Ok guys im not done arguing about this. Get in here

Look all I want is cheap fast internet that can't be fucked by either the government or companies.

Like what parts of europe has. I've yet to see a downside to their system.

>>60103178
> i have no rebuttal so heres a funny picture

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>huurrr I'm worried about ISPs arbitrarily throttling and blocking access to site

>>60103226

why do people think that net neutrality means that the big bad gubmint will somehow control more of the internet?

>>60103249
because they're retarded and they listened to some retard on the news say it who didn't know anything about it himself

>>60103240
I hope this site is the first to go
>>60103249
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
But honestly its places like streaming sites and pirate bay that people are worried about. If you pay for your content you have nothing to worry about. Shady sites will be removed

>>60103187
Kind reminder that the EU Net Neutrality laws are a joke and allow ISPs to bypass Net Neutrality.

>>60103281

NN does not give the government control of the internet, it just stops ISPs from fucking people over.

>>60103240
except its not arbitrary. Comcast hates netflix so they charge netflix more then introduced their own streaming service that doesn't go against their customers data plan

thats completely anti-consumer and anti-freemarket

>>60103310
Lol, Comcast has Netflix offered directly on their boxes now. You're retarded

>>60103281
I buy most of my music, but I buy it from Bandcamp instead of iTunes. Losing net neutrality would make it harder for me to get high quality, DRM free music.

>>60103328
and it still goes against the customer data plan which are also completely arbitrary. They want customers to use their garbage Xfinity streaming shit

https://www.theverge.com/smart-home/2015/11/7/9687976/comcast-data-caps-are-not-about-fixing-network-congestion

daily reminder that comcast makes up data caps not because of an engineering limitation but because they wanna charge you more money

>>60103328
Netflix has gotten big enough that they can afford to pay to play. It's the startups and competitors we should be worrying about.

>>60103354
Nope, you're reading fake news

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>>60103349
because the ISP will obviously throttle them, right?

>>60103240
>people who forget that telcos have blocked entire protocols (Comcast, bittorrent, 2007) and political / protest websites (Telus: employee / union protest info site).

>>60103377
>its fake news to point out the fact that xfinity doesn't go against the data cap but netflix does

>>60103376
>A start-up is going to choke an ISP

Are you being serious?

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>>60103389

>>60103392
I think he meant that you should worry about non big ass companies getting in trouble because not being able to pay isps to have their shit not throttled, not the other way around.

>>60103391
Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant due to your poor knowledge of English.

Yes honey, you still have a data cap. What does that have to do with NN?

>>60103379
>That's fucking illegal
No shit, retard. Its about to be legal thanks to Trump's pajeet friend

>>60103407
Netflix got throttled because they were choking the network

But everybody on reddit told me that net neutrality is literally internet socialism!

wtf i hate reddit now?!

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>>60103418
wrong. Do you have any idea what the FTC does? I suggest you look it up

>>60103417
Idk pajeet, i understood him perfectly. You dont have to try so hard, the 10 rupees have already been deposited to your account.

>>60103433
"choking the network"

I don't believe that at all, Comcast made up datacaps to charge people more money they probably refuse to upgrade the speeds of people because they don't wanna blow money when they can just charge people more money for garbage service. Literally a sitback and collect

>>60103448
Should we petition the FTC to implement net neutrality then?

>>60103463
that would make more sense than what's happening right now at least

>>60103459
What do data caps have to do with NN, sweetie pie?

>>60103459
They already got up in front of congress and lied a few years ago saying the "internet was like water and needed to be rationed"

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>>60103187
>PROVE ME WRONG: The Thread

OP is a faggot with no basis for his argument for corporate control and manipulation of the internet other than "muh free market, gubment gonna oppress me."

1. Abolishing net neutrality and attempting to eliminate government interference is non-existent. Government will always be the highest bidder, be the private sector's biggest client, and you are putting complete faith into a private company to not cave into their demands or their money.

