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>>60113589

pic related not my setup.

Oh yeah, share tunes you have self produced also!

>>60113607

One bump in case anybody is interested, if not, then I'll let thread die a sad lonely death.

go on /prod/ on mu, or join the /prod/ discord if you are into electronic music

PreSonus AudioBox USB and Studio One 3 Artist that came with it.

Studio One is pretty good I think.

>>60113589
FL Studio hate thread

>>60114168

Using an old as dirt EMU 1616 pci card with Reaper.

Computer is a 2012 ish AMD system.


How do you like the presonus AI?

>>60114212

beep boop motherfuckers

but seriously any clyps you guys post I will listen to regardless of genre.

>>60114217
>presonus AI
I don't know what that is. I'm new to all this stuff. Have been playing drums for years but only recently started recording stuff myself.

>>60114249

AI = audio interface

How many mics do you setup for your kit?

>>60114267
I don't record drums. Just some keyboards, guitar.

>>60114303

Ah gotcha. I program drums since I can't play haha.

Are you using virtual instruments or hardware?

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>>60114328
I use Yamaha P45 as a midi keyboard and bought pick related recently for programming drums. I live in an apartment, so can't really use drums there.

I've been thinking about getting a drum pad like Yamaha DTX Multi Pad or Roland Octopad just for midi recording so I could use drum sticks but they are pretty expensive. Gonna try that midi controller first.

>>60114391

cool. have any exaples of your work?

>>60113589
Renoise.

It has it's limits, but I like it because know my way around.

>>60114500

never used that one.

I looks like it's aimed towards electronic music.

>>60114471
Nope. But I've recorded some gameplay using Audiobox and Studio One. I guess you could listen to audio quality https://youtu.be/yvNYSfTAg70

Also this is where I play drums. And all the guitars have been recorded by the guitarist at his home. He also did all the mixing and mastering. He uses some old version of ProTools. http://cotillion.bandcamp.com/

>>60114562

Hey you're a pretty good drummer!

>>60114605
Thanks, Anon.

>>60114646

I need to find a good drummer for this band.

Couple of song ideas from our EP:

https://clyp.it/lzm4d2ch
https://clyp.it/krd0f11a

It seems like everybody plays guitar or bass, and the few capable drummer are too few and far inbetween here in San Diego.

>>60113589

Op here:

A cool trick for weak sounding kick drums:

Side chain isolate kick drum to a track containing a gate and a tone generator. Get a nice low tone established, then adjust the gate to only let the tone through when the kick hits.

Really beefs up the bottom end of the drums nicely.

>>60114911
Well I'm from NY. I'm also looking for a band but music here is pure garbage.

>>60114962
sounds nice ill try that anon

>>60115166

Another:

Bass drum and bass guitar compete for the same frequencies. Choose one to sit below the other. Carve out a little frequency on one , and increase the same frequency on the other.

Then, do a send from the kick drum to bass track. Add a compressor , and tell the compressor to receive from the send from the kick. Set the compressor to reduce the signal on the bass guitar for a split second may be 1-2 db when the kick drum hits.

Viola! no more blown out bottom end.

>>60115279

So sidechaining basically?

>>60115628

Yeah. That's the word.

>>60114237
https://clyp.it/15vf5gfk
From an upcoming electronic EP of mine. I-I'm still learning so it might not sound too professional, but hey! It's fun to make and I hope someone will enjoy listening to it too.

>>60113589
adtrack2.exe

how do you master your track so it all sounds "tight" and "fused" together. It's really hard to explain but most professionally produced tracks i here especially in electronic music its like there this constant "static" noise going on in the background and it helps "glue" everything together. Fuck. does anyone know what i mean? im using albeton

>>60116291

Mastering is the final eq tweaks and compression generally of the final exported .wav from your DAW.

That is very general of course. You should try to make your tracks as perfect as possible from the DAW, but sometimes you will have to make tweaks for track continuity etc.

The tightness you are perceiving is most likely compression. The scratchiness you are perceiving could either be some sort of saturation effect, but most likely the entire track has been compressed / limited to increase loudness, which has the effect of peaks that exceed 0, so therefore are cut off. This can create a distortion of thos peaks which manifests as a digital artifact.

