How do you store things?

(((THE CLOUD)))

>How long does a hard drive last when you just put everything on it and keep it in a safe place?
Longer than you'll care about.
Optical storage will generally rot.
In a few years you've bought a new drive.

Portable HD master race, but I don't have an alternative option when my drive dies.

>>60215395
no one really knows

>>60215395

>HDD (both external and internal)
In the best climate conditions and without using them too often, they can last quite a long time. It's the moving parts inside that can fail overtime. Dropping them can be potentially catastrophic. You definitely want to be gentle with these and do research on finding the brands with high-quality parts that will last.

>SSD (both external and internal)
Won't have to be as concerned with climate conditions as much with these. Downsides to these are that they give out also if you use them a lot and they're pretty damn expensive still. I'd assume these last longer than HDD if you kept the usage to a minimum.

>CD-ROMs
terrible for backing up data. they rot and even if you keep them in the ideal climate, they will go faulty/corrupt much earlier than say a HDD or SSD

>Cloud-based
depends on the host and if you're willing to potentially give up things such as privacy. Keep in mind that sites go down, servers can crash, and websites/services and shut-down permanently. If you have capped data, the cloud may not be a recommended method for anything massive in file size.

To summarize, you will not find a storage option that will work forever. all options have a lifecycle pretty much. Surely the more we improve tech, the longer the lifecycles of these storage devices will become.

>>60216456
>Downsides to these are that they give out also if you use them a lot and they're pretty damn expensive still
OLD MEME
Modern ssds last over 2 PETABYTES
Thats right 2,000,000,000,000,000 bytes.You can write 10gb a day every day for 10 years and still not come close to the limit.

>>60216539
can't wait for some jerk off later on on future jewtube or equivalent

kill an "ancient" sdd that could only take 2 petabytes in a few minutes

Always keep in mind that HDDs are working through magnetising discs, and this magnetised state wont last forever.
Same goes for SSDs and other flash based storage - they work through electrical charge, which also wont last forever.
I dont know how long actually, but I would say something about 4-5 years until you're getting problems.


If you dont need to backup terabytes, maybe take a look at M-Discs.
They pretty expensive compared to normal DVDs/Blurays, but they should survive you if you treat them well.

>>60215798
>the cloud
suddenly, internet goes down

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>>60216456
>terrible for backing up data. they rot and even if you keep them in the ideal climate, they will go faulty/corrupt much earlier than say a HDD or SSD

CD-RW are iffy, but CD-Rs from a decent brand will survive longer than you will with it's data intact. An unpowered HDD has a fraction of the lifespan.

I have thousands of these fuckers and have never seen one go bad.

If they fail, they fail during the burn and they become coasters. A lot of people who bitch about "expired discs" actually fucked them up burning too fast and simply never tested them after their burn. Their discs didn't decay, they were bad from day 1 and never tested.

Years ago the topic of digital archives was hot and both libraries and government agencies examined optical media for long term storage. NIST and the library of congress had one of the better studies and they came up with a minimum of 30 years for CD-Rs, but when stored properly the manufacturer claims of 100 years are not unreasonable.

>Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that, under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25 years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100 years for these discs.

>Few, if any, life expectancy reports for these discs have been published by independent laboratories. An accelerated aging study at NIST estimated the life expectancy of one type of DVD-R for authoring disc to be 30 years if stored at 25°C (77°F) and 50% relative humidity.

Disc rot is rare as fuck, outside of that big batch of Philips CDs that brought "disc bronzing" into the mainstream discussion. It is more often related to manufacturing errors or mishandling.

>>60215395
Redundant tape backups in multiple cool dark locations

>>60215395
For me backing up my whole server to recordable media (Blu-ray/DVD/etc) would be a time consuming and expensive nightmare. I've got like 8TB and growing. It'd take like 400 50gb blu-rays to back it all up. Currently I backup to another drive. A 8TB nas and a 3tb external. Core files I have a 2nd copy stored on several 2TB drives. Those 2TB drives are kept in anti static bags inside a sealed box in a closet. Once the cost of 10TB drives go down I plan to get one and store all sever data on it as a 2nd copy.

