retro/ - old computers and tech

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When PayPal releases funds for the shit I sold on eBay I might look into buying another beat up old ThinkPad and restoring it to its former glory

Fucking hipsters inflating prices though
I've had offers over 200$ for this 380ED simply because it functions.

>>60108112
Those things are so sexy!

>>60108112
>Fucking hipsters inflating prices though

What even

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Good morning retro /g/.

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Working on my slot1 pIII rig, shit refuse to post with additional 80mm fan connected to motherboard.
Also, looking for enlight 7237 case, as the best affordable solution for late 90s rig.

I've got a topic related question, kinda.
Is there any way to whiten plastic panels without UV?

>>60108112
Shit, I should sell mine then. I only paid $2 for it and never use it since I've got way better 7 series systems that beat the shit out of it.

$200 could buy me a lot of parts to fix up some forgotten projects, or a nice entry-level SGI that works...

>>60109151
>shit refuse to post with additional 80mm fan connected to motherboard

This means you should check the caps.

>>60109232
Paint.

>>60110133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObpcGNCU944

>>60109232
Very careful cleaning with diluted acetone and bleach

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>>60113884

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>>60114167
Not him but what's wrong with it? I saw that done with a Commodore PET.

>>60114474
It's cool but It just looks wrong

>>60114560
Eh. I actually had to resort to a black and white IBM VGA monitor (don't even ask why it was VGA. All I know it was monochrome VGA monitor ( I think it was a IBM 4707 E01) and it had a quite noticeable burn in. Back then it was connected to a Pentium II machine.

>>60114474
If you use a dead machine, it's fine. But if you kill a running classic, you preserve a cray-1 buttrape.

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>>60114677

>>60113884
absolute madman

>>60114874
If it's full of characters (and not random garbage) it's most likely a faulty RAM

>>60114677
Define "dead", because most faults are easily repairable. Specially ones with off the shelf parts, no reason to call the machine "dead" and gut it.

>>60115014
True, it's hard to define. I for example search for a dead Amstrad PPC to build a decent portable PC. I would classify it as dead, if some main part is broken. In this special case i would say Board or screen.

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>>60114991
>>60115014
From the page I found this:

"So at this point (the late 1990s), I got the PET, with the keyboard and monitor intact, but without any of the internals. I tried to source a PET motherboard at the time, but failed. I wanted to keep it, but an empty shell wasn't much use, so decided to continue down the route planned and installed a PC motherboard. There was plenty of space for a full size AT motherboard - no, I didn't forget the X, this wasn't ATX, but the older AT standard, before the standard rectangular cutout with all the connectors on. No USB, no onboard sound or video, not even a mouse port! However, it was a functional PC, but there were two main problems to solve, the display and the keyboard."

From what I read he later replaced the Pentium with some Z80 (so ZX Spectrum) stuff and then the original PET motherboard:

http://blog.tynemouthsoftware.co.uk/2014/08/commodore-pet-repair-part-1-main-board.html

As for the Pentium motherboard,the 2A5L7M49 string in the BIOS points to a MSI MS-5117 motherboard, with an VIA equivalent of Intel's VX/HX/TX chipsets.

>>60115114
Maybe it's not totally PC related, but is it okay if I'd want to build a old machine (Socket 7 w/ AGP chipset) inside a old, broken VCR?

I have some AGP cards with TV output laying around that I could use.

>>60115208
>Maybe it's not totally PC related, but is it okay if I'd want to build a old machine (Socket 7 w/ AGP chipset) inside a old, broken VCR?
>I have some AGP cards with TV output laying around that I could use.
That's a cool idea for a media center PC

>>60115208,
>Maybe it's not totally PC related, but is it okay if I'd want to build a old machine (Socket 7 w/ AGP chipset) inside a old, broken VCR?
> I have some AGP cards with TV output laying around that I could use.
That's a nice idea.

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>>60115297
>media center PC
Actually, I was planning to use it for playing old games, hence the reason I wanted to go with a MX440 AGP8x. (I don't have any older card and I have to craft my own S-Video cable out of old PS/2 keyboard cables with a few removed pins)

I was planning to play these:

>Abe's Oddysee and Exoddus w/ custom levels (it's possible,I just have to find the right levels in order to piece them together and make it fully playable all the way to the end)
>Need For Speed 5 - Porsche Unleashed
>Heart Of Darkness
>DOOM
>Midtown Madness 1 and 2
>Croc: Legend of Gobbos
>Croc 2
and a lot more games.

These are the specifications I'd aim for:
>PCCHIPS M577 motherboard (may have to recap it - they loved using G-Luxon (Teapo) caps)
>AMD K6-2 450MHz w/ low profile Socket 462 heatsink
>128MB PC-133 SDRAM
>Palit GF4 MX440 64MB AGP (I don't have any older card with TV output)
>ESS/Soundpro HT1869V+ onboard sound (they had it onboard with an separate header that has line in,line out,microphone and a gameport)
>RTL8139C+ NIC (more compatible)
>8GB WDC Protege HDD (from an Xbox that got a HDD upgrade)
>Windows 98 SE with NUSB 3.3, KernelEX and 98LITE 4.7
>250W L&C PSU (with completed filtering on both AC input and DC output)
>USB ports so I can connect a Playstation controller to play these games
>BT878-based TV tuner to keep the TV functionality
I think I can manage this since there's enough space, and because I'll try and keep a stock look - so any audio output will be done via an self-crafted 3.5mm to female RCA adapter (with the RCA inputs glued to the case (most of it is plastic,just the cover is made from steel), and I can substitute the RF output socket for the composite jack.

All in all, I might actually finally find a purpose for this VCR. Pic related, this is how the VCR looks.

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>>60115684
Kek, like an Amiga CDTV

>>60108081
cool lamp...

