/pcbg/ - PC Building General

All this time without pcbg? Christ, people should take the initiative and just create the thread on their own

>>60155599
>should I go intel or Ryzen?
Depends on your usage and budget

>>60154070
>But it will be on Wii U because the optimizations haven't caught up to AMD's shit per core performance on a higher end machine like Wii U vs ancient PS2 and Wii
Not sure what you're on about, Ryzen runs cemu well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAnyFmU7bPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVtQ9dWTUP8

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>tfw I upgraded to a CPU cooler that is rated to 360 watts of cooking.
>for an i5
At stock speeds it doesn't even go above 50C under maximum load.

>>60156787
do you at least overclock

Sapphire Pulse or Nitro+?

>>60156845
What's the price difference between the two?
If the pulse is within $10~ then sure, otherwise it's not really worth it

I'm going to build a mid-tier PC for my cousin's son, all he wants to do is to play some videogames. I'm assuming a 1500x/570 4gb will be more than enough for his needs right ?

>>60156898
Yes, even a 1400 wouldn't do any difference to him. Rx 570 also handles 1080 like a champ, assuming not running the game at maximum possible settings

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>>60156787

>50c
>on a stock clocked i5

lololololololol sure is housefire in here.

Is ryzen 1600x enough for gaming on latest games or is 100$ more for ryzen 1700 (not x) worth it?

>>60156962
Going from R5 1600(x) to R7 1700 would actually decrease performance in gaming (though only very slightly), the R7 1700 isn't stronger: it just has more cores. It's more suited for heavy multitaskers and HEDT (content creation) crowd.

R5 1600(x) is not enough for gaming, it's great at it. Priced similarly to the i5s and reach only 60 ~ 70% cpu usage while the i5s reach 85 - 95%+ pretty often.

Going R5 1600 instead of 1600x is generally a better choice because 1. the 1600x is is just a cooler-less higher clocked version of the r5 1600 and 2. the 1600 can reach very very close clocks, and the cooler it comes is decent enough for slight overclocks (which you can always upgrade down the road to reach R5 1600x clocks)

>>60156962
The 1600X is a lot faster in games than a non-overclocked 1700...

>>60156989
>>60156993

Thanks for helpful response, anons

Im gonna get rx 480, is xfx gtr good or should i get some other version? And can i use hyper tx3 evo cooler which i already have for 1600x?

Thanks in advance

>>60156989
>suited for HEDT
>12 and 16 cores coming at high stock clocks
It's more like.. MEDT. HEDT for 3 years ago.

>Going R5 1600 instead of 1600x is generally a better choice because
Yeah but you can find 1600X on sale. 1600 I've only seen on sale once, at Jet. They raised the price after they sold out immediately once they got them back in stock. They're selling above MSRP at Amazon and some others.
So if you want to use a if cooler like I did, just waiting for a 1600X to drop on sale makes sense.

>>60157013
XFX GTR is the best RX480 if you see it on sale. But you could get a Red Devil GS or GTR-S RX580 which are a bit better.

>>60157013
>And can i use hyper tx3 evo cooler
you're going to need a bracket for that, you can get one from cooler master but although the bracket in itself is free, i'm fairly sure the shipping fees aren't
http://www.coolermaster.com/amd-am4-ryzen-compatability/en/

>is xfx gtr good
it is, though the msi one is better. But we're talking barely 1% higher fps and 2% higher clocks, so make your decision based on price. Have you considered the RX 580? It's a better version of the RX 480, it performs decently more though it also uses more power in the process. You should be able to find it at close or identical prices.

right so i'm after a cheap gaming build but i wanna go ultrawide so would a g4560 and an rx570 be a good combo? or should i wait for ryzen 3? only really play light games

>>60157072
g4560 is good, not really sure about the rx 570. What games in particular?

>>60157078
counter strike global offensive, league of legends, the heaviest i'll play will probably be skyrim

>>60157093
oh, then yeah it'll be pretty great for sure

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>>60156801
Yes to 4.4ghz. Sadly I still get 80C because Intel fucked over everyone by using a shitty TIM, but it's much quiter than what I had before.

>>60156943
doubt.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFXetkP22lE
This is with a h100i water cooler.

>>60156863
Normally about 20 to 30.

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>>60157131
>Yes to 4.4ghz. Sadly I still get 80C

>>60157141
Then yeah, not worth it at all for what it is

I'm a bit torn on what GPU to get for my Ryzen 1600 build. Where I live (CZ,EU), 1060/6gb and 580/8gb cost the same.
Historically I've had shitton of problems with AMD GPU drivers to the point of frequent BSODs and not being able to play some games because of them. But these times I hear that the nVidia drivers are the more fucked ones and that the cards don't cooperate well with Ryzens, although I haven't seen any actual benchmark backing the latter.

Any advice, links to look at?

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>>60157145
I have a 3d printed a delid tool that building up the courage to use. (when my warranty is done and Zen2+ is available).

I also think I have lost the silicon lottery :(

Hey guys, I currently have an i5 3570K and an AMD Radeon 7950. I was looking to upgrade to a new motherboard with an i5 7600K and GTX 1070. But after reading some of the things in last night's thread I'm not so sure now, some said the i5 is bottle-necking the 1070, but I can't find any evidence of this after watching loads of benchmarks and tests. I'll mostly use the new build for gaming and browsing, maybe some light CAD work in the future. Currently live in UK and the new mobo, CPU, graphics card and Ram is looking to set me back around £900, so I'd really like to make sure I'm getting something that sets me up well enough for the future. Built my currently build in 2012 and it's lasted me a good 5 years with no issues.

Thanks for any help!

So, just in the process of tinkering with my R5 1600 build.

With the stock cooler I was able to run the CPU at 1.25v, 3.8ghz. With prime95 I reached 85 degrees stable.

With the B350 board I wasn't able to reach 3200mhz on the RAM and instead could only get a POST with 2400mhz.

+1 for ryzen 5

>>60157161
Just game on Windows? Both are ok. Game on Linux get Nvidia for now. Need support for deep learning or niche GPU technology go Nvidia. CUDA has way more backing in the academic community.

>>60157200
>With the stock cooler I was able to run the CPU at 1.25v, 3.8ghz. With prime95 I reached 85 degrees stable.
Wow, impressive

>With the B350 board I wasn't able to reach 3200mhz on the RAM and instead could only get a POST with 2400mhz.
Which board? I also have the same problem on my asus prime b350m-a, funnily enough before the agesa update i was able to reach 2666MHz and even 2900 once. Currently waiting this month's agesa update

>>60157197
No the i5 will probably not bottle neck the GPU. If you are doing a full update right now strongly consider a ryzen build. AMD finally reached parity on speed and still have 'more cores' which makes them the undisputed leader in everything not super CPU bound. (Emulation, badly optimized games, etc)

>>60157212
MSI B350 PC MATE

3/3/2017 BIOS. I ordered some different sticks (trident z) which are pretty affordable and have greater compatibility than my current corsair vengeance sticks

>>60157161
I would recommend the rx580
>newer card
>more / longer support
>AMD drivers are better than Nvidia's right now.

t. gtx980 owner
>>60157206
Also what he said. I got my card specifically for Nvidia's CUDA technology that helps me with rendering in PTC Cero and finite element analysis with ANSYS.

