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/wt/ - watch thread

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This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch.

>Required Viewing For Newbies:
https://youtu.be/_2J5phyd9J4

>Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

Previous thread:
>>60087891
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Shock Bois we out here
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>>60105136

Small white guy in a big truck.
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R8

Casio has done me well, not too bulky like the the shellshock ones, but still has the the original casio design
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>>60105208
It's a ranger
Big white guy in a small truck
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I'm thinking about putting it on a NATO
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>>60105257
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posting sexy watch again
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>>60105505
Incredible. Too bad its tegimented
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>>60105505

This watch is $1000 too expensive.

But yes, it looks nice.
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>>60105536

meh, i love the look of the bracelet. those links...
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post best black leather straps
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>>60105283
Absolutely not. An Eulit perlon would be fine, but that watch on a NATO would be haram as fuck.
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>>60105257
I like these but they're not tuff e nuff
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>>60105257
>not too bulky
The thing's massive, anon.
It's super functional for a $15 watch, good value if nothing else.
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tfw I bought a sarb for 300usd as a gift to myself for graduating and my family laugh at me because I "spent so much on a watch".
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>>60105852
your family kind of sounds like jerks
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>>60105136
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>>60105934
This is the new meme
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>>60105934
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>>60105505
One of my absolute favorite chronograph designs. Too bad it uses a Valjoux 7750, meaning I would never buy one.
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A reminder that NATO straps are obsolete
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>>60105257

>giant scratch across face
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>>60105956

what's wrong? classic movement, everyone knows it, easy to service.
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>>60105536
it's not
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>>60099605

I paid $3900 with the Rolex box (no papers) for mine which was a steal considering literally 90% of Exploter IIs for sale are beater pieces of shit with stretched/mismatched bracelets, over-polishing, have been serviced by hacks, etc. Only problem mine had was that, if it even was serviced, it was like a decade before I bought it as it was like 2 minutes slow. I paid $550 for a complete strip down service to bring it up to speed and now it runs great. Apparently it was some dude's safe queen that he barely wore and looking at it's condition (other than some paint on the bezel that has come off over 2 decades) it looks like it's seen relatively little use.

My biggest advice for getting one is only buy from people with
>shitloads of HD pictures of this particular watch
>Stellar return policies with no bullshit about restocking fees, short return periods, etc.
>Top notch reputation

This one is my third. First was from Beckertime and it was real and very, very nice (and cheap) but it was the wrong dial as they gave me a Luminova version and I hate the constant green glow. Second was from a local jewelry store and that thing kept erratic time, had oil-stained hands, and I learned it had an aftermarket crystal from the Rolex forums because the magnification wasn't quite right. Third one I got from Collector's Coin and Jewelry and although I'm satisfied with the purchase for it's price plus quality of the watch, I am annoyed that the "running within COSC spec thing" was bullshit and that if it was serviced, it was when he bought it probably many years beforehand.
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>>60105805
Pretty functional, yes.

This is about as big as it gets for me, obviously I don't have thick meaty wrists like some, so going any bigger would look weird, after a while and some bulking I think it looks alright. Some other casios to compare.

>>60105976 the scratch helps the watch build character.
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>>60106028
The Valjoux 7750 is technically inferior to the Lemania 5100, the Seiko 8RXX, hell and even the vintage Seiko 701x and I sure as hell am not paying $2,400 USD for a watch with one.

That's not even to mention the chronograph second hand stutter.
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>>60106156
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>>60106186
>The Valjoux 7750 is technically inferior to the Lemania 5100

>generic ETA shit is inferior to one of the best Chronograph movements ever devised
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>>60106241
I mentioned the Lemania 5100 because I own a Speedmaster Mark 4.5

Seiko 8RXX is also a significantly technically superior design available at a significantly lower price than the Sinn 356.
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>>60105136
>taking a photo while driving
Please kill yourself before you kill someone else
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>>60105136

at least that watch will survive the crash
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Hey senpai I word my SARG005 to the interview and got the job. We Rolex soon.
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>>60106186
the 7750 is a robust movement, if it's good enough for Hodinkee (literally everyone at Hodinkee)... it's good enough for me. that goes for natos too (on SOME watches).

you can suck my balls.
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>>60107222

>We Rolex soon
>Not Grand Seiko
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>>60107303
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>tfw hearing the balance in your cheap vintage seiko swing while fapping
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>>60107733

>masturbating with a watch on

lefty?
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>>60107888
Ambidextrous masturbater
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Too big4me?
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>>60108169

toobig4u and toobig4ur strap
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My first watch
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>>60108208

we can tell
>what time is it
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>>60108234
1:02 in that picture.. it took me a couple days to get used to reading it lol
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>what the

Is this a knockoff or does Movado really make fossil-tier watches now
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>>60108285
no its just an older model.. my wife got it for me as a wedding present on ebay for dirt cheap. Had it opened up a shop its real
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>>60108306
Don't get me wrong I like your watch

I just always thought movados were like a grand. Wonder what's wrong with this $200 one. Maybe Chinese manufacture?
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>>60108326
I'm not sure.. usually one like that would go for 500-600. Maybe it's just in the same boat of being a really old model they trying to get rid of
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>>60108306
Did you leave her?
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>>60108499
No. My wife is currently waiting her first son, and since the nigger father is no longer around, I can't leave until I finish rasing the bastard.
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>>60108557

>Hello, this is my wife's son
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>>60108813
>hey what time is it anon?
>well let me just check my... AT LAST I TRULY SEE
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>>60109172
Lol.
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>>60109172
MY GOD ITS FULL OF STARS
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>>60109735
One of my grails. How many were made exactly?
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>>60109815
1000, including the gold case ones according to wiki.
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>>60108813
>That 311
So is this what Omega has ended up as: living on past glories, putting new lip stick on the old pigs?