2. Your data will now be a marketable asset and are subject to Terms of Service agreements, which can be changed to share your data internally between business partners. There are now laws to protect you after Net Neutrality is abolished. Considering the sad state of information security in the private sector, you're still putting your data in the hands of someone unknown, but someone the "company" trusts. You do not have control of your data. It was like this during and will always be like this even if net neutrality is abolished.

3. ISPs will constant tell you that they have to throttle and cap networks to reduce bandwidth usage. This is a true statement in some regard only to the following.

A. Copper infrastructure has not been upgraded or modernized. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/maps-of-american-infrastrucure/)
B. Not all regions are upgrading to fiber infrastructure due to cost, but that cost is slowly merging with the cost of fiber, making it more competitive to copper ISPs.
C. A lot of ISPs refuse to update their datacenters with more modern equipment as their products reach end of life, causing outages and the need to throttle on that end to extend the life of the equipment.

In conclusion, data only has to be throttled because the ISPs don't want to spend the money on modernizing their infrastructure. Comcast makes billions of dollars a year, and they don't even purchase new switches, routers and load balancers for their busiest datacenters/nodes.

Contd

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>>60103459
you would be wrong. this is a couple years old and video services has only gone up

>>60103496
>OP is a faggot with no basis for his argument
What? Their isnt any argument in the OP you fucking retard

>>60103511
This isn't any evidence of their network being choked this is just % application as a total usage. Not total vs their network capacity

>>60103451
>NN shills are racist against Indians

It all makes sense now

There is literally nothing wrong with Net Neutrality

>>60103308
I mean first step is to take the power from the consumers. After that, from the providers.

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>>60103530
yeah you think they should get a free pass, we get it

News articles, like the last one on Reuters, always quote the telecom companies arguing that it makes it" harder to manage internet traffic and discouraged investment in improving access."

What does the "stifles innovation" argument actually entail? Are they really just going to stop building new networks? Wouldn't treating all traffic equally mean that they need to improve to handle all the new streaming shit? Or do they just want to be able to sell cable packages and control everything?

I bet none of you can name me two countries that implemented NN well.

>>60103567
again, not as a comparison to their total network capacity

>>60103292
In reality no, in theory partly yes. But only because the largest ISP (60% owned by German government) pretty much wrote the law. But they're still threatened to reverse their zero rating bullshit for Spotify or risk getting fined for breaking net neutrality law.
In the end, net neutrality laws here are somewhat retarded, mostly ineffective, and aren't going to change things for the better (obviously, it's EU after all).

>>60103560

How does NN take power from the consumers?

>>60103534
You too Dimitri

>>60103571
>What does the "stifles innovation" argument actually entail? Are they really just going to stop building new networks?

no, it means T-Mobile can't offer free music streaming and AT&T can't offer free DirecTV on their mobile network because MUH NET NEUTRALITY can't even allow good stuff to happen

>>60103579
oh, so long as they're not choking down the entire network it's fine. ISPs and their customers should subsidize Netflix and Youtube. got it

>>60103580
Over here (The Netherlands) T-Mobile was able to bypass the zero rating part of the EU laws because the shitty EU NN goes over the vastly superiour Dutch NN laws.

>>60103610
>oh, so long as they're not choking down the entire network it's fine. ISPs and their customers should subsidize Netflix and Youtube. got it
Where the fuck do you get this shit?

You post two charts, neither of which show any evidence of the services bottlenecking by the network and now you're putting words in my mouth

>>60103610
Maybe comcast should take some of those billions they made last year and invest in internet thats actually fast enough to handle the demand they refuse to answer because they'd rather sit back and collect money on their garbage service

>>60103534
>Tech companies import Indians to fill entry level programming jobs
>Tech companies exploit Indians by paying them far lower salaries than their American contemporaries
>Government has to ban permanant work visas for programmers because pay for moderate skill programming jobs reaches an all time low
>Actually talented Indians can't come in because companies took advantage of them
The sentiment doesn't necessarily come from hate, anon.

