/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; as

>>60038461
Battle of the PCBG, oh joy.

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THREAD WARZ BOYS
The other OP even took out the bit about brand loyalty being bad

Should I upgrade my 4790K to a 7700K?

I've got a 240Hz monitor and I emulate a lot of older titles. I want maximum CPU performance, or should I just wait it out for Zen+/Coffee Lake?

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>>60038700
The answer is almost definitely no, though I'm not sure what exactly you're playing to know how affected it is. Gamersnexus put out a reasonably comprehensive bench comparing intel CPUs from 2500k to current, you might take a look at that
I'm almost positive you'll be throwing money into a pit, though, especially as you'll need to update your RAM/motherboard as well

>>60038700
Wait for X299 when Intel launches an 8 core monster for $400 with fantastic single core performance.

>>60038700
Not worth the upgrade yet.

You'll have to wait for at least another generation.

>>60038699
Best thing to do is ignore the shill's threads. I been absent for about a week and just realized what happened. Pajeet made his move.

>>60038700
Nah. No current CPU will give you respectable 144hz+ FPS. So just wait.

>>60038700
Are you retarded?

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Fuck it, I ordered the VG2401. I've wanted a 144hz monitor forever and I'm just going to get it. The only one with better colors seems to be the Samsung VA panel, but it's curved and I'm too autistic to make that many changes in a short period of time. I don't think there's any other "budget" 144hz monitors I missed.

I really hope Vega isn't shit, my 290 is a fucking jet engine.

>>60039042
Best of luck to you.

My XL2411z has terrible picture quality but I can't give up dat 144hz.

>>60039042
>VG2401
Fuck, I mean XG2401
>>60039080
I've never used an IPS panel, so I figure as long as I avoid it forever I won't know what I'm missing. This is supposed to have "good for TN™" levels of color, so we'll see. It's through Amazon, so I'm not worried about returns.

>>60038461
What are some quality cables to get? I need to stock up on USB, HDMI, more USB, and DisplayerPort cables.
Amazon sells cheap USB cables but they're shoddily made. The metallic folds that keep the male end lodged into the female often flatten out and the cable just falls out if you tilt it. I received I really nice USB cord with my PS4 and I want more like it.

>>60039192
Anker is a solid brand.

Ok so I need a microphone to go along with my headphones (my old ones broke). Need some solid advice. Hit me with it senpai

>>60039447
Is it just for talking in teamspeak/Discord or do you need something high quality for streaming?

>>60039512
Nah just for discord.

>>60039654
vmoda boompro
i don't think the antlion is terrible either
this all assumes you're looking for something to attach with your headphones and not a standalone

>>60039706
Either is fine, I've heard that stand alones are better though. Thanks for the suggestions though.

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>>60038735
>when Intel launches an 8 core monster for $400 with fantastic single core performance.
current intel 8 cores cost $1100, anon.

>>60039752
Intel didn't have any reason not to charge an absurd enthusiast price, now they do
We'll see if they actually give a shit or if they lose enough market share to do anything significant with their next set of releases though

>>60039795
7700k is king of single core performance, clocked at 4.2GHz + 4.5GHz boost. Priced at $325.
7740 will be the same but slight clock boost, can expect a similar price.
A $400 8 cores with singlecore performance would completely cannibalize their 4 cores i7, unless the 8 core is not clocked high (just like the 6900k) but then it wouldn't have monster singlecore performance.
Also, there's no need for it. The 7700k is still getting better sales than the r7 1700. They're not gonna go agressive until Zen+ and even then they might not go agressive. Th
The lower i'd expect a 8 core cpu from intel would be $800 but lower is unreal because intel wants profit before anything

A ~$420 6 cores clocked at 3.6 base to counter ryzen properly by attracting the moar coars crowd isn't unthinkeable

Shitty gayming question
>1080p v. 1440p for esports titles
Does it make a difference? Will I care? Assuming you have the card to power it is there any reason not to pick up 1440p?

>>60039911
better to have higher hz than higher resolution. depends on your game though.

>>60039911
For esports titles you generally want the most fps possible so the benefits of 1440p would not be enough to be worth it. Unless you can manage a constant +120fps that is.

Is an RX 580 good for 1440p?

>>60040132
Are you playing AAA titles and expecting maximum or very high settings? If you are, then no. If you're willing to get away with medium settings around or slightly above 60fps, or are willing to drop as low as the 40s and as high as 60 on very high, you'd be okay. If you're trying to really drive a 144hz monitor with it and expecting to get into the upper range you will be disappointed

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>>60040132
Yes, but you will have to turn down some absurdly demanding options that don't add much visual difference in a few games (watch dogs 2, dishonored) if you want to be constantly above 60fps. Other games won't have any problem. 1070 if you don't want to spend time tweaking options in said game, but even then some games like watchdogs have it at 59 fps average at ultra

>>60040203
>>60040220
I can't even really tell the difference between high and ultra 90% of the time

As long as it can play massive battles in Attila: total war

>>60040240
>massive battles
Without knowing anything about the game at all, that sounds more like it would be CPU bound. If you're looking primarily at performance in a single game, find benchmarks for that one game or look at what benchmarks are available with cards similar to yours.

That said, you're probably be fine, especially as you don't seem averse to losing graphical fidelity in certain areas.

>>60040240
From my short research a 580 will probably have to play on Medium settings to stay over 60fps at 1440p, but it should make it.

>>60040132
>>60040240
1070 or a cheap Fury when they are on sale for ~$230

>>60040529
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/6030/4/total-war-attila-tested-with-23-gpus-test-results-wqhd-2560x1440

Here's my primary source - the 580 should compare pretty close to the GTX970.

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>>60040546
I want to get a 1070 but they're $500 for the cheapest one here in Canada, compared to the Rx 580 which is like $320

>>60040569
Disgusting.

>>60039906
7700k is king of housefires and stuttering

>>60040751
poo in loo

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>>60040833
Back to your oven, kike.

Should upgrade from Phenom II to Ryzen?

>>60041282
maybe

>>60038461
How do I know if a motherboard has wifi? The one I am looking at has a Realtek GbE LAN chip.

>>60041282
Maybe.

I mean, I have a Phenom II 1090T and I'm planning to upgrade in June, but my reasons may not be your reasons.

>>60041347
It will say it has WIFI. If it doesn't say, it doesn't.

>>60041522
What's the best X370 board under 200$ for Ryzen?

Is the Asus X370 Prime Pro the best all-rounder? Is it true it has the best power delivery?

>>60041850
ASRock X370 Taichi. It got a 10 out of 10 on some website that doesn't give out 10s a lot.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Asus-Z170-PRO-Intel-Socket-1151-DDR4-ATX-PCI-Express-3-0-x16-Motherboard-/322492355501?hash=item4b160ad3ad:g:03oAAOSwWWxY~NgZ

Found a cheap z170 that doesnt come with cables and accessories. Does anyone know if it would still be worth buying?

>>60041998
The Taichi is 244€ around here while the Prime is only 166€. And doesn't the Prime have the same VRM as the Taichi?

>>60042038
First of all, fuck you for tricking me into thinking I could safely recommend you american products.

Taichi offers built-in Wi-fi, 6 more power phases, and I/O shield, and an Ultra M.2 slot over the Prime Pro. Prime Pro has an HDMI and DP ports you're not gonna be able to use your with Ryzen so you're gonna have lmao dedports.

There's also the
>Asus BIOS
meme but I'm not up to date on all that.

Just get a Gigabyte mobo

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/JtpYJx
Rate please
>inb4 vega
Already accounted for. If it turns out to be cheaper, i will switch the ssd for a cheaper one and hope i can afford vega 11

>>60042173
>cheaper
I mean better

>>60042173
Why not get the 1600 and OC it yourself? Why the overpriced mobo? Drop the HD and get a proper sat 6 SSD with the savings.

>>60042220
>>60042173
Also:

>1080p monitor
>GTX 1070
What?!?!

>>60042234
I also have a 4K monitor. I just want a smaller one for a different setup

>>60038812
>No current CPU will give you respectable 144hz+ FPS. So just wait.
wut?
My 2600k was able to hit 144fps in many games
CPUs aren't really a bottleneck these days.

Go up to 1440p 144hz and it removes even more bottlenecks.

