disappointed in the screen upgrade I just did on my X230. The viewing angles of the IPS are nice but the colors aren't good and their is ghosting.

Is it a waste of money to spec out my X1 Carbon? Maxing out to 16 gigagroos of RAM and choosing the i7 is a huge price increase.

I've been told that 8 gig and i5 is more than enough for mid to heavy MS Excel. But then again, /g/ and most especially /tpg/ is a bunch of stingy cheap fucks. What do I do senpai?

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>>60241329

>>60242965
>1080p panel
>t430
pick only one. There is a (theoretically working) conversion board from LVDS to eDP, but it's known from shitting itself when 45W CPU is present on the board due to a lot of noise coming from power section.
T430 is shit. Let it die peacefully.

>>60243561
>MS excel
ewwwwwlll

>>60243945
I need 1080p on an X or a T then, what should I get?

>>60244000
x220/x230.
Avoid T430. It's really problematic.

How do they fit two SSD's in the T470p?
I've only found one teardown on line. I'm assuming what I circled in red is where the WWAN card would go and they can replace it with an SSD.
On the Lenovo UK website the only secondary storage drive you can get is a 128GB "SATA 3, M.2 SSD"

I wouldn't say I'm a laptop expert but is that slot a M.2 slot?

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>>60244066
forgot the pic

>>60244083
Yes, that's it. see that screw next to the antennae? It attaches to an m.2 SSD.

Don't forget to kill yourself after for wasting money on a latest gen TP.

>>60243945
>>60244037
t. jealous x2xx housefire user

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got my 1TB hdd and slapped it into the T420's caddy tray

>>60244037
It doesn't have a 1080p screen

>>60235129
tpfan control is needed for older thinkpads to get rid of the shitty fan curves, don't know if it still applies

>>60236775
thinkpad is more portable and compact, 8570w is metal everywhere so take what you will from that, also it has a number pad

>>60244618
What are you talking about?
You can upgrade x220/x230 to full hd, you CAN'T upgrade T430.

>>60241098
I'm in britistan, mine had one screen latch broken and didn't come with the ssd, for £150. alsom all t420s are the 900p display iirc

quick hp 2570p review:
-all metal build is great, feels really solid
-screen is as bad as any thinkpad tn from that time, is "fine" for displaying information humans can look at
-pointer is pretty good, no middle button sucks
-trackpad is nicer than x220/x230
-popout keyboard lamp is hilariously useless vs thinklight(tm), but a neat mechanism to ocd fidget with over and over
-keyboard feel isn't any worse than a macbook pro/air, layout is not as good as xx20 or even xx30, motherfuck any kb that makes you fn modify for pg up/dn
-dvd drive in a 12" laptop is pretty cool, will probably put in a caddy though
-bootable esata port is nice, will probably be underused
-laffo @ smartcard slot
-internal accessibility is fucking great, everything is right there under one panel. once everything is repasted, upgraded, etc, everyday usefulness drops pretty quick, but man i won't dread getting in there like i did getting my x220 heatsink off
-broadcom wifi is shit shit shit with [my linux distro of choice]. replaced it with some jobber intel card i had laying around so now it doesn't take 30 seconds to reconnect after standby

it might sound like im shitting on it, but the 2570p is still a hell of a lot better than most laptops. that sata3 raid0 thing the one dude was jerking off over, cpu upgradability, dvd drive, might be enough for some people to overlook the design shortcomings.

final verdict: still prefer my x220, but a fair 2nd place out of all the laptops ive touched. will use as a beater or whenever i feel like mixing it up. might gift it to the next friend whose shitty acer desolders itself

>>60244988
>trackpad pleb
nope

>>60245031
2570p trackpad is better than x2x0 trackpad is what im saying. of course the pointer is best

>>60245067
I agree
I sometimes use the bottom buttons to click but on the x230 its absolute cancer

>>60245083
i basically only use the trackpad to 2-finger scroll if im like laying on the couch with the x220 on my gut, as it's easier to get to than the middle button in horrible slob position

Is there any way to fix the wireless network glitch on the T440 where after every 10 seconds the network disconnects and tries to reconnect?
I tried everything.

>>60245138
what OS

>>60245142
Windows 10

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I have an R61i. I love her, she's my everything. I call her Pure Blue because of her blue trackpoint.
I'm not thinking of replacing her, I'm just curious about something: How are the new Thinkpads? What's the state of their keyboards?

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t-thanks TSA
http://imgur.com/a/Ly6Yd

>>60245213
New Thinkpad keyboards are supposed to be the best keyboards you can find on business laptops today, but aren't that good compared to old thinkpad keyboards

>>60245238
Holy crap fucking gg man sorry

>>60245238
what the fuck
this is why I fucking hate flying to the US

>>60245238
>tfw burgerland force you to use mac.

>>60245238
And people called me crazy when the TSA took my thinkpad because it booted into xubuntu.

>>60245419
What, what? Explain what happened in detail please. Why did the TSA turn on your computer?

>>60245405
install a nice less limited distro on your mac and its a pretty good laptop

>>60245444
they ask you to turn it on to make sure you haven't gutted it and turned it into a bomb

I flew from the UK to Beijing via Germany and they said that computers need to be on for security to check but no one bothered checking my tablet

>>60245521
>see grub to systemd
oh god I hope they atleast know a bit about computers

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>>60245444
I was visiting US for blackhat, got called by some TSA guy telling me that he needs to check my laptop.
He then told me to turn it on, which I did.
It booted to default Xfce, he then told me to step a side, then he called another guy then the spent like 20 minutes fiddling with it, after that they called me telling me they can't let this in because it's suspicious.
After arguing, they let me take the SSD, after telling them it had my important data.
Now that I think about it a custom GRUB image might have been a bad idea.
Ever since then, I always swap the boot up device with windows OS when I go traveling.

New thread:
>>60245690

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>>60245238
>shoves his thinkpad under a heavy flat object like a book
>inside a giant bag of random clothes and shit
>surprised when it gets tossed around as if it just had clothes in it
>surprised the force broke his laptop

I promise you this would not have happened if it was in its own bag.

>>60245677
Dude, you should reach out to the media. This would easily make a story.

>>60245238
why didn't you take it on your carry on luggage?

>>60245779
That was a few years ago, and because I didn't know what was going on exactly, I thought they would give it back.

>>60245238
>superior thinkpad(TM) quality
hahaahah

>>60237779
absolutely disgusting

>>60241098
>>60244904
Highway robbery

>>60245238
It got jammed in the machinery that moves bags around or something. That's not normal ramp rat damage from chucking your bag.

>>60232441
I have a T430

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>>60244988
I was going to make a video about one of these because they are always talked about it so much.
Thanks for the script!

>>60245238
>not having TSA locks
I took my chromebook pixel and x61T to El Salvador and back on my carry on.
No fucks given by them.
>expecting airline companies to not mishandle your computer

>>60245779
>a hacker was boarding on the airplane and the TSA agents were able to stop him