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>>60068704
Nice drivers you got there :^)

>>60068827
thank you! they work extremely well!

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>FreeBSD server
>MacOS workstation

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>cuck license

>>60068704
Use CDDL or MPL.
>non cucked like BSD
>non viral like GPL

>>60068704
Nice ASLR you got there :^)

>>60069384
11 have ASLR. It's not like anyone cares, since they failed against Linux almost everywhere..

Obligatory reminder that FreeBSD's security is worse than Windows.

https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.txt

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>>60069057
>anon likes productivity and security with sane defaults

no complaints have a nice day

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>>60069480
>security
>on OSX

>>60069463
FreeBSD 11 does not have ASLR.
FreeBSD -CURRENT does not have ASLR.

All potential /g/ posters should be required to pass an English proficiency test before posting.

>>60069479
Only brainlets use FreeBSD.

OpenBSD is arguably on of the most secure operating systems ever made.

>>60068704
because the benefits of running BSD instead of Linux aren't all that noticeable on a laptop/desktop?

>>60069625
what if I just don't like stall(in)man?

>>60069513
Well i'm exposed. I don't give much shit about freebsd or anon arguments.

>>60069635
Doesn't (free|open)bsd still use gcc?

>>60069682
FreeBSD and OpenBSD use GCC for some non-x86 architectures. Both include Clang/LLVM in base. FreeBSD currently builds x86 with Clang and OpenBSD is in the process of transitioning to it.

>>60069373
http://copyfree.org/standard/rejected

>>60069671

>i was wrong and got called out
>heh well i don't care about your opinion

Pajeet isn't just a meme we came up with, friends. They're actually here and actually shitting up the board with broken english.

>>60068704
because it's an insecure piece of shit

>>60069784
>''''''approved'''''' list
>all cuck licenses that encourage use in proprietary software
lel

>>60069312
>PROTECT MY FREEDOMS BY LIMITING MY FREEDOMS
lmao, gnu niggers are pathetic

>>60070071
>having the freedom to take freedom away from other people is more freedom

>>60069510
Umm sweetie MacOS is more secure than Linux

>>60068704
>easier to install
>default packages have depreciated and inherently insecure options
yeah no

The one and only advantage to using it in this day is it's networking stack. That itself is an advantage it'll soon loses. Big money is going into the linux networking stack, people want to eventually use it for top shelf networking equipment. Nothing else it has is worth using it for over a linux system. I mean shit like jails aren't bad or useless but we have a million more ways of encapsulating a system these days, more importantly ways that are used in the industry.

>>60070356
>it's networking stack
>an advantage it'll soon loses.

Seriously, why are these filthy foreigners allowed to post here?

>>60070400
okay sure, point out english is not my first language
but that doesn't change the validity of my points you retard

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>>60068704
stay mad bsdcucks

>>60070294
People around here confuse privacy and security.
And they're right to, in that sense OSX is insecure as fuck.

>>60068704
>easier to install
Yeah, no. Getting X running, working out which kernel modules you need to load on boot, working out what you need to get set up in /etc/rc.conf, and optionally rebuilding the kernel if you need something like ALTQ isn't exactly what I'd call easier than installing most Linux distros.

>>60068704
Alright fuck it, I'll try installing BSD in a VM. Which one? FreeBSD?

>>60068827
You mean the ones the Linux devs stole?

>>60071034
T R U E O S
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>>60069530
Now that syspatch is available i've moved all of my machines over to OpenBSD. I used to hate manually updating the base system but now i can just do a binary update.

>>60071079
Feeling like this is an epic meme like Solus Linux.

>>60068704

Doesn't Work on My Machine™

>>60070294
this may be true, but there is also alot more motivation to create viruses / exploits for OSX cause of the larger userbase. Linux may have more flaws, but gets targeted less

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>>60071079
never heard of it, checked the website and it looks fucking great.

anyone has input about it?

>>60068704
>when you have the functionality that gnu/linux had 15 years ago

>>60071081
are you sure that's a good idea

it's still relatively new

also i love all the internal changes happening to the project, dropping VAX and CD releases seems to have sped up everything

>>60071143
It's like Ubuntu but even more broken than if you were actually using Ubuntu.

Based on FreeBSD -CURRENT (development branch that's largely untested) and doesn't support any modern Intel or AMD graphics cards.

>>60071190
I'm dabbling with it on my laptop, my workstations we still use openup but i think by the time OpenBSD 6.2 comes around syspatch will be stable.

>>60071143
It's the Ubuntu of the BSDs, i.e. just a messed up version of FreeBSD. Just get FreeBSD.

>>60068704
I think I caught wind of some kind of political bullshit surrounding BSD. Anyone wanna redpill me?

>>60071331
>Anyone wanna redpill me?
Yes. Never use it. It doesn't protect your freedoms.

It's made its way into most Linux distributions through OpenSSH, sadly. Whenever possible, replace OpenSSH with GNU LSH.

Always prefer software that defends your freedoms!

>>60071380
the funny part about this post is i'm sure some people unironically use lsh because of political reasons

I'm going to install FreeBSD on a virtual machine since it cannot be installed on my iMac at this time. I have 8 gigs of ram. I'm going to be using this virtual machine for hours everyday for programming and shitposting.How much ram should I give it? I will be using a lightweight window manager. Also, as it will probably be less than 4GB should I use i386 instead of amd64? Thank you.

