>Microsoft locks down Windows 10 so only Windows Store apps

>>60192040
No, it isn't, because you aren't going to see Windows 10 S on anything but prebuilts sold to schools, and you can pay MS to "upgrade" it to Windows 10 Pro anyway.

>>60192040
>Microsoft locks down Windows 10 so only Windows Store apps can be installed
This will never happen.

>>60192070
>thinking they aren't testing the waters to see if they can get away with making this standard on all editions

>PC gamers revolt by moving to Linux
hahahaha no

they'll take it up the ass like good little goys as they've always done

just accept that you'll always be a minority and that you'll always be inconvenienced for it

>>60192117
The day you see Blizzard and Riot porting their games to Linux is they day you should panic because it's going to happen. Valve and GoG just laid out the foundation way earlier.

>>60192070
>>60192117
I was hoping that once Windows S was officially announced, these retarded anti-M$FT shills would finally shut the fuck up about dumb shit like this:
>>60192144

But it looks like there is no thing that can be said or done to stop them from their feckless shitposting. Such is life on an anonymous cartoon imageboard.

>Linux requires to download packages via package manager instead of handy installers
>Non-Free software not allowed in package manager repo
>neckboards revolt by moving to TempleOS
>age of cia niggers comes to an end

>>60192040
This is one of the reasons why I disabled W10 updating.
If an update is worth getting, I'll get it.

>>60192166
those are bottom tier devs that will only ever follow the money so you're not wrong. having them jump ship would be indicative of a greater phenomenon.

don't hold your breath though.

>>60192040

>Not simply having a Windows 10 that doesn't have updates and most of the clutter removed for playing vidyas at optimal speed

>>60192040
>>glorious new era of Linux begins
NO

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND

WINDOWS PLEBS MOVING EN MASSE TO LINUX IS NOT A GOOD THING

>>60192040
For what reason would Microsoft throw away customerbase and profit?

No glorious Linux revolution will happen until Linux is unpleasant and inferior for non-specialist computer users, which it is currently

As it stands right now, users are funneled to W10 S whenever they find a file association MS doesn't like.

>>60192229
Are you afraid they will invalidate your precious secret knowledge?

>>60192229
Why not? More users, more software.

Ever read the steam forums?

Those people are retaded

>>60192263
>>60192267
Have you even seen the utter cluelessness of your average Windows user?

Letting them in will only increase the chance of people downloading the DEB of Google Chrome, converting it into RPM with alien, converting *that* into a Snap package, installing it, running it with root, fucking up everything by running a .exe with Wine (with root), and then flooding every forum with rants about why "manually deleting those big files in /boot so to free up space" is a bad thing

>>60192267
More shovelware, more malware and more bloat. Yeah sounds great.

>>60192229
>"why wont people just see that linux is better?"
>"HURR NORMIES IN MY LINUX REEEE"
choose one

>>60192040
>>PC gaming industry also revolts by moving development priority to Linux and Vulkan
Are you stupid?

>>60192229
you can just retreat to bsd and plan9 mate

>>60192040
i hope so
someone would have to go out of their way to make a proper Linux distribution though, because almost every single one is a god damn fucking mess

>>60192383
Ubuntu MATE

>>60192383
Valve should incorporate clearlinux patches for starters. However, I get the feeling they're pretty incompetent linux wise.

>>60192180
not free software is allowed to be in a repo though

>>60192419
Valve should update their shit to be compatible with modern packages, for starters. They're using runtime from 2012.

>>60193039
>modern packages
I cringe every time I see someone use this as an argument. Let me guess, you use Arch?

>>60193056
Tumbleweed.

>>60192070
Keep boiling that frog.

Install Gentoo is always the answer

>>60192180
Dude any developer can host or use their own choice of repository that anyone can add to their package manager. With package managers you decide what sources you're downloading from while with app stores the company decides for you.

>>60192383
That's impossible though because of the nature of the GPL, though, isn't it?

I mean, in an ideal world there would be one dominant distro and then when the devs fuck it up some other devs fork it and everyone switches to that. In reality though it's always gonna have a gazillion distros.

>>60192229
We get more support but more babbies.
It
Is
A
Win

>>60192166
Blizzard already unofficially supports running their titles in wine.

>>60193532
>retarded tripfag is retarded
color me surprised

>>60192331
That's a rather large strawman you've built. Having troubles with crows?

>>60192040
>deluded loonix fag

would be nice to run my mouse at 1000hz without using fucking test mode

RIP signed sweetlow USB drivers :(

>>60192040
Microsoft hasn't locked down Windows. It made a chromebook competitor. If MS had applied those restrictions across the board you might have something but they haven't so you don't.

>>60193532
Yeah cept overwatch isn't supported whatsoever. Blizzard accidentally supported linux when they went with openGL for WoW, they don't actually give fucks and actively develop windows-only stuff.

>PC gaming industry also revolts by moving development priority to Linux and Vulkan
They haven't waited on gamers to do that. The problem is publishers not wanting to spend the money to do good ports. Good thing is that now a lot of great engines work natively on Linux. UE4 for example.

>>60192117
Of course it will never happen, delusional Linux zealots have a new lie they spout everyday for this shit.

>>60193958
I didn't say it because I think MS doesn't want to, I just think even MS wouldn't be that stupid. No need to start shilling, little boy.

>>60192070
since you can't choose what upgrades are applied, you have no say in the matter.
sooner or later they will upgrade you to windows store only

>>60193772
>accidentally
wow's internal testing has always been done on linux

Man, that would be so great. And I'm a Windows user. Too bad is not gonna happen:(

>>60194049
I think you're talking about their servers.

>>60192117
This. Plus Linux would need decent drivers.

