Ryzen 1700 efficiency

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as for now, i was able to lower the vcore of my ryzen 7 1700 from stock vcore 1.1875 to 1.0 and it actually saved me about 23 watts

going anything lower, makes the cpu a bit inconsistent in keeping the clockspeed stable

So anyone break 4ghz? Anyone not able to hit 4ghz?

Honestly thinking of going kabylake for this reason.
25% more clock on top of the ipc advantage makes it too appealing to jump on muhh coars. At least for my usage case.

>>60055472
You wont regret buying ryzen unless you use a 144hz monitor and you need all the FPS, but if you go intel just don't get anything lower than the 6700k.

>>60055472
i only use the wraith spire cooler so i'm not able to test this out

>>60055680
i own the 1700 and a 144hz monitor..

i much prefer smoother consistent frames with lesser max fps over the microstutter gibberish which is happening on intels current offering in some games

>>60055472
>Honestly thinking of going kabylake for this reason.
Why?
>At least for my usage case.
Just what do you use your computer for that requires +4.5GHz? Please don't answer gaming otherwise you're going to look really stupid

>>60055758
>that requires 4.5ghz+
That's not how computers work retard.
>>60055680
7700k, only cause retarded Canadian exchange rate.
Also 144fps gaming is a meme.

hello sir
yes ryzen 1700 very good but 1800x better sir buy amd please thank

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>>60056586

>>60056560
>That's not how computers work retard.
what?
you should take a rest anon

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>>60055273
What happened to the AI prediction network and the extended overclock stuff? Or was it all just a joke?

>>60055472
my 1700 only does 3,75 ghz at 1,375v
The JUST OVERCLOCK TO 4GHZ is not really given.

Now to be fair i have a shitty asus budget board as there are no good matx board out yet.

>>60057436
>AI
probably just a Perceptron

>XFR
It's there and does what it's supposed to do. Ryzen just hits a voltage wall.

>>60057436
>AI prediction network
it's there and it works, and has been measured already.
If you start a cpu benchmark then do it a few more times (5 - 6) you'll see an improvement with each more try

>>60057436
>>60057566
>>60058007
can confirm. ryzen is pretty magical compared to intel offerings

>>60057489
it most likely is your boards limitation yeah.

my b350m gaming pro is even worse as it can't sustain a 3,7ghz overclock over a long period of time, even if it is supposed to work with a ryzen 1800X seemlessly, maybe bios updates will fix this

>>60058091
but any other than that, i don't really need an overclock. 3,2ghz is the sweetspot of zen at 1.0 on the vcore

>>60055472
>ipc advantage
Ryzen has the IPC advantage, kaby lake has a clock advantage that gives them the slight speed advantage at the cost of huge power spikes, and possibly requiring a delid to keep your temps manageable.

>>60055472
I'm running mine right now at 3999mhz :)

http://valid.x86.fr/top-cpu/414d442052797a656e203720313730302045696768742d436f72652050726f636573736f72

im on there

>>60058007
How long does the effect linger?

>>60055472
Neither CPU is going to bottleneck games unless you're playing at 720p. Ryzen gets better frame times, even if the average framerate it is capable of producing in CPU bound scenarios is a bit lower. I would go with Ryzen if you don't want to deal with stutter.

>>60055472
>>60055333
>>60055680
I bought the 1700x. will I regret not just getting the cheaper 1700?

>>60060219
yes, the price is not worth the very slightly higher clockspeed it can reach

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>>60058007

>>60060246
Nvidia tier graph.

>>60060228
Fuck, can't cancel it at this point

I figured since I don't need the wraith cooler that comes with the 1700, it must be worth it to pay extra for the X

I hope it's at least more overclockable

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>>60060564
those are the best

>>60060246
So does it keep climbing with every run, where would it eventually top out at?
Do the gains disappear when you close the application, run something else for a moment, then come back to the benchmark run?

>>60060246
So if they installed a cellular/wireless modem in the chip where it can consolidate all the neural data from all chips, wouldn't it be much faster? the only price you have to pay is for max botnet.

>>60060628
stop being a fag the X series chips are better binned and will oc better than 1700

>>60060759
How much better?