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I want to fucking murder the lightbulb banning kikes

>>60115954
Why? It's a shit technology to begin with, it's not like you can't use them at all any more or that they don't make them for the uses they are worth, it's just that it's a pointless things for everyday use, unlike the shit in these threads that's actually fun to mess around with

>>60116001
>flicker free
>cheap and simple to manufacture
>almost no harmful blue light
>superior black body
>warm and natural color
>aesthetic
I beg your pardon?

>>60116041
>like other flicker free lights don't exist
>mass production is cheap with anything
>like other types of light don't have blue light free light
>because it's literally a heating element
>like other types of light sources can't produce different temperatures and colors of light or that everybody likes warm light and the color is nothing natural as in sunlight is
>agreed, so just get one for aesthetics and not daily use
It's very, very inefficient, produces lots of heat and under usual circumstances doesn't last that long, there's even less reason to use it if you can't even see the bulb itself

>>60114474
Man, Commodore PETs really get my dick hard.

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>>60116441
Commodore """"PETs""""

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>>60116664

>>60116664
>>60116687
The commodore logo is too sexy on chicks. I want a commodore TShirt for my wife.

>>60109151
I'll sell you one if you drive to the middle of nowhere kansas to buy it.

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>>60116822

>>60116664
my man

>>60115954
We have those at our cabin.

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Vintage Trinitrons make me moist.

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>playing an 80s game on a 70s console on a 60s TV

>>60119009
kek

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>>60108081
Not really retro, but I got pic related for $4.00 at a Salvation Army today.

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>>60116417
Nobody cares. They didn't need to be banned. Their impact on energy is minuscule. And they're not toxic to dispose of like CFLs.

Their ban was nothing more than feel good virtue signaling by politicians and Big Environmental groups, probably backed by some "campaign contributions" from CFL and LED manufacturers.

That's how most of politics works. And I'm fucking tired of living in a world where that's how most shit works. The vast majority of our problems could be solved by a small group of honest, hard working, high IQ people. Instead we've got greedy shit heads who game the system and are only good at winning popularity contests.

>>60119009
You could've used a Megadrive control pad to play it with a '90s controller.

>>60119242
>They didn't need to be banned.
You can still buy them if you need them, they have practical uses in some fields.

>Their impact on energy is minuscule.
Whose energy? They waste everyone's energy.
>minuscule
People don't need a heater if they want light, typical filament bulb made only 9% of it's power into light, the rest was heat.

>>60119242
>we don't need progress!
bitch please, nobody uses computers in these threads for actual work or daily drivers either

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vintage drink

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>>60119318
>nobody uses computers in these threads for actual work or daily drivers either
Please nigger, making old shit solve new problems is half of the fun, retrogaming is for plebs.

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>>60120143
I guess george wasn't in the pool

>>60108112
>>hipsters
>>is one

>>60115954
You can buy edison bulbs anywhere.

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>>60120223

>>60119160
I fixed the switch on mine a few months ago after it started double clicking. It is working great. I have not found any other mice that fit my hand so well.

>>60121099
Mine was even complete with the cartridge plus all the 4.5G weights.

>>60121099
>I fixed the switch on mine a few months ago after it started double clicking.
how?

>>60121585
It's a bog standard tact switch. You can just solder in a new one.

>>60121585
>>60121700
You don't even need a new switch most of the time. I did this:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-mouse-with-double-click-problem/

http://zalbee.intricus.net/2014/02/how-i-fixed-my-logitech-g500-mouse/

Who here goes to electronic recycling events? Is it a place to pick up fun junk or is it more of a dump-and-run? There's one near me tomorrow, but i don't know if I'll be turned away for trying to snag stuff. Might help if i bring a dead laptop.

>>60121757
Completely depends on local culture and how the event is run. Which event is it?

Some communities are perfectly okay with picking through or swapping things while others won't tolerate garbage-picking degenerates.

>>60121757
>tfw the electronics-recycling drop-off place in your down has a bunch of big "no scavenging" signs
why do they give a shit if I want to take some old Socket 7 toaster?

>>60121794
Usually liability. In some cases they reclaim gold and you're essentially stealing from them.

>>60121793
Local school district in Missouri, open to the public. I think I'm going to end up going, just to see if they're a no-fun zone. Either way, I get rid of a dead laptop.

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I'm on so many levels of hipsteresque irony rn

I took this with my Sony Mavica FD73 floppy disk camera I recently found at goodwill

>>60121931
Are you daniel jackson?

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>>60121960
>digs up archaic relics and has ancient-egyptian-styled wallpaper
maybe I am

>>60120143
>Please nigger, making old shit solve new problems is half of the fun,
Most actual productivity problems were solved in the late 80's if not the 90's. The bulk of modern computing revolves around taking old shit and slapping "doing it on the web" or smartphone onto it.

>>60118711
>Trinitrons
NTSC used to mean Never The Same Color before these came along and showed TV manufacturers how to not be retards about color displays. Shame modern Sony is such a hot mess, it seems like they still have some good engineering talent but are being mismanaged to hell and back.

>>60120303
I buy these kind of things as refurb projects as my hobby. I've got loads of old electronics ranging from a heathkit ham radio from the 70's to my T42, which was a refurb
Hipsters buy these in functional condition to play old games and show off to other hipsters
I buy them to bring back a small bit of technological history and show off to /g/

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does anyone know how to fix this shit? I replaced the video chip because the other one was missing a pin but now I'm getting no basic prompt,just this checkerboard screen.
It's an NTSC Commodore 64 with a Rev.B motherboard.

>>60122179
You have to take out the king.

>>60122179
Try reflowing the pcb and look for bad traces or solder joints.

>>60118439
i need this

>>60121793
>>60121794
I mostly take a bottle of liquor or a box of candy and nobody complains, there's nothing that can't be talked your way into.

>>60122210
http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/MagicWB21p

http://www.sasg.com/mwb/

>>60120143
sounds like exactly what was stated, it's just for fun

>>60121931
>>60121960
>>60122038
Damn, that must be the 3rd time I heard that joke in a retro thread.