>people running away from inertia
People would revolt by forcing Windows do what they want instead of moving away.

>>60193532
Dude, have you tried getting Starcraft 2 running in wine? Shit is impossible

>>60192040
To be honest more and more steam games are available for Linux, something like ~20% of all steam games. It definitely is viable to game on Linux.

>>60192229
Muh sekret club

Age of the Linux desktop, amirite guize?

>>60194306
Whatever gets moved to android linux gets free. Smartphones are killing microsoft and enabling linux, not shit like steam or gog.

GNU/Linux is shit and full of annoyances. Not even a nuclear missile directed at Microsoft headquarters will change that.

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>>60192040
Please tell me not all loonix fags are this retarded

>>60192040
>Gamers installing an OS specifically for schools
Why are Loonix fags so delusional

>>60194357
>shit and annoyances of gahnoo+loonix
>MS forcing you to develop only store """"apps""""""" and forcing your to publish your programs only in their store

Democracy is good because we have choices.

>>60194317
Microsoft value are the highest of its history

>>60194561
>forcing
You're only lying to yourself.

>>60192040
>Windows 7 doesn't exist

>>60194496
Sadly, the 1% market share is explained by that.

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>>60194531
>mfw even that shitty OS for school have Forza 6/Horizon 3, Resident Evil 7, GOW 4, COD 4 remaster, ROTTR...

>>60194668
Windows 7's days are numbered.

>>60194265
It's closer to 23%, but only 8% if you ignore indie titles.

>>60192040
Let's review the facts before /g/ looks dumb yet again.

There will be three versions of Windows.

Windows home, which is going to say the way it is.

Windows s, which will most likely be used in schools. Only downloading programs through the store is an option you can change. it's going to prevent little aspies like yourselves from install gentoo

Windows pro.

>>60194668
>no DX12

windows 7 has no games

>>60192144
They already tested those waters with WinRT.

They can't, at least partially because the Windows Store is shite, and the multiple-decade entrenchment of the countless millions of programs written using the Win32/Win64 APIs - which is the exact thing that makes Windows a worthwhile OS.

I give this latest test two years.

>Defending Steam

Didn't Steam pull this same shit with SteamOS?

>>60194780
Linux can't even handle DX11

>>60194790
Windows RT failed because it was for Tablet. Cheap laptop with Microsoft Office and a browser are enough for most people just like Chromebook

>>60194766
>it's going to prevent little aspies like yourselves from install gentoo
How? Does it lock bios?

Microsoft will never ever block third party apps, even if they want everyone to use their store, it just won't happen. Windows has so many programs and discontinued ones that it will create a huge backlash. You have to think about those utility facilities, where they use custom programs to administrate everything (like a dam). what are they going to do? wait until the programmer publishes the app on the store?
Yes it's a shitty example, I know

>>60194577
Sure it is, Satya, sure it is.

>>60194819
It can handle some DX11, it's not far off. DX12.... isn't even adopted much on windows so less of an issue.

>>60194811

SteamOS was not locked down. It was just a modified Ubuntu with Steam's interface, except you could still access GNOME and install other applications. Nobody really cared for it though. Windows users weren't going to switch to a platform with less games, and Linux users just installed the regular Linux steam client.

>>60194846
Well, the first steps are actually indeed there. It's called safeboot/uefi. Give it a few more years and you can't even boot legacy anymore.

>>60195000
Yep, Valve fucked up their linux push and maybe got some better terms on windows or some shit instead.

>>60194872
You're on the right train of thought, though.

If Microsoft were to pull something like this off, they wouldn't be shooting themselves in the foot, they'd be putting both barrels through their head.
The notion that they would attempt this just to spite Steam or GoG is pure insanity, not even Ballmer-era Microsoft would attempt it.

>>60194780
Developers still relying on DX are not worth it anyway.

>>60195012

Well it wasn't a total screw up. Linux now has a shit ton of games that they otherwise would not have had, and that translates to at least a decent number of sales for them. If nothing else, it's insurance against Microsoft going rogue and cannibalizing their own platform.

>>60195071
It really really doesn't. I think the only major releases they ever had was the deus ex stuff. The rest is android trash leftovers and source games (post2013)

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>>60192040

>>60195090

And indie games. Pretty much anything made in Unity or Unreal Engine is trivially ported to Linux.

>>60195125
That indie stuff is what I was referring to with the 'android trash,' hell even humble bundle people don't do linux anymore.

>>60195125
sucks that both unity and unreal engine are terrible though

when it comes to input anyway

>>60192040
You should know by now, as microsoft already does, that they can do literally anything they want and people still won't switch to linux

>>60194780
Literally only microsoft has realeased dx 12 only games and theyre all shit

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>>60195090
Some of the bigger name titles from my personal library...

Total War: Warhammer
DiRT Rally
Basically everything from Paradox Interactive
Borderlands 2
Dying Light
Mad Max
Metro 2033
Metro Last Light
Mount & Blade Warband
Payday 2
Saints Row 2
Saints Row 3
Saints Row 4
Talos Principle
XCOM
XCOM 2

Windows has more games for sure, but around 25% of all Steam titles have a linux port. Saying it has no games is just fucking moronic at this point.

>>60192336
B-bbubt leenucks enthusiasts told me Leenoocks is imune to malware!!

>>60195233
and of those 25%, maybe 1% of them is worth playing, if you're lucky

>>60195233
Oh I guess borderlands did show up. Metro was on linux before steamOS so I'm not counting that in this. Dying Light and Xcom's are right, saints row ports were just complete trash til SR4+ but that counts as something I guess. Payday 2 is almost a game framework for all the DLC, not sure if I'd count it. Rest of that is super minor, especially paradox interactive games.