>>60042131
>wi-fi
useless for me, will be gathering dust

>I/O shield
What the fuck are you talking about? Don't all mobos have that?

>an Ultra M.2 slot over the Prime Pro
Only at PCIE Gen 2.0 x4. Won't that bottleneck any decent NVME SSD?

>BIOS
No idea about that. Is the Taichi one good? Does it allow Ryzen overclocking while keeping the ability to downclock and downvolt at idle?

>>60042290
Able to hit 144fps is not the same as stable 144fps.

I'm looking to move to 1440p in the very near future. Is a 1070 sufficient for non competitive games on decently high settings? Should I fork over the extra 100 for a 1080?

Alternatively, I heard that Vega is around the corner, is it's release likely to get me more bang for the buck? I'm hesitant to wait, I played this waiting game last time i upgraded my gpu and I ended up buying what I was planning on originally (gtx770) cause the AMD cards were having heat issues and price inflations from bitcoin miners.

>>60042294
Taichi are the best motherboards currently, unfortunately they are sold out everywhere.

>>60042301
1070 is a low-end 4k card. It is more than enough for 1440.

>>60042319
What kind of answer is that anon? It contains no info.

I might get a Taichi, but it's much more expensive than the Prime and I need to justify such a price difference. What makes it so much better than the others?

>>60042220
>OC
I want to hit 3.9GHz without having to OC and hit the voltage wall.
>overpriced
The average X370 board is $200. Whats the difference between the Gigabyte, K7, Gaming 5 and the K5?

Will the ryzen 1600 bottleneck a 1080ti at 1440p? Best alternative if so?

>>60042349
I just don't know why you're bothering with a X370 board. And "not wanting to OC" is a stupid reason when it's super easy to OC a 1600 safely to 3.9 even on a stock cooler..

>>60042294
The I/O shield is just a cover on the motherboard over all the external ports. You're thinking of the panel that goes in between the motherboard ports and the case. Most motherboards have that component.

The Ultra M.2 isn't the bottleneck for the NVMe, it's the PCie x2 that does it because you essentially have half the bus size.

>>60042299
My fps it limited to 144fps by mail afterburner.
It was a 100% solid 144fps in a lot of games.
My 2600k still hits 144fps 1440p easily as well.
Not in demanding games though, as I'm GPU limited.

>>60042378
>The I/O shield is just a cover on the motherboard over all the external ports.
And what's the purpose of that if I don't plan on punching my motherboard?

>>60042398
Listen, I'm just giving you the facts. Go buy whatever piece of silicon shit you want and put together your computer already. You already sound like you've made up your mind.

>>60042388
The only games you'd hit solid 144fps are older games. Modern games will not hit solid 144fps even on 720p.

>>60042425
Are you ok anon? I was just curious to know if it serves any other purpose. You don't need to get mad.

>>60038812
>Best thing to do is ignore the shill's threads. I been absent for about a week and just realized what happened. Pajeet made his move.
Yeah. I've been a bit too busy, too.

Anyone else can make a new thread and just ignore the shill. There's not just designated people that can make /pcbg/.

>>60039042
>I really hope Vega isn't shit, my 290 is a fucking jet engine.
Does an artic accelero or similar cooler not fit it? You should have done that ages ago.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6XVGRG

Which HDD should I get? These WD Golds look crazy but I'm not sure if they underperform in areas that aren't really discussed.

can /pcbg/ be renamed /cpug/

also should i get a 500GB 2.5" SSD or M.2 SSD

>>60042510
>Does an artic accelero or similar cooler not fit it? You should have done that ages ago.
>assuming I'm not a tech pleb
It took me months after building my PC until I felt confident enough to open it up and install another HDD/dust it out. The concept of removing the fans/installing an aftermarket one terrify me.

>>60042529
Do you actually need the features either of those provide, or is this just a generic storage drive

>>60042532
It really doesn't matter. It's just a form factor. But I believe m.2s are more expensive usually.

>>60042532
>/cpug/
I think we shitpost hard enough in these threads already

>>60042009
Any help with this one guys? I have a friend who builds pcs who could put it together but I'm not sure what exactly would be missing from a motherboard with no cables and how much they would cost to buy.

>>60042540
I want something that's fast and reliable but I guess you'd just call it a generic storage drive?

>>60042398
>And what's the purpose of that if I don't plan on punching my motherboard?
Isolates airflow through it goes through the places that are easier to clean dust from.

>>60042367
>Will the ryzen 1600 bottleneck a 1080ti at 1440p? Best alternative if so?
The only games it'll bottleneck 1440p are games that are just shittily programmed and not designed to go over 60/110fps or whatever like Nier, Bayonetta, Fallout 4, etc.
So, no.

>>60042301
An RX580 is sufficient for 1440p 60fps. Plus you get the benefit for cheaper freesync. I don't think a 1070+gsync 1440p is worth it. That's like $500+ for a monitor instead of $350$-600 for Freesync... So at minimum an extra $150 for the monitor unless I'm missing something.

>Alternatively, I heard that Vega is around the corner, is it's release likely to get me more bang for the buck
Obviously. Gsync throws value out the window.

>>60042009
>>60042582
If you have the cables and accessories already, sure? Simple answer.

>>60042593
>but I guess you'd just call it a generic storage drive?
You could just pick up a WD Blue if you don't need the additional features. If you really want specifically a 2TB 7200 drive then sure, but you might check if you actually need that much space or what you're storing on it.

>>60042593
>>60042664
This is also assuming you have an SSD in your build and are using it primarily for boot/games/frequently used shit that isn't media

>>60042664
I'm willing to pay the premium for black or gold, but I'm just curious if anyone uses a gold in a normal gaming/workstation build or what.

>>60042713
No, Black is usually the one people get if they want a higher-tier HDD.

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>>60042742
Gold seems slightly better and the 4TB is on sale for a good price.

>>60042758
Well get it if its on sale.

Usually gold is way more expensive,

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>>60042758
The Gold are hermetically sealed with helium.

>>60042758
>>60042820
Still seems too expensive. But Black is so expensive right now, too.
I could swear I saw 2TB Blacks for $90 last week.

$190 for the 4TB doesn't seem too terrible, though. Maybe I should get one myself. I've done a good job of cutting down digital hoarding lately, though, so idk.

>>60042954
It's $154 for the 4TB if you have a student email and buy directly from the WD website. They also have discounted Black (and blue, I think?) drives there too.

Why are seasonic power supplies recommended over other brands?

>>60043036
Theyve been in the business the longest.

>>60043036
meme reputation over the years.just look up scores on jonnyguru for the PSU you're interested in. EVGA typically scores well

could i potentially get a better mobo ? Also are patriot ram sticks good quality?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fcqRbj

>>60042432
>Modern games will not hit solid 144fps even on 720p.
What are you fucking going on abOUt?
Sure, you have a lower some settings, but 144fps is easy to hit with modern GPUs.

>>60043094
Can you name some modern games that hit stable 144fps on medium or better?

>>60043009
meh I don't have a student email

>>60043036
Because other brands change manufacturers after they get a good review on a model to some shitty manufacturer.

Seasonic is both the manufacturer and their brand name. They're always manufacturered by Seasonic. Most of the good models of other brands are manufactured by Seasonic.

There are other good manufacturers.. but it's often changing who manufactures what model so it's hard to recommend a specific model as it could have changed over what was last known.
Like Seasonic used to make some of those cheaper to midrange EVGA and Corsair models but then they changed them in the middle of last year yet people still have still been recommending those models even though if you look at recent reviews they have tanked in quality.

>>60043094
What are YOU fucking going on about? I'm not that guy but tons of games are shittily programmed in a way that they literally can't hit 144fps even if you have a 7 GHz overclock on LN2. And if they do they cause problems like how GTAV hitches for 100+ms when it hits 160fps.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CFhmHN
Is this a good build? Im new to /g/ and i want something for playing FPS on. My friends told me more cores were better for games

Friend is trying to sell me a GTX 1050 Ti for $80 buck, he only used it for 3 months. Should I take him up on it?

>>60043140
I can name one. The Division can in DX12 with crossfire RX480s an a 1800x.
DOOM can on lots of different hardware. Even a lock i5, I think.
For Honor has an easy time getting 144fps minimum on Ryzen.
Rainbow 6 Siege.
But I can also name a ton of games that won't.

