/pcbg/ - PC Building General

I like the new OP info a lot better than how we had it a couple months back.

>>60221320
you can always edit it by making the thread yourself, that's what i did two threads ago to add a few more informations
But the poor thing is at the damn character limits, you can add two lines at best

This thread has been on an AMD trip lately. They've made it seem like ryzen is only one or two percent behind intel in gaming, and over 200% better in everything else, and 6 months from now all games will be ryzen optimized and run 200% better in gaming than intel as well.

Now while that's plausible it's unlikely. It's more or less the same story as bulldozer/FX. Back then everyone was on this huge "8 cores is the future! In 1 year it'll beat all intel in gaming because games will start using all 8 cores!" etc etc..

Basically it's possible ryzen will pull massively ahead in gaming, but it's extremely unlikely. The current get of consoles have been 8 cores and have been out for nearly 3 years now iirc, and games still rarely use more than 2-4 cores. Some games (like BF1) do use the CPU very well, and ryzen has a very slight lead over the 7700k in BF1, but imo that's about the extent of what we'll ever see. In well optimized games ryzen might do 20% better, but for the majority of the games the 7700k will still have a lead.

It's all speculation, but there is some precedent.

Ryzen is the choice right now if you want to do anything workbench and such related (rendering, editing, encryption, etc), but intel is still the better gaming choice, which is what most people here care about.

And it's worth noting that it's not like the 7700k suddenly became a bad CPU like people make it out. It's still extremely good at all of those things, so it's not like if you buy it suddenly you won't be able to render or stream shit.

TL;DR; Because of the hype lately, it's been made out like the 7700k isn't worth getting anymore, and ryzen will "mature" and get exponentially better. For right now, this isn't true and the 7700k is still very very powerful, even if some people would have you believe otherwise.

>>60221320
ty. Collaborative effort.
Yeah, it sucked before because threads were mostly spammed by the owner of logicalincrements who was a paid shill.

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>>60221359
>It's more or less the same story as bulldozer/FX
this started like a decent critique but then you had to drop this shit
sorry, not reading the rest of your message

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>>60221359
>AMD trip lately
Simply recommending what is best at the price points.

Most of what you say is based on day1 benchmarks where Ryzen had 2133/2400 RAM and Intel had 3200/3466.
The 1600X beats the 7700k in a good deal of games.
Games aren't good CPU benchmarks, anyway. Especially when they do shit like see that it's an AMD CPU and assume it's Bulldozer, and do bulldozer optimizations that fuck up performance on Ryzen. Even in those cases, it still performs well. Simply put, a 1600+AMD GPU never shits the bed like even a 5GHz 7600k + any GPU does in a number of games. It's consistently good, and sometimes it's fantastic.

also >>60221378

>>60221378
Sadly :/ I love AMD. But they don't age as well as people make it out. Ryzen is an excellent chip, but intel is still the better choice for anything that isn't fully 8 core threaded. Very few programs are.

And it's not like the 7700k is bad at any of those things.

Either way, just buy one, and forget about it for the next 4-6 years.

Intel is the better choice for the majority of games, and likely will remain that way. For properly threaded/optimized games, ryzen may have a small to moderate lead, but it's likely that the 7700k will still be better in almost every other game.

But again, either way it's going to be a more than decent CPU.

>>60221359
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qnmrCy

how does this look?

>>60221399
What if I don't have the money to dump on a $300 CPU? What about mid-range CPUs that I don't have to spend $150 on an overclockable mobo? Is Intel still better then?

>>60221359
To give you a bit more background you're sort of comparing apples to oranges. Intel has been the only player when it comes to high-end 6+ core CPUs for a while and since these CPUs also aren't aimed at the consumer market they have been (and are) obscenely expensive. AMD on the other hand have always had more cores and with Ryzen now have a line-up that can compete with Intel.

You want more cores for streaming and video editing and AMD is currently offering that at a price Intel can't compete with. Intel hasn't released a current gen version (i7-7XXX) 6+ core CPU yet and these are expected to come at the end of 2017 (edit: jumping to "i7-8XXX" for 8th gen apparently). No matter what they come up with we're looking at a much closer gap than we've seen for years. What they'll do with pricing is a bit up in the air at this point.

You migh have noticed that people feel very strongly one way or the other when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia/Intel and you'll want to be a bit careful about taking anything at face value. The AMD bias is pretty strong on /g/ without that necessarily meaning what people are saying isn't true.

>>60221420
Save your money until you can buy the i7-8700K

>>60221399
Why are you using Bulldozer as a comparison basis for Ryzen?

That's like using Pentium D as a comparison basis for Sandy Bridge.
ie: it makes you a retard.
Pls leave thread.

>>60221420
People on /g/ are usually comparing the 1700 to the 7700k. The 7700k is actually CHEAPER. 300 dollars versus the 1700 $320 dollar, which also performs worse in everything that isn't optimized to take advantage of all those cores, which is barely anything out right now.

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Am I doing something wrong? It said that these parts were compatible but when I try to put my card in it appears that it does not fit.

>>60221431
>want to spend money on a reasonably-priced mid-range CPU
>j-j-j-j-just save your money!!
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>60221399
>but intel is still the better choice for anything that isn't fully 8 core threaded.
I don't think you understand that your computer can run more than one .exe at a time
And if you're looking to spend 310+ for a fucking CPU, then it better be fucking the best at it

>Intel is the better choice for the majority of games
No. The 7700k* (not intel) has better performance for the majority of games. Is it a better choice for a guy with a GTX 970 from three years ago? Nope, no difference. A guy with a GTX 1060? Still no difference. A guy that doesn't have a 144hz screen? No difference either. Would be a massive waste of money to go for a 7700k in those situations. Performing better at one specific thing =/= Being the best choice

>but it's likely that the 7700k will still be better in almost every other game.
Yes, thats indisputed. That's why everyone here says that if you game and only game, and are looking into high end, only the 7700k is to be considered. But the Ryzen CPUs over much better value than Intel ones, and are straight better at i5/r5 levels (which is what most people buy), so they end up being recommended more.

>>60221359
7700k is poor value for money, but it is the best cpu for strictly gaming. i5 is also pretty much better in same-price categories vs R5's.
However, a few people in these threads actually ARE going to do some workstation tasks, even if it's just some hobby Youtube video editing or casual Twitch streaming. A lot of /g/ are also code-monkey entry level coders, or studying to be. A high-core-count cpu is nice to have for compiling.
It should just be a blanket statement : if only gaming, go Intel. If doing workstation tasks go AMD. You really don't have to think any harder than that.

>>60221440
Yes but you are also ignorning the R5s, in which Ryzen wins in almost every category. If we are talking high-cost CPUs, then yes, the i7s are better than the R7s, but that's besides the point. Most people will be buying a mid-range (read: ~$200 CPU) over a $300+ CPU.

>>60221440
Lmao you're retarded and samefag, probably.
7700k doesn't come with a cooler. A $20 cooler is not good enough for it.

If anything, 7700k should be entirely removed from recommendations because
>http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

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>>60221440
>The 7700k is actually CHEAPER
Sorry lad, $300 + $50 cooler + $170 x270 mobo is NOT cheaper than $320 + 100 mobo. No need to get a high end cooler, or a cooler at all for that matter, to actually benefit from the performances of a Ryzen CPU

>>60221445
All we're seeing is the mobo and the GPU, we can't tell you if it will fit or not just based on that
what case?

i bought a silverstone ft05 case from amazon and the insulation on the right cover wasn't cut out properly exposing over an inch wide strip of glue. should i contact amazon on silverstone?

>>60221480
>Forgets the extra dosh spent (+30% on avg) on getting high speed memory whereas 7700k's don't give a fuck, even at 2133Mhz.

>>60221495
Nvm. I'm a complete retard. There was a plastic cover on the bottom of the card.

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are high end pre-builts cheaper now? I want to build my own but if it costs more I don't see the point.