In metal we do this all the time because loudness sounds better to the ear. It makes the lows and the highs sound better.

Knowing this, it is easier to get a more accurate mix at lower volumes.

>>60116511

so do i add compression, saturation, etc before or after i export it? and i always add a limiter just to make sure it never goes above 0 (when the bar turns red)

>>60116217

Not my type of jam (metalhead here), but the production is crisp and clear. Wish I had a sub here so I could enjoy the bottom end.

Sounds good dude!

>>60116541

There's more than one way to skin a cat, but I would add the saturation on the master bus, then export, and then tweak eq (rolloff lows / highs, mid bump etc), and then compress to taste.

Make your mastering a chain so you are not stabbing in the dark from track to track.

Also, about limiting, it's ok if you go above 0. It will just artifact, but that's the game nowadays. Open up a metal track that is loud as fuck in your DAW, and study the waveform. You will see what I mean.

On the other hand, the tracks that I make for myself, I will use the following formula. Take the average of the L/R RMS, and then subtract 16 dbs from that. Then, I would use the resulting value as my adjustment on the limter with a ceiling of -.1. If it's not loud enough, I will simply turn up the damn volume.

Tracks I make for other people are blown the fuck out because they want to compete. Keep in mind that streaming services will add their own compression to manage differing volume levels between tracks, so If you want to see what a track really looks like rip it from a cd.

>>60116611

>Open up a metal track that is loud as fuck in your DAW, and study the waveform. You will see what I mean.

Yeah same thing in the EDM world, an entire track thats just a straight up black bar of supposedly waveforms...

>>60116729

yea i think thats what im trying to get at here. Where the entire waveform is like a solid block. I like how those kinds of tracks sound. Just sounds "dirty" to me in a good way

>>60116729

Well it still works, it's just that the dynamics are reduced, which can have a fatiguing effect on your ear.

Admittedly in metal, where we are borderline noise anyway, this effect may not be as apparent, but once you hear the artifacting in a song it is hard to unhear, and annoying.

>>60116756

well shit then anon, lust throw a limiter on the master buss and slam that shit haha.

>>60116291
A lot of EDM songs use white noise to fill the spectrum, if that's what you mean. Just don't overuse it, because it becomes really obvious and annoying when it's not subtle.

The "tightness" and pro quality doesn't come from just simply a good mastering, but from a lot of contributing factors, such as mixing, effects, sound selection/design ("you can't polish a turd" they say, as it's hard to make a perfect sounding song with shitty sounds), composition/arrangement (so each instrument has its own place), etc.

There is no trick to achieving pro quality. You have to master each of those things to make songs that can compete with people who not only mastered them, but also excel at them.

>>60116541
Pirate the izotope ozone suite and watch the two andivax mastering tutorials (he uses ozone 4, so for learning use that or 5, then upgrade later to the latest).

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>>60116897
>zotope ozone
best vst ever

>>60118967
Are you being sarcastic?
Because it's actually very good.
You really can't do better than Ozone when it comes to in-the-box stuff.
Maybe only with single one-use pieces you select individually, but that's not an option for a beginner, an it takes many years of trying a ton of plugins to find the ones you like the best.
With oZone you get a very good all-in-one solution that's also very easy and quick to use.

>>60119021
>sarcastic

No...I love it, his compressors are better than the Waves ones...

>>60119051
Ah, alright, my bad.

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>>60113589
Back in 2006-08 I made lots of 'music' and uploaded it all to music.download.com. The site shut down at the same time my HP Pavilion shittop went haywire. An album worth of songs gone, haven't produced any music after that.

how do i stop doing gay music

>>60119332
replace all the trance leads with guitar leads and pronto

totally not gay music

>>60119381
tried that and ruined it too

>>60113589
Cubase and Ableton for the DAW,

Selected hardware:
2 x yamaha o2R 1 x o3d digi desk
mackie vlz 24,4,2 analog desk
Clark tecknik large format 32,24 analog desk

roland jp8080
waldorf pulse
novation supernova
korg electribes
korg x3r
korg volkas
roland jv2080
quasimidi quasar

akai mpc 2000
akai s5000
akai s6000
yamaha a5000
emu esi

genelec 8050
naumann 0300D
monitors

Arturia plugs
Waves Plugs

Drawmer masteflow DC2476 on the mastering

MOTU 828, 2408, Focusrite saffire 4 channel and OTARI RADAR adda's on the compute in/ out.

how the phuq does one post a trak?