Many games can hit 144 minimum, namely "dumb" shooters. Many can't.

>>60043210
I'd say <$90 is the price that a 1050Ti becomes worth it, unless you really need it for a PCIe-power-only card.
So yes, as long as the warranty is transferable.

>>60043190
Poor bait. You should have thrown in more CPU coolers.

>>60043210
If you have an MATX or smaller build, and you want okay 1080p gaymen, then yes

>>60043190
I'd get the 1700. The 1800x is not worth the money, especially for gaming.

Your cooler does NOT need to be that expensive.

>4266mhz ram
Oh, you're meming. Good job.

>1050 2gb
Kek.

good ryzen mobo that is <$101

[email protected]
MSI GD80V2
Ballistix 1866mhz
MSI r9 390
Samsung 850 evo 500gb
Seasonic 650w 80+ Gold

>>60043254
b350 Gaming 3 or Pro4.

>>60043242
>more coolers
Nice catch. Good suggestion for next time. Not surprised/g/ handled it better than /sci/
>>60043244
Yes i am fucking memeing. This is me >>60042173

>>60043258
Is that the non-reference PCB MSI 390, or was that only the 390X?

>>60043244
Also you didnt catch the case, mobo, and cpu not being compatible

>>60042220
>>60042377
Is this fine? But i still refuse to abandon my type C usb

>>60043279
I didn't comment on everything. I just found the 1050 especially amusing.

>>60043301
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/x283CJ
>>60043309
Ah. I was thinking about putting the Ti, but i thought the regular would get a better reaction

Should I get an RX 580 8GB or an RX 580 4GB (an RX 570 4GB is also an option)

>>60043393
Games are steadily eating up more VRAM, and the price difference is generally worth paying for

>>60043278
Non reference.

>>60043422
I don't have the budget for a $250 RX 580 8GB, are the $230 ones ok enough?

>>60043460
Without knowing which one you're talking about, it's likely fine. They will probably either be slightly hotter, louder, overclock slightly less or a combination of the three, but the core card will be the same.

Alternatively you can look for a sale on the 480. There's almost always a model on sale, though not always the 8GB version.

>>60043460
Just get the XFX RS 8GB one that's on sale for like $190 if you aren't doing 1440p.

>>60043491
>the core card will be the same.
How do you fucks that don't know what you're talking about ever bother to give "advice"? Stop assuming shit when you don't actually know better.
The PCBs and binning of the GPU dies varies. That makes them not "the same".

>>60043501
Is that an ok card to get? I've heard bad things about it.
>>60043491
That should be fine, as long as it lasts me. How good is the Sapphire Nitro as far as RX 480 cards go?

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>>60043516
>the card is within 8% on average
>EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT IT'S ON FIRE
It's baffling that you get upset over making advice simpler for someone who clearly doesn't understand the tech in the first place.

>>60043264
I was looking for a Tomahawk, but it went from 100 to 150.

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>>60043036
Because they have consistently put out top quality products for well over a decade.

The vast majority of other companies are just rebrands of OEMs. The better rebrands usually use Seasonic as the OEM.

Here's an example where 5 out of 7 PSUs don't even meet the minimum ATX specifications, while Seasonic is almost double the minimum spec.

Obviously Seasonic isn't the only company that produces good PSUs, but even companies that are generally reputable like Corsair and EVGA have a number of real lemons so you need to review them on a much more case-by-case basis.

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>>60043536
Yeah, it's not the best. It's very different from the XFX GTR. But it's cheap and still better than RX570 if the RX570 is only $10 cheaper.

>>60043548
>the reference RX580(which doesn't exist) is within 8% average of the Reference RX480. This doesn't include the non-reference RX580s(which is all that exist) and that AMD sells two different bins of GPU dies to card manufacturers (similar to a 1700 vs 1800x), nor that they're free to make whatever PCB they wish.
Get smart or kill yourself, faggot.

>>60043788
Thinking of picking up the $230 RX 580 8GB Sapphire Pulse (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202278&ignorebbr=1). How does it look? Or should I just get the XFX RS?

What's the cheapest X370 mobo that will allow me to overclock Ryzen with P States?

>>60043890
a b350

How long to those CPU liquid coolers last? Do the pumps really die in 2-3 years?

>>60043974
Max time I would say is 5 years if your very lucky, but 2-3 years is realistic. If you want longevity and quietness get a decent 120mm/140mm fan air cooler

>>60043822
If 1080p 60fps, I'd get a cheaper card, dude. Seriously. I'd only pay like $200 for those lower end model RX580s.

If 1440p, get one of the higher tier RX580 like the Nitro+, Red Devil GS, or GTR-S. One with an 8+6 pin, the fast VRAM, and that you know will reach at least 1480MHz if not higher.
$270-$280 is more money, but they're worth it for the 1440p performance you get compared to a 1070 still.

>>60043974
I've seen them leak in a few months, mang. Get big air, or make your own custom loop. AIOs are a joke.

>>60044022
That's the cheapest RX 580 8GB (or near around it). Should I just go for a 480 8GB in that case then? Because people have told me to just get an 8GB card instead of downgrading to the 4GB or RX 570/470.

>>60044105
Get a Geforce GTX 1060.

>>60043974
I lmao at people who bought shitty liquid coolers that break and have planned obsolescence I just fucking hate that new boards have these huge ass fuck stupid IO shields on them and make it so I can't put a huge block on

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>>60043788
>being this autistic over simplifying advice for someone clearly new
>being this autistic as to get angry over the choice of words to do so
kys yourself

>>60043939
With P States? Which ones? I call bullshit.

>>60044105
Yeah I'd just get the cheapest RX480 when there's a significant price difference.
Or you can wait for the Pascal refresh to drive prices down or other sales in general before then.

>>60044150
Not an argument

>>60044113
>pay more for worse performance
fuck off

>>60044105
A 480gb > 580 4gb. That being said, act quickly, 480s are getting sold-out more and more often.

>>60044150
Not him but if you don't know what you're talking about it's better to just stay silent instead of getting angry over "autistic" responses telling you you're wrong.

>>60043974
They're memes.

>>60044192
>molymeme
It's more than going into full neurosis over giving basic details to someone new. News flash - whether he gets the best binned card possible or your average run of the mill, he's going to be within a small band of performance regardless. So again, kys yourself

>>60044203
>worse performance
>in the 5 Vulkan/DX 12 meme games

>>60044209
You didn't give "basic details".
You gave misleading non-information.
You weren't helpful at all. You only think you were because you're too stupid to understand how stupid you are.

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>>60044236
Nope, in virtually every game.
And GSync costs far more money. You could get a 1070 with the difference in monitor prices if not for also needing Gsync there.

>>60044237
>misleading non-information
Do you really think a beginner benefits from knowing the differences you laid out? Do you think he's using any of that information? Do you think any of that is helpful in understanding the basic idea that most GPUs in the current generation are very close in performance to one another?

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>>60044236
Nah, most games, aside from goyworks. Espeicially if you're going with a Ryzen (which you should be).

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So, general content Creation and gaming PC, can't go wrong with an R7 1700 + RX 580 8GB right? The cooler should be AM4 compatible

Using the adobe suite mostly, CUDA is a bit better in it, but for gaming it's either $400 4k 27" IPS or 1440p 144hz IPS, both with free-sync

+ 1080p IPS display

>>60044277
>look mom, I posted it again!

>>60044277
We're talking GPUs you retarded shill.

>>60044287
That's not an argument, and that's actually my first time posting it.

>>60044298
So am I. The performance lists the 480 and the 1060 on both Intel and Ryzen CPUs. Try reading the graph instead of dismissing it based on it hurting your feelings.

>>60044315
>implying it was intended to be

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>>60043788
> AMD sells two different bins of GPU dies to card manufacturers

I'm interested, this is the first time I'm hearing about this. Do you have a link or any more information?
Perhaps some overclocking/bench data comparing the two classes of 580?
Which models have the higher class silicon?

>>60044340
I'm not buying this game so please never post it again.

