/pcbg/ - PC Building General

First for RX 570 is the best bang for buck card.

>yfw you realized that the power supply fan should point towards the floor, not towards the motherboard

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Can someone tell me what cables I need attached to this? When I hook all of them up it seems like overkill.

My build:

Ryzen 1700x
Radeon 480 8gb
MSI 350 tomahawk
Cryorig H7
Corsair 16gb RAM
Samsung SSD 850 evo
WD 1TB HDD

This party has stumped me because there is literally no help in the manual. And yes this is my first build. Yes I'm a faggot.

Also: what are the Perif connections?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RBMvFd

I am doing a ryzen 1600 build
I lack the Gpu
Do i get the Sapp RX 480 nitro
or the Sapp RX 570 pulse
Both 4 gigs, about same price, 480 actually a bit cheaper.

>>60216612
Help me with this build /pcbg/

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ywRT7h
Case will be Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow. Mainly for video editing and gaymin. Is this okay?

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No one answered last thread. Good deal or should I wait?

>>60216622
>480 actually a bit cheaper.
480 is stronger, go for it.

>>60216610

Some of your components will have power cables. You'll need to plug the power cables from those components into the PSU, you should also have a large power cable that connects your motherboard to it, your GPU may have a power cable depending on the model.

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So there gonna be a $300 vega? Will it be much better then the 4/580?

I'm a huge bang-for-buck style guy, usually purchasing something new every 2 years. However i stayed with the pic related set up for the past 3 years and am now feeling the the age.

Was thinking a whole new set up, with Ryzen 1600 that was suggested, but undecided on going for a 580 or wait and see if Vega has a lower end/bang for buck model.

1700 or locked 7700?

>>60216661
Ty sir, ordering it right away.

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>>60216610
cpu1 goes in there

>>60216634
Since you're also video editing definitely go for Ryzen

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>>60216610
VGA1 & 2 go in there
your GPU will most likely have different number of pins for those connectors, it's perfectly fine.

>>60216610

Wait wtf, I just opened your image and can't see a motherboard connection on your PSU. Am I being a retard or can someone explain this to me?

>>60216612
>>60216624
anon we already helped you
there's nothing left to change, it's a fine build

>>60216719
it's not fully modular, mobo cable is at the top, the big one that goes through all of the picture

>>60216686

Intel new i5 CPU will got more cores than that piece of shit.
Guess which one will be the new industry standard.

>>60216686
usage?
7700 isn't clocked as high as 7700k so it doesn't benefit from the same lead at all in gaming. r7 1700 would be better in my opinion, but it can still depends on usage.

>>60216733

Ah right that makes sense, thanks.

>>60216754
games

i7 7700k if you want the best performance and most powerful CPU

Ryzen if you want a budget build.

Do Gigabyte 580s have shit cooling? I've heard bad things about it. If the answer is yes, it's pretty safe to assume Aorus cards are the same, right?

>>60216778
>Ryzen
>budget build
i don't get this. The R5 1600 blows the 7600k out of the water, just because intel 6 cores are more expensive & more powerful doesn't mean it's "budget" in any way

>>60209613
>>60209700
Same anon here. So how much does one's RAM speed matter in conjunction with your CPU? Is the difference negligible for my use (1080p/60Hz)?

I can get 2400 for $21 less and 3200 for $15 more. I'd love to save $21 to put into something else, but if I bank on ASRock updating the AB350M Pro4 for for compatibliity in the future the 3200 kit would be just as good.

As for a monitor, I wanted a relatively budget IPS which is why I chose that one. I did some reading on FreeSync and the consensus I saw was that unless I'm going specifically for a 144Hz one it wouldn't be worth it? Or is it still fine/useful at <75Hz? The only "competitive" game I play is Dota 2, and that's still casually at best.

Lastly, if I can get the same Samsung 850 EVO's M.2-2280 version for the same price I might as well, right? Or are there some reasons (heat, etc.) where having the 2.5" is still good?

>>60216788
who buys the 7600k? show me proof that any ryzen beats the 7700k

>>60216610
lol.. why would you hook up all? That defeats the purpose of modular or semi-modular.
Don't you have a manual with it?
My Seasonic M12II was stupidly straight forward. It had labels on the PSU by the connections, and it had labels on each end of the connectors. That one looks stupidly straight forward, too.

Anyway, attach the component end into the component first and THEN attach to the PSU. Once you run out of components to connect, you don't attach any more to components and thus you don't attach anymore to the PSU.
Put the rest in the box and keep the box until warranty expires.

>>60216783
Noise/cooling performance ratio isn't exactly good on most cards actually. MSI is great for GPUs, as is XFX. EVGA and the like are dogshit.

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Uh guys? Why is it running at this voltage..

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>>60216794
>Is the difference negligible for my use (1080p/60Hz)?
It's not negligible, it's invisible.

>I can get 2400 for $21 less
Go for it.

>I did some reading on FreeSync and the consensus I saw was that unless I'm going specifically for a 144Hz one it wouldn't be worth it? Or is it still fine/useful at <75Hz?

The advantages of Freesync is the most appreciated when going into low framerate. It is very fine and useful for any framerate.

>Lastly, if I can get the same Samsung 850 EVO's M.2-2280 version for the same price I might as well, right? Or are there some reasons (heat, etc.) where having the 2.5" is still good?
It doesn't really heat that much. It also doesn't use any cable so i personally like M.2 better than sata drive just for this.

>>60216798
>show me proof that any ryzen beats the 7700k
pic related. you probably might want to leave this general before saying any stupider shit

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>>60216798

https://www.toptengamer.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-vs-intel-i7-7700k-1800x/

>>60216810
Noise isn't really my concern, I'm basically alone most of the time.
Well, waiting for the XFX ones to be available in the 3rd world then.

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>>60216612
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RBMvFd
Pretty sure I already commented on this build in the last thread. Go look for what I said there.

>>60216645
Aren't those the ones that explode because they didn't have proper VRAM cooling...?
You can get cheaper ones that don't explode on sale sometimes.

>>60216622
Isn't the 570 Pulse a mITX card?

>>60216603
>yfw power supply is sitting on desk, pointing toward ceiling.

>>60216794
For 60hz it really doesn't matter. But I'd still get at least 2666 because the cost isn't that high for it, generally.
Dual rank 2666 is also nice to have if you're going to get an APU at some point as they like dual channel dual rank.

>>60216852
CPU-Z is often inaccurate. But maybe it's accurate there. If so, rip CPU.

>>60216852
open ryzen master to see actual voltage
more likely to be a cpu-z than anything. Your cpu would die pretty fast at 1.8v under LN2, so imagine at 2.3v

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You guys told me Ryzen has better minimums. What the hell is this?

>>60216704
>>60216717
Thanks, brother.

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>>60216455
Gaming and streaming my games mainly. Minor video editing.
no real budget but I'd like it right around 1600-1800$

Red Orchestra 2
Killing Floor 2
Total war warhammer
Bayonetta
Ultimate Marvel vs capcom 3
Guilty Gear
I'll be wanting to play a bunch of games my current PC can't handle.
Mad Max
Dawn of War 3
Rising Storm 2
Mount and blade warband when it comes out
New GG
On and on
I use Gimp, youtube downloader, gifcam and vclip.
1080p 60 hz
USA


Just seeing If I have good choices. If I can replace something with an equal part for less price let me know. looking for longevity I want this around for 7-10 years like my current pc. Stability, reliability and performance is key. Thanks /g/entlemen

>>60216868
That picture isn't showing me shit for games
>>60216869
And this picture shows me that the Ryzen only beats the intel in select few games

>>60216909
A cherry picked benchmark.
Ryzen has better framepacing and at times better minimum.

>>60216915
>Gaming and streaming my games mainly. Minor video editing.
>6700k
This general has been invaded by intelshill.

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>>60216798
>show me proof that any ryzen beats the 7700k
It doesn't on average, but it does in many games stock for stock when both have 3200MHz RAM and aren't on day1 BIOS.
This is a wide selection of games, and it wins in about 30%.