>>60195332
>Rest of that is super minor, especially paradox interactive games
I will fight you irl

>>60195359
I'm not saying they're not great, I'm saying super ultra niche. /tg/ vs. /v/ stuff.

>>60192229
Anything that hurts Microsoft is a good thing.

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>>60195332
>especially paradox interactive games.

>>60192040

They would never oust Steam from Windows. That would be suicide. They may ask Valve to pay some money, but they would never kick them out the door.

>>60194678
It's closer to 2%, and growing constantly.

>>60195386
I like niche games, so it works out for me.

Linux is still very much in the tech-hipster sphere, so that's the kind of shit that gets ported. The current situation is a massive improvement compared to pre-steamos, as linux adoption increases so will ports of bigger name titles. Especially if Valve starts taking ADD medication and focuses more of their attention on promoting it.

>>60195452
well one would hope so, declining from 1% would be sad

>>60195296
Coincidentally, about 1% of all steam games are worth playing.

>>60192040
I hope this never happens, for Linux and its varied distributions sake

>>60195455
I'm not sure what Valves endgame really was, but actually promoting steamOS seems to not be it. They even scammed companies into building steamboxes which inevitably flopped. That seems like it would be a really bad hit to valve's rep if they weren't just sitting on a free money DRM machine. Some games that actually got linux ports before steamOS are abandoning it too. I don't know what to expect in the future.

>>60194220
Impossible for retards.

>>60195514
They have no endgame. They're a lot like Google in this manner; They're in the middle of working on Project A when something shiny catches their eye, then they dedicate all of their resources to the newly formed Project B and completely forget about Project A.

>>60195233
>no outlast
Are you a pussy or what?

>>60195608
Outlast is shit. I have Penumbra, Amnesia, and SOMA for horror games.

>>60195624
Heretic

>>60195646
enjoy your shitty jumpscare game, I guess.

>>60192040
Fantastic! I can't wait for the winbaby tears here in 5-10 years if 4chan is still around. Microsoft will die.

>>60194829
Chromebooks succeed because, though they won't easily run 3rd party software, chrome os is nice. Windows now does not run 3rd party software, and is NOT nice. That's the difference.

>>60195826
It's familiar. That's literally the only thing that matters to tech illiterates.

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>>60192040
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60192040
I think pc gaming is compromised, that's it!

>>60195700
your games are shit
your argument is shit

Gamers are very technology illiterate. They can put their lego sets together, but linux would be too much for the majority of them to handle. And Windows 10 S is a mobile thing, there will always be the real Windows because you can't develop apps on the mobile OS and a commercial OS lives and dies by the amount of apps it has.

As usual, playing video games and being a retard go hand-in-hand

>Microsoft locks down Windows 10 so only Windows Store apps can be installed
Fake news.

>Steam and GOG are not allowed in the Windows Store
Fake news.

>PC gamers revolt by moving to Linux
Fake news.

>PC gaming industry also revolts by moving development priority to Linux and Vulkan
Fake news.

>glorious new era of Linux begins
Lmfao, keep dreaming retard.

>>60197481
>PC gamers revolt by moving to Linux
>Fake news.
>PC gaming industry also revolts by moving development priority to Linux and Vulkan
>Fake news.
More Like wishful thinking

>>60192040
gamerfags,,, please stay away from linux, you clearly dont know what makes linux useful and if you had any sort of an affect on the development of any of the linux projects it would be for the worse

>>60192224
So... LTSB?

>>60192174
Anti-m$ft shills = people
Prro-m$ft shills = poo

>>60192267
We have more than enough software.
>>60193500
We have more than enough support.

>>60195332
>let me fight facts with opinions and pretend a game I don't like doesn't count as a playable Linux game for the public

>>60199175
or just stay consistent to the original statement

When i do my next build i'm tempted to try out linux for a while, and see if it saves a few bucks.

Windows is dead to me as a desktop OS.
I only use Windows 8.1 in a VM once in a while, if at all.

Is Windows 10 s the new Windows 7 starter?

>>60192040
No OP, you don't get it. GNU/Linux and BSD are good because they aren't popular, the fact that they aren't popular is the reason why there's not that many software for it, the fact that there isn't much software for it is why they're both reasonably secure. If the market share increases significantly for Linux and BSD that would mean a increase for software to aid clueless users and that would result in popular distros being bloated (and no, not the retarded Arch user concept of Bloat, I mean Windows-tier bloat) we'd have more viruses, pointless software that are probably actual malware.
And no, stop being delusional, Microsoft won't get rid of everything and focus on WIndows 10 S.

>>60202440
This anon gets it, there is no benefit in allowing millions of low IQ into our territory.

>>60195826
>Chromebooks succeed
I have met exactly one person in my entire life who used a Chromebook, and he hated it. You'd think that they're better optimized for Chrome, but from what I've heard the lower-end ones can barely keep three tabs open without pissing themselves.

>>60202440
There's so many things wrong with this post.

>GNU/Linux and BSD are good because they aren't popular
GNU/Linux and BSD are good because they are open and have a culture of patching/improving software, and because they have a more sound design philosophy as a result.

>we'd have more viruses, pointless software that are probably actual malware.
The nix's design philosophy is all-or-nothing, security-wise, until you get into stuff like SELinux, all of it works on the principle of "obtain root permissions, use permissions to do shit". As long as you keep it from gaining those permissions, by patching vulnerabilities, then all malware can do it hope to phish people. That's why there's so little Linux malware.

>Microsoft won't get rid of everything and focus on WIndows 10 S
They've made poorer choices.

>>60192229
so much this

normies fucking ruin everything, let em stay on botnet10

>>60202526
Linux and BSD aren't truly "open" unless you're talking about FSF approved kernels. And that doesn't include BSD operating systems.