>>60055333
Does it pass extended runs of OCCT CPU or Linkack at that voltage?

I bought Ryzen 7 and so far I'm loving it. Got my Ryzen 7 1700 OC to 4 Ghz at 1.425 volts.

I do recommend if you get the Ryzen 7 chip to work on your overclocks and get something stable and then move those settings over to Pstate OC with a voltage offset. I did that and now my 1700 idles at 1500 MHz in cpu-z and at 22-26 C according to Ryzen Master. But it can ramp up the clock to 4000 MHz when it needs to.

>>60057436
XFR does its job, its just ryzen hits a voltage wall and its stock clocks are pretty much as high as it can go, it'll be interesting to see how much of an impact itll have on future generations.

>>60060774
1 megahurtz on average

considering getting one a 1700 and running it in with my cryorig r1 ultimate with no fans
anyone have any info on underclocking/undervolting and the temperatures? airflow is real good in my case so i think i could get away with it even at stock

>>60060728
of course. since there's zero latency and infinite space for storing history I'm surprised they haven't done that yet.

>>60060691
there's no limit. branch prediction is 95% of the silicon on a modern processor. some decently long running Ryzens have already gotten quadruple that score by just looping through CB forever.
since branch history is kept forever we're gonna see self-aware Ryzen AIs this or next year, I predict.

>>60060885
Why would you go with no fans? Passive is a fucking meme. You can get far better cooling just running a fan at 600rpm which would be completely inaudible with any decent fan.

>>60060907
case is a silverstone ft05, basically like running a fan on the cooler already
i very well may just stick with the one fan in the cooler though, although it is slightly audible over the case fans
it was just a thought, im not married to it or anything

>>60060774
Don't listen to him. It's better binned but it doesn't clock much higher, any Ryzen hits a voltage wall at 4.0GHz ~ 4.1GHz and the vast majority of R7 1700 hit 3.8GHz without any problem, can can go over that too but from that point the voltage required will fluctuate a lot from one cpu to another. The required voltage for the R7 1700x fluctuates less and is slightly lower, but still fluctuates and can still be quite high. 150MHz at best is not worth the price/

>>60060890
>since branch history is kept forever
Bullshit

>>60061008
Pretty sure I made a dumbass decision because it costs like 80$ more in my country instead of 65$ more than the 1700

I did get the crosshair hero though so I will be able to OC

>>60055680
you are an idiot if you think that buying worse product for same money doesn't matter, in few years you will be forced to replace your underpowering ryzen to ryzen 2.0.


think long run for once you dumb pajeet, i7 7700k is better product than ryzen 1700/1700x

since Ryzen is literally Bulldozer 2.0

>>60055733
>over the microstutter gibberish which is happening on intels current offering in some games

actually shitty ryzen 1700 stutters more than i7 7700k so your lies won't work on me

>>60061268
>crosshair hero

You fucked up again unless the Taichi costs the same. Literally no reason to spend extra on the Hero.

>>60055273

Running mine at 3.8ghz @ 1.3v runs great, could probably drop speeds by 200mhz and cut back on mvoltage a bit.

>>60055472

I cant on my 1700, 3.8 is max, even at 1.35v(not going over that). BUT Im using the spire,. not an aftermarket cooler.

Pissed that the cpu isnt downclocking on the desktop though

>>60061276
>i7 7700k is better product than ryzen 1700/1700x
LMAO

>>60061008
Some guy on the AMD subreddit just posted that his 1700x was literally a downgrade from the 1700 he got. It's a fucking lottery on any of these CPUs, you're just spending more money for slightly better odds I guess but it isn't a guarantee that you aren't going to get fucked with a crappy chip anyway. The clock speed isn't the only factor either because the mem controller and a bunch of other shit are on the die too.

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>>60061323
it is you dumb pajeet, if you wouldn't listen to AMD shills you would understand

I'm hitting 3.8 with wraith spire. Idk if I need more, it already fucks my old 4790k's shit up at this clock, somehow. AMD really did a good job this time with IPCs. Probably I will upgrade to zen 2 next year if they can reach higher clocks. 4.5ghz with these chips would be an unbeatable beast.