>>60122340
Probably because that picture looks almost like it was shot on set of the series.

>>60122179
Take the chess floppy out

>>60119296
>You can still buy them if you need them
For some niche uses. Doesn't change or counter anything I said.

>Whose energy? They waste everyone's energy.
Fuck off. There's no shortage of energy and never will be until the heat death of the universe. And your shitposting takes more energy than those light bulbs did.

>>60119318
>banning = progress
No.

>>60123128
>Fuck off. There's no shortage of energy and never will be until the heat death of the universe.
>9/10's of the power gets made into heat instead of light
>And your shitposting takes more energy than those light bulbs did.
>averages bulbs where 40W-80W, most laptops and all phones take less then half of it
nice b8

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>>60123128
>Fuck off. There's no shortage of energy and never will be until the heat death of the universe.
>so let's waste energy, I mean, who cares it costs money and producing it is mostly harmful for our environment!
Oh God, you are the exact reason they needed to take such drastic measures as banning them from general use.

>>60123371
>wasteful with resources and money
hes probably a NEET to begin with

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Just fixed some stuff. Guess it's old enough to be here?

>QDI P6V694X/A10E
>Pentium 3 850MHz
>128MB PC133 SDRAM
>ABIT Siluro FX5200 64MB
>stock copper AMD cooler

>>60123128
>Fuck off. There's no shortage of energy and never will be until the heat death of the universe.

Tell me Multivac,how can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?

>>60123128
You know Congress defunded the EPA's program for bulb banning, right? They couldn't repeal it outright, but they cut off its balls--and the bulbs are back. There's a full selection of incandescent bulbs at our local stores.

>>60119273
but the megadrive came out in 1988

>>60121794
Because allowing scavengers would likely get them constantly hounded by assholes making a mess of the place while trying to scrape together anything they can flip for a profit on Craigslist or whatever. The e-waste depot at my uni is free game with an unspoken rule of finders keepers, but it's hidden a bit out of the way and you can't pass the electronic locks without a valid student or staff ID, which keeps the undesirable people out.

>>60117255
Source?

>>60124328
INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER

>>60120223
NIIIIIIICK...

>>60109128
Comfy. Bubble Bobble was one of my favorite games as a kid.

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I got one of these stashed away somewhere.
Unfortunately many parts are either broken or missing. Still need to fix that someday.

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>>60128672
It has a really nifty dual 5.25" floppy drive in a half-height case, with rather intricate mechanics.

>>60128672
>>60128777
That's a very cool machine

>>60112160
We had a bunch of these or some other IBM model close to it in the school's computer room in the 90s.

>>60129954
That must have been one poor school having early 80's shit in the 90's, even Apple II's where thrown out by then

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Considered digging out some of my ancient PC's from storage and throwing a new system together in one of them.

Something with y2k stickers on it, wood, and other retarded shit. Purely for my own amusement. Complete with a shitty old keyboard full of cigarette burn marks.

Pic somewhat related

>>60130465
>Pic somewhat related
Clint doesn't do that shit

>>60130476
Don't even know what Clint is, but he can fite me IRL.

>>60130725
LGR, and the picture you uploaded is his woodgrain 486.

>>60128777
>Black 5.25" FDD
I've seen a black single-slot 5.25" FDD at a Salvation Army once.

>>60130465
But wood grain was never really a thing outside the 2600.

>>60130782
Ah, had no idea what it was. Judging from the filename i got it from here.
I have a few that look like that, but nothing with wood.

>>60130806
It would be relatively easy to make though, i have an old TV i can butcher for it. I don't care about authenticity, i just want a comfy looking wreck that doubles as a sleeper so i can blow off all the riced out gaymers.

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>>60130465
>>60130476
>>60130725
>>60130782
>>60130811
This is clint and his 486

>>60130872
>This is Clint, he's a retroholic

>>60130851
Oh then by all means make a nostalgia beast. That would be a really fun project desu

>>60130804
Should've grabbed it, those Tandon drives are very reliable. They only do DD though.

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>>60129507
If only it worked though :(
Main problem is the floppy drive motor. pic related (both drives share a single motor) One of the phases went out so it wont spin up unless you give it a push.
Also the lcd backlight (EL panel) inverter went bust right after taking previous pic, and the keyboard pcb is cracked. It's missing the keyboard cable, too.

>>60131173
Sounds like a nice restoration project

>>60130988
Yeah, i got a boner thinking about making the turbo button actually work, having it switch OC profile to housefire mode and display 666Mhz

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>>60130851
>i have an old TV i can butcher for it
Don't you dare. You can find the same woodgrain wrap lgr used at your local crafts store.

>>60132135
The tv is rekt, i only saved it in case i wanted to build a new monitor into it. Also the buttons are really neat. Doubt it will ever be revived though.

>>60131864
>display 666Mhz
i don't think i've seen a display that is capable of that, only ones i've seen are either "88" type, or "188", without the segments to display anything but "1" in the hundreds column

>>60132350
I have one from a Pentium 100 system, that went up to 120MHz with Turbo mode. But i'm just assuming it would work. Otherwise i'd have to replace it with something more modern.

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>>60132406
>something more modern.
you can still buy 7-segment LED displays

>>60132350
7-segment led displays are widely available in all shapes and sizes.

>>60132406
>>60132434
that said, it'd be pretty cool if you used a colour LCD instead and had 7-segment display style numbers with animated fire in the background or something

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>>60132434
Neat, and noted.
>>60132476
Animated fire is too corny for me, i was just thinking 666 as in the pentagram from Quake, and keeping the stock look.
I kinda like the idea of a small LCD displaying the face(pic related) depending on the PC status/heat level.

>>60132562
maybe you could put the face in place of the "badge" (the square space often found on 90's boxes delegated to the OEM logo)

>>60132653
Not a bad idea, though i will probably keep the old one. Would be sort of poetic though, it was the box i had when Quake came out.