>>60216539
>only writing 10GB a day

What's it like to watch movies / TV shows at 720p or less?

so

ITT: No actual viable way to store data just drive switching every 4 or so years

>>60219515
good post

but now im curious why CD-RW die faster

would it be close to CD-R if it was written on once then never again hmm

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>>60220224
That is a CD-R retard

Also consider M-discs

only have 4 drives for a NAS
raid 5 or raid 6?

>>60220534
har har har

>>60220559
Probably raid5, as long as you have separate backups or don't care. At 4 disks it has 3 disks worth of capacity as compared to 2 for raid6 or raid10.

>>60215395
There is no 100 % safety.

I currently use a 4 TB drive to store my movies and documentaries, but it will be full soon. I'll need a NAS and a 8 TB drive.

Other, smaller and more personal data is stored on a 1.5 TB external drive. I can take it with me and remove it so my computer could be safe to use for others. Its also good to have my music on the external drive, I can access it on both my PCs until I have a NAS.

>>60220874
I also saved my most valuable files on my old PCs harddrive just in the case all my other drives fail. Music and some of my images / installers are also uploaded on my webspace, but I can't do that often, 60 GB music takes me four days to upload and its growing.

I'm pretty tech retarded
I've almost had my PC I built for two years, should I invest in some new HDD's/SDD?
Right now I have a single 1TB HDD and an SSD with 232 GB

I don't wanna end up losing everything some time down the line

>>60215798
The Cloud is nothing but someone else's computer

>>60220904
If you hoard data (especially 4K and 1080p videos) you should invest in a 4 or 8 TB drive. Otherwise 1-2 TB drives are pretty cheap now.

>>60220904
Do you personally need more space?
regardless, back it up with an external.

For true long term storage? A stone tablet or maybe a tape drive.

>>60220904
SSD+HDD setup is fine.
>I don't wanna end up losing everything some time down the line
Not having backups is a mistake.

I never hoarded data.

The only thing I have is a 500gb external hdd with some videos, isos and vidya

Years ago I thought Google Photos would solve this, but now I have thousand of somewhat relevant pictures of my past between tens of thousands of pictures of random shit

How do I break this habit?

tape drives are the best solution available

>>60220944
I mainly just hoard Shows/documentaries/games that I DL as I know I end up downloading them again some time in the future
Is there any 4TB HDD's you'd recommend?

>>60220953
>>60220979
Yeah, i've always meant to get a backup at least i've just never gotten around to it
And this question will probably sound idiotic but if I was just to use a huge HDD as a backup, would I be better transferring everything then disconnected and keep it that way until I need it?

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>>60220224
I've learned the hard way about RW disks.
Part of it is the laser has to be cranked up more to burn onto it. Granted, less rewritings will preserve them longer, but they still require more power to burn and then read.
What's not mentioned much is this will also cause the burner/reader to die out as well.

My experience has been with CD and DVD rw's. Not much experience with blue ray RW, but... my guess is it's along the same lines.

>>60215395
Tape is the best. But you have to store it correctly.

But you have to save it in some format that you will still be able to decode after a long time.

>>60221019
>transferring everything then disconnected and keep it that way until I need it?
Yes. Except do it every once in a while, not just once. I would also recommended backing up the few most important files on a separate flash drive also. Like password database, tax info, whatever.

>>60215395
stop being anxious about the things you have, you're not taking anything with you.

>>60221196
Ah, you mean back it up again every once in a while?
Thanks for the help by the way, appreciate it, trying to familiarise myself with everything at once has been a bit daunting for me, I hate being shit with my PC since I spend so much time on it

>>60221264
mna I just want a collection thats not a pain to maintain

I DONT HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH BOOKS

Long as you unplug/power off the NAS/External backup drive when your not using it the drives inside should last a long time and you don't gotta worry about power spikes/outages causing data to get fucked up. Combined with a good backup program you can pretty much make doing backups a easy to do thing. For ex the backup program I use I keep 2 predefined templates saved. One is for Full backup, the other is for Incremental. When time comes to run a backup I just select the template I want and let the program do the rest. While it works I go about my day.

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>>60215798
>>60220931

>>60219515
>An unpowered HDD has a fraction of the lifespan
What? You must have meant SSD rather than HDD. HDDs don't need to refresh what has been written (which requires power), SSDs do.