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>>60044359
Fuck you.

waiting for Vega
the 580 is a placeholder
if I go over 2k I'm going to drop the 1tb ssd
I have a 1tb wd black already
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zBYJHN

>>60044298
>We're talking GPUs you retarded shill
The problem is that the only CPUs worth buying in the $600-$1100 build price range are Ryzen 5s. And Nvidia GPUs are stuttering messes on them in some games. Not to mention Freesync vs Gsync. So yeah, it's generally pretty stupid to go with a 1060 since that's probably the GPU you'd be getting in that budget range.

>>60044340
>I'm interested, this is the first time I'm hearing about this. Do you have a link or any more information?
I can't find the source I saw earlier, but it's just one of those well known practices. Just like it's well known that such and such PSU has been quality components even though there is no detailed specs sheet of every component, and just like it's known that 1700X are better binned than 1700 just by testing many samples even though there's not always concrete words on that stuff.
Source is just some guy that works at Gigabyte and knows there are two different RX580 GPUs that they can order that are the same die but AMD has on-die sensors to test how good the are to bin them efficiently now days.

Also, card manufacturers often do their own internal binning in addition to this. MSI used to be well known for saving golden dies for really high end models. That's why you see two different Sapphire Nitro+ models.
It's not some scam. They aren't literally the same. But the high end models of each manufacturer will vary based on the PCB and other component quality, and the whether the extra performance is worth it or not will vary as well.

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>>60044561
Get a 120GB or smaller NVMe or something. They're pointless at large sizes since they're generally only useful as a scratch disk which doesn't need to be over like 120GB for most people. Hell, even 32GB is generally enough.
Maybe up to 2TB on the 850 or another SSD like the MX300 or SU800 instead of the pointless NVMe?

I saw a Seasonic Prime Titanium drive on sale for like $90 the other day, too. Not sure if it's still around. I'd buy it right now before it goes off sale if it is.

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Thoughts?

I decided to go with 32gb ram because bloat is real and I intend to keep the system for a long time. Last build I did was 8gb back when everyone thought 2gb or 4gb was enough, and it paid off for me.

Drives and GPU I would pull from my current system - probably add a M.2 drive at some point to replace the HDD.

Also, 650W PSU to give plenty of power for possible video card upgrade in the future. Will be playing games at 1080p/144hz, as well as general computing and ocassional music production.

>>60044926
I don't understand why you guys don't go mATX.
Save $30 on the mobo and $40 on the case for no drawback except that you save space.

Other than that, build is fine.
650W is probably excessive even for Vega, and 550 would be fine. But eh.

>>60045030
These are CanadaBux - it is a mATX build.

The price difference between the 550W and 650W is about $13, so I decided to move up.

>>60041118
What the fuck are you doing that makes it hit 91C, nigger?

>>60045128
Using it.

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>TFW have 144hz monitor
>play OW
>Still get shat on by people with probably 30 fps rigs

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE COMPETITIVE EDGE

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>thread has officially become /cpushillinggeneral/
>occasionally interspersed with actual questions
>even more rarely with a response that actual goes in depth
we are truly lost

>>60045304
Stop calling it shilling because it disagrees with your narrative. The Ryzen 5s, especially the 1600, are just the best bang for your buck, it isn't shilling. If it was shilling, we'd tell everyone to get the 1800x + a B370. We're just trying to save Anons money while still giving them the performance they desire.

I7s only make sense if your monitor supports over 100fps, you aren't GPU bottlenecked AND you're playing games that actually let you go over 100fps without issues.Even then, the stuttering is something you'll have to watch out for.

>>60045304
it's just the same memers who stay through a couple threads and come and go
advice is always the same: you get what you paid for
if you were serious about everything, you'd do your own research instead of asking a bunch of autists on an anonymous imageboard

>>60045389
The irony being that I've consistently recommended Ryzen when it's been the correct choice for an anon's build, which has been most of the time.

You're so certain that I'm disagreeing with you that you've begun projecting that same narrative out onto me.

>>60045426
I haven't even stated an opinion for you to disagree with, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm just tired of the word "shill" being thrown around by cancerous /v/irgins.

>>60045436
>Stop calling it shilling because it disagrees with your narrative
>proceeds to praise Ryzen
The obvious implication being that I believe in a narrative against Ryzen, which I do not.

>>60045275
not when your reaction speed is that of a turtle
all you can see is how they gank you before they actually gank you

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>>60045275
At least it looks pretty, r-right anon?

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>>60045275
>tfw reflexes too shitty for 144hz
b-back to 75hz i-iguess

The OP says that I shouldn't mix a Ryzen CPU and an Nvidia GPU. Do you guys have any sources on that so that I can check it out?

If it's a small impact then I don't really care, but if it's a large issue with stuttering and piss poor performance then I'll have to look into it more.

>>60045539
It's pretty large, like 30+ FPS loss. I don't have the picture but im sure someone has it.

>>60045539
It's AMD vs Nvidia, what do you think. They don't get along.

Ryzen APUs are gonna be fucking awesome for ultra budget builds.

>>60045539
It's an issue with lower gpu usage in a very few games so you end up with less fps, but no it's not a stutter fest
It also affects intel 6 and higher cores

>>60045539
in old games it's giant for some reason
dx9 difference is up to 80fps(this is stupid)
dx11 is okay-ish
dx12 up to 30fps

>>60045597
on side note, to be fair, all those fps are above 100

>>60045552
>constanza.jpg

>>60045555
If you mean the companies themselves, I doubt Nvidia benefit from fucking Ryzen over in any way. If you're talking about the posters, well, you're right.

>>60045586
Is it a big FPS loss? I'm pairing the 1700 with a 1080Ti so I'll have lots of headroom regardless.

>>60045597
Please post source for that. I find it hard to believe that the impact is that big, unless we're talking a 30-80 fps loss when we're already running at 200 fps.

>>60045539
The only difference is in CPU performance

>>60045539

See >>60044277

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I have to travel a lot to China, mainly because I'm an AOSP developer. I want to have a portable workstation based on the new Ryzen 1700. Considering they don't have ITX Mobos yet, I want thinking of getting a mATX one with a Streacom FC9 as a passive cooler.

Do you think the FC9 will be able to hold a stable temperature under load ?

>>60045615
>Please post source for that
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four/14

scroll down to fury x numbers

>>60045641
If you undervolt/underclock maybe, but ITX boards are coming soon, BIOSTAR has announced 2 at least, I'd wait for better vendors though

>>60045629
Right, that shouldn't be a big issue then.

>>60045636
I assume higher numbers/bigger spikes is bad? I'm not 100% on what I'm looking at with that graph.

>>60045671
Thank you my man

>>60045691
You want as flat a line as possible

what GPU are you planning on? What's your display set up?

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>>60045615
>Is it a big FPS loss?
It can be, really depends on the game
But again the vast majority of games are not affected by this. It took people one month and a half to find out. You should check ryzen benchmarks on the games you play to see how it performs, the majority of cpu benchmarks are done with gtx 1070 / 1080

>>60045686
Last thing I read though, it was planned for end of year which is still a while away from now. Maybe I should just get the 1600 for now then.

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XZQMMHJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_W7y.ybWM0SRYM

I want this for playing games with everything maxed out, 60FPS at 1920x1080 and 2560x1440. Such games include The Forest, TF2, Rust, Blockland, We Happy Few, and so on. I'm also interested in Twitch streaming.

Should I go for an RX 570 chipset with 8GB VRAM instead?

>>60045731
8 core or bust

>>60045577
I'm gonna slap a big fucking cooler on it and call it the Blender.
Think about TDP of Ryzen right now combined with the TDP of a 480. It will run hot.

>>60045733
That things a piece of shit, get this sapphire card at $249 which comes 1411mhz out of the box and doesn't have a shit PCB

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202280


There was a $219 480 8GB card from sapphire but it's sold out now

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202275

>>60045742
APUs will probably max out at 95W TDP, only ones that'll be higher are the custom console ones that'll come later

>>60045691
>I assume higher numbers/bigger spikes is bad
It's milliseconds to draw a frame.
60fps is 16.3ms.

If it keeps taking a great deal different time to draw and display a frame (this assuming you're using freesync/gsync), you will notice the lack of smoothness.
It's not so much an issue of not staying over 60fps. It is averaging over 60fps in all of those, for both CPUs. But the 1600+AMD GPU is far, far smoother.
It's not so much about average FPS, but how low it dips and how smooth it is.
Even going from 4ms to 14ms can look bad, even though that's always over 60fps, because of how inconsistent it is.