>>60061311
My 1700 seemed to like my overkill cooling and I could lower voltages over stock. Spire is good but it isn't great for OC unless you get a golden chip

>>60061300
It's objectively the best am4 board

How low in voltage measurements are people getting with it at 3.7Ghz?

>>60061418
Objectively best bricks with BIOS updates? Sure.

>>60061281
absolute lies all top popularity reviewers said the experience was overall smoother on ryzen processors.

>>60061413
btw my vcore is 1.30, vsoc is 1.12. So I can potentially hit 3.9 with noctua nh d15 by increasing the vcore to 1.375, not sure about vsoc. I don't even know what vsoc affects but it definitely provides stability. Too bad my matx mobo doesn't support BCLK OC so I'm running my 3600mhzC16 rams at 3200mhzC14

>>60061418
How? If we want to speak objectively regardless of price the Taichi has more phases and more options for M.2.

Only thing the Hero over the Taichi is dual BIOS but what does that matter if it doesn't save you from bricking your board anyway.

>>60061331
Those are launch performances though

>>60061542
what more options for m2?

>>60061613
Two slots instead of one

Also I guess the AsRock Fatal1ty would be the objective best since it's the same as the Taichi except with a 5GbE port and a different sound controller. Not that it's worth the extra cash though and neither is the CH6.

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>>60061331

Intel has sub 60fps 1% lows KEK

Steve probably deleted the 0.1% lows because Intel Core i7 7700K got sub 30fps

>>60061331

>1080p

POORFAG
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F
A
G

1920x1080 @ 24" monitor has less pixel density than 1366*768 @ 14" laptop

at least it got team blue off their ass for 2 seconds

>>60055273
The only good CPU from Ryzen is R5 1600.

>>60056560
>144fps gaming is a meme

Really shows how much people know on this board, what a joke

>>60061860
1700 is amazing for any VM users.

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>>60061331
Day 1 benchmark
Remove 0.1% because it would make intel look bad
delit 7700k

how this guy not shill again

>>60061890
heavy multi tasker too

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I was thinking of getting the 1700 when it launched, but the 1600 is such a good value man. It should OC a little better as well, right? I'm thinking of going modest now and go all in with Zen+ if it's 7nm or some shit.

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Ryzen is a joke.

>>60061963
kek

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>>60061963
i remember that one
poor guy

>>60060774
My 1700x does 3.8ghz with only 1.26v, huge number of plebs with 1700 are saying that they need around 1.35v to do that. 1.35v-1.4v is also the upper limit of safe voltage for these chips, so yes, the realistic expectation from an 1700 is 3.8, with the better binned chips it's around 3.9-4.1. The data from silicon lottery seems to somewhat corroborate that

>>60061911
get 1600x and leave it stock. the xfr boost to 4.1ghz is something that only rare chips can do when all cores are overclocked

>>60061890
How less amazing is the 1600 for that? Asking for a friend that went 1600.

>>60062106
it's still amazing. heck I had 4790k for VMs even it was amazing with 4c8t. So a 6c12t CPU will do a lot better.

>>60062090
What's your mobo and ram? What other stuff did you change for that oc?

>>60062154
Asus Prime B350M-A (4 vcore phases, no vrm heatsinks) and 3200CL16 G.Skill sticks using their xmp settings. Only touched the core voltage, LLCs are still at their default auto settings

>>60062349
I have that mobo too anon. I OC'd 1700 to 3.8. Do you think VRMs could burn? I have a really good airflow inside the case and VRM temps never exceed 60C at full load.

(also blazing gskill sticks at 3200mhz CL14 @ 1.375v, no problems)

>>60062373
How do you know your VRM temp?

>>60062402
I assume the generic temperatures other than the mobo and CPU temps are the sensors placed near VRMs in HWinfo64. They get hotter with load, so it's very likely they point VRMs

>>60061276
Kaby Lake-X is literally Netburst 2.0 so nah Intel is complete garbage trash.

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>>60062441
LONGER BIBEEEELINEEES. :-----DDDDD
MOAR RING BUSES. :-DDDDD

>>60061542
Hero still has a better vrm though, phase count is just marketing when you go above 6 or so. Not that it will actually matter in real world performance since both are more than adequate.

