Today I was arguing with my friend about the MacBook. I told

the target audience that doesnt need more than 1 port can satisfy their needs with a 300€ latop

10¥ have been deposited in your account, Alí

We had this thread before. Verbatim.
Fuck off.

>>60054659
>arguing with mactards.jpg

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>>60054659

>>60054672
xD

the only think decent about macs is the OS, at least its unix with a decent DE.

still not worth the price.

>>60054922
trackpad and screen are also top-tier

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>>60054953
>t. mactoddler

>>60054659
if people are willing to overpay for garbage hardware that's their choice. objectively, the hardware is bad in every regard save for aesthetics. if your friend denies that then he's retarded. but if some dentist wants to pay $1000 for what is essentially a non-touch-screen ipad with a physical keyboard, it's not really your place to tell him he's wasting his money

>>60054672
/thread

t. ex-macbook 2015 owner

He's right

>>60054659
He's right, plus other laptop manufacturers are headed towards the USB-C only route anyway. Apple just did it first so all the /g/ autists are reeeing about it

>>60054979

>glossy

I TRIED SO HARD

>>60054659
I don't get it, what's his argument?
>hey this product is retarded
>yes, but because it's retarded you won't buy it
>so it's not for you
>of course I won't fucking buy it if it's retarded
>if it weren't retarded I might
He's just stating the obvious, it makes no actual sense as an argument.

>>60054659
Its marketed towards professionals

Or at least they claim,

You can't think of a good reason because there is none. You're just a contrarian neckbeard who hates things that are popular and that just work.

"This piece of shit just isn't for you"

>>60054686
What 300 laptop has a high quality screen, no fans, good trackpad and is built as well as a MacBook?

>>60055681
> Chromebook Pixel

>this totally happened guys!
No, you didn't argue with anyone. Also "muh target audience" is a retarded argument, could justify a laptop with no screen and keyboard with that fallacy.

>>60055356
Yes, moron, high dpi requires glossy otherwise you get color shifts.

>>60055681
But the target audience doesn't need those.

>>60054672
>>>>>>/reddit/

>>60055858
The target audience is willing to pay a premium for higher quality goods

>>60054659
There are many people who never plug shit into their laptops, having only one port literally could not matter less to them.

>>60055873
No, it isn't. I was talking about a different laptop. If "muh target audience" is a valid argument for a lack of ports, then it's a valid argument for any other flaw.
Also premium goods usually don't come held down with glue.

>>60055912
>Also premium goods usually don't come held down with glue.

What's this about?

>>60055926
Macbook's battery is glued to the case. Check iFixit for proof.

>>60055943
Well considering it's a non-removable battery that will only be replaced every half decade, if not longer, that's not really much of a deal.

The 12 inch macbook is for people that want to look cool at starbucks updating their facebook or "writing".
Also the whole donglebook thing is horrendously exaggerated, I bought a 2016 mbp expecting to need dongles for everything and I barely even need one. Data transfer can be done over the internet, and I don't need a mouse because the trackpad is great.
It's made for light users that can afford it. This is like saying an expensive luxury car is shit because it can't offroad as well as a jeep.

>>60055969
So we went from "premium quality" to "not that big of a deal" in 2 posts. When I pay over 1k$ for a laptop, I don't want excuses based on "not that big of a deal".

>>60056003
It's premium quality with a glued battery. I'm not giving you any excuses, I'm telling you how it is.

>>60056018
>premium quality with a glued battery
You're aware of what an oxymoron is, right?

>>60055943
What are the other options?

>>60056034
I am, not that that's relevant to our conversation.

>>60056052
Acer Swift 7. Double the ports, cheaper, lighter, keyboard isn't a glorified touchscreen.

>>60056065
Sure.

>>60056078
No I mean instead of glue

>>60055970

The company I work for offered me an XPS 15 or the 2016 MBP. Chose the MBP. You're right - the dongle situation isn't particularly bad for light usage. The main problem is the fucking keyboard. Ended up swapping with a co-worker because of it.