>>60216909
>what is this
Probably bad testing methodology. It's winning on all there, which isn't accurate.

>>60216915
>streaming
1600 or 1700, duh.

>>60216933
>That picture isn't showing me shit for games
CPU performance has fuck all to do with games, leave this general and go back to your fucking board
>>>/v/

Even the fucking r5 1600 packs much more performance than the 7700k. No idea what the fuck you are doing in /pcbg/

>>60216933

Well yeah, so there's your proof, unless you're now going to change the goalposts and say you meant definitive proof in each and every benchmark.

Also bear in mind you said any Ryzen and this is the 1700, the 1700x and 1800/x are even faster.

>>60216958
>people say to buy the i7 if they're strictly playing video games
>other people in this thread talk about video games
>this anon here gets triggered over the word video game and spazzes on an anonymous board

go count your dick or cock

>>60216958
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3647vs3917

>>60216915
>Gaming and streaming my games mainly. Minor video editing.
Ditch the Intel CPU, cooler & mobo. Get R5 1600 or R7 1700. Thermal paste is unneeded, though it is always handy to have.

Get a $90 ~ $110 B350 mobo with it, and another 1TB hard drive. Always come handy for storing recording, video exports, source files for your videos or cache preview files that take a lot of space.

Why a full tower case?

Could also downgrade the PSU to a 600w one and it'd still have a very big room left.

>>60216958
>>60216959

Pretty much the only scenario in which it could outperform a 7700k is when games utilize more than 8 threads which likely isn't going to be for years to come.

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bought this at Micro Center
it fits in the 5.25 slot, but it's slightly too wide to fit through the front panel. basically the drawer won't open
should I sand down the sides? not sure how to proceed cuz I really don't wanna return it

>>60217010

Comparing 4,000 benchmarks to over 24,000

ishygddt

>>60216959

A handful of current AAA games beg to differ and I would expect those to become more common in the future.

That said, I doubt many developers will go out of their way to get around Ryzen's cross-CCX latency issues which appear to be responsible for a large chunk of Ryzen's gaming performance issues.

>>60217019
>years to come.
Well intel fuck up then, their new line up used 6 cores in i5.

>>60216990
That retard said that the 7700k was a more powerful CPU than a r7 1700 which is factually false. Sure, it reaches higher FPS in games and is better at singlecore... But the r7 1700 still has double the core.

You don't say "X is more powerful than Y" like a retard when you're only referring to gaming, it's fucking retarded. This is /pcbg/ in /g/, not fucking /v/. You're also very autistic for finding it acceptable, people come here to get informations, not being fucking misleaded.

>>60217040
Guaranteed, Intel's optimization based on their previous platforms and implementation is top notch, AMD were in such a hurry to get their chips out to match Kaby Lake and beat x99 sales that it seems they almost completely forgot the optimization and testing process. :(

>>60217060
what the hell are you talking about?
do you know Intel's plan for the next years? I dont think so, not only because Intel just doesnt care about AMD and especially the ryzen..........
14nm architecture: 2016 Skylake, 2017 Kabylake, 2018 Coffeelake (theyre all just tweaked, manufacturing-process optimized, etc in a 1year-cycle).
now that they're done with 14nm chips by 2018, they'll jump over to 10nm and after that to 7nm architecture.
also, AMD has difficulty to provide their top notch r7 chips - they wont just cripple a fully functioning chip just for the sake to provide a less powerfull chip. actually, AMD is the one in a hurry here.

>>60217065
Really subtle, you almost got me.

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>>60217078
>what the hell are you talking about?
>do you know Intel's plan for the next years? I dont think so, not only because Intel just doesnt care about AMD and especially the ryzen..........
what the fuck are you on about

just leave this general man, you're not helping anyone

Are there any budget to midrange AM4 mobos that support p-state OC or is it entirely limited to high-end stuff like Taichi?

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>>60217010
Are userbenchmark posts a reportable offence? It's obvious shitposting on top of going off topic.

>>60216990
For pure gaming and unlimited budget, a 7700k does make more sense. Both these are people that said streaming and video editing, too.
And the 1600/1600X are better value.

>>60217019
>is when games utilize more than 8 threads which likely isn't going to be for years to come.
This is such a blatant lie that people have been spamming for years. Games having been utilizing n numbers of threads for more than 4 years.
Hardware 360 did a test on how many cores/threads games tend to utilize.
https://imgur.com/a/s7Img

4c/8t is the sweet spot, but 6c/12t considering it costs less money is also good.
It's just that they're dependent on BOTH the number of threads and the performance of each thread.
But the obvious trend has been of games breaking the draw calls off from gameplay and multithreading the draw calls.
For anyone that doesn't plan to replace their motherboard and CPU in a year or two, going a 4c/8t intel CPU on a dead socket just seems stupid even for gaming. But if someone really wants to, hey I'm not trying to stop them since seeing their buyers remorse in a year or two will be funny.

>>60216952
Sure pal.

>>60216954
1600 or 1700 what

>>60217018
I have a spare tb and a half so i'm good. Do total i'd have the ssd a tb and a tb and a half.

I like full towers, I want lots of room to work. As I am clumsy and have big dumb hands. Plus I like the usbs it come with and placement.

I currently use AMd and am not a fan so I will stick with my current mobo. But its just personal preference.

>>60217030
>should I sand down the sides
yes

>>60217078
Yes, we know their plans because they're a publicly traded company that has to release forecasts.
10nm is only for laptops.

>>60217137
>1600 or 1700 what
R5 or R7.

>Finally time to upgrade from my shittel sandybridge.
>RAM price double up

Why you guys never warned me about this before?

>>60217137
>I currently use AMd and am not a fan so I will stick with my current mobo. But its just personal preference.
Listen anon, you come here with the expectation of getting informations about what is the best for you, so that's exactly what we're telling you
The AMD Ryzen CPU offer more cores than similarly priced intel cpus, and each of these store although not as strong are very very close to intel cores in peformances.

Take an example at the picture in this message: >>60216868 . This is an x264 (video encoding) benchmark, the numbers are frame per seconds so the higher the faster the video is encoded.
See the R7 1700? It costs the same at the i7 7700k. Yet, see how much below it is?
That's because the R7 1700 has double the core. Even if it's clocked much much lower (3.0 vs 4.2GHz), it outperforms it by a very big margin, because it has double the cores. Better even: it doesn't require an aftermarket cooler, while the 7700k heats so much that you need to get a $40 cooler to get acceptable temperatures at the very least

That's why absolutely anyone that does video editing, encoding or streaming that comes here is never recommended an Intel CPU.
The Ryzen CPUs are just far, far better at it. All three of those usages scale heavily from the number of cores, and the Intel cpus competing against Ryzen ones are all 4 cores. You can go for your 6700k if you want, but you'd be with a build performing much much worse, and it'd also cost much more.
I know there's some old stigma around amd cpus being shit, but with these new (2 months old) AMD CPUs, it isn't the case anymore.

>>60217126
Also, these were just with a GTX 1080. They're GPU bottlenecked near the top.

>>60217126
You can also see the massive jump going from 2c/2t to 2c/4t. Which is why G4560 are so highly recommended compared to G3220s in the past.
>games only use 1 thread
>games only use 4 threads
>games only use 8 threads
All myths that people keep shitposting for years.
Single core performance IS important, especially in older games, but so is more cores especially on certain games as >>60216954 shows.

And not having 50% or 100% more cores is always more of a detriment than not simply having 5-20% more single core performance on average.
Best case scenario for a 7700k is that it can max out 95-100% utilization on all 8 threads for a game, but then it has no headroom for other applications and that's a CPU bottleneck. It does that on many, many games without reaching 144fps, so what the fuck is the point?

>>60217328
>Which is why G4560 are so highly recommended compared to G3220s in the past.
So much this, and also the reason why i3 is obsolete now.
Higher Clock but similar price with i5? extra threads in the latest Pentium G showed that higher clock almost meant nothing.