Also hero has on board buttons like the fatality which is nice when testing things.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1625822/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-k7-discussion/910

apparently w10 got fixed.

>>60061900
POOTEL STUTTERING HOUSEFIRES

>>60062106
Dedicate 2 cores to linux because it's still snappy even at 2. Then give windows VM the remaining 4 cores for your gaymes along with your main GPU.

>>60062106
Oh, and laugh at the faggots trying to hack into your windows VM and give you windows viruses when you're reading all the shit they do on your linux OS.

>>60061963
Toppest of keks

>>60061442
This.

>>60061281
>source
>my ass
Fuck off, kike.

>>60055472
The most I've been able to hit is 3.9 GHz at 1.4v. Any lower on the voltage and it's unstable, but I haven't been able to stress test that without going over 85c with the spire cooler. Atleast I'm getting an am4 bracket for my aftermarket cooler this week.
I've been using it at 3.7 GHz at 1.225v just fine, though. Under load, it sits at a comfy 70c. It's been great for Premiere, After Effects and Handbrake, pretty much everything I could've asked for.

>>60064458
Cryrig anon? I just got the email from them yesterday saying my adapter was in the mail as well. Can't wait to get away from the $15 "doesn't cover the entire die" gammaxx that keeps my 1700X idling at 40c.

>>60061963
Yo, holdup.

Did some reviewer presented this graph in a serious way?

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>>60061276
>>60061331
>muh gaymen benchmarks
>muh average fps

On top of posting a cherrypicked outlier on Day1 shit with semi-broken BIOS.

Fuck off to >>>/v/

>>60061276
>Having terrible English
>Calling anyone a Poojeet
It's time to go back, Ramesh.

>>60061008
my 1700 reaches 4.0
feelsgood

>>60060871
xft on the chips are this base/turbo/xfr

3.6/4.0/4.1
3.4/3.8/3.9
3.0/3.7/3.75

without hitting a clock rate that the 1700 cant handled at voltages it does not accept, the 1700 will hit 3.8 at 1.35 almost guaranteed, some get up to 4.0 some don't without hitting chip harming voltages, point is xfr was supposed to auto overclock, but what id does is just add a bit to fucking turbo, in honestly pointless feature that was suppose to auto oc.

>>60057489
>tfw tomahawk clocks me to 4.0 ghz
lmao asus boards are shit

>>60059504
Ryzen does not have a higher IPC than babbylake

>>60060759
not by enough to justify it, we are talking at best 100mhz more per tier before they hit unsafe voltages. its the difference between an almost guaranteed 3.8 for 320$ and an almost guaranteed 4.1 for 500$

some of those 1700's will hit 3.9, maybe even 4.0, but that 1800x won't hit 4.3 unless something major happens in the bios, some are able to hit 4.2 now because the major one that just hit droped required voltages to hit clocks by .05

if we were talking about the difference between a 7700 and 7700k base clock, yea the price would be justifiable, but we aren't.

>>60061418
lets see here, the taichi is objectively the best, followed by gigabytes 370x ones, forget their name

asus cant even get voltage controllable and fries memory because it decides to just set it to 1.5, no user control there at all, they may have fixed that in a bios update but fuck me was asus the worst of the amd boards.

>>60061764

POORFAG
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GAFROOP

>>60065479
You failed.

>>60061331
>day one benchmarks from Gaymans Next Ass

Discarded.

>>60055333
Nice get and undervolt

>>60061216
I know sarcasm is often lost in text but holy fuck this was so obvious

>>60061276
>>60061281
Take a hike, kike.
>>60061331
Day one benchmark on a pre-patched game. Nice try, shill.

>>60060890
>there's no limit. branch prediction is 95% of the silicon on a modern processor. some decently long running Ryzens have already gotten quadruple that score by just looping through CB forever.
>since branch history is kept forever we're gonna see self-aware Ryzen AIs this or next year, I predict.
You win the internet today

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>>60055333

>>60065224
yes, and he quickly regretted it.

>>60066614
>56*C
>78*C
Damn

>>60067125
needed to isolate a problem
That was not it

>>60055680
Except you can savely buy it and play at 144fps. Just don't use ultra settings and set one or two cpu crippling settings to high or medium.