>>60157206
Use cases are DAW on Windows, dev work on Linux, games on both. I know dualbooting is frowned upon on this board, but It Works For Me™

>>60157197
i5s in today's games regularly go above 85% cpu usage, which can even go up to 95~100% during spikes. You can see it in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0oSYTP24rU
And many others. R5 1600 are always recommended instead of i5 precisely because of this.
Sure, you can overclock the i5 to counter this, but you'll still be at 80+% usage and the R5 1600 actually doesn't need to even be overclocked at all to avoid 100% usage. 6 cores 12 threads vs 4 cores 4 threads, heh

>>60157251
>AMD drivers are better than Nvidia's right now.
He already read that, but he said he wanted to know where he could check if it's actually true
Just saying "they are better, trust me" is not a really good proof

>>60157197
WTF ARE YOU DOING NIGGER
>buying an i5
>2017
>"future proofing" when an R5 1600 has 3X the threads and intels next generation i5 is rumoured to have 6 cores

>>60157240
>>60157263

Thanks for the info, I've looked into the Ryzen 5 1600X which costs a little more than the 7600K here. Looking at some benchmarks it seems that the Ryzen is a great CPU, but given that I'll mostly be using for gaming do you feel it'll give me some real-world advantages over the i5?

Also, I heard some people saying the Ryzen has some compatability issues with the 1070, is this true or am I being trolled by intel fans?

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Hows this look?
Its a build for a console fag friend who wanted to spend this much.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8zqW7h

>>60157290

hmmm you make a good point bro, might be time for me to consider upping my cores. Thing is on a lot of the benchmarks I'm not seeing the 1600X outperform the 7600K by that much on average frame rate, though it does stay above the 7600K when it comes to lowest average framerate. Would an i7 7700K be the better choice?

>>60157093
Overkill, then. An RX560 should get like 150fps fine in CSGO

>>60157251
I'm going AMD, but I plan on helping openCL development so I'm niche there.
>>60157253
Probably can get away with either, especially if you play mostly indie shit on Linux. Not helpful in making a choice, but really you just need to look at raw power per dollar which will change if you can find a moderate sale.
>>60157298
If you don't close applications before going into game mode it will benefit you greatly. Games still have shit multithreading support but increased threading let's you not have to worry about that Firefox window or music player you have in the background fucking up your fps. That's probably the biggest real world case people will run into. I can't speak to the 1070 issues, I don't have one.

>>60157161
People still get driver issues with AMD cards where it'll crash because the card is unstable and you need to RMA and stuff.
Same thing happens with Nvidia cards.
You can't avoid it by getting one or the other. It's simply luck.
But the average experience, when things work normally with either, is much better for AMD.

>>60157298
>I've looked into the Ryzen 5 1600X which costs a little more than the 7600K here

You should get an R5 1600, it comes with a cooler (and a decent one at that) and is much cheaper. I made an explanation of why it's a better choice than the R5 1600x here: >>60156989

>but given that I'll mostly be using for gaming do you feel it'll give me some real-world advantages over the i5?
Yes. Nearing 100% usage is something that happens for i5 and not for the 1600, that's the main advantage right there. Also, the fact that you won't need to close anything before starting your games, no need to worry about X programs using your CPU to much.

>Also, I heard some people saying the Ryzen has some compatability issues with the 1070, is this true or am I being trolled by intel fans?
It's a problem with 6 cores cpus and nvidia drivers, that happens in very few games (so far rocket league and rise of the tomb raider). It consists of the GPU being under-utilized resulting in lower framerates.

>>60157372
I like how we have reached parity now with both being kind of shit.

>>60157312
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8zqW7h
please get him at least a 1080 and a not-Seagate HDD
otherwise looks ok

>>60157197
>hey guys I have 4c/4t
>I'm looking to sidegrade to a not even 20% better 4c/4t
WHY
What the fuck goes through people's head to do this? It makes no fucking sense.

>>60157374

Thanks for the info, I'm wondering if I go for an AMD if I should wait for the Vega before settling on a 1070.

I will usually close all applications before running any games, but as you said the fact the 7600K is hitting 100% CPU usage in games in general is clearly not a good thing.

Man when I built my PC back in 2012 I was very set on what I wanted, but the Ryzen has made me reconsider alot of times this time around.

>>60157400

I get that more cores and threads will lead to a better experience in general, but in various benchmarks the 7600K far outperforms my current 3570K, so it would definitely still be an upgrade. Though it does look like the Ryzen would lead to a better CPU experience in general at the moment.

>>60157312
I think it looks good, some people will dislike the presence of seagate because they used to be very notorious for having enormous hard drive failure rate. It's not much the case anymore for most of their recent hard drive, but their 4TB ones do suffer a lot still from it, and overall have slightly higher failure rates than other manufacturers

>>60157200
You tried manually putting in looser timings and you still couldn't get 2666 or 2800?
3.8 on 1.25 is really good, though. I don't think Prime95 is enough of a torture test since it doesn't test all instructions, though. But I'm not sure what's really ideal either.

>>60157312
It's just not worth the GSync idiot tax to get a 1070. At least step up to a 1080 to make the monitor cost slightly more worthwhile.

>>60157436
>a CPU that's stock clocked to 85% of its potential is better than a CPU that's only stock clocked to 75% of its potential
hm....
makes u think.
And apparently you haven't looked at enough benchmarks since you don't see how inconsistent the lower end FPS of the 7600k is and what a stuttering mess it is. But I guess you have shit eyes since you have a 3570k, think it's fine, and just want to waste money on a slightly better one.

Is m.2 a meme? Regarding loading times for applications and vidya
Assuming you already have an SSD

>>60157413
Vega releases june 31th at the very worst so waiting is not out of qhestion
About the nvidia 6cores+ problem though, i personally don't think it's that much of an issue. It's been noticed in two games so far and even then it wasn't dogshit performance (180 fps in rocket league -> 110, 100 in ROTR -> 70). But if you don't mind waiting for Vega then sure, nothing wrong with it

>>60157413
If for some reason you are buying in may, maybe wait for Vega. We know it's going to be at least $300+ by the price of the 580 cards and early benchmarks put it around a 1080. It's probably going to generate a ton of antihype when it comes out unless it's priced super low.

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>>60157469
Anon, stop bullying people. He is already considering the R5 1600 over the 7600k, not sure what you're on about.

>>60157476
read the OP

>>60157469

I have actually mentioned the 7600K's lower performance at the bottom percentile of the fps benchmarks I've seen. But again, it's still a pretty significant upgrade compared to my current CPU. Either way I'm going to look into the Ryzen for the time being, hopefully they can iron out some of the issues it's had with Nvidia cards and bad optimisation for games.

>>60157476
M.2 is a meme in real world tests right now. Its less of a meme where size is at an absolute premium.

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>>60157263
>>60157206
The proofs are in Nvidia's own driver release notes.

While all of their graphics cards still get updates, the 900 series don't/aren't getting performance optimisations that the 1000 series are receiving, even-though it is still considered "current gen" and not "legacy" :(

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>>60157131

>doubt.jpg

>>60157492
Because he said "in benchmarks blah blah" ignoring that the 7600k is clocked higher but they don't OC much more differently.

They're two 4c/4t CPUs with similar IPC. The 7600k is not worth the "upgrade" cost for someone coming from an Athlon x2 or E8500, let alone someone that already has a 3570k.

>>60157497
AGAIN: it's not a significant upgrade. A significant upgrade would simply be overclocking your 3570k or getting an R5.

>>60157492

Yeah could have a look into the 1600, seems to be the best choice for an AMD gaming CPU. Plus it wouldn't be bad having the freedom to have multiple applications open at once.

>>60157480
>>60157478

Those benchmarks are still quite good even with the 1070 issue desu. I'm looking to build this thing after the end of May, when my final exams are over and I can really take some time to do this properly, but was considering purchasing everything beforehand so it's there and ready.

Maybe an AMD Ryzen with the new Vega card could be the best way forward

>>60157535

I'm assuming you meant getting an i7, which is something I've considered too.

>>60157516
where is the 1050 Ti in that list

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Yea or nah?

Also what's the sweet spot for DDR4 speed? Is 2133/2400 fine or should I try to get 3000/3200?

>>60157556
Getting higher memory speed would make your ryzen cpu perform better, but whether it's not or not depends heavily on the price. I can see that your 2400MHz ram cost $97, how much do a 3000Mhz one go for?