>>60070277
>i lose something when somebody copies me

thats just as retarded as saying piracy is theft

>>60071430
2gb ram. AMD64 if you can. JWM.

>>60071430
yeah 4 GB is more than enough

don't see why you wouldn't go with amd64

>>60071439
GiB*

>>60071380
Good joke
Install LibreSSL

>>60068704
>Why aren't you using it anon?

read the text on your underage meme image.

This is why: I wish not to associate myself with the likes of you.

>>60069312
Unless you are going to contribute code, I don't know why would you care.

>>60071454
GnuTLS*

thread theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM

>>60071599
Is there any basic sandboxing applications for FreeBSD? I like to sandbox all of my internet facing and office suit applications on Linux using firejail/seccomp.

>>60071945
No.

>>60071331
There is some SJW corruption in FreeBSD only. Other BSDs are unaffected.

>>60071945
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html

>>60072023
Thanks, friend.

>>60072090
You're welcome

>>60068704
Because use of the ports tree basically breaks any promise of stability. You might as well be running a rolling release Linux distro at that point.

If you want to "set it and forget it" distro, use CentOS or Debian.

>>60068704
>The BSD License allows proprietary use and allows the software released under the license to be incorporated into proprietary products.
No, thanks

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>>60072871
Can't hear you too busy playing video games on my BSD based console.

>>60072916
that's why we hate you so much
it had to be hacked thanks to you

>>60072916
Too bad Free/Open/NetBSD for PCs has literally (and I mean literally) zero fucking games.

>>60072469
Rolling release Linux (portage) is waaaaay more stable than ports.

>>60073110
yeah you literally CAN'T play emulated games (which means you have an almost infinite amount of them)

>>60068704
>Why aren't you using it anon?

because the advantages over linux are not *that* many (even though they definitely are there) that it's worth to learn a whole new OS.

>>60073122
Let me know when you can reliably emulate any console made in the past 20 years

>>60071143
it's my main os, it's good

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>>60071488

>>60073143
>moving the goalpost
PCSX2 could probably run but i don't feel like porting it

also PS2 is probably the only console you can "reliably" emulate that was also made in the past 20 years

>>60073160
cemu

>>60071488
HEIL

>>60073169
>Highly experimental software to emulate Wii U applications on PC
>Highly experimental
right

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Running OpenBSD on my laptop, using wifi scripts like pic related for each network. I like it but I move around campus a lot throughout the day and running my scripts each time is getting a little annoying. It's what I gotta do with the WPA Enterprise network on campus. The annoying part is making a new script for each new place I go to. Anyone here run OpenBSD on their laptop? Do you
>>60071247
>>60071081
or others
have a better way?

>>60068704
>Why aren't you using it anon?
I don't need a server.
>>60073169
>cemu
Devs can't port it, but you can, alright.

>>60073182
not only it works extremely well in practice and near perfectly with many games, but it's accelerating at a great pace, meaning that yours statement will probably be obsolete in a few months. Which is not to say that
>also PS2 is probably the only console you can "reliably" emulate that was also made in the past 20 years
isn't technically correct, but in means that in practice that is going to change very very soon anyway

>>60071113
not sure why it's not targeted more, 'cause it's popular among web servers and now the wild wild west of iot devices. probably just laziness.

>>60073233
you would need to find a way to write a script that could detect if another network is within reach and automatically connect to it

there must be a way

>>60072916
>proud of supporting sony
how can people be retarded this much??
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3147311/security/backdoor-accounts-found-in-80-sony-ip-security-camera-models.html

>>60073277
I think there is something like that already that I saw on daemonforums, but it was only for wifi networks or something. I'll work it out but was hoping there was an existing solution. Besides this, I love OpenBSD. Need to update to 6.1 soon

>>60068704
> Apple uses your components in their proprietary Mac OS
Nope, it doesn't.

>>60073319
oh so you mean an easy way to swap between wi-fi and ethernet? i think you could create a bridged connection for that

>>60073336
>but it was only for wifi networks or something
Whoops I meant it was only for open wifi networks, I'm zonked. I will follow a different procedure with WPA enterprise, since I have the username and password stored in a wpa_supplicant config file.

>>60073317
Leaked documents showed that there is literally a backdoor in the CPU of every computer on the planet and you're whining about this?

>>60071433
Nobody is saying that, you fucking nigger-monkey.

In fact, you're agreeing with his point - that you do not have the freedom to dictate what others do with their copies, and you do not have the freedom to restrict others' freedoms.

>>60073400
>some people want to enslave you
>what should I do?
>of course I need to help them?
typical bsdcuck

>>60073434
yes it's the fault of BSD devs that sony puts backdoors in their IP cameras

>>60073449
It's the fault of bsd devs that sony used bsd fork PS4. Sony should die and bsd devs help it.

>>60073469
learn how to fucking write

>>60073427
>Nobody is saying that
gnutards are saying that

>>60073233
Use Linux. You're not doing anything on bsd that can't do on Linux

>>60073489
Yes you are. You're not using a shitty OS. You can't do that on Linux.

>>60073489
and people say that redhat doesn't hire shills

>>60073489
It's fun learning about different systems, that's why I'm using it :)

>>60073478
learn how not to be a cuck and how not to do bad things

>>60073526
>shits in a street
>calls me a cuck
ok

>>60073515
OpenIndiana. One of the best OS's out there atm. Unfortunately like no one uses it and way too much software won't compile on it due to linuxisms (which typically would still work on BSD).

dwm compiles on BSD right?