In two years time it will be 50 years since the first Moon landing. What anniversary watch will they launch? A pink monstrosity? With Swarovski crystals?
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>>60109841
>1000
Reminder that on the other hand cuck-axials have been made in the several millions since 1999.
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How's this for a start if I have small wrists? Casio for a beater
Seiko series 5(?) Field watch for everything else
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>>60110262
That's 1000 of the stardust megaquartz's. I'm sure the number of any single model omega model is much smaller than the total.
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>>60110271
Good if the casio is a f91w or a g-shock dw5600
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>>60110271
They are both beaters though. You might want to get either one of them for a beater and a more formal watch like Orient Bambino for smarter situations.
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>>60109815
There are 2 on sale at chrono24 right now.
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Hydro'd it for fun when I bought it a year ago, it just werks and I've come to like it a lot. I have an old seamaster in a drawer that needs some work but I'm satisfied with this one.
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>>60109735
Nice Apple Watch homage m8.
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>>60110490
looks slick
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>>60107290
>Robust
Except that the Lemania 5100 is far more robust, and that "robust" is usually said when a movement that belongs in $700 watches is found in a $2,500 watch.

Again, you can get a Seiko 8Rxx chrono for ~$1,600 that has a VASTLY better designed triple vertical clutch column wheel chronograph.

>Good enough for Hodinkee
Do you normally rely on the opinions of paid shills?
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>>60111322
>you can get a Seiko 8Rxx chrono for ~$1,600
Any examples of those? Preferably with a rotating bezel?
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>>60110197
Why, did you expect the utterly rapacious mountain Jews at Swatch to actually spend money on engineering or innovation? Why would they do that when they could make 37 more purely cosmetic special editions to bilk their sucker customers with?
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>>60111344
Sorry, none of them have rotating bezels.

Here is the enameled dial version (my personal favorite 8Rxx in current production).
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>>60111344
>>60111381
This one is more SARB/SARX/SDGM styled.
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>>60111381
>>60111483
I have no doubt the tech is going to be impressive, but I don't see the use for a dressy chronograph.
What are you gonna do, time the prawn cocktail?

And for that reason, I am out.
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>>60111504
Suit yourself. I tend to prefer more austere styling in my watches.
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>>60105283
belongs on a vintage-style casual leather strap or a nicer strap as in the pic, nato is retarded for this. in fact i think this is b8.
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>>60111573
that's not austere
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How much would the battery monkey at a pawn shop or watch shop charge to replace a watch glass with generic sapphire crystal? I'm considering whether or not to spend $30 on the stuff to do it myself
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>>60111606
Compared to most 'sports' chronographs it is, and I already said the enameled dial version (the most austere design) was my favorite.
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>>60105852
They're in the right here.
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>>60111677
>the most austere design
déclassé confirmed
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>>60111504
>there are people who don't dive for work and spend tens of thousands for giant ultra accurate dive watches
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>>60105852
Meanwhile the SARB is probably the single best value for money mechanical watch on the market.
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>>60111677
>preferring enamel over urushi
>Seiko quartz chronograph
>believing the meme that ALL seikos are awesome watches
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>>60111748
>mfw by the time that guy replaces his battery a few times your watch will be in a landfill or collecting dust in a box
>a few more times and your kids will be selling your unserviced shit for $50 on eBay while someone can still wear his watch
>yet here you are greentexting quartz as if it's self-evidently bad
heh
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>>60111364
Well I don't really know what to expect from them anymore. The Quartz crisis evidently didn't teach them their lesson well enough, the MEMS crisis will wipe them out.

And yes, I really want an innovative watch with informative face without looking like a bomb went off in a 1970's disco.

At this rate I guess anons in here can do a better job of face design.
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>>60111748
The Presages are awesome
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What kind of watch would you recommend for an advocate of racial purity?
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>>60111793
After the fiasco their attempt to implement the co-axial escapement on a production basis turned in to, I would expect them to do everything in their power to avoid having to do any more movement R&D or innovation for as long as they can possibly get away with.
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>>60111828
you don't even KNOW what urushi is

before I point you in the direction of the model... I need you to explore urushi. look at how many man hours go into producing 1 dial.

I won't even go into the Japanese polishing technique used on GS, it's over your heads.
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>>60111748
Maybe you should look up the Seiko 8Rxx movement before commenting. Also, feel free to point me to the Urushi dialed 8R chronograph model.
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>>60111857
>feel free to point me to the Urushi dialed 8R chronograph model.
Yeah, it's this really obscure version they don't make anymore. My dad has two but they're in the attic. Owned.
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>>60111851
Yes I know what Urushi is. As far as I knew Seiko never used an urushi dial in the 8R chronograph models. As it turns out, they did offer it in a limited edition for the 60th anniversary. I didn't know that. It's too bad they don't offer a production room version with the Roman numerals.

Also, the 8Rxx is one of the best modern triple vertical clutch column wheel chronograph movement designs on the market right now.

As for Grand Seiko I'm more impressed by the MEMS balance wheels than the zaratsu polishing, as beautiful as the latter is
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>>60111907
now we're getting somewhere.

>zaratsu polishing

I didn't think any of the animals in these threads would ever know about urushi or zaratsu.