>>60056080
Is this a joke? Are you seriously not aware of what every laptop in existence that isn't Apple shit uses to hold down a battery? Here's a hint: it's better in every way.

>>60056139
What problems was the glue causing?

>>60056147
It's triggering his violent autism

>>60056147
It causes imposibility or hardness on replacing it by the end-user, same as ram, ssd, etc and you're fucked to pay apple to replace it for most than double of a standar battery.

>>60056147
It's a worse way to hold down components in terms of strength, it's very hard to remove, it's not re-usable. It's objectively worse in every single way.

>>60056168
Not an argument.

I think the only arguement is that the actual market audience, not just the target, does use more than one port, and the fact that usbc docks and dongles from apple are so popular kind of proves that
your friend is right, though
think about it like this, if you really truly only did use one port at a time, it wouldn't be a shitty computer at all.
long story short its not for you and you won't be buying it. no reason to argue with your friend

>>60056181
>>60056186
Hard to remove and not reusable are both goals since apple don't want you self repairing.

I don't think the glue has caused any problems and you're chasing a boogeyman.

>>60054659
2 is the minimum acceptable, even for casual users. 1 port is just spite.

>>60056203
Its an issue if I want repair it myself.
>449.99$ for a new battery

>>60056203
>goals
But it's worse for me, why would I give a shit about Apple?
Of course any flaws in an Apple toy get toned down, but any advantages become crucial.
>glue doesn't matter
>but trackpad quality is essential

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why its good

>build quality of metal unibody
>great quality control and support
>hands down the best touchpad
>good screen, excelent brightness and contrast
>unix based OS so much less exposed to malware
>OS also does not shit its pants when scaling on high res panel

supposed cons
>price
lol poorfag while every teenage girl has one
>number of ports
its a notebook, you are suppose to use it on the go
if you are at your desk, you plug in single usb hub
it starts charging, your printer, mouse, keyboard, external hdd,... all got connected with that single plug because they stay connected to the usb hub, kinda like docking station

>>60056258
This

>>60056258
>you shouldn't use it like this
Having less ports is objectively worse, and none of your damage control will change that. I don't give a shit what Apple decided I'm "supposed to do" with a computer.
Also you forgot to mention the keyboard, but of course the trackpad gets mentioned.

>>60056258
So what's your excuse for soldering the RAM?

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>>60056303
>company makes a product for a specific market
>i dont give a shit what they want me to do with it
If only they made another laptop with more ports, or perhaps you could buy from a different company!
Why the fuck are you complaining about a laptop that is obviously not made for your needs?

>>60056258
I love the screen.

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>>60054659
>ports
Problem solved.

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>>60056320
The entire motherboard is almost physically the same size as a RAM unit.

>>60054672
This pasta is so stale it literally gave me nostalgia
Jesus christ

>>60054659
maybe start with a better argument than, it only has one port

>>60056355
Again, that argument can be used for anything. A company that sells a laptop with no keyboard or screen could justify it's meant for people who don't want that, but it's still objectively a bad laptop.

Just so you stop evading the point: Acer makes a smaller and cheaper laptop with double the ports, the Swift 7. It's objectively better, even for this supposed target audience who wants a shit laptop.

>>60056438
>objectively

I don't think you know what this word means.

The one port thing is mind-blowingly retarded. The fucking controller is already there, for what possible reason could there exist not to just route a second port out?

>using peripherals
>2017 anno domini

>>60056445
Please provide a counter-point.

>>60056477
You can't make arguments with wrong definitions

>>60056481
Then use it properly?

Mac is a mistake from the start, and still a mistake now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h4tepFbMso

>>60056497
Go ahead

>>60054659
>today I was arguing with my friend about the dragon dido. I told him it was shit and a waste of money because it was too big for my asshole.

>He said that the target audience doesn't have such small anuses like I do, and if I need to put something in my asshole, I should buy something smaller thus I wouldn't be buying it, and that I had no argument.

>I was so fucking angry but I couldn't counter him. Can someone help?