>>60073534
>>shits in a street
wrong, try better

>being explained in details why he is wrong
>YOU'RE A PAJEET, REEEEE

>>60073568
well of course

it was written to be as simple as possible

>>60073578
>>being explained in details why he is wrong
wrong, try better[sic]

>>60073160
>>could probably run but i don't feel like porting it

>>60073587
>bsdcuck in denial

>>60073599
>denial
there he goes again

>>60073587
Well, let's imply that you are right. Can you explain why supporting corporations is good? I can't get it. Honestly, I've really tried to understand bsd fanboys but I didn't manage to.

>>60073634
>muh corporations
better throw away your computer then

honestly freetards are dumb little edgelords who don't seem to understand how the real world works

>>60073651
>who don't seem to understand how the real world works
arguments needed

It seems to me that you are the one that doesn't understand this. Obviously one of us is wrong, so can you explain your opinion or just shitposting?

>>60073689
did you build a TTL computer? who do you think built your computer?

anyway, IP cameras containing a backdoor is not the fucking fault of BSD devs

>>60073724
>did you build a TTL computer?
no
>who do you think built your computer?
The corporations.
I still can't get what you are trying to tell me. Probably you are wrong in some conclusion that seems obvious to you, that you haven't stated.

>IP cameras containing a backdoor is not the fucking fault of BSD devs
The fault of bsd devs is not a backdoor, but helping the corporation that obviously does very bad things.

>>60073781
what i'm saying is that you're a fucking idiot since you're supporting "the corporashuns" too
>The fault of bsd devs is not a backdoor, but helping the corporation that obviously does very bad things.
they literally did not help sony, all they did was put something out there and let anyone use it

you're implying this could NEVER happen if they used linux

>>60073724
Not the anon you are responding to.
To what capacity do you use BSD systems? Why do you use them over Linux?

>>60073809
because i prefer them, that's why

i know this is difficult to understand for the average /g/ idiot but people have differing tastes

>>60073834
I prefer them too. I use OpenBSD and prefer its simple configuration and init system, and good documentation. I like how easy it is to install. I just use it as my development computer. I wanted to know to what capacity you use BSD. It seems like on /g/ most people just shit up these threads talking about the BSD license but I wanted to know how people actually use them. Most places online people just use FreeBSD for file servers and OpenBSD for routers. I hoped there are other people out there who actually use it on the desktop...

>>60069625
Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.
Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer from start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

>>60073859
Also as a follow up I'm insecure about my decisions and want to know if other people are like me

>>60073859
i mean i like openbsd for pretty much the reasons you listed

the base system approach makes a lot more sense

>>60072916
Ironically Yellow dewg linux was the only OS that can be called desktop system and ran on ps3, not freebsd.

>>60073879
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read.

I know it's not serious, but... wow. That was ridiculously retarded.

>>60073796
>what i'm saying is that you're a fucking idiot since you're supporting "the corporashuns" too
Stopping corporations is not the most important goal in my life and if I stop using computers at all, I'll not reach other ones.


>they literally did not help sony, all they did was put something out there and let anyone use it

>be bsdfag
>being told for a lot of times that your "putting something out there and letting anyone use it" helps people who have bad intensions
>OH THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BAD, THEY JUST "put something out there and let anyone use it" AND SONY JUST USED IT TO MAKE PS4, EARN TONS OF MONEY, DOMINATE THE MARKET AND INSERT BACKDOORS IN THEIR CAMERAS, IT'S NOT BSD DEV'S FAULT!


>you're implying this could NEVER happen if they used linux
If they used linux, ps4 would not be locked down, and they would earn much less money.
Also bsd devs are the ones to blame that we have to jailbreak consoles instead of just replacing OS

>>60073986
yes exactly, it's not their fault

they put something out there and people, good or bad, use them

are we done?

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>>60069784
The usual freebsd agenda.

>>60073999
>they put something out there and people, good or bad, use them
but using gpl helps only good people, is it so hard to understand?

>are we done?
what about this?
>Also bsd devs are the ones to blame that we have to jailbreak consoles instead of just replacing OS

>>60074051
>Also bsd devs are the ones to blame that we have to jailbreak consoles instead of just replacing OS
nope, blame the corporashuns

>>60074069
If you leave the gun in cage with monkey and this monkey kills someone, it can't be blamed. You are the one to blame.

>>60074105
Not him but the BSD license doesn't just exist to help corporations, anyone can make a product with it. Some good businesses are able to profit from it, like pfsense and freeNAS though I'm not super knowledgeable about it. Thus, your analogy doesn't apply. It's more like you make guns freely available and because a monkey gets it and kills someone, guns shouldn't be freely available. Now, there are limitations to this analogy as well because there are other arguments with guns in America but I'm trying to work within your framework. I think that makes sense

>>60074157
>Some good businesses are able to profit from it, like pfsense and freeNAS
They could as well use gpl. So good businesses can use both gpl and bsd and bad businesses can use only bsd? Why license your work with bsd then?

>Though I'm not super knowledgeable about it
Me too, but It seems to me that there's no such case when good business can't use gpl. If you provide such example I can agree that bsd is not so harmful to free software community.