>>60219629
But 400 50-GB discs is 20TB.

>>60220534
No it's not. The implementation of CD-R and CD-RW discs is quite different.

>>60220874
Are 1.5 TB drives considered "small" these days? What about 500 GB drives - does it make sense to bother with them, or should all data be migrated over to drives at least a terabyte in size?

>>60222051
1.5 TB is still pretty big for a 2.5" drive.

You don't need 1 TB if you don't have that much data. I currently only use 500 GB of my 1.5 TB and 300 GB of these are 4K gameplays. Its better to have space left. I often use it as a temporary storage when I unzip movies and other large files.

500 GB drives are fine for smaller amounts of data, you can also take 128 or 256 GB USB sticks for images and music. Don't forget, its 2017.

>>60221073
So I understand you'd recommend to avoid using RW media at all if possible.

>>60222051
These days 1tb+ has better cost/capacity so don't bother with other stuff. It may still make sense to buy 500-1000gb laptop drives as larger ones are more expensive.

>>60222082
>1.5 TB is still pretty big for a 2.5" drive.

Yeap, it's pretty strange that they somehow basically stopped getting larger years ago. in 2008 there were the first 500 GB 2.5'' drives available, and over 9 years they have only grown to 2 TB which are quite expensive and won't fit in most laptops as they are 15mm thick. Why?

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Put all your data in an encrypted archive file and upload it to the Internet Archive. Free, unlimited file storage.

>>60222177
Actually good idea desu. What is max size? Does their ToS prohibit this?

>>60222222
Nice, never rolled hex before.

>>60222222
k y s

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>>60222222
SHIT

>>60222250
Is a "kys" taunt the new way to honour a get of such caliber?

>>60219515
>CD-Rs from a decent brand will survive longer than you will with it's data intact.

fucking original discs can fail, let alone CDRs.
The material that optical discs are made of is not stable. For originals, small imperfections in the printing process can form bubbles that oxidize the data and slowly eat it up. CDRs are worse, they just have a chemical dye on them that is inherently unstable.

I've also burned 1000+ discs easy, and a lot of them are not readable by now. Seemingly random shit like the case you store them in, can introduce some element that eats up the dye on burnt discs. My hard drives are way more reliable; at least they can tell you if they have a problem, CDs just go plonk and one day you find that your backups are dead. I've a stack of dead drives ranging back to 1gb scsi drives to 2tb Samsung F4s, and I still lost more data to optical backups than hard drives.

By the way I remember those TDK discs with the buzzsaw marks in the middle, they were great, once of the better brands. I started using them when they were only up to like 16x when I first started using them (the buzzsaw mark came later).

>>60222177
If you were an archive.org admin and encountered a huge file which is either random data or encrypted, wouldn't you just delete it? The Internet Archive is supposed to preserve data which could be of interest to anyone, and not to be anyone's free personal file locker.

>>60222222
SEXTUPLES

>>60222222
>max size
From FAQ:
+Is there a limit to what I can upload?
At this time there is no limit. Due to system architecture we recommend that item pages not exceed either 1000 files or 50GB.

+Do you backup my files?
Yes. We duplicate/backup all files at various locations.

+How long will you store it?
As an archive our intention is to store and make materials in perpetuity.

https://archive.org/about/faqs.php

Couldn't find anything in the TOS against using their service for the reasons above. They seem like chaotic-good guys.

>>60219689
a well-encoded (not uncompressed 50GB raw bluray rip autism) 2 hour 1080p movie is only 2GB maximum. do you watch more than 5 movies per day?

>>60222371
You don't think that bluray is uncompressed, do you? An entirely uncompressed movie in HD would be anywhere from hundreds of gigabytes up to a terabyte in size.

>>60219515
>An accelerated aging study at NIST estimated the life expectancy of one type of DVD-R for authoring disc to be 30 years if stored at 25°C (77°F) and 50% relative humidity.

Horse shit.
Back in the 00s me and a friend were pirating every goddamn thing we could find, and burnt thousands of discs on multiple different drives and different brand discs - gone through everything, Pioneer, LG, Plextor, NEC, and all kinds of media, from no-names, ritek/ridisc, TDK, Maxell, JVC, old verbatims, to high end taiyo yuden and azo+ layer recent verbatims.

