GNUnet Thread

Was it brought up in the threads that the developers are planning on breaking compatibility with the next minor version? That means everything that's been uploaded and being uploaded will be gone in the next minor update.

>>60218249
Yeah I think so. I think they might release it later this year.

>>60218283
I wouldn't hold my breath. I talked to them the last time GNUnet surged in popularity on /g/; they seemed almost completely indifferent to the fact more people were using it, and they were on the current version back then, too. Their "solution" to breaking compatibility was to get the next update out as soon as possible. A few years later and we're no closer to release than last time.

>>60218365
I think the last time I tried GNUnet was in 2015 Q3 and tried it with me publishing a wallpaper and another downloading it. The speed was really slow since neither of us noticed the configuration.
Now it's literally no different from then and now really. Honestly I don't know why the developer are so reluctant to even release minor versions. They're gonna delay it for so long that it makes up for breaking compatibility?

>>60218419
I think they just don't want to admit that they've pretty much abandoned it, which sucks since we've seen this week what happens when everything is centralized the way it is.
At this point I'd even recommend /g/ starting its own GNUnet clone with a focus on not being shitty. It'd probably get stable enough to use before GNUnet gets off its ass and updates.

>>60218487
>At this point I'd even recommend /g/ starting its own GNUnet clone
after seeing /g/ projects like lo/g/os and ricedb abandoned, I'm not too sure about /g/ doing a GNUnet clone. yes it can start up and happen, but really it's likely to be short lived unless if it happens to be really actively discussed and looked on every day

>>60218249
I don't know about uploads not staying, but I know 0.10.1 links do not work in the latest git version.

Fingers crossed for a new router implementation that actually works.

>>60218575
>after seeing /g/ projects like lo/g/os and ricedb
That should tell you how little faith I have in the GNUnet project succeeding.
Timing is everything, so if we were to start up some /g/NUnet of our own, it'd have to be soon to ride on the panic of nyaa going down.

>>60218770
It won't be ready in time.
Even if we assume overly fast development, I don't think we would be able to catch up.
One can dream, though, if I were to make it I'd use C-ish C++ with libuv, and focus on filesharing part mainly.

How is the plugin framework for this? They should document the API and it would be 10x faster development.

>>60219699
There is none, it's developed badly. It needs a rewrite.

It's crazy that some chinese cartoon hub finally FINALLY pushes a new net protocol but now that the dam is being patched, its cool. Shit like this and so many that perished in past times shouldn't happen again. It's literally the history of the net, a culture and society in and of itself. Yeah, change comes quick but should the past be forgotten just as fast so we all suffer the fates of years past?

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>GNU
Already know it's shit.

>>60220802
Wait, that's where publicity is coming from? I was wondering why GNUnet talk suddenly picked up when I couldn't find anything about it on niche boards.

>>60220802
http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html

>>60220850
Fuck off {CNN/FOX/NSA}

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>>60220882
So close.

>>60220832
>implying deprecated code is better
>implying deprecated code is safer
>implying deprecated code is more functional

GNU just werks, your shit don't

honeypot.

>>60220980
what you mean officer?

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>>60221016
Since we can't see what you are doing we'll assume that it's something illegal.

>>60220963
>implying convoluted, overly complex code works better than minimalist code
Try again. At least my empty programs take less than 80 lines.

>>60221061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

Now fuck off.

>>60218947
Or we could just put together a tracker for IPFS.

>>60221129
which isn't anonymous

GSoC ideas look cool.
https://www.gnunet.org/gsoc-2017
>web interface so you can run on an RPi or other server
>IMAP/SMTP integration
>Android app
>Rust API wrapper

>>60220906
Closer than you think 2nd tier faggot. Call my director, bitch.

>>60221310
>>web interface so you can run on an RPi or other server
do this now

>>60221370
The REST APIs aren't done yet which is why it's just a GSoC thing.

>>60221108
This is not real. This is why I hope nukes rain from the sky. Fuck this gay ass earth.
> Say one thing, betray it with every fibre in your being. call it justice.
When will the end come?

>>60220850
The only usable public japanese media tracker died.

>>60220832
>767 lines to copy text from a file into a buffer and print it
kek

>>60221129
Unironically, I was one of early guys who helped meming IPFS aswell, and while it's definitelly in better state than GNUnet, it still eats gallions of ram because of golang's GC, and tor and i2p support is still unfinished.

