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>>60086870
FIRST FOR PRIVACY

NEW THREAD >>60082365

>>60086930
To continue,
Simplicity. Organized structuring (could consider infrastructure? Layout of workflow/env/etc) becomes incredibly easy when simplicity is established.

Example!
Installing Arch manually, you will have complete control over what is installed (as you're not following automated choices.)
As such, you place in your head exactly what is there and what isn't there, unless you're memory deficient - but that's not to be considered in this example.
Once you've set the environment up, you UNDERSTAND the components of your workflow. You are intimate with your software. Installing dev-utils, base-utils, et-cetera, will be already handled. Personal experience, I installed "archbang", and it did not come with base-utils nor dev-utils automatically. As well, I had to manually fetch yaourt, to fetch pacaur, then remove yaourt.

It's a boggle to deal with "pretty" distributions that do the "work" for you. If you do the work yourself, you become efficient, and create solutions for "problems" you may encounter.
Problem constitutes as anything that negatively impacts you. I.E., having to make a script would be a solution, to solve time crunching issues.

>>60086948
If you don't like systemd, you don't have to use it. Create a solution that implements an alternative, such as OpenRC. It's possible. You can do it. You can streamline it. Don't be a bitch.

>>60087017
and all of this you can only learn when choosing arch lunix™

>>60087017
dude ive never had an issue with ubuntu.
i push the big button that says install and after a bit everything works fine, it does exactly what i want my computer to do

>>60087053
I know this is a joke - in earnest, a mentality as that suggested is to lay complacent with lack of understanding. Negative to growth in the brain. This is more of a humanities issue than a UNIX/Linux issue, so I give up with this.

>>60087068
GNU/Linux*

>>60087079
I'm talking about the kernel, Linux, not the toolchain provided, GNU.

>>60087017
Arch isn't minimalist.

"It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible."

"It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken, as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't strive to offer choices like this, and never has."

"Arch is the opposite of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity."

"Arch has never been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc."

"It has always used significantly more disk space and a measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development perspective)."

"Memes about minimalism and user freedom != actual distribution policy / principles / history."

t. arch wiki admin
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>Install Xubuntu
>Liking it
>Install Dropbox
>Icon is incorrect and doesn't work
>Compiz effects don't want to work

OK, what DE do I need to switch to then?

>>60087126
>Install Dropbox
you failed right here

>>60087126
i also had an issue with xubuntu cocking things over, i went over to LXDE myself. but MATE or Cinnamon are good choices.

>>60087092
Did I fucking stutter? I said simple, not minimal. Sure, it's in "lieu", but simplicity does not EQUAL to minimalist.

Minimal would be... Puppylinux?

Simple would be Mint w/ no DE/WM.
Or Debian.
Arch.
Slackware.

Not Gentoo, though, that takes a lot of time to set up, which... in my terms, constitutes as friction to simple-ism.

>>60086870
Hi /fglt/, I'm looking to learn a lot of Linux OS for some work that my company will be doing (low level embedded Linux. I'll be focusing on the OS side of things).

Anyone got some good resources for making your own Linux OS? Working with drivers and things?

>>60087147
>no new ip
troll confirmed, kys

>>60087147
There are tons of resources for automatic driver grabbing. If these systems necessitate being connected to the internet, wget a fucking ton of drivers [archive] and you can do what you want with it from there (place into RAM for accessibility, or just on the disk temporarily [will reduce lifetime by a minimal amount, logically speaking, but in the long run does not matter])

But you need links, don't you? Find them yourself. They're out there.

>>60087157
thank you for protecting the streets of faglet

>>60087140
>Not Gentoo, though, that takes a lot of time to set up

are we talking about compile time here? because gentoo and arch are fairly comparable once you get past the whole 'compiling the whole os' thing which you do once

>>60087126
Did you disable xfce compositor and set compiz to start at login? There is a hack for hardcoded icons: https://github.com/Foggalong/hardcode-fixer

>>60087178
memes are worth a thousand words

>>60087178
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Gentoo (does not necessarily require, but recommends) get(ting)s intimate with your system's hardware in order to optimize efficiency.
While that's excellent and all, it often times has no measurable trade-off for performance once compiled and you get to work.

And, to compile your applications as well, your tools, your... you get the picture (I hope.)

Gentoo, while excellent to toy with, is not a simple process to handle. You [shouldn't] want to automate the process of compiling Gentoo (genkernel, etc) due to the philosophy of it. And that's just it - Gentoo works on a different philosophy than "simplicity". It goes more for raw "efficiency".

To note: in my earnest thoughts, efficiency is impacted whence basic menial returns are procured rather than looming optimizations that enhance productivity, say, six or tenfold, or however many n-folds we can go.

It's not simple, nor efficient - it is efficient in a logical sense, but not in a practical sense.

>>60087172
This will all be specific hardware, not generic stuff from the internet.

>>60087274
So, you're going to be deploying on specific hardware? A specific hardware in the sense of "it's all the same machine", right?

If so, that's absolutely easy. If you can find resources to modular driver deployment onto the kernel yadda yadda gibberish speak etc, you'll have little to no problems. If that's the case, I mean.

>>60087147
*GNU/Linux

Using neet distros might actually be a good idea. Such as Arch.
You can also try Linux From Scratch

http://tldp.org/
More specifically:
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/khg/HyperNews/get/khg.html

There are also many books on linux drivers.