>Thus, your analogy doesn't apply. It's more like you make guns freely available and because a monkey gets it and kills someone, guns shouldn't be freely available.
Just imagine that bsd is regular gun and gpl is a magic gun that can be used only with good intensions

A lot of bsd is better than gnu. Netcat for example can send broadcasts.

>>60074313
>Netcat for example can send broadcasts.
What does this mean? Like mdk3-style fake wifi hotspots?

>>60074493
I retract my statement about fake wifi since that's not close to what netcat would ever do but still want to know what you mean

>>60074493
The broadcast address is a special address in the subnet like 192.168.1.255. Sending to the broadcast address sends it to everyone in the subnet.
This is useful if you want to find a host for a certain service in your network etc

>>60068704
>it needs linux apps to be usable

>license squabbling
Have we been raided by /fglt/?

>>60074677
No, it happens every bsd thread

>>60068704
Why FreeBSD over OpenBSD for security & servers?
Why FreeBSD over TrueOS for desktop?

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>when you're cucked by apple
>for free

>>60074051
using gpl HARMS good people.

>>60073986
>Also bsd devs are the ones to blame that we have to jailbreak consoles instead of just replacing OS
nah if they weren't using bsd they would just write their own

>>60075104
this

at least write something once and try to make it good so people don't write their own shitty versions of everything

every single bsd thread devolves into toxic linux users having a meltdown.

>>60073986
>Also bsd devs are the ones to blame that we have to jailbreak consoles instead of just replacing OS
You stupid bitch. You stupid fucking bitch. I can't believe how dumb you are.

>>60075242
Do you think your autistic screeching means anything?
articulate your stupid backward understanding of this topic if you think you know better

he's right

>>60075401
See this lil argument >>60075104

That's literally the first thing you would do if you had no choice of code with a license suitable for your needs. How can you not think of it is a fucking mystery.

>>60075132
BSD faggots can't handle banter.

>>60075448
>j-just epic bantz bro
sick dude

>>60072916
PS3 isn't bsd, they only borrow some components. Same with the other systems except PS4.

>>60073538
What's so great about it? I tried it (equivalent) back before Sun got Oracled, and didn't find it particularly compelling. Granted it's been quite a while, and that was right at the beginning of the open sourcening.

>>60075068
how?


>>60075104
That's ok, I'd like to see how every company that wants to sell non-free software / hardware to writes their own OS from scratch, meanwhile people who are interested in creating something nice more than in earning money will use community achievements.

>>60075441
the only reason you think of it is because you're a basement dweller. Out in the real world, people don't just write shit for fun. It's expensive to have to build your own entire fucking operating system. There's a reason nobody does that. That means the two main choices for a company building a product that runs an OS are one of the BSDs or Linux.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that if they use Linux, they are bound by the beautiful GPL and therefore wouldn't be able to create a bunch of spyware because they'd have to distribute the source code, so users would see it and disable it immediately. In other words, companies are forced to behave ethically.

Obviously you don't see the value in ethical behaviour, nor do you see the value of avoiding spyware, nor do you see the value of allowing users to tinker with software that runs on their own fucking machines that they paid for with their own money. So that's why you support the BSDs, which give these companies a way to ignore all those GPL terms that are great for the user, and instead shit all over you constantly.

>>60075441
>That's literally the first thing you would do if you had no choice of code with a license suitable for your needs.
If they care about earning much money, they'll just switch to something easier (like selling food or similar shit) instead of writing their own OS and fixing bugs in it for decades.

>>60075581
BSD OS =/= BSD License.

The GPL is an objectively better license in many cases. If you don't like the BSD license, don't use it.

this is not hard.

>>60075613
But the BSD OSes are released under the BSD licenses. Supporting FreeBSD is supporting the FreeBSD license.

If you use FreeBSD, you make it more popular, which makes developers work more on improving it, which is just doing free work for Sony and Apple and other undesirables.

If you support Linux you laugh in these companies' faces and teach them that freedom is actually important to users.

>>60075613
Using BSD OS == contributing to BSD OS (if you at least report bugs) == helping corporations

>>60075581
>It's expensive to have to build your own entire fucking operating system.
good thing most of it was built by computer scientists in the 70's and people kept improving it huh

>>60075667
Yeah the entire hard work was done on research money at UC Berkeley and developers have been adding to it for fun ever since.

Sony is not going to create their own fucking operating system just for a stupid console. It's a huge overhead for no benefit. If BSD wasn't there or had a copyleft license, they'd have to release their source code and shit wouldn't be as locked down

>>60075642
>>60075647
I don't have a problem with this, since I'm not a communist.

>>60075647
I guess you never heard of RedHat.

>>60075713
me too, but capitalism that we experience now is in it's extreme form

>>60075713
>wanting to know what code is running on the machine that I paid for makes me a communist

man these companies really have you in the palms of their hands

>>60075729
exactly. I'm not a fan of raw capitalism by any means, but people have to make money and I don't have a problem with them recycling FREE components of software to do so.

>>60075733

No. I use freeBSD so I know what code runs on my machine. I don't use linux because I don't care where else that code runs. If Apple/Sony uses it, great for them!

>>60070294
Oh honey bun....sorry but just no

>>60075758
FreeBSD has a shitload of binary blobs actually, so no, you don't.

Does it not bother you that you work for free by building userbase for an OS and having people develop for it only to get zero recognition when companies like Apple can just copy paste it into their products, give you zero recognition, and make literally hundreds of billions of dollars?