Regardless of its current state, though, how'd you host tracker for IPFS exactly?
In particular, search is kind of tricky.
I was thinking of making indexes of keywords, and publishing them on IPNS.
Something like "/ipns/<publickeyofhostingwebsite>/k/anime" "/ipns/<publickeyofhostingwebsite>/k/madoka" etc...
These would be either text listing files or directories.
Then we could write some javascript which would basically download every keyword index used in search and filter only results included in all of these keyword files/directories.

Uploading of new content would still require centralised host (or set of hosts), but this would be impossible to take down.

>>60221520
it does more than that, don't fall into memes

>>60221310
>web interface so you can run on an RPi or other server
>IMAP/SMTP integration
>Android app
>Rust API wrapper
disappointing, there is no >Make it actually stable and usable

>>60221639
they just have to fix two crashes and they're ready for a new release basically

>>60221639
Those ARE usability improvements, you dongus.
>Creating a modern, attractive web interface will allow containerizing it via Docker or some other technology, at which point it becomes "set up a Raspberry Pi 3 or later and run this small set of commands to get it running" rather than the utter clusterfuck it is right now.
>IMAP/SMTP integration allows people to use standard email clients to use its secure communication platform without having to spend forever setting up fiddly crypto-aware email stuff like PGP
>Android app exposes it to a fucking BILLION PEOPLE, which massively helps the popularity problem if even 0.1% of Android users pick it up, and the Android APIs make it much easier to write a modern looking UI than shit like the abortion that is gnunet-gtk
>Rust API wrapper makes it possible to write safe, secure applications that use the GNUnet APIs

About the only things you'd need other than that are protocol improvements, which are for the core devs to do and not GSoC kiddies.

Hey guys, first time posting in these threads. I'm sure you all get this question 100 times daily, but please humor me:

What benefits does GNUnet have over ipfs, i2p, and tor's .onion domains, and why would someone use GNUnet over competing systems?

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>>60221906

>>60221958
Thanks, this looks interesting
I'll read some of the stuff linked in the guide

>>60221866
every word of this post is on point

Screw it, someone just take frostwire and make it run over gnunet's network stack.

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OK, so there's a new version of GNUnet in the pipeline with exactly two blocking tickets. Any C programmers want to take a crack at these?

https://gnunet.org/bugs/view.php?id=4909
https://gnunet.org/bugs/view.php?id=4907

>>60221958
currently usable by humans
x o o o

>>60222458
The GSoC ideas are proof the project wants to fix that but is short on manpower. Nut up or shut up.

>>60222458
It's a GNU project. They're all like that except the coreutils. Help dev or at least talk about ideas.

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>GNUnet thread reaches the front page of /tech/
>8gag immediately goes down
Really activated my Windows.

>>60222480
Sure thing kid, I'll nut up your little boy-pussy.

>>60222503
>still using it after the hack
you better be using tor

>>60222511
I make a rule not to post anything there that I wouldn't want on a billboard after that little clusterfuck.

>>60222480
>Nut up or shut up.
this

>>60222493
>Help dev or at least talk about ideas.
1. a question based configuration wizard also at the command line but easier for first timers (like ZNC wizard)
2. web interface for absolute novices, also skinnable
3. one single command for configuration and files as complement for more complex configuration, short command flags help experts make quick fixes and the ability to re-read config files to load major configuration changes, using more than one command becomes too confuse when you can do the same with only one and a bunch of config files
4. mail (plus newsgroups-like mailing lists)
5. irc (plus video streaming that can be captured by an external application)
6. an imageboard would be exceptional but certainly a great step towards adoption, and if it has to use a web interface better be for styling and use of personalized scripts
7. ome other anon said something like "a way for seeders to know the completed percentage leechers have"

>>60222550
almost forgot one important
8. using a loopback interface to connect to local clients for applications like mail and IRC

am I dreaming too high?

>>60222550
>1. a question based configuration wizard also at the command line but easier for first timers (like ZNC wizard)
This sort of exists as gnunet-setup but it's gtk only.

>>60222716
>gtk only
found your problem

Reminder GNUnet still has no windows installer.

>>60222716
just do a cli setup so everybody can do a wrapper

>>60222852
this even if it is irrelevant
normalfags either stay fags or step up
don't really care as long as the net progresses

kill winders
they're halfway there anyways

>>60222852
Enable developer mode and use the Ubuntu package.