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>>60202440
>>60202507
>desktop Linux is good because it's not MAINSTREAM
>too many fans and it starts to become unattractive

You guys sound like you're just hipsters without the fashion sense.

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>>60195498
>1% of 25% is the same as 1$ of 100%

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>>60202712
do you think if I showed that chick my t420 running arch she would let me suck her dick?

>>60202712
Are you trying to imply hipsters have fashion sense?

>>60202727
No, you idiot, in both cases, the number of games worth playing is about 1% of the number available. >>60195296 was implying that only low-quality trash is available on linux, when the low quality trash is present regardless of OS, in roughly similar proportions.

>>60195000
It wasn't modified Ubuntu. It was modified Debian. The alure behind SteamOS was an operating system suitable for the box in your living room, not your desk.

>>60202829
you could only suck it if you had drugs.

>>60192144
>to see if they can get away with
>implying they arnt just following android and apple's lead with the "app store" and the "pay us to make programs" theme
its already been proven that they can get away with it.
The era of home brew is reaching its end.

THE SONY POLICE WILL BUST DOWN THE DOOR OF ANYONE WHO DARES DEFY THE NEW RULES

>>60192040
>>Microsoft locks down Windows 10 so only Windows Store apps can be installed
>>Steam and GOG are not allowed in the Windows Store

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/windows-10-store-refunds-call-of-duty-player-because-nobodys-playing-it

Just reminded me of that story. That app store suck, it's like the dark ages of early internet shareware.

10s is not the solution to a problem, it's a problem that need a solution.

>>60192040
No. People will upgrade from S tomw10pro, install steam and thats it.

>>60194150
The open AMD drivers are 'decent' and the Nvidia OpenGL blob is the same one on Windows.

>>60205077
>decent
No they're not, and you know this
The only decent amd drivers were the open sores ones, not from AMD

>>60194731
You can say the same for Windows though. The majority of PC games are indie titles these days.

>>60195296
You can say the exact same thing about any platform. 70% of the Steam library is indie now.

>>60205101
I said the open drivers, retard. And AMD is helping with Mesa.

>>60205101
The open source drivers are from AMD you ignorant fuck.

My usual response would be that microsoft would never make that mistake, since their entire platform for getting people to use their new pointless OS is to put unique features on it designed to appeal to gamers. EG, DX12, DX11.
More likely you'll see a move to Vulkan if anything

>>60205308
>AMDGPU
>made by AMD

Wrong

>>60205332
>Wrong
Wrong.

>>60205378
>Wrong
Wrong

>>60205389
it is tho

you're way more likely to see mac versions than loonix versions

linux will never get its shit together

>>60205408
No, AMDGPU is not made by AMD

>>60192040
>selective reading
Freetards confirmed as stupid.
Also, Vulkan doesn't matter if they don't solve the ass they have with the VT subsystem, KMS and fucking kill X.org for good.

>>60194150
>thinking windows drivers are better than linux drivers

you are truly stupid

>>60194819
WINE supports it since 2.0

>>60205453
It fucking is lmao. Who do you think does it?

>>60193532
>Unofficially supports

What the hell does that even mean?

Either they support it or they don't.

>>60194819
>using DX instead of OpenGL

hurr durr this proprietary garbage microsoft standard only works on microsoft authorized operating systems durrrrrr

>>60205507
Not AMD

>>60205479
>thinking the otherwise
>he doesn't know that the drivers aren't exactly homologated or tested extensively
>he doesn't know that linux even hasn't a stable driver api
>he doesn't know that linux doesn't want to have a stable driver api

>>60192144
Not even Apple does that shit, why the fuck would Microshit take a dump over the biggest selling point of their platform?

>>60205550
>avoiding the question
admit you are wrong or baiting.

>>60192040
>>Microsoft locks down Windows 10 so only Windows Store apps can be installed
already stopped reading

>>60205555
>linux computer
>plug device in
>it just works

>microsoft computer
>plug device in
>windows detected a device has plugged in
>would you like to install the driver from a location or the internet
>ok, the internet. i am searching the internet now
>please wait while we guide you through the driver installation wizard

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>>60205460
Wayland is taking over, especially now that Canonical has abandoned Mir in favor of it. X.org's days are now absolutely numbered in modern distros.

>>60192229
They already did that forever ago, even you're probably a pleb who switched to Ubuntu or some casual shit distro from XP as a teenager. The majority of Linux users on this board couldn't use a computer to save their life without a wiki holding their hand every step of the way.

>>60205638
>linux computer
>plug device in
>doesn't work
>you can't install the driver because it's for a other kernel version
>your only solution is compile some unestable tree from kernel.org
>now your distro doesn't work because doesn't have the distro specific patches

>windows computer
>doesn't have a native driver for Windows 10
>there isn't a driver in their servers
>download Win 7 driver and install it
>just works

>>60192040
>glorious new era of Linux begins
You will always be the pajeet of the OS world

>>60205707
You serious? Windows has always been the pajeet one.

>>60192163
Don't be so sure. I have a worthless NEET brother who's still on Windows 7 because he hates Windows 10 and the only thing that's preventing him from moving to GNU/Linux is GTA V. That child loves that game so he won't be switching before he gets tired of that game or grows up (don't think any of those things will happen the next decade, though).

There's a lot of games on steam that work on GNU/Linux these days.

>>60205741
I own GTA 5 and it's a really fun game. I can't wait till it's playable in wine.

>>60205688
>have linux computer
>choice between well supported device or ultra proprietary device made by a manufacturer hostile to the linux community
>buy ultra proprietary device and cry about linux drivers on /g/

>>60195012
Valve didn't fuck up their linux push, their Steam client is popular among GNU/Linux users and there's a ton of games for it.