>>60157525
Have AMD Ryzen Master open for actual temps, also what CPU cooler are you using?

Ladies (male) and Gentlemen, I present to you...
The Freebie aka London
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gpZ6Fd

>>60157594
epic

>>60157577
I can't seem to find stuff faster than 2400 in the 2 x 4 variety so I would have to step it up to 16GB. There's a 3000 set of 2 x 8 for $185. Worth?

>>60157556

Ryzen officially supports 2666mhz ram (unlike Intel which tends to cap out at 2133mhz - though some chips support 2400mhz) so anything less than that is a waste of time.

>>60157585

HWinfo reports temps correctly - I don't even have ryzen master installed because fuck software overclocking. Pstates all day baby!

I'm using the silver arrow SB-E (not the extreme version) which is a cooler that hangs with the D15 for performance.

>>60157594
How much was the duct tape to strap that together?

>>60157594
>paying for wangblows

shizoop dimbongadoop

>>60157617
more than my CPU cooler
I wish I was joking

>>60157610
In what country are you exactly?

>>60157637
aus

>>60157644
seems overly expensive, not worth double the price
Try to get 2600MHz 2x4GB if you can find any at a close price

Fuck it lads, upgrade guy here, I think I'm going to get the Ryzen 1600. Now just need to figure out what to do about the graphics card. Also, I'm assuming Windows 7 won't transfer over to the new build without any issues will it.

>>60157013
I would recommend a 580 over a 480. Bout the same price as the 480 was and is newer, and gets better performance. But both are OK. 580 is better though.

>>60157698
microsoft locked any update from being downloaded to w7 or kaby-lake, though someone made a workaround. And you need to somehow get the usb drivers on the windows install otherwise your mouse and keyboard will not work. It's possible but really annoying

>>60157722
>from being downloaded to w7 or kaby lake
on kaby lake, & ryzen*

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>>60157548
hmm. It doesn't seem to be in either.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware
https://www.nvidia.com/page/legacy.html
Probably just a typo it should be in hardware.

>>60157615
>HWinfo reports temps correctly
Nope I don't trust any temp reading done by anything other than Ryzen master because of the """""""offset""""""". Also that's a nice cooler. The one I got is a thermalright true spirit 140 which has about the same perfromance :)

>>60157757
>because of the """""""offset""""""".
?

>>60157722

Ok thanks for the heads up, I might just get a cracked copy of Windows 7 ripped to a CD before upgrading. I really don't want to go to Windows 10.

Also, I looked at some tests for the stock cooler that comes with the Ryzen 1600, looks like a Cooler Master 212 outperforms it quite alot, especially with overclocking. So might it be worth getting the 1600X with a third party cooler just to allow some better overclocking in the future?

>>60157793
Ryzen reported higher temps on a hardware level to improve compatibility. Stupid benchmarkers don't have a clue how hardware works and report ryzen is a house fire.

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>>60157338
>average frame rate
I seriously hope you don't fall for this meme.

I challenge eveyone in /g/ to run the built in benchmark of Metro Last Light so we can get more data and see which processor(s) are truly the best for goyiming.

>>60157821

I've decided on a Ryzen 1600/1600X lol

>>60157757
>>60157811

You're a dipshit you know that right? The non-X ryzen parts don't have an offset (like my 1700). The X parts do so your cooling ramps up to give the thermal headroom for XFR.

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Been looking to replace my case, currently rocking a silencio 352. But the fans seem to get noisey and the cooling isn't too great with the added extra fans.

Right now I'm using the two stock fans it came with and two 1500rpm bequiet fans on my scythe mugen 4 and the fans that came with the cpu are being used as outtake fans.

Considering the define r5 or h440 from nzxt atm, window would be cool but not exactly necessary.

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>>60157811
To be fair the the i5, a lot of the suttering is caused by SSAO, turning it off helps a lot.

>>60157873
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/780788-Overclocking-Ryzen-1700-w-ASUS-Crosshair-VI-Hero-Incorrect-temps-and-voltages
Nope.
>Overclocking Ryzen 1700 w/ ASUS Crosshair VI Hero - Incorrect temps and voltages
>I have a Kraken x62, so I expected low temps, but Ryzen Master and ROG AI Suite 3 are showing steady temps between 16°C - 22°C at idle. Most other programs are displaying 0°C or nothing at all.
>I'm kinda having the same problem. I can't trust the temperatures at all, because it is reporting 28°C under Prime 95 @3,8 Ghz with 1,355v.
Cooler is a Corsair H110i on an R7 1700
What did they mean by this?

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>buy 1080 gaymen x
>coil whines like ur mum yesterday
How long is RMA on this garbage

>>60157988

Between BIOS updates (i'm running 0083) and updates to HWinfo tctl is the correct temperature. There is no skew enabled in my bios.

Is it worth spending 100€+ for a GTX 1070 instead of a 1060 6GB?

>>60156749
convince me to drop the 1600 to a 1500x /pcbg/
building this computer for a nephew who is just gonna use it for gaming but i just can't see why i would drop 2 cores and 4 threads for £30.

>>60158018
Depends.
Generally, if you have to ask, the answer is no.
What games do you play at what refresh rate and settings?

>>60158031
Right now I don't play anything because my PC is too shit, but I want to play the new games that are out and are coming out. Should be 60fps minimum and I have a 2560x1440 monitor. Can the 1060 6GB handle that?

>>60158066
Not at max settings.
GTX 1070 is indeed the better choice in your case

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Hey /pcbg/ I'm looking to build my first ever gaming PC. I'd like to know, is there anything outstandingly bad about this build from reddit's pcmasterrace wiki? I'm obviously a poorfag but I'm looking for something at least better than the current gen consoles. I could go little higher in my budget but not much. Sorry if there is already a consensus about these builds, I'm unaware.

>>60158100
It's a good poorfag build but if you can you should aim for better, this build isn't going to last very long.

>>60158148
Yeah I'm thinking I ought to hold out maybe. Do you mean won't last long as in the parts will become obsolete quickly?

>>60158100
>1050Ti
get an RX570 and a not-Seagate HDD and it's ok for the next year or two.

>>60158171
>will become obsolete quickly?
Yes. Read the OP for good current parts depending on budget

everyone describes rx580 as power reactor tier gpu, that would heat the whole house with it's tdp. is that true?

>>60157970
>But the fans seem to get noisey and the cooling isn't too great with the added extra fans.
Diminishing returns, this video explains it quite well https://youtu.be/8OmkmluAYAQ?t=6m27s.

I prefer the aesthetics of the h440 tbqhwy.

>>60158016
>all those BIOS updates
This is why I'm WAIT™ing for Zen2.

>>60158100
Try buying a secondhand PC or shopping around for last gen/ sandy bridge parts.
This guy does budget builds all the time, check some of videos out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUzjKyS5r72bfvPkA6GxpRg

If you want to play the WAIT™ing game, Ryzen R3 is Right-Around-the-Corner(c)

>>60157610
>>60157664
why the hell would you get 2x4? It's generally slower.

>>60157821
While Metro has decent benchmark recording stuff, I'm not sure it's a good test.

>>60158100
>$130 for a 1050Ti
An RX570 is over 50% faster for only $40-$50 more.
Yes the G4560 will bottleneck the RX570, but still it's worth it.

>>60158231
>why the hell would you get 2x4? It's generally slower.
>dual channel is slower

>>60158229

Thanks for your input, but as you can see from the pics it's a very cramped case.

Also, I found out that the CPU fan is actually making the most noise since it's always at 1400-1500RPM.

Trying to figure out whether I can do some type of curve, I do have a fan controller (fairly simple scythe one). But I can't seem to control it from within the gigabyte app center (other fans I can control fine just the CPU keeps at max speed).