>>60221531
>forgets the $30 more for a motherboard
>could be bothered to google memory speed tests for the 7700k, but already knows it benefits from faster memory and conveniently leaves that out since it goes against his lying shill narrative
Fuck off, dumb shill. No one believes your lies.

>>60221566
r u retarded?
It says "$2,499" right there

Is it better to boot windows from the HDD or SSD? Everything is ready to go but now all I need is a fresh version of windows that I have on this bootable USB.

>>60221531
Benefiting from higher memory is a bad thing now?
Just stop spouting stupid shit man, i keep seeing retards like you saying "wow ryzen needs memory"
No, it doesn't
It fucks your shitty 7700k any time of the day even at 2133MHz RAM, because it has double the fucking cores

Cheaper, packs much more performance and no hassle with getting a good cooler, delidding and monitoring temps

>>60221577
If it's on the SSD it will boot much, much faster, and update much faster
But it also has the tradeoff of taking a good amount of hard drive space (40GB at worst)
Your choice

Although the 1700 has great IPC it's somewhat limited by its relatively low (by Kaby Lake standards) clock speed which holds it back a little in both gaming and desktop workloads.

>>60221358
Why not pastebin it? Have one each for CPU, GPU, case, PSU, etc.

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I just FUCKED UP and smudged the thermal paste that came with my cooler, should I still apply it anyways and hope it spreads back out or should I apply some 6 year old thermal paste I have in my closet

>>60221649
post pic

>>60221649
What do you mean "you smudged" it? Waste the entire fuckin tube how the hell did you manage that, anon? Not sure if thermal paste expires.

does windows 10 ever go on sale? I dont want that linuts meme, I want to actually play video games.

>>60221629
I think having pages on the wiki would make more sense

>>60221649
1st; calm the fuck down, it's just thermal paste. 2nd; how bad is it smudged? Thermal paste is pretty pliable and squishy. It's meant to spread out with the pressure from being mounted. 3rd, no idea about the old stuff you have, but your best bet may or may not be to just get some new thermal paste for a measly $6usd.

>>60221592
Considering my SSD is 500gb I might as well boot it from there. Thanks.

>>60221662
>>60221676
I smudged an area about 0.20cm^2

>>60221690
post piiiiiiiiiiiic

>>60221674
It's always free on piratebay.

>>60221674
download official iso, crack it using kmspico

>>60221674
>tfw I can get it for free with my .edu email
Feels goodman

>>60221707
I thought piratebay died
won't microsoft know? when I try to use the microsoft store?
>>60221717
whats that?

I don't understand. I have a fx 6300 and gtx 960 and still have 60fps overwatch 1080p epic. I am planning to get a i5 7400 and rx 580 to get 144z and a good gaming monitor to raise my competition. From what I understand Overwatch and CSGO is not a challenge for +$700 build

>>60221757
>when I try to use the microsoft store?
why the fuck would you ever do that to yourself?

>>60221756
I have a edu email, how can I get it for free?

>>60221761
if you want 250+ on that cpu dont bother, if you plan on actually taking csgo serious and clocking in some very good hours, go with the 7600k, i have the 7400 and get 150-220, with drops below 90... and dont even say "90 is more than enough" i own a 180 hz monitor.... thank god im ordering the 7700k soon.

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>>60221757
>whats that?
something
r that cracks windows 10 (& 8 & 7)

>>60221761
make a full build on pcpartpicker so that we can tell you exactly where to improve

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tdVwnn

So I'm building my first pc, and from what I've seen in this thread, I'm wondering if the 7700k is good idea or not. Any other advice would be appreciated.

>>60221761
What are you having trouble understanding? It's true, Overwatch and CSGO are very easy to run titles. Most FPS's are. I also got well over 60 fps in Overwatch with my Gtx 960 and Fx 8350. If you are going to upgrade your monitor, I suggest doing that before doing a new computer. See what FPS you get. Then try overclocking your CPU and GPU a bit. If your performance is still not satisfactory, then upgrade some stuff.
Btw, 144hz won't help you win any more games. It's purely for enjoyment.

>>60221768
for xbox games and shit

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>>60221706
>>60221662
It's fucking RUINED!

>>60221799
buy an xbox one for that shit
or pirate them
just like you're going to pirate windows

>>60221769
Google windows 10 education

>>60221785
It depends on usage, what precisely do you use your computer for and what would you like to use it for in the future?
Get a better cooler, that thing runs pretty hot

>>60221810
it will be fine man
cute fingerprint btw

>>60221833
I plan to strictly play video games while having AIM / Skype and Origin open.

>>60221810
It's fine. Quit being a fucking pussy.

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Hey i'm the anon in the last thread asking about how to install my RAM...

I finished and have just installed Win 10, working on the 1070 drivers... Why isn't speccy detecting my CPU temp?

Also, I couldn't even find the PLED in my case so I have no PLED... Ditto with this LED strip that came with my case, no idea where to fucking hook it up. SATA connector?

>>60221785
i'd say drop to a 7600k if you are ONLY gaming on the computer. Also what resolution? A gtx 1060 is pretty good for 1080p. At 1440p it handles, but might leave a little to be desired. Don't even try playing any AAA game at 4k with a 1060. I'd get a cheaper power supply too btw. Mobo and ram also seem a tad expensive.

>>60221847
What resolution, what fps, what games and most importantly what's the refresh rate for the screen?
Seems like a poor choice so far

>>60221844
d-d-doshio....

>>60221575
how much cheaper do you think I can get the same end result for?

>>60221851
>Why isn't speccy detecting my CPU temp?
It's a brand new architecture anon
Download the Ryzen Master tool off amd's website to monitor temp. You can also overclock the cpu with it without rebooting (but anything touching ram speed or voltage will need a reboot)

>>60221857
32" 1920x1080 60hz monitor
league of legends, final fantasy 14, and overwatch

>>60221868
Thanks, I was going to get Ryzen Master anyways. First build here, this is a lot for one day. Spent more time making sure the cables were plugged in right than actually installing the hardware. Posted on first try though.

>>60221810
That's what you made such a big fuss about? Holy shit. Just slap that puppy on. You're fine anon.
>>60221813
not necessarily ideal, but really the only worthwhile xbox games on windows store are Gears of War 4 and maybe forza if you're into that shit.

>>60221829
good shit m8, i found it. any major limits with it?

My friend wants to sell me his rig for 900 dollars. is this a good deal?
he has a phenom around 2.4ghz and a 460 GTX inside
6 gigs of ram

i dn't know what the part details are

>>60221957
nigga, you could have a brand new pc that outperforms that for less than $500 US. Your "friend" is either a dumb shit or is trying to rip you off.

>>60221851
i know HWMonitor can also monitor ryzen temps so if you have that you can also use it

>>60221874
Yeah, as i thought it's a poor choice
If you had a 240hz screen it would've been justified, it's clearly not a CPU suited for you at all
And the problem is that while usually overkill parts is still fine (like buying a GTX 1080ti for a 1080p build means the card will last you for very, very long), the problem is that there's other CPUs around, and while they can't offer the 7700k absurdly high framerate, they usually can provide more futureproofing, much more headroom for multitasking or other (non-gaming) usages

But then it would be pointless because as you said, you barely use any program open while gaming and strictly game, so you'd be getting performance that you cannot use. And the same is the case for the 7700k: the best gaming cpu for not much cpu heavy games, aka performance that you cannot use.
It's not a wise choice, you should downgrade that CPU. You can keep it, but that really is a waste of money.

>>60221912
It's Enterprise without Cortana

>>60221957
i wouldn't get this even for $200

>>60221986
so thats a good thing right???

>>60221981
>i know HWMonitor can also monitor ryzen temps so if you have that you can also use it

Thanks. I haven't touched any OC and i'm idling between 38C-48C. Is this alright?

>>60221957
I'm the same poster from >>60221972 but seriously, those parts are 7 years old. Do not buy them, at all. There's Gtx 460's on ebay for $35-$50 and even those I wouldn't tell any sane person to buy. That whole rig, put together probably cost $900 at the time of purchase, but those parts are almost worthless now.