In a period of 2-3 years, at least one have failed from practically every combination. I think the only one still working is the JVC, but I only ever burned one of those (the disc came with my old Pioneer burner). I had a full briefcase full of backups that randomly started going dead, fine one day, dead 2 months later, and more and more of them acting like that. They were all stored in a dry, cool place, but the discs my friend has were getting busted too and he had them in his room which is hot as hell. It made no difference both of us had many dead discs.

And if you back up say 1tb of data, you have to verify 200+ DVDs at any time to see if everything is fine. DVDRs are the worst form of backups you can do.

There is some new brand that uses inorganic dye, M-Disc. I haven't used those yet, I heard good stuff about them, but it's honestly not worth grabbing them now because it is cheaper to store large amounts of data on hard drives or even the cloud.

>>60219629
If you are backing up terabytes worth of data, you should use tape. I don't recall the actual numbers but you can do something like 10tb on just one of them.

>>60222399
good thing we have the technology to compress it down to 2GB without any noticeable difference in quality.

>>60222399
Yup. 24 bits per pixel times 1920 pixels per line times 1080 lines per frame times 24 frames per second times 60 seconds per minute times 90 minutes for an average movie is already 834 GB - and that's just "regular" HD in 24 fps, without any audio. For 30fps 4k it would go up in size exactly five times for a total of about 4 TB - just the video.

Many people also believed that DVD was "uncompressed" back in the day, (not realizing it was MPEG-2-compressed), possibly assuming a parallel to BMP images or WAV audio files which are actually uncompressed. People just don't realize how insanely large uncompressed video really is.

how does archive.org afford to do what they do? endless government funding? I hope they never get defunded by retarded politicians or shutdown by copyright kikes. please don't abuse their servers for storing your 20TB encrypted porn collection.

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>1.5tb raw storage space
>upwards of 2tb when using compression
>400 megabytes per second transfer rate
Say what you will, but these things are the objectively superior backup media.

>>60222436
Yes. The technology is both extrememely efficient algorithms which have been maturing over the past few decades, as well as hardware which is powerful enough to decode such streams in real-time. Formats intended for stand-alone players (such as DVD or Bluray) are always less efficient (thus the larger media size) as the hardware in a standalone player is always much less powerful than a contemporary PC.

>>60222315
Yes. It implies jealousy, which is an appropriate reaction to such beautiful digits.

>>60222593
i never understood why "compressed storage" is something that is advertised
it´s not like they are offering some kind of revolutionary compression that only works with tape drives

>>60222668
It's the same reason storage is advertised with units of 1000 instead of 1024. People see the larger number and automatically think of it as the true capacity.

>>60222632
>jealousy is an appropriate reaction to good/beautiful things

That'd explain a lot why the world is such a cancerous place.

>>60222703
Yes. If you create something "good" or beautiful, you can be certain of precisely one thing - that there will be those who'll desire to steal or destroy it.

>>60222728
Yes. Negative drives and emotions always prevail and dominate in nature, because they are self-replicating - you can survive being peaceful only if others are too, but if anyone threatens you, you must abandon your peacefulness behind and counter his threat with one of your own. Evil, agression, and chaos are always contagious and come effortless or even naturally, while good, peace, and order always require much effort to create, and too often must betray themselves in an effort to sustain themselves faced with adversaries. It's a doggy dog world out there.

>>60216539
SSDs need to be used in order to retain electrical charge. They lose data after 1 year don't they?

>>60221279
My dad owns his own business and makes weekly backups of quickbooks on 3 separate USB flash drives that he stores at the bank in a safe deposit box. The rest of his computer gets monthly backups using an external HDD that he keeps at his house just in case he has a catastrophic drive failure.

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>>60222959
Yes. This table estimates SSD data retention in weeks based on the temperature it was used at and stored at.

>>60223010
Is this for SLC, TLC, or MLC? That makes a difference, doesn't it?

>>60222082
My laptop only has a 128GB SSD so I bought a 128GB SD card to use for extra storage and transferring files to and from my desktop which has 4TB of HDD space. It's an okay solution but even the Sandisk Extreme Pro class 10 SD card is fairly slow when writing 10+ GB at once to it.