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>>60103520
This is the 2nd continuation thread he's made. His arguments have been nothing but calling people freeloaders and shilling his support for free market/non-goobment intervention.

>>60103496
5. The blocking of websites or having to purchase "packages" or "plans" for access to a pre-determined set of sites or a package for anything outside of that scope is entirely possible. It's been done with television and only now would they have the ability to do this legally without having to face the repercussions of constitutional violations. This means you will only be able to access sites, media and information based on what the company will allow in each package.

In conclusion, removing Net Neutrality does not even fix the problems that it was supposed to "solve."

>>60103627
He did this in the last thread too. Autism at its finest.

>>60103610
I think you mean unlimited streaming. As in not counting data used on their services as apart of your data cap. Am I right?

>>60103657
The data caps are completely made up to charge more money so I wouldn't be surprised about how much they're lying about other crap

>>60103657
yes, and that's a good thing because I don't use enough data otherwise to warrant a full unlimited plan

>>60103680
You realize you have to pay comcast 60 dollars to remove their 1tb cap right? And at that their datacaps are completely made up?

>>60103680
If you don't pay for cable but watch a similar amount of TV as the average American you will fill up a 1tb data cap in no time with HD streaming.

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>>60103695
it's 1TB where I live. I stream video constantly and torrent all the time. Have yet to pass 300GB in a month, so I don't give a fuuuuuucccckkkkkkkk

>>60103716
I use an OTA antenna and torrent most of my HD content

>>60103675
The only point I see for data caps is as a way of midigating the poor cellular data infastructre. If they didn't have data caps and everyone was streaming and stuff 24/7 reliability would be shit. Now it's not an excuse for the shit infastructre, but I see why they do it.

>>60103695
I see the appeal of the services they offered, but being able to stream "muh NFL" or "muh GOT" while your in the bus is not a good enough reason for the removal of all consumer protection on the net.

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I'm glad I live in Europe.

Why is America such a shitty country?

>>60103744
>for the removal of all consumer protection on the net
that's not happening moron. they will fall under the jurisdiction of the FTC, same with all the other internet companies

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>>60103496
Why the fuck does Terry look like wewlad

>>60103747
Same reason why half of Europe is a shithole.People are dumb.

t. German

>>60103744
>If they didn't have data caps and everyone was streaming and stuff 24/7 reliability would be shit.
see
>>60103374
the datacaps are 100% made up, they do nothing and they're only there to charge you more money

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>>60103747
>I'm glad I live in Europe.

>>60103785
>the people who always complain about blacks are complaining about muslims.

o i am laffin

>>60103776
Thought that was about home services. My B

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>>60103800
(you)

>>60103747
EU NN is also a joke. It's fucking made by ISPs.

>>60103800
America is pretty segregated. If you dont like blacks you just move to a nicer neighborhood. If you cant afford that you move to the south

>>60103809
Yea its a huge ruse they've been doing for 20+ years where they don't really do anything to ugprade their shit. Charge everyone out the ass for garbage service, then whine when netflix actually uses the network they've been cheesing and cry about how they have to ration the internet to save their billions of profits

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>>60103816
>moving to the south to avoid blacks

>>60103824
I think he means that you can be outwardly racist there

>>60103811
>>60103816

yet you always complain about muslim no go zones and muslim ghettos

really makes you think.

(I'm american btw)

>>60103812
A least, I have a reliable and fast internet for cheap, without data caps and without throttle at all.

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>>60103836
racism doesn't exist anymore. when everyone is racist, nobody is

>>60103766
If it falls under the FTC then there will be some major privacy concerns from what I understand. Abusive business practices such as throttling other sites would be regulated. But your privacy as a consumer would be diminished. (That's what I understand, enlighten me if you must)

>>60103846
That still doesn't change the fact that ISPs can sell zero rated stuff in their subscriptions(mobile network etc). Which is one of the things that EU NN should have blocked.

>>60103855
>>60103846
>>60103839
>>60103836
>>60103824
>>60103816
>>60103811
>>60103800
>>60103785
Y'all are worse than goldfish on crack.