Here is again without any picture

1. a question based configuration wizard at the command line but easier for first timers (like ZNC wizard)
2. web interface for absolute novices, also skinnable
3. one single command for configuration and using config files for more complex configuration, short command flags help experts make quick fixes and the ability to re-read config files to load major configuration changes, using more than one command becomes too confuse when you can do the same with only one and a bunch of config files, plus the config files self document better
4. mail (plus newsgroups-like mailing lists)
5. irc (plus voip/video streaming that can be captured by an external application)
6. an imageboard would be exceptional but certainly a great step towards adoption, and if it has to use a web interface better be for styling and use of personalized scripts
9. using a loopback interface to connect to mail and IRC clients
8. some other anon said something like "a way for seeders to know the completed percentage leechers have"

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Is reCAPTCHA a backdoor for Google? The autistic non-Javascript one is an eyesore whenever I open up /g/ but I feel like if I enable JS they'll enroach on my freedoms.

>>60224044
Who made this? Seriously, wtf

>>60218487
We could put together a friends only freenet network and dump our anime there.
I can contribute a terabyte or so.

>>60224335
I'll make the logo

>>60224044
WTF?
Doesn't this gnunet-gtk have any settings or graphical interface to configurate the bandwidth? God fucking damn it. Uninstalling and CLI it is

Isn't this the p2p network where you'd get CP disguised as innocuous files?

>>60224388
gnunet-setup

>>60221958
Explain to me how it's more anonymous than Tor.

>>60224588
what you mean officer?

>>60224622
encrypted network traffic, but "no clue on who sent what" sums it up

>>60224622

https://gnunet.org/gnunet-vs-tor

>Finally, we should say that Tor is pretty much production quality software, whereas GNUnet is still alpha quality and way to hard to use for the average user.

This sounds like LimeWire. Fuck that brings me back.

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>>60224619
Thanks, this really helped. Now I hope I can see some significant result after the changes I made.
This is quite intimation to workout with.
>F2F (Friend-to-Friend)
>ywn have friends running gnunet

where's all the pizza at?

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>>60225207
If it's nonfree then no deal.

>>60224588
I think that's gnutella. Think older p2p file sharing programs like LimeWire.

https://web.cs.umass.edu/publication/docs/2012/UM-CS-2012-016.pdf

>>60225589
>mit cucks
what a surprise

>>60225646
What is the problem?

>>60225651
going through all that work just to have your name written on some paper
but I guess that's how all of academia works
Also, what does this mean:
>•We find that offenders using Tor use it inconsitently. Over 60% of linkable user sessions send traffic from non-Tor IPs at least once after first using Tor, thus removing its protection; over 90% of sessions observed on three or more days fail likewise
How exactly does this work? Do they access something from Tor then access that same thing without Tor, or do they access a site with Tor, then open some other website without Tor on their normal browser? How do you link those 2 together?

>>60225710
>How exactly does this work?

Seems they enabled Tor to download CP, then disabled it to download other files, unaware that these networks have a persistent GUID associated with each peer.

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>>60225745
ah right, forgot this was about p2p networks
Is this supposed to be Yugoslavia, in 2010?

>>60225589
Wow, that article literally educates people on how to download cp safely

Can't research security without attacking it

>>60225775
that dark blue country is germany

>>60224622
Tor has a problem that if you're being spied on already and the spy owns the entrance node to the network and either the exit node or the hidden service you're connecting to, they can use traffic analysis to determine whether you're responsible for certain messages, with very high probability.

Gnunet is resistant to those traffic analysis attacks because of cover traffic.

>>60226921
Well if the exit node and your isp are attacking you at the same time, then chances are you're already up against national to global level adversaries.

Not much you can do really. If the fucking CIA niggers want to torture you to death, they're probably already on their way to do it

>>60225589
>check references
>find this
>http://www.sciencedirect.com.secure.sci-hub.bz/science/article/pii/S0267364911001543

However, examples exist of attitudes towards child
pornography in online communities (not paedophilic) that
differ from society at large. The prominent 4Chan community
online attracts 15 million users each quarter and has been
described as “a surreptitious cultural powerhouse” (Sauthoff,
2009, p. 1). Although the 4Chan site forbids illicit material
(see http://www.4chan.org/rules), the appearance of explicit
child pornography images on 4Chan noticeboards has been
reported (Rushkoff, 2009). This behaviour has been interpreted
as a signal of defiance against censorship and an assertion of
the free flow of information on the Internet, irrespective of its
form (Rushkoff, 2009). Notwithstanding the potential that
child pornography was used for non-sexual purposes, arguably
the behaviour demonstrates a degree of tolerance for the
material among some 4Chan users

>>60228946
>4Chan
fucking normalfags

>>60228965
>being tolerant of paedophilia
>being a pedophile

fuck you 4Channer

>>60226921
This isn't an issue with Tor because it needs the spy to own every single node you're connected to. The Snowden leaks showed that the NSA abandoned this type of attack because they could not possibly do it, and it was easier to slander Tor online to discourage people from using it.