>>60221957
fuck no

>>60221981
How do other CPUs provide more futureproofing?

Did the i7 suddenly become worthless for streaming? Everyone suggesting the 1700 when you can stream perfectly fine on the 7700k and it games significantly better than the 1700. For workstation stuff, then sure an AMD makes sense. Or if you just want to pick AMD for enthusiast reasons, that's fine too. But for gaming, the 7700k is undeniably superior, and it's still a very competent CPU besides.

>>60222081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXeenX0FZAY

>>60221566
>>60221864
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9LcHjc

$500 cheaper. And OEM uses cheaper parts

>>60222147
That's some higher quality components than the OEM, yeah.
You could get that down to around $1700 and still be better than the Dell.

>>60222100
so what I saw from that video the 7700k blew the 1700 ryzen out of the water, even WHILE streaming.

only in a very few instances did the ryzen 1700 beat the 7700k by like 2-5 FPS

so the 7700k is better overall even for streaming it seems

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What the fuck? I want to install windows onto my 500gb SSD. Why isn't it showing up?

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>>60222159
Yea I just quickly went through and picked out some parts to prove the point. It's always cheaper to build your own.

They charge the same rates a mechanic does to do something any normal person could do but think is too hard. Just use jewtube and save money.

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>>60222184
Fuck the power unplugged from it. Is it safe to shut off the new PC so I can plug it back in? It is smack dab in the middle of installing windows and I'm
Scared it'll fuck something up.

I fell for the RGB meme.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Greeninsi/saved/Khvt6h

>>60222193
>>60222209
if you're still at that screen, you should be able to plug it in and then hit refresh

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>>60222181

>>60222219
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-STRIX-Graphics-STRIX-GTX1080-A8G-GAMING/dp/B01K5F8MJK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493954123&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+1080

Get the Strix instead

>>60222181
You're missing that the 7700k stream quality to the viewers is far, far, far inferior.
Try doing the same encoding on the 7700k and it'll shit itself.

>>60222193
Do they charge that for each individual part or if you buy it once does it come with everything you get in a bundle? I was wondering this as I was buying shit last week.

>>60222219
>Seagate Barracuda 3TB

Str8 goofin

>>60222316
I have no idea. I didn't even know they offered it until yesterday.It's probably per part and they farm the work out to some guy from your local GeekSquad that gets a portion of the pay. If you're that nervous just go to a LOCAL computer place and ask how much they'd charge to put together a computer if you brought in all the pieces.

>>60222333
Well I don't need it for myself but if it was a onetime buy for a whole comp, it would be nice for suggesting to other people it would be a better deal than alienware/similar shit that people get fooled into buying but if it's part by part it's an even bigger ripoff than those.

>>60222366
Ya I see what you're saying. Maybe worth asking Amazon. If it is per piece, you could probably slip the service tech an extra $100 and he'd probably do the whole thing.

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>>60221259
nice lego pc, here, have a lego torrent server in return.

Emulation friends that are here, how does Ryzen 5 handle PCSX2 and Dolphin? Specifically the 1600.

When do things typically go on sale. Do I have to wait for black friday to snag some deals on GPUs or is it best when the new line drops?

I need to choose beetween two cards both at 150€ for a virtualization server pc.

Msi Gaming X RX470 8GB or Gigabyte G1 Gaming RX 480 4GB.

Will the extra VRAM help for the virtual machines ? I don't care for gaming i'm gonna get a dedicated GPU for that later.

how do i /hackintosh/

i keep running into issues

i just want to boot from my 2.5" hdd desu

>>60222690
idk how high end your workflow is, but it sounds like an AMD Rx 550 is more up your alley.
>>60222611
black friday deals have sucked lately. Don't wait 6 months to save $25. Just buy what you need, when you need it.

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>>60222608
>Emulation friends that are here, how does Ryzen 5 handle PCSX2 and Dolphin
it's way overpowered for them. Picture related is a 1700 at stock speeds.
PCSX3 and Cemu is great on it as well, except for a few games on Cemu.

Even if you have to run software renderer, which you shouldn't, you should be fine.

>>60222709
>how do i /hackintosh/
Off topic, so another thread may be better.

>>60222690
Vega would be ideal for virtualization since you can address 512TB of VRAM.

Who has the better linux support nowadays, nVIDIA or AMD? And which is the minimum chip I need from each to get 3D acceleration? I only game casually.

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I just boot windows from a USB and used me 500gb SSD. Everything was going good until I started to install Adblock. Suddenly my keyboard and my mouse stopped working. So I shut my computer off and turned it back on using hard shut down. When I turned it back on it was going back to the bios screen to configure shit. Wtf?

I have to wake up early so I'll fuck with it tomorrow. But my question is:

Why the fuck did my keyboard and mouse stop working all the sudden?

Also:

Is there any video on YouTube anyone can recommend to set up windows and condfiguring an MSI tomahawk bios?

>>60222820
do i just wait for /hackintosh/ to maybe appear again or is there another general that fits

there's like nowhere to find help really

>>60222820
Well, that's relieving to see. I'm giving my old machine to my younger sibling so I'm starting fresh. All the talk about Ryzen lately has got me interested in building something centered around it.

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Any opinions on DeepCool Captain 240ex? I found it on sale for $88, would be nice to crank my 6600k to 4.6-4.7ghz without worrying about temps. My case fits a 240mm rad nicely but probably not the bigger heatsinks with comparable performance like the noctua ones.

>>60222991
>would be nice to crank my 6600k to 4.6-4.7ghz
for what purpose?

>>60222991
Use the money to sell your 6600k and get a 6700k. You'd get a far greater benefit that way.

I wouldn't go with that AIO. I've heard them leaking a lot, which is probably why they're on sale.

>>60222913
Ya wait for /hackintosh/ to appear or make it if you have the last OP.

>>60222942
It's indeed exciting. I have fun just staring at these 12 threads and how little they're utilized. It's cathartic.

>>60223004
mostly gaming at 1080p/ 144hz with my Rx 480, which I'm going to also overclock a bit soon, but also I do a little bit of video editing as a side hobby. Scrubbing and encoding being a little faster would be pretty nice. Admittedly, it's largely for aesthetics too, and the chance to tinker again.

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>>60221259
>NZXT S340 Mid Tower Computer Case, Glossy Black (CA-S340W-B1)
>Gigabyte GA-H110M-H Motherboard, mATX, Socket 1151, Chipset H110, DDR4, PCI-Express
>Kingston Technology HyperX FURY Black 8 GB 2133 MHz CL14 DIMM DDR4 Internal Memory (HX421C14FB2/8)
>Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 2GB Graphic Card Black (GV-N1050D5-2GD)
>WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch Desktop Hard Drive (WD10EZEX)
>EVGA 400 N1, 400W, 2 Year Warranty, Power Supply 100-N1-0400-L1
>Intel 3.70 GHz Core i3-6100 3M Cache Processor (BX80662I36100)
Would this be enough to run battlefield 4? I usually don't play resource-hungry games, so I think that'd be the highest I will go in terms of that. Besides that, I just use it for school and web browsing.
I live in México. Btw I'm not sure if that case is the correct size, I kinda hate the gaymer aesthetic so if it isn't It'd be nice if you guys could recommend any other case.

Thanks for the help, have a comfy wallpaper senpai

>>60223120
>i3-6100
???
>Btw I'm not sure if that case is the correct size
put it in pcpartspicker and it'll tell you if they conflict

>>60223120
You can just mention the part name instead of pasting a long retail description. (Nzxt s340 Case, Geforce Gtx 1050 for example). You also should read the OP description of worthwhile parts.
Your case is a little big for your motherboard and graphics card. It won't be an issue, but it will look goofy, especially since that case has a window to see the insides. I recommend you get a microATX case instead. Your other parts are mostly fine, but perhaps pick up a Pentium g4560 and a b250 micro atx motherboard instead to save some dinero.