>>60056513
Their biggest mistake was firing Steve Jobs. Who knows where the tech industry would be if it weren't for the 11 years of his departure that almost made Apple bankrupt.

Macfags defend the idea that the lack of a feature is in fact a feature.
Can't really argue with that kind of fucked up logic.

>>60056565
Reminds me of Trump voters

>>60056537
Anon I already wrote my point. You accused me of using an improper definition. Either prove it or provide some other counter-point, but just stop evading.

>>60056555
if they didn't fire steve jobs apple would bankrupt by early 90s

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>>60054659
It's because you know he's right. Most people don't care about specs. Fuck, some of the smarter people here don't give a flying fuck about MUH SPECS on a fucking laptop of all things. Just look at all the people buying used business laptops with 4 year old Core i5s in them.

I'll never understand people who think everything there is to a computer are specs and benchmarks, as if screen quality, OS functionality, and aesthetics don't matter at all. Probably a form of autism.

>>60056651
Based

>>60056565
think about how often a normal person uses a usb device with their laptop
all their storage is in "the cloud"
if they actually need a keyboard or mouse they use a bluetooth one
I can't think of anything else a normal person would need on their thin and light laptop

with less ports, and those ports becoming more inconvenient to use, it would seem logical to either have a macbook as your main computer, and/or try to incorporate a wireless file transfer.

that being the case, it's odd that apple is also abandoning their airport systems. they've closed down their engineering/design department dedicated to their airport extreme, express, and time capsule.

what to do? go to the cloud, I guess.

>>60054672
You saw this on r/classic4chan today didn't you, Redditor?

Please go back.

Thanks.

>>60056651
What about keyboard? That doesn't matter? Let me guess, things where the macbook sucks at don't exist.

>>60056723
The kinds of people who would buy a $1300 Macbook over a $1300 Macbook Pro with superior everything probably doesn't know how to touch type in the first place.
The Macbook is a piece of shit, but OP's friend is completely right. Apple designed this for normalfaggots.

>>60056758
OP's friend doesn't exist, we have threads like this all the time. It's always the same made-up stories:
>I have this argument with my friend where I said [flaw] and he said [flaw doesn't matter]. I have no counter-point, help me
>[person] uses a macbook, why does /g/ say they're bad? I don't understand
It's literal shilling.

>>60055387
only valid answer to OP

>>60055492
>Or at least they claimed
fixed

>>60055387
>taking OP's premise seriously
You're new here aren't you?

>>60056258
>build quality
>it literally bends if someone drops it by accident
>best touchpad
conceded. not the best but better than competition
>unix based OS so much less exposed to malware
>what is crapware bundled with installers

>>60057185
If your stupid enough to get a virus on your computer than you shouldn't be using technology

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>>60055912
>N-NO
>IT ISNT
>I KNOW BECAUSE APPLE IS A FAILING COMPANY! N-NOBODY CARES FOR HIGH QUALITY GOODS! APPLE I-IS LE FINISHED

>>60057750
>if I fake stuttering, I won't have to present a counter-point
Not an argument.

A better argument against it would have been that these ultra-ultrabooks sacrifice too much, for a minute difference in portability, and leave it at that. The single port is the least of that laptop's problems.

Get over yourself. If he wants to buy one, let him. There's no need for you to get upset over it. He can take your advice, or he can leave it. You're not the one buying it. It's not as if you're arguing with your mommy over which laptop you're getting for you're 12th birthday.

Mine has 4 ports, what are you dipshits talking about

>>60054659
when you spend that much money on a laptop, $30-60 here and there for an adapter isn't a big deal

>>60055814

>calling someone else a moron after you spout incorrect misinformed bullshit

Yeah I guess Dell needs to stop selling their color accurate matte 4K displays then. Fucking idiot.

>>60059002
Ok show me a matte display with more than 300 ppi.