>>60108081
No picture but I still sue a Pentium III 800EB, 512MB (4x128MB) SDRAM, ATI AGP 4650 1GB DDR2 and runs fine for browsing and I use Debian 8

>>60115954
>Banning lightbulbs
Fucking what? What shit country do you live in?

>>60132905

You're not allowed to sell them as lightbulbs in EU. You're allowed to sell them as heatbulbs though.

>>60132135
Most old TV's are crap, don't be a /vr/ hipster and go all "muh CRT" on us

>>60133111
He's still in the right direction on just buying some woodgrain wrap though, trying to pull that shit off of a TV would be a waste of time.

>>60133145
Nah, not the point, he got buttblasted because someone was talking about butchering a TV

>>60133111
this
the only CRTs worth saving are vga anyway.

>>60108081
Is 2006 first gen MacBook Pro retro?

>>60133241
Not really, there are a lot of nice monochrome composite sets to RGB monitors that are worth it, most CRTs are shitty even as TVs though

>>60133252
no.
post it on reddit or something.

>>60133280
Maybe if he was born in '99 and it was his first computer and he has nostalgic feelings for it, it's also nowhere new, then you are in no position to say it's not "retro" for him
Those kinds of questions and answers about is it retro are the things that ruin these threads

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>>60133111
>>60133181
I'm not talking about /vr/ PVMs or something, I just like restoring old TVs.

>>60133308
Shit like that's a way different story from the kind of cheapo '80s shit he was talking about though. I'd murder some faggot too if they wanted to destroy something like that.

>>60133308
>/vr/ PVMs
PVMs are worth monitors though

>>60124275
what the fuck is this shit

>>60130465
>>60130782
>>60130872
I feel like the woodgrain would work better if the faceplate was black. The beige clashes too much IMO.

>>60136526
I think black would be disgusting with woodgrain

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Took this IBM 365XD home from work recently. Boots Win98 when plugged in.
What should I do with it?

>>60136697
Something including C4

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>>60136697
jelly af

>>60136860
No ethernet or CD/R, just floppy. How am I gonna install Gentoo?

>>60136912
Bootstrap with the Debian Woody floppy install, or pull the HDD and install from your main linux, or make a VM with the same size HDD and then dd it over.

>>60136912
Via floppy, duh

>>60136526
Or silver.

>>60136969
That too.

>>60136671
Worked for all those woodgrain CRT TVs.

>>60136984
>Worked for all those woodgrain CRT TVs.
they only had black edges around the crts or back covers you didn't see, else they would have been ugly too

>>60137093
But none of them had beige.

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>>60136697
>screenshot of your phone's camera screen

>>60137177
obviously you don't use bright colours with tv's you tard

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>>60137177

>>60136912
Small Linux kernel with disk tools and Kermit on a floppy, then transfer the rest of the system to it via serial

>>60136984
most black/woodgrain TVs were garbage you can't give away though, the only thing that redeems them is nostalgic mental imagery

>>60132562
I wish they made Quake as they first planned it

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>>60123346
>most laptops and all phones take less then half of it
>what about routers?
>what about cable modems?
>what about cable and fiber optic lines?
>what about microwave repeaters?
>what about servers?
>what about cohost facilities?
>what about cohost ac units?
Face it, your shit posts are murdering Mother Earth. You are literally Hitler.

>>60124441
WINNING

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>>60138514
Please go back to pleddit, your lightbulb posts are too autistic for /g/ (non)standards.

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>>60138698
>lightbulb posts
wdhmb?

>>60136124
Test bed

>>60116664
Dayum

>>60116417
>produces lots of heat
In some places additional heat production is a good thing.

>>60141224
I know a guy who tried replacing the bulb in his oven with a LED one and was surprised when it melted. Like a year later he did the same to his fridge and was surprised when condensation killed it.

>>60141322
my fridge has stock LED lighting, he probably used unprotected voltage regulators or something that were affected, LEDs alone are not sensitive to liquid, they are sealed

>>60141224
...and for those applications you can still buy those types of lights.

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Got a new speaker for my A600, it's nothing retro but thought I'd share and bump

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>>60115954
I replaced most of my incandescent bulbs with amber led bulbs (and a few exposed ones with those led edison replica bulbs). I have a lot of wood furniture in my house, so I always preferred a really warm white.

>>60143868
Looks really comfy anon

>>60136697
>>60136912
Nice find, of course first do a cleanup of the whole thing inside and out. Make it look nice and pretty, fix and scuffs and light scratches with diluted acetone on a sponge.
It should have a CD ROM Drive for at least a slot for one, if not you can pick one up on ebay to swap with the floppy drive.
Or you can go serial to CD but its slow as balls

As far as what you can install on this goes, Windows 98 is probably your maximum. Even with maxed out ram 98SE wouldnt run well.
There are very few linux distros that work down to this level of hardware, DSL would be usable but you wouldnt be doing anything modern on it.

If its got PCMCIA (i think it does) you can get an IBM Etherjet card and download the drivers onto a floppy, then use that to connect to the internet. But dont expect 4chan to be usable, maybe readable at best. Even with legacy captchas

>>60136941
no modern distro is going to fit on a 2.1gb HDD, some may do it just barely, or their minimal installs, but then they would run like shit anyway

>>60144666
>no modern distro is going to fit on a 2.1gb HDD
You can do that easily if you drop the X server and DE. Even out-of-the-box Debian comes in at 1GB like that.

Memory is the bigger issue. If he only has the base 8MB in that machine, well, nothing this side of 2.0.x is going to fit in that. Get that up to something like 24 or 32 and you can do it though. Check out SliTax (.org), they're also one of the few distros still doing i486 builds.

>>60146255
**SliTaz, sorry.