Their SteamOS became a bit of a failure, though. In my opinion it's more of a hardware failure, they are/were trying to push SteamOS pre-built boxes like a "PC XBox" thing and these are not selling like hot potatoes. Their "SteamOS" itself is a barely modified Debian so there's really no reason to pick that when you're looking for a distro. And what would the point be, anyway, the steam client works on any distro.

>>60195514
Why are you saying companies were "scammed" into building steamOS boxes? If you want you can build a box and put steamOS on it and sell it. If you don't feel like doing that then you don't have to. Microsoft isn't "scamming" Lenovo into making Windows laptops either.

>>60205852
>having to research what thing works and what not doesn't work
>having discard good functioning hardware because muh special snowflake operating system

>>60205077
>>60205101
> not from AMD
It's true that the free MESA drivers for Radeon cards are technically not from AMD. They are made by people who are paid by AMD together with paid developers from RedHat and other companies as well as volunteers and random people. This collaborative effort is in fact largely there thanks to AMD who provide documentation, a lot of code to build on and help. AMD is currently hiring more free software developers, so is Redhat. We will soon have the driver quality needed to make the nations accept the GNU World Order.

>>60205968
>tfw when AMD is speaking with legal to open his PSP

>try to install any type of linux, even ubuntu
>wifi doesnt work
>cant just copy a . tf over to install drivers
>install something else, something else breaks
>everything is terminal based so end users have to learn a shit load of commands to do mundane tasks like hard drive management and even formatting a drive to fat32 requires a shit load of effort.
>something always goes wrong.
it will never take off

we are now finally moving to the console era. no more building powerful pc because you can't game on it anymore.

desktops need to die because i can't afford a good looking one

That's my dream OP.

>>60192163
Are you implying that "PC gamers" is some kind of monolith?

>>60206099
>what is gnome disk utility

also are you sure you're installing the latest version of ubuntu (17.04)? I've never had trouble with wifi drivers not working on new or old laptops.

Honorable mention.

Barring games, Steam is also an app store.
And apparently anime.

>>60206099
SteamOS is fine in this regard. I tried it, no brainpower is required whatsoever.

>>60192331
This does nothing to impact your linux usage. Stop being a retard.

You can do just as dangerous things in Windows, most people will just use Linux Mint with browser it comes with. You've clearly never looked into how new users adapt to Linux, they adapt pretty well to the concept of an "app store". They do the same shit with their phones, and look how popular iOS and Android are.

so Windows 10 Garbage Edition is the "default" now

you have to pay again to actually use windows after paying for an OEM PC

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>>60206099
It's like stick shift cars.

Keeps the idiots off computers.

Stop worrying and learn to love the terminal.

>>60192267
>proprietary, drm services like steam
>a benefit

>>60205615
>Not even Apple does that shit

>All apple computers sold have anything out of the app store turned off, third party installation is now an advanced feature.
>all other non OSX devices are locked to their store with no way to install third party apps

really?

>>60206099
>>try to install any type of linux, even ubuntu
>>wifi doesn't work
>realize the manufacturer is an assclown and uses proprietary and anticompetitive tactics in their hardware
>replace with a better companies wifi card
>drivers already in the kernel, works out of the box
>>install something else, something else breaks
>realize that the developer or packager is a twat, and didnt prepare software with the dfsg in mind.
>remove shitty package and find better alternatives
>>everything is terminal based so end users have to learn a shit load of commands to do mundane tasks like hard drive management and even formatting a drive to fat32 requires a shit load of effort.
>realize that people explain things that way because automated commands are the legacy of true computer productivity, and GUIs exist for most mundane tasks
>in any gnome based os, open disk utility and click format on the drive, select fat32 and done
>>something always goes wrong.
>realize that everything is a work in progress, and learning how to actually use a computer benefits my life anyway.

>it will never take off
at least its comfy for me :3

>>60205954
I know right? What are these device manufacturers thinking? I mean they could easily just release their source code anf then the people who actually cared about us (linux community) would get everything working.

>>60195005
Even without legacy boot you can still boot gentoo in UEFI. I've done it. It's just that getting it to boot with secure boot is a problem when you install proprietary video drivers.

>>60192163

>Implying only gamers face this issue

Mechanical engineer here

>>60195140
There is a game dev that is getting specialized into porting games to openGL so it can run on Linux and MacOS but I just can't find it.

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/steam/9nblggh4x7gm
>3.5 stars
>loads of compatibility issues with big goy games
>flatlined stock shares
i hope this shit gets worse until they either completely change direction or sink

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Fun fact:
Valve might make an universal windows store.

>>60192040
May as well put all the hobbyists on a hobby OS and keep windows for actual productivity.

>>60209318
Are you talking about the guys that did the linux port of Empire: Total War?

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>Using a FOSS OS to run a proprietary DRM platform like Steam designed to take control away from the user

>>60192070
they could if they locked out all other operating systems through mandatory signed boot

>>60205645
But many people are also complaining that Wayland a shit and has problems and that we shouldn't move to it.

It's like systemd only much quieter and with less death threats.

Linux users are so tsundere towards games and "non-free software".

Also, let me remind you that this whole "Windows Store apps only" "prophecy" was Linux Witness favorite arguemnt for last few years. Just like secure boot was supposed to prevent people from installing Linux distros, just like all games were supposed to be tied to Store or all users having to create and mantain MS accounts instead of local ones for everything.

Oh and subs, dont forget about subs. And guess what? Nothing like that happened, MS only renewed optional sub-based payment method for companies.

