systemd adopted by Debian after a jew bought the lead project

>>60031854
>systemd adopted by Debian after a jew bought the lead project
and that surprises absolutely nobody

>>60031854
>SysVinit

protip fucking retards, LSB init is not SysV

SysV doesn't fucking have shit like dependency management which is offered by LSB headers.

LSB init is not just runlevel cancer, it's a fully functioning semi-modern init which specifications for helper functions which theoretically makes it portable and very easy to create init scripts from.

please stop calling LSB init, sysv init

you fucking faggots.

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Daily reminder that systemd is FOSS (Free & Open Source Software) and that it is good software that fulfils the needs of modern devops, sysadmins, regular users and even application developers. Since work on systemd project restarted in 2010 and it's initial inclusion in Fedora Jan 2011 it has gained code contributions from over 700 developers worldwide and became the default init system and session manager in every major GNU/Linux distribution since 2012. Developers from each of these have commit access and have helped to design and shape systemd to fit their needs and unify core system between distributions over the last 5 years.

However as great of an improvement as it has proven to be it has attracted many paid trolls and mentally ill Linux users who spread lies and FUD about it, a large group of these single out developers and attack them with constant trolling, abuse, stalking and even death threats. Many of these 'people' are from the *BSD camps; after Linux usage and contributions sky-rocketed 15 years ago they have been on a constant mission to cause trouble, including making threats of violence and rape against people who create GPL licensed code.

There are also thought to be many of these people on the payroll of Microsoft to try and destroy strong powerful FOSS projects by negative campaigning. Fortunately as usual for Microsoft their FUD and paid shills turn up 4 years too late and don't have technical arguments, making it obvious what they are: paid trolls.

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"I think your attitude is pretty typical of systemd detractors, and that attitude is exactly why systemd is making a victory sweep across all major Linux distributions;

Since you are in total denial of any existing problems with sysvinit, you are of course unable to suggest any alternative to it, or begin any coherent work on an alternative to it. The denial also suggest a lack of technical insight into the problem, and the pathetic lack of any alternative development work also suggest a lack of technical ability to make such an alternative.

This seemingly leaves systemd detractors with only one option; negative campaigning. So they have wasted years of slandering Lennart Poettering and other open source developers and companies, and whining, ranting and trolling on web forums, but without any real technical argumentation.

Using derogatory terms, like "bloat", or "Windoze crap" aren't technical argumentation, just like copy-pasting unattributed quotes from random sites about "Unix philosophy" doesn't convince anybody serious either.

You are also alienating people who may have been sympathetic to developing alternatives to systemd; who wants to join a bunch of anonymous people who rant like lunatics, and who seems to enjoy smug negative attitudes against other open source developers.

So to sum up; you are just a loud minority who conducts negative campaigning, seemingly without any ability to gather people to construct a positive alternative to systemd. As long as you deny any problems with sysvinit, and deny any positive merits of systemd, you will be unable to analyse the situation and therefore paralysed into inaction. This of course will mean, that Linux distro after Linux distro will switch over to systemd. Enjoy the future with systemd on every Linux distro; your negative attitude made it possible."

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"I remember being severely disillusioned by this in my early days. I read some article that explained how a "spell" program can be written to report the spelling errors in a file. It uses 'tr' to split into words, then "sort" and "uniq" to get a word list, then "comm" to find the differences. "cool" I thought. Then I looked at the actual "spell" program on my university's Unix installation. It used a special 'dcomm' (or something like that) which knew about "dictionary ordering" (Which ignores case - sometimes). Suddenly the whole illusion came shattering down. Lots of separate tools only do 90% of the work. To do really complete work, you need real purpose-built tools. "do one thing and do it well" is good for prototypes, not for final products.
The thing that annoys me most about systemd is that I didn't write it first!"

- Neil Brown
http://lwn.net/Articles/576078/

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"The problem for Gnome and KDE is, that systemd is vastly superior to anything out there, and that it will help them dump loads of hard to maintain code, and give them easy access to make powerful distro-agnostic programs.

systemd provides a common, uniform Linux plumbing system that makes life easier for all user program developers. So of course Gnome and KDE will start to take advantage of systemd, why shouldn't they?

The main problem with those who for some reason or another doesn't like systemd, is that they are incredibly lazy. Instead of actually getting together to make an alternative development stack to systemd, they rant against Poettering and spew empty platitudes about "UNIX philosophy".

The most pathetic example of this anti-systemd laziness, is of course "ConsoleKit". It has now been unmaintained for +1½ years, but it is a crucial piece of infra-structure for any Desktop. But instead of either maintain it or make an alternative, anti-systemd people just rant against Gnome for no longer making it a priority to support this piece of abandonware. All rant and no work.
[...]
Yes, that is true last time you checked, and next KDE edition (KDE SC 5/Plasma 2) will of course also run on *BSD. But with reduced functionality on all non-systemd systems, compared with the systemd version.

This is not because of some sinister conspiracy, but because systemd offers easy use of many nice features that KDE and Gnome (and LXQT etc) would like to use, and non-systemd systems doesn't provide.