>>60045728
I believe Nvidia driver update already fixed that Rocket League issue, at least I'm hearing that.

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>>60045728

>It took people one month and a half to find out.

Only because most reviewers lack critical thinking. They (perhaps justifably so) believed that slapping a 1080 or titan on ryzen would give them maximum gpu performance when that clearly isn't the case. NOBODY wanted to test with AMD cards despite that being the biggest complaint of early reviews.

It sort of kicked off because of RoTTR results and gained traction (as it is now a trending thing) after AdoredTV dedicated a video to the subject. None of the big reviewers wanted to touch the subject. Anandtech's review of the ryzen 5 chips (which iirc is where your pic is from) throws up some odd results even on the cpu side.

>>60045733
>RX 570 chipset
this word has no reason to be here

Considering the games you've listed the Rx 570 will be pretty damn fine for 1440p, but might still have to turn down a very few settings to achieve stable 60fps.
Rx 580 is better if there are AAA titles you want to play at 1440p (you will still have to turn down settings by the way, but still not anything noticeable)

>>60045742
Ryzen is very power efficient and so is the Rx 480 (170w TDP, aka same as GTX 970 which is everything but hot)
A Ryzen APU clocked at 3.0GHz / 3.4GHz boost or even lower with their iGPUs (or Vega if it's anything good) would be a monster for gaming. The only thing old APUs lacked were cpu power because bulldozer was shit, but with Ryzen amd cpus aren't a bottleneck anymore.

>>60045742
>>60045776
No, Scorpio with its 40 CUs and 8 jaguar cores is well under 45w TDP. Might even be closer to 25w.

You have to understand that the GPU itself hardly draws much power, and most of the power draw of a card is due to inefficiencies in power delivery, VRAM, AUX, etc.
Even a 390X GPU itself draws like what... under 75watts?

So yeah. We'll see APUs that are in the 7-95W range.

>>60045822
I was guessing this was a problem the first week. I'd show my posts on forums about that, but not gonna' give up my anonymity.

>>60045710
GTX 1080Ti
I've got two 1080p monitors, one is a 144hz, the other one is 60hz.

I'll buy a 4K monitor once the prices go down a bit and I can get a 4K 144hz monitor without selling my car. Alternatively I'll get a 1440p 144hz monitor.

>>60045793
Right, thanks for the explanation.

rx 560 release when?

>>60045874
Why would you buy a high end GPU before buying a monitor to max it out?

an 8GB 580 would be plenty and Vega is right around the corner, not to mention the savings free-sync will have vs G-sync

Pixio makes a 1440p 144hz IPS free-sync display that only costs $400

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB714894154

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZR4_gWG4u8


Its just really stupid to buy a high end GPU without a high end monitor


Volta is coming as well

>>60045754
>>60045824
Thank you both. What exactly is wrong with the MSI PCB? Other than clock and the PCB quality, what's wrong with it?

>>60045864

> I'd show my posts on forums about that, but not gonna' give up my anonymity.

You're a cool guy Mahigan.

>>60045922
Its just basic

the sapphire card is well built, may hit 1500mhz if you're super lucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE_6eFaYjs&t=944s

>>60045922
>>60045941
Thanks to both of you. To the anon recommending the SAPPHIRE card: I've found something that'll satisfy me.

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814202282

Thanks for your patience, guys.

>>60045913
Because playing the waiting game is not something I particularly like doing unless there is a REALLY good reason for it, which currently, there isn't. (Also Shadowplay is ridiculously good)

I've meant to build a new system for a while now and I don't see Vega being a whole lot better than the 1080ti. It'll be cheaper, probably a lot cheaper, but it doesn't concern me.

By Volta I assume you mean the next intel CPUs? I don't particularly care about them, as I doubt that intel is going to change their business practices completely and not try to jew me. If they release an 8-core CPU it's going to cost loads which would eat into the budget.

I might be completely wrong on the Volta front as I haven't heard much of anything about it, I'm just going by Intels previous releases.

Regarding the monitor, I'd love to be able to go out and buy a 1440p/4K monitor, but they are expensive as fuck over here (Finland). A 1440p 144hz monitor is about 600€ or more. An equivalent 4K monitor is 1000€.

>>60046004
>By Volta I assume you mean the next intel CPUs?
nvidia gpus

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>>60046004
>Finland
Why aren't you posting in finnish chans you would probably get a better answer since you're around faggots that know about local stores and shit.

>>60046004
>(Also Shadowplay is ridiculously good)
You'll want to use OBS if you get the R7 1700, higher quality, still no impact on performance since you give the game 4c/8t and OBS 4c/8t

Otherwise AMD has ReLive does the same thing as shadowplay

>>60046004
>By Volta I assume you mean the next intel CPUs
Are you real?

Vega is easily worth waiting to see since you don't even have display worth using a 1080ti on

I'm also fairly certain you could get a 1440p 144hz + RX 480/580 instead of using a 1080ti on a 1080p display

>>60045913
That Pixio isn't that good. I'd wait for the Nixeus one.

>>60046004
lol. ReLive is better than ShadowPlay. When will you guys learn?

>>60046062
Not sure what you mean? it's 1440p 144hz IPS free-sync, korean monitor sure, but you'll find none cheaper with those specs

>>60045954
I'd just spend the money on the 580, not that the 570 is bad or anything, probably just worth the money to get the full chip

>>60046026
My bad, I haven't followed the product names that closely.

>>60046027
Because they are slow and my questions aren't exactly country-specific at this point.

>>60046044
I currently use the Nvidia codec with OBS which gives good enough quality since I can't actually reliable record anything with other codecs without dropping more than 40% of my frames.
I forgot that ReLive was a thing, they only recently released it right?

You say I could get a 480 but coming from a 970 the difference would be marginal at best. The 580 is from what I've seen a slightly upgraded 480, so I don't really see the point

Now you could argue that upgrading from a 970 to a 1080ti is retarded, and you'd be absolutely correct.
But my 970 is not good enough for a 144hz 1080p monitor, and neither are the current AMD cards. Maybe if I paired it with the Ryzen CPU, but at that point I'm throwing money away with the GPU. Figured I might as well go All-Out and get the 1080ti and get the better monitor later (probably during the summer or at the end of the summer, so not a long wait).

>>60046091
Weird that I was going to say I was going for the 580 over 570 as I read that response.
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814202279?nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-Mobile&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-Mobile-_-pla-_-Video+Cards+-+AMD%2fATI-_-N82E16814202279&gclid=CIKqq8W5vNMCFViewAodGGEOKw&gclsrc=aw.ds
How's this? I don't need THAT much VRAM, to be fair.

>>60046082
are you retarded?
Monitors vary with more than just their size, resolution, and whether or not they're freesync.

The Nixeus was on preorder at Massdrop fro the same $400. But it is going to retail at $500 now, but might be worth the price difference.

what's the selling point for things like the intel nvme drives and the other m.2 nvme drives? like, what is that kind of speed needed for? If it doesnt help with system boot time or necessarily load times, then for what? as a scratch drive? whats the selling point?
also, why 2 pcbg?

>>60046135
video editing, also lack of cables

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I realized that for the most of the things I do I require a decent CPU, not GPU. So I'm looking for a new build with a good CPU and a somewhat passable GPU

I have decided to get a Ryzen 1800X. Can't decide on the GPU. so I need your advice. What GPU would you suggest for someone who mainly does
-Software Compilation
-24/7 uptime
-4K youtube streaming

And how many watts of PSU should I be looking at? And what CPU cooler?

>>60046135
I don't think Intel has NVMe? Or if they do it's slower than SATA.

> like, what is that kind of speed needed for?
scratch disk for photoshop/premiere/FL studio/etc. That's literally the only reason
Yes. A scratch drive. Exactly. Doesn't the OP literally say that? Yes, it literally does. This is asked every thread and that's why it's there.

> If it doesnt help with system boot time or necessarily load times, then for what
Lots of retards buy them because they have more money than sense, even though they often get literally 0 benefit.

>>60046139
You can get SATA M.2 without the cables for the same cost.