>>60116217
>https://clyp.it/15vf5gfk

good production and a nice sound thing going on.

But.... it's that old thing, I think it was an old time jazz musician, maybe Miles Davis said " you stick to 4/4 and I kik from 4/4 to 3/4 to 5/8 to 6/7. that's why I'm funky and you're shit"

Yeah, I ain't mastered it either but a good lesson in making things interesting.

Jazz is the teacher for all dance music, like it or not.

>>60119818
i like what you are saying anon

>>60119856
look at polyrhythms, that's a good one.

I could go on all night.

>>60119927
please go on, im having big issues with my drums and rythmic shit

i did read something on polyrhythms, the 3 + 3 + 2 idea, or having different signatures for the diff voices, counterpoint etc

but ive never thought of changing the signature for the whole thing

>ctrl+f reaper
>1 result

what the fuck /g/? you're supposed to know your shit

Ableton. FM8, Sylenth1, Reaktor.

Play with MIDI randomization, arpeggiator and some default sounds.

Route sound in, sound out. Shit ton of effects.

Spend hours hooked on this. love it

>>60120111

>>some default sounds
*chords

>>60119989
Well, for melody (counter point) use the technique called "cannons" If you want dance music.

Basically pic your three or so notes, do a 3 bar loop, overlay a 5 bar loop same root note and scale etc.

That's hypnotic long repeating dance music.

Used all the time by everyone, takes a bit of experimenting to make it sound good, but it's never boring. Change 3/4 to 5/7 or whatever works.

Drums, Polyrhythms never get boring, do a kik loop at 4/4, snare loop fills at 5/7 hats at 9/11 all looping and it never gets boring.

All of the above and cut and use the 4/4 segments that sound cool, Or just use them raw.

Try it :)

Also. I do not record any thing via mic or guitar.

So it's basically me with headphones and my computer.

Will a sound interface be a good idea?

For headphones I have some Sennheiser HD 205 II. Not some super expensive ones.

>>60119818
>>60119927
>>60120148
That's cool and all if you're making music for yourself (and maybe other nerds on the Internet), but if you're trying to make something serious out of your music-making, then this is going to mmake it too hard to follow for most people, and they won't like it for being "too weird" and "non-musical".
In dance music this is absolutely key. You want your listeners to be able to predict what's gonna happen, and if it gets irregular they won't like it. Especially in a club setting.

Just a heads up.

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>>60120214
that's how all non boring music is made, mix it up, ad structure later

>>60120245
I agree, but your idea of non-boring is different than a normie non-musician's idea of non-boring.
They'll just think it's random shit.

>>60120262
With respect, I disagree.

Use the technique to make parts interesting, structure the parts into something that works.

It's an age old thing that everybody I've ever heard of uses.

Beyonce rocks the polyrhythms, so did Bach.

>>60113589
I'm using LMMS right now, and it honestly seems easier to create individual loops in LMMS and string shit together in Audacity. So much overflow from one pattern to another

>>60120321
I'm not specifically talking about polyrhythms. I'm talking about all those "experimental" things you said to borrow from Jazz, different time signatures, etc.
If you just make a normal song and integrate just a punch of them to spice things up a little bit, then I agree with you.
It's just that I read here all the time things like "if your song isn't incredibly complex and intricate musically, then you're a noob who make songs for children", and from what I often hear on /mu/, many of them focus more on making music like that, rather than "normal" musical-sounding music that everyone can like, so I just wanted to point out to anyone who reads here that it's important not to fall in the trap of making music that's impressive and non-boring for musicians, because to everyone else it's going t sound like shit.

But if you're talking about using them carefully in otherwise "normal-sounding" songs, then I agree with you.