The point is exactly, that systemd is a very nice uniform Linux plumbing system, and that DE's are starting to take advantage of that."

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"I’m trying really hard not to suggest launchd here (so I won’t). The idea of registering everything up-front with a broker and then letting IPC / timers / HW events start things from there (in cascade fashion) is still the right architecture. Even the linux die-hards have essentially grasped the necessity of systemd (even though they’re going to hate on it for awhile longer)".

- Jordan Hubbard, FreeBSD co-founder

>>60033999
kill yourself cia nigger

>>60033960
this got a good point

>>60034007
this is just plain bias a propaganda

>>60034007
more propaganda

>>60034020
more propaganda

>>60034032
yet even more propaganda

>>60034043
and more propaganda

OP is the less faggot here

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"I don't personally mind systemd, and in fact my main desktop and laptop both run it."
- Linus Torvalds, ITWire Interview.

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>>60034060
"I've had issues with some of the core developers that I think are much too cavalier about bugs and compatibility, and I think some of the design details are insane (I dislike the binary logs, for example)"
Linux Torvalds

http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/

I still have no clue what's wrong with systemd.
Are there ANY anti-systemd arguments that are not autism-related?

>>60034443
no, otherwise people would actually have reasons instead of bullshit.

here are some reasons for systemd:

1. services are configuration and no longer fully functioning shell scripts with all the pain of managing pidfiles, launching processes in the background, dealing with nice levels, or even ensuring a service is running. systemd slices also allows you to see what your daemons are spawning and integrates cgroup rules for you.
2. timers are persistent across poweroffs, can be traced with systemd list-timers and don't hav ethe whole email notifications, everything is logged in a central syslog
3. systemd provides a very useful syslog and will automatically redirect stdout/err to syslog for you. journald is an easier way of viewing logs for numerous tools and no longer do you need to maintain /var/log entries and do things like setting up logrotate.

overall systemd is a shitload better than the old way of doing things, making things much more consistent across multiple OSes

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>>60034443
People hate change.

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>>60031854
>Do you want a suite of well designed software
>systemd
>well designed

>>60033999
>OpenRC 14,183 lines
>systemd 361,581 lines

>>60031854
>>60033999
>>60034007
>>60034020
>>60034032
>>60034043
>>60034060
>>60034114
>>60034738
Daily reminder: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>60034792
Some anime slut with a weird shaped head is not an argument, bud.

>>60034989
>open a random link called "Systemd? More like Shit-stemd"
>it's an autistic neckbeard going "THIS IS NOT HOW YOU UNIX"

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>>60034998
>needing arguments when the lead doesn't even know how fucking Linux works in the first place
I sure do get the warm and fuzzies when a Windows dev starts writing broken shit and claims that Linux acts the way my shit does.
>doesn't know enough about Linux to stop systemd from recursing on ..
>"""high quality"""

>>60035039
But why are you lying nigger? Anybody who opened that link will know you are lying.

>>60035127
Well, did you?
http://wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-shit-stemd

>>60035146
>http://wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-shit-stemd
>https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwithout-systemd.org%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FArguments_against_systemd

I recommend getting your eyes (preferably your brain) checked if you are saw some similarities between these links

>>60035182
>http://without-systemd.org/
Did you open that link, you stupid nigger? Where do you think I pulled that blog post from?

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>>60035207
>Being an austistic nigger

>>60035242
desu the dash filename exposes issues with shells and other programs more than systemd
systemd devs don't know about issues with these though so they ended up naming it that way

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>>60035242

(((systemd)))

>>60035288
So while you are at it, explain the rest of the links as well. Preferably in an organized, well formatted way. Or should I post more screenshots?

>>60035348
I CANT CLICK LINKS IN THE IMAGE TARDFACE

Started using linux when out of all mainstream distributions only debian was using it (wheezy).
Haven't had much time to get accustomed with alternatives, for a single-user-system user I'm proficient in systemd enough for it to not cause me headaches on a daily basis.

Isn't it essentially what the community of desktop linux users wanted?
And solution that's so easy to understand that people won't bother you with bajillion of pointless "pls halp" threads on forums?

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>>60035416
Just reading link headers is enough to activate some almonds
1/5

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>>60035495
2/5

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>>60035513
3/5

>>60035526
you sure are dedicated to software you don't like
have you considered killing yourself?

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>>60035526
4/5

Systemd seems to be poorly designed, but provides a better (good) user experience. It has had some major fuckups in the past due to this poor design though. Complaining about this is valid, and I totally see why some would want to not use it as a result. I will continue using it until we have genuine indications of it being intentionally insecure.

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>>60035545
5/5
>>60035540
Why would I kill myself when I can watch your rectums' color shift towards the left side of the light spectrum, getting more red as the time passes?

>>60035575
*right

Reminder that if you're against systemd, you're a racist, mysoginistic, homophobic piece of shit.

>>60035575
anon, my anus already has its emission peak in the infrareds

>>60035575
Where is "lead systemd developer doesn't understand . and .."

>>60035555
You can read those links if you want those "genuine indications of it being intentionally insecure". You will be surprised, not.