>>60103867
why don't you show some evidence to support your claims of privacy violations under FTC jurisdiction and we'll go from there

>>60103612
Yeah, sorry man. Here in Germany no one even thought about prioritizing or throttling packets in any way. The net was litereally perfectly neutral because no one batted an eye - until that Korsakow Syndrome-ridden shitstain Oettinger took matters into his hands and, without understanding any of his actions, proudly declared "the end of net neutrality" on Twitter.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rNg_FVaPek

this shit freaked me out years ago, but since the video was made nothing it concerns has happened

The solution to net neutrality is simple:

ENFORCE ADVERTISING AND CONTRACT LAW

If an ISP advertises 50mbps, then they have to deliver substantially that on their part REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE TRANSMITTING.

If the server on the other side is slow, fine. But if the ISP throttles it based on content, lawsuit.

Now, if they deliver substantially 50mbps for WhateverFuckedUpSite.com but deliver 100mbps for NetflixPaidUsShekels.com, THAT'S FAIR. As long as they're not throttling A for B you're technically getting service above what you contracted for.

>but muh fine print sez they can throttle!

Make that illegal since most ISP's enjoy a near monopoly geographically. You don't need a book of FCC regulations or 9,001 new FedGov employees. Just a single simple fucking law.

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>In 2011, Free, a french ISP, had an option (enabled by default) to block ads at the DNS level
>They got a lots of criticisms, and had to remove this option in the name of the net neutrality
>Because blocking ads is technically "blocking access to some sites to the customers" by default, and it's against the first principe of NN
Thanks, money people

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>>60103962
I'm paying for 50Mbps, wat do

>>60103996
Complain because you have only 5.97Mbps

>>60103962
ISPs advertise 'Up to xMbps'. We would have to force them to also provide a rate for minimal speed, but that can differ based on the host you're downloading from. It's not as easy as you claim it to be. If it was that simple, it would have been done when the government was first deciding how to legislate usage of the internet.

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>>60103996
was also streaming music when I just did that

>>60104015
why would I need more upload speed than that? works just fine for everything I do

>>60103996
Give that VDSL2 profile back, Jamal!

>>60104031
Because you're on /g/, so you should be a nerd with you own server with cloud, seedbox and shit, instead of a consumerist sheep
...don't you?

>>60104054
Why would you need upload when you never leave the house? I already have 10 gigabit switches to watch my Filipino cartoons

>>60104054
do you know how a seedbox works? it wouldn't count against local upload at all. admittedly, I don't seed and just hit and run public trackers like a dirt bag

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>>60104031
Also, I think it's fair to have the same speed in the both way

>>60103898
Had something nice written up, but the tab cleared.. so here's the dirty version
https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc
FTC wants to :
>Working to protect consumers by preventing anticompetitive, deceptive, and unfair business practices, enhancing informed consumer choice and public understanding of the competitive process, and accomplishing this without unduly burdening legitimate business activity

Consumer privacy doesn't seem like much of a deal to them, especially if it enhances your experience e.g. better ads. etc.

https://www.fcc.gov/about-fcc/what-we-do
FCC seems much more focused on the information side of things and has a history of protecting the privacy of consumers.

Some have also argued that the FTC isn't equiped to handle NN and their regulations don't account for the broad nature of potential harmful business practices possible by ISPs.

https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/456918/#ampshare=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/forget-the-fcc-should-the-ftc-enforce-net-neutrality/456918/

Also I thought this was an argument about the benefits of NN and not about which governing body should handle it.

Net Neutrality simply enforces the OSI model.

ISPs are layer 3 and they should not extend their reach beyond routing IP packets

>>60104144
I have never thought of this but damn, you are right

>>60103240
>>huurrr I'm worried about ISPs arbitrarily throttling and blocking access to site
fucking /g/ already forgot about comcast and verizon doing exactly that.
this is why murrika fucking sucks.

>>60104144
..... Same reaction as
>>60104165

>>60103226
Why do you think europe has god-tier internet?