>>60111857
I know more about that movement than you know about the look of your FACE
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>>60111979
>I know more about that movement

Not him, but pls to explain the benefits of this movement over, say, a 7750.
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>>60112004
like the fact that the 8r has bidirectional winding (look that up, you won't understand)

my credibility's long established in the world of horology.
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>>60112107
>my credibility's long established in the world of horology.
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>>60111979
Now I'm genuinely curious. What do you think of Grand Seiko using a MEMS process to make the balance wheels for their hi-beat models? What advantages do you think the process offers versus the conventional approach to making balance wheels?
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>>60112107
>my credibility's long established in the world of horology.
Ok anon
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>>60112107
>my credibility's long established in the world of horology
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>>60112153
>>60112182
>>60112213
What the watch did you just say about me, with your little wrists? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Patek Haute 'De Horology and I’ve been involved in numerous watchmaking meetings in Geneva! and I have over 300 confirmed NATOs. I am trained in watchmaking and I’m the top strap changer in the entire Seiko factory. You are nothing to me but just another rolex wearer. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying that to me over the Internet? Think again, leather wearer. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of watchmakers across Switzerland and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your watch collection. You’re done collecting, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can ban you from any AD in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my phone. I have access to the entire arsenal of the Haute horolgie foundation Geneva and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable collection off the face of the continent, If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. You’re done collecting, Kiddo.
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>>60112164
mems technology's amazing.

what you're getting are virtually perfect balance wheels, thus improving accuracy and reserve.

I wish they'd utilize silicon components as well.
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>>60112107
>my credibility's long established in the world of horology.
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This chart should be able to answer most of your questions.

Let's try to keep the erroneous posts out of the thread, and delve into meaningful horological discussion.

And yes. My horological pedigree is impeccable.

--Best Regards
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>>60112255
The balance wheels they are producing that way are also hollow, reducing their inertia significantly and thus reducing the wear and tear penalty of a 36,000 bph movement.

I also believe that the micrometer precision they are making those balance wheels to goes a long way to explaining how they are able to achieve such low positional variance despite using a regulated balance rather than a free sprung approach.

You're going to have to be patient on silicon. What is Grand Seiko today really started as Daini Seikosha from back when Seiko was internally subdivided into two competing companies, and Daini has tended to conservatism in its design and engineering approach for its entire history.

They usually tend to take fairly traditional design approaches and get the performance by throwing rediculous amounts of inspection and adjustment labour at it.
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>>60111344
I'm wearing one right now.
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>>60112363
Audemars Piguet should be moved to "Only if you really want to" as they've done close to nothing in the last 10-20 years to merit them continuing to be mentioned in the same breath as ALS, PP, VC and JLC.

Glashutte, Ulysse Nardin, non in-house Tudor, Breitling, Omega and Blancpain should definitely be moved out of the top tier and into--at best--the "only if you really want to" category.

Girard Perregaux and Piaget should be moved to the top tier, Damasko should be added to the top tier (they are--on the technical merits--the best serious toolwatch maker on earth).

Most of the brands in the "only if you really want to" cateogory should be moved to "watches you should never buy". I mean seriously, Panerai?
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>>60112363
close but not quite right, you have to sign with your username and misuse or shoehorn in unnecessary words that sound sophisticated to stupid people

Best Regards

- Balki Bartokomous
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>>60112424
I hope that the bracelets are more substantial at the presage level.
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>>60112438
From what I know the bracelets used on those models are the same as the one on the Brightz SDGM001 (which I own). They are solid-link, solid-end link bracelets where each link is made up of five separate articulating pieces in a brushed/polished/brushed/polished/brush configuration with two half links and a nice quality clasp. The bracelet also features diashield to reduce scratching.
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>>60112438
Bracelet is pretty good, it's not quite as nice as the one on my citizen grand classic but its a lot better than the others in my collection.
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>>60112472
Same as SARX033/035 actually, the SDGM ones are a bit different in terms of proportion. Same construction though.
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>open piaget from the late 70s
>escape wheel and pallet fork are solid gold

for what purpose?
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>>60112516
Cost savings.
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>>60112432

D A M A S K O
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How are Fortis watches?
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Where does the eta 2895 place?
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>>60112804
HNNNNNNGGGGGGG
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>>60112983
?
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>>60112983
If you are asking about the quality of the movement, it is a small-seconds variant of the ETA 2892-A2 which is one of the best series produced automatic movement designs of all time.

Of course, as with all ETA movements it will also depend on the grade of the specific ETA 2895-2 in question, as there are significant quality differences between lower and higher grades of the same ETA movements.
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>>60112987
>>60112804
Is the Damasko in-house caliber based on an ETA or something similar?
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>>60112987

what are we looking at
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>>60113086
Silicon cog.
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>>60113086
Plastic
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Ask someone who had to amputate a man my own age's arm and 3 fingers on his other hand after he was abused by his hitler mother for years and not taken to a doctor for treatment anything.

After today I will never hesitate when buying a watch I like because at least I have my arms.
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>>60111869

My dad has three, but they're under the sub-floor.
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>>60113143
What did you have for breakfast?
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>>60113077
Damasko both makes models using ETA calibers to achieve a relatively affordable pricepoint for their casing technologies and also has developed an in-house silicon-hairspring, silicon balance wheel, and silicon escape wheel free-sprung balance with gyromax rate adjustment (theoretically superior even to Rolex's eccentric screw approach).

I don't think I can adequately emphasize how large of an horological leap that was in a single step. It would be like a small carmaker that made only the body and chassis and purchased engines leaping directly to making a Formula 1 motor.
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>>60113027
Small seconds? What does that mean.
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>>60113178
But is that in-house movement based on something like an ETA or valjoux?
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>>60113182
It means the second hand is on a small subdial rather than on the same central pivot as the hour and minute hands (pic related).
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>>60113205
As far as I know the A35 is not based on an existing movement design. They do use their proprietary silicon escapement in a modified Valjoux 7750 as well for chronographs though.