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>>60136697
>>60136912
You can do a heck of a lot more with MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.1 on it

>>60146640
I do hope you mean freedos.

>>60146640
Every time someone posts old shit someone comes in and reccomends an OS older than the hardware.
385XD came out in 1998, it was perfectly capable of 98 and came stock with 95.

The issue is the ram, like that 380ED up top, it has a stock 16 or 32mb module soldered on but a max of 96mb. And that's just barely enough to make 98SE usable. Could it run? Yes. Could 2k or XP run that shit? Yes
Would any of those be really pleasant experiences compared to 98 or 95? Fuck no

But dropping down to something even older is retarded.
Like seeing people posting about P4 machines and being told to install 98 or windows 2k.

Does anyone have pics of retro UNIX stuff?

>>60143578
pigge

>>60146824
This

96-98 was when hardware was getting outdated every quarter
But as soon as you hit late 1999 that's when you get hardware that's capable of modern stuff
A 600x for example from December of 1999 is capable of windows xp and with max memory could probably do light Firefox web browsing
2000 with the R30 is just fine for a stock install of current Ubuntu.

But its like, a couple years back and moving up one OS would be too much for the hardware
Its a point where a lot of people get confused because a computer that would struggle with an OS upgrade by 1 or 2 versions is almost unheard of with anything made in the last 10 years.
Even a T42 is capable of Windows 7 from XP.

>>60146824
Yeah it's perfectly capable of running Windows 95, but it's faster and more responsive when you stick to software slightly older than the hardware.

Windows 9x on Pentium II+
Windows 3.x on Pentium 1 and 486

>>60147194
I like to skip 9x personally. Besides I've never seen any use for 3.1.
DOS on pentium 3 and below.
Windows 2000 on pentium 2 and up.

>>60147392
There are quite a few Win3.1 games that won't run on Win95.

>>60147458
anything worth playing though?

>>60109151
had a 500Mhz p3 slot 1 with win98SE and a voodoo 3 3000 and Golden Orb heatsink. Unreal Tournament was the shit back then

>>60109232
yes, there is

http://www.howtocleanstuff.net/how-to-whiten-yellowed-plastic/

>>60141322
Most new fridges use leds.

>>60143868
Medium is best.

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>tfw not in the alternate universe where microcomputers came out a decade earlier

>>60144666
>no modern distro is going to fit on a 2.1gb HDD, some may do it just barely, or their minimal installs, but then they would run like shit anyway
Anon asked how, I wasn't recommending it. Gentoo is especially bad for low HDD. You'd have to screw around with an external portage tree and stuff.
>>60146255
>If he only has the base 8MB in that machine, well, nothing this side of 2.0.x is going to fit in that.
A stripped down 2.4.x will only consume a few 100KB. I ran one on a 12MB machine just fine.

>>60108081
testing if I can still post now that my pass has expired

>>60142027
>>60147956
It was an off the shelf night light sized screw-in bulb. It was completely unprotected, unlike the ones that come properly sealed in newer fridges.

Welp, I'm picking up a Netra T1 150 tomorrow just to make a video about it, you fuckers better be grateful.

>>60150921
Yay, I still do!
Okay, guess what fagits, I just bought an IBM Model M for $1.5, It's fully functional, all clicky, not a single dent or persistent dirt. Just tore down the bad boy to wash the keycaps.
To think that I bought a filco tkl two years ago for $90.

>>60150976
wew lad. i guess thats a decent deal you got there.
but it aint no model f

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>driving home
>pass recycler that mostly deals in scrap metal and shit
>see pic related out of the corner of my eye on top of an old stove
>is that a-
>quickly run home, get a few empty shells I was going to scrap anyway and trade it out
Hopefully it will test out good and support SOG, I'm thinking of debranding it since I don't have a good beige Precision to pair with it.

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>>60152570
Fuck yeah

Some of the tabs in the plastics got pulled out probably from mishandling I guess and I was afraid it had died and they half-assed a repair attempt.

Now to figure out if my workbench can support it...

>>60147489
>Win3.1 games
>anything worth playing

sure. anything worth playing that doesn't have an equal or better DOS version? not that i know of

Anyone have any experience with this card? I was thinking about getting one for my 5150.
https://www.lo-tech.co.uk/product/lo-tech-isa-compactflash-pcb/

I am also planning to pair it with one of these adapters, since I can't find the type that is recommended.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-44-Pin-Male-IDE-To-SD-Card-Adapter/32701246858.html

If anyone could tell me if this combo would work that would be great, otherwise I'll probably just try it myself in a month or when ever I get the time to assemble it.

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>>60152652
And that's the last blog post, I think I did a pretty shit job configuring it but it's already doing better than I thought it would. So whatever.

>>60152789
>IDE card with 40-pin male desktop connector
>SD2IDE card with 44-pin male laptop connector

>>60153059
he'll need a cable either way, as you can't directly connect male to male (IDE is no homo)
i just hope he understands the compact flash adapter is PCB-only, not premade

>>60153120
>>60153059
well, i guess if he's building the PCB himself, he could opt to just solder an SD adapter directly into the holes
but yea, 44pin has a smaller pitch, so that still wouldn't fit

>>60153120
>>60153162
I understand that the adapter isn't premade. As for the 44 pin Sd card reader, that was my bad reading comprehension. Looks like I'll need to find another SD adapter, thanks for saving me from making a stupid mistake.

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>>60153524
keep in mind the only differences between 40 and 44 pin is;
1. 44pin has a smaller pitch, as it's designed for 2.5" drives (laptops)
2. the additional 4 pins are for power, so there's no need for a seperate power connector on 2.5" drives
they are otherwise the same, so you can use a 40>44pin adapter/cable

>>60147194
>Windows 3.x on Pentium 1 and 486
I used 98 on a 486 and it was plenty responsive.