>>60071404
>freedom is merely political
Freedom is an ontological issue, you ignoramus.

It is of utmost importance.

>>60075728
red hat does not violate anyone's freedom for profit

>>60068704
>Why aren't you using [FreeBSD] anon?
Because it doesn't have SystemD!

>>60075797
I personally release my software under GPL. For work I use my company's proprietary license.

>>60075802
you have got to be fucking with me

are you the same guy who called the GPL "beautiful"

you're an embarrassment

>>60075797
It's funny that you say this when there are companies making billions off of Linux as well. Your average consumer does not care what is running the device, just as long as it works.

>>60075804
Neither does any company that uses BSD, you are a loony toon if you think you have the right to see everything that someone else makes. It's their freedom to deny you.

>>60075804
this.
redhat is actually one of the best things that ever happened to GNU/Linux

>>60075797
>freetards need their OS to have "recognition" to feel validated

>>60075827
>Neither does any company that uses BSD

what about sony?
>>60072916
>>60073317

or apple?

I'm currently trying to set freebsd up for the first time for a simple web server. Anything specific I should do differently from a standard linux box? Is fail2ban much by the freebsd community? Will apache be jailed/chrooted by default or is that something I will need to do?

>>60075827
>you have the right to see everything that someone else makes. It's their freedom to deny you.
People should be encouraged to do science, technology or art, not restricted and forced to pay money for that. Because of "them" humanity is stuck in such animalistic state.

>>60075827
>you are a loony toon if you think you have the right to see everything that someone else makes. It's their freedom to deny you
No, actually you're wrong on every single level.
Someone else is a loony toon if they think they have the right to run code on a machine that does not belong to them without telling the owner exactly what that code is and what it does.

Go fuck yourself for needing this clarification

>>60075980
then you better stop using intel and even amd processors

>>60076001
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
Get the fuck off my board :^)

>>60076043
>intel releases a new processor and this suddenly stops working
great plan

>>60075705
>implying the GNU operating system didn't start off as a shitty BSD knockoff anyway

>>60070277
Libre software should be software that the user is free to modify, distribute, and use in anyway they see fit correct?

Good freedom allowing licences should allow me to make changes and bring them to the main branch, if i so choose.

Good freedom allowing licences should allow me to integrate any library in to any endpoint, even if it means i must static link due to constraints on the system.

Good Freedom allowing licences should allow me to do as i please as the term freedom implies.

It's not a purely free licence. it's very close. but it's not purely freedom, and it's a joke to call it a free licence as it's excessively constricting.... but i guess communism only works in an authoritarian state, so the GPL should be no exception.

The GPL even holds good free software back, as is the case with SDL (1, 2 switched to BSD) and Blender (which can't use non-free blobs or integrations negatively impacting professionally made extensions)

If you want to see good free software licences, please refer to Public Domain, WTFPL, BSD2, and while one can argue Zlib, it's probably my favorite as it's like "Do what you want, but if you change it, you MUST let people know you changed it"

If you are to believe that FOSS communities are rays of sunshines and rainbows - then you should fear not that they will return their code to your branch in the name of the project, i'm sure many would actively do this for linux and many others should they not get raped by the GPL...

>>60068704
OpenBSD > Dragonfly > NetBSD >>>>>>> FreeBSD

>>60075642
I actually work on FreeBSD not because of the BSD license or anything of sort. I think the GPL is a fine license and everyone should be able to pick how they license their software(although I prefer public domain if at all possible). The reason I work on FreeBSD and not on Linux is because the FreeBSD code is far better structured and maintainable. It lets me do my research through a solid system that isn't packed with half-assed code. I have nothing against Linux(and have in fact originally developed on it), but it's objectively worse for OS research. The prime examples are epoll and inotify when compared to kqueue, DTrace when compared to bpf/bcc, and the list goes on. I'll happily argue these points more should you be interested.

>>60073879
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Get the absolute FUCK off of /g/.
This is either the greatest bait of all time, or the most massive dumbass anyone has ever seen.

>>60075797
No, it really doesn't. It has little bits of microcode that run in peripheral devices(also known as microcode). The alternative to this is the device shipping with it on the device itself or having it outright not working. The former is more expensive. Furthermore, it's in fact Linux that makes it dead simple and often ships with proprietary drivers in various distros, so why don't you stop shitting where you eat first before lecturing anyone else, and unfounded as well I might add.

>>60069479
toptimus keks.

Go and check the vulnerability index. And tell us later about "muh vulnerabilities".

>>60078920
Lol OpenBSD. If you're shitposting, try and do it convincingly at least

>>60068704
it's not openbsd.

>>60068704
>Why aren't you using it anon?
Well, I got used to systemd and I am suffering from baby duck syndrome.

Also, visual studio code or sublime --do they work well?

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>>60075825
>I hate freedom

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>>60073122
That's great Anon! You still fap to hieroglyphics?

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>>60073122
https://www.freebsd.org/ports/emulators.html

>>60068704
Which BSD should I try for my touchscreen netbook? It's slow as fuck and I'd like a comfy shitposting machine.

>>60081200
FreeBSD + XFCE is incredibly comfy but make sure your wifi hardware is supported. If you want a network manager like nm-applet in linux I'd give https://github.com/GhostBSD/networkmgr a look.

For the touchscreen, you shouldbe able to enable it without too much difficulty, but I can't help you there since I've never done it.

>>60081254
Thank you for the advice kind anon, will try soon.