>>60223120
pcpartpicker.com

Ive not been keeping up with hardware for quite a while now and i want to build a PC for hopefully less than $1000 AUD. I can pick most parts myself, but what are todays i5 2500k and phenom II, and what are some equivalent graphics cards?

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Is this a good meme? This is an upgrade so I only really need these parts and the combo does make a difference. I'm just worried about bios boot times and looking to overclock decently.

>>60223197
>>60223199
>>60223223
Thanks guys, I'm new to all this so yeah, lol

I've got a 4 slot DDR3 mobo with 2x8GB sticks. Will a single stick in one of the remaining slots be optimal or do I need to get another matching 2 sticks?

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Poor Artist updated repost.
>>60221541

Found out that the RAM I have on me is DDR3 which wouldn't be compatible with my motherboard/CPU.

Anyway, as I posted before my budget it $600 or less and I already have some of the pieces. I want to use the PC primarily for using art programs like Photoshop, maya and blender, as well as use it as an average performing gaming PC (1080p 60hz monitor). Cant squeeze for any higher than 650 either, since I'm also replacing a drawing tablet this summer.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqXknn
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fcPFhq

Parts I already have:
-WD 750 GB storage (yes I know that's small, I'll buy an SSD after it's built)
-ASUS DVD optical Drive

Any thoughts? Or will this be the best I'm able to do in my price range?

>>60222888
No one? Cmon, I got double triples and no one can answer me? :^/

>>60223316
hmmm I'm sure I can whip up a much better list for you. Give me a little bit.
>>60222888 >>60223323
This thread is mainly for advice for buying and assembling your new computer, not so much diagnosing problems. try /sqt/ on this board, or the board /wsr/.

>>60223370
much appreciated dude

>>60223316
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/znwJHN
This is a 1440p build, but you can start with it and remove the monitor, replace with a cheaper gpu like an RX560 or RX570, smaller or no SSD, and that should be $600-$700ish.

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>decide to redo the thermal paste on my cpu
>go slow and do everything lovingly
>cpu die and cooler perfectly clean
>apply a pea size amout of paste in the middle fo the cpu die
>align the cooler pins to the holes on the board on the first try
>punch everything together, try to attache fan
>realize I've got cpu heatsink on backward

>rip the whole thing apart
>find the appllication of the pea method was perfectly even
>clean again
>do my best align the pins again
>feels like I had to move the cooler around back and fourth 1cm
>punch pins don't want to punch in
>have to try like 10 times for each pin
>cut my finger on the damn fins of the cooler

what's the recommended cpu stress test so I can make sure I don't have to pull this cunt apart again?

>>60223411
Interesting, the results seem around the same to me (after pruning), especially if I still want 16 GB of RAM

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Trying to build a setup that has effects akin to pic related.

Is the Mortar/Tomahawk Arctic the best thing to use for this in tandem with RGB lighting?

>>60223316
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wVXknn
Ok, here's what I'm thinking for you anon. Ram is fucking EXPENSIVE right now, and you are on a tight budget. If you are willing to buy this used i5 4670k off ebay, you can have a great computer for cheap.

>>60223570
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/krCdWX
use this list instead, usb 3.0 case

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Impulse buys... so I might have fucked up badly

>>60223586
Not USD, btw... add like 15-20% to get USD value

>>60223570
>>60223582
I see, thanks for putting that together for me, I'll run it by some people I know to see if it's enough to achieve what I'm looking for.

>>60223586
idk man
why 2 small SSDs?
why that board?
why a 285 with the RX560 probably coming out at that price?

>>60223530
>NT-D with RGB

Pray and hope that the fans you have support Mystic Light.

>>60223570
>Ram is fucking EXPENSIVE right now
meanwhile in the xeon world, ECC DDR3 is going for 4~8 dollars per 8GB DDR3 ECC sticks

>>60223620
Already have the SSDs
The 285 is my roommates and he really needs some cash
>why that board?
What micro ATX AM4 board would you recommend and why? All the B350 cost more or less the same

If I want to OC my 1600 when I get it to only 3.6 or 3.7 will the stock cooler and thermal be enough?

>>60223641
$120, if that's the price, seems like a bit much for it. But alright. Prices might be different there.

>What micro ATX AM4 board would you recommend and why? All the B350 cost more or less the same
Gaming 3, PRIME, or Pro 4.

>>60223650
Yes. Replacing thermal paste with something better like the stuff that comes with Noctua or Cryorig coolers helps, though.
Just put it at 1.25v and see what you can hit.

>>60223641
I'll of course eventually replace the GPU and probably the SSDs too.

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Anyone have an idea on when the rx560s are going to ship? I was under the impression they were coming out on tax day and lo and behold it didn't happen.

>>60223675
>Gaming 3, PRIME
MSI gaming, you mean? Only has 2 RAM slots and I want to upgrade eventually -- also red leds are tacky. PRIME is slightly more expensive here, and I am honestly confused whether it supports 3000 RAM (CSM version, what does that mean?). Also has bad reviews online.

Pro 4 is not available.

Yeah, shit is more expensive here, sadly.

>>60223736
no, there is no MSI gaming 3? The Gigabyte one.

>Only has 2 RAM slots
You generally don't want to run more than 2 RAM slots as the RAM will run slower.

>>60223770
>no, there is no MSI gaming 3? The Gigabyte one.
Oh... yeah, that one IS available, for more or less the same price. Why would you recommend it?

>>60223800
Other than DP connector I don't see much difference: http://www.gigabyte.com/Comparison/Result/2?pids=6227,6229

>>60223800
It's just plain better?
dual BIOS. Bigger VRM heatsinks. Better PCI lane layout including an x1 slot. The other is basically an OEM board.

They are really similar though if you really think you need a legacy PCI over x1.

>>60223863
True that, hadn't noticed. Thanks

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VrQPD8
Thoughts? I'm going to use it mostly for playing vidya. I'm not sure about RX 570. I can get 1060 6GB for cheaper but I've heard Ryzen + Nvidia is a bad combination.

What kind of ram should I get with the Ryzen 1600? Honestly still stuck with the AM3+ limitations in my head, but wondering what should I aim for bang-for-buck wise with ram now that the AM4 is available.

And the new suggestion on the amount of ram to use? I seemed to sit pretty cozy at 16GB last time.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j6bLxY
Planning on building a custom mini-ITX case and put all this inside. Materials, labor, equipment rental, etc, the case should be around $400, run almost completely silent, and be properly sexy. The single fan in the partlist will be the only fan in the chassis, aside from the GPU fan (because the only passively cooled 460 sucks ass). Pic related is the initial design/space check in Blender. Next step is talking with someone who isn't completely retarded and asking about how viable this is.

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Finished building my rig the other day, let me share with you all my experience doing it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pd7R8K
It was my first time putting a PC together from components, and I ran into a good couple of problems as I went along. Dropping the CPU in was actually pretty easy, I have strong grip despite my small hands because I'm a laborer, but getting the big asshole cooler in was throwing me into a panic. The springs were causing the screws to jump out of the threads so I was putting a lot of pressure onto the cooler while I tightened it, I was getting scared that the motherboard would buckle under the pressure. I also put the cooler on the wrong way as you can see in the picture, the AMD logo is covering up my RAM rather than being over the empty space on the board. I thought about turning it around but I feared that the pre-applied thermal paste would be ruined and I admittedly had none to spare at the time, but I might do that in the future when it comes time for me to replace it.
Another huge problem I encountered was trying to install the graphics card. That sapphire pulse isn't that big compared to the other choices I had, but the case's frame was getting in the way making it hard to properly line it up with the slot. I also had to bend the 8 pin wire down hard because even though the card itself fits there wasn't much extra clearance available for the wire.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147237&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

This a good buy at the moment? Flash Deal on a ATX case.

Seems dirt cheap and will fit what I need, don't plan on pushing the limits of the future Ryzen system I plan to make. Will add 2 fans of course.