>>60087126
Forgot to mention, there is also Alltray, you can specify a icon and keyboard shortcut to bring and take from/to the sys tray.

>>60087244
>You [shouldn't] want to automate the process of compiling Gentoo (genkernel, etc)
The process of compiling Gentoo is 100% automated, it's just highly configurable. You're talking about configuring the kernel, and configuring the kernel is basically a one-off time investment, after that it's much faster since you only need to configure new options with "make oldconfig" that appear in new kernel versions which there aren't many of (mostly new hardware support that you just skip)

>>60087244
if you don't think Gentoo is automated enough, you should try Source Mage

>>60087345
Certainly, that's the case. Though, can you go in-depth on what you consider to be "automation?" I'm having trouble connecting our ideas together on what "automation" is.

As an aside, the kernel, yes, will be pretty much handled with little user input after initial setup.
If you could jump into Gentoo in 10 minutes, and have an interface for typing where you have devutils and binutils and all those goodies (ala scripting to automate the procedure) that would be simple.

The philosophy of Gentoo isn't simple, is all.

>>60087092
>t. arch wiki admin
No, he was a "contributor" who got banned for bitching about systemd. Good riddance

>>60087431
>>60087140
I made posted several good replies explaining stuff to new comers but only my shit post get replies.
It's frustrating. You guys shouldn't reply to shit post.

explain this
https://www.gentoo.org/get-started/philosophy/
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Skype
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash

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>>60087466
It's kinda cute how some guys cry over Arch and systemd though, it's like living in a bubble

>>60087388
>what you consider to be "automation?"
Gentoo has dependency resolution and doesn't _require_ per package configuration. Unless you *want* to tinker you can just choose a profile, start emerge world and check out until your system is installed and ready. The rest is system configuration and has very little to do with 'compiling' per se (other than three lines in make.conf which set cpu flags, makeopts and cpu features)
This way its installation takes the same resources (from the user) as arch's. But more CPU resources and time obviously.

>If you could jump into Gentoo in 10 minutes
Probably possible with a few fuckton-core Xeons

>>60087492
Many distros have this problem.
https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy

>>60087501
looks legit

>>60087501
hahah saved in my arch memes folder

>>60087531
Of course. There's only like 5-6 distros that hasn't adopted systemd and most of them are inactive and unmaintained

Hey anybody use SSD as a read/write cache for an HDD using dm-cache or similar? Considering using 10-15 gb spare space on my boot SSD for this purpose.

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>>60087519
I'm surprised that they link to the FSF when quoting the four freedoms ( unlike https://www.linux.com/what-is-linux )

>>60087602
>Of course. There's only like 5-6 distros that hasn't adopted systemd and most of them are inactive and unmaintained
kidding right?

>>60086887
I second this

>>60087602
>like 5-6 distros
Just slackware. The others are toy OSs.

>>60087646
mirin forearms lad

>>60087656
Hmm, no.
>>60087662
For now, slackware is moving to systemd soon as well.

>>60087680
>what is Void Linux

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What are some cool terminal commands?

Why does linux suck so much dick?

>>60087708
A toy os.

>>60087724
okay lennart

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>>60087708
>>60087708
No one uses void except for a couple of void shill/developer

>>60087709
get pwned lammah lmfao

>>60087719
its unreliable?

>>60087750
The most used OS for servers, super computers and embedded.

>>60087737
Does the userbase even matter? By your logic Ubuntu would be best distro. Stop shitposting.

>>60087792
must be shit then?

>>60087796
Base ubuntu? It kinda is though

>>60087796
>Does the userbase even matter?
Yes.

>By your logic Ubuntu would be best distro.
That's not what she said.

>>60087814
Sure.

>>60087792
So it's useless for human use?

>>60087827
ok

>>60087828
You forgot Android, the most widely used smartphone OS.

>>60087709
Highly underused less flag: -p

less -p something file

jumps directly to the first occurence of 'something' in file

life is so much better now

>>60087819
Hm, kind of, yes. However, my point is Void is properly mantained (gnome 3.24 before arch, lmao) and there are other options for newbie-friendly systems. And no, slackware's not going with systemd anytime soon.

>>60087861
get out of my friendly thread cunt

>>60087861
Are you by any chance a cock sucking faggot?

>>60087861
pls no racism
>>60087882
pls no homophobia

good thread

Here is what happens on a stock Arch Linux system, powered by systemd, when a non-root user tries to restart the system:

$ reboot
Failed to set wall message, ignoring: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
Failed to reboot system via logind: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
Failed to talk to init daemon.

In contrast, here is the equivalent error message on a system powered by runit:

$ reboot
init: fatal: unable to create /etc/runit/stopit: access denied
And on the oldest and best, Slackware:

$ reboot
reboot: must be superuser.

>>60088014
post it on reddit and gtfo

>>60088014
runit best init
prove me wrong

Has BFQ been merged with the mainline kernel? It should yield better I/O

1/2
SYSTEMD

It's unpredictable

Log into a computer running systemd. Try to find the answer to "which units are going to be started on next boot?". This is not quite the same thing as "which units were started on this boot?", and because of the complex dependency relationships between units, it's actually a very difficult question to answer. This is bad if you're a security-conscious sysadmin.

The failing of dependency-driven service initialisation is that it works far better in theory than it does in practice. In theory, you just have a directed graph of nodes, and you would like those depended upon by default.target to start. In practice, that's not how systems administration works.