>>60104091
if that's what you're paying for, then absolutely. I'm only paying for 5 up

>>60104126
certain aspects of NN can only be enforced under Title II and the FCC, so it's very relevant

>>60104195
Decent distribution of Gigabit, minimal spying (by American standards), no port blocking

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>>60104243
Only in these circlejerk threads do I ever see Europeans claim to have god-tier internet, with no problems whatsoever. It just doesn't reflect reality.

>>60104243
Bagettefag here
Except for the port 25, to prevent spam propagation from the 2000s viruses

>>60104267
>1547x106
fucking hell
you stupid niggers need to learn how to screencap.

>>60104286
It's for my benefit, not yours

ISPs that throttle their users will only create demand for an ISP that doesn't :^)

>>60104267
In western Europe, it's a bit more expensive (1Gbps for 40€) but its really unlimited.

I don't know how reliable are internet connection in America, but here I got 2 days of internet blackout since January 2016.

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>>60104334
I'm sure that might be true, but it's also true I have a folder full of eurocucks bitching about the internet. These /g/ threads are the only place where service becomes spectacular, with absolutely no drawbacks.

>>60104368
Everyone on the planet complains about their internet connection sometimes, but when you compare internet in the majority of the developed world to the US, the rest of the world is generally better. Funny, you can apply most things to that when you're talking about the US.

>>60104368
>I have a folder full of eurocucks bitching about the internet.
what posses someone to do this?
I've seen people on here with hundreds of pics of train crashes, mac fail screenshots, RRoD, broken phone screens, and all kinds of other shit just in case there's a thread about it.
don't you people have better shit to do?

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>>60104393
Faggots denying reality

>>60104389
What criteria, specifically, are you referring to?

>>60104416
...wat

>>60104368
Do you have screenshots about bad French internet?
Here, most of the case of poor connexions are about old ass cooper line that are going to be replaced anyway

>>60104416
>internet literally 10 times the speed of xfinity
>about $40 a month
fuuuuuuuuuuuuk

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>>60104334
>I don't know how reliable are internet connection in America
no complaints. this isn't really indicative of a network issue, more I'm just impatient and restart the entire modem/router combo every now and then just cause. although I did have to switch over from the DSL provider because it just dropped to shit completely, but that was a few years ago

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>>60104440
Germany isn't much better

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>>60104389
Still can't come up with anything substantial, and not just "muh feels?"

>>60104573
What are you trying to accomplish, exactly?

>>60104573
ok that one is impossible to read

>>60104583
He's trying to convince himself that American internet is better that European's

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>>60104583
America just has a really bad perception problem on this issue sometimes.
>>60104597
I don't care about the toon
>>60104608
In many cases, it is

>>60104632
>America just has a really bad perception problem on this issue sometimes.
if you mean murrika sucks, then I agree.

>>60104662
Pissy I came in and shit up this circlejerk?

>>60103249
Because any time the government touches anything they fuck it up and make it cost more. College, you could pay for college in the 80's with a summer job. Government starts to guarantee loans, what happens? Colleges realize they can charge anything and the government will pay up front. College costs up 500% or more. Health care is the same. Anytime the government gets involved it will regulate the shit out of it based of lobbyists needs and paybacks.

>>60104669
more than you're shoehorning some off topic clapistan bullshit in to a thread about something that actually matters.

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>>60104680
I have plenty of socialized medicine caps also
>>60104698
Keep them (you)'s coming, friend

>>60104680
>gubment sucks
>because of lobbyists
yeah. it's the government's fault that the super rich buy influence.

>>60103610
>no, it means T-Mobile can't offer free music streaming and AT&T can't offer free DirecTV on their mobile network because MUH NET NEUTRALITY can't even allow good stuff to happen
They shouldn't offer that. It gives an unfair advantage to the service they're offering. You know what's a way better? Competing by lowering prices or increasing bandwidth. It's all the same to them anyway, DirecTV and the rest of the internet are both just bits of data, so why make specific services free and the other not?