I still wonder why Linux Witness cant just use their favorite system in peace and must keep complaining about Windows being a thing, dream about everyone abandoning Windows and moving to Linux distros (and devs spending time adjusting their products to every single popular distro and leave more obscure unsupported) and at the same time, complain about "normies" polluting their secret club.

Or maybe somebody here would love to get back to 80s and make PCs "secret tool" for "wizards" aka the trusted and closed circle?

>>60192040
>>PC gaming industry also revolts by moving development priority to Linux and Vulkan

I think you severely overestimate the competence of the average game developer.

To date, there's arguably only one title that does Vulkan well.

>>60193740
You can though? Or are you referring to the ehci_hcd bug?

>>60208133
>tp link wifi card
theyre one of the big 3 consumer networking companies

>>60208014
>I'm literally too stupid to check a box in system settings
That's not the point anyway, the point is you can do it, and Microshit would be hard-pressed to disallow it on their entire lineup when even a company like Apple with a developer base almost completely on board with the store model recognizes the benefits of allowing out-of-store applications to be installed and used.
>b-but muh phones
We're talking about real computers.

>>60192040
>>60192070
That won't happen because if it does Microsoft would be having a hard time staying afloat.

the day something stupid like that happens is the day where microsoft will lose their biggest say in the desktop environment, so we can then finally fuck off from the shitty winapi, .NET, and other shit. Windows? more like Jail Bars.

>>60192180
>handy installers
>open browser, use search engine, download executable and repeat every you want to install something
or
>package-manager install program name
Also non free packages are allowed in repos of major distributions

>>60192040
Microsoft is the default OS. Most people never install a new OS on a computer.
The people who do, tend to install other things.
Installing windows is much harder than installing gentoo and it takes about the same amount of time, yet people figure it out so they can come back to when their computer was working and they can play their games or whatever.
The argument that people won't use Linux because it doesn't have that one game you know is wrong.

I am one of those people who don't mind this.
It means people who are using Linux is willing and often enthusiastic about using it.
They usually gave something up in order to do the conversion, which means they either bought into the ethics of the ecosystem or have a technical requirement that they couldn't reach elsewhere.

I don't think linux will improve by having more (unwilling) users.

Take android as an example.
It is default on most phones, so it is the most popular OS.
But it is not free software and you see everything that nothing else really matters when it comes to software.
It is not gnu/Linux, it is GPS/Linux.
And when you run android without the Google Play Services, you often find yourself with a situation where there isn't an app for that task because all apps are not just installed by GPS, they are Dependant on the features from GPS.
I have an app on my tablet which is made from my local bank.
Obviously they have made it so people can't access their server with some other app and that app is proprietary.
I don't mind that, the app could only come from them anyway, it makes sense they also control it.
But during upstart of the app, it checks with GPS if there is any updates. So even if the compatibility layers gets ready, it would not always work.
And it is like that with a lot of applications.
The worst part is that google is one of the few companies who are in the position to govern such security.
And since mobile was never a priority for developers, we don't have any ethical rival companies.

>>60207754
Praise the monolith ya fuckin cunt.

>>60209270
>be mech engineer
>ff to 2024
>computer still running Win10 b/c it's the last Microsoft OS that still supports Solidworks.

>>60192040
What will actually happen in the real world:
>Microsoft releases a shitty, locked down and useless version of Windows to compete with Chromebooks or some crap
>nobody gives a shit and continues using normal Windows

>>60192040
Linux has no games because of GNU and their stupid policies, Stallman is the best and the worst part of Linux, at the same time

>>60205638
>linux computer
>installing my new Nvidia video card
>manually install the driver in terminal

>windows
>installing my drivers from the official site
>:^)

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>>60218651
>Linux
>go to additional drivers and select the nvidia driver.

>windows
>have to manually download the driver
>enjoy telemetry and locked features requiring you register

>>60218737
>i dunno how to unlock things from the registry
>dunno how to disable telemetry
Woah, even without those things Windows beats Linux for the desktop user... In Personal Computing, apps are kings.

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>>60218840
>release games on gnu
>license makes the code aviable
>mfw
>not releasing anything in this shitty OS

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>>60218840
>I have to edit hex keys in the registry
>I have to actively stop my OS from spying on me
W-windows b-beats Loonix amrite?

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>>60218982
>telemetry is spying
There are a lot of registry tweaks on the internet, good luck installing programs that you don't have in your repository.

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>>60197481

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>add repo
>update
>install new program
>program is integrated and updated automatically
Sorry you are a sub 80 IQ untermensch and consider this a difficult task.

>>60193532
>unofficially supports
So they don't support it.

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>>60219150
>New install
>Download 80 software packages directly after install with a one liner

>>60192040

>Steam
>On Linux

Do you even understand FOSS? Steam is DRM and the games are even worse.

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>>60192070
>you can pay
95% of home windows users have a pirated windows OS, or a pre-installed one. Majority of them aren't willing to spend money on most software, especially basic functions of an OS. If this lockdown is the future of windows then it will finally collapse.

>>60192117
Pic related

>>60192180
You can install software via installers. That's exactly how games on GOG are delivered.

>>60193532
No, they're pretty much locked down on windows. Proven by them not porting hearthstone to (GNU)Linux. They use Unity, so it's a simple point and click export.

>>60194819
DX is cancer. Vulkan and openGL are better options in every regard.

>>60195125
Except hearthstone :^)

>>60197481
>by moving development priority to Linux and Vulkan
opengl is in linux for years and nobody uses it. why would vulkan be different?

>>60205638
For shits & giggles I installed a Wii emulator and then got the cheapest GCN controller adapter and bluetooth dongle. It was pretty impressive that Fedora got both of them working with zero config and doesn't even have issues handling a GCN controller, Xbox 360 controller, and Wiimot + nunchuck on a chink bluetooth dongle at the same time.
Also Metroid Prime in 1080p at 60FPS is awesome. It aged a lot better than I expected it to.