As a sysadmin, when I reboot a system, I want to be able to ask "is foo going to start up after a reboot?". I want to know, with reasonable confidence, what the state of my system is going to be when it comes onto the network. This is one area where sysvinit outperforms systemd immeasurably.

And yes, you can avoid the whole issue just by masking any units you don't want to start, but that's missing the point. Again, the point I'm making isn't that it doesn't work, just that it doesn't work efficiently. Your tools should make your job easier, not get in your way.


Full article: http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml

2/2
Its priorities are warped

One of the "features" of systemd is that it allows you to boot a system without needing a shell at all. This seems like such a senseless manoeuvre that I can't help but think of it as a knee-jerk reaction to the perception of Too Much Shell in sysv init scripts.

In exactly which universe is it reasonable to assume that you have a running D-Bus service (or kdbus) and a filesystem containing unit files, all the binaries they refer to, all the libraries they link against, and all the configuration files any of them reference, but that you lack that most ubiquitous of UNIX binaries, /bin/sh?

The use case often cited for this is managing services inside a container. I don't see why the init on my desktop needs to be complicated and restricted for the sake of a feature used by a minority of people with specialised use cases. By all means, write a tool for bootstrapping containers that doesn't rely on a shell, but don't shoehorn that into a one-size-fits-all init.

What makes this especially annoying, though, is that systemd also includes a dumbed-down shell-like parser to handle "EnvironmentFile"s (which usually don't actually set environment variables when sourced from a shell, but that's the way systemd's parser treats them). Also, service units have a pseudo-shell syntax for argument lists. One particularly bizarre feature that breaks expectations for users of pretty much any other software is that $FOO is word-split into multiple arguments, whereas ${FOO} isn't.

Is avoiding ever having to execute a binary really so useful in the real world that these complications are justified?

>>60088116
cant you just create a butthurt/hate/systemd general?

Clean installations

Manjaro OpenRC
http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro-openrc/

Arch OpenRC
A new alternative to the official Arch installation ISO is now available, along with its repositories, hosted on the same location as the original systemd-free repos. This will install a fresh OpenRC Arch system, which can be afterwards customized as needed. Read the installation instructions and profit.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/archopenrc/files/arch-openrc/

GNU/Linux Distributions without systemd

#Devuan uses sysvinit, offers openrc, runit, sinit

#Dragora uses sysvinit + perp

#Gentoo uses openrc (see Gentoo without systemd)

#Obarun uses s6 supervision suite

#PCLinuxOS

#Refracta

#Slackware uses sysvinit
Stali, the static Linux, uses sinit
Void Linux uses runit

Other Free Unices Without systemd

One of the critical reasons against systemd concerns the lack of portability to other Unices, and the associated risk to see Linux-based systems detach from the UNIX world. OpenBSD, FreeBSD and other BSD OSes are de facto incompatible with systemd, or rather, systemd is incompatible with Unices not running Linux.

The BSD family:
FreeBSD
OpenBSD
DragonFly BSD
etc.

>>60088116
unix? >>>/fa/osx

>>60088096
Huh? just look for default services. You are not just used to systemd

>>60088172
please fuck off

ITT: Red Hat/Fedora whores (basically sjws) against free systemd just because the globalist german behind it said it was the future of Linux

>>60088193
>friendly

>>60088106
>DADDY I DON'T LIKE IT BAN IT BAN IT

>>60088203
nigger i don't join fglt in order to read shit about systemd 24/7, get your own thread

>>60087501
>/g/ voting
>seriously
you are the fags who go to /v/ ask about if Switch's price is fair
>>60088203
I won't be surprised if Lennart writes another essay about how anti-system initiatives id are related/similar to the rise of Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump.

>>60088233
It's on topic. Deal with it.

>>60088233
>implying it's us keeping alive the systemd love/hate meme
I thought this shit endend two weeks ago after fucking up 4 threads?

>>60088096
>>60088116
You seem to have opinions about systemd. Would it not be a good idea to post it in relevant sites so that people can actually help you?

For example you should have posted it in Google+ or github or mailing lists. Yet you posted this in your blog and you have your comments disabled. Does it make any sense?

>>60088237
That's not really /g/ voting. /g/ doesn't have 5k users

>>60088269
and then there is this faggot
nice we're all here

>>60088277
What is unity but GNOME shell in disguise?

>>60088267
>For example you should have posted it in Google+ or github or mailing lists
refute here, don't read, ignore, or just whatever. There are dozens (or hundreds) of pro-systemd arguments.

c-can someone explain (in babby friendly language) the problem with systemd?

>>60088291
>There are dozens (or hundreds) of pro-systemd arguments.
Sigh. It's okay.

>>60088309
If you have to ask you shouldn't have to worry
>>60088291
The author of that article admits the merits of systemd too.

>>60088300
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

>>60088334
tl;dr pls?

>>60088358
Sure.
tl;dr of link 1: "systemd is bad"
tl;dr of link 2: "no, systemd is good"

>>60087079
*Linux

People who don't know about systemd:

By reading the article below you'll understand both sides(because the author uses pro-systemd claims).
http://judecnelson.blogspot.com.br/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html
>>60088332
>The author of that article admits the merits of systemd too.
Because it does have merits. It has more negatives though.

>>60088370
*GNU/Linux

is there any way to make Gnome 3 usable?