>>60158231
>>60158194
Yep cheers I am definitely willing to spend a little more on a video card if it means a better lifespan.

>>60158229
Thanks man I will check that out. Would rather at least try build my own ideally over buying second hand but yeah.

what is /pcbg/s opinion of the fractal design nano S

>>60158066
1070 is the king of 1440p

>>60157354
Ultrawide he's better off with the 570 IMO.

>>60157476
SATA M.2 is fine - it is priced comparatively to SATA 2.5" and has comparable performance.

NVME / PCI-E M.2 is a meme and provides virtually no benefit in the types of read/writes (loading software, saving images/games etc) that 99% of users do, despite being almost 2x the price.

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>>60157821
R7 1700, R9 280
1920 x 1080, Very High quality, everything else default
intel stutter fest confirmed

>>60158216
It's less than 200W, so hardly housefire-tier unless you get one with REALLY terrible cooler.

>>60158427
i should note: sapphire dual x r9 280 at default clocks, R7 1700 boost disabled at 3.3GHz

>>60158253
Oh I thought you were saying 4 sticks of 2. I misread rofl.

>>60158308
You could go mATX and get a cheaper case like the $20 Rosewill SRM-01. Better looking than that case too, imo.

>>60158427
Hm the min to max variance per second is much lower, but there's still quite some dips over multiple seconds. Smooth frame-to-frame at least.
I'm guessing the GPU really bottlnecks, though.

>>60158348
It's pretty big for a mITX case, but otherwise it is great.

>>60158427
>everything else default
Please turn SSAO on and run it again plz. This is an i5 with SSAO off but everything else set to max>>60157988
Also if you have time could you do another run with SSAO on and tessellation set to max.

>>60158427
>barely hitting 60 fps average and staying below 40 fps for 25 seconds of a 170s test in a 4 years old game.
Bravo, amd

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>>60158460
>Hm the min to max variance per second is much lower, but there's still quite some dips over multiple seconds. Smooth frame-to-frame at least.
>I'm guessing the GPU really bottlnecks, though.
Hell yeah, look at how it runs with everything on max

>>60158479
k, doing it

>>60158496
not sure what you're on about, you can try putting it's competitor the gtx 960 in the same benchmark and it will shit the bed much worse

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thoughts?
gaming and probably music producing and video editing
1080p60hz
will this build last me around 5-6 years?

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>>60158479
getting severly bottlenecked by my gpu, everything max but ssaa disabled

>>60158539
Yep, you should be perfectly fine with that build for quite a while at 1080p.

Which case for good airflow while looking fairly minimal at the front? White or metallic color preferred.

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Hey /pcbg/. I'm looking at buying a second hand custom build, pictured here. Now pardon my ignorance, but is it kosher to have no case like this guy has done? Wouldn't the components get super dusty or something? By the way his asking price is $540AUD (that's about $400 US)

Also these are the specs he's listed. Anyone willing to give them a look would be much appreciated:

> Runs amazing.
> 3.7 ghz i3-6100
> Asus z170-p d3 motherboard.
> Multiple usb 3.
> 10GB ddr3 ram.
> 2GB Asus 750 ti Oc gpu.
> Maelstrom liquid cooler.
> SanDisk ssd.
> 1tb hard drive.
> Windows 10 pro with legit
> All new parts, except the case.
> All disks for drivers also.

What kind of monitor can one get to take advantage of G Sync with a 1070?

>>60158580
How much cooling do you need?

Most cases these days with 2x120mm fans are more than adequate even if the whole thing isn't made out of vents.

I don't know a lot of white cases off the top of my head - Define R4 and R5 are the first that come to mind and they normally have adequate cooling.

>>60158509
>Hell yeah, look at how it runs with everything on max
Jesus.

>>60158553
Atleast we can confirm that Ryzen is looking much smoother and has more consistent frames. Apart from the GPU bottle neck in the last half of the test.

Anon could you please do one more run with with everything set to low or off, in 1080p?

>>60158593
it's a fine build but i personally wouldn't buy that because if you want to upgrade to the newest cpus you'd have to buy both a new mobo, new ram & new cpu. Up to you thought, it will still do fine in gaming and is somewhat cheap.

>>60158621
Not much. Enough for convenient overpressure through filters to keep dust at bay.

>>60158612
Get at 1440p IPS or VA.

>>60158646
Most anything will do then - almost all ATX cases will fit multiple 120mm+ fans.

Fractal Design R4, R5 or Corsair Carbine 400C are places to start looking.

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>>60158637
1080p, lowest settings

>>60157970
Fucking terrible cable management. It would be cooled more efficiently if you fixed that

>>60158539
1. change hdd to another model
2. go with rx 580 8gb
3. that combo has pretty shit ram, it would be better if it was at least 2666mhz

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>>60158707
Ok, this is my i5 4670k using the same settings. ram @ 2400mhz and GTX980.

The i5 is fluctuating 40fps! While Ryzen is only fluctuating 20pfs, Clearly Ryzen delivers better frametimes and doesn't drop frames as much.

The white drops in your graph are due to Crossfire/driver issues,

Thx Anon for the help.

>>60158891
this is pretty interesting because i'm running below boost clockspeed (with boost disabled), i wonder how it could run at default clockspeed with boost enabled
but i'm too tired to do another run

>due to Crossfire
i'm running a single card anon, sapphire dual-x is just the name

Rx 480 or gtx 1060 6gb? Cpu is ryzen

>>60158926
Oh ok, probably an issue with physx. From what I remember, at around 40 seconds is when the camera goes to the bridge, and there is a banner with heaps of tessellation + physx

>>60158979
rx580 unless it's much more expensive than 480

>>60159070
No dont buy rx500 line cards you clot
They draw more power for no real performance gains
Its a bad refresh

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>>60159116
retard. it also uses less power in idle
also if you underclock a 580 you literally get 480.

>>60159206
Seems like a shit test. Other tests I've seen show the RX580s using less power at idle and while just watching youtube or whatever.

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>>60159281
that's what i meant.

there's literally no reason to buy rx480 if the 580 costs the same.

16GB (2x8 GB) 2400hz RAM.

should I go intel or Ryzen?

>>60159316
depends on usage and budget

>>60159364
Mainly gaming and $1000.

>>60159371
going for an ryzen 5 1600 build would make more sense than an intel build then

>>60159316
Maybe.

>>60156749
Is this a good 1080p build or should I scrap it and start over? I mostly play older games and roguelikes, if that helps. I'm trying to not spend much over $1k.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tX36Fd

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Poorfag here again. I have one more question regarding my first gaming PC build. Based on the feedback you guys have given me in the thread, does the pictured look like a decent build for my entry-level needs?

It shares much of the same basic specs as my earlier post here >>60158100
BUT, it has the RX570 instead as was suggested to me, also a substitution of the seagate drive for a samsung one

These prices are in AUD, so it's only about ~$100 USD more than my original post, which is basically my max budget ;_;

P.S. Would it be worth waiting out for the Ryzen 3? Also do I need to know the meaning of 'parametric filter' regarding my choices?

Thankyou /pcbg/, I'm a helpless scrub

>>60159620
That PSU seems expensive even for australia. Are thre not other semi-modular for cheaper?
Or a 500GB+ SSD for the price of the SSD+HDD combined or do you really need over 1TB immediately?

Also 2400 RAM if cheaper. B250 can't use over 2400.

>>60159609
Yes, it's good. Will you actually make use of the 500GB though?

>>60159620
>Would it be worth waiting out for the Ryzen 3?
It'd definitely be much much better than what you plan indeed, the problem is that we have no idea when will Ryzen 3 come out.
By adding $44 and ditching the SSD, you'd get a R5 1400x build that would definitely last much longer than the pentium you want to get, the pentium would be dragging the 470 down quite noticeably, but that seems to be too much for your budget. An AM4 / whatever next intel socket is would be a much better choice because LGA 1151 is quite dead, so new cpus are gonna be released on it, so if you're gonna upgrade your cpu from the pentium in 1 - 2 years then you'd be locked into old not very worth CPUs.