>>60215950
i winced a little by the end

kys my man

>>60221069
did you see that VR demo for dolphin i think? I'm not a fan of VR, but it might give older games some extra life.

>>60220928
>people will be so fed up with the platform where all their games are that they will think this other platform that only has 4 games nobody is really interested in is an ideal alternative

This guy is a complete retard and so are you for eating up his nonsense.

>>60195452
Very dependent on demographic, and on this particular one it's actually worse than 1%

>http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
>Linux 0.76%

>>60192040
So Gabe knew it...

>>60192117
Not going to happen, microsoft know well how much is at stake holding dx.

>>60192040
As a Windows-only fag mostly because of laziness, I would download Ubuntu and start learning what all these sudo memes are really about if this shit happened.

>>60222402
what like,
>sudo chmod -Rf a-rwx /*
(FML)

Just get LoL on Linux and LoL will do for Linux what doom did for windows in the 90's,then PC games will want other games then see steam again.

>>60192040
It will flop just like Windows RT did

>>60222340
they did kill XNA though, they're defs retarded

>>60223160
If you do this you deserve the be deballed

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>>60224296
eyyye senpai

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>LE PC MASTER RACE gaymers ruining linux

please god no

linux is already popular enough, I don't want these mongs fucking things up more

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>>60192040
>PC gamers revolt by moving to Linux

Impossible, /v/ manchildren have no spine.

>>60192040
>Microsoft locks down one (1) single version of Windows 10 that's going to be directed towards education, laptops and prebuilt PCs so only Windows Store apps can be installed
Fixed that for (You).

>>60194766
If you're talking about versions of Windows 10, you forgot Enterprise and IoT. I guess whatever version goes to ARM Devices would/will be under the Windows Home sector.

>>60192040
The concept of Windows 10 S is not so bad. They are pratically creating a macbook clone for students and tech-illiterate people but windows 10 S is an extension of the App Store that is a pure shit. There are no categories and there are only a bunch of good apps. Games like Halo Wars and Forza Horizon 3 can't be in the same category of games like Candy Shit Soda. MS needs to fix the Store. At the moment that thing cannot even be compared to FDroid.

>>60205648
Truth hurts but yeah. I couldn't switch to Linux without hand holding wiki steps and help tips fro the forum.

>>60192040
lol I dont have Windows Store or any Store App on my LTSB version of Windows 10

>>60228863
how do you activate it?

>>60192363
This. In the worst case scenario we will have to sacrifice Linux to break everyone out of the proprietary prison.
This might sound bad, but the ecosystem is what makes Linux Linux, and the ecosystem will just move to BSDs or plan9 or make their own microkernel, and we will for once have some actual open standards on the desktop since even corrupted Linux would be miles better than Windows about anything. It's fucking worth it.

>>60231112
Better thing is plebs moving to BSD

>>60195287
No they didn't. Nobody ever said that.

>>60233375
>No they didn't. Nobody ever said that.
Yes they did a lot of leenucks say this

>>60233441
they are retards. malware is mostly a user problem.

however, Windows doesn't do anything to prevent it which means it happens a fuckload more.

>>60195287
You can't be immune to malware in the same way as you can't be immune to every single strain of every single disease.
You still can try to keep healthy and vaccinate so that you don't get infected with flu every single year, though. And as long as you do, it arguably doesn't matter much that there exist viruses in Africa that would make you rot from inside or whatever, since they're somewhere in Africa.
Under this analogy, Windows doesn't bother to keep healthy while Linux does. Plus, few people bother attacking Linux desktop because of the low marketshare and how few things you can depend on as a virus, because everybody has something different in their configuration.

>>60221197
This
I don't have google play services and i'm still using an android phone, f-droid has all the apps i need.

>>60233441
>a lot of leenucks say this
lol no they don't, just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

>>60225272
>Generation of kids grows up thinking its normal to use the Windows Store and doesn't even think about alternatives
>OEMs prefer 10 S due its its cheaper nature, the majority of new prebuilt systems run 10 S.
>Microsoft phases out legacy applications reserving 'open mode' as something only for developers, making it possibly much more expensive.

We all know this is what's happening. Its inevitable because of the rise of the sub $100 computer. $25-$50 Windows licenses just aren't going to be profitable anymore when they'd be such a substantial chunk of the cost, Microsoft needs to lock things down for the vast majority of their userbase so they can stay profitable.

Realistically how many of their users will care enough to switch? Another 2-3%? That would help GNU/Linux dramatically, but it would be a drop in the bucket for Microsoft.

>>60192166
What is the marketshare of Linux? How much money would it take for a large company to port an application to Linux? Why would they waste x amount of dollars for such a low amount of users?

>>60235009

Less than 1%. Most would rather use a chromebook, a mac, or their phones.

>>60237112
>What is the marketshare of Linux?
51%+ total, 2-3% desktop, 1% just Steam
Probably undercounted outside of mobile due to various ways of things on Linux counting as Windows, browser agent string mods, Wine, etc.

>How much money would it take for a large company to port an application to Linux?
Depends on how the application was coded. If its already based on cross-platform libraries and APIs the only real costs they're looking at is QA for release and tech support after, but its not that hard these days to just say "We officially support RedHat" or "We officially support Ubuntu LTS" and dramatically reduce the difficulty of that problem.

If the application was built using non-standard stuff though you can wind up dealing with tons of issues trying to adapt the code to fit into standard ways of doing things it was never designed for. There are a bunch of companies out there right now who basically make their living taking poorly coded single-platform stuff and making them run on top of standards with varying degrees of success and performance.