>>60088378
>systemD is big and written in C, and we'll have to debug it
This is a point made very well. Both Linux and Systemd is burdened with C, and somewhat inherently unsecure.
It also concerns me that Linus is a C purist. Linux security vulnerabilities keep coming up every now and then. This is not going to be any different for systemd.

In a perfect world someone would port NetBSD to Rust, If I was young again, I'd invest the rest of my life in it. Having a family and a full time job makes it almost impossible.

>>60088300
systemd got popularity so some retards think its popularity means THE JEWS WANT TO TAKE OVER AND FORCE EVERYONE TO USE SYSTEMD
further these extremly paranoid people (ITS RED HAT NSA BUILDING BACKDOORS INTO EVERYTHING) created "systemd-free distributions" and coined terms like "init freedom" in order to brainwash more people from the free software community on their side

in reality, systemd is just popular, botnet-free free software
the actual "problem" are developers who make their programs depend on systemd, which makes it difficult to use them without, but that's what happens when something got popularity

>The systemd project has 688,539 lines total (1,468,444 added, 779,905 removed). Note that this includes everything, not just the C code that compiles into systemd's binaries.
>The systemd project has 17,503 commits.
RED ALERT:
>The top ten contributors by number of commits represent 82.73% of all commits.
>Of the top 10 contributors by commit count, eight of them are also in the top ten list of contributors by lines of code added.
>The top 10 contributors wrote 90.8% of systemd. By lines of code added, the top 10 are responsible for contributing a net total of 625,711 lines.

It's not being developed by a community or anything like they present (oh it's free software xD). This is from a small team paid by Red Hat (whose income comes from taxpayer = government).

https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/red-Hats-decade-of-collaboration-with-government-and-the-open-source-community

>>60088367
kek

>>60088484
Do you hate that I use a free and open source software?

>>60088483
>init freedom
because systemd will destroy portability and the only thing that makes linux alive is many different systems using the same software (by simply porting them)

>>60088507
GNU/Linux*

>>60088507
>because systemd will destroy
can you explain how without using memes like "its forcing" us to do something (which it doesn't)?

Who's up for kernel freedom?

>>60088454
What makes you prefer NetBSD to OpenBSD/FreeBSD?

>>60088531
read the articles because you are too stupid (based on the fact of your ''question''). You don't understand the big picture

>>60088555
i see; out of arguments

>>60088560
I bet you are german: arrogant and lazy. Can't even afford to click two blogspot articles because it's too much effort.

>>60088549
upvoted

>>60088483
>the actual "problem" are developers who make their programs depend on systemd, which makes it difficult to use them without, but that's what happens when something got popularity
No, the devs will just use a working product to depend upon. Believe me or not, the developers just want their shit to work as intended --it doesn't take NSA to pay for them.

Never seen anyone bitch about X.org or "display server freedom" or anything. Because they know there are not much of an option.

Same with Glibc. People know musl and uclibc is slow garbage. Same with GCC-Linux dependence. Why is this hypocrisy?

The truth is , Microsoft has successfully ingrained a new fashion statement to hate on Redhat. It's the same thing they have done with Java --irrational hatred.

People irrationally hate FLOSS
People irrationally hate Java but love C#
People irrationally hate Canonical/Redhat but love Microsoft/Apple.

History repeats itself. It's the history of divide and rule.

>>60088551
NetBSD is still more portable. FreeBSD and (specially) OpenBSD is heavily dependent on C style memory management. For example both FreeBSD and OpenBSD are proted from NetBSD. NetBSD is more simple to start porting imho.

>>60087309
*Linux

>>60088608
*GNU/Linux

>>60086870
can you repeat that in spanish?

>>60088611
>>60088608
i like you 2, ur qt

Good bitmap fonts for my rice?

>>60088638
https://github.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts
thank me later faggot

>>60088638
>>60088648

I tried them all and always come back to terminus.
>inb4 normie

>>60088587
>People irrationally hate Canonical/Redhat but love Microsoft/Apple.
People hated Canonical for including spyware for over 2 years and Redhat for being anti-transparent

what is the best distro for beginners?
what is the best distro for experts?

>>60088682
>what is the best distro for beginners?
gentoo
>what is the best distro for experts?
arch

>>60088662
Fixedsys Excelsior is the one I always go back to

>>60088682
ubuntu
debian

>>60088712
https://q4os.org/

>>60088678
The canonical hatred is older than the amazon ad, that's a fact.

>Redhat for being anti-transparent
Where is the oh-so-called lack of transparency? Redhat funds Linux, develops in and for Linux. Redhat is Linux. And all their software are free software

>>60088682
mint
debian

>>60088735
>The canonical hatred is older than the amazon ad, that's a fact.
nah, stop lying.

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>>60088736
>mint
please

>>60088750
i hate mint but the fact they didn't include updates 4 and 5 by default is good
It usually break systems specially when new fags install everything that is new without reading what is being installed.
The java and flash packages are a kikery I think they dropped in the 18 version at least.

>>60088771
>i hate
Life's to short for hate, bro.
Seek unrustlement.

>>60088750
already forgot about this meme

somehow all that is left to discuss is hating on software in general, right

>>60088810
On the contrary, life's too short to not hate.
Why limit your set of experiences to only the "positive" when you can experience the full spectrum? Open your eyes anon

>>60088844
>The Open Source community is full of assholes.
>-- L. P.

>>60088857
Someone tell him to join the Free Software community. We have love.