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>>60046103
>I forgot that ReLive was a thing, they only recently released it right?
December, also there's an unofficial obs plugin for amd cards that works great

>You say I could get a 480 but coming from a 970 the difference would be marginal at best. The 580 is from what I've seen a slightly upgraded 480, so I don't really see the point

Not really, the performance difference between the 970 and 580 is quite decent. Pic related shows quite the difference between the 580 and 1060 at times, and the 970 falls around 10% behind the 1060. If you can sell your 970 for $130~ then it'll be a quite decent upgrade

>>60046103
the 580 should be slightly faster than a 980, but if you already have a 970 just get a better display and wait to see vega

Ryzen wouldn't help your GPU's performance

It's really not worth buying a high end GPU with a display like that, don't waste your money man, if you're really stuck on blowing your money on the high end get a 1080

at more customized graphic settings you should be able to get most games to 1080p 100fps + easily with a 580, plus you'll have 8gbs of VRAM now vs 3.5gbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWqF5fDAZqA

https://youtu.be/qQlJMV4t2x8?t=176

Also here's a 580 at over 1500mhz
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_radeon_red_devil_rx580_8gb_golden_sample/4.htm

>>60046113
I wish I'd have gotten an 8GB card, you're going to be using it for years right? might as well go all out on the mid range, having 8gbs has helped in a few games, RE7 at launch ate VRAM like crazy

>>60046116
Okay? But how is it better? slightly better IPS panel?


>>60046152
Get an R7 1700 and OC it to 3800+ mhz depending on your chip, no point to wasting money on an 1800X

RX 580 8GB for 1080p gaming

PSU is whatever 650W would be more than enough, go for seasonic or EVGA

see:
>>60044282

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Aren't Ryzen CPUs simply really cheap Xeons? They don't have an iGPU after all, I imagine that must drive the cost down

>>60046221
>flagship vega
But I don't think I am going to play any AAA games at all

I was hoping something like a 470 etc

>>60046245
>flagship vega
Which one are you? Probably going to end up saying get an 8GB 580 if you're going to have your GPU for a while

>>60046231
Yes. The 1700 likely costs similar to the 7700k to produce, if not less. This despite having twice the cores and more than twice the cache.
That's why Intel can't really win on a price war.

>>60046273
I'm >>60046152

I only stream normie youtube channels in HD.

>>60046284
Okay, but if you drop down to a 1700X even you have the money for your 8GB 580 right there, it's only $249 as seen here


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202280

>>60046284
RX 580

>>60046284
and if you literally do 0 gaming you could just buy any $25 GPU and probably be fine, or even an RX 550

I thought overclocking was really harmful to your hardware? yet I see people saying "just overclock the Ryzen" to 3.8 or 3.9

how safe is this? doesn't it harm the lifetime of the part? and someone posted a thing i think last thread about someone having problems with the cpu after overclocking it. it's probbaly a rare case but i still want to know the long and short of it.

>>60046329
Just don't pass 1.4V for daily use

Overclocking Ryzen is easy, you can usually get to 3800mhz at 1.35V

>>60046307
>>60046308
>>60046316
Did Vega get released? Okay, I'll get a 1700X and a 580

Now the real question is how much on PSU and what cooler? My only corcern is that it's going to be on 24/7

>>60046152
>I have decided to get a Ryzen 1800X
Unless you absolutely need the few extra MHz, going for an r7 1700 with watercooling / $90 air cooling will end up much cheaper and perform 2% less at worst than an 1800x
Only difference between the ryzen R7 are the clocks, but any ryzen cpu hits a voltage wall at 4GHz and can achieve 3.7GHz without any problem without cranking the voltage much (if any). You'd be saving an massive amrimprove your setup.

>>60046341
Vega isn't out yet, barely know anything about it

What country/budget?

>>60046341
5xx series is not vega, it's the 4xx series with improved pcb & silicon with quite higher clock

>>60046329
This isn't 2001. Overclocking has come a long way, there's even automatic overclocking so that your lazy ass won't have to do anything except install software and push a button. The downside to this is that the voltages tend to go all the way up to the safe limit because it is an inefficient way to overclock.
In AMD's case with Ryzen they have CPU versions that overclock themselves.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xwytBP or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dwmmHN?
>inb4 1080p monitor with high end GPU
I have a 4K monitor already

>>60046344
Thanks
>>60046353
Australia, $1800
>>60046354
Oh okay

>>60046152
>I realized that for the most of the things I do I require a decent CPU, not GPU. So I'm looking for a new build with a good CPU and a somewhat passable GPU

>I have decided to get a Ryzen 1800X. Can't decide on the GPU. so I need your advice. What GPU would you suggest for someone who mainly does
An RX550 would be the minimum that supports 6 monitors and it's a <50W card. But I wouldn't recommend it at $80.. maybe $50-$60.
Maybe get an RX460 which sometimes go on sale for $70, or the RX560 which I think should be around $125.

>-4K youtube streaming
You don't need a GPU for this. a 1800X can decode 8K.

>And how many watts of PSU should I be looking at? And what CPU cooler?
420w Seasonic fanless would be a good choice.
And for cooler, maybe a C1. Not sure if Scythe Mugen is doing AM4 brackets, but that's also good. Just some 140w TDP cooler is more than you need but may as well go for that for quietness.

>>60046367
I checked out the keyboard and looks like it's a normal keyboard but with leds, that cost $64. Not sure why you picked that but you should ditch that out, you can find keyboards with backlights for $35 pretty easily.

>>60046362
>>60046340

this is gonna sound really ignorant, but why do they sell the parts at stock clock then? is it just simply that OCing depends on other hardware like a good mobo so they just clock it at a standard rate? there's really no detriment to OCing your hardware? surely there's SOME tradeoff?

>>60046367
Dude. Get a 580 and upgrade to the R7 1700, you're going to have your CPU for a long ass time right? might as well have the 8 core.

It's not like a 1070 can do 4k anyways, a 1080 is like 80% there

and why the tiny mousepad?

That RAM won't work at 3200mhz, you need Samsung B-die to hit high memory clocks with Ryzen, I'd maybe get Ryzen certified RAM with a lower clock instead, you most likely won't be able to get 3200mhz anyways


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232546&ignorebbr=1

and why not get a 1080p IPS display?

>>60046221
As I said, I'm not convinced by Vega. It'll probably be cheaper than the 1080ti by a lot, but performance-wise it's apparently slated to be roughly the same or slightly higher.
Getting a 580 as some kind of stepping stone is not what I want to do. I'll end up spending more money for more hassle when all I want is the best performance I can get right now. Speculating about Vega and how it might be fantastic 6 months from now is not particularly productive imo.
Regarding Volta, previous ti cards have been similar in performance to the high-end cards of the following generation iirc, so that's also an argument for the 1080ti. You mentioned the VRAM on the 580, which is a good point, and also part of the reason why I want the 1080ti over the regular 1080, because the increased VRAM is tempting. Getting cucked by the 970 is not fun when games start to stutter horribly.

It's probably fairly clear at this point, but I don't want some kind of compromise. I've compromised the last 10 years, and I always end up disappointed every single time.

I hope my post isn't too disjointed. I'm juggling a few different threads on a few different sites so I don't always remember what I post.

>>60046407
>surely there's SOME tradeoff?
Increased power draw and runs hot if you're on a stock cooler.

>>60046378
Good question, what do I need a GPU for actually? Without does Ryzen have iGPUs?

>>60046373
And that's the budget for the whole PC?

PCPartPicker part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gtH7qk
Price breakdown by merchant: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gtH7qk/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($519.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D9L 46.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AX370-GAMING 5 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($289.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB GAMING X Video Card ($329.00 @ Shopping Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($146.30 @ Skycomp Technology)
Total: $1368.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-24 16:57 AEST+1000

I can't be fucked to wait for Vega, I'm sticking with my rx480 until Navi or whatever comes with matured HBM2 tech.

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buy or no buy? no opinions just tell me if it's proper.

>>60046407
Higher power consumption (and heat output) is the tradeoff.
Also, as you said OCing depends on mobo but also on the cpu itself. OC abilities vary greatly from one mobo AND cpu to the other, and so does the power consumption & heat output change induced by the OC.