Even Intel proved it them self by killing their own i3 lineup.
Nice job intards,

>>60216679
pls rspnd

What is the cheapest motherboard that can use ddr4-3600 that works with ryzen 1700?

>>60216679
>So there gonna be a $300 vega?
unlikely, vega is high end
>wait and see if Vega has a lower end/bang for buck model.
considering how close we are to the release of vega, waiting is indeed wiser

>>60217439

probably asus prime b350 plus

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>>60217454
I thank you anon here have youngish Clint Eastwood riding a Pony.

>>60217466

The first leaked benchmark for Vega showed it coming in just above a 1070. Take it with a pinch of salt but I'd imagine they will release a cheaper budget-oriented version too.

>>60217492
>The first leaked benchmark for Vega showed it coming in just above a 1070
You know what else showed vega coming just above a 1070? An actual Vega demo that happened 5 months ago on Fiji drivers
There's no way it performs just "slightly above" the 1070 when it already did with drivers that do not take advantage of the cards features at allr

>>60217521

What I'm saying is that those leaked benchmarks which came out a few days ago showing the Vega coming in just above the 1070 could be a lower powered cheaper version, because another load of benchmarks that came out a few days after showed the Vega as beating the 1080ti.

Again, we shouldn't speculate too much on unverified 'leaks' but if they are legitimate then it could be an indication of the higher and lower end of the Vega line-up.

>>60217254
This was very convincing. my friend Andy said the same thing. So I'm switching the mobo and chip. Should I switch my graphics card? OR stick with the other one

>>60217622
>Should I switch my graphics card?
No reason to. It is definitely overkill for 1080p60hz, but that's nothing really bad.

Remember to post again with updated pcpartpicker list

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>>60217492
>if you take the 1080Ti, disable half the CUDA cores, and underclock it 30%, and run it on years old Fermi drivers, it's worse than the RX470!!!!!!1111
DONT BUY THE 1080Ti JUST GET AN RX470 NOW.

RETARDS

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>>60217652
ofc

>>60217465
>asus prime b350 plus
it says the max is 3200 on their website

>>60217774
If you're fine with manually overclocking, you can go with an R7 1700 instead of 1700x and get a slightly better cooler, then OC the cpu to 3.8GHz. Hell, it would probably still be fine with this cooler. The only difference between these two CPU are clocks & voltage needed, but reaching the 3.8GHz the 1700x is clocked at with an 1700 non-x is nothing hard (anything over that is really random though).

I'm about to pull the trigger on this build, any thoughts? I don't really care about looks, just functionality.
>purpose:
1080p / 60hz gaming, some live streaming and video encoding.
>budget
900
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XZfvFd

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My total is $1491.56 I am trying to cut that down so that I can hopefully keep a monitor and speakers+amplifier. I know I could technically shave money off by ditching the 1080. But overall, how did I do?

Using my old video card until Vega. Any improvements on this build to save money? Budget is 1k. Like the ram. This seems to only go up to 2900 mhz max until the bios of these motherboards get better. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4BHhr7

>>60217900
Looks good, why buying W10 though?
Just crack it. And if you don't manage to, you can always buy it down the line.

>>60217914
You could ditch the thermal paste, downgrade the PSU & downgrade the case to a mATX one since your mobo is mATX.

i bought a random 280x for £70 from cex
did i fuck up?

Is the Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case good?
It looks a bit ugly in the official photos, so I'm a bit hesitant to get it, but I'm on a budget and everything else about it seems nice

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1489140137/nsg-s0-worlds-first-fanless-chassis-for-high-perfo

This sounds brilliant.
Should I?

>>60216455
When do good deals/price drops appear generally? Around Black Friday, end of year? Need an upgrade soon but I'd rather hold on for a few more months and maybe jump to 4K while I'm at it.

>>60217990
Idk. It's similar performance to an RX560, but twice the power consumption.

>>60217922
>save money
Get this SSD instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TqYXsY/kingston-internal-hard-drive-shfs37a240g
Downgrade the PSU to a 500/500w

Doubt you're going to be able to fit a Vega in this budget though
Could try downgrading the 1700 to a 1600, unless you do make use of all 8 cores

>>60217990
It's fine but starting to show it's age
Also that's 50€ less than the one i got 2 years ago, thought mine wasn't used

>>60217914
don't ditch the 1080 entirely, do get a non-founder's edition model though

>>60218057
>do get a non-founder's edition model though
There's nothing cheaper than the one he picked

I'm at a fucking toss up, guys.

Please help me decide.

i7 7700k or Ryzen 1700X?

Both are the same price I think

My main usage will be gaming, but I will also be building VM labs for work and self certification studying.

>>60218016
The prototype looked better. Wtf?

But idk. It looks OKAY

>>60218068
>VM
Ryzen all the way, 4 cores for VM work is a joke when you have access to eight cores for cheaper
R7 1700x is bad value compared to R7 1700, you should go for R7 1700 instead. If it's high clocks you can still get a $30 cooler down the line and still end up $70 less

>Both are the same price I think
R7 1700x is more expensive than 7700k, but r7 1700 is much much cheaper than 7700k because it doesn't require a $40 cooler and already comes with one

>>60217328
>Single core performance IS important, especially in older games, but so is more cores especially on certain games as >>60216954 shows.
Not the one you're talking to but i'm about to get a Ryzen build and i'm in between the 1600 and the 1600X.
Obviously the 1600 has better value and OC's almost just as good as the 1600X, but the 1600X offers better single core XFR boost or whatever it's called.
I do value this because i have some older, more demanding games, like TW:Shogun2 for example and idk whether the X CPU is worth is for the single core performance.
FIY that game is 1 thread only, which sucks ass.

I own a 1700 and I am afraid of overclocking because I don't know the first thing about OCing and i'm afraid of burning my shit

>>60218129
>better single core XFR boost or whatever it's called.
This is just an auto-overclocking feature, 1600 has it but it's in steps of 50mhz instead of 100. No effective difference at all, really.

>>60216455
a GTX 1080 is worthwhile now, it cost the price of what a GTX 1070 used to cost and with the Ti out you can get a low milage 1080 for good money.

>>60218129
If you don't want to OC and can spend more money: 1600X
If you don't mind doing an OC and want better value: 1600

>>60218172
1080 is in the list of "worthwhile GPUs". 1070 is not.

>>60218166
That sucks, hoped the 1600X would give me more single core performance.

>>60218195
What if i don't mind doing an OC and can spend the money?

>>60216455
First time trying to build a computer (if you don't count the mobo I fried when I was 7)

Purpose: moderate gaming, word processing and general dicking around on the internet as well as acting as the transmitter for a pirate internet radio station for my guild.

Games: World of warcrack, Elite Dangerous, Heros of the storm, various fallouts and TF2 when it piques my fancy, sometimes minecraft as well.
other Programs: microsoft suite, chrome with far too many tabs open at a given time, MX Fireworks (or whatever photo manip program I get this go around), cannon photo utilities

Seeking general build improvements.
Budget: Trying to bring it around or under 500 dollars.

Case doesn't factor into cost as that's been sitting around for a few months.

currently parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cqJf4C

Mostly I need direction on the Mobo because I've bounced three different directions on it in the last two days (originally was looking at a Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX but when I couldn't find that for less than 80 dollars I started looking at other options and eventually wound up looking at the ASRock Fatal1ty B250 Gaming K4 ATX instead.

>>60218217
You don't buy 1600x for the single core performance, specially when you said you want to run VM labs.

>>60216645
USD? check ebay, newegg, and other reseller on pcpartpicker. I'll go for another model, this model did not come with with cooling pads for VRAM and it would heat more than anything ever made by AMD, EVGA had to recall their 1070 and 1080 FTW or send cooling pads to buyer to fix their gpu. Even after the fix, VRAM still runs hot compared to their competition.

How do you overclock a 1700?
What do I use? software? go into the bios? How do I know what voltage and stuff to use? i'm afraid of burning it out

>>60218239
>i5
>1050ti
>Mostly I need direction on the Mobo

You need an education.