>>60222222
check'd

>>60223027
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention
Didn't notice this is for drives that have been written to more than rated for. So for a typical consumer it would probably last several years.

>>60223010
So they should be used in a hot environment, and stored in a cold one? Kinda counterintuitive, isn't it.

>>60215395
>How long does a hard drive last when you just put everything on it and keep it in a safe place?

Unless it has had a drop or impact it will last 30 years, easily. Computers that old routinely power up and all the data from the 80s is there. It's actually an uncommon scenario for it not to be.

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>>60222222
wasted

>>60223104
The drive should heat up as you use it since the chips themselves generate heat along with the rest of the components in a computer. It has to do with conductivity changes at different temperatures.

About to buy
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TKFEE5S/ref=twister_B00TS6JL4S?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

Any other recommendations?

>>60223165
Pretty good deal for a 2.5/portable.

>>60222474
https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#1108
+What are your fees?
At this time we have no fees for uploading and preserving materials. We estimate that permanent storage costs us approximately $2.00US per gigabyte. While there are no fees we always appreciate donations to offset these costs.

>$2 per GB

>20TB encrypted porn collection
That hypothetical 20TB porn collection would cost them $40,000?

>>60223165
>>60223204
Another option is a 2.5 7mm internal and a $10 usb3 enclosure.

>>60216539
>Modern ssds last over 2 PETABYTES

Write them. It's only for pro/enterprise SSDs

>>60223216
I wonder how many years those cost estimations are for. 20TB for 100 years might cost $40k. Still seems pretty high though.

Maybe that's just a sneaky way to ask for $2 worth of donations for every GB you upload there.

>>60215395
3 thousand dollar tape drive and 120 dollar tape cartridges.

>>60220188
Yeah, this is pretty much the conclusion you should draw from this thread.

Unless you're a business that wants to buy enterprise grade tape drives.

>>60223335
LTO-7?

>>60223243
These declarations sure are pulled outta the ass just as MTBF figures for HDDs. Just because a manufacturer declares "hurr this drive has a MTBF of umpteen gorillon hours" doesn't mean that the drive is very likely (let alone sure) to actually last that long.

really needs to better choices for this kind of thing

>>60223349
What should be the incentive to switch a HDD, given that it gives no problems, SMART looks ok, and so do performance tests? A drive which has been working well for a few years and shows no problems isn't likely to fail in the near future either, while a brand-new drive is a lottery.

>>60223443
U wot? What's with all the broken English posts lately? Has 4chins been invaded by pajeets?

man I'd really like physical media

I'd love to write series to dvds or cd-r

I'm getting such a variety of numbers though..

cds in number are cheap at least


post dvd-r, cd-r links

>>60223453
There really needs to be better choices for this kind of thing.

>>60223498
>dvd-r, cd-r

TDK or Verbatim? Or some other brand? Which are "/g/-approved"?

>>60223126
Muh electron tunneling

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>>60222222
>hex gets
>using (((da cloud)))

>>60223689
I'm curious myself

100x4.7gb for 25
wonder if I can fit entire season of girl cartoons on there at good quality

>>60215395
8tb freenas box (mirrored). In the process of building another one

>>60222086
Not him, but where sensible, not rewriting things definitely does improve the lifespan. Just makes sense.

>>60223498
You need to go back to plebbit.

>>60215395
I crave grooves on my wall

>>60221471
I'm the exact opposite. Have almost nothing on hardware but instead a pile of books I "intend" to read.

>>60222422
>Tape
Explain?

>>60222823
Easier to destroy than it is to build, eh.

>>60224452
chaos is inherent in the universe.
we live in an high entropy system.

conclusively stating - big crunch is coming.

In my experience most reliable storage are spinning hard drives.

Well cooled server with high quality OEM powersupply and drives will last forever at least they did for me.

>>60222823
lol peace is a neutral

you would need the positive of actively spreading good to have the same viral spread like negativity

>>60224221
How to get into actually reading them?