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>>60223120
>>60223197
>>60223199
>>60223223
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VjxHjc
>Surpassed budget by 100$
Could you guys help me out? Is there a way to make this build a bit cheaper while it still being good?
Btw is the case too big?
>Pic unrelated

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>>60224122
Speaking of, even though the case is fairly large, being almost as big as my 13" Panasonic BT, I found myself running out of room for cable management. All of the cables that came with my power supply are real long, so when I started tying things up it became this big mess in the back because I was trying to reduce the amount that's seen in the front. The only cable that was short was for the storage drives, I tried using one to route to both my solid state and platter cages but it doesn't look like I'll have enough room for the clearance, meaning I'll have to stuff in another cable into this mess when I start adding hard drives next week.
Really though, looking back at my work, I have this feeling of self-satisfaction and the whole shebang runs really great, booted up no problems on my first try. I'm able to (mostly) max out everything I've thrown at it so far and achieve a completely stable 1080p60.

>>60221259
>No brand loyalty
>AMD is way better guise

Two poos have been deposited to your street

>>60223920
2x8GB is the usual recommendation.

>>60223915
Why the hell is that RX570 $220?
Get a 4GB one for $180. Like the Red Devil.

>>60223926
Wait for RX560. It's like 30% better and should be the same cost or less.
I also question the CPU choice. More mITX AM4 boards are coming soon, and obviously Ryzen runs a lot cooler which'll help for your build goals.
Obviously you should be getting at least 2400 or 2666 RAM, too.

>>60224172
>7600k
Why? No shit you surpassed your budget with that garbage.
A 1500X and RX570 would drop the cost by $100. But get a semi-modular or fully-modular PSU.

>>60224280
Thx senpai

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>>60224280
>Why the hell is that RX570 $220?
Meanwhile here in Canada I'm thinking that's a steal for an 8GB variant.

>>60224280
>Get a 4GB one for $180. Like the Red Devil.
Red Devil is not available in my country. The cheapest RX 570 here is 200 dollars.

>>60224172
Could shave off 20 dollars by going with a Gigabyte GV rx580 or Sapphire 11266-09-20G in the rx570 chipsets


Other than that the only other thing I can think of is different ram but that'd be shaving of 5 or 6 dollars at the most...

Other than that... PSU maybe?
>>60224280
Any idea on when the 560s will be available?... I mean aside from "soon"...

>ryzen 5 is 70 bucks cheaper than 7600k
>performs worse

Ok why do people recommend this then

Got myself a case that can fit an ATX motherboard. What's the best CPU/motherboard combo that will get me the most cores clocked at least at 3 GHz each without being retardedly expensive?

>>60224280
Meant like 2666 vs 2133 and that sort of thing as well. Huge difference between them? A sweetspot?

Thanks for the assurance on 16gb though.

>>60224333
>Any idea on when the 560s will be available?... I mean aside from "soon"...
It should come out in early may. So probably before 15th.

>>60224342
Are you comparing to the lowest end model, the 1400? Fuck off.

>>60224333
Should be real soon.

>>60224413
Fuck... that's when I start packing to move again...

Okay boys.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jhpBHN
I'm looking to play video james and I want to go back to amd after a several year hiatus. Waiting for Vega. I'm shooting for high/ultra graphics but I'm okay with fps drops as long as we aren't talking 40's or so.
I can't figure out if my mobo choice is pants on head retarded. This is my first build, and I'm trying to keep the case smallish.

>>60224410
2666 is the sweet spot unless you're chasing 120+ fps, at which point you need to eek out all you can get.

>>60224280
>>60224333
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m8N6VY
Would this run battlefield 4?
>tfw shipping cost will be higher than the pc itself

>>60224451
Cool, this means alot in terms of looking for specific deals. Also 650W more then enough for anything? Ryzen 1600 and lowest end Vega as highest expectation.

>>60224440
If you're only getting 2666 memory, you can sometimes find dual rank for cheap.

>>60224454
Why are you being a sperg and not getting a 1500X? Why do you want to spend more money for something worse?

>>60224479
This is my first build senpai, no mean pls :^(
I have no idea of what's better and what's worse :^)

>>60224474
650w should be much more than enough for overclocking a Ryzen 8 core on 1.4v as well as overclocking the full die Vega. 520w would be enough but 650 doesn't hurt.

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well took me like 4 hours but I finished my first rough draft for my first self built PC. My budget was around 1100 USD and I was right on the mark. Any feedback good or bad?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F4bLxY

>>60224507
Watch comparisons of R5 to i5 on youtube or something. You've been given advice.

Even the 1400 overclocked to 3.8GHz with 2666MHz RAM is better than the 7400 by about 30%.

>>60224519
>I spent 4 hours
>i5
>$285 1060
>artic silver 5
>mediocre meme cooler (which comes with its own better thermal paste, doesn't it?)
>pathetic 120GB SSD.
>retail windows
>$1178 for FOUR THREADS
what the fuck are you doing. read op. And you'll find better builds in the thread already.

who do most people get ATX if they ever only have 1 graphics card is mATX a meme?

>>60224555
Personally I love the spacing.

>>60224555
you can only have 32 gb ram with matx while most games demand 64 gb in 4k

>>60224555
Because they are stupid and think they'll some day "upgrade" to using all those PCI slots.

It's the same as people getting bigger cars than they need.
Bigger houses than they need.
Bigger horses than their asshole can take.

Though.. I got a mATX and I realize now I might need risers because the second PCI slot only runs at 4x speed and the primary card I run games on for GPU pass through takes too many slots.
But if I got a board with 3 spaces for the top slot like the Gaming 3, this wouldn't have been a problem. Oops I guess.

Though frankly, running at PCIe 3.0 4x will probably be perfectly fine. A 5% performance loss at most but usually less.
So yeah, in the end it doesn't even matter. Things'll be okay even in this extreme example.

>>60224522
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6ZMVXH
is it better now?

>>60224633
>getting a small car
>having kids a few years later
>immediately losing a shitload in trade-in cuz you got the wrong fucking car

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>>60224633
What's wrong with bigger horses?

Is 620W Bronze good enough for RX570/580?

So if I was going for a 7600k and a giant cooler (I have a Silver Arrow but not sure it'll be compatible)
what would the equivalent AMD build?

Is the meme about 4.1ghz max OC on ryzen just that?

Do I need the x chipset or is b fine as long as I get one with VRM heatsinks?

1600x is $10 more expensive than 7600k where I will be buying parts.

>>60224642
>ryzen 1500x
get the 1600 its lot better and only 20 dollars more

>>60224671
>AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor does not include a stock CPU cooler. Adding a CPU Cooler to your part list is recommended.
Didn't get this message with the 1500, does 1600x not have a cooler?

>>60224716
1600 ecks doesnt but 1600 does

Waiting for the parts to build my new gaming PC, was wondering... can I transfer the Windows license from my soon-to-be-only-Linux notebook to the new gaming rig?

>>60224725
you can but you need to put the sticker with the license on the new pc before you enter the code

>>60224739
thx dolan ur tru frien

Best disk drive cloning software?

>>60224671
>>60224522
k guy I think I finally got it
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/mugenn/saved/mhqf7P

>>60224642
Get 2666MHz RAM. The rest is fine.
>>60224797
1600 is fine too if you're fine with overclocking. The 1500X is already better than what you had before.
People love recommending 1600 on here because it's technically the best value IF you overclock. If you don't overclock, the 1500X is better or the same for cheaper for most people.

AMD just sells the ridiculously cheap since they'd otherwise not meet demand if too many people bought 1500Xs.

>>60224797
rx 580 offers 13% faster performance for only 15 dollars extra
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-580-vs-AMD-RX-570/3923vs3924
it would be wise to get the 580 its not very much more

Is the ASROCK AB350M-HDV good with a 1600? Only pretend to do light overclocking on cpu and possibly ram... It's the cheapest mb I can find in my country, if I get any other I would have to downgrade to 1500X

>>60224856
>userbenchmark
not valid.
/g/ really needs to autoban any userbenchmark.com or gpubenchmark.com links. Anyone that posts them is too stupid to be posting here.

>>60224858
No. It has no fucking VRM heatsink.