>>60148416
still not how they would have looked

>>60153120
>he'll need a cable either way, as you can't directly connect male to male (IDE is no homo)
No, you connect the header straight to the PCB

>>60153601
yea, he could, but it'd probably stick out over one or two adjecant ISA slots like that

>>60153626
disconnect the header from the sd card and mount it parallel with the controller

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>>60153584
yeah probably more like this

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I know I said I wouldn't blog about this piece of shit anymore, but my life is complete now.

>>60153683
Yeah, like terminals, that's how most microcomputer early systems looked like anyways.

>>60153798
Real nice anon! So the monitor supports SOG?

>>60153798
comfy/10

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>>60153811
Perfectly. No more eye rape by samshit flat panel for me.

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>>60153798
>IRIX
my sub-Saharan African brother from another mother.

>>60108081
Your 0 to the left of your star key?

The fu--

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>>60152789
Instead of the SD card adapter get pic related.
You then could mount it straight on the LoTech ATA controller or put a cable and make a cutout in a slot cover and mount it on it for easy access.
CF is native ATA anyways and probably will do much better than a SD card, it's not like you're going to use 64GB SD cards anyways.

You could even find a compatible Sound Blaster, a few of the 16-bit ones have working IDE even in an 8-bit slot. Then you would also need something to load an extended BIOS with ATA support, probably a old 3Com ethernet card, some of them have empty BIOS extension sockets you could write your own BIOS onto, it would be more trouble but then you would also have sound and networking with working ATA storage.

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>>60153889
wut? never seen a Model F before?

>>60109232
don't you have sunlight where you are?

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>>60153910
He's referring to your weirdo phone.

>0 to the left of your star key

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Anybody up for some Jazz?

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>>60154120
I even have the right tool for the job

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Is the FW900 retro yet? Just got this for 100. Gonna do refurb work this week.

>>60154296
>is my meme widescreen CRT retro?

>>60154368
Why is it a meme other than "because it's popular bloo-bloo"? It's still one of the highest specced CRTs available.

>>60154389
>It's still one of the highest specced CRTs available.
for a widescreen

>>60154396
16:10 is my personal favorite aspect ratio.

>>60154296
>Just got this for 100
USD? Well ripped off, you got

>>60154427
Explain? 100 is the cheapest price I've seen for one of these since I started looking about 2 years ago.

>>60154427
I don't know, it's a decent match for high-end 2000s workstations and the like that usually cost a lot to begin with, if you cleaned it up it would be a decent monitor in general.

If it was worth it for him I wouldn't bitch too much about it.

>>60154467
Topkek, keep looking at jewbay and hipster prices, usually the bids for one in such condition don't even go half for what you bought it for, boxed and clean would be 100, sure
It's the same with Model M's, it's "muh retro" hipster shit that gets overpriced

>>60154489
Sometimes kikebay is your only option for shit like that, those kinds of displays didn't sell in huge numbers nor did they stick around for long after they were old news.

>>60154488
>high-end 2000s workstations
Widescreen monitor? No sorry

Even for graphics work people used 4:3 monitors just because there are better CRTs with that aspect ratio then this one

>>60154489
You realize I can just take the front off of the thing and repaint it right? Ir's like a 5 dollar project. The rest of the monitor is in top condition.

>>60154524
not the point, the person wanting a 100 bucks for it should have done that if he asked for such a price

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>>60154509
>Widescreen monitor? No sorry
What are you talking about? Workstations were the first to get it, and most major vendors, HP and SGI most notably, offered badged FW900s (among other options) that are quite common to come across, at least as far as older professional displays go.

Whether or not there were "better options" in the aspect ratio is irrelevant, they were still fantastic regardless.

>>60154549
>What are you talking about? Workstations were the first to get it
SGI graphics workstations, not workstations in general

>Whether or not there were "better options" in the aspect ratio is irrelevant
It is relevant if you're going to say like it was the definitive option, not for actual graphics work where colours mattered

>>60154542
I don't really mind. It's only a couple hours out of an afternoon. Sure, once in awhile you can find one of these for cheap on eBay, but coming across them is a rarity.

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>>60154488
>If it was worth it for him I wouldn't bitch too much about it.
>these threads are about circlejerking and sucking eachothers dicks, how dare you ruin our safe zone!

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>>60154549
>SGI graphics workstations, not workstations in general
...and HP, Sun, Dell, possibly IBM as well, along with third parties like La Cie in the Macintosh space. That pretty much covers 80-90% of the mainstream workstation market that offered them as high-end configuration options.
>It is relevant if you're going to say like it was the definitive option, not for actual graphics work where colours mattered
I never said it did, just that it was a good match for such a system. What would you choose, and why? You sound like you're just being contrarian for the sake of hearing yourself complain.
>>60154614
I would say the same thing in pretty much any other thread about any other piece of technology.

>>60154628
>and HP, Sun, Dell, possibly IBM as well, along with third parties like La Cie in the Macintosh space
>Implying even LaCie ever made widescreen CRTs

>>60154628
>That pretty much covers 80-90% of the mainstream workstation market that offered them as high-end configuration options.
SGI was the only one who rebranded the FW9000 for their graphics workstations and had the option for widescreen CRTs.

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>>60154644
You're right about La Cie, the monitor I was thinking of was a rebadged 4:3 Diamondtron with a hood that made it look wider than it actually was.

>>60154690
Nope. Here's an HP A7217A that shipped with higher-end 9000 Visualize systems.

>>60154782
>Implying the 9000 Visualize is not a graphics workstation

>>60120223
Smug fawx

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>>60154782
And Sun's "GDM-FW9010":
http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/sun-feh-2_1/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_24_FD_Premium_CRT.html

>>60154796
Not really, no. They were mostly scientific visualization and CAD/CAM boxes, HP-UX's graphics software base was practically non-existent.

Stop moving the goalposts.