> ISPs and their customers should subsidize Netflix and Youtube. got it
What the fuck are you talking about? The customer already pays the ISP to connect them to Netflix and Youtube.

>>60104720
>I have plenty of socialized medicine caps also
You're entire argument here seems to be that europe sucks, too, so murrika doesn't suck.

>>60104632
>In many cases, it is
How much do you pay?
What speed to you have?
Is your connection reliable?
Do you have any throttle or data cap?
When you move in a new place, how long do you have to wait to get your Internet line?
Is the router included in your plan?
Is VoIP phone and TV included in your plan?

>>60104731
Here we can witness the commie trying to drag society down to the lowest level. Notice how he also supports megacorporations that use 35% of the internet's entire bandwith.

>>60104731
>It gives an unfair advantage to the service they're offering.
wrong. customers can petition to get any music service they want added. T-Mobile already has the lowest prices out of the big 4, my bandwidth is fine, I just don't use enough data otherwise to pay for a full unlimited plan. fuck off and stop trying to take away muh free music streaming. you can't just make everyone unlimited and cheap because that's what you want

>>60104801
You seem to be the one supporting the ISP megacorporations.
>>60104807
>customers can petition to get any music service they want added
And you really think T-Mobile will just add them all? Tell me, why do you think they make some services free and others not even though they are all just 1s and 0s?

>>60104786
Me, personally? I live in a southern state in a very rural area. The population of the county is about 15k, 90% white. I am lucky to have internet at all this far out. $45 for 60/5 no caps. Never had any type of service issues, unless you count the time some redneck CUT THE CABLE LINE(it runs under a bridge, apparently) in the 4th quarter of the superbowl a few years back.

>>60104855
find me a streaming music service that isn't covered by T-Mobile's free streaming plan. I'll wait

>>60104173
>unironically saying murrika
kys

>>60104873
You shouldn't be allowed to have free services provided to you by a company.

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>>60104901
We all read it the first time
sage

>>60103240
They're going to charge companies and users more.

Order NETFLIX thru your comcast broadcast!!! Only 50 dollars a month!!!

This shit is how TV went from being a free service w/ adds to 100 dollars a month.

Don't repeat history, idiots.

>>60104873
Last.fm and musixhub.
But the point was that music and the rest of the internet are the same thing, so they are giving an unfair advantage to music services.

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>>60104888
>i want to completely kneecap competing businesses under the guise of freedom
seriously kys, this is how T-Mobile is able to remain competitive. net neutrality is literally a race to the bottom, just like all the other commie bullshit. thankfully it will never happen because you faggots are completely irrelevant now. stop trying to ruin a good thing because you're scared of muh tiered service and throttling boogeyman

>>60104922
It's only going to get cheaper for consumers from now on

>>60104023
>ISPs advertise 'Up to xMbps'. We would have to force them to also provide a rate for minimal speed,
No, we need to hold them to their claims. If they are lying then they will quickly advertising their "minimal speed."

>but that can differ based on the host you're downloading from.
Obviously. But they can't further throttle the data, and that's fairly easy to prove.

>If it was that simple, it would have been done when the government was first deciding how to legislate usage of the internet.
>simple
>government
Choose one and only one.

There are simple solutions for:
>healthcare
>net neutrality
>the budget
>the failing public school system
>crime
>terrorism
>etc
>etc
>etc

Government doesn't want simple solutions. They want solutions that will appeal to the masses on election day, then let them accumulate power and wealth while doing jack shit for 2/4/6/8 years.

>>60104943
They said the same thing about TV.

>>60104930
so don't use them

>>60105001
Well now they are saying we have to pay extra to access certain sites.

>>60105015
what the fuck are you talking about

Give it up libtard shills the over reaching regulations are being repealed and no amount of whining is stopping it

>>60105015
"oh jeeze guys those consumer rights are actually a bad thing guys!!!"
"oh jeeze we need DMCA guys, our business will flop if we can't sue internet users!!!"
"oh jeeze guys you keep that horrible net neutrality in, you're going to have to pay extra!!!"