For SSDs in the 250-275GB range I see the Samsung 850 EVO and Crucial MX300 as the most recommended. Are there cheaper alternatives that are just as good, or are those two the best performers and most reliable?

>>60224858
The Pro 4 is the only good ASRock mATX board for Ryzen. In fact, if you're aiming specifically for 1600 then you need a board at least as good as that because otherwise you'll end up neutering your build.

>>60224931
>>60224856
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RL34kT
thank you guys, I already did everything you told me to lol

>>60224982
you're in for a surprise

>>60224988
fuck me in theass
well as long as I get the most out of my money

>>60224982
i recommend you get 16gb of ram. you dont want to be a ramlet do you?

>>60225005
Well, I already surpassed my initial budget for like 400$ so I don't mind too much, no

>>60224982
You need 2 sticks of memory unless it's dual rank. 1 stick of SR will be slow. Like the fucking OP says.

>>60225021
You could make it cheaper getting an RX570 and the 1500X. And a cheaper case like the Rosewill SRM-01.

>>60225021
but 16 gb ram is only 40 dollars more
in a few years 16gb will be recommended and you will have to buy a whole nother stick

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>>60225042
>>60225050
you can't imagine how much money is worth in a third world country

>>60225042
>>60225050
wait so do I get 2 8 gb sticks or 1 16 gb stick?

>>60225082
buying the 16 gn is an investment though
you will eventually need 16 gb so why not get it now

>>60225098
they usually come in pairs
8gb is two 4 gb and 16 is two 8gb

>>60224971
How so? Genuinely curious. I'm doing a 1600 build at the moment and just settled for the HDV in lieu of the Pro4 being unavailable in my area. According to the Asrock website the only major difference is the Pro4 has CrossfireX, but doesn't that only matter if you're using multiple GPUs?

>>60225106
thanks for the info desu

>>60225148
puta madre son 24,796.82 pesos
I'm going to have to start selling my body

>>60225148
gtx 1080s have 80% more performance than thd rx 580 for only 200 dollars more

the 580 can do 80 fps in whicher 3 with a 1080 you would be around 150 fps. worth the money in the long run if you dont want to upgrade for a while

Mems aside, I've only ordered 8gb of RAM for my 1600 + RX 480 build. How long until I'll have to bump up to 16gb plus?

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>>60225192

>>60225198
you wont for a long time if you close all your programs before you game

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Does anyone know if you can disable a GPU without removing it so you get x16 pci-e speed when populating 2 PCI-E x16 slots?

What I mean is for the 60% games SLI is fucked in, will I be able to disable SLI and have the primary card running in x16 without physically removing the second card?

I read about disabling a GPU in windows device manager, but I am unsure if that frees up pci-e lanes.

>>60225217
buy a gpu adapter and plug it to a switch then switch it off when you play those games

>>60225215
Ah that's a relief. It will primarily be a gaming PC as I have a pretty dope Lenovo for everything else - all light stuff.. Thanks.

>>60225217
Good question but x8 is only like 1-2% slower.

I'm just going to be running mine at x4 which should only be 3-5% slower.

>>60225115
Pro 4 is the cheapest Ryzen board worth considering.
Again, the HDV has no VRM heatsink. And one of the chokes appears to be fake.

>>60225256
If you close your browsers when you game, you'll be fine. Browsers alone can use 8GB.

>>60225256
theres a gamer mode for windows 10 you can turn on for more fps

>>60225285
Really? I've heard people usually lose FPS from using it

>>60225285
Naw that thing sucks dick, I've been using it on and off on my i5/1070 combo and all I get out of it is a couple more stutters. Turn that shit off.

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>>60225240
What do you mean by GPU adapter? Google shows me eGPU cases and this thing.

>>60225276
Yeah the difference between x8/16 is fairly minimal in most games, but some games like Witcher 3 get a noticeable boost even @ 1440p. I went from avg 120 fps -> 140 fps when I enabled PCI-E Gen.3 on my 3930k with 1080ti SLI (3930k runs pci-e 2.0 x16 until you run an update).

>>60225381
>>60225401
microsoft says its good and you should use it
who are you going to believe

>>60225416
now buy a switch and plug it in

>>60225416
Oh yeah PCI-E Gen.2 x16 = PCI-E Gen.3 x8 in speed.

Posted this in /sqt/

I live in Australia so I know internet is already slow comparatively, but when the people in the house stream and do whatever else they do, the speed really shits the bed.
I currently have an 802.11n router. Would an 802.11ac router help or am I stuck with this hell?

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>>60225439
No room in my case (ft02) for this set up, I'll just run x8/x8 if it's gonna be like this.

hello senpaitachies i plan on building a pc for gaming and to learn how to program.
i live in japan and so far i plan on building the logical increments superb build, because i live in japan some american made parts are almost double the price because of imports costs so i replaced them with the parts i saw in the most sold pc parts in dospara.co.jp, here it is

MSI Computer GTX 1060 ARMOR 6G OCV1
i5 7500
212 Evo
GIGABYTE GA-Z270-HD3
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB
Crucial CT275MX300SSD1 (275GB) SSD
Toshiba DT01ACA200 バルク(Bulk?) (2TB)
Corsair CP-9020103-JP (650W)
Enermax ECA3360B-BT(U3) (Fulmo Q Black)
ROG SWIFT PG258Q [24.5 Inches Dark Gray/Plasma Copper]

i wanna know if there are better SSDs, HDDs, PSUs and cases or these are just fine and reliable parts because these are the parts that seem to sell more in dospara.co.jp

i would appreciate your help, thanks

>>60225276
Ah I see now, thanks. Unfortunately I have already ordered the HDV and I don't know if I'll be able to get the Pro4 anytime soon. Could passive cooling be at least adequate in a case with decent airflow? I don't plan of overclocking for now btw

>>60225401
LMAO. because you're on an i5.
Game mode disables one core for the game and puts all other applications and services besides the game on that core.
For a corelet, yeah no shit this fucks you over because you only have 3 cores for the game then.
For anyone with a 6 core or 8 core it gives a huge FPS increase and makes it way smoother without other services interrupting various threads a few ms at a time.

Go look at Ryzen videos on youtube with game mode. It's really great in most cases.

>>60225448
It's probably your internet and not the router.

>>60225560
If you're not overclocking, and running a 65w TDP CPU stock, it'll be fine.

>>60225531
>i5
>logicalincrements, a misleading site made by a paid shill
read the op, start over, and link a pcpartspicker next time

I'm about to lose my fucking mind. I finished my first build ever 8 hours ago and I'm about to disassemble everything with a hammer.

WINDOWS 10 KEEPS FUCKING FREEZING! Anytime windows graces me with 5 minutes I try to do suggested fixes such as:

>change settings in power mode
>uninstall original graphics card drivers
>install new graphics card drivers

But nothing it working and I reached my limit. I've had to hard restart my brand fuckin new computer 20x and I know that can't be good.

Suggested fixes? Can windows remote my PC to fix this shit? I'm basically defeated at this point and I don't want to hard restart my computer anymore.

>>60225606
Did you update UEFI?
Did you try older GPU drivers?
If it has an iGPU, did you try just using the iGPU?

>>60225649
I don't know how to do any of that. I'm very new to PC master race. As I said, that was my first build. Even if I could do it, it'll probably fucking freeze on me again.

>>60225587
Thankyou, that's reassuring.. it's my first build and the endless compatibility issues between components is full on

>>60225714
google how to

>>60225606
Could it not be a temperature problem? Like, badly applied thermal paste, incorrectly connected cooler. You could try in those 5 minutes to install hwmonitor lol and see the next boot up.

>>60225791
Na overtemp would black screen and hard shut down, not freeze.

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so I'm returning my amazing IPS monitor but can someone recommend me one that I won't have to send back? I have rx 580 and I want a 1440p monitor with freesync, I don't want a shitty IPS panel like on the pic.

>>60225827
The MG279Q is good but ... you'll have to send it back if you get dead pixels, obviously.