>>60088381
*Linux

>>60088872
*GNU/Linux

>>60088867
what's wrong with the linux community?

recommend me a badass tiling wm, i3 is boring

>>60088854
this, life is far too long to forgive all willy nilly and get burned over and over again just because hate is "bad"

>>60088920
sway

>>60088940
fuck off

>>60088513
*Linux

>>60088950
*GNU/Linux

>>60088920
I know right. That shit needs some window decorations or something that I can just fuck around with when I'm bored and try to come up with some epic aesthetics other than the hardcore minimalism most people seem to think looks good these days

>>60088611
*Linux
>>60088635
Em, wut?

>>60087709
how does that work?

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>>60089004
*GNU/Linux

>>60088878
*Linux

>>60089007
xxd converts the command that removes shit (which is in hex) back to ascii $() executes it
play around with xxd like this:

$ xxd -p <<< faggot
666167676f740a
$ xxd -p -r <<< 666167676f740a
faggot

>>60088963
*Linux

>>60089056
>>60089077
*GNU/Linux*

>>60087737
Because I remember reading that the great thing about Void is its package manager, yet I can't fucking find any of the information I want about it.

I'm not some fucking scrub who doesn't know shit and just wants to read article after article online about how to USE the package manager, I want to fucking know how it WORKS.

If it takes me longer than 5 minutes to find anything at all giving a technical explanation of what's great about their package manager or how it's different from others under the hood then why even bother.

`xxd -p -r <<< 6563686f207468652067616d650a`

>>60089159
nobody run this

>>60089177
FUCK YOU

>>60089062
fucking awesome. thanks mate.

>>60089177
FUCK HOW DO I GET MY ANIME BACK?
FUCKING CUNT

Who here is bulking?

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>>60089429
>>60089410
>>60089159

>>60088923
Life is the shortest thing you will ever experience,death is the longest

Why the fuck is a piece of shit old Toshiba computer giving me "failure fixed disk 0" after installing xubuntu? Worked fine when Vista was installed so I'm hesitant to believe it's because of a dead drive.

>>60089768
Can you boot a live cd and try to mount the drive?

Did you accidentally disable boot from the hdd on the bios when enabling boot from the dvd and forgot to change it back again?

Did you move the computer during the installation? Say to use an ethernet cable in some other part of the house? The hdd might have disconnected.

>>60089870
Yes I can mount the drive.
No I booted the live CD from boot menu. The drive is still recognized in BIOS and set to 1st.
I moved it, but I also moved it when I was looking at it before I went to install Xubuntu. No problems when Vista was installed. Also I doubt it disconnected because I've installed Xubuntu 3 times to it successfully now. For whatever reason BIOS just won't boot the drive.

>>60087709
For debian/debian based systems, prints packages sorted by size. Helps at getting rid of bloat.

dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package} ${Status}\n' | awk '/installed/ { print $1, $2 }' | sort -n

>>60089917
I'm assuming it doesn't have secure boot right?

Sounds like a problem with grub. Does the xubuntu installer ask where you want to install grub? If so, where did you install? Were there pen drives inserted during the installation?

Did you use a custom partition scheme? If so what is it? How did you do the partitioning?
Did it ask about gpt/mbr tables? If so did you pick gpt?

How big is the hdd? Is it recent? If so you might have to create a small partition at the beginning of the disk for the bios to understand it.

A lot of questions because I never installed *buntu. Idk the installer.

>>60089992
No secureboot. Old as shit.
Didn't ask me where to install it. Just did I'm pretty sure. The pen drive installed was the liveCD.
Installer didn't ask for anything. It partitioned and managed everything automatically.
It's an old 80GB Fujitsu drive or something. What kind of small partition at the beginning?

>>60090022
>It's an old 80GB Fujitsu drive or something. What kind of small partition at the beginning?
That would only be the case if it were one of those 1tb+ on a 10 years old.

>Installer didn't ask for anything. It partitioned and managed everything automatically.
It might have used gpt instead of mbr. Are you in the live system?

Do:

cfdisk /dev/sda

or

cfdisk /dev/sdb

One of them should be your hdd. See if you read 'gpt' or 'mbr' somewhere.

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>>60086870
In the OP I was looking at the /t/'s GNU/Linux Training Videos: when I download thees torrents they give me a ISO file are thees VM's or am i just missing some bit of information how do I access the contents of thees files?

>>60090123
An iso is a brute copy of an cd/dvd. You can write them to cd/dvd by selecting the "burn cd image" in your burning software. You can tell your vm hypervisor to boot from them by selecting the "local image" on something on those lines.

>>60090168
oh so do I have to burn thees images to a CD/DVD to view them how can I play this on a thing like vlc or mpv?

>>60090075
Not seeing either of those terms.

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>>60090192
Am I been memed?

Image is the term for a precise copy of a device content. You burn them to a dvd if you want to boot linux on your machine.

>>60090203
See pic. Beginning of third line.
"Rótulo" will probably be "Label".
If it's not there attach picture of what you see.

>>60090234
*GNU/Linux sorry

>>60090234

 Label: dos 

>>60090234
Not a meme friend. I downloaded this ISO from /t/ and now want to watch it. I don't have any CD/DVD on hand so how do I view the contents of this file.

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>>60090285
forgot img

>>60090304
If it's just a video dvd rip, you might be able to open it with VLC without doing anything else.

We should start saying gnuLx or gnulx. It's much faster to type.

>>60090260
Yeah, that's right. If can't be a partition scheme problem, you would at least see a grub error. Let me think a bit.