Mind you, the overwhelming majority of the engineering challenge and expense in designing a mechanical movement are in designing and manufacturing the escapement, so by the time Damasko replaces the entire escapement in the Valjoux 7750 with their own MASSIVELY higher grade escapement, it doesn't really make much sense to call it "based on" the Valjoux in anything like the sense its normally used when talking about movements.
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>>60113173

McDonalds. I work bad shifts.
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>>60113252
desu i've been turned off Damasko by that Page and Cooper imp who puts out the majority of Damasko videos.

Just the way he says "castamah" instead of customer makes my skin crawl.
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Asking again, how are fortis watches? Watch buys just brought the price on them down for US and Canada.
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>>60113545
They're soft as dogshit.
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>>60111850
They could put some funding into Openmovement and use that movement. I am more interested in the features above that, the complications that are shown on the face.

Oechslin bases his constructions on plain ETA movements so it is tragic Omega cannot do better.
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But I love the 90s aesthetic. Scalloped bezels are very underrated
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>>60113143
Had the same realization not too long ago but for legs and I dropped several thousand on flight sim rudders and a cockpit. No regrets.
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>>60112164
Not him but MEMS should bring numerous advantages to mechanical and also quartz watches.

First off the accuracy as well as precision is far better so less adjustments are required. The parts will be lighter and thinner allowing for faster beats and less friction which turns into both more power reserve and less wear.

Gears can be made far, far smaller and thinner allowing for more complications without turning a watch into a wrist chimney. Also quartz movements should benefit from this.

Dry etching and photolith are well established technologies so it is a question of time before many turn to supplying components such as base movements and add on complications.

You can also use the technology to make finely patterned yet elegantly shaped hands.

You can also make very finely patterned faces with finely patterned lume using thin or thick film technologies.
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>>60112368
I agree with most of what you write, just wanted to add that precision level is now down to a few nanometres. There are even 3D printers working on sub micron levels.

Silicon is the standard material but also sapphire (or alumina) as well as other materials can be used. For tribological reasons it is preferred that wheels engage with wheels of different hardness.

Thus you can make skeleton watches on an entirely new level with transparent bridges made of sapphire (with jewels fabricated directly in the bridge) and transparent/coloured wheels.
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At last, AT LAST someone has seen the light and lumed the date. Lumed moon phase is also comfy.

Pic related.

When will Omega learn? The Speedy Tuesday design was well lumed. It is symptomatic of the spuds in Omega that this was not their idea.
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>>60113692
What do you mean by this
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Looking for a WWII pilot era looking watch, don't want anything fancy, up to £150. Any suggestions?
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>>60114286
https://www.aeromatic-1912.com/classic.html
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>>60114286

Tisell. They finally made a pilot watch without the concave bezel.

http://mobile--shop2.tisellkr.cafe24.com/product/tisell-40mm-pilot-miyota-9015-lume-bgw9/31/?cate_no=1&display_group=4
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>>60114337
>>60114409
If you wanna go a step up, you'll quickly jump up to 300-500$ ranges with Laco and +1k ranges with Damasko and Sinn
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>>60114286
>I want X
>I don't want to pay for it
Everyday on /wt/

Nevertheless go for >>60114409
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>>60114441

Miyota 9015 in a sub $200 watch.
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>>60105136
Taking /n/-approved transport (bus) of course
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>>60107733
>tfw jerk on my left and write with my right
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>>60114441
Would you know how Damasko, Sinn and Stowa compare?
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>>60113921
>>60113980
These are all very good points. I hope Grand Seiko doesn't waste the massive advantage they have in having a head start over everyone else in the application of MEMS to movement manufactjring. As I understand it, one of the issues holding back it's adoption is the capital investments required are too big for most of the smaller, more experimental watchmakers. Here is where Seiko could give GS and Credor a big leg up on everyone else.
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>>60114896
Damasko offers much better value for money than Sinn, which prices have come to far outstrip the technology they offer at any give pricepoint.

Stowa shoves ETA movement into Chinese cases and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the other two.
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>>60114973
I thought they were all ETA except that one model by Damasko?
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Left or right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqTdYIAQiU0

Thinking of getting a 14270 Explorer but don't know if it would be a good purchase.
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>>60108272
Firstly, you need some numbers to read, fucker!
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>>60115010
Damasko also has a few models using a Valjoux 7750 with the escapement replaced with their own, in addition to their A35 powered models.

In any case, I was referring to Damasko's casing technologies which all come on their $1,050 DA36 while Sinn uses NONE of their casing technologies on the similarly priced 556.
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>>60115064
A lot of old explorers seem to have a dial that looks very fresh, like your pic. Is that a redial?

And of course, LEFT

>>60115194
Thanks. Although I don't get the idea of paying $1k for a nice case with a 2824 or SW200 thrown inside.
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>>60108419
>'that digital radio controlled, solar powered and shock resistant 20 bar WR wristwatch is unsatisfactory to my plebean, uncontributing person'
What did he mean by this?
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>>60115263
Sure, but at least with the Damasko you are actually getting the case tech, and for only $500 more than the cheapest your going to get a watch with an ETA 2824-2 base or elabore.
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>>60114866
is /n/ the automobile communist board?
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Looking for a watch with a budget of £150. Anybody got at recommendations on what i should get?
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>>60115725
More money
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What's /g/'s opinion on Certina automatics? They don't seem too bad from what I've seen.
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>>60113910

I've been a doctor for 2 years now but after todays' experience, I can truly say I've seen some shit.

This guy had type 1 diabetes that wasn't treated for years and his whole body is rotting away like those videos you see of Russians who use krokodil. Apparently he was scared of doctors and nurses and his mother just kept him at home and treated him like a small child. Death would be better than the pain he's currently going through. Where his ass cheeks are supposed to be, there are only holes, to give you an idea.
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Am I silly for wanting to build a Vostok Amphibian?