>>60120409
>"if your song isn't incredibly complex and intricate musically
I never said that, I like simple music.
>/mu/
shut up
>because to everyone else it's going t sound like shit
and most things everybody makes do.......
>using them carefully
that's the key here, music is an art.

I think I agree with you too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSH4GdKPTjQ

>>60120481
>I never said that, I like simple music.
Alright, sorry my bad.

>shut up
I know...

>and most things everybody makes do.......
Yeah, but simply sounding like shit is different than "what the fuck is this" "is this even music", which is what experimental-sounding stuff sounds like to normal people.

>that's the key here, music is an art.
Yeah, didn't think you meant it that way.

>>60120565
Yeah, alrighty m8, We're on the same wavelength, good luck with it, what are you up to musically at the mo?

>>60120597
I've been making electronic music on and off since 2012, but never got to actually make something "premeditated". I just see all I do as an excersize, so I just make songs with new techniques I've learned and things like that, and whatever comes out comes out (usually some sort of electronic/EDM thing). Basically I never massed the "I'm just practicing, not making songs" mental stage.
I haven't finished a single song since 2015 though. I have hundreds of started projects, but can't bring myself to actually finish them thanks to crippling depression.
ATM I've even basically stopped listening to music altoghether.

What about you?
is this [>>60120245] your setup?

>>60120694
yeah I never made anything premeditated either, Can't imagine any other way, wouldn't want to.
Send stuff out though, I mean just send it out for the criticism/contract both usefull.

I haven't finished a song since 04, same reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nq4M7QBxt4

don't know if you're into this stuff but it's pretty uplifting.

Yes that's my room a couple of years ago.

>>60120694
>>60120821
>>60120821
>>60120694
get your shit together people, whats depressing you so much

>>60120958
success (good point)

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>>60120821
>yeah I never made anything premeditated either, Can't imagine any other way, wouldn't want to.
>Send stuff out though, I mean just send it out for the criticism/contract both usefull.
I upload almost everything I've finished on SoundCloud and Youtube. Mainly to give myself the deadline of 1 song per month, and to get feedback from the /r/edmproduction meetups.
Here it is if you're interested:
https:// soundcloud . com / same le um

I liked the song, thank you.
Funny thing I know Clark and have two of his albums on my HDD, but never got to listen to them.

>>60120958
Various life things.

>>60120148
thx, trying it this night

>>60120981
>https:// soundcloud . com / same le um

Can't make it work, there's a discrepancy.

This had better be good.........................

>>60120970
how does this even work?

>>60121045
Wut?

There are spaces in the link. Just remove those.

>>60121045
>This had better be good.........................
Spoiler alert: It's not.

sometimes i use LMMS and sometimes i use FL via wine/playonlinux.

my music isnt good

https://soundcloud.com/gradient-channel/im-still-alive

>>60121068
got it
>>60121067
It doesn't, that's the problem inherent in our society.

I was hoping you had a solution.

>>60121124
You have to sellout by making whatever makes the most money and focus more on connections rather than on getting better at your craft.
Hire ghost-producers if possible.

sam eleum?

>>60121124
well, the best i can do is initiate you into the intrincancies of the /pol/ lifestyle: "How to be happy when the jews are actively scheming to symbolically castrate you"

>>60121168
Yes?

>>60121149
good advice possibly, but I'm along way past that thanks anyway.

>>60121190
>but I'm along way past that
What do you mean?

>>60121149
i think he meant he is depressed cause he is successful

>>60121212
But he said he hasn't finished a song since 04.
Doesn't sound like someone who's too successful.

Maybe he's successful in other areas?

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>>60121179
get your shit together,
>>60121175
That's what I was going to say, I was just going to say that.

>>60121227
if i am to believe all this is his >>60120245, then maybe by not finishing a song since 04 he means songs he really likes to do, or he does audio work for movies/tv sth

>>60121242
>get your shit together,
I-is it that bad?

>>60121256
Until he tells us what he meant, we can only speculate.

>>60121269
I'm buying it, where can I buy it.

No Time.