>>60054659
You fell for /g/ memes
Should've let him get his decent laptop for his normalry

Nothing wrong with it

>>60056320

What's wrong with soldered RAM in this current day? The way computers are now, a RAM upgrade in 5 years time won't improve performance. Neither will anything faster than a standard SSD. 32 and even 16 GB of RAM will be fine for the operating life of the machine. RAM upgrades in general, if you're buying the machine new are dumb, buy what you need at the beginning. What's the point of changing the design and construction of a product for a future 1 time upgrade? It's a dumb thing to do.

>>60054659
He's absolutely right. The target audience is retards that will use the port for charging only because it's a facebook machine.

>>60059219
But I think that "Facebook machine is not supposed to cost $1300" is a valid argument then.

>>60056403
wait why the fuck aren't these cunts making micro pcs?

Feels good to have consumer Unix that is actually maintained and not deprecated. :^)

>>60054659
He's right and you're an autistic faggot

>>60059414
They do, it's called a Mac Mini you dingus. 8-)

>>60059071
>glossy is needed to prevent color shit in high dpi

modern day /g/

>>60059558
So you couldn't find a single example otherwise? Strange. It's almost like you're wrong.

>>60059633

Like NECs professional monitors that are matte and 4k ips?

>>60059071
That requirement is absurd. Dell's new 8K monitor is only 280ppi.

>>60055814

you're a tard-ass faggot, my aorus x3 has more ppi than the retina display and the resolution is higher, kiddo.

>>60055858
>60055858
Yeah but the target audience wants those. That's like 50% of the allure of mac

>>60059414

>apple
>EVER catering to /g/'s autist requests

there goes the other headphone jack, ass

>>60055943
Lol ok and? The batteries on mac work fine and it helps with having a clean unibody.

>>60056078
Not built as well.

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>>60059414
I hope they do.

I'm holding out for a new mac mini, or a decent mac pro. anything that's just not shit.

Tim is using Steves corpse as a fuck buddy

>>60055681

What kind of person needs a high quality screen, no fans, and can make do with only one port?

>>60056438
Only an absolute retard would think that something actually vital to using the device going missing would make sense as a comparison. Your screen is a billion times more important than having an additional port. Not even close to comparable.

>>60061122
>make do
it's "make due", you fucking mung

If someone else was paying for me to have a laptop I'd get a rMBP but I would buy it. They're alright but pretty poorly priced.

>>60061178
Only an absolute retard would think that something trivial, common and available to any laptop because of I don't even know why there's only one port, I bet it's because of aesthetics

>you're right, i'm not a latte sipping superficial retard that has to use a laptop as a status symbol to try to mask the flaws of myself as a human and to put up a phony facade to baristas at starbucks because i didn't need to get a wage slave job because i just leech off of my parent's financial success instead

>>60056643
exactly

>>60054659
>I was angry because other people do different things with their hardware
Do something against your autism.

>>60055759
aka. just as expensive but less portable and got a crappy OS

>>60061122
The millions of people who bought it?

The only reason for ports are external screens but since you will use them at home/work, an adapter isn't a big deal.

>>60056697
>openly admitting to being a redditor

>>60062210
I was just doing some anti-reddit spying on Hiro's behalf

>>60061871

>the only reason for ports are external screens
And flash drives.

>>60062839
Only time I recall using a flashdrive was to install OSes. For everything else just sending the shit over wifi or botnet cloud service of your choice is a lot more comfy and faster too.

I guess you could argue for them if you have a business when customers bring their flashdrives/SD cards but then you hardly would use a laptop as your main computer, and if it's stationary, docks beat ports.

>>60062839
How many flash drives do you need to use at the same time?

>>60054979

>>Thicker
>>Heavier
>>Worse battery life

>>60062854

Eh... I've worked with plenty of people who use flash drives. Not everyone wants their files on some third party computer, especially if the document contains sensitive information. And if you're working with someone who's within like... 10 feet of you, it is faster to just use a flash drive for file transfer.

>>60062856

I've used as many as 3 or 4 at a time on a work machine before, but really, the biggest problem is the fact that you can't charge while using any USB device unless you've got a hub.

>>60062871

It's thin enough to be usable, and weight isn't shit, so walk it off, pussy.