Why the semi-modular PSU though? Good cable management is easy even with a non-modular one, you just need to actually make an effort while building it to make sure that cable are all routed properly. You could save some money on there.

>>60156749
IF the R570 is so good, why can't I find a single fucking review of it on any site that sells them? I want to believe they are good, but there are literally no reviews. Am I expected to just trust blindly?

>>60159802
because it's a new card that isn't particularly popular like the gtx 1070 or 1080 cards are
also, it's just a 470 with better silicon, user reviews that apply to the 470 also apply to the rx 570

>>60159973
What does the silicone bring to the table?

>>60160049
The RX 470 and 480 couldn't be oc'd very high because it would require a lot more of voltage. The 570 and 580's better silicon allow to reach those high clocks with quite a lot less voltage than the RX 470 and 480, though it's still gonna use more power draw in the end because of the hgih clocks. But if you underclock & undervolt them you can get the same performance for less power draw and heat.

>>60160114
thanks, that was really helpful. I appreciate it.

>>60159720
>will you actually use the 500 GB though?
It's not that expensive so I thought I'd go ahead and buy the bigger drive.

>>60160200
Well if you're fine with the price then sure go for it, but i doubt your games will either benefit from it or even take enough space to justify it over a 256GB

>>60157476
I'll say this.

I have two Samsung SSD. One M.2 NVME and one SATA. Before I upgraded I had windows on the SATA but then reinstall to the nvme, it loads windows slower now on a faster CPU and RAM

Its meh.

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Are higher clockspeeds on GPU's worth?
Is hybrid cooling worth considering over a fans?
I have 670 euros and looking to buy a 1080

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>>60160500
If you can afford to overclock the card to get better fps then yes, it's worth
>Is hybrid cooling worth considering over a fans?
if you want to overclock like a madman, yes
otherwise if it's just for cooling purpose, there's no point

>>60159802
Because refreshes aren't hugely exciting.

>>60160500
Higher clock speeds on the same transistors? As in overclocking? Yes, at least in a cool climate where the heating isn't a drawback.

>Is hybrid cooling worth considering over a fans?
No. You'll reach the limits of the VRMs before you reach the limits on air cooling the GPU.

Few questions:

Plan on going with WD Blue but compared to Seagates or other shit it has only 5400rpm. Doesn't that mean it will be much slower?

Does it matter which RX580 brand to go with or should I just go for the cheapest option?

Which MOBO to go with Ryzen 1700? Looking for budgety options.

Which RAM to go with above? Will all RAMs work at 3200Mhz speeds eventually thanks to BIOS updates?

Is there any cases that are similar to the Silverstone TJ08 in SIZE and LOOKS? this is one of the only mATX cases that I can find that actually looks good and isn't fuckheug at the same time.

I love the classic sleek look but I hear there's a few issues with it that make it annoying or not that great of a case anymore since it's release in 2011. there was a Silverstone TJ08 pro in the works but never happened unfortunately

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>>60160996
forgot pic related

>>60160990
>Doesn't that mean it will be much slower?
yes, don't get one
>Does it matter which RX580 brand to go with or should I just go for the cheapest option?
the difference are rarely worth the price, go cheapest

>Which MOBO to go with Ryzen 1700? Looking for budgety options
any $100 b350 one does a good job even for oc'ing

>Which RAM to go with above? Will all RAMs work at 3200Mhz speeds eventually thanks to BIOS updates?
Ram with samsung b die are usually the best for hgih frequency. Memory improvements will happen but there is no saying that absolutely all 3200Mhz speed will work with any mobo & cpu, it seems to be pretty random in the first place

About to purchase a 1600X + ASSRock X370 Taichi, however I have a question for you /pcbg/. If I look into the CPU compatibility list, the 1600X is only listed as compatible since BIOS version P1.60

How do I know what version the motherborad will ship with? What do in case it's on an earlier BIOS version? Is there any way to upgrade the BIOS without a CPU?

Seems like the motherboard is out of stock on Newegg anyway, so, I suppose that when it will be, it will be newer stock, therefore on a more recent BIOS version

>>60161251
1600x will work fine with the mobo even on base bios, don't worry, otherwise every single people with a 1600(x) would have complained about the total impossibility to boot a 1600x, which is obviously not the case.
No, you can't upgrade the bios without a CPU.

>>60161291
Alright, thanks. I remember people having similar problems with z170 motherboards and was a bit worried

Also, I'm pretty I read about some Asus motherboard that did offer BIOS flashing without a CPU, but I wasn't sure if it was a widespread thing nowadays.

>>60161369

>, I'm pretty I read about some Asus motherboard that did offer BIOS flashing without a CPU

Don't take it as gospel but I believe the crosshair hero supports it.

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>>60156749
Are B350 mobos at the point where the user can buy almost any 3000MHz DDR4 memory and run it at 2933?

Is rx 480 xfx gtr good? Or should i go with msi

I'm having a hard time deciding between the 2
>i5 2500k for $150 (i7 3770k for about $300)
>i7 3820 for $300
for motherboards
>z77 for about $250
>x79 for about $350

My main concern currently is in regards to reliability (buying used), as well as the performance benefit for having the 2500k, and maybe upgrading to 3770k in the future, or just skipping a potential future upgrade and going straight for the 3820

Also, as an aussie, is it worth it going for eBay, or would US Amazon be better (as long as it ships here)?
I'm currently a poorfag and trying not to go for an i5 7600k (example) for $350

>>60161927
this is fairly expensive for used, especially considering you could get a brand new r5 1600 + b350 mobo for a total of $420 which would perform better than both by quite the margin. Unless i'm missing something there.
Only problem is that it means buying DDR4 along with it, which will end up costing a lot if you didn't need to buy RAM in the first place

>>60161927
I don't see how an R5 1600 wouldn't be cheaper than that 7600k or 3820 option.
It's it like $150 AUD for a motherboard and $300 for the CPU?

>>60161927
Even with AUS prices it's retarded to pay that much for old parts. You could get R5+motherboard for the same price or even cheaper if you opt for a quadcore, not need to worry about getting a defective motherboard, and still get much better performance.

>>60162015
>>60162029
>>60162049

i5 2500k, asus p8z77-v, g.skill ddr3-2133 4x4GB = $550
r5 1600, msi b350 mate, adata ddr4-2800 4x4GB = $540
i5 7600k, msi z270 mate, adata ddr4-2800 4x4GB = $615
Main reason was shipping, because those are all excluding shipping, and buying from different shops, as opposed to the same one for each part (mind you, the case/gpu/hdd/cpu cooler are all the same) fucks the shipping hard
Looking at it, it'd probably be better going for Ryzen, unless all the housefire kabylake shit is indeed a meme
Cheers anyway lads

Should I get Asus PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4
or
MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4
as my motherboard?
Seems like the former is twice as good, but for some reason it costs only 8 pounds more

This will go with Ryzen 5 1600, if that matters

For the more technically minded anons it seems Agner has updated his optimisation guide.

http://www.agner.org/optimize/

>>60162242
>Looking at it, it'd probably be better going for Ryzen
yes, you should
>unless all the housefire kabylake shit is indeed a meme
at base clocks for non-K versions? not much, but K versions & oc'd are indeed housefires

>>60162243
the asus is much better indeed, if it onyl cost 8 pounds more you should go for it. OC better, (better vrm) 4 dimm slots, 1 more PCIEx16, 2x PCIx16, and 2 more sata ports, that's a no brainer.

Fatal1ty 350 or tomahawk for ryzen??

Tomorrow my RX 580 (and rest of my first rig) will arive, anyone with some experience with the card can tell me how much mhz i will probably get out of it?
Got the Powercolor Red Dragon with 1360 mhz, but was hoping for a few % more.