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>>60218161
You're gonna need to increase the cpu voltage as you increase the frequency. 1.25v for 3.7GHz is doable on all 1700, antyhing over depends heavily on silicon lottery.

Never under any circumstances go above 1.4v, it will start damaging your CPU in the long term. Considering you're a begginner, go at 1.35v max.

Just because it boots and windows is running doesn't mean it's stable. You test stability using stress tests (prime95), if you're on stock cooler don't do it for an extended period of time.

Use Ryzen master for this, it's pretty easy. If your temperature suddenly go high after applying the OC, it's normal: sudden high increase of clock always, for every cpu out there, ramp temperature a lot more up than slow increase of clock.

>>60218217
>What if i don't mind doing an OC and can spend the money?
Get R5 1600 + $60 air cooler, OC to 4GHz with high 1.37v if needed

>>60218195
>1080 is in the list of "worthwhile GPUs". 1070 is not.
Well the 1070 is too, but I did not see the 1080 until after my post, my bad.

>>60218257
yeah.. I do. ....

Ok let's start from the top... what isn't wrong about my parts list?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BxrcCJ/be-quiet-case-bg002

How is this case?

>>60218266
>what isn't wrong about my parts list?
Every single component is a bad choice. Try looking at some other builds in the thread.

>>60218272
It's ok except for the logo.

>>60218266

CPU got bottleneck by GPU.
Overkill CPU for lite gaming.
Opening multiple tabs with underpowered CPU/corelet.

>>60218259
So just go into the bios and raise the frequency, and if it crashes, raise the volt? And repeat until it gets to like 3.7ghz or so?

Trident 3000mhz or ripjaws V series 2400mhz with ryzen cpu?????

>>60218289
>>60218286

So would going back to my original parts list be wise?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nGhknn

This is what I was looking at originally before a friend got involved and got me off in the direction of the I5

>>60217887
I have never overclocked. So I was gonna avoid that stuff. The cooler is a placeholder. It was cheap and had good reviews.
But thank you!

>>60218429
you don't need to go into the bios, it would take a lot of time
you can do this live on windows through ryzen master, the utility that you can see on >>60218259 's image

>>60218476
Buy the PSU now while it's on sale. That's a good deal.

The rest looks okay but you should get an RX570.
You could probably get an R5 1500X as well.

>>60218476
Great mid gaming PC.
But don't expect too much productivity from it.
Can't expect much with low budget.

>>60218243
I'm not the person you originally were talking to. I will run a single VM, but that's nothing too serious.

>>60218259
>Get R5 1600 + $60 air cooler, OC to 4GHz with high 1.37v if needed
Initially planned doing this with a 1600X but after reading that there's basically zero difference between those two chips, i guess that's the most reasonable choice.
I do want to go with X370 though. B350 VRMs just look lackluster, it's sad that there isn't any real midrange B350 board with good VRM like on the Asus Prime X370-Pro.
A B350 board with similar features, ALC1220 and that good VRM for a reasonable price would be awesome.

>>60218509
Ryzen Master is a great tool that makes it easy to test frequencies and voltages without repeatedly restarting the machine. I've been using it to test certain configurations and to take notes on temperature changes and stability on the fly. Once I stress test a configuration with Ryzen Master and know that it is stable, then I'll go into the UEFI and dial in the settings permanently.

So no, Ryzen Master is not bad. It's a great tool to use when systematically testing for optimal frequency and vcore combinations, but you should ultimately be using the UEFI to set your overclock settings for the long term.

Ryzen Master has saved me a lot of time personally with just fine-tuning so that I can push for those high benchmark scores. I highly recommend for testing purposes, but again, not for long term/everyday use.

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Can someone help me locate where the fuck these are supposed to go? Both my case manual (s340) and my motherboard manual (MSI tomahawk 350) don't tell me.

>>60218608

Ah...The nostalgia.

>>60218608
what happened to your nail?

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>>60218608
Also this is for the 2 included case fans for the s340. It has a molex connector but I don't see one on my motherboard unless I'm a retard which very well may be the case. Should I assume that I disconnect the molex and put them into the system fan slots?

If these are retarded questions please forgive me. This is my very first build.

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>>60218608

>>60218640

I tried build a PC.

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>>60218659
liar

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>Intel Advises Not to Overlock 7700K As Users Complain Over Temps
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ4LlBPX3TU
C U C K E D
U
C
K
E
D

>>60218641
>but I don't see one on my motherboard
Molex come form the PSU, never motherboard

>Should I assume that I disconnect the molex
what? if you means ripping off the connector, don't

>>60218640
I smashed it in my car when my daughter distracted me. I honestly think I broke it because months and months later my thumb still hurts. I have healthcare but I can't be fucked to go check it out.

>>60218641
honestly dude just refer to the instruction manual
just put together my first computer in 10 years, it was helpful

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>>60218608
did your mobo not include one of pic related in the box? I figured all newer ones should but maybe it's just an Asus thing

>>60218781
>it's just an Asus thing
my prime b350m-a didn't incldue it though

>>60218692
>Intel Advises Not to Overlock 7700K As Users Complain Over Temps
I don't get this, what's is the point of K series when they told you not to OC it?

>>60218514
So aside from the difference of .3ghrz what's special about the r5 1500x over the i5 6500...

Explain it like I'm 4 because I basically jumped feet first into the deep end on computers and have no real tangible knowledge on this subject.

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>>60218808
Idk.. beats me.

>>60218695
This is what is attatched to the two system fans. Nowhere do I see on my motherboard where to connect it. However it seems if i detatch parts of it, it can fit on the sysfan connections on my mb.

>>60218781
No it didn't.

>>60218769
I am but it's not telling me shit. It won't tell me if which is positive or negative. I'm looking again.

>>60218781
I don't even know this thing exist until now.
What it's called?
Maybe I can buy hundreds of them for future use.

>>60218808
Something is fucked with the 7700K, spiking to 100C under idle is not normal.

Im sticking with Haswell, just hit 4.4GHz today.

>>60218847
What about the Kabylake Pentium G line up? is it safe?
Considering to built one this week.

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>>60218837
>>60218695
As pictured here.

>>60218446
pls respond

>>60218837
cpu fan connects to the mobo
case fans connect to the psu or to the fan controller if you have one (then the fan controller connects to the psu)
your psu should come with a few molex cables

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>>60218846
well Google is telling me that it's an Asus "Q-Connector," and nobody else seems to include them with their boards so it's probably proprietary. I got one with my P8Z77V-Pro back in 2013, still sandybridgin' to this very day

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I want a relatively cheap graphics card that can play new games at 60+fps and at least future proof me for a while.
Should I get the Radeon RX 470 8GB or is there a better/cheaper option?

>>60218834
it's not locked: no need to pay for a premium to overclock
mobos are also generally cheaper, and it's better at multithreaded tasks because of double the threads (4 cores 4 threads vs 4 cores 8 threads), though it's not that much of a difference
it's also more power efficient & is on a much more recent platform so that opens up much more upgrade path (r5 1600, r7, and any future ryzen cpu in the next 3 years) whereas the last lga 1151 CPU ever will be released in 4 - 5 months, forcing you to get a new mobo if you want to upgrade your CPU in 2019 to something recent

>>60218908
fuck I meant 2011*

>>60218921
but it has shit IPC so it sucks at dwarf fortress lmao

>>60218446
>>60218901
ripjaws mustardrice

>>60218808
I'm pretty sure you get it.
Jews.

>>60218867
Ya Pentium Gs are fine.

>>60218908
>proprietary
Fuck.

>>60218881
that's a 3pin to molex adapter, this is done because mobo generally don't have much 3pin connectors while PSUs always have at least one molex
Both 3 pins connectors lead to the molex right? Or does the molex lead to the case somewhere in the front?

>>60218837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPELIdVNZUI&feature=youtu.be
here dude; they made a youtube video

>>60218901
depends on price difference
if it's +$20, it's not really worth it
unless you're doing cpu intensive work, aka anything productivity

>>60218909
Nope, nothing under that is

Is there anyway to fix the bent pins on my video card?