>>60228977
Every 4channer is sysadmin hacker

>>60218231
Is there any plan for a GNUnet nyaa replacement?

>>60218231
>no windows client

intothetrashitgoes.tiff

>>60221906
>tor's .onion domains
tor's onion domains are just the 80 first bits of the sha1 hash of 1024 bit rsa certificates. This is not safe by any means.

>>60230225
>not having atleast one GNU/Linux dedicated PC
No you go to the fucking trash, asshole.

there is already a nyaa replacement on i2p

http://25cb5kixhxm6i6c6wequrhi65mez4duc4l5qk6ictbik3tnxlu6a.b32.i2p/

>>60230259
>having more than one pc
>having more than one monitor

neither gnu or linux runs games anyway

>>60230272
>muh gaymes
>/reddit/

>>60230277
dwarf fortress is srs business

stay mad with your goatnet

>>60230265
>site in i2p
>have to torrent through clearnet
Yeah no. If I use i2p then I go all the way

>>60230272
>not having 5 monitors
>not having atleast 10 computers
Go back to >>>/v/ you fag.

>>60230369
but everyone on /v/ has several monitors, looks like you need to go there

>>60230331
You can have the torrent over i2p if you want, nobody will stop you.

>>60230265
Is it read-only? If not, do they have their db available?

>>60230428
I managed to get 5mb and then ????????
The anime torrenting is quite dead there.

>>60221520
the first programs were written with cat before the advent of texteditors my friend

>>60230272
A Raspberry Pi is literally $35 and will run all this shit just fine. At some point you have to admit the problem is you.

>>60230710
no

>>60230670
kek

>>60222437
>C
no

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>>60230670
But how was cat written then?

>>60230764
In all seriousness, the first versions of unix were written from another OS using its text editors, which were a lot like ed(1) given that they were using paper teletypes. First in assembly, then BCPL, then B, then C. By that point everything, including the C compiler, was written in C, and the whole ecosystem bootstrapped cleanly.

>>60218231
Has anyone solved the title search problem? Right now you have to download the entire database for efficient search. Everything else is easy whether you use IPFS, GNUnet, zeronet or whatever.

>>60230724
Microshart Winbugs users, everyone.

>>60224044

wtf

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>>60224044
Stop.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It won't work.

Did anyone upload a VM image with it set up, like there was talk about in the previous thread?

>>60218231
Why are you guys promoting GNUnet? Isn't this like a clone of Gnutella/G2 which was quite popular back in the early 2000s?

>>60233681
completely unrelated

>>60233681
>facepalm.jpeg

>>60233780
>>60233701
>advertising it as a file p2p file sharing network (protocol + client)
>not offering a barely decent technical explanation of how this is different
>assuming everyone here know only about torrents
>it's not the same thing guys!!!
welp, good luck getting traction then

>>60230290
GNU runs dwarf fort you retarded mongoloid

>>60233816
well its not like we are on a board for technology where a bare minimum knowledge could be assumed, right?

Just do a quick wikipedia search to learn the differences.

TL;DR: GNUnet is called like that because of GNU, it is overlay netowrked focused on anonymity. Gnutella is called like that because of Nutella, the underlying network and ist focused on file sharing without major concerns about privacy

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>>60233997
>GNUnet is called like that because of GNU, it is overlay netowrked focused on anonymity.
There are literally dozens of those and there are a few who support several other applications too. And then there are the one that piggyback on other protocols to offer the same (ZeroNet + Tor)
Again. Why GNUnet

>>60234108
im not the one who has advoceted for GNUnet.
Are you sure you replied to the right post?

I just explained the differences between Gnutella and Gnunet

Any way to proxy it trough a socks5 proxy?

>>60234716
You would rape the living shit out of your proxy doing so, so I doubt it.