>>60090304
Ohh ok. Did you try double clicking? Gnome should mount and show on the side bar. If doesn't work:

sudo mount -t iso9660 /home/youruser/gayporn.iso /home/youruser/empty-direcotry-where-you-want-it-to-show/

>>60090339
thanks mounting it work.

>>60090260
I have to sleep. My last guess is that something overheat because the installation process uses the cpu, hdd and lan a lot. Possibly the southbridge. Leave it to cool down an try again later.

You removed all cd/pen-drives after the installation tight?

>>60090467
Oh shit you were right it was just too hot. It booted to GRUB now. Strange piece of shit computer wouldn't even let me access 4chan.org in the liveCD for some reason, too.

Thanks.

>>60090520
Glad to help. I even got to practice my German looking on some forums hu3

Why is browsing the web so bad on linux? No matter what machine i use, no matter what I do, its always a screen tearing mess. Using the gfx.xrender fix in firefox helps some, but its still bad. Even the old xorg screen tearing fix doesn't help. Any tricks i'm missing here?

Hi /fglt/, just in case some of you decide to get the dumb idea of trying to install deb or rpm files that is outside of a repository, or tries to install packages that were meant for a different version of your distribution - DON'T FUCKING DO THAT, IT WILL SCRAMBLE THE ROOT DIRECTORY, LEADING TO WEIRD EFFECTS. IF IT IS NOT AVAILABLE ON YOUR DISTRIBUTION, COMPILE IT YOURSELF.
You're welcome.

>>60091175
Compton or wayland
Look for Compton config on ubuntu forum

Hey lads
That feeling when you finally configure your SSH workflow -- but also add an ssh user for mpd connected to your big ol soundsystem, as well as a workflow for managing your playlists through every device you own globally centralized to the music computer "sshbox"

i.e. i can annoy my roommate from anywhere in the world until he turns off the power

>>60091232
Did that a lot when was like 14. Never had problems. Try testing it on a chroot or install gnulx on lvm so you ca snapshot

>>60091337
Have a (You)

>>60091363
:~)

>>60091232
If you are going to compile yourself might as well create a package. It's super easy and will make management more convenient.

Polite sage.
>>60091340
Well then it was just bad luck on me for picking a package on rpmfind and such, which just happened to disable my touchpad out of nowhere (it was a dosbox package meant for fedora, to install on centos, but that shouldnt be a big deal since fedora is beta centos).

>>60091410
Will do once I am less busy with other autism.

I'm trying to install nvidia-beta from the AUR, because the current stable driver doesn't work at all with my GPU, while the beta does. It conflicts with libglvnd, which is depended on by other system components like xorg. What do I do?

>>60091914
What card are you using?

>>60091932
It's a laptop 1050. The driver before 378 worked fine, but 378 makes x not start. I'd rather go to the beta that fixes it than downgrade. Lots of people on the arch forums have the same problem. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the solution is to install nvidia-libgl-beta and remove libglvnd.

>>60092036
post/read your Xorg.0.log when it dosent start

>tfw VP9/265 looks amazing for the resulting filesizes but takes almost an absurd amount of time to encode

4chan webms are fine though, vp9 support when.

My Ubuntu won't accept my pw. My machine was not tampered with. I am not spiked. What the fuck?

how do I change kernel parameters if I'm using systemd-boot?

>>60092635
sysctl or in your bootloader config.
What parameter?

>Hey /fglt/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?
where's that frogposter?

>>60092560
obligatory caps lock. have you changed keymapping maybe by accident?

>>60092752
Not Caps Lock for sure. I have used on-screen keyboard to type in pw to ensure that it's exactly what I chose. I am slowly going mad.

>>60092773
have you accidentally swapped it to login as root instead of your regular user account

>Watchdog did not stop!
>Watchdog did not stop!

I'm setting up my laptop with an external monitor. laptop has 15" 4k display vs monitor which is 34" 3440x1440. Apparently X-org (X11? Xserver? Whatever it's called) doesn't support multihead with different DPI. I tried out scaling as suggested in the Arch wiki and it looks like absolute shit.

Does Wayland support this? Could I still use Openbox or maybe Fluxbox (or something similar) if I switched?

>>60092851
seriously though, why does systemd do this, and why twice? It's always twice among my last messages during reboot.

>>60092834
No and I've tried to login from tty too.

>>60092889
maybe you have alzheimers

>>60092856
I don't know much about that exact situation:
wayland is much better about scaling and high res in general, but 90% of the time you can make xorg look how you want. Wayland is compatible with very few DEs and WMs. GNOME is at the front of this, boasting 100% usable wayland default. If you don't want to use wayland the only real other option is Sway wm, a clone of i3 built for wayland. Unfortunately sway has no support for nvidia proprietary because of some stupid decisions made by nvidia.

>>60092900
That's probably it, anon. Fuck it.

>just wasted the last two hours configuring nvidia optimus
I hope i never have to do that again. nvidia need to neck themselves, I'm never buying a product from that shitty company ever again. Fuck them and their proprietary driver. when will I be able to buy a thinkpad with an amd gpu?

>>60092635
>being a boot time ricer

>>60092952
if i was ricing boot time I wouldn't use systemd-boot.

>>60092967
What would you use, syslinux?

Could I theoretically kill xorg, then use optirun or primusrun startx so that the entire session is on the discrete card, instead of using optirun for each program?