Don't give your power away.

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>>60103486
If something counts towards caps and something doesn't, that's anti-net neutrality

The definition is all packets must be treated equally regardless of source and destination. This applies to certain packets getting prioritized over others as well as certain packets not counting against your cap.

>>60105007
"don't use them"?
Is that why you want to get rid of net neutrality? Because it forces people to have less choice?

>>60105074
there are a bunch of other mobile providers I could switch to, no problem. if you wanna do something about landline connection go after the lack of competition and not more government oversight, then maybe you'll get some support outside of mother's basement

>>60105074
>>60105007
>"don't use them"?
Is that why you like net neutrality? Because it forces people to have less choice?

No one knows, or has experienced, what NN actually is.

>>60105088
...so I should quit using a free service provided to me because of some quixotic ideology?

>>60105088
>>60105155
yes, if you guys care so much I sure hope you're standing up for NN and telling any service provider that you're not interested in any special perks. you want every 0 and 1 to be treated equally. it's the moral thing to do, for equality

>>60105155
No, they should expand their free service to cover the rest of the internet.
Net neutrality doesn't mean you have to stop using stuff.

>>60105155
This has nothing to do with your decisions, the ISP would simply not be allowed to offer services that don't affect the cap if their competitors' do

That said caps are retarded and only 3rd world countries have them

>>60105203
>>60105217
I really hope you're not being overly privileged and taking advantage of any perks any service provider may be giving you right now. that would be a highly immoral position to hold in this important issue

>>60105248
I don't even know what "perks" you're talking about, where I live the ISP is nothing more than an unlimited data pipe. Does an email account count as a perk?

>>60105203
>free internet for everyone!!! xd
>>60105217
Your taking my ability away to decide who gives me the best deal. And part of that deal might include free streaming to certain sites. It's essentially nationalizing a section of the economy. Each and every ISP would be exactly the same, same speed, pricing, etc. The ability to give discounts, incentive pricing, service tiers, whatever, should rest in the hands of the owner. Deceptive and illegal practices, among other things, should be regulated and enforced.

>>60105275
who is your mobile provider? and yes, provider email counts. your ISP offering you an email address with your account is unfair to any competing services, obviously.

>>60105275
I get a free anti virus thingie. I think it's botnet tho

>>60105300
>free music for everyone!! xd

Can someone explain to me what NN is and what not having NN will do? Im still a little confused reading this thread.

>>60105300
The ISP can still give you a free service if they want, but the packets must be treated equally

>>60105301
wew lad, gmail sure is struggling with all these ISP email accounts. Mobile provider is a completely different company.

>>60105319
I like music, that sounds like a good deal to me. I'll try your service

protip: the shills go hard on net neutrality because it was going to be used along side Google and FB censorship to stop free speech on the net under the guise of stopping online bullying and hate speech

>>60105339
Free internet sounds like a great deal to me too. I'd use that service.

>>60105353
find someone that offers it and stop trying to get the government to enforce it then

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>>60105353
Internet rights are human rights.

>>60105367
faceberg and jewgle are the only ones I know agitating over free internet. Companies exempt under current (((NN regulation))) Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

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All the anti-net neutrality shills seem to be confused by the concept. It's all about making sure packets are equally treated - nothing more. If your isp gives you something for free, as long as it's not prioritized or doesn't count toward cap, it's perfectly fine as far as NN is concerned.

You could argue that it's a conflict of interest, anti-trust, etc but that's a completely separate issue. Only packets matter for NN and not the price of the service.

>>60105472
>If your isp gives you something for free, as long as it's not prioritized or doesn't count toward cap, it's perfectly fine as far as NN is concerned.
wrong faggot. strict NN enforcement does away with all these perks. nobody is throttling and anti-competitive behavior is already illegal and regulated. get fucked

>>60105472
>ALL PACKETS MATTER

doesn't matter anymore you can cry all day on here thread after thread you shill but the rules that were only enacted for a year or so are going away. You failed your netflix shareblue or w/e company you shill for. Sorry you couldn't get the bonus

>>60105472
This issue should be decided in the legislative arena, by elected officials that can be held accountable. These regulations never went far enough in protecting consumers. More broad and effective measures should be put into LAW by the appropriate and constitutional process that guides our country. Regulations put into place for political reasons by career bureaucrats should have no place in our society.