I put my tower on the floor so I could clean it out and work on it. I stepped away to go make dinner and completley forgot the shit was on the floor and stepped on the interior of my tower

Foot is cut up and my video card is now bent. I can't fit it into the PCIE slot anymore

>>60219000
even if it's bent it should still somewhat work
your only way is to force it through
post picture for the laughs please

>>60219000
Thank you anon, I need a good laugh.

>>60219000
dumbass

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>>60219010
>>60219015
>>60219018
love how everyone reacts the same way

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>>60218906
This is what it looks like now that I disconnected that molex adapter (see at the bottom) It now has two separate connectors that will connect to the "sysfan" ports on the mobo. So is it safe to assume I can just attach the two above into the sys fan ports? If so, should I just connect them into sysfan 1 and sysfan 2? There are 4 sysfan ports on the mobo.

>>60218921
does Ryzen have anything in the price range of the Pentium G4560? Or should I go with that first, and then jump to the r5 1500 later on?


I ask only because my current computer (laptop otherwise I'd just get a new GPU) is right at the edge of being able to run elite dangerous (had to stitch the GPU together with baling wire and technological voodoo that I don't fully understand to be able to play the latest update)

>>60219033
wtf is wrong with your nail
use your other hand

>>60219033

I want to lick that nail.

>>60219033
it's probably for the included can fases

>>60219051
>does Ryzen have anything in the price range of the Pentium G4560?
Nope, they don't even have anything to compete with i3s right now. Ryzen 3 will come out sometimes later this year to compete with i3 but no one knows when

>>60219051
what is your budget? Maybe you could get an R5 1400 and RX560.
The RX560 will apparently only be around $100.

R5 1400 is currently the cheapest Ryzen CPU and none have iGPU.

>>60218994
those two sticks i posted are compatible with ryzen and fatality ab350 k4 momboard?

thanks for help

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>>60219033
we all know what happened anon

what does "silicon lottery" mean when it comes to ryzens?

>>60219088
>can fases
case fan

>>60219156
yes, they are

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>>60219181
it means rolling the dice on whether you end up with a housefire or a nuclear fireball

>>60219186
with which one i should go with? trident is like 10$ more expensive in my country so thats not the problem at all, just not sure which one to get

using ryzen cpu btw

>>60219181
silicon lottery is a term discribing lucky chips that can overclock better than other chips, thanks to better silicon
Not any 7700k is equal, not any r7 1700x is equal. Some overclock better than the others and the one that can overclock quite a lot better are labelled as sillicon lottery chips. It applies to any CPU or GPU.

>>60219224
If trident is only $10 more expensive then it's defo worth the performance gain

>>60219247
wow, thank you so much dude

one last question before i press order button

psu CORSAIR VS series VS650 W will do fine?It doesn't have + bronze, gold thingy so that kinda has me worried

>>60219181
Whether >4Ghz is possible on the stock cooler or it emulates the intel pentium 4 inside experience

>>60219287
>It doesn't have + bronze, gold thingy so that kinda has me worried
It's less energy efficient than other PSUs, but it's still fine.

Ryzen 3.8ghz vs stock i7 7700k? What is better?

>>60219379
For gaming the 7700K, but honestly? It's not worth it. 7700K costs much more, runs hotter and gets its ass handed in productivity applications.

>>60219088
>>60219102
budget's pretty much hit at 500.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nGhknn

Isn't the 560 not even released yet?

>>60219379
Stock 7700k is at 4.2 to 4.5GHz and can hit 4.8GHz (although it will be insanely hot, even on high end aio coolers, without delidding)
Doubt either are fit for you

psu corsair vs650 or antec vp700p

>>60219530
whichever is cheaper

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cv3XH

Any 4k screens I could get for 500-600$ that are damn good?

Anything I could change here as well?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-27-led-gsync-monitor-black/5293502.p?skuId=5293502

What's wrong with this monitor? Isn't it just better than the U2715H since it's 144hz?

>>60219570
You don't really need a Noctua DH-15, they really don't heat much before hitting the voltage wall, but heh you do what you want

>>60219591
>they dont heat much before hitting the voltage wall

don't understand what you mean by this but I plan to OC some.

What's the maximum amount of RAM Ryzen CPUs support?

>>60219602
Ryzen CPUs hit a voltage wall at 4.1GHz and before sometimes
At 3.9GHz it doesn't heat anywhere enough to justify getting a DH-15, neither at 4GHz
And at 4.2GHz it requires too much voltage to be stable, even under watercooling. Only liquid nitrogen can overcome that voltage wall.

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>>60219577
It's a TN panel.
It's $480.
The MG279Q and others are better.

>>60219602
Vcore/Fmax is not a linear relationship.
When the Vcore/Fmax relationship starts going straight up, ie a wall, you are getting a tiny frequency increase for a great voltage increase.

>>60219639
Some lucky people do reach 4.25. But yeah it's 4.05-4.1 on most 1600/1600X it seems.

Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 motherboard supports 3000mhz ram sticks?

>>60219639
What will my temps be around? even if it's only semi accurate i'd like to know

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>>60219068
>>60219087
>>60219166
I smashed my thumb in my car door when I daughter was saying "LOOK LOOK DADA" at God knows what. I got distracted, I slammed my car door shut when my thumb was in the way, and here we are 4 months later and it still hurts like hell.

>>60219577
it's gsync

You're paying a $200 nvidia tax for the exact same thing you get out of a freesync monitor without the $200 tax

>>60219690
It will hurt like hell until you go to the doctors to have the nail removed. It will grow back and you'll be happier.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6KLsf8

What do you guys think? Do you feel it's solid or are there parts that I selected that suck and could swap out for something better?

Done a few tests with Ryzen 1600.
3.7GHz at 1.28750V seems to be stable at around 70c full load.

Should I just leave it like that? I don't even think I was able to hit 3.8GHz with 1.35V.

>>60216877
there also exists a 570 pulse mITX, not wot m talking about.

>>60219733
I think it'd be a fair assessment to say that in general the 7700k performs better in games then the 1700, so toss out the Ryzen CPU and get an Intel one. It's 30 dollars cheaper. Another problem for me in particular is the limited speed of ram allowed on the am4 platform at the moment, though this is likely to change in the future. For builds right now they will be limited to lower end ddr4. For me specifically, I play a lot of fallout 4 and the ram speed matters a lot for that game. So not only would going with ryzen give me less fps to start vs a 7700k, I would also be getting less fps because I'd be using slower ram. Keep in mind this is a more niche example though, most games aren't nearly as ram dependent as fallout 4 is for whatever reason.

>>60219735
You tested it under a stress test right?
3.7 at 1.2875v seems high, try to drop that at 1.25. Should also drop temperatures.
What cooler?

>>60219733
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6KLsf8
Try an Asrock taichi and a seasonic, evga PSUs are a meme. The taichi is optional, but not buying a Seasonic is just asking for trouble.

Also m.2 is worth it on ryzen, get a 250gb samsung one for your OS and stuff.

>>60219784
Using the stock cooler. I was running prime95 and seems to just black screen on me with the machine still running (strange) everytime. I have to forcefully turn it off.