>start reading one
>"nah, can't read that now, gotta do something else first, will return to it later"
>yea right

>>60222222

checked & witnessed

>>60224611
you have to be bored just enough, without internet or even TV, that you feel forced to pick up a book.
thankfully it is easier to get engrossed in a good book once you have gone through a few pages.
keyword - GOOD

I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to this sort of stuff but am a bit paranoid about losing all my stuff.

Would getting two WD Red 4TB drives and putting one in my desktop and the other in a NAS be a viable idea? Or put both in the NAS? Both would have the same stuff on and one would be the back up of the back up.

>>60215395
> How long does a hard drive last when you just put everything on it and keep it in a safe place?
Usually years, but some bits at least tend to fail over time.

Supplement with parity files (par2 with a decent level of redundancy or whatever) to take some easy basic precautions against that.

> what about cds? When will they rot when kept secure?
Uh, very hard to tell. But many actually degrade in some way. Some company "claims" their m-disc can last 1000 years, I don't know for fuck if that's a good claim ... but the other problem is that cd-discs have fallen in disuse already.

Maybe if you actually grab the discs in 20-30 years, you have problem using a optical CD drive with your then PC or smart shirt or whatever we're using.


The thing to do is to keep data alive online on a NAS or such with HDD and port it forward. Same as most companies do on a larger scale with clouds (okay, they may also have tape drives with tape robots, but that's unacceptably expensive for you to maintain - even just tape drives might be).

>>60225952
Yea, a NAS (ideally with RAID or something for more secured uptime) to be able to do automatic data copies with backup or synchronization software. 'cause manual backups suck and never get done reliably with most humans.

And then a backup of the NAS that you don't have connected and ideally physically somewhere else (if your house floods or gets robbed or whatever).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/433/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-inch-External-Hard-Drive/B00UNA1O0W/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_lp_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S05S9CA0T776D43HA54Q

Is this worth it for the price?

>>60226175
Don't know britbong pricing, but simple single drive HDD cases generally are worth ~$20over the price of a drive, tops.

If you want to do backups to it you're better off using a NAS so you can automatically have them happen without needing to plug in a drive or (anything else that will have gone wrong the month before you need your backup - like you copying a already damaged set of data over your backup because you're doing it manually).

>>60224396
LTO-6 is like $25 for a 2.5 TB cartridge and LTO-7 is $100ish for 6 terabytes, though the drives essentially always run compression to get up to 6.25 TB and 15 TB respectively, and they're good for a couple decades of cold storage. The downside is that they're extremely unsuited for any kind of random access, the surprisingly high performance of modern tape drives can cause issues if your data source isn't fast enough and most notably the drives are silly expensive, a barebones internal LTO-7 drive runs you way north of $2000.

>>60216456
>terrible for backing up data. they rot and even if you keep them in the ideal climate, they will go faulty/corrupt much earlier than say a HDD or SSD
Do regular audio CDs have the same problem? I still have some Christmas CDs from the 80s and they still work fine. Or is it the nature of the data, music, that makes error correction work better?

>>60226244
I've been looking into setting up a NAS, still quite new to all this stuff, but for that i'd need to buy an HDD without a shell, buy a NAS enclosure obviously, then connect it to my router right? then I can just transmit my files to it?

>>60226475
In a nutshell, yes. They're really quite easy to set up.

>>60226348
Different anon here.

Burned CDs are very much more at risk than industrially "pressed" disks.

Plus with audio CDs, you might have damaged bits, but not all of them make a very annoying noticeable noise - same as not every scratch was terrible. It depends on where and how large the damage is.

Anyhow, I strongly recommend against using regular burned CD as backup or even safe data storage. Could be a tertiary copy, fuck using these for anything else.

>>60226484
Right, thanks, I'll look into maybe getting one, just got a budget to work with right now, could probably get the combo around Christmas
Also how would I go about backing them up if I were to go that route?

>>60226475
Sure, that's one way, and one of the best for functionality vs. effort. Typical "full" NAS boxes like the ones by Synology Qnap etc. can also act as print servers, 24/7 torrent leech boxes, DLNA media servers, and a *lot* more if you want them to. All easily configurable in some typically fairly Android - like UI with apps.

Various routers / WLAN AP with an integrated USB or SATA port also have some NAS functionality if you connect a HDD to them.