They don't sell every single cpu at high clock to avoid forcing you to buy a cooler and for market segmentation purpose. R7 1700 is a 8 core low power, 1700x is a 8 core with decent clocks for people that want more performance, 1800x is for the best performance. R5 1400 is low clocked to offer low power but still good performance cpu, etc etc

>>60046452
I only need Mobo, RAM, CPU, GPU, fans, and storage

Thanks very much for that list, anon

>>60046407
Because the 1800X hits it's clocks at the same voltage a 1700X requires to hit lower clocks

like an R7 1800X may require 1.3V to hit 4ghz, while an R7 1700 may require 1.4V

running at super high voltage will degrade your CPU, but it's stupid to do so outside of competitive overclocking

>>60046462
hdd & case are overpriced (unless you're in australia land or something), otherwise looks pretty solid.
make sure not to choke on the cooler though!

>>60046462
>full tower
this is a small fridge, get a midATX case
>seagate
death to your data
>G3 PSU
at least you have some sense
>LED RAM
fuck that garbage, every little bit of voltage counts
>delidlake
fire burning
>choking hazard
you are like a little baby

>>60046408
>you're going to have your CPU for a long ass time right?
This is different with AMD.
Lots of us remember 2000-2009 and when we upgraded our CPUs every few years and could keep the last motherboard often.

Lots of us getting 6 cores now and upgrading to 8 better cores fairly soon.
None of us really expected to be getting 6 strong cores with SMT for only $220 to begin with.

>>60046462
I wouldn't get Seagate, though some people are swearing they're reliable now.

You also forgot to include the delidding service charge.
I don't think a C7 is really enough for a 7700k like it is for Ryzen, too. I would only recommend that for a 7700-nonk. Though delidded, it should do decent enough.

>>60046404
I wanted cherry mx red switches, that was the cheapest one, unles you can find one cheaper

>>60046504
who the fuck in Intel decided to skim on the TIM again, this is worse than Haswell first run

>>60046485
So what's a stupid high voltage? 1.4+?

>>60046477
>>60046440
Thank you for the explanation.

>>60046527
Anything over 1.3V

1440p 60fps
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7JqPHN
$1500 total budget

>>60046423
It's still pointless to buy a high end GPU with your current displays, and if nvidia "cucked" you before why support them again?

Going past 8gbs of VRAM is pointless for gaming, it's only useful for production applications

the 1080 is the card you want if you're dead set on a high end GPU and even that is overkill

by the time you get your high end display the 1080ti will be outdated and a faster GPU will be in it's price point

>>60040569
Get a 1080 instead. My buddy just got a 3 fan 1080 for $530CA from Direct Canada. I feel like we got fucked by the Nvidia price drops and the 1070s barely changed in price.

>>60046530
what is the default setting? I thought either AMD or one of the mobo brands said 1.35v was pushing it. But even 1.3v is too much?
if i'm getting a 1700 should I just OC to something like 3.5-3.6 with a modest voltage?

>>60046484
just try to find Ryzen Certified RAM if at all possible

2400mhz or higher

>>60046462
Absolutely disgusting see:
>>60044282

What display do you have?

>>60046527
1.4V should be pretty safe for Ryzen

>>60046534
MLC SSD with Taiwanese Phison controller, interesting how they claim to be first

>>60046500
MidATX will house those components?

Never bought seagate before so I'll drop it going by your advice

they say the LEDs don't interfere with the ram voltage

meh KBLakes aren't even that good might just go nonK skylake

>>60046546
No. 1.3V is a safe cap. In some mobos they cap OC voltage to 1.3 so you can't go over it, you need to go into BIOS to then disable it if you want to go over 1.3V. This is what some Intel mobos use.

>>60046566
>just try to find Ryzen Certified RAM if at all possible
Thanks for the heads up. Any other tips?

>>60046566
you see me wanting to build an intel workstation and you refer me to an AMD build? Come on guy.

>>60046534
Get Ryzen certified RAM

and for $299 you can get a 4k 60hz TN free-sync display, or an IPS one for $399, I wouldn't buy a 1440p monitor anymore if it's not 144hz

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Rk98TW/aoc-monitor-u2879vf

if you save money on your display step up to the Gaming K3


That 3TB drive is likely heavily used and won't last, don't waste your money on it, buy a New 2TB WD blue drive instead

>>60046576
ATX Mid-Tower
I have a full tower, it's really roomy and quiet
but heavy, so if you have pasty noodle arms you're fucked

>>60046408
>samsung b die
Dont the G.skill TridentZ and RipJawsV have those?

>>60046593
I don't really mind space occupation it's just that my current build is housed in a mid tower and it vibrates louder than my brothers dildo

>>60046603
>it vibrates louder than my brothers dildo
do you gently fuck him?

>>60046534
That SSD is out of stock and has terrible reviews from the look of it

>>60046588
What display do you have?

>>60046594
Some Team Dark RAM is B-die, 100% B-die is The 3200mhz CL14 G.skill Trident Z 16gb(8x2) kit, that one is the only one that's B-die

>>60046537
I highly doubt that the 1080ti will be outdated by this summer when I get another display. But I get your point

>>60046527
Over 1.3v will start to get slightly toasty without better cooling. Stock is usually around 1.2v and goes up to 1.475v on 2 cores for short periods to reach those 4.1GHz turbo clocks.

Recommended you stay under 1.45v or you degrade the CPU over enough years, and you'll want at least a 140w TDP cooler for the 1.35-1.425 range.

>>60046423
>As I said, I'm not convinced by Vega. It'll probably be cheaper than the 1080ti by a lot, but performance-wise it's apparently slated to be roughly the same or slightly higher.
You just plain stupid. That's the only way to put it. You have no basis for these thoughts, it's just your dumb gut feeling.

If you simply doubled the size of an RX580, it'd compete with the 1080Ti. Go look at benchmarks, and see where doubling the RX580 puts it compared to the 1080Ti. Sometimes slightly above, sometimes significantly below.
But Vega is not a sized Polaris, it's far more than that.
It should roughly match the 1080Ti in the worst case games for it, and I'm sure we'll see cherry picked results spammed showing those few cases it is beneath it, and it'll shame the stupid $1200 Titan Xp in the best case like in DX12/Vulkan stuff.

>>60046458
Navi will almost surely be HBM3.
HBM3 and GDDR6 both look on track for 2016.

>>60046621
1080ti is already outdated.

Freesync2 HDR support is coming later this year and Nvidia cards won't support it.

>>60046521
Israeli friends in the delidding service business.

>>60046632
I actually use a $25 Hyper T4 with my R7 1700 at 1.4V, using MX-4, although it's fan is upgraded to a 140mm Venturi fan, rarely breaks 60C

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>>60046611
>What display do you have?
this

>>60046664
>I actually use a $25 Hyper T4 with my R7 1700 at 1.4V, using MX-4, although it's fan is upgraded to a 140mm Venturi fan, rarely breaks 60C
Your point is?
A Hyper T4 with a 140mm fan is surely around 140w TDP, as I said. It's 125w TDP stock.

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Is installing Windows 7 from a thumb drive fairly simple? Got my last ryzen parts (mobo and case) coming in tomorrow, and my old dvd drive keeps getting i/o errors trying to burn a copy of 7.

>>60046672
So you have a 1080p 60hz display? maybe 1200p?

You have no reason to buy a 1080 or i7 7700K in either of those cases

https://strawpoll.com/5w2dazg

>>60046680
slipstream USB 3.0 drivers

>>60046680
It's a massive pain in the ass to get windows 7 installed on Ryzen, just start living in the botnet of Windows 10, disable the updates service and you should be fine

a ton of other services need to be disabled as well

>>60046684
Decent monitors are expensive but that doesn't mean I should abstain from buying a good PC. I can always upgrade my display later.

>>60046697
better the pain of installing windows 7 rather than the pain of going through all that crap post installation

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Cryorig AM4 kits shipped.

1600X sale pls appear in the next few days.

>>60038700
just for coffee lake you nig, it will have moar coars like ryzen, but also crushing single core perfomance

>>60046697
damn is it really that bad? I was hoping to hold out a little longer against the botnet

>>60046632
>no basis

I distinctly seem to remember people posting benchmarks on this very board with the Vega cards performing similarly to the 1080ti. Memes aside, I expect Vega to possibly perform better than the aforementioned card, but I'm not sure if waiting to Q2 2017, which in company speak will mean after summer or something along those lines, is a worthwhile thing.