Better than the bag of shit airfix twat just sent me.

No, really.!

Any recommendations for loonix daws? Currently trying out lmms, seems okay

>>60121303
Maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker, but I don't understand what you're trying to tell me.

>>60121256
are you having a go at me?
>>60121292
I don't know what I meant, don't stress,

>>60121341
captcha:
Mariana CHASE

>>60121340
I'm not trying to tell you anything you didn't already know. Peace be with you my friend.

>>60121386
Alright.

>>60121416
work harder, come on man, we want to hear that stuff.

>>60121472
That's easier said than done my friend.
Thanks for the encouragement though. I appreciate it.

Who else FL Studio selling simple trap beats by the dozen?

>>60121535
really nice piece of work, I ain't gonna lick your balls over it, it's not perfect but yeah.

Send it out to german labels, Kompact?

>>60121612
Thank you.
"not perfect" is a WAY nicer definition of it than I'd give it. In fact I've never thought about promoting or submitting it anywhere (frankly I don't even know why I put the DL links in them), since I don't think it's good enough (or at all).
Especially considering those songs are all rushed to be finished in a few days to meet the deadline, so I really have no idea of what quality they'd have if I took the appropriate time.

I've progressed significatively since then though, so maybe if I restart making new stuff I'll submit it somewhere.

>>60121685
pull a reset

>>60121703
What do you mean?

>>60121710
when im getting nowhere i metaphorically pull the plug and change from the old non-conducive "mental space", if it makes any sense

drop any wip, change usual workflow, change attitude, change monetization plan, change usual samples/vst/starting points, change workflow


start it all over

>>60121750
It's not that I don't have interest in music anymore. I still make new stuff pretty often (that never progresses past its "basic idea" state).
I just lost interest in everything.
There is nothing I enjoy anymore and I can't bring myself to do anything.
It comes from fundamental problems in my life that have nothing to do with my music, but end up affecting it because they affect everything I do.
I won't bore you with my life story, but they're pretty serious problems that are constantly getting worse, and I have no idea how to solve them, so I just end up getting depressed and giving up.

>>60121685
pro tip,

It's really off-putting when you say "I'm not sure about my art"

Instant self kill, you have to be sure in public, doubt in private, That's the fucking job m8.

>>60121836
i would not discard /pol/, i feel you need some hard experience to make you feel alive like running from the police or drunk shooting a gun, maybe go hunting or try a pass at your cousin

>>60121907
running from the police only works if they don't catch you AND you puke from the run

can also try wild animals if you dont live in a city

>>60121887
Heh, I know, but I'm not trying to sell myself here. I'm just having a conversation with someone on the Internet and I'm just being honest.
Obviously I'm not going to submit it to a label and say "I think it's shit but you might like it" kek.

>>60121907
>>60121927
Maybe I'll try that once I sort some stuff out.

How do you guys deal with listening fatigue?

Is there a biological limit for how long shoud i work on a single song?

>>60122027
If you can, maybe put the song aside for some time and resume working on it when you forget how it sounds like, so you can re-listen to it with fresh ears and improve it without your normal biases, and most importantly, without being tired of it.

All y'all need to concentrate on what area of music you want to get into

You should aim for:
EDM musician - aim for internet audience
Rock/pop musician - aim for city audience
Alternative/indie musician - aim for any local town audience

There's exceptions in that of course, but that's what's easiest

If you want to be a producer or composer of some kind, specialise in an area;
Royalty earning music (with the many genres and ways inside this)
Audio for games
Audio for films
Audio for that guy down the street that wants a new ringtone

Its not impossible to do any of these, just stick with one and get good at it, just make sure you NEVER think that you've learned "everything" you can for x y z piece of software, because you won't.
You can branch out and experiment when youve made it.

I use Pro Tools and Logic, I've got access to A lot of high end equipment, ranging from a few Allen & Heath GL2400's up to an SSL AWS900, of which I've pretty much established myself more in theatre work with an ETC element desk and a crappy old Allen & Heath live desk to do live shows because I know how this shit works backwards, which I need to know to fix them when they break.

You know how I got this job?