Yet another way is to run a Linux / BSD or even Android on a machine you built, both standard and dedicated distributions can make for a very decent NAS.

>>60226529
>Also how would I go about backing them up if I were to go that route?
You can do that almost any way you please.

Most NAS boxes have a software for dummies that isn't usually bad - a good starting point if you don't know how to start.

But you can also mount the network share as a network drive (Windows) / into a mount point with NFS or Samba or whatever (Linux) and use ANY program that will regularly copy files.

Or you can use a more flexible solution that can scale a bit to many machines and also synchronization. not just source->destination backups like Syncthing (<- pretty cool and not too complex - worth looking into) / BT Sync / Owncloud etc.

And a lot more. These things support a shitload of protocols to get data on / off and can usually even run software that supports more.

Hence you can choose from a gazillion pieces of software to do the data transfers on the other end, eh.

Can you use an NAS to manually transfer stuff to it as and when you need to? So leave it off when you don't need it and turn it on when you need to put stuff on it?

>>60222668
>i never understood why "compressed storage" is something that is advertised
In several cases, compressing before storing and decompressing after reading is faster than storing the raw data, so it's not only denser but faster too. FreeNAS uses such an arrangement by default.

But yeah, unless you're doubling the capacity, it's just a pretty garnish and not the main dish.

>>60226475
https://doc.freenas.org/9.3/freenas_install.html
Have fun
Your whale cum

>>60226736
You can just manually turn it on and off. If you want to turn it on and off remotely, you'll have to wait for it to boot up before actually getting access. If you still want to try, you could have the following:
>nas has, for example, ftp on port 22
>raspi + nas share vrrp, with the nas as master
>nas has wol enabled
>raspi listens on port 22 with a custom program
>said program doesn't answer anything to incoming connections, but kicks the nas awake
>nas wakes up and takes over the vrrp ip
>a later attempt actually goes through to the nas

>>60226736
You can, but at LEAST using Wake on LAN just using standby or something is typically better at home - you really basically want to automate your backups being run from all relevant devices without you doing anything.

I guess you could also get a nag screen to turn it on and then do it, but you don't save very much power from doing that, so why bother?

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Advice on NAS build?

>>60222347
Just upload something useful for someone, like some old software and then put le "dummy data" together, no one's going to download gibberish.

>>60222222
Well shit, I guess I found my new cloud storage

>>60227366
How much more for ECC ram?

It's not strictly necessary but mite be useful in a box that runs constantly

>>60216539
Really home boy? The stack of crucial SSDs in my office says othwrwise! Some of them literally only lasted weeks in a production environment. Speed is nice but reliability is even better. I've got some machines still rocking original mechanical HDDs and don't sound like grinding ball bearings yet (which is a good audible during maitenance checks!) SSDs just go tits up and then your day gets longer by 2 hours.

>>60215395
M-disc BlueRay is the best way for long term storage

>>60229200
What are you using for old HDDs amigo?

>>60219515
I ruined so many CD-R's back in the day trying to make copies of friends games. I did eventually learn to burn them on the slowest settings. I haven't had to use CDs since flash drives became a thing though.

I always worry about my oldest digital memories. I used to have lots of shit hosted on putfile before they went down. I've never trusted any online hosting since and just kept things on harddrives.

>>60215395
important shit I have on HDD+cloud
Random shit-cloud

>>60221915
why is it so jewey when it's free?

>>60215395
I print the code on paper and shove it in your mom's cunt

>>60215798
>(((THE CLOUD)))
Oy vey, such a good goy!

>>60220931
someones vast multilocational network of computers with multiple layers of redundancy

Tape drives is the only correct answer.
The drive is expensive, but the tapes are cheap as fuck, so you can easily buy a couple extra so you can store backups in a safe in every corner of your town.

>>60227366
If you're not in a rush, try to source you HDDs from different retailers over an extended timespan (maybe 1-2 months) to reduce the odds of 2+ drives sukodu-ing in close proximity.

As always, RAID is no substitute for backups, especially offsite ones, but rebuilding an array is usually a much smaller problem than trying to restore one.

>>60215395
just normal hdds in my computer

>>60216539
just web browsing will use more than that per day.