>>60236169
>You would rape the living shit out of your proxy doing so
W-why?

>>60234108
Zeronet is the exact opposite of secure, or anonymous.
Gnunet is basically tor except designed for p2p downloads, combined with yaci and namecoins, except each system is made custom for the gnunet.
Gnunet's first significant flaw is that it's beyond slow: 1 byte per second is not viable for anything. Its second problem is that even dead files are found in file indexes, making it extremely hard to find anything. Its third problem is lack of users.

>>60221958
This is a pretty shitty comparison because in practice, speed matters a hell of a lot. So does things like whether distributed files are encrypted and the distribution mechanism.

Beyond just file sharing, though, it would be good to have applications in general (and comparison along with them) that can do logic sharing (e.g. eth or maidsafe).

>>60236297
Speed and file indexing are two valid points, I agree
>>60236398
Again speed is a valid point, and for your second point I myself think GNUnet devs should have focused on communications rather than filesharing

>>60236209
GNUnet opens over 150 separate connections to peers if it can. TCP, UDP, ICMP, everything.

Wouldn't be a good idea to add indexing-friendly tags to files?

Apart from that, what about make a self degrading header that signs files as "inexistent, erase from network records" when they reach a time on the network, but which can be (arbitrarily) renewed when this header reach users who have the file? I know this automatically makes more evident who have it, but maybe there is a way to conceal this that I am missing. Maybe if the file holders raise the rate of living of the header just enough it may not be perceptible.

>>60238476
>indexing-friendly tags to files?
Already there.

>>60238550
Figure it would, so what is the problem, is the indexing engine? Excuse my ignorance, I did read the docs but my knowledge is limited.

>>60238570
The problem is literally that there is no mechanism to remove dead files. If someone knows of the index, it's broadcasted, even though nobody in the network has ever been able to find the file. Because of that, there doesn't exist a way to correctly find a file: if you look for rms.png, you will have thousands of hits, but maybe only 2 hits are actually alive, and only during the right time of day.

>>60238620
Yeah, I saw it addressed in this thread. That is why my second point of a self destructing header. Not sure if just this is enough, or it may even be good at all but is an idea. Maybe even sending a list of requested files should help increase header life when they cross file holders.

Use i2p.

/thread

>>60239101
is there an i2pchan?

>>60239101
>/thread
nope

this is the better i2p, GNUnet is the future (sadly not the present thou)

Has anyone had any success running "Test configuration" in gnunet-setup? It always gives me a red X.

>>60236297
>Zeronet is the exact opposite of secure, or anonymous.
Do you say this because all traffic goes clear? What if you use Tor? Also what exactly do you mean by not secure?

>Gnunet is basically tor except designed for p2p downloads, combined with yaci and namecoins, except each system is made custom for the gnunet.
This is better description of it. Too bad it's been around for so long. I personally have my doubts if will catch on. I had a movie session with some normies it was all streaming.

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$ gnunet-arm -s
$ gnunet-gtk

what the FUCK is this
WHY is the aboriginal flag a menu icon?
what are those icons supposed to mean?
what the fuck is a ````zone script'''' and why couldn't it even find the path?

lord have mercy, those gsoc kids better fix this shit

>>60238620
so...you may have to try hundreds of files until you get one that might be alive?

>>60233816
nah, you're just lazy

wow this piece of shit is so fucking slow
to the people shilling this, have you ever actually tried to use it?

>>60240859
Are you talking about GNUnet or your mother?

Hey guys what about netsukuku project?

>>60239492
>Do you say this because all traffic goes clear?
If only. This has been described to death already and you should just google it desu senpai.

>>60240238
Yes, exactly. Of course in practice you'd just give someone a link to the gnunet file you are sharing, but then that kinda defeats the point (all the distributed tagging and searching is unused).

Anyone ever get in contact with the devs? I figure they might be interested that there's interest in GNUnet.

>>60239246
Yes, nntpchan has i2p nodes.

>>60240201
It has been fixed for a long while now.

>>60243629
Read the thread

>>60244554
I'm running debian unstable, just installed from the repos.

Should I have built the beta from scratch instead?

>>60245944
install gentoo

>>60243629
you can join the irc if you'd like. they're interested in gnunet, that's why they're developing for it. more people waiting to use it should encourage more user friendly deployment though.

>>60220832
>duh our shitty halfassed version of cat is a much shorter than your proper one!