>>60154848
>Stop moving the goalposts.
Wut, the point is nobody used widescreen CRTs for actual workstations and looking back at it, it's pretty much so

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>>60154877
I just showed you examples from three different major workstation vendors who apparently had enough customer demand to go through the effort of badge-engineering an existing product and offering it as an option with their workstations. You keep moving the goalposts saying they were for "graphics" (like for some reason those aren't "real" workstations) and even when I demonstrate two companies that had fuck all options or real-world usage in graphics you just go around in circles and re-iterate the same bullshit point I just tackled.

You're fucking retarded, just stop posting already.

>>60154848
>>60154877
>Stop moving the goalposts.
>I don't know how discussion and arguments work
You both seem like retards.

>>60154951
>I can't read but I want to feel a part of the discussion

>>60154965
>I'm so autistic I argue on the Internet about things I have no idea about
Dunno if bait or actually mentally challenged.

>>60154948
Nope
The only company making workstations who could profitably market them was SGI
Second, even then those screens where not the go to for actual graphics work for most
Other types of workstations prefered always 4:3 monitors

Just because you sperg out and scream "I showed you examples!!! Dosen't matter I still shat my pants when the information in this discussion was still relevant!!" does not make it so

>>60154965
How funny you tell others they can't read while you seem challenged understanding posts in the first place or just too close minded to do actual research on a topic

>>60154948
>You're fucking retarded, just stop posting already.
Also, projecting much?

>>60154965
>I don't know how to discuss or argue about something
>fuck off this is my thread!!!

>>60155052
>Second, even then those screens where not the go to for actual graphics work for most
Why do you keep re-iterating this point? Where was this ever stated that the opposite was the case?
You've been on a multi-post autistic tirade over this sentence:
>I don't know, it's a decent match for high-end 2000s workstations
Because you're retarded and unable to read, you seemingly interpreted it as:
>I don't know, it's the absolute definitive monitor to always pair with a high-end 2000s workstation
Did I miss something, or are you just angry that I shit on your attempt to look like a cool oldfag when you literally know fuck all about what you're talking about?
>The only company making workstations who could profitably market them was SGI
Chirst dude, SGI was a fucking husk of its former self by the time monitors of that class were selling, they couldn't profitably market water to a sand nigger.

>>60155174
Not him, but maybe because you want to seem like you know what you are talking about when you don't? Also you pretty much acted like it was a definitive monitor, please get a trip so I can filter you, your posts make me cringe so hard.

>>60155174
>Christ*** dude, SGI was a fucking husk of its former self by the time monitors of that class were selling, they couldn't profitably market water to a sand nigger.
>implying former self matter in this discussion
They where the only ones who actually sold them in any particular numbers with their machines, stop being brain dead and blind

>>60155224
>Not him
No, I really doubt more than one person can be this autistic at once, sorry.
>>60155226
Got sales figures to back that up? It seems like it was more that they were the only ones who had lots of pictures taken of them, Sun and HP both could easily outsell them by a longshot, SGI was nothing by then.

Anyways, this is a really shit attempt to change the subject and distract from the fact that you know dick and just want to hear(read?) yourself argue. Please stop covering your ass and get back on topic, re-iterate to me exactly where I misunderstood you.

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>>60155314
>No, I really doubt more than one person can be this autistic at once, sorry.
Maybe you are being the autistic one? Seriously, this thread was cool, stop derailing it.

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>>60155314
>Anyways, this is a really shit attempt to change the subject and distract from the fact that you know dick and just want to hear(read?) yourself argue. Please stop covering your ass and get back on topic, re-iterate to me exactly where I misunderstood you.
Are you really this stupid? Not only do you not know how to argue and spill out words like "stop changing the goalpost!", calling others names and now you tell me I have no idea while you have been the one posting shit all the time?

>>60155421
Thanks for backing me up, people like this really do ruin these threads.

>>60155314
>Anyways, this is a really shit attempt to change the subject and distract from the fact that you know dick and just want to hear(read?) yourself argue. Please stop covering your ass and get back on topic, re-iterate to me exactly where I misunderstood you.
is this some sort of reverse psychology?

>>60155457
That's called autism, at it's finest.

>>60155421
Cry more faggot, this isn't Reddit. You can use this fantastic new thing called quoting to carry on another conversation in parallel, and even make a new thread if the bump limit is reached.

>>60155438
>b-but you don't know how to argue!!! you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb
You're just going to keep spouting the same retarded thing that's not even relevant to the topic over and over again until you get the last word, huh? Well take it, I think my work is done here.

>>60155529
>Cry more faggot, this isn't Reddit.
Indeed, you should go back there.

>>60155529
>You're just going to keep spouting the same retarded thing that's not even relevant to the topic over and over again until you get the last word, huh? Well take it, I think my work is done here.

>Does not get the point, even when told several times
>Starts spamming and shitposting
>Hurr, fine, I leave, b-but you are not right!
>Bunch of projection

>>60155549
Nah, I'll hang around here, it's not me who needs a safe space.

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>>60155314
>>60155529
>>60155571

>>60155571
>it's not me who needs a safe space
>stop posting!!! >>60154614

>>60155583
Kek

>>60155584
>stop derailing my precious circlejerk!!!
Farm some more upvotes on r/retrobattlestations first, when you have at least 100 then we'll talk.

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When you guys finish arguing about stupid shit could we get back to comfy retro?

>>60155611
This guy hasn't run out of VPNs yet to jerk himself off, just wait a bit.

>>60155607
You know your point is irrelevant because I didn't talk about safe spaces but derailing threads? I can take some shit in a thread, as long as it's on topic and not just name calling, you obviously can't.

Also /r/retrobattlestations? You should go there, I don't think anyone would miss you.

>>60155621
I don't think you can post from VPNs as they are almost all blocked or banned.

>>60155621
>it's others who are wrong! it's impossible for more then one person to be against me! I'm so smart!
k

>>60155607
>r/retrobattlestations
that has to be one of the most hipster shitholes I have ever seen

>>60155529
>b-but you don't know how to argue!!! you're dumb you're dumb you're dumb
Because you're obviously the expert here.