>>60219824
>seems to just black screen on me with the machine still running (strange) everytim
That means unstable overclock

>>60219832
I'll see if I can get to 1.25V with 3.7GHz then

if games start using more cores and threads in the future.will you give 100 bucks more just for maybe?Cpu clock speed have stayed pretty stagnant for the past years and in general cpus age pretty well.With an i5 7600 or 7600k you will have no problem for the next 5-7 years and it even might take 10 years or more until it is obsolete,unless it fails earlier which is pretty rare.you will most probably change it before that time though.don't waste your money if it is just for gaming.it is still a good investment though because you might have sudden inspiration to do other things,like video and image rendering,3d design,heavy music production and generally use programs that require cpu power.i7 are also better for multi-tasking.you should also know that most of the time when a pc starts being slower 5 years after,it is not the cpu but the hard drive and ram.I still have the i5 750 which came out in q4 of 2009.It is at 2.67Ghz.I played 2 relatively new games,Grim Dawn and Life is Strange with no problem whatsoever,I only had problems with my ram and my hdd.A friend of mine with an i5 cpu at the same Ghz,probably of the same generation played The Witcher 3 at high settings and Far Cry 4 as well.He also tried the new Resident Evil which presented some problems but I think it was ok with lowered settings.We are talking about 7 year old Cpus.More important for games is the Gpu which ages pretty fast.Save the money from the i7 and spend it to get better graphics card or SSD

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>>60219893
>With an i5 7600 or 7600k you will have no problem for the next 5-7 years and it even might take 10 years or more until it is obsolete
The 2500k is on it's last leg, getting beat by even a g4560 at times
It was the second best CPU of it's time (i7 2600k first place), a truly exceptionnal release that overclocked insanely well. Not only that, but it was also released at a time where there was zero competition from AMD.
This is why it lasted so long. Nothing getting released today will last as long, because competition is back. The i5 7600 is already obsolete as it hits 95+% usage pretty often in AAA gaming, even old shit like Witcher 3 or GTA V
don't buy

If I only want to play older/low end games say 2008 and earlier at 1080p/60 maxed quality. Can I get a solid build for $500 (not including peripherals)?

>>60219935
just get a 1600

>>60219995
>Can I get a solid build
no
we're not gonna do all the work for you

>>60216477
Same boat Anon
Bought it for a decent price and I'm really happy with it

>>60220008
I was just asking if it was possible.

>>60220026
possible but tight, would require very low end parts but possible

>>60219721
Please, that happened to my big toenail once and I just ripped the sucker off myself. Blood everywhere. Somehow grew back like it never happened.

A bottle of Raid fell from a shelf and smashed my toe.

>>60219735
Maybe do 3.75? People seem to have easier time hitting an uneven frequency.

>>60219893
Games already use 6 cores. So where is my 100 bucks, faggot?

>>60219995
Generic G4560 build.

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Please allow me to try and explain this again:

Here are the system fan connectors included with the NZXT s340. Bottom is the connector for the two smaller cables above. They are separated because I took them apart to show everyone in detail what I'm talking about. There is a molex connector to put somewhere on my motherboard I presume. Problem is, I see no place to put the molex connector to power both system fans. So that is another reason why I pulled the two connecters from the molex adapter. I figured I could plug those in where the sysfan 1 and 2 connections are on the motherboard. Problem is, the sysfan connections are 4 pin and those cables are 3.

I have no clue where to plug the case fans into. There is also nowhere on my PSU to connect the molex.

Next picture I post is going to be my MOBO

1/2

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>>60220102
>here is a molex connector to put somewhere on my motherboard I presume. Problem is, I see no place to put the molex connector
IT'S ON THE PSU ANON
POWER
SUPPLY
UNIT

>>60220082
>>>60216610
>My first build too
>Ryzen 16000x
>Rx480 8gb ( bought on black friday)
>MSI b350 tomahawk
>NH-U12S SE-AM4
>Corsair Vengeance 16gb 3200
>>60216610

>>60220102
Fuck that molex shit just connect these into your MOBO if you have enough FAN headers

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>>60220102
Now here is my motherboard:

Where the fuck am I supposed to connect the case fans? I don't see molex OR the small three pin adapters that may be used. So either way I'm stumped. I looked all over YouTube and found nothing.

>>60220129
anon are you alright

>>60220139
Nope, running on pills, vodka, and coffee and lack of sleeep

>>60220135
4 pins slots are reverse compatible with 3 pin fans (you leave left-most unconnected)
only difference is fans are controlled by voltage control instead of PWM

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>>60220102
And where might that be?

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>>60220135
ON THE FUCKING PSU
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>60220058
>>60220100
Thank you for the replies. That is what I came up with as well, guess I may as well go big even though I don't really need it.

Didn't really think I would need to spend $700-1000 to play old games and have quality/reliabe parts, but haven't built one since '05 so what the fuck do I know. I'll get a chance to dip my toes in some of these AAA titles I suppose.

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>>60220135
in red
in blue is pump fan, no idea if it would work there but possibly it could

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pNhknn
Alright /g/, my 760 is starting to piss me off, I know that there'll be vega and some nvidia shit coming soon, but I really want to upgrade this garbage asap, is there anything I can use temporary? Should I buy a 1070 or a 1080 now and not buy Vega or whatever Nvidia does?

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>Order all my parts Tuesday
>2 Day Shipping because Prime
>CPU and HDD haven't arrived because ???

>>60220192
Can confirm that non-pump fans work

>>60220195
someone stole them, sorry anon
if it can comfort you, my CPU got delivered to a sorting facility 2 days after i ordered it. The facility is about 5km from me. It then took them a whole week to deliver it to me ;_;

>>60219784
seems happy at 1.25v. bit odd it can't seem to cope with 3.8GHz

>>60220157
>>60220156
Show me.

>>60220155
Ok so leave the left pin bare? So there are three sysfan connections. Should I do sysfan 1 and sysfan 2 or does it not matter which?

>>60219644
>vcore/fmax
thanks for the decent explanation actually.


Still looking for that decent 4k monitor around 500-600$

>>60220192
Thank you, anon. This might seem so trivial to everyone but I'm finally getting into mustard race so this is my first build.

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>>60220230
voltage wall
try 1.35v, it should work

>>60220237
just search for molex cables that came with your psu man

>>60220237
You have 4 system fans, 1 cpu, and 1 pump. It's the main reason I bought that mobo.

>>60220237
>does it not matter which?
doesn't matter, it's just there so that you can control speed in bios
also, right pin bare. it wouldn't fit with left pin bare.

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Rate my budget build

Kaby Lake i5 7400
MSI H110M Gaming LGA 1151
EVGA 600W 80+ Bronze
16 GB 2x8 DDR4 2133 RAM
Zotac GTX 1060 6GB gpu

and some noctua cooler

im really glad i was able to save some money, paying my fucking car is hell

upgrading from an FX 6100 and a 2012 asrock mobo lmao

i will never again fall for AMD products

>>60220229
There has been bad weather but Amazon still says it will be delivered today.

>>60220309
>Kaby Lake i5 7400
it's shit

>i will never again fall for AMD products
then might as well leave this general if you aren't here to listen to our advices

>>60220309
>Kaby Lake i5 7400
what the fuck is your budget if you're getting a 7400

looking to upgrade CPU Mobo and ram for gaming little bit for editing found these 2 combos wondering if 60 more for a R5 worth it?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3468068

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3314158

>>60220325
How is it shit? i still haven't ordered anything from amazon

is any of the cheap Ryzen CPU's worth anything? I hear AMD is fucking shit at modern emulation and i love to emulate shit so i dont kill my old consoles

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>>60220309
>he fell for bulldozer
>now he falls for a kabylake i5
>he just can't stop fucking up

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>>60220195
>Order from Jets.com on Saturday
>HDD and SSD for 30 bucks less with spring15
>No tracking number or anything but Fedex delivered the HDD same time as the rest of my shit
>SSD has UPS and tracking number
>It's still order processing today on UPS site

Has anyone ever dealt with this bullshit?

Did your stuff ever arrive?

>>60220330
it's like 180 bucks, that's cheap as fuck and it's new gen

>>60220347
I was dying too m8

>>60220356
$180 bucks for 4 weak threads isn't cheap, bud.
It's not much better than a $60 G4560.

>>60220347
>>60220368

aight champs how about if you give me some CPU advice then

is there any sub 200 bucks Kaby lake CPU that is NOT shit looking at everyone's replies?

>>60220266
sorry can't even handle 1.25v lol crashed again..

>>60220376
Didn't read the sticky

>>60220376
Best CPU in the $150-$200 is the R5 1500X by far.
It's better than the 7600k on average, including in gaming. Just like how a locked 7700 is better than a 5GHz overclocked 7600k for gaming.

>>60220389
Did you not try 3.75GHz?
It's not having enough voltage for a given frequency that causes crashes, not the voltage itself.