>>60092880

Literally 12 seconds on my search engine of choice to find the answer.

>>60093162
maybe, haven't used those before so i can't say for sure, but similar things can be done that way
it might be better to just change the final line in your xinitrc to include that, like;

exec openbox-session

to

exec optirun openbox-session

>>60091914
>install nvidia-beta
found the retard

>there are people in 2017 that still trust in Mint/Canonical
>There are people who don't find suspicious they include multiverse and restricted packages out of the box
>there are people who actually tried to upgrade kernel using MInt's graphical interface

>>60093828
I finally got it working. I just had to change the versions in the pkgbuild. Anyway, my options were either downgrade to 376 or earlier, or use the beta. For some reason the 378 driver doesn't initialise/detect the card at all. Lots of people had the problem even in windows. What's wrong with the beta? I'll go back to nvidia when 380 becomes mainline.

why doesn't debian include nonfree firmware by default?

What's the best WM to use with ubuntu?

If I want gnome on Ubuntu, should I do a netinstall and select gnome or should i just get the Ubuntu Gnome flavor?

How can I use an alias to just type redeem and the username and key I want to use. Can alias do something like this?

mono ArchiSteamFarm.exe --client "redeem username key"

>>60095006
Would this work?

alias redeem='mono ArchiSteamFarm.exe --client "redeem \!* \!*"'

use a function

function redeem { echo mono ArchiSteamFarm.exe --client "redeem $@" }

>>60095093
(take the echo out, just testing)

>>60095099
I would add that to bashrc?

>>60095110
yea, bash is a little different though, use

function redeem() { mono ArchiSteamFarm.exe --client "redeem $@" ;}

>>60095123
Thanks

can canonical pls switch to gnome-classic by default

After having installed IceCat on my XUbuntu os, if i run " lsb_release -a " it says that I'm running on a Trisquel distro. I think that I've messed up whith the repositories.
Can anyone help me?

How's Solus? I'm considering it as my main operating system. Currently on Debian Testing.

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MS paint alternative?

>>60095709
pinta,
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Alternative

>>60095472
it's decent, from my experience, but not really special. it's good if you love budgie DE.
>eopkg, a new package manager. package manager honestly doesn't matter in 2017, but 90% of packages are either .rpms or .debs, and most of those are in the AUR. solus has barely any packages, even less than void, but enough stuff is packaged that it isn't horribly inconvenient. chances are there is a program you use, either in debian repos or as a .deb that isn't on solus.
>rolling release
standard rolling release, more conservative than arch and void, but breakage could be likely due to its small dev team.
It's easy to install and set up. I'd just stick with debian unless you really like budgie, but in my experience budgie is just a shittier, uglier fork of gnome.

I am so very done with Nextcloud.
What to use instead? Syncthing?

>>60094518
Because it's committed to being entirely free software. Anyway, it's very easy to get an iso with firmware included isn't it? Or you could just pick firmware in the netinstall.

What's the difference between optirun, primus and nvidia-xrun for nvidia optimus? Which should I use? I tried benchmarking optirun primus and got literally the exact same score on both. (And from briefly looking at the man pages for optirun, it looks like it includes an option for primus, but I left it on auto.)

good thread

how does a gnome shell extension determine where to add the label to the main panel

>>60089083
>>60087309
*Linux

>>60096846
*gnlx

Is there a way to make a particular program not require sudo?

I use ZZZ every now and then for both hibernating and even sleeping when I don't want to/can't close the lid, but having to type my password in every time just to suspend the computer is a bit annoying.

Alternatively, is there a way I can change suspend permissions or something to make ZZZ just not need sudo anymore? If someone can access my laptop and issue commands, them forcing hibernation is probably the very last thing I need to worry about.

>>60096870
yes

>>60096877
Last I checked they didn't list the collection of utilities, components and all that bollocks either
>>60096855
*Linux
ftfy

>>60096909
GNU/Linux*

>>60096893
Yes to which? I'm happy not to be spoonfed and do my own research but I'd appreciate a slightly narrower answer

>>60096877
i don't think most OS's even name their kernel specifically
they're usually just "the <os name> kernel"
i'm pretty sure linus was the first person to combine gnu with linux, owing to the fact it was done before any public releases, and he calls them together just "linux", so i go with that

>>60096917
*Linux

Don't know how, but some abbreviated shite keeps appearing in front of Linux there lad, may want to get that checked out

>>60096909
gnlx

>>60096929
GNU/Linux*

>>60096929
>>60096940
>>60096917
gnlx is easier to type and pronounce

>>60096934
There's calling it Linux, calling it GNU/Linux, then theres you just making shit up
>>60096940
*Linux, there it is again! Your PC may have a serious case of autism im afraid

>>60096959
it's the superior form brainlet

>>60096959
GNU/Linux*

>>60096925
>Sadly, a kernel by itself gets you nowhere. To get a working system you
>need a shell, compilers, a library etc. These are separate parts and may
>be under a stricter (or even looser) copyright. Most of the tools used
>with linux are GNU software and are under the GNU copyleft. These tools
>aren't in the distribution - ask me (or GNU) for more info.

>http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/historical/kernel/old-versions/RELNOTES-0.01

>>60096975
what part of that supports your argument, or counters mine?

>>60096919
I see that I arrived at a bad time. Still, perhaps someone can not be extremely autistic for just a minute?