Sooner or later we're going to probably see a bit of a revolution in the industry as developers realize that while something may only be a couple percent of the user base, if you build for the most standard platform first your costs to support all the other platforms are substantially less. Same reason why KHTML and Gecko caught on among web developers even though IE was the browser at the time.

>>60237155
>Most would rather use a chromebook
Sure they won't switch to Linux, they'll switch to Linux!
Though to be fair I hadn't included it in my initial figures either, since they're users Microsoft is losing anyway with little hope of hanging on to. The users for whom a Chromebook is attractive, are not going to want a platform that only runs a Trident based piece of shit browser.

>a mac
Unlikely, at least if they were gamers. Apple is badly behind even where the unofficial open source drivers are these days in terms of performance and feature support.

>or their phones
Microsoft is already losing those users with no help of hanging on to them. I was talking about desktop users annoyed at the loss of the open platform.

>>60192163
>they'll take it up the ass like good little goys as they've always done
Lol, and here I was thinking that what kept them back was the lack of proper support of 99.9% of the modern hardware being sold.

>>60192040
If you didn't know, Linux and Linus are doing well now, without the crowd of the retarded gaymers in the intelligent technically advanced community.

>>60198201
>We have more than enough software.
Don't lie.

>>60192180
citation needed

>>60239205
I'm not lying.
Coreutils, ffmpeg and webkit is more than enough.

>>60239150
You mean ~10~ or so.
I have installed Linux countless Systems.
Only very seldom have i had Something that didnt work. And that most of the Time was very old Hardware from some obscure Manufacturer that no one ever Heard of.

Linux is for NEET virgins though

>>60192040
Only if it happens overnight, else nothing will change.

>>60192040
srsly y?
to save 20$ on a windows licence?
because running proprietary games on free software
and thinking you have a benefit regarding muh freedoms?

Or do you want to see the N+1 retarded Desktop Environment happening?
I don't get the "revolution thing" because there is none.
Even normies use *buntu linux and don't give a shit.
It's more a home for the chrome installation.

The only thing is to see a better driver support happening.
But i doubt it'll be in form of FOSS drivers instead of blobs.
And then you end up with a big shitpile of blobs,
all in all not better than a proprietary system.

>>60242239
>srsly y?
>to save 20$ on a windows licence?
Microsoft are going to lock down the windows platform, they will do it slowly by degrading non UWP programs rather than banning them. The average windows home user generates very little money for MS they don't have much to lose if they screw it up.

>>60192040
>Windows 10 S restrictions will get circumvented, or it will fail miserably like RT
>Everything goes back to normal

I wish Valve had just implemented something like "play on Linux" in Steam, for games that don't have native versions, it could have padded the library by quite a bit.
Vulcan is the one thing that could really help Linux gaming because OpenGL performance sucks ass. If games run worse why would anyone bother with Linux as a gaming OS?
And even then you'd still be left with no EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar etc. games because they are assholes and will not bother with Linux support ever.

>>60242239
>But i doubt it'll be in form of FOSS drivers instead of blobs.

AMD's best drivers on any platform are the open source drivers on Linux. A bunch of companies are currently spending money improving them, probably for the rumored second-gen Steam Machines which will supposedly have a single hardware architecture.

Only Nvidia are still on proprietary drivers.

>>60242575
>I wish Valve had just implemented something like "play on Linux" in Steam, for games that don't have native versions

Then there would have been no native versions, and every problem that cropped up would have been an issue for Valve's QA instead of the original developers.
Plus Wine is approaching the point where it would no longer be very useful for Windows compatibility as Microsoft is shifting over to a new UWP-only world.

Plus even if they did use Wine its still well behind native performance, and its developers continue to reject superior solutions for DirectX compatibility like Gallium Nine. Even their new D3D11 support using OpenGL 2 compatibility mode features which essentially blocks any driver but Nvidia's from working and as a result still suffers from massive performance degradations.
Don't expect them to adopt new Vulkan based D3D11 or below solutions either, since the Wine devs make their money off of MacOS users who don't have access to Vulkan.

>>60243490
It's good as a stop-gap measure than having no (easy) way to play these games at all.
Right now people have to install the Windows version of Steam in Wine.

>Don't expect them to adopt new Vulkan based D3D11 or below solutions either
;_;

>>60243549
>It's good as a stop-gap measure than having no (easy) way to play these games at all.
If the devs want to use it that way there's nothing stopping them. There are a few older games on Steam that are wine bottles, and with Windows retiring win32 in the not too distant future that will probably become a common thing in much the same way that every classic DOS game today is sold with DOSbox pre-configured for it.

>wintards try to install Linux.
>they can't do it unless it's pre installed
>stay on windows with shitty windows store

>>60239883
i just need browser,vlc and gba emu

and steam for doto2

>>60192040
>non-free software in my GNU/Linux
No

>>60192267
*more non-free software

I was hoping for something like that with The Witcher 2 on linux and Crytek hiring Linux programmers.
Then TW3 came only for Windows and the hope was dead.
There WAS a window of hope in 2012-1014, but it closed.
Maybe if Android becomes more and more laptop-capable, we will see something like this.

>>60239883
>webkit

>>60239205
It's true though, probably much more software than windows.
I am talking about software of quality, not yet another registry cleaner.

>>60244739
non-free

>>60244739
Developers got excited about the prospects, but then seemed to just fall back in their old habits of ignoring standards, coding for a single platform, and not testing all platforms through development.

If Valve can get devs to adopt Vulkan that will help a lot, and maybe we'll more special edition updates for games using Vulkan, but as with Doom publishers like Zenimax could still block developers from releasing versions for other platforms.