>>60220344
>How is it shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
Look at CPU usage of both cpu

>I hear AMD is fucking shit at modern emulation
For FX CPUs maybe, but not Ryzen ones
https://youtu.be/oAnyFmU7bPI?t=24m10s
And RPCS3 uses 8 threads (i5 has 4, r5 1600 has twelve). I don't think there's any emulator that uses more power than that today, maybe Xenia but it's not playable enough to be anywhere relevant.

>>60220389
Either you're pretty unlucky or either it's a thermal shutdown. Editing my fan curve & making my case fan spin faster reduced these shutdowns to a minimum

>>60220192
Not that particular guy.

But for the CPU_PWR1 and PSU cable, you connect the the sort of dual split end cable side to the CPU power and the 1 solid one to the PSU right?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills even asking this fucking question but it's messing with me.

>>60220407
I got one of the later batches of ryzens so I'm not surprised.

temps seem fine thou.

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>>60220417
yes
dual split is there because budget mobo have only 4pin power connector

>>60216455
Haven't built a PC in years, but the bug is biting me again. My laptop's fan died, and getting a replacement is a PITA (ordered it but will take like 3 weeks to arrive) so I started considering going back to a desktop.

PC parts are expensive as fuck here in Chile, and I don't really need another computer (the laptop stays under 50 degrees C even without a fan, as long as I don't tax it too much), but I started looking at parts and am so tempted to try a Ryzen 5 build. It's not like I can't afford it, but I have tried to live with less shit for a while. So talk me out it, pls.

>>60220435
Both sides with the black locking tab upward right?

>>60220443
Get one of those custom laptop cases where you can build your own laptop.

>>60216455
>Currently worthwhile CPUs:
>>G4560 for budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
>>i3 are only worthwhile for dwarf fortress & single-purpose emulator boxes
>>i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to R7/i7
>>R5 1400 is not worthwhile unless discounted
>>i7-7700k is good but bad value. If over budget, an R5 is probably as good or better for you
>>R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use. R5 if on budget.

This list should be titled currently *not* worthwhile.

Currently planning on building my first ever PC. I am willing to spend maybe $1,500. I want to play vidyas, code, and maybe edit videos. From other forums I've looked on, my best start would probs be pcpartpicker. Does anyone have any good builds they recommend for a first timer, whether I should go liquid or air cooler, etc. Love you all and thanks in advance
XOXO

>>60220407
This is an actually insightful reply, thank you.

Would you mind helping me choose a cheap AM4+ motherboard? the MSI one i was getting was like 50 bucks.

>>60220443
You've come the wrong neighborhood mother fucker

>>60220443
if you're not traveling you need a good pc bro

>>60220376
it's almost like there is an entire paragraph dedicated to worthwhile CPUs at the OP of this thread.
ONLY worthwhile kabylakes are G4560 if you're on a destitute <$500 build or 7700K if you're doing high end gaymen, and if you're not doing literally anything else other than emulating i3 is kind of ok.
for literally everything else you get Ryzen5 1500X or 1600. on another note change your mobo accordingly, get a seasonic psu and higher frequency RAM. sapphire nitro+ 580 8gb is $220 so unless you can get that zotac 1060 for <$210 reconsider it

>>60220460
What are then?

>>60220473
I am moving abroad in 2 months, probably -- that's one of the reasons I have been trying not to hoard shit.

>>60220467
There was an Asrock AM4 that I considered. It was like $75-90 I do t remember what it was called.

>>60220499
I have no idea, but the list talks more about what you shouldn't buy than what you should

you fuckers are convincing me not to get the i7 7700k and make me want to get the 1700 now

convince me why this is a bad or good idea. ughgughughug

>>60220536
gayby lake has vp9 hardware decoding
I watch 4k60 youtube with 0 cpu/gpu usage

>>60220467
There aren't much budget mobos because the budget chipset hasn't be released yet.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/crs8TW/asrock-ab350m-hdv-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-hdv
This one is the cheapest ($70) on pcpartpicker, but it has very shit oc'ing abilities and it'd be pretty stupid not to take advantage of the fact that all ryzen cpus are unlocked & the fact that you intended to get a cooler in the first place

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350M-GAMING-PRO.html#productFeature-section
This one is $78 but is still pretty meh, better o'cing abilities but still not really good and only two ram slots. Still a pretty decent mobo, but

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XmjWGX/asus-prime-b350m-acsm-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350m-acsm
This one, which i use for my r7 1700, is $86 and is pretty great for a b350. Better oc'ing than both one i previously posted, 4 ram slots, SIX (6) sata ports, and 4 USB 3.0 at the back

>>60220536
If you want to be mlg pro elite gaymer you get the i7. If you intend on actual content creating get R7

>>60220536
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gamers-report-core-i7-7700-temperature-spikes.html
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/
read both, for the laugh

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tdVwnn

Building my first pc so tell me what you think about this build /pcbg/. It'll primarily be for gaming and I want to learn linux on it.
Also fuck leaf currency.

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>>60220536
Uhh depends what you do.
If you do anything OTHER THAN gaming, the 1700, potentially overclocked, is just plain better. It'll handle more browser tabs, more applications running in the background, it uses less power and is cooler, even highly threaded games with a 1080Ti can't utilize all its CPU like how they can max out a 7700k.
On stock clocks, it's going to be considerably worse in most game. But overclocked to like 3.7-4.0 it'll do 250fps in Overwatch and other stuff that is highly single threaded fine. Even in Civ, it does great.

But I didn't get the 1700, and this is why:
AMD is doing significant architecture updates each year. The 2700 will be significantly better. Then 3700 should be on 7nm and a different process which'll clock at least 10% higher (so 4.4-4.5GHz or more instead)
I got a 1600X since I plan to upgrade to probably the 3800X or 4800X, or whatever they end up being called. The 1600X is already a massive upgrade from my 2500k and more than I really need.
The 7700k, at least delidded, is an okay CPU but just not worth the money, not worth voiding your warranty, and it's on a dead socket.

>>60220511
The Pro 4. It's good for its price. The B350M and Gaming 3 and PRIME are better but they cost more.

>>60220591
Wouldn't a 1600 OCed or even a 1600x be just fine for gaming too?

>>60220635
Roflmao

>>60217078
>they are done with
Present
>by 2018
Future
Consistency is important, anon. School can help with that.
>7nm
......what is quantum tunnelling?

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>>60220693
Yes but not every single person wants to bother with OCing. Or they want the greater chance for better silicon.

>>60220635
HOUSEFIRE BY DESIGN, GOYIM.

>>60220716
AMD is going to be 2-3 years ahead of Intel with 7nm.

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Suggest me a minimalist ATX case (Mid or smaller) with 2 fans for 50 bucks /g/.

I bet you can't.

>>60220737
spend 15-20$ more and get a phanteks p400

>>60220693
I got got the 1600x cause I already had 2 extra Heatsinks. I can play most games maxed out running over over 100hz while watching netflix or youtube videos at the same time

>>60220750
Tempered glass edition or go home

can someone recommend me a cpu cooler for under $50? going for a 1600/1600X build to be running 24 hours a day

>>60220750
I like what I see but it's a bit over my budget. 50$ is really the maximum.

Any other cheaper suggestions in the lines of that Phanteks?

>>60220770
wish i got that instead of the normal.

>>60220737
I was going to suggest one, but I hate those "bet u can't" baits.
And the cute Rin picture doesn't make up for it.

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>>60220886
I can pay you with other Rin pics if don't mind parting with your valuable recommendations.

>>60220897
Nope. erp only.
or maybe if you beg.

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>>60220909
You don't mind that kind of erp, do you?

p-p-p-please!?

>>60220827
It was on sale when I bought it. I got the satin black silent edition along with the tempered glass

>>60220909
>>60220929
anon pls not here

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Dtnqk
This is for video gaming at 1080p 60hz. if i want to overclock should i buy an aftermarket cooler? Also is the wattage for my psu good enough for overclocking?