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>>60103649
>actually talented indians
spook

>>60103822
yet fucking idiots in this thread don't agree with nn

>>60103567
then maybe those big fat sacks of shit should modernize the fucking infrastructure stupid nigger-loving pricks

why the fuck do we pay these people again?
fucking hell 10gb/s symmetrical internet should be a basic inalienable utility

There’s one company now you can sign up and you can get a movie delivered to your house daily by delivery service. Okay. And currently it comes to your house, it gets put in the mail box when you get home and you change your order but you pay for that, right.

But this service is now going to go through the internet* and what you do is you just go to a place on the internet and you order your movie and guess what you can order ten of them delivered to you and the delivery charge is free.

Ten of them streaming across that internet and what happens to your own personal internet?

I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o’clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?

Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.

So you want to talk about the consumer? Let’s talk about you and me. We use this internet to communicate and we aren’t using it for commercial purposes.

We aren’t earning anything by going on that internet. Now I’m not saying you have to or you want to discrimnate against those people [o]

The regulatory approach is wrong. Your approach is regulatory in the sense that it says "No one can charge anyone for massively invading this world of the internet". No, I’m not finished. I want people to understand my position, I’m not going to take a lot of time. [o]

They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a truck.

It’s a series of tubes.

And if you don’t understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?

Do you know why?

Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can’t afford getting delayed by other people.

Now I think these people are arguing whether they should be able to dump all that stuff on the internet ought to consider if they should develop a system themselves.

Maybe there is a place for a commercial net but it’s not using what consumers use every day.

It’s not using the messaging service that is essential to small businesses, to our operation of families.

The whole concept is that we should not go into this until someone shows that there is something that has been done that really is a viloation of net neutraility that hits you and me.

>>60104144
this

>>60106033
nobody is forcing you to give them any money you retard

>>60106173
what's the alternative?
no internet access?
What part of
>fucking hell 10gb/s symmetrical internet should be a basic inalienable utility
did you not understand?

>>60106244
you'll live

>>60106276
fuck you
the only reason we don't have good shit like that is because you bend over and cuck yourself instead of rolling off your fat lard ass and telling those stupid jews to shut the fuck up and give you what you want

stupid nigger piece of welfare trash

>>60103187
I love the freedom of the Internet. It is so free.

>>60106303
>hurr durr muh free shit
neck yourself commie faggot

>2017
>retarded millenial reactionaries allow their brains to be completely taken over by corporate cock because dems = net neutrality, dems = bad

>>60106623
you are directly shilling in favor of Google/YouTube, Netflix, Amazon, Facebook you retarded fucking faggot. half of those companies actively spy on and censor material already. go fuck yourself with a rusty spoon and don't come back until an ISP does anything near as egregious as these retarded scenarios you all lay out in every thread

>>60106648
I've been watching the net neutrality fight play out longer than Youtube, Netflix, or Facebook have existed. Yet only recently do you retards pop thinking you have something to contribute to the discussion when the issue is purely technological one and the correct answer is not even remotely under question.

>>60105040
He is talking about a bill with no co soonsers from a republican senator that will never pass

>>60106797
>we need to prevent something that hasn't happened before

>>60106648
>actively spy
The irony.

Net Neutrality remaining strong and in government control is the best thing that can happen. Citizens should have the power to control how the internet is shared, especially when they themselves subsidized and created the infrastructure Comcast/etc. exploit for cash.

Maybe that kind of power is too much for stupid people. If that's you, just don't vote. That's the best outcome for you and for everyone else.

>>60106868
But it did.
Few years ago, and American ISP, don't known which one, had throttled bittorrent protocol