My plan would be to buy a case kit (case, caseback, springbars, crystal, gaskets), movement, hands, dial, crown and the tools to put it together.

When I get the dial, I'm considering removing the old lume on it and applying my own lume to it like pic related but maybe a different dial.

I already have an Amphibian I changed the bezel and caseback on just in case anyone thinks it's relevant
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>>60115469
they're the ones that hate cars, and /o/ hates everything that isn't a car or motorbike which you drive

It's a shame that on april fools gook moot didn't combine the two. It would have gone down worse than /pol/ and /mlp/
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>>60116108

Many people have done it and so can you. You need certain tools to put it together though.
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>>60114079

Jaycis chroist that is pretty. I don't really like that watch when the light is on but if it looks like that!
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>>60115346
>What did he mean by this?
It means swiss made high-end master race patrician collector is displeased with the piece of plastic crap with shitty quartz caliber you dare to call "watch".
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>>60116328
Some fully lumed watches have been described as torches and blueish light messes up the sleep cycle. Ideally red face and amber hour markers would be better with yellow hands.

With age blueish background is uncomfy.

For divers, and I am not meaning going into a shower having forgotten to remove your watch, but for real divers used at depth blue is better since it is less absorbed by sea water.
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>>60116108
A whole lot of money and work to make a shitty watch that is only recommended because it's cheap as fuck slightly less shitty.
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>>60115812
Any better suggestions?
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>>60116734
Lots of more money
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>>60116734
Price guide for watches
Shitter: Lunch money
Decent watch: A high-end gaming rig or two
Nice watch: A car, or several

£150 buys you a shitter!
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>>60116747
>>60116892

Go Russian if you want best bang per buck. I got this 3133 mechanical chronograph, steel case, in-house for 200€ which is like £150 I guess. Definitely not a shitter.
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>>60116595
>piece of plastic crap with shitty quartz caliber you dare to call "watch"
Still more accurate than <any> mechanical.

Stay mad
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>>60115842
Certina is yet another member of The Swatch Group. You can expect roughly Tissot/Hamilton/Mido levels of barely legally "Swiss Made" watches with 30 year old movement designs pumped up with advertising spending.
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>>60115725
It would help if you could at least clarify what type of watch you are looking for? LCD Digital? Analogue? Quartz? Automatic? Etc.
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>>60117112
Cheap quatz calibers are not actually more accurate than the best production mechanical movements, so long as they've been regulated.

And before you claim atomic clock accuracy, that is the atomic clock broadcasting the radio signal that is accurate, not the watch passively receiving the signal.
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>>60117178
Oh now its not a shitty quartz caliber, now its quartz calibers against best production regulated mechanical movements? So my Casio that gained 2 seconds since October can measure with some of the finest mechanical movements? Nice! And I wont mention the atomic clock argument if you dont mention the 'battery-has-to-be-changed-every-two-years-omggggg' argument.
>p.s. Casio master race
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>>60113294
Don't be put off by page and cucker, be put off by the CS stories behind damasko service.

Basically, if you ever have a QC or warranty issue, have fun. Typical rude germans; no CS training. To be expected of a small company, I mean, if the massive luxury goods conglomerates keep fucking up CS repeatedly (*coughcough JLC), a small, former engineering/industrial company with only just its foot in the door would be expected to fuck up too. Especially since they don't appear to have any adept and dedicated CS staff.

They really have to lift their game in that regard; smaller firms MUST as word travels too fast these days, and anyone thinking of plonking money down on one of these smaller, lesser known brands with virtually NO marketing (e.g., not in the cataglog/wristwatch annual 2017 etc.,) will look online before they buy and might have second thoughts. They have to try extra hard to smooth out any customer related problems.

Doesn't seem that Damasko does this, from what I have read. I have a fine enough specimen, so I don't have any worries. Besides, it's only a DA36.

As it stands, I don't trust them enough to want to plonk down for a DK10 or something else with that inhouse movement any time soon.

Also, their lume fucking stinks, and they refuse to upgrade from that shitty quality luminova c1 to the BGW9 good stuff: it's white, unlike c3's green, and is used by all the serious companies now who want pure white lume that's actually functional, unlike c1 budget dogshit.

They have been asked about this many times but refuse to upgrade; presumably the deal with their dialmaker/dial printer is for c1 lume only, to lower production costs. I would pay more for actually functional lume, especially for a watch from a company that has airs of being technically and functionally minded. It is to be expected.

That being said, the DA36 is a good knockabout daily watch with high visibility and isn't very costly.
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>>60117156
I'm not really looking for anything in particular. I am coming from a Microsoft Smart Band 2 yang kept breaking so they refunded me what i spent on it. I also don't really know much about watches in the first place so there is always that. I guess i am looking for a standard type watch. Any ideas?
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So F91W owner here. I've had some problems with the resin band and are considering switching out for a NATO or a Zulu. However, I have to ask, is there any actual benefit a 2-piece Zulu would provide over a 2-piece NATO? It seems like there's a more obvious fault point that is gonna be the problem no matter what.
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>>60117267
Your argument essentially amounts to saying that a 2006 Toyota Corolla is more reliable, more fuel efficient, and cheaper to run than a 1970's muscle car.

While true, this totally misses the point. People are not interested in mechanical watches for primarily utilitarian reasons, but rather because they find the history of them and the effort required to make them well fascinating.

And I was merely pointing out that your blanket assertion that quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical movements was incorrect, not trying to argue that the most accurate quartz movements aren't much more accurate than the most accurate mechanical movements. By the way, the same people who find mechanical watches interesting also tend to find high accuracy quartz watches interesting becauce they also require lots of effort to make well.
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>>60117283
Very interesting. Do you know how their customer care compares to Sinn?