While the 1700 costs about the same as the 7700k, it falls behind just slightly in streaming+gaming and is clearly behind in gaming alone. But there are some games where the 1700 actually does slightly better. In gaming alone clock speed does matter and Intel eeks out a small lead. It's not much, but that's what the benchmarks show. And similarly in applications where multithreading isn't used or optimized, the 7700k will be faster. The 1700X changes the story, and while a few bucks more will outperform the 7700k.

The question is whether you will even notice, since the GPU is doing most of the heavy lifting when you're not encoding/streaming. And at 1440p you're even more dependent on the GPU, so keep that in mind.

>>60220938
That fucker has valuable PC case intel that he doesn't want to share!

>>60220929
>>60220956
You'll have to give Discord and hope you pick the right person out of all the charlatan's who'll also message you~

>>60220942
The included cooler is pretty good. Check how high you can overclock with it and depending on the result then evaluate if you want to spend extra on a cooler or not.

Careful with that RAM. Check this table for Samsung B-Die RAM. I think yours isn't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

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should I get the 1500X and a RX 580 8GB or a 1600 and a RX 580 4GB/RX 570 4GB?

Basically either my GPU will be more expensive than my CPU and my CPU will have 4 cores or I can get a six core CPU and my GPU will be more or less the same price as my CPU.

Which is smarter/better value to get?

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Tell me what you think boys.
I have little to no idea what I'm doing

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wqcb6X

>>60220954
wat? the 1700 is better at streaming+gaming. The encoding quality on the CPU is far better than using the shitty hardware encoder on the 7700k.

>>60220942
Build is pretty solid, but overkill for 1080p 60hz.
Why not get an RX570 4GB, drop the HDD, and use that money to buy a 75Hz freesync monitor?
Stock cooler is fine for like 3.7-3.85GHz usually.

>>60220998
Depends if 1080p or 1440p.
1500X+RX580 8GB is good for 1440p.

>>60220998
1600 is better value
The worst you'd be facing with a 580 4GB would be having to turn down texture settings from ultra to high, which looks exactly the same nowadays
CPU bottleneck is the worst thing in a build to have, so go get that 6 core
Also, cute picture

>>60221015
Getting 1080p 75hz but I want the GPU to last and I heard spending more on your GPU is better for the long term.
>>60221027
Thanks ^__^. My only worry is about the less amount of VRAM but I hear that is more or less ok nowadays in terms of future proofing.

>>60221000
If you wait for sales, the MG279Q pretty regularly goes on sale for $400. It's a much nicer IPS panel.
And you could get a cheaper SSD that's 97% as good like the MX300 or Su800.
Otherwise, build is solid.
Make sure you're getting the cooler that comes with AM4 included, though. It has -AM4 after the model name unless that changed.

>>60221044
8GB isn't going to last much longer for 1080p, man. Just turn 4K textures off and you're fine.

>>60221015
rx 570 pricing in USA is a bit dumb at the moment. The cheapest I can see it is $180 (175+ $5 shipping). It seems reasonable at that point to jump up the cheapest rx 580 at only $20 more for $199.99.

>>60221000
That's pretty good for a starting build. Where's the GPU though?
Also, your case will be quite big for your motherboard. But it's nothing bad.

>>60221064
I feel like the RX570 Red Devil would probably outperform that cheapest RX580. The cheapest one is a Gigabyte, yeah? Yeah.
The extra CUs just don't help a lot for 1080p in the vast majority of games.

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>>60217126
>For pure gaming and unlimited budget, a 7700k does make more sense.
>unlimited budget
I'd get all top end Ryzen compatible components, a R7-1800X, a crazy water cooling system (and put the radiators in the deep freezer); and overclock the ever living shit out of the CPU / RAM / GPU until I got them all to their highest stable points.
Then I'd take a bunch of Intel benchmarks AND SMASH THEM WITH A HAMMER!

>>60221083
if you include the shipping, the $570 would only be $7 cheaper than the MSI armor one. You can probably overlock them about the same. I'd rather have the 580 just to make sure it hits a certain performance threshold rather than hoping clock speed outweighs CU's.

>>60221116
The MSI armor 580 is almost surely louder and hotter than the Red Devil 570.
What you think only holds true if the CUs are disabled on dies that are uniformly not clocking well, rather than there simply being a few defective cores and the remaining ones otherwise being as good or better than on a low end RX580.
It's hard to say without seeing benchmarks comparing those two specific cards, and OC tests on a few samples.

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>>60219639
>>60219663
And one super lucky bastard got the Holy Grail of 1st gen Ryzens.

I'd like to know if he had LN2 cooling though.

>>60221259
>>60221259
>>60221259
move when needfed

>>60221263
>needfed
needed
why do i mess this up every time

>>60221060
Should I still keep the 1500X then or just get the 1600?

This general has been on an AMD trip lately. They've made it seem like ryzen is only one or two percent behind intel in gaming, and over 200% better in everything else, and 6 months from now all games will be ryzen optimized and run 200% better in gaming than intel as well.

Now while that's plausible it's unlikely. It's more or less the same story as bulldozer/FX. Back then everyone was on this huge "8 cores is the future! In 1 year it'll beat all intel in gaming because games will start using all 8 cores!" etc etc..

Basically it's possible ryzen will pull massively ahead in gaming, but it's extremely unlikely. The current get of consoles have been 8 cores and have been out for nearly 3 years now iirc, and games still rarely use more than 2-4 cores. Some games (like BF1) do use the CPU very well, and ryzen has a very slight lead over the 7700k in BF1, but imo that's about the extent of what we'll ever see. In well optimized games ryzen might do 20% better, but for the majority of the games the 7700k will still have a lead.

It's all speculation, but there is some precedent.

Ryzen is the choice right now if you want to do anything workbench and such related (rendering, editing, encryption, etc), but intel is still the better gaming choice, which is what most people here care about.

And it's worth noting that it's not like the 7700k suddenly became a bad CPU like people make it out. It's still extremely good at all of those things, so it's not like if you buy it suddenly you won't be able to render or stream shit.

TL;DR; Because of the hype lately, it's been made out like the 7700k isn't worth getting anymore, and ryzen will "mature" and get exponentially better. For right now, this isn't true and the 7700k is still very very powerful, even if some people would have you believe otherwise.

>>60221348
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qnmrCy

pls r8 mai build

>>60220929
>>60220956
Come back and (you) me more. Where'd you go~?

>>60216455
Dumb question, perhaps, but am moving to a different country soon. Do PSUs work everywhere?

>>60221400
It's okay if you have GSync already.

Poor Artist here on a toaster here.

My classes have just finally ended, I've just started a simple grocery store job and I want to build a good enough PC to run my art programs (like Photoshop, Blender and Maya). I'd also like to use the PC for some gaming as well, games like Dark Souls 3 and Overwatch. Nothing crazy, I dont need 120 FPS or 4k, since I've only got a regular 1080p 60hz monitor anyway. I want to try and keep the cost down because I intend to buy a new drawing tablet to replace my broken one too this summer.

List:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qj8rCy

Now you might notice that, that isn't "complete". My friend had some extra parts and decided to give them to me before he moved. The less I have to spend the better right? Anyway these are the exact parts I already have:

-Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case
-Ballistix Tactical Tracer 16GB ram
-WD 750 GB storage (yes I know that's small, I'll buy an SSD after it's built)
-ASUS DVD optical Drive

Any feedback would be appreciated.
(Budget is $5-600 I guess)

>>60221541
Seasonic 520w M12II should be on sale for $30 right now.

You could get a 1600 and RX570 at under $600 assuming that RAM is DDR4.

>>60221081
Waiting ™©® for Vega, as to the motherboard situation I'm having trouble finding something compatible with what I've got so far. I am still kinda torn between between the MSI B350M and AB350M Pro4

>>60221060
Extra large thank you, noted and thank you.

>>60221589
apparently the RAM I have is DDR3.

And what's the difference between the EVGA 500w and the one you listed besides the 20w?

>>60221411
>>60220985
No case intel, no (you)s