>>60225852
but it's also IPS I'm kind of scared of getting another one and having the same issue, how about MG278Q? How bad really is the TN panel?

>>60225909
The IPS is better... there's a video on youtube comparing them. Probably a few videos.
A good quality IPS is just plain better than the best quality TN.
But yes, bad quality IPS sucks too.

>>60225827
What monitor is that?

>>60225938
iiyama ProLite XUB2792QSU-B1

>>60225950
Oh so some korean shit. no wonder.

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Enjoy your nonfree drivers and mossad ring -2 network access for your overpriced cigarette lighter. I'll be over here enjoying freedom and value.

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>>60225606

Did you use an earth strap during the build? Or did you believe the fa/g/ets who told you they're useless?

>>60226009
non-free drivers aren't the worst thing.
But now that AMD caught up with both drivers, and Nvidia free drivers are garbage, yeah.

There's lots of reasons I avoid Nvidia, but that's not top of my list.

>>60226034
If he shocked something, he probably would have felt it.

>>60226044

>this is what idiots actually believe

>>60226034
You know that is just for static, right? If you press the power button a couple times while PC is of the wall thats it.

what can i do with an old system? i5, gtx670

Whats the best 1070 version right now? Im currently looking at MSI Armor 8G, or Gaming X.

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I got my ryzen today but it's registering absurd voltages at stock settings.
I've updated my bios and monitoring programs and cleared CMOS and everything.
The temperatures aren't abnormal either. I have no idea what's going on.

>>60225606
check everything is seated correctly
check you're using the correct memory DIMMS (sometimes you have to use certain DIMMS first before others)
check your motherboard isn't contacting the case
check your PSU can provide enough watts
check if your balls are still there

Anyone here using the Anus X370 Pro?
Does it feature p-states, are caps chink or nippon and how hard or easy was it to get the glued backplate off?

>>60226075
just get the cheapest version of the brand you like

>>60226100
Looks fine to me :^)

>>60226068
Most motherboard circuits are also coated now days. It's hard to damage them even if you deliberately static shock them.
But yeah, I get that you're just trolling.

>>60226100
Someone else reported the same thing. I'm not sure anyone here knows.
For me on Linux it reports fine. >>60226208
Try wattman and update your Ryzen drivers?

>>60226100
What does it show in ryzen master?

>>60225531
How is the R5 1600 priced compared to i5 7500?
And how's the GTX 1060 priced compared to RX 480/580?

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I'm planning to build my first gaming PC. I'm not particularly interested in playing any modern AAA games in Ultra 4K or anything like that. It'll mostly just be for emulating older titles and games like Fallout 3/NV modded to shit. As long as I get 1080p 60fps, I'm a happy camper.

Anyway, I've finished putting together my parts list here:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CBMVXH
I've been told over on /v/ that this should serve me well.

Basically, I just need help with parts sourcing.
On uk pc part picker they obviously link you to sites where you can buy the components but I'm just wondering if there's any alternative sites or ways that I can bring it in cheaper.

Thanks

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKHWd6
How is this for a budget build? I'll play videogames sometimes, but I'll use it mainly for web browsing and college. The highest resource-hungry game I'd play would be battlefield 4. Would this build be able to run it 1080p 60 fps in high settings?
>Pic unrelated

>>60226360
>taking advice from /v/
oh boi
read the op

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My PC is about 4 years old, and thinking of upgrading RAM and maybe a new GPU when new amd cards come out. Question though, would 2400mhz ram make any difference over 1600mhz? I dont really do any kind of heavy editing or other kind of stressful CPU tasks so doubt i'd ever upgrade my i5.

>>60226360
>i5-7500
Are /v/ really this much of dumb shills?
Or are they just trolls that want to see people's buyers remorse? Since it's /v/, I'm guessing they're simply that stupid.

>>60226382
Get the G4560 and an RX570 instead. No, a 1050 is going to struggle to do "high" settings near 60fps in newer games. Granted, a 2c/4t is going to bottleneck some newer games as well, but not as bad as that GPU does.

>>60226360
>asking /v/ermin
>ever
Dobgeg

>>60226397
>Are /v/ really this much of dumb shills?
Yes. Go lurk their speccy threads. Always multiple posts of
"I'm thinking of upgrading to a 1050Ti"

>>60226393
Can you affordably get 2400MHz DDR3?
Meh stick with your RAM. Maybe you can manually overclock it to 1866 and maybe tighter timings?
Are you on a 290 now or what?
You could upgrade your CPU to a 3770k, otherwise you're going to bottleneck Vega badly.

>>60226416
>upgrading
>to a 1050Ti
>upgrade
FROM WHAT? a 750 non-ti?
My 6 year old GPU to that wouldn't be an upgrade.

>>60226430
Often it will be from a GTX 9XX
All they understand is that it's a bigger number.

>>60226397
basically what >>60226397 said
i3 6100 is obsolete. get g4560 + b250 mobo + 2400mhz ram + rx 570. easily 50% more performance. you're also spending too much on a case with this budget.

>>60226393
get a good cooler and overclock your cpu. you don't need vega for this resolution, rx 570/580 will be enough.

>>60226382
>>60226397
Is a CPU cooler worth it?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>60226418

It's a radeon hd 7970 :^)
Could i overclock my i5 to avoid bottlenecking?

>>60226463
shit wrong link https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WBmCcc

>>60226479
mate there ain't cpu cooler there. and throw away that i3.

>>60226463
no, pointless for locked cpus
except if you're very sensitive to noise or live in a very hot place

>>60226498
I do live in a very hot, humid place. Which cooler would you recommend?

>>60226508
GTX 1080 TI

>>60226460

Thinking of getting a new screen too though, not 4k shit just 1440p or something. I hope vega is cheap/forces nvidia cards down in price

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Is this monitor any good? I'm going for my first build, and I want it big (27" and a e s t h e t i c, this one seems to be the best contender. Also, is the 1050 TI worth it for a casual gamer?

>>60226508
Something like that
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk008
or that
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2

Will both provide great temperatures, could drop the price to a $15 cooler but if you're gonna spend money on one it better be good & last long hence why i linked those two

>>60226492
What's wrong with the i3? Is there a cheaper/better option or what?

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>>60221472
>a few people in these threads actually ARE going to do some workstation tasks, even if it's just some hobby Youtube video editing or casual Twitch streaming.
>It should just be a blanket statement : if only gaming, go Intel. If doing workstation tasks go AMD. You really don't have to think any harder than that.
What if I'm limited to Intel only because I need a laptop? Is a 7th gen i5 good enough or should I spend the extra money to get an i7? Also, side question, is a dedicated gpu necessary or even recommended for video editing and other light content creation (but not gaming)?

>>60226464
>Could i overclock my i5 to avoid bottlenecking?
Nope. Lots of newer games like Witcher 3 (not even that new) just don't get good frame pacing with 4c/4t. You really need 4c/8t minimum for a smooth 60fps+ experience.
A stock 3770k would be better than a 4.5GHz 3570k.

>>60226591
Thank you for the recs.

>>60226596
You should wait a few months because raven ridge laptops will be godly.

>video editing
No. Video editing is done entirely on the CPU because CPU encoding is better quality for a given bitrate.

>>60226607

If that is true i might as well look at new CPU offerings and upgrade my motherboard too, since that 3770k is pretty expensive..

>>60226561
yeah it's pretty good. read a detailed review here: https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-s2415h/

>>60226593
i3 aren't worth it. it's in the op ffs. g4560 is 95% of performance of an i3 7100 but it costs half as much, which gives you more money for a better gpu (more important for gaming). read here: http://www.techspot.com/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page5.html

>>60226596
>is a dedicated gpu necessary or even recommended for video editing and other light content creation (but not gaming)?
Content creation is generally sped up when a GPU is there (thanks to CUDA / OpenCL), video encoding benefits enormously in term of speed from having a dedicated GPU
So getting a $50 used GTX 950 would be better of than say, the jump from an R5 1600 (6 cores) to R7 1700 (8 cores, in term of video encoding speed).