>>60162382
Fatal1ty between those two.

>>60162363

R5 1600 system would end up being $1450
i5 7600k system would end up being $1550
Is the bundled Spire cooler for the 1600 a viable cooler for an overclock to 3.8GHz?
Also, with the Intel chip being much better in single-threaded, would it be wise? With AMD trying to keep AM4 as their primary socket, there's the potential they start pumping out better CPU's within the supposed 4 years of AM4's lifespan.

>>60162382
Thanks, mind explaining why? Its fatality b350 k4 gaming btw

>>60162410
>>60162595
I quoted myself kek

>>60162508
>Is the bundled Spire cooler for the 1600 a viable cooler for an overclock to 3.8GHz?
You may stretch it a bit but if your chip doesn't ask for too much voltage and you have a well ventilated case it's perfectly feasible. I've done it and stress test temperatures are bearable (<76ºC) but summers are fucking hot here so I dialed down to 3.7 just in case.

>>60162508
Depends if you need that 3.8GHz for 24/7 of prime95 or just general use, and/or luck.

The stock cooler is good for 1.25-1.325v depending on use.

>>60162635
So get something like a Cryorig H5 Ultimate (mainly listed because it's cheap and decent) instead of running stock, just for the sake of a bit more safety knowing it won't be a huge issue?

>>60162508
>Is the bundled Spire cooler for the 1600 a viable cooler for an overclock to 3.8GHz?
On my eight cores R7 1700, a prime95 stress test with the cpu being oc'd at 1,23125v, the cpu stabilizes at around 70 and sometimes go slightly above. Things to note: i have a grand total of 3x 140mm intake fans, and 2x 140mm exhaust fans and also, i'm not running on the base thermal paste on the cooler. So, i can't tell you "yeah you'd be able to [email protected] on stock cooler without any problem", this is way too uncertain to be claimed. But if you have a decent airflow in your computer, and considering the r5 1600 has 2 less cores, it should be doable.

Note that it's in stress test. When i know i'm gonna do cpu-heavy that doesn't actually use all the cores, like wii u emulation, i oc to 3.9GHz and the cpu temperature is around 53°C (but the per core temperature would show a different number for the core used). So yeah it is certain that you can OC to 3.8GHz when not at full load, but during a stress test it is not.

>Also, with the Intel chip being much better in single-threaded, would it be wise?
It's not much better in single thread, it is only very slightly. The reason you see people saying it's much better in single thread is because they compare the 7700k to r7 1700, while the 7700k is clocked at 4.2 - 4.5GHz while the 1700 is clocked at 3.0 - 3.7.
The i5s aren't clocked as high as that so the difference is minimal. Also, 4 core 4 threads in 2017 is bonkers. I'd advise you watch closely both cpu usages in all the games shown in the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0oSYTP24rU

The i5 even manages to hit 95%+ usage in GTA:V, and GTA V is 2 years old.

>With AMD trying to keep AM4 as their primary socket, there's the potential they start pumping out better CPU's within the supposed 4 years of AM4's lifespan.
That's also a plus. AM4 is brand new while every single intel socket right now is dead, nothing is gonna release anymore on it.

Just gave my i7 6900k to my 14 yo cousin for free and got myself manly ryzen 1800x cpu. I was sick of childish intel cpus

>>60162696
hey stop that

>>60162662
It won't be an issue at all to use the Spire cooler, I think you don't need an aftermarket cooler at all for 3.8. Take into account those 76ºC I mentioned are during a stress test and real life tasks won't make it go so hot. With the 1600 I'd say the point where you need to go for a different cooler is 3.9 and beyond. And if you're lucky and your chip is good, you might be able to cool 3.9 with the Spire as well.

>>60162662
At that point it's not safety but high OC's anon

>>60161761
>>>60156749 (OP)
>Are B350 mobos at the point where the user can buy almost any 3000MHz DDR4 memory and run it at 2933?
I know my asrock b350 pro isn't, can't seem to get passed 2400 so far

>>60162766
Which asrock b350??

>>60162662
lol. If you have an H5 you can run at least 4.0 no problem.
The stock cooler is just good for a stock cooler. It's a 95w TDP cooler.

>>60162783
>>>60162766 (You)
>Which asrock b350??
This one
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/

Okay, so another question then;
i5 7600k/Z270 motherboard are about $520, where the R5 1600/B350 are about $80 cheaper
Would upgrading that from B350 to X370 be worth an extra $80, factoring in things like extra features and colour scheme matching?

Does it matter which HDD i put? Does it effect gaming performance ? I wanna get 1tb HD for 70$, will it do fine?

>>60162783
Well it says it supports over 3.2k...hmm

>>60162873
>be worth an extra $80, factoring in things like extra features and colour scheme matching?
do you need SLI/Xfire? if no, no.

>Does it matter which HDD i put? Does it effect gaming performance ?
loading time, slightly.

>i wanna get 1tb HD for 70$, will it do fine?
too expensive, you can get a 2TB one for $75. 1TB go for $50.

>>60162920
Just loading times? No fps drop, no stutterings??

https://www.amazon.co.uk/16GB-Kit-Dragon-white-DDR4-3200-CL16-18-18-36/dp/B0152XIYRA

thoughts on this for a ryzen system? i can get it for $114

>>60162920
Do crossfire/sli benefit rendering videos and other such workloads? I don't need it, but it'd surely be a plus if it helps rendering

>>60162880
>gaming
Get an SSD for OS and favorite games. HDD is only good for generic storage now.

>>60162953
Absolutely not man, unless it's some cheap 5 years old used entreprise hard drive, every hard drive will perform the same in game. Anything that's on a hard drive ends up being loaded into a fast cache before being processed. Textures -> vram, game's code -> ram, game data -> ram
So one drive or the other will affect loading times of those into the ram & vram but otherwise it's the same thing.

>>60162977
Depends on the program. I know Premiere Pro can use any number of GPU you throw at it, not much idea about the others.
Also, XFire & Sli are not supported by much programs, the program that do scale with multiple GPU actually access the gpus individually instead of going through xfire & sli which also ends up being much better. So a B350 mobo with 2 PCIex16, even though it doesn't support SLI, would be enough to have 2 nvidia gpu that will themselves accelerate the rendering through premiere pro, without at any moment requiring an SLI bridge or such.

>>60163102
Wow, thanks for being so helpful, anon

God bless

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should i?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y3BBd6

why or why not?

>>60163102
>Absolutely not man, unless it's some cheap 5 years old used entreprise hard drive, every hard drive will perform the same in game.
That's not 100% true.
Some games run shit without an SSD since they stream in assets. Path of Exile and Marvel Heroes are two examples.
Sad, but true.

>>60163102
So realistically, just get the Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 1070 rather than, for example, 2 RX480's?

>>60163149
Get 1600x, trust me

Single core performance is much better than 1700. It has 2 cores less but there is no sign of games using more than 6 cores in near future

>>60157436
3570k is at least good until cannon lake

>>60163208

>Single core performance is much better than 1700

Only because of the clockspeed difference. Run a 1700 at the same clocks at it perform the same in worst case scenarios and drastically out perform it at best.

>>60163149
I would advise against using a ryzen and a Nvidia bc of compatibility issues with many games, programs, etc.

>>60163149

Pirate windows, get a real set of headphones and make sure that psu is a good one. Consider a cpu cooler if you want to heavily overclock the 1700.

>>60163254

> Nvidia bc of compatibility issues with many games, programs, etc.

You need to stop posting.

>>60163253
Well its cheaper and more fps in 8/10 games but its up to you. Dont think you can overclock 1700 to 3.8 forever, it will drastically decrease cpu life while 1600x is running 4ghz turbo boost without breaking a sweat

>>60163284
stop posting because he's wrong?