>>60081320
Also pkg syntax is almost identical to apt if you've ever used Debian or the like.

>>60081457
Aaah yes Debian is my daily driver, thanks

How well does bsd work on modern hardware? GTX 1060 especially.

>>60081544
Performance wise, it's on-par with if not better than linux.

There are no games except emulators though.

>>60081562
I don't care much for games, just want acceleration for websites and such.

>>60081585
That should be fine. Just check to see if drivers are available and load them at boot. It's all in the documentation.

>>60068704
Does any BSD support the RX 400 series of AMD GPUs?

>>60068704
FreeBSD is less secure than Linux
Use OpenBSD if you want security

>>60068704
i find it hard to install especially free bsd

>>60084409
You're dumb af, m8.

>>60084457
>why does no one use bsd?
>oh, right, we're a bunch of assholes

>>60083954
>unargumented copypastas continuously reiterated from random people while failing to realize why OpenBSD is never used on systems that require actual security

You stay smart anon.

I tried BSD.
Won't try it again.

>>60085211
>having that attitude

w-we don't want you anyway!

>>60073400
don't forget the extra CPU that handles backdoor requests... what was it called? UEFI

>>60085360
>not using an old thinkpad (from before ME and UEFI) with libre/coreboot

>>60068704
didn't these berkley cocksuckers mix work with politics? and fired someone for not supporting their pedophile, warmongering, neocon, devil worshiping leader?
doesn't sound like a community I want to be a part of desu

>>60069479
Came to post this.

Sorry but they simply don't take security seriously. It's still admirable that such a small community develops it, and it's overall more polished than the Linux ecosystem, though the end user experience is usually worse because of the lack of support.

If you want BSD, use OpenBSD.

>>60080998
name me one game that came out recently that's actually good

>>60081160
the post was obviously sarcasm

>>60085669
>ancient filesystem
>no SMP
>ridiculously bad performance

>claim security
>no fine grained access control
>no secure run time auditing
>the only available "sandboxes" are chroot and pledge
>pledge is a syscall wrapper, which has proven to be insecure and pretty pointless outside of non strict verification of what the process is doing

Anon, why would you recommend that crap to anyone?

>>60086275
FUD: The Post

You're about as informed as the aboutthebsds troll blog.

>>60086354
>implying he isn't that exact person

>>60086354
So I take it you will have no problems providing sources that disprove those claims.

Or is it going to be the "s-shut up, I don't have to prove anything to you" song and dance again?

what *BSD should I try anons?
completely new btw

>>60086495
OpenBSD, the only decent OS in existence until someone rewrites Plan 9 in Rust. I'm not kidding btw.

>>60086275

>ancient filesystem
As opposed to a "new" one like BTRFS? Do you have a problem with EXT4 too? A filesystem that's stood the test of time is a good thing in my book.

>no SMP
$ sysctl hw.ncpu
hw.ncpu=4
Userland SMP has been good in OpenBSD for years. Kernel SMP is improving rapidly with each release.

>ridiculously bad performance
It's as fast as Linux or FreeBSD in all of my usage. Even with a locked network stack, you can still push ten gigabits on reasonably modern hardware. I get 500MB/s on my SSD. Is that bad?

>claim security
>no fine grained access control
This is intentional, check the mailing list archives. MAC is not a secure solution. Everyone just disables it like SELinux.

>the only available "sandboxes" are chroot and pledge
There's really no need for chroot with pledge to be honest.

>pledge is a syscall wrapper, which has proven to be insecure and pretty pointless outside of non strict verification of what the process is doing
All talk and no show. Email some example code that breaks a pledge to one of the public lists for me.

So all in all just a poorly thought out troll attempt. Are you an angry Linux user?

>>60086502
seems overly complicated
looking at ghostbsd and trueos

>>60069312
Honestly. They are getting triple penetrated 9 ways till sunday by Apple Nintendo and Sony
>>60069373
>>60075024

>>60073233
Use this anon https://github.com/devious/wiconfig

>>60086511
Compare the OpenBSD fs to ZFS. I rest my case there with filesystems.

For SMP, you know damn well what I'm talking about. The performance isn't measured on a low end desktop doing nothing, it's measured at large scale.

I know that lack of MAC and auditing is intentional, that doesn't mean it's a good idea, however. Fine grained control is a good thing, and if you disable it, that's your problem. I don't.

For syscall wrapper vulnerabilities, if you can think for yourself instead of reiterate what you've been told, read the paper: Exploiting concurrency vulnerabilities in system call wrappers, and you'll realize that not only pledge is affected, it's the perfect theoretical description of attacks that have been shown even before pledge was made, and the prime reason capsicum was designed the way it was.

Please for the love of god, read up on formal verification of systems and existing security mechanisms, as well as concepts and ideas behind them, with their known problems before you open your mouth about security.

>>60086511
>All talk and no show. Email some example code that breaks a pledge to one of the public lists for me.
he's totally gonna show you that one time someone used exec to break out of pledge
>hey guys i'm gonna write an application and pledge it but i'll also intentionally break out of it with exec
know what you're fucking calling

>>60075768
> he doesn't know what X11 is...

>>60086594
>Compare the OpenBSD fs to ZFS. I rest my case there with filesystems.
yes everyone needs a datacenter file system that fucks up if you don't have the right type of RAM

>>60086613
Again showing your ignorance and ignoring the latter points.