Posting this from my 2016 MacBook with Retina display

>>60062923
>especially if the document contains sensitive information
Fair point, if it's something REALLY sensitive.

>And if you're working with someone who's within like... 10 feet of you, it is faster to just use a flash drive for file transfer.
Eh, not necessary. If you have to set up a connection, sure but if you already did it before, sending it over can be faster than inserting the thing, copying data, then inserting it in another computer. If your network is a slow overloaded mess, flashdrives are nice too I guess. Or if we're talking about 10+ gb dimensions.

>and weight isn't shit
This is a silly argument and you know it. Hell, for something like air travel a bit of extra weight can be crucial.

macbook pro same price as the slim line razer gaming laptop. u choose...

>>60054659
>I was so fucking angry but I couldn't counter him. Can someone help?

People don't change their mind when they realize they don't have any argument?

>>60057750
>Apple
>High quality
Apple hardware is just glorified chink shit, they use the lowest quality components there is around.

>>60063172
>16:9 trash with mediocre trackpad and crappy OS
>16:10 productivity with godly trackpad and UNIX for normal people
Decisions, decisions.

>>60063219
Substantiate your claims.

>>60063200
If this was the case then Trump wouldn't have gotten 1 vote.

>>60054659
>Getting this buttblasted over someone else disagreeing with you over a laptop

>>60063273
>implying Trumpcucks do arguments and don't just scream down everything that offends their world view with FAKE NEWS

>>60055387
Because OP is too retarded to know the obvious.

>>60059773
What dpi?

>>60060881
No it isn't, I said high dpi, not high resolution. Smallers pixels obviously get affected more by matte grain, regardless of pixel count.

>>60060943
Are you following the discussion at all? The target audience of a 1366x768 laptop is not people who want good screens. My point was that if you could take a flaw like lack of ports and wave it off with "the target audience doesn't need that", then I can do the exact same with other flaws from any other laptop like screen quality. It's a fallacy anyway, since these flaws are objective.

>>60060977
Proof?

>>60060964
And it's objectively worse built. Every laptop "works fine".

>>60063222
>muh UNIX
Explain how this is an objective advantage.

>>60063031
Are you genuinely saying the weight of a USB pen can stop you from boarding a plane? I don't think I ever saw someone force a point this hard.

>>60056438
>Swift 7
>Buying Acer shit
>Comparing Acer shit to a MacBook
>Buying a laptop with only 1080p screen


Weeeeew lad

>>60064835
>Comparing Acer shit to a MacBook
Not glued.
>Buying a laptop with only 1080p screen
Meanwhile double the ports, better keyboard, smaller.

>>60055310
Nobody in their right mind is going towards only USB-C. Dells and Thinkpads will have USB 3 for at least 5 more years.

He is right tho. The macbook is definitely not made for the power-user. It's made for someone that doesn't do much besides web browsing and wants the best experience in doing so. And I think that it does that excellently.

>>60054659
He's wrong. I'm Apple support for Mac and iOS devices, iTunes, account security, etc. Anyone I've talked to with the one port MacBook needs more ports at some point, and it sucks when they don't. It's a retarded design.

>>60061122
The target audience just need status, that's what they are buying it, Apple has so much that even a not Apple user like /g/ start shivering when they see one.

>>60054979
112% is bad and leads to oversaturated colours (usually green)

>>60054659
I guess you people don't understand that there's no such thing as bad publicity. The more you shit about it, the more you're doing free advertisement for them.
So carry on, being angry turbo nerds who believe they know better. This will only make people wanna try their products and make them more popular, increasing your angriness and making you rant more, to the point that everything a perfect circle of product releases and rants will increase their sales while sending you down the spiral of hate. Carry on goyims

The macbook's target audience are netbook users with too much money. The macbook pro's target audience is what you're thinking of. But they only have usb type c ports which is retarded. The imac is for the true power users.

>>60055906
You meant to say retarded people

>>60065952
Not how that works, kiddo

>>60064300
>acer