>>60065407
yes it does

>>60056560
pls stop talking out of your ass anon-kun

>>60066614
>56C at only 1.29v 3.7ghz for a short test
housefire

>>60071508
keep in mind that most ryzen 7 1700 users, use the wraith spire cooler

what does 0,1% low, 1% low mean in benchmarks?

>>60067249
what is it?

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>>60055273
I preordered a 1700 and have been running one since launch, if you have any specific questions then feel free to ask them.

Overall I really like it. Despite all the hearsay against Asus, my prime x370-pro has fit it quite well (although frequent BIOS updates have changed overclocking performance, sometimes better sometimes worse.)

Currently I am running it at 3.7ghz/1.25v, though I have not tested the latest BIOS very extensively. The stock cooler is quiet and performs admirably, keeping temps below 70c in real-world scenarios and 75c or so in p95. Maybe down the line I'll buy an aftermarket cooler and try some more aggressive overclocks, but I don't see the need to atm.

In terms of vidji, I game at 1440p so the whole 7700k/1700 competition nonsense means nothing to me. I am able to run as many programs at once as I desire and record my gameplay with minimal performance hits.

All in all, feels pretty good senpai.

>>60060246
holy shit that means i just gotta run everything 6 times+ to make it perform less than 1% better!

sign me up for some netting

>>60072474
Do you emulate at all? Dolphin has become pretty good in that a 3570k at 4.3GHz doesn't even go to 40% with most stuff. PCXS2 is shit regardless, so I don't really care. Finally, what about RPCS3? It looks like it likes more cores on some scenarios.
I'm on Linux and compile everyday, so it should be amazing at that. Encoding should be a breeze at well, and while I've converted some BDs to HEVC, I'd love to have something beefier whenever AV1 hits.

>>60072212
basically its the lowest framerates (or frametime) that were found during testing having absolute lowest framerates could be 0 if the polling rate were high enough so any lag spike would read 0 min fps, so instead we use the lowest .1 or 1%

I'm waiting for Vega and volta before I jump on the ryzen platforom

I'm sick of 1080p and want 4k 60hz at a reasonable price

>>60073463
Waiting is a good idea since Ryzen is best with higher frequency RAM and DDR4 prices are insane right now. They might come down by early 2018, when Volta comes out.

>>60073203
No I do not emulate so I can't help you too much there. I've yet to install linux on this machine but I plan to once the semester ends and I have time to backup my data and really fiddle around with this machine.

The closest I get to video encoding is recording gameplay from time to time. Typically I lose less than 5fps (depending on the game ofc) so nothing to complain about there.

If you're compiling everyday though then yeah, I would think that the 1700 is one of your best options.

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>>60061281

>stutterlake

>>60073620
Tru Tru and my old 16gb 1666mhz ddr3 RAM is fine


So that means and waited 2 years before making a high end GPU... The fuck

>>60073753
>So that means and waited 2 years before making a high end GPU... The fuck
they've been constantly working on it, they could've rushed it long time ago as a 1070 competitor and drivers update would probably have put it up to ~1080 levels at the very least (we already saw a prototype card with fury x, completly unadapted drivers that performed slightly higher than the 1070)
But they decide to work more on it instead

>>60074178
its almost like they know that people on /g/ will post old benchmarks in which vega is on par with a 1070 well after optimizations make it sit inbetween 1080 and 1080ti

>>60061330
why do you browse leddit

>>60075810
because people know more there than here

>>60077728
Stay there.

>>60077808
this.

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>mfw I'm encoding h.265 video with HandBrake while playing Splinter Cell: Blacklist with the same FPS I get when I'm not encoding

>>60078850
i know that feel
nothing feels better than running 5 - 6 7z extraction + 60gb software installation and playing a game while waiting for it to end

>>60078850
Meanwhile Intel stutters in gaymen alone.

What's the fastest RAM @ 16GB that actually works with these fucking chips, literally the only thing I'm missing from my parts list atm.

>>60072212
keep in mind that 0,1% lows are averaged lowest frames... which means, the stutters on intel cpus go even below that 60 fps line in many games

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>>60079394
DELET

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>>60079587
>intel fags on this board since ryzen