OpenZFS won't corrupt your data because you'd need to hit the same memory location twice when writing to disk. The probability of that happening is smaller than it is to write a corrupt file to disk. The reason ECC RAM is preferred because as you said, it's used in serious applications, something OpenBSD can only dream of with the current model.

>>60086598
Read again.

>>60069384
>>60069513
https://www.vusec.net/projects/anc/

>>60069479
Yeah, it's a nice ~10 step guide for hardening FreeBSD.

>>60070356
Facebook hired an engineer to improve Linux beyond 10Gbps performance for their datacenters, but there has yet to be a single patch forthcoming from that work.
Meanwhile Netflix, DARPA, Intel, Mellanox, and Chelsio sponsor code to the FreeBSD netstack improving it beyond the already +90Gbps / NIC it's capable of doing.

>>60071143
>>60071234
TrueOS merges the drm-next branch that's being worked on for integration into HEAD at some future point, and which has everything up-to-and-including Kaby Lake graphics cards.
Once AMD produces a production-stable driver, FreeBSD will most likely integrate it, but last time AMD promised to make such a driver, they did fuck-all.

>>60071430
FreeBSDs kernel takes up 96MB space3, so that's the absolute minimum amount of RAM it'll take to run.

>>60075863
Your entire argument is predicated on the opinion, that copyleft licenses are better than MIT/BSD/Apache-like licenses, which none of the BSD commiters or users share, Since you're not contributing code to the OS' in question, your opinion is not sought.

>>60073538
Linuxisms get you in just as much trouble on the BSDs as they do on OpenIndiana or any other Unix-like that isn't Linux.

>>60074270

>>60074702
Not the guy you answered, but every BSD thread gets raided by /fglt/ because they're know that FSF, GPLv3 and GNU are the laughing stock of licenses now, and they're afraid of what Linux become because RedHat (in/af)fects every single Linux distribution used by anyone but ricers or the creator and his friends.

>>60086594
>OpenBSD fs
You mean UFS, the same filesystem that's still in FreeBSD?

>>60086770
The reason why ZFS expects ECC memory is because it provides no facilities for guarding against flipped bits which are much more common in DRAM than most people expect. See: End-to-end Data Integrity for File Systems: A ZFS Case Study & DRAM Errors in the Wild: A Large-Scale Field Study.

>>60086880
If you care about your data and your OS does some kind of file caching in memory (all modern OS' do this), you should use ECC.

>>60086880
And by expects, I mean that it was built with the assumption that you're going to use ECC, because it will happily use all your memory to keep as much data as possible in the ARC, up to the size of your dataset.

>>60069057
This is optimality. Carry on, anon.

>>60086840
And the known FreeBSD shill makes his appearance, even dawning the tripcode. How cute.

>https://www.vusec.net/projects/anc/
Is this really how FreeBSD people defend having next to no exploit mitigations now? NO ONE is saying that ASLR alone is a good protection. It's one layer of many, and specifically a layer that depends on other mitigations like PIE. FreeBSD has none of them! ASLR is just the first step. It's frankly embarrassing that it isn't present in every "modern" OS in 2017.

I know,

>freebsd
>modern

But still.

>Yeah, it's a nice ~10 step guide for hardening FreeBSD.
But the page specifically says it's not a hardening guide...? Should such a "guide" even be needed? What about all the users who just install and use FreeBSD? They're left out in the cold. The concept of sane defaults is entirely lost on the FreeBSD development team. That page is an ugly bandaid that shouldn't be needed.

>FreeBSD netstack improving it beyond the already +90Gbps / NIC it's capable of doing.
"But muh performance" is not an excuse for running an OS with more holes than swiss cheese. Is that all you care about? Aside from some VERY niche company usage, the network performance is meaningless. I love when FreeBSD users dickwag about packet speeds.

As one BSD user to another: you are not helping promote BSD with posts like this that get torn up by reality.

>>60086840
>You mean UFS, the same filesystem that's still in FreeBSD?
also the one that inspired the entire ext family i believe

>>60086502
>rewrites Plan9 in Rust
Quite appropriate for a bsdfag to completely miss the point of Plan9 and suggest a rewrite in a language that's the complete antithesis of the ideas behind it.

>>60087065
UFS1 as written by Kirk McKusick inspired EXT2 but it diverged a lot in future revisions.

>>60087168
I've been meaning to look into plan9, but just haven't been able to find the time. There's a lot of interesting things about it.

>>60087229
Get 9front from the people behind cat-v, suckless, ...
It's patched and also supports more hardware, while preserving the original Plan9 feel.

>>60070755
Yeah it does, Pajeet.
Stop posting any time.

>>60087011
>ASLR is not effective alone
>PIE is

You're fucking retarded.

>>60087168
>a language that's the complete antithesis of the ideas behind it
Mind explaining further?

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>>60087437
>people behind cat-v, suckless, ...
I like dwm, but they are utter idiots with their shitty projects and nihilism.

>>60069312
(((Linux))) is not true freedom.

>>60087881
((((((Linux))) is not true freedom.)))

>>60087907
Nice try (((stallman))), you can't enslave me with your (((ideology)))

Should help hardenedBSD, it's FreeBSD but with modern mitigations.
It just need more devs and testing because building those mitigations is time consuming.
https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison
It also has LibreSSL.

Which is more usable as a desktop OS? FreeBSD or OpenBSD? In terms of usability, security and software availability.