I talked about me doing a bomb-ass job on an EP I produced for an indie rock band that helped them get signed onto a label for the first time, showing that I recorded, mixed and mastered the tracks using everything I had available.

Whatever you do, stick with it, it'll work in the end.

>>60121951
>Heh, I know, but I'm not trying to sell myself here. I'm just having a conversation with someone on the Internet and I'm just being honest.
>Obviously I'm not going to submit it to a label and say "I think it's shit but you might like it" kek.
cool, but maybe someone will get something out of this, you'd be surprised how many people apologize for how shit their music is right before they play it, that shit needs to stop yo.

>>60122197
You're right. I'll try to tone it down.

>>60122214
wasn't aimed at you, or anybody else.

just saying, we must try harder to not do that.

>>60122236
Yeah, but I also feel the opposite is true as well.
I see much more incompetnt people boasting about how good they are, and when you see their work it's ridiculously bad.
If they only showed humility and knew heir place they would not only look less stupid, but would also be able to improve much more because they'd realze what needs to be better, instead of just thinking everything's good because of Dunning-Kruger.

>>60122292
many more incompetent people*

>>60122292
boasting and shooting yourself in the foot are not the only options doe

>>60122336
I know. I was just pointing out that both exist and we must be careful not to fall into one to escape from the other (like I did).

>>60116217
>https://clyp.it/15vf5gfk

did you really use the Hanna Barbera cartoon bite sound??? (17 seconds)

>>60116217
y u stole alarm sound from Virtual Riot?

>>60119094

I lost what was supposed to be my first 12" EP to a hard drive failure back in 1998. I was a poorfag back then and built my machine using a lot of parts bought from a local recycler (Computer Renaissance). My miserable little DAW ran Win95 on a Cyrix P200MX w/32MB RAM, Cakewalk Pro Audio 5.0, and it had a Wide SCSI controller in it and a used 540MB SCSI drive connected to it used strictly for audio (the primary drive was a 2.5GB Quantum IDE).

Back then I had a Roland R8 w/Electronic card, Sequential Multi-Trak, Yamaha TX7, Roland MT32, Peavey Deltafex Twin, and a Peavey Unity 300 mixer running out to a pair of Bose Roommate speakers. I finished an Electro EP (think Drexciya, Ectomorph, Dopplereffekt, etc...) and the day I was going to dump it to tape so I could start sending it out to local Detroit labels the damned hard drive stopped responding. Nothing I could do could get it to run again. I saved the audio as well as the MIDI tracks to the same hard drive, for some reason I hadn't backed any of it up to my Zip100, and didn't yet have a CD burner so I lost everything.

This happened one more time about 6 months later. Lost another 12" exactly the same way: used hard drive died, didn't save anything to my Zip drive, and STILL didn't have a CD bruner to back stuff up to. that time I started recording on Friday after work and didn't stop making music until I went to bed Monday morning around 2am so nothing got saved yet. I just ran through track after track, ordered pizza all weekend, and had a chick bring me a case of beer so I never had to leave the crib.

>>60120148
>hats at 9/11

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>>60113589
Renoise + Reaktor for everything other than beats. Beats I do with Maschine.

>>60122414
It's just a placeholder for an idea I have in mind. Anything after the Mario's "Let's go" is a placeholder.

>>60122369
In this industry we don't "steal" things, we "sample" them. :^)
Also yes, because that's my favourite sample.

>>60121685
I don't know about you guys but I have no idea who this guy is. But you made me really curious to hear your stuff. Mind posting some links, mister?

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>>60113589
I use FL Studio and yesterday I have torrented Ableton.

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https://clyp.it/pexhpj0p

work in progress, getting back into making music after a bit of a hiatus.

>>60113589
Using Cubse 5 since 2009

I have FL but am too afraid to learn a new DAW

Shameless music plug
https://soundcloud.com/ovenglovemusic/maitreya-calling

>>60124826
Fl mstrce btw

>>60124826
Very nice! What do you do in order to achieve that sound?

Just Pro Tools and sometimes FL if I need something that sounds fake in a track. Used to use Cubase, but dropped it ultimately.