>>60155621
You are just as dumb if you keep up this shit.

>>60155630
You're crying and bawling about "thread derailment" on fucking 4chan.
This thread has had more activity in the last hour or so than it had in the 3 days before it that were just reposts of the same old shit everyone's seen a million times from the same old five attention whores and jerking off, it's glorious.

>>60155640
Considering we started out discussing the usage of a CRT aspect ratio in the mid 2000s high-end that then quickly degenerated into a bunch of pointless crying about the alleged misuse of the term "moving the goalposts", yeah, I'd say you and your white knight are pretty fucking retarded.

>>60155660
Everyones an expert on /gee/ :^)

>>60155670
I'm bored, and you keep on crying with every reply. The thread will hit the bump limit soon and we'll start all over, don't worry.

>>60155672
>Considering we started out discussing the usage of a CRT aspect ratio in the mid 2000s high-end that then quickly degenerated into a bunch of pointless crying about the alleged misuse of the term "moving the goalposts", yeah, I'd say you and your white knight are pretty fucking retarded.
>Can't understand basics or arguments, thinks he knows the definitive truth, can't see a point when told many times, thinks others are the dumb ones and starts calling names
and you still wonder why people started to dislike you?

>>60155672
>You're crying and bawling about "thread derailment" on fucking 4chan.
>I'm a degenerate so everyone else must be one too! It's 4chan!!!

>This thread has had more activity in the last hour or so than it had in the 3 days before it that were just reposts of the same old shit everyone's seen a million times from the same old five attention whores and jerking off, it's glorious.
Nobody is forcing you to stay you know.

>>60155692
I haven't posted anything for hours? Why the butthurt?

>>60155672
>>60155692
>This thread has had more activity in the last hour or so than it had in the 3 days before it that were just reposts of the same old shit everyone's seen a million times from the same old five attention whores and jerking off, it's glorious.
>The thread will hit the bump limit soon and we'll start all over, don't worry.
Why do you even come here if you don't like the thread and just want to shitpost? I really enjoyed it before this shitstorm started.

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>>60155702
Anyone else suddenly down for the topic of widescreen CRTs being an automatic ban here?

>>60155742
+1

>>60155742
Sure, this reminds me of the time one anon started spering out because someone was posting Apple IIs and IBM XTs

>>60155696
You didn't tell me shit, you just complained that I misused "moving the goalposts" or whatever the fuck because your original attempt to look like some sort of workstation expert fell through the floor and you misinterpreted what I said because you felt like your 4:3 fetish was being attacked or something, and when I asked what exactly I was missing in the original discussion, I got dick. All you're doing is whining about the argument strategy instead of the actual argument. It's 4chan, not debate class.
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>>60155741
No, I still enjoy the threads, but I also enjoy calling retards out when they're being retarded. I'm sorry it interrupted your occasional image repost and made it hard to click a bright red post number to continue whatever conversations you seem to say you were having.
>>60155716
Sure you haven't...

Just ignore it.

>>60155818
Thread's almost to the bump limit anyway, maybe it's time to just kill it prematurely.

>>60155806
>You didn't tell me shit...
>Still does not get the point after several posts explanation, starts calling others names while they maybe do have a better understanding of things he started to argue about
maybe I am a workstation expert, it wouldn't do me much good because you obviously can't understand simple shit

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>>60155828
Doesn't mean you have to fuck things up more.

>>60155842
You didn't. Explain. Shit.

>>60155806
>Sure you haven't...
Dude, my last posts where literary hours ago, all I said was that could we please continue the retro after all this shitstorm.

>>60155847
Maybe just re-read the posts a few times, it might actually come to you.

>>60154628
Holy shit, is this 3D with head tracking?

>>60133308
what's the resolution of such a screen? looks real comfy

>>60155742
Nah, shit like this happens all the time, too many rules will just make the threads boring as fuck

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>>60155607
>r/retrobattlestations
do people from here actually go there?

>>60155925
Where do you think he took the idea?

>>60155915
I'd guess 240p?

>>60155853
Here, because you've pushed me into autistic levels of rage I'll walk you through it.

>>60154296
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>>60154427
Some guy posts his FW900 to attention whore even though he's already got a whole thread dedicated to it, people shit on it, whatever.
>>60154488
I say it's an okay match for some old high-end shit (it is, nobody paid 4 figures for a fucking monitor to use on a cheap gaming box)
>>60154509
>but nobody used widescreen monitors on workstations
>>60154549
I list a few companies that rebadged the FW900, widescreen's been a thing in workstations for a long time
>>60154564
Nitpicking about SGI being graphics workstations and not "workstations in general" (even though I mentioned HP as well and you were just saying everyone used 4:3 in that field too)
>>60154628
I list some other vendors, admittedly three of them were wrong.
>>60154690
"SGI was the only one who did it"
>>60154782
I post an HP rebadge
>>60154796
"that's just a graphics workstation"
>>60154848
It's not
>>60154877
>but I'm right, okay? you didn't post any REAL workstations that fit my definition

And so on, everything goes to shit. Show me the post where I went wrong, and maybe I did. I saw a few sentences in there lacking punctuation that I may have misinterpreted.

>>60155946
kek

>>60155949
Why bother making such a useless post?

>>60155953
I didn't except you would actually reply to him

>>60155966
Autism is an incredible thing sometimes.

>>60155946
>even though he's already got a whole thread dedicated to it
kek, didn't even see that, what a faggot.

NEW THREAD

>>60155906

Hope you guys can keep it in your pants this time.

>>60155915
if it's NTSC, then 480 visible lines, if it's PAL, then 576 visible lines
due to the way they work, there is no specific horizontal resolution, though the color mask will effectively limit what can be displayed on it, if you go off what DVD uses, which is designed to saturate these types of televisions, then 720 (x480/576)