>>60229949
(((free)))

>>60221073
so thats why the 20€ dvd burners die after 10 burned cdrws

>>60215395
Paper

>>60232178
>RAID is no substitute for backups
Obviously (sadly not for everyone, apparently). RAID protects you from hardware failure (if a HDD fails, swap it out and let the array rebuild), but it doesn't protect you from anything that goes on on a higher abstraction layer. If some data gets deleted accidentally, file system corruption occurs, data gets encrypted by ransomware, etc. etc. it's going to be propagated all across the array immediately as the RAID controller has no clue what's going on within a file system. In such situations you have to retrieve data from a backup copy.

>>60226521
>tfw friends used to download a shitton of movies some 15 years ago once they got hi-speed internet (think divx3.11;) era) and burn them to cds (usual hdds were in the 20-40 gb range and quite expensive)
>hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of cds burnt
>tfw today most of those cds are either corrupted and unreadable, or even if readable, the movies are "unwatchable" anyway because youtube-240p-tier divx3.11;)
>tfw all the effort for naught in the end

cds are fine for backups. i have cdr discs that are over 10 years old and they are still readable.

>>60215395
Tape drives is the only answer OP. Get some cheap tapes and reader for them and write your oh so important data to it. Store in climate controlled area. I.e. not your basement or attic.

Otherwise you can buy a reliable HDD, move everything over to it in compressed format for maximizing space, and store them in an insulated shock proof enclosure.

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>>60215395
Can anyone tell me why is my HDD running at 100% all the time? CrystalDiskInfo says everything is ok.

I cant afford a new one now, this thing isnt even half a year old for fuck sake.

>>60229949
Yeah, free hehehe, don't you worry about it goyim.

>>60233640
If you don't notice anything strange other than seeing your disk at 100% it may be a lecture error.

>>60233640
did you try looking in task manager to see what's using all the disk...?

>>60233640
Please be more precise as to what you mean by "HDD running at 100% all the time". The LED is lit up constantly, or you hear noise from the HDD? You can use Process Explorer and Process Monitor to investigate what process is doing the I/O.

>>60235521
It runs slow basically

>>60235549
doesnt say what is using it so much

>>60235774
LED is lit all the time, there was some noise just a moment ago but its gone now and process monitor doesnt say much.

THe LED is lit even if it's at 0% usage (it drops there after not using the PC for 5 minutes but it goes back even if I just click on a folder)

>>60226037
>NAS
I have a big ol' stack of 3tb drives that I got recently at an absolute steal and I'm thinking about building a NAS. I have just about everything picked out for two 15TB spans of five drives apiece mirrored, but I want off-site backups as well.

What's the best way to clone a set that size to five other drives? Please don't say 5x usb3 docks.

>>60236616
Buy a second SATA card for the backup drives. And optionally, a 5 drive hotswap cage.

>>60233640
stop using windows 10

>>60222365
Ok, but keep in mind that if you faggots abuse this, then they will either change the rules, or it will become to costly to maintain their servers, and then it's goodbye Internet Archive.

>>60215395
NAS with some redundancy, and encrypted backups to an "unlimited" cloud service.

At least, this is what I plan to build once 10TB drives become cheaper, since I want a small case, not a 4U rackmount beast.

>>60232902
If you use a file system with snapshot capabilities, recovering from ransomware encryption is literally just a command away. Still not a substitute for a backup though.

>>60240048
I'm fine with that as long as wayback machine stays.

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>>60215395
>not having trillions of punch cards stored in an environmentally controlled location.

>>60215395
I use a 4TB Seagate Backup Hard Drive. It works for what I need: large storage, decent speeds and portability.

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>>60240426
>Seagate

>>60219689
The same as watching them in 4k, depends on how good the show is.

>WD - 500GB - 2 years old
>Toshiba - 750GB - 5 years old - 16 bad sectors for 10 months - don't write to it anymore
>WD external - 1TB - 3 years old
>Toshiba external - 2TB - 1 year old

Thinking about getting another 2TB external for backing up important stuff plus more storage for anime/movies. Still don't have a SSD so was thinking about that too.

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>>60233214
would these work too? probably made of same shit that tapes are.