I really want to like Damasko based on how engineering driven they are overall, and particularly based on the far better value they appear to offer than Sinn today, plus I really respect the massive engineering effort they had to put into develping their in-house silicon escapeement.
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>>60117348
If you are okay with LCD quartz, a Casio G-Shock 5610 is just about the best value that money can buy.
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>>60117377
Yeah I know /wt/ loves mechanicals and I can respect that, but what I cant respect is shit like >>60116595 and >>60108419. Its people that shit on other peoples taste just because they are in a majority on a mongolian cave scribbling forum that makes me stop lurking and start shitposting actual facts
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>>60117455
Well obvioulsy, but that dude was clearly gratuitously shitposting.

I only chimed in because I have two mechanical watches that run under the +/- 15 seconds a month typically quoted for inexpensive quartz movements (and that's not even mentioning that an f91 tier quartz will be closer to +/- 30s a month).
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>>60117355
If you have to ask about buying a new strap for a $10 watch, you shouldp start being a man and save up for something like the dw5600 or b640wb.
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>>60117422
Is there any type of watch that has more of a clean face i.e isn't lcd that's good for my price range? Not really feeling the look of the casio one.
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>>60117135
Makes sense.
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>>60117408
>Do you know how their customer care compares to Sinn?
Nothing immediately comes to mind, but it has been like 10 years since I looked at Sinn closely enough to want to buy them. No doubt you'll find someone out there bitching about them on some forum. My issues with Sinn are philosophical.

I will say that in the Sinn vs Damasko debate, Sinn at least has the aesthetic quarter down pat. Aesthetics cannot be denied, as no matter how much a technical marvel any given watch is, if it doesn't look nice, or as nice, then you won't want it on your wrist.

Sinn achieves the same military functional look Damasko has but does it with some character.
For example, I was very disappointed with their GMT model (with their inhouse calibre) and the one with the green accents especially is fucking
dogshit.
I looked very hard a long time ago at the Sinn 856GMT. It just looks right.

Additionally, Damasko's new diver truly looks like any of those generic chinese cased microbrand kickstarter shits that have truly littered the watchscape in the past decade. Awful.
They really need some better designers to do justice to their technical team.

On the other hand, great respect for Damasko for being a true manufacture, unlike Sinn who seems content to continue to suckle at the ETA teat for as long as it can. Also, tegiment and the black coating Sinn use are a fucking joke compared to Damasko's case hardening and black coating.

If I were to ever buy (another) black watch that wasn't ceramic or rubber, it would be a damasko. I know that it's not impossible to scratch, but it's closer to impossible than virtually every other brand out there peddling black IP PVD coated shits. If you get a PVD coated watch, better like little silver scratches. It is inevitable.

A watch with Damasko's tech and Sinn's designs would be the ULTIMATE german toolwatch. As it stands the only thing I truly like about Damasko design that sets it apart are the yellow seconds hands.
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>>60117619
>$40 for a watch with a resin strap
i feel like u did not read my post friend.
Also I'm planning on using this strap for as long as it functions- most Casios seem to take two part straps.
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>>60117798
Sinns look nice indeed, but are kinda overpriced for the movements they have.

Damasko is very nice from a technical "manufacture" pov, but they really do look like ass. Also good lume isn't exactly much to ask for, but it's still a potential deal breaker.

I'm seriously considering getting that titanium steinhart as a Sinn/Damasko substitute.
Although the odds of getting a lemon are probably greater with steinshit, the features on that watch are just phenomenal for the price, down to the top-grade ETA in there.
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Are there any analog watches with lume that are as small and as minimally designed as pic related?

Theoretically would go with a timex, but I have a Weekender I stopped wearing because of the TICK
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>>60117913
I've had cravings where I would go absolutely apeshit over this or that watch, convinced that I really wanted it or that when/if I got it, it would be the ultimate "one watch" for me and I wouldn't have to bother with this costly hobby for a long time.

I'd take a month, and the feeling would mellow and cool, and suddenly that watch didn't seem as enticing as it originally did and I could look at it with a more discerning eye than before.

In the end, I would say buy what you want. Have your eye set on something? Are you sure you want that watch? Don't rush it. These things aren't limited editon zomg fucking rare!!!(MINTY!!!) shits; they're mass produced little machines. Rush it if you know, you've got the poo change to blow on a slew of mid or lower mid tier watches.

IMO at least Sinn and Damasko feel like real companies; Steinhart will never shake the chinese rolex knockoff vibe as long as they keep making chinese rolex knock offs, in design at any rate.

Sinn and Damasko feel (and are) real watchmaking companies. Steinhart exudes marketing company that outsources all their shit and slaps their logo on the dial. Note: I don't know if that's the extent of their operation today, but when I looked at them years ago that feeling was enough to get me to pass them by totally.

Do they make anything themselves? Or is it just "yu wan fry rysh wit dat?" chinese oem caseblanks, oem hands, oem fucking everything and just cobbled together.

Don't care if it's good value for the price, it doesn't feel right, and since we're talking about mechanical timekeeping instruments post-quartz era at all (in the fucking smartphone era), then feeling plays a large part in any purchase of such.

Follow your nose.
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>>60113178
>>60113107
So is using silicon good or bad?
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>>60118310
>>60118344
>tfw wristlet
feels bad
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>>60118375
It is very good.
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>>60116108
Buy a full watch and then parts. Cost effective.
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>>60117551
Which two
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>>60118466
what are the advantages of making it out of silicon instead of brass or steel (assuming that they make them out of those)
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>>60118610
Silicon is antimagnetic, I can't speak as to its mechanical properties in balances however.
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>>60118683
I suppose being anti-magnetic is a very good property to have in a mechanical watch
I'll go over and ask /sci/ and see if they care
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>>60112363
>all my watches are in "If you can't afford anything from the top and can't bother saving up" tier
feels good man
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Just got my pocket watch back from servicing. Pretty happy to have it back running like a top.