>>60226670
>g4560
Would using that processor make the computer overwall faster? Sorry, I'm quite new to all this.

>>60226691
No. As he said, the G4560 is 95% of the performance of an i3, but is 50% of the price. It's basically the same thing but you pay much less, so you save money that you could if you want use to improve other parts of your build.

>>60226697
>Some Intel H110 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Kaby Lake-S CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
this is my list btw https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T7Wcr7
Does that mean I should get a different motherboard?

>>60226722
yes. pick a b250 mobo (for example: ASRock B250M Pro4) and up your ram from 2133mhz to 2400mhz. the rest is fine though i'd pick a cheaper case and get a better psu.

>>60226722
It means there's a chance that the motherboard comes with a bios version that does not support your CPU, and you can't update the bios without CPU (unless the motherboard specifically supports a way to do it via USB, but that's pretty rare for budget ones)
Pick a 250 mobo, they all support your cpu from the start

>>60226722
That's actually a fairly solid build.
Though you should get 2400 RAM, not 2133. And get a semi-modular or fully modular PSU as it will make building it easier and it'll be less cluttered.
And yeah, get a B250 board.

You technically don't need a CPU cooler, but that one will be much quieter.
And yeah, that case is expensive. You can get a Rosewill SRM-01 for only $20.

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Ryzen 5 1400

ASrock Mobo

2x4 DDR4 2133 RAM

RX480 (8GB, reference model)

4tb WD black internal

Micro ATX case

Should I change anything at all? My demands are very low and this is already way more than I need but an upgrade is needed

>>60226756
An RX570 4GB is faster at 1080p than the RX480 8GB reference model. And quieter.
And get 2666 RAM. Or at least 2400. Shouldn't be much price dif there.

How does R9 290 compare to RX570? Because I can get used one for 120 euro while RX570 are 200 euro new. I'm going to use it with G4560.

>>60226756
>WD Black
Why? Those are much more expensive per GB than other ones, they're for entreprise that want the least vibration and most durability possible

>>60226770

It performs better but not by much. The performance is not worth 80€ at all, thought that is explained by the fact that it's a newer more efficient architecture & that it isn't used
your chocie

>>60226769
Again this is already way more than my needs demand, is there any major benefit for changing the gpu?
Ram I'll look into but I'm pretty set on the reference 480

>>60226770
The R9 290 is close to as good. You can overclock it pretty well generally, too. Power consumption is higher.

What kind of chair do you all have?

Also, opinion on "racer" type chairs that "gaming" people tend to have?

>>60226754
>>60226751
I want my pc to look nice, I'm that kind of faggot. Thanks for the recs, very much appreciated.
I guess it's finished now, I'm at the top of my budget. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

would aircooling work for this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZdXR8K
if so could anyone give me some guidance on what case to use and fansettup, preferably a closed case but not fractal design if possible.
i'd also like some general improvement tips on it. Im in Sweden but i can import if its good. thanks

>>60226783

>being this stubborn

Why do you even ask for help if you cant accept that you were wrong?

>>60226816
fucking wrong link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YvWcr7

>>60226816
>I'm that kind of faggot
w-we can kiss if you want

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
nice link

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>>60226832
b-but anon, we're both boys...

>>60226826
I play games on lowest setting. I'm not a graphics whore but I do more computation than anything
At most graphically I'd play overwatch, and that's not very demanding

>>60226783
Is the RX570 4GB not cheaper than the RX480 8GB? You didn't list prices, fucktard.

>>60226802
Those chairs are awful. Get a "task chair".

>>60226816
Carbide 88r?
Rosewill SRM-01 looks good to me, though.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YvWcr7
Get the Red Devil RX570 if it fits in your case.
Rest looks good but you can very often find that 550RM or the 520w M12II on sale for $30-$40 instead if you want to wait a few days.

>>60226847
You be the girl.

>>60226857
On mobile. Will check in and minutes probably

>>60226850
Get an RX560 then. Should be $100 and should be out in a few days. Or 1050Ti if you find it on sale for $100.

>>60226344
Not using windows 10 so i can't run it.

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>>60226847
it only makes it better anon

>>60226646
>You should wait a few months because raven ridge laptops will be godly.
I'm not American. That means I'll have to wait probably until the end of the year.

Feels bad man.

why get the 1600 over the 1700?

>>60226857
>Get the Red Devil RX570 if it fits in your case.
It does fit. How is it different from the radeon rx 570 though?
And I don't buy that PC anytime soon, I'm still fairly young and I live in a third world country, so getting the money + shipping costs may take 6 months or so, taking in count other things I want to buy too.
Thanks for the info though.

>>60226914
1700 is way overkill for most people, as in it offers performance that most cannot make use of

>>60226914
It's cheaper and 70% as fast in productivity and exactly the same in games.

>>60226917
honestly there's no point in making a list now when you're 6 months away from ordering a pc. your build might be obsolete by then.

>>60226917
Red Devil is simply the best RX570.
Best cooler. Highest overclock. You can manually overclock it even more and still have acceptable noise levels.

>>60226951

>>60226951
6 months was just a guess, it may be 1 month or 1 year
and doing this is an excelent way to avoid doing what you're supposed to do.

how much of a performance will i see if i upgrade my current CPU from a i7 930 2.80ghz and a 470GTX to one of the newer processors and an nvidia 1070?

is it worth it?

>>60226968
Yes, there will be a massive difference, but do you actually feel the need to upgrade?
spending $800 in a pc without any real reason to do so would be pretty stupid

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>>60226968
The 1070 with a CPU that can not bottleneck it is incredibly faster than a 470.
See pic related.
On release a 7850 was about on par with a GTX 480.
Ignoring that yours is a 470 and how much AMD GCN cards have improved over the years it's still a 400% improvement.

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Do I need a better PSU for this? I know the CPU is way overkill no need to tell me.

>>60227048
it's fine but 500w would be much better, you don't have that much headroom left

>>60227048
You probably wont need a better power supply if you dont plan on putting in a more power hungry GPU or overclock too zealously but you do realise the EVGA 600B is the same price right?

>>60227074
No I didn't know that, I'll just get that instead and I should be good then I'd assume.

>>60227108
Yeah, it's almost overkill even.
But it's cheap and decent

>>60227034
470 isn't there but it's probably around the 750Ti. It was worse than a 7850.
Benchmarkers stopped including the 400, 500, 600, and usually even the 700 series because they're so garbage and aged like a jizz bottle. Yet they still include the 6 year old 7970. Lmao.

>>60226968
Yes. The 470 is terrible. I'm surprised you didn't upgrade sooner.

>>60227048
If you aren't doing serious overclocking, then no. The GPU is <225w and CPU is <115w. Plenty left over for various other stuff.

>>60227074
>EVGA 600B
>>60227108
That PSU isn't modular like the M12II. I'd get the M12II.
Or wait for the 550RM to go on sale like it always does.

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How well does the r5 1600 stock cooler handle OC? I've heard its pretty good but can it go for 3,9-4,0GHz?

I'll use Define S case with 3xfractal fans as intake and 1x noctua as exhaust. Also probably going with leftover MX-4, I quess its better than the stock paste.

>>60227266
>can it go for 3,9-4,0GHz?
no

>>60227159
>Benchmarkers stopped including the 400, 500, 600, and usually even the 700 series because they're so garbage and aged like a jizz bottle. Yet they still include the 6 year old 7970. Lmao.
I think it's more there's no reason to continue benching cards that dont change in
Also I know the 7850 is faster than a 470, that's why i said it was.
I've found an actual number for the 470 since however
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1980319
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/152718
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/114111 (note, this one's SLI)
So taking the maximum score of 2834 (the others were just to confirm that is about where a 470 sits) the stock 1070 is 5.7x faster than a GTX470
Though you should take this exact number with a grain of salt as the systems in this test were not the same as the other test and the 1070 score was probably in firestrike 1.1 which may give easier or harder scores, that's why i thought it would be cleaner to use a 7850 as a yardstick despite it probably being much faster than a 470.