>>60046659
Why should I care about HDR. Literal meme tech that I don't need, and that I would have to buy a new monitor for that would actually support it.

>>60046718
For tripple the price.

>>60046753
slipstream
USB 3.0
drivers

How do I know if a motherboard will play good with Linux or not?

deliding is out of the question fuck that. Would the 7700K still have temp issues even if I don't OC? The nonK is $10 cheaper...

>>60046778
Yes. 40C idle temps if you're not careful.

>>60046754
>I distinctly seem to remember people posting benchmarks on this very board with the Vega cards performing similarly to the 1080ti
Nope. Fake shit.

Only think they've shown is it running SWBF at 4K at a minimum of 60fps (not average), and DOOM, where it was underclocked and on old drivers.

We don't know how high the clocks will be, and don't know how much the drivers coming with it will improve things.

>Why should I care about HDR
HDR is objectively the most exciting thing to happen to monitors since "panels became less shitty quality".

>>60046768
>How do I know if a motherboard will play good with Linux or not?
forums. Level1tech reviews, too.

>>60046778
>Would the 7700K still have temp issues even if I don't OC
Yes. But the 7700 can have issues too, just less so since lower clocked.
We keep getting tons of people idling at 45-55c. One guy had a big $150 AIO and was still idling at 43C. It's a fucking joke, spending all that money just to have to void your warranty on a delid.
6700k less often have the problem, but they still sometimes have it. And 6700 clocks are pretty garbage, so don't get that.

>>60046790
Any reason to buy an i7 over an i5? Excuse my ignorance I built my current PC in 2011 and never kept up with the scene.

>>60046808
The reason is that an i5 isn't worth buying at all. They're 4c/4t.
Go look benchmarks that include 0.1% and 1% minimums and/or frametime graphs. Even the 6 year old 2700k at 4.5GHz or so is better on average even in pure gaming than a 5GHz overclocked 7600k.

>>60046825
fuck me why would intel not do a recall

>>60046808
i5s currently don't have hyperthreading compared to i7s, while all Ryzen have IBM style threading which is better than Intel's. AMD tore a chunk out of Intel's pricing range in regards to CPUs with features at a lower price point at similar performance.

>>60046825
Wait what, since when did i5s have threads now? For the longest time they were only 4 cores and nothing else.

>>60046841
are AMD motherboards still shit?

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>>60046834
why would you want to admit weakness when you can push through advertising as a form of damage control

>>60046778
>The nonK is $10 cheaper...
the nonK is clocked much lower so it's a worthless cpu. The only advantage the 7700k has is it's absurdly high clock that no other cpu can reach as easily.

Is R3SL240G a good ssd? It's the cheapest 240gb ssd I can get, but reviews are so-so

>>60046865
Man this picture is hilarious.

>>60046872
>reviews are so-so
There's your answer.

>>60046802
>HDR is objectively the most exciting thing to happen to monitors since "panels became less shitty quality".

Please explain. I know what HDR is, but I am really struggling to care or see why it would be important for games when looking at the inevitable premium that I will pay for the monitors that support it, which I am sure will be high.

As for running Doom and SWBF at 4K 60fps, the 1080ti can already manage that. Although as you said, with better drivers and so on the Vega cards will probably get better performance on release/after release. The prices for the top-end Vega card seems to be in line with the top-tier Nvidia cards though (speculated), so again, I don't save much.


Now I know I sound like some kind of Nvidia shill, but I am really struggling to find reasons to wait when I don't even know the release date of Vega cards. If I knew when it came out then I would have a reason to wait for a set date, but as it is, it might come out in 2018 for all I know since nothing has been confirmed.

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>>60046851
every cpu has threads anon. The usual is 1 thread per core, i7s & i3 are 2 threads per core
You need to pay more attention to your computer science lesson!

>>60046834
Jews. All Intel has cared about for the past 30+ years is profit margin.

>>60046867
7700 sometimes are on sale for $240-$260. That's an alright price. Even if it could use a delid, a reasonable cooler can still handle them.

>>60046881
you should be more concerned about dead or stuck pixels in either TN or IPS monitors rather than underripe technology like HDR

>>60046881
Deeper blacks. More of those colors you can see yet your monitor can't display. More detail. Why would you want 4k resolution for more pixels yet for them to not be better pixels?

>>60046885
I refuse to pay attention to Intel science lessons. I would have to pay for the whiteboard, rather like paying for my own TIM.

>>60046876
What should I get instead?

>>60046913
You forgot to name your budget.

>>60046925
100$, need 240 gb

>>60046891
There's no need to delid a 7700 because it doesn't run at very high clocks
For $240 an r5 1600 would also be a better choice in my opinion. 6 cores and clocks similarly, it's a no brainer.

>>60046946
is this Canada or AUD? You can get 500GB of a decent model for around $110-$120 so I don't know why you're struggling to find a 240GB one at that price.

960GB Sandisk was on sale for $200 earlier. I just got a 1tb ADATA SU800 for $250.

GOD FUCK MY ANUS IM GOING TO DELID FUCK

>>60046946
Crucial CT275MX300SSD1 or Crucial CT275MX300SSD4, 2nd one is faster since it's M.2, well over 2k read/write
TLC but 3D NAND and Marvel controller

>>60046966
I'm in Russia. Retailers got some fucked up prices.

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>>60046979
God does not approve of sodomy, you salty catamite.

>>60046990
See if you can pick up a Mushkin or OCZ.

>>60046899
Yes, I'm sure it looks nice, but my prediction is that it's going to be something like this

>4K HDR monitors come out
>60hz for 1k+
>No 144hz HDR monitors available
>If there are any available, probably going to cost 1,5k or more

This is going off the pricing for high refresh rate monitors when they became a thing, and how 4K monitors continue to be priced.
The premium that I will have to pay for HDR on top of high refresh rate and 4K is going to be bonkers and I'll end up paying more for the monitor than I would for my whole computer.

>>60046990
Кyдaхтepюнивepc?

>>60046999
if he doesn't approve than why did he allow intel to fuck everyone in the ass

>>60046959
Yes. That's what I said:
> Even if it could use a delid, a reasonable cooler can still handle them.

A 7700 will still benefit significantly from a delid, but a 100w TDP cooler will still handle it alright without it.
But it's a 65w TDP processor, according to Intel's site. To require a 100w TDP cooler for it is stupid. That's how bad the thermal conductivity is.

>>60047001
>The premium that I will have to pay for HDR on top of high refresh rate and 4K is going to be bonkers
Yes, they look to be $1000+.
You were talking about spending $700 on a GPU yet you don't want a monitor that actually displays good picture out from it? A monitor that'll last you longer than your GPU will? You're just stupid.
I don't understand you tards. You want to suck Huangs little SEAman dick so hard and buy his new $700 GPU every year, but you won't buy a good monitor for it.
I guess since Nvidia GPUs output inferior quality image and color, it doesn't matter.

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>>60047009
he didn't allow it, men allowed it because men have free will
god isn't christopher robin

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>>60047040
he should be

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>>60047051
you want the fate of your soul to rely on a japanese flash video game?

>>60047039
Just because I don't want to buy a 1500€ monitor right now, doesn't mean I will do so in the future.

Buying a 4k 144hz HDR monitor right now (assuming I could) would be dumb because I don't have the GPU to run it. However, buying the GPU now means I still get a benefit and I can leave the monitor for later.

Dropping 3500€ in one day is not something I like doing, especially not when it is for something as non-essential as a computer. I do this for fun, but having a top of the line computer is not something I actually need for work or to continue living.


Don't exclude an option just because someone else doesn't jump the gun and chooses that option immediately.

>>60047088
Doesn't mean I won't do so in the future*

t.
>>60047068

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>>60047088
Just play your videogames on 1080p on an overkill GPU so you never have to worry about going below 60-144Hz.

Would an M.2 stick be fine as the only storage? Why is it wrong?

>>60047138
you're probably going to end up installing windows 10 and that OS is a space hog
get a cheap 1TB HDD and cram your paging file and temp files on the HDD for a little bit more room on the SSD