>>60163314

Yes. The issues with Nvidia and ryzen are limited to a select few scenarios. For non gaming workloads there is no issue of any sort. I'm not denying that these issues don't exist but to flatout write off ryzen or an Nvidia card because of them is extremely stupid.

The poster child for it is RoTTR in DX12.

>>60161251
Don't get the 1600x, get the 1600.

>>60163359
Stop being a salty faggot because you cant afford 40$ cooler

1600x is superior

>>60162382
Definitely the Tomahawk.

>>60163284
>get a real set of headphones. i had some audio teqnicas on my last computer. the chord bugged me. I want to go wireless full on. just a convenience thing.

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>>60163156
Meh, that's pretty rare. The majority of game have the file access done on a specific thread other than the main one, so in GTA V you often end up having the map around invisible if you're too fast and have a slow hard drive. But any 7200rpm will perform the same in said games.

>>60163177
AMD cards are generally better at the same price than Nvidia when it comes to premiere pro, strangely enough.
https://youtu.be/xKh3GW0KoxY?t=5m12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cQK8jFPzo

But looking at https://youtu.be/IkkPGm0u3_I?t=1m25s dual-gpu benchmarks, it actually doesn't scale with multiple GPUs. That's pretty suprising to me because a Premiere Pro update video i had seen had an adobe employee talk about how premiere pro would scale from each gpu thrown at it, but what it ends up doing instead if alternating the load from one gpu to another, so you never have the two gpus being used at the same time.

Well, dual gpu when you do render would still be good to have if you want to game at the same time, assuming you can tell premiere pro to stick to only one, but it doesn't seem to speed premiere pro up in the end. It does speed up another software named DaVinci Resolve (https://youtu.be/wJGyIkF28xY?t=4m50s), but i don't think you use that.

>>60163377
They both come with same cooler retard, if you're talking about aftermarket coolers, you can buy an nice cooler with the money you save getting the non x version.

>>60163454
1600x doesnt have cooler in package retard

>>60163454
>>60163478
stop fighting

>>60163449
Photoshop is something I do use, so it's decent seeing the 1070 performance
That Premiere Pro performance is pathetic
Well, considering AMD (currently) has no 1070-equivalent, it's definitely making me think to either get a 480 to drop the price a bit, or just waiting for Vega

g4560 + rx 470
or
I5 7500 + 1050ti
for gaming (Witchers 3, Ark survival evolved, Fallout 4 )
Heard some of those games are cpu intensive

>>60163478
Even if you aren't using the stock cooler it still makes no sense to get the 1600x instead of the 1600.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxX4vV

this is good for a relatively quiet htpc + 1080p gaming?

do i need a cpu cooler?

first time building a computer and about to pull the trigger

have a feeling 1070s are going to drop around the $450 range in canada soon, which one should i get if or when they do?

>>60163647
it looks good.
g4560 comes with a stock cooler but if you care about the noise so much i'd consider getting another one (30$ max)

>>60163647
>do i need a cpu cooler?
If you want Intel and "relatively quiet", then yes. The stock cooler is pretty garbage.

Does G.Skill Flare-X really benefit Ryzen that much? I have 2 RAM kits in mind...
Corsair Vengeance 2666MHz @ 16-18-18-35
G.Skill Flare-X 2400MHz @ 15-15-15-39
both at 1.2v

>>60163449

>that pic

In what reality is a 290 faster than a 390x? Same goes for 980 over a 980ti.

Which one, /g/?

1: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m8LzgL

2: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9JjwXH

>>60163720
Shit, I really should've asked if Ryzen really benefits from faster RAM...
Also, if the motherboard supports up to "4x 2667MHz DDR4 memory (OC)", does that mean any kit up to 2667?

>>60163784
that mouse is garbage

>>60163819
I read good reviews about it, I like the buttons, and I'm not picky. Plus, RGB.

1500x at 190eur or
1600 at 220eur
It's going to be pretty much only for gaymen
Have a tight budget

Should I get the Eclipse P400 or the Corsair 200R?

Does anyone have any $50 case reccomendations?

>>60163647
That's quite the budget cpu right there, you sure you want this for 1080p? Will drag down your rx 570 quite noticeably.
It is indeed good for htcp, but for gaming it's very very meh. Wouldn't recommend.

>>60163819
Also, is the Razer Naga series any better?

>>60163778
in premiere pro cineform to 4k h.264
those aren't gaming benchmarks anon

cheap cooler for 1600x?

>>60163631
Witcher 3 is cpu intensive enough to make the I5 7600 bow down to it's knee and reach 85%~ usage.
Ark isn't and fallout is poorly optimized so it will run somewhat equally bad even with a good cpu

>>60163631
r5 1500x and 560 when it comes out

>>60163908
Stock 1600 cooler

>>60163810
4x 2666 means four 2666 ram sticks. You'd reach higher speed with two sticks but no idea how much.
Yes, faster RAM benefits ryzen enough to drive people to buy more expensive 3200MHz ram, but 2400 from 2666 is a pretty small difference.

>>60163861
1500x is enough for gaming, if you can afford 1600 i'd definitely recommend it over the 1500x because the extra two cores comes in VERY handy to make sure no game ends up using to 100% which already happens to the i5 7600, but it's purely up to you to determine if it's worth

>>60163908
save money by going 1600 and get a non-cheap cooler

>>60164018
1600's cooler is good as it is

>>60164018
i've got hyper tx3 evo, will that be fine?

>>60163997
Thank you for the sensible reply anon.
I think I will go for the 1500x because at least I will have my foot in the AM4 platform and can upgrade down the road instead of trying to make sense of the rainbow of LGA117202039w98x3104xLGBT sockets intel has

>>60163972
Would it be worth it going for 3200MHz @ 16-18-18-36 instead of 2400MHz @ 15-15-15-39?
Also, does voltage matter much for RAM? that 3200MHz kit is 1.35v, but the 2400 is 1.2v

>>60164046
yes. go on cooler master and ask for a bracket. you're going to need proof of purchase of am4 board & cooler

>>60164037
it's decent for slight OCs but nothing more, people should stop saying it can reach 4GHz safely or something. It's good, can get any ryzen CPU to 3.7, but anything over is very uncertain.

>>60164097
It doesn't matter much, higher voltage is required to reach higher clocks but that's about it. Keep in mind that most AM4 mobos have a hard time pushing 3200MHz, it's generally around 2900MHz. Bioses update are coming out this month aimed specifically at fixing those issues but no telling how good will that update be.

>>60164153
Would it be safe trusting MSI's website for them claiming 3200MHz+ is compatible?

>>60163867
anyone?

>>60164188
it's pretty random and vary from mobo to mobo (even same ones), kits to kits (samsung b die get the best result) and seemingly cpu from cpus (even same ones). So you have users with exact same parts that end up with different OCs. So i can't tell you, sorry.

>>60163903

That still make no sense - the 390x is simply more of everything compared to a 290 (higher clocks, more cores, more vram, more bandwidth). In every possible way performance wise a 390x is the superior chip to a 290.

>>60164262
Probably safer to stick with 2400 until BIOS updates roll out then.
Anyways, cheers lad.

>>60163888
ah well original budget was like 450 but I really wanted more ssd space and stuff.

But is the rx570 a bad match with the g4560? I was watching benchmark videos and it seemed fine on some game but really bad on the cpu intensive ones like gta 5. I dunno man i have zero experience and the next higher cpus cost a ton more. I also heard that its hard to find am4 mitx motherboards or something

i7 6700k at sub 300 dollar price
OR
Some Ryzen alternative?

What are some sites for good deals on computer stuff in Australia?

>>60164459
Maybe.

>>60164459
how much for the i7?