1/2
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>>60118892
2/2
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Which lume kit should I buy to practice my luming skills with?
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>>60118892

That's dope. How wide is it?
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>>60118941
51mm x 12mm. Fits jeans watch pocket perfectly.
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>>60118229
This is an excellent post.

In my eyes, the other big problem with Steinhart is that they appear unwilling to hire some competent designers, and as a result the best looking Steinhart models by far are the straight design copies, while many of the design features of Steinhart's own designs are...highly questionable at best.
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>>60118537
1975 King Seiko 5256-8010 that runs ~+/- 0s/d. In two extended trials it went 14 days gaining 0.0s the first time and 18 days gaining 0.0s the second time. In the second instance it never exceeded +2 seconds or -2 seconds. Pic related.

The second is a 2006 Rolex Datejust 116223 which runs very close to -0s/d, split between running about -2s/d on the wrist and +2s/d dial up. So far since April 22 it's running -0.2s total, having not exceeded +2s or -2s at any point yet.
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>>60119041
nice
are you regulating them yourself?
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>>60119052
The King Seiko yes, as it's a regulated balance with a micro-adjuster and I have a timegrapher.

The Rolex has been adjusted a couple of times by my watchmaker since he serviced it when I've been there to see him for other watches. I am not quite willing to buy a microstella wrench and do those adjustments myself on the Rolex 3135's eccentric screws.
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>>60114079
someone kindly direct me to where i can purchase this watch.
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Would pic related be a good trade for a ceramic GMT master II?
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So which Amphibia case is best Amphibia case?
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>>60112519
>gold is cheaper than steel

n-nani
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>>60119120
The lange 1 lumen moon phase was a limited edition that is sold out. You may see some at auction rarely, probably in the 100k-150k range
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>>60119215
In fact there's on on chrono24 right now for 70k eur
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>>60119215
I appreciate your assistance. I need to go cry myself to sleep now because that is the best looking watch I've ever seen.
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>>60118941
Size comparison with a Seiko Alpinist.
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>>60119249
I had a chance to try one of these on in October - as with everything from Lange, it was indeed perfect.
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>>60119351
damn any pics you took?
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>>60119161
I was going to say hell no until I realized that was a gold fucking bar
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>>60119447
yeah this is what I offered someone today for his GMT. He hasn't replied yet but I wanted to see others opinions. The bar of gold brings the value equal to what hes asking for the GMT and he was willing to entertain a trade.
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>>60119459
Seems like a fair deal. But why small bars instead of bullion coins?
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>>60119429
I did not
The marketing pictures you can find online will be better anyways. Not that you should look and torture yourself further.
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>>60119164

420 by a long shot.
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Whats the least expensive >1bps quartz watch out there?
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>>60119516
Premium paid on coins for the minting. He declined my offer, wanted an additional $1500 canacuck bucks I unfortunately don't have at the moment
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Waited whole week and none of my watches arrived.
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>>60119519
I was 1500 off from getting a GMT master II in ceramic today, I think I've been through enough torture.
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What do you use for picking up sound from your watch when you want to check it out with that tg program? A couple of days ago someone posted his before and after readings of a watch after some cleaning and it looks like the sound quality sent to the PC was great. How do I achieve that?
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>>60119985
>>60096061
>PYLE-PRO PP444 Ultra Compact Phono Turntable Preamp
>Moozikpro Acoustic Guitar Pickup
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>>60120008
I also use this sometimes; some watches do better with the smaller mic, some do better with the bigger mic.
>Greenten Acoustic Classical Guitar/Violin/ Black Clip On Pickup with 1/4 Jack 2.5M Cable Cherub (Black)
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>>60120026
and for completeness, I use a USB sound card (just because I have a usb port in a more convenient place than my builtin sound ports), though I doubt it matters
>SYBA external USB Stereo Sound Adapter for Windows, Mac, Linux Extra Audio Source with Microphone SD-CM-UAUD
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>>60120008
Oh. Sorry to bother you, that thread died before I could check it out the next time after asking. I didn't see the post and I wasn't optimistic enough to check out the archive.

Well shoot, I'm trying to make a preamp of my own because I can only guess how much that real preamp costs.
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>>60120054
well you could google it. It costs about $15
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>>60120089
It looked much more expensive so I didn't want to bother. Thank you again.
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moar watches
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>>60120230
love the perlon in that light
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>>60120210

wtf is this thing, and why slow down the footage?
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>>60120247
This is a Seiko 5S21, a quartz watch from the early 90s. It has a small vial of liquid inside the watch that is used to damp the stepper motor, resulting in a truly smooth sweep second hand (unlike, say, pic related, which has a jerky 360 ticks per second, rather than a smooth sweep)
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these are some good pics
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tfw come to /wt/ to unwind after having to deal with innocent looking sweet young patients who attempt suicide by taking drug overdoses or who look for attention through cutting themselves can get depressing at times. I try to be distant but at the end of the day I'm just human.
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>>60120454
The most impressive collection I've ever seen in /wt/
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>>60120454

It just needs an HMT Janata to complete the collection.
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>>60120840
>>60121033
>>60121073

Pure scifi
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Are $10 sapphire watch crystals real?
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>usps redelivery slip
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Are there any cyberpunk non Casio or Seiko watches?
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>>60121326
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>>60121461
>>60121326
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Old soviet Vostok from ebay or new from meranom? One on ebay's $15 with shipping (from Ukraine) but needs a band, I like the design more than the new one as well but the description is pretty bare bones.