>>60096975
*gnlx

>>60096993
"As has been noted (not only by me), the linux kernel is a miniscule part of a complete system".
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/msg/ac1b04eb0e09c03e

Is there any way to change the display the tty shows on in a multi monitor setup? If so how?

>>60097005
what part of that supports your argument, or counters mine?

>>60096870
check setuid and setgid

>>60096972
Extra syllables != superior form. Face it, Most don't give two shits about GNU and never will. Fighting for the cause is pointless

>>60096972
>>60096975
*Linux

>>60096870
you can also add your user to the executable group and set group permissions to 5 or 7

>>60097079
GNU/Linux*

>>60097068
>Extra syllables
what are you talking abaout? It's easier to write and pronounce than linux. g-nul-x

>>60097092

see >>60096714

>>60097117

>>60097110
The post you linked was correcting GNU/Linux and gnlx, you didn't specify the "superior form" you were referring to. Take your abbreviation to RMS and see what he makes of it

>>60097131

>>60097143
underrated post

Reminder that if you partake in GNU/Linux naming "discussion" that you're an idiot who is inflating his imbecile intelligence by bike-shedding.

>>60096919
sudoers

>>60097205
Reminder that no one gives two shits about what you think of them or your opinion on any matter whatsoever. Some big words in that post, you learn those from Dora the Explorer?

What are some distro with vanilla packages?

>>60097009
your wm/de

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>>60097143
found the namefag, threads dead

>>60097231
linux

>>60097017
This would be perfect except it's apparently a shell script so this fails.

>>60097088
Horribly noob question - can I have the executable owned by root, belong to some group my (non-root) user also belongs to, and through that have my non-root user execute the script with root permissions (assuming the group has execute permissions on the script of course)?

>>60097220

Literal idiot who has no real and useful knowledge, but who has to resort to pointless naming discussions detected. Are you feeling smart yet?

>>60097231
What do you mean?

>>60097231
Just treat newfags nicely until they fuck up, then correct them with a smartphone company I have to tinker with the kernel a bit to get a PC. I've seen it mentioned from time to time, but no ones complained about it they denied it, but it doesnt hurt to learn. Well, that's not normal.

>>60097254
>>60096870

man sudo
man visudo
visudo

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>>60097276
wat

>>60097267
Are you? Sounds like you're a beta who's so inept at life he has to be a pretentious shit on /g/ to feel like he has any sense of worth. As mentioned you're a nobody, you're opinion is worth nothing and it will never be worth anything. Come back to me when you're on the chair with the rope set up, maybe then I'll give a fuck about you and what you're saying

>>60097289
You can get wild too. But if you had a fanless thermalright 120 extreme on my own. They'll probably keep the maintenance port in my root and go back to my ram inquiry.

>>60097294
>>60097267
yall need church

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>>60097295

>>60097273

He probably means a distribution which doesn't patch or alter packages in any way. Example of one which does heavily: Debian. Example of one which tries not to: Arch.

>>60097294

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of actual contributions to this thread instead of your little charade.

>>60097273
Something like Slackware, it has package that is original from upstream.

>>60097310
Microsoft have already proven that normies don't give away your doxx to anyone that asks? Is it going to be an everyday tool in our lives but it is getting to the obviously superior Chromium? I don't get it if you had a copy of the GNU system made useful by the FBI using certain trigger codes.

>>60097313
>hear
>on an imageboard

k

>>60095875
Mate > Budgie > Gnome

Anyways, Budgie is moving to qt, how would this affect me if I jumped to the Budgie train right now?

>>60097289

#!/usr/bin/env python2
# <http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/>.

import markovify
import requests
import HTMLParser

parser = HTMLParser.HTMLParser()

def main():
    content = []
    for page in range(1, 11):
        res = requests.get('https://a.4cdn.org/g/{}.json'.format(page))
        if res.status_code == 200:
            for thread in res.json().get('threads', []):
                for post in thread.get('posts', []):
                    content.append(parser.unescape(post.get('com', '').replace('<br>', ' ')))

    m = markovify.Text('\n'.join(content))
    print(' '.join(m.make_sentence() for _ in range(3)))

if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

>>60097276
>>60097295
>>60097323
How many translation steps were involved

>>60097313
*tirade
ftfy

>>60097254
>Horribly noob question - can I have the executable owned by root, belong to some group my (non-root) user also belongs to, and through that have my non-root user execute the script with root permissions (assuming the group has execute permissions on the script of course)?
Yes. That's basically how sudo works.
Add:

user = ALL NOPASSWD: /sbin/mplayer-sissy-trainning-music-video.ogv

to your sudoers file.

>>60097313
That would imply that this thread isn't cancerous

>>60097349
'user' is your user

>>60097359
This thread not being cancerous would imply "free" software not being cancerous.

>>60097349
>>60097362
That sounds good, thanks. Seems like I'll still have to type "sudo" if I do it this way but that's nothing a couple aliases can't fix.

>>60097373
isn't it?

>>60097390
"Free" software and open sores are extremely cancerous.

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>>60097396

>>60097386
There isn't really a escape from that, someone has to set the setuid and setgid flags. You can do the group thing but it's a pain and a different process for every executable.

>>60097396
>>60097415
>>60097390
LEAVE US ALONE IN OUR GODDAMN CONTAINMENT THREAD REEEEEEEEEEEEE MODS DELET

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>>60097396
go outa /g/

New thread:
>>60097434
>>60097434
>>60097434

>>60097428
or what?

>>60097438
>it's another microsoft shill thread