>>60164444
it really depends whether you intend to do light gaming or AAA gaming, and how long do you intend the build to last. For light gaming it's fine but AAA will most likely be a pretty bad experience and only get worse as time goes on.
And you are right, mitx AM4 boards are non existant right now. If that's important to you then there is n oother choice but sticking to intel.

>>60164500
aus.pcpartpicker.com

$295.

>>60164459
For what purpose? If all you want is gaming, well, the 6700k is a bit better(just a bit, mind, and that's mostly because you can reach higher clocks when overclocking) than Ryzen(at the moment, though that could change if you're not planning to upgrade in the next few years). For anything else(that would require such a powerful CPU in the first place), the Ryzen hexacores will be better and cost less, and the 1700 will run in circles around 6700k.

>>60164557
Random access plex server on top of a constantly running MMO client and other games on top of it.
I'm pretty undecided on it all, but I did do a partial prototype of a build using the i7 already.

>>60164603
That sounds like the kind of use-case where you'd want as many cores as you can get.

>>60164633
Dropping pricewise to the 1600 lets me push an extra 80 dollars towards a GTX1080 over the 1070 I was looking at prior.
Bumping up to a r1700 loses out that benefit but seems like an okay sidegrade.
GIves me a headache thinking about the possible tradeoffs.

Ok boys sorry if I keep spamming my shitty build but this is a big investment and i want the best possible outcome
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/RVTsCy
What's up with this

>>60164681
i'm not sure how much load the thing you quoted put on each core, but it's anyway a choice between the r5 1600 and r7 1700. I'd personally recommend the r7 1700 because 8 cores 16 threads for $325 is kind of a steal and really is wonderful for heavy multitasking which i do a lot.

>>60164737
Corsair VS is not particularly good.

>>60164766
What do you recommend my man

>>60164737
Why the x370?
Also, you could spend 20€ less and go for a gigabyte rx 580 instead. Whatever the msi one has to offer, it's not worth the 20 more euros

>>60164681
Actually while I'm at it, I'm just gonna dump the full sitrep here:
I'm upgrading from an old setup.
I'm upgrading from an i5 2500k+HD5870+8GBRAM setup.
I pretty much always have FFXIV running in the background (pulling some 30-40 fps) accompanied by a plex server indexing and streaming out anime to the household and occasionally Guilty Gear on top of it. (which manages to push 60fps always)
All of this is pushing 1920x1200+1920x1080 on the side.

My hopes in upgrading are:
Running the upcoming xiv expansion without issue plus all the other shit I run, having headroom for adding a possible 2560x1440 monitor in some time, and if I can, to run it slightly quieter.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/njrZKZ is the current prototype build.

>>60164790
Anything from Corsair or EVGA that is rated Gold or better. I'm not worried about energy efficiency, but the higher end models have much better construction so they are less likely to have issues or create issues. This is also why they offer much longer warranty periods for those PSUs.

Or anything from Seasonic rated Bronze or better.

>>60164796
Will the Asus B350-Plus a better choice?
>>60164872
I will look into it

>>60164840
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9RWW8K
This is what i'd go with.
R7 1700 for the 8 core 16 threads, which is very very handy for heavy multi tasking.
No cooler because the R7 1700 doesn't need one.
>>60164872
rB350 board because (i assume) no need for more. It can handle very decent OCs, has two PCIex16, 6x sata. It doesn't handle SLI or Xfire, though.

And, the most important part: with the money saved on cooler and motherboard, GTX 1080 to make sure you are not ever bottlenecked from your GPU. More performance at an identical price.

>>60164906
Well it's a worse board because it's b350, but do you need the extra features of x370? The extra sata ports, extra m.2, sli & xfire? If not then no reason to pay for an x370 when b350 are already great as they are

>>60164953
>>>60164872
not sure how i quoted this guy but sorry, i didn't mean to.

>>60164790
Not him, but try out the new evga B3 power supplies.

>>60164906
The msi B350 tomahawk has been really good.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dN8LBP

Treating myself to a new build, budget ~£1400 (UK).
Mostly for gaming (Dota 2 and a little WoW right now), currently playing at 1920x1080 @ 120Hz, but plan on buying a new monitor too (not included in budget).
Also used for streaming content and general internet usage.

Just looking for a heads up on anything I might have missed or any worthwhile upgrades for not a lot extra.

>>60165486
change momboard to tomahawk and you're set

>>60163677
ayy what makes you think that? just curious because CAD & AUD are similar, and I might ship one over

>>60165550
Tomahawk isn't mATX though. I'm not being retarded, right?

>>60165605
why you need matx tho?

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So, I'm thinking about building a pretty high end PC this summer, and I'm tossing over a 750d airflow edition and a 780t for the case, with a h115i for cooling for an i7 7700k with a 1080ti strix.

Now, I've looked around at some things and from what I've gathered, it seems that mounting the radiator in the front at the intake would give the best overall system temps (Plan on removing all the 3.5 cages).

Now, the things I'm wondering is

1) how comfortably will the h115i be able to reach the CPU if it's in the front of either of those cases. I figure I'll need it oriented so the tubes are on top trying to make the straightest run to the cpu, but I'm worried if there'll be too much tension on the tubes in that position.

2) I'm considering having it arranged as a pull at the intake, since I figure the 2 140mm on the case intake will also act as the 'push', so in effect it'll be a push/pull. Will that work despite one set of fans being mounted on the case and not directly to the radiator?

>>60165668
The case

>>60165689
>high end
>intel

LMAOING at your life

go ryzen or continue to be vegan

>>60165715
get another case bro, you don't wanna be momboardlet, don't you?

>>60165718
>AMD drone

Makes sense that you'd have no reference for what 'high end' is.

>>60165802
enjoy your 2million dollars cpu with 4 cores that will be useless in 6 months

literally corelet

>>60165718

I'm not looking to start anything, I just want to know if there's going to be any issues with that cooling setup.

>>60165746
Yes

>>60165844
call the firefighters just in case

>>60165843

>AMD drone still thinks they can just keep adding cores to solve their problems despite not actually matching performance.

Whats the best tight budget mobo I can get to overclock ryzen 5?

>>60165920
I need to know too

Two questions:
What is the minimum psu I would need for rx 580?

What is the best matx case I could get for ~20$?

>>60166032
Make that 20 a 50 and we can talk

>>60166048
I just need something that wont fall apart after a few months, nothing fancy

I work at Amazon and had a shit ton of Ryzen CPU's come to me for a quality check. i was opening them all up just to look at them. Had everything from 1600-1800x. Got some 1070's and 1060's after that. Better than getting all of those dildos.

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>>60166032
Lowest: 300 watt psu, not accounting for anything else
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-580-review,5020-6.html
>also apparently i was banned for posting on /soc/ last year, and its barely telling me now even though it expired in January and I never go on /soc/

>>60166129
Here
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#X=0,3149

>>60165689
why are you asking us if it'll reach? You should have the specs of the radiator fan length, versus the length of the case minus the offset distance of the CPU.

>>60166032
How underage are you Jesus Christ.
>inb4 poor college student

is nzxt s340 case good for fatality or tomahawk motherboard? Any better one with similar price?

@60166345
Google it faggot.

For anybody new and wanting help with a build you should go to reddit buildapc for help and to not be spammed with insults from virgins who can't even afford parts.

>>60166376
Or they should do some simple research themselves.

>>60166294
I know the radiator will fit in the front mount, and corsair gives all the specs for the radiator but it doesn't give a length or anything for the tubing going from the radiator to the pump, which is why I'm asking because it's not in the corsair tech specs.

Saw a pcpartpicker build on here once with a 20$ windows 10 os, can someone link me to this

What's so bad about Seagate HDD's?

I noticd one faggot said that they're shit while scrolling down the thread. You still here?

>>60166345
pls someone?

>>60166542
Kinguin + buyer protection. More like $30. Or maybe they were going with ebay.

Migrate time
>>60166920
>>60166920
>>60166920