>condition matches photo. watch is working

Should I trust this?
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>>60121326

Quite a few on aliexpress
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>>60121605
Go for the actual vintage. Obviously it's silly to compare quality to a seiko 5 but fuck you I'm going to do it anyways. If you want a functional mechanical watch at $50 buy a seiko 5. Otherwise buy something cool and vintage
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>>60121605
Generally if it's working now it will continue to work.
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What are the best automatic movements for watches $250 and lower?
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>>60122162
Orient 48743
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>>60121236
>HMT Janata
Honest question. Why?
The Hanata doesn't strike me as anything really good or extraordinary.
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Monthly reminder
>>>/fa/
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>>60122162

SARB033. The 6R15 caliber is just amazing value for money. It's JDM only, but you can get it on a Massdrop sometimes for $270.
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How scratchproof can $250ish watches can be? Also not sure whether I would be too scared to wear a $1000 watch for the fear of scratching them
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>>60122342
Depends on what it's made out of. If it has a sapphire crystal that'll help.
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>>60121964
I had a Seiko 5 up until a couple months ago when I lost it somewhere. Not interested in spending much replacing it, so it's either cheap as fuck mechanical or something Timex.
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what's the average price point of a Presage chronograph?
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I can tell you this.

This little timex has netted me more compliments from gorgeous women, and started more conversations -- than any of my multi-thousand dollar pieces.

god knows why. but I get more ass with this SHITTER watch than I do with my MB CLS Coupe.
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>>60120454
Is that a swatch element 21 in the far upper right?!
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>>60118927
The stuff Ranfft.de sells is Nemoto Luminova, the original Jap stuff Superluminova is based on.

I have some, it's pretty strong.
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Whilst I'm waiting for the burgundy lizard strap I ordered to arrive in have put the Sekonda on this croc strap I had lying around.
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>>60123744
this looks fantastic, 36mm?
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>>60123774
35mm. It is great, 23 jewels handwinding Poljot movement, 20 micron gold plating, domed acrylic crystal, thin as fuck.

Best part was the price £13.28.
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>>60123888
where'd you find that deal??
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>>60123958
I got it on eBay, I couldn't believe it. The Poljot branded versions go for around £100 sometimes.
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I wonder if there ever was some cheap low/midrange movement (maybe Jap, Soviet or German) that somehow accidentally met all the Geneva Seal requirements. Well apart from the geographical requirements that is.

Pic absolutely unrelated.
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>>60119161
Are you so displeased with your ousterer perpeshoptual?

The gmt cerramram's an obese whore. Truly a well travelled grill.
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>>60112516
Gold don't rust, also, some true manufactures were not capable of working steel; for a small factory, gold was something they might have been more familiar with and something easier to work with.

Odd though, as it was already the 70s.

Is it only FP Journe that makes gold movements today? Apart from Daniels, of course.
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>>60119566
Care to explain why?
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>>60125020
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>>60121260
Doubt it. It's like $50 just to buy a sapphire crystal on its own
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>>60124368
What's the Geneva Seal requirements?
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>>60125278
>>60125278
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>>60118610
>what are the advantages of making it out of silicon instead of brass or steel
- far greater precision and accuracy
-- means you get what you design
-- and you get that every time
-- and you do not need individual adjustments
- very thin
-- makes for compact design
-- or allows for greater complexity within the same volume
-- thinness means less air resistance
--- translates to less energy use, can use higher gearing
---- allows for longer time reserves
- very light weight both due to smaller sizes as well as the material being lighter than most metals
-- allows for higher beat rates
- very hard, harder than metals
-- less wear
-- less or even no need for lubrication
--- less maintainence
- allows for transparent materials (Si02, Al2O3 optionally doped with Cr or Ti for colouring)
-- makes for interesting skeleton designs.
- allows for integrated production of several wheels on a single axis.
- greater complexities at lower cost
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>>60124636
Not at all. I love this watch. I just want a Rolex professional model now. Little upgrade in the works. I don't think I can live without cerachrom in my life.
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>>60118683
>Silicon is antimagnetic
Correct.

>>60118736
>I suppose being anti-magnetic is a very good property to have in a mechanical watch
A magnetic field in a rotating disk induced eddy currents that in turn creates a braking force, thus braking force will be a function of orientation of watch with respect to the magnetic field.

I am not sure how strong the effect is but it will be more noticeable in vary fast moving wheels and less noticeable in a tourbillon.

>I'll go over and ask /sci/ and see if they care
t. Physicist who once worked in clean rooms with related tech.
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>>60118900
>Swiss made
>Delaware Watches co

How?
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I got a $5 watch from aliexpress. Works great. Why are you all wasting so much money on watches?
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>>60112987
>blue screws
Why do companies do this? I just was my screws polished. Blue screws looks tacky as fuck.
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The marinemaster would be sweet if it didn't have that bezel and body straight out of a cartoon.
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>>60107290
it's a shit movement nobody likes. the only reason it's used is the lack of choice.
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>>60108285
movado has always been garbage
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>>60125754
Bluing was the way to temper screws back in the day to harden them.
Also for rust proofing.
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>>60112516
isn't piaget the brand that swore off using steel for their cases? it would make sense for them to use a material they're familiar with and already use great quantitied of.
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>nice squale bro
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>>60115263
>the movement is the only thing you should pay for when buying a watch
STOP THAT BAD MEME NOW
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>>60118892
cool minute track
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>>60119164
710
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>>60120273
>a jerky 360 ticks per second
>360 ticks per second
>jerky
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