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>>60088386
>Which is more usable as a desktop OS? FreeBSD or OpenBSD?
neither, just like any gnu/linux system in the current year.

>>60071433
>>60073487
You lose something if someone takes your favourite "open-source" software, makes it closed source, improves it, gains a larger user-base than the original software, then makes it incompatible with the original software.

>>60088606
No, you didn't lose shit retard. Unless you consider retarded fangirls possessions. YOU DIDNT LOSE SHIT YOU DUMB TARD YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME SOFTWARE AS BEFORE

>>60088696
You're a fucking dumbass, the point is that it is harder for outsiders to take advantage of a GNU licensed software (in a negative way) than it is for them to take advantage of a BSD licensed software. Thus a GNU software economy is more likely to serve the users and the creators than a BSD software economy, so the GPL is more practical. I'm not saying that the BSD license is immoral or anything, just that it's impractical.

>>60088696
Oh, I've re-read my original post, and now I see I said you "lose" something. I didn't mean that it's like having something literally stolen from you, just that you are worse off in the end, thus you "lose" something, even if it's not something tangible.

>>60088760
nice theory but not what happened in reality, look at the clusterfuck that is linux vs the functional and elegant bsd

https://youtu.be/cofKxtIO3Is?t=1h2m35s

well?

>>60086610
oh gosh sweetie you're so cute....but honey...you really need to understand that X11 is not a reasonable exploit vector. It's largely only an issue after you are owned.

>>60087775
Fuck off, who gives a shit about their attitudes towards life, just use the software.

>>60073489
Use MacOS, there is nothing you can do on Linux that you can't do on MacOS

>>60088891
>convincing a biased lintard to use something else
why should i watch this?

>>60088891
I think that particular point is flawed in the sense that both parties think IoT is a shit idea in the first place. Obviously in a world where you are forced to own IoT technology you'd want the devices to be running Linux, but in reality only retards buy IoT devices and retards don't care to know what software their kitchen faucet is running in the first place.

BSD is clearly worse for IoT for the end user, but any end user that buys IoT in the first place is not going to give a shit about what software their devices are running, because they are clearly retarded given they bought into the horrible IoT meme in the first place and probably couldn't understand the licenses let alone the software.

The real solution to the IoT problem is to not buy IoT shit. It's like asking what manufacturer you'd prefer to produce the trains shipping Jews to Auschwitz, you're ignoring the big problem which is the fact that Auschwitz exists in the first place.

Yes I am comparing IoT to the holocaust. IoT is probably the worst thing to happen to mankind since.

>>60092089
> holocaust
> bad

What?

>>60071472
You mean license.

The shilling is hard.

>>60079924
Not him but I'm interested, although I know shit about development that may be interesting.

Can you please develop more?

>>60089794
The freeBSD guy is more biased than Trump towards his family. Also ugly as fuck. Gross.

>>60092089
>implying there was a jew holocaust
>muh 6 brazillion
gtfo reddit

>>60092089
Normies will buy IoT regardless

>>60068704
It requires to build every package from source and while it provides all the tools for it, that 'security' philosophy really holds it back. inb4 pkg install: nope, it's very basic and many things are not presented there.
Second thing is, packages aren't maintained as good as in Linux, post-install scripts are very basic to the point of non-existence. That leads us to a config mess, when it's your business to create 'included' config files and folders, the system will not provide them to you.
In the end, it will work, but if you're a novice, it will become an unmaintainable mess pretty fast.

>>60068704
>Why aren't you using it anon?
Too complicated to install. Is there a way to dualboot OpenBSD in an encrypted partition with Windows in the other, and OpenBSD's bootloader on a USB stick?

>>60095372
>It requires to build every package from source
lol no

>>60095372
Welcome to computers, building every package from source happens somewhere i'd rather do it myself than letting someone else build it.
oh yea another great thing is that you can change things much easier than being stuck with binary packages.

>>60095372
Building everything from source is probably the best method of package management though, it should be the standard.

Poudriere with ccache and tmpfs are nice, but I really wish I could have distcc support too. There's a feature request, but it's yet to be merged.

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>mfw my shitpost from 2 1/2 days ago is still going strong

>>60100122
>>still going strong
Just like FreeBSD!

>>60100122
Good job, you did well. We all applaud your "trolling".

>>60095388
Just use a vm

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>>60069682
>OpenBSD
~ $ gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719
Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

I'm looking into switching to OpenBSD on my laptop, but I'm confused about package updates.
Are binaries really only updated per release (~6 months)?

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Why are GNU/NEETs so autistic?

today i learned that freebsd's bootloader was actually programmed in forth

must be a bitch to maintain
>>60103388
this used to be the case but i think with the advent of syspatch that may change. if you wanted bug fixes and such i think you HAD to go for ports

>>60069312
>>60070071
>>60070277
>>60071433
>>60073427
>>60073487
>>60088606
>>60088696
>>60088760
>>60088801

You niggers ruin fucking every thread with the same pre-written exchange. Fucking neck yourselves.

>>60103388
-CURRENT

>FreeBSD
>ZFS
>Oracles discarded trash
>Oracle keeps the good stuff for themselves

>>60104189
>>60106548
Got it. After rereading the FAQ (specifically https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches) I got it cleared up.
Seems like syspatch currently only applies security updates to the base system, so -current seems like the best way to keep third party packages patched.

Current it is, then