The main problem with systemd is Poettering's attitude. Remember when systemd hijacked/broke the debug boot param and he told Linus to fix the problem in the kernel?

>>60034858
Insane number of lines to fulfill generally the same function is a really fucking stinky smell.

>>60031854
For various reasons -- insecure design, politics, others -- I've had a strong suspicion that systemd is NSA botnet.

>>60035724
>suspicion
>NSA botnet
лoл

>>60035606
Point it out. Maybe you just misunderstood me. I mean intentionally, not ignorantly. If you're a moron who ends up designing something that's bad, that's not intentional.

>>60035786
see>>60035700
Why would they open up the system towards more attack vectors by expanding the codebase that much?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYwMzg The following exploit remained unpatched for a year.

Also refer to the other links and GOOGLE for more information. And don't get me wrong, I am not trying to teach you anything, you must have been aware of these things by a long time. I am trying to prevent you from tricking the newfags into using systemd.

>>60034738
Nigger, if you are going to shitpost against anti-systemd fags, do it properly
sysvinit relies on bash to function, which has more holes than systemd, which ACTUALLY tries to limit powers of PID 1 by not loading an interpreter.
fucking brainlets, your brains are so useless you cant even use it for proper shitposts.

>>60035972
Gonna need some citations for your bullshit claims, nigga

>>60036006
>t. windows user
fried my neurons right there, let me explain, see that first line in the image? yes, #! /bin/bash, that says which interpreter that script needs, bash is such interpreter.

>>60036192
Of cource your neurons will be fried if they are overloaded, anon. I was asking you to cite a source for this:
>sysvinit relies on bash to function, which has more holes than systemd

>>60033999
>OpenRC
>deprecated
according to whom

I get the feeling people are trying to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt re systemd.

>>60036383
No need, Poettering took care of that

>>60036240
hey, not only are systemd shills bad at shitposting, they don't know how to check CVEs.
https://www.cvedetails.com/product/34874/Systemd-Project-Systemd.html?vendor_id=15978
http://www.cvedetails.com/product/21050/GNU-Bash.html?vendor_id=72
die in a fire, cock sucking faggot, you are bad at this.

I like systemd, because it made me finally move to OpenBSD.

>>60034443
Metric shittons. Which is how we all know you're a shill, since after the thousandth time that shit gets posted, you would have gotten a clue if you weren't paid not to.

>>60036611
This argument is applicable to every single fucking product.

>>60036803
Explain how this makes the anti-systemd arguments less accurate.

Also yes, you shouldn't blindly trust every product.

>>60036803
Strange how no other product has people like you attached to them.

>>60036842
No, what I am saying is that just because some eople are normies (me) who still can't understand why systemd is so hated yet it's so widespread does not mean that they all are shills.

>>60036886
Strange how you are so focsed on hating one and only one product that you are seeing enemies in people who are not sharing your point of view.

>>60036921
Strange that you keep projecting without pause or slowdown.

>>60031854
>First off, systemd is not an init system
That's not how it was sold to us initially.

FreeBSD init is superior in every way

>>60036951
>keep projecting
lol

>>60036954
FreeBSD is superior in every way.

I actually like being able to understand my system.

nb4 LFS!
I also like understanding my system without wasting countless hours of my life. Just have it fucking doc'd somewhere. Which FreeBSD is great at.

>>60036995
FreeBSD is garbage. Doesn't even support half-modern hardware such as skylake. Crap performance all around. Package management is a joke, unlike gentoo's. Also the founders want to get something systemd-like into their system.

>>60037021
>Also the founders want to get something systemd-like into their system.
Why? Didn't they learn anything from systemd?

>>60037021
>Also the founders want to get something systemd-like into their system

Did some googling, nothing came up. Got any citations?

>>60037363
I'd like to say "because they're clinically retarded" but meh.
>>60037421
https://www.slideshare.net/iXsystems/jordan-hubbard-free-bsd-the-next-10-years

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>>60031854
Guys please stop with the nitpicking.
SystemD is starting to become a really great OS.
Now it just lacks a proper init system.

>>60037481
Moreso launchd-like than systemd-like.

>>60037676
Perhaps, though the core issues (i.e. those not related to lennart himself) remain the same.

>>60036995
>I actually like being able to understand my system.
Watching text scroll by after copy-pasting something from a manpage or a wiki isn't comprehension.

>>60037868
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/

Find me something comparable on Linux.
Closest I've seen yet is Arch wiki.

>>60037943
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en/red-hat-enterprise-linux/

>>60037968
I stand corrected.

Why the fuck couldn't this had come up on Google back when I was a Linuxfag.

I still feel BSD is overall better documented (like when you get to hacking), but that's enough for me to drop that criticism.

>>60035871
Because they're stupid, that's why. I don't think it holds to argue that it's a fact that it's malicious.

>>60034443
When you declare all the arguments are related to autism you are showing your own autism.

>>60034858
This alone is proof enough against adoption of systemd.

Another problem with systemd is the idiots forcing everyone to using. The systemd devs demanding the tmux devs a code change was too much of too much.

>>60039567
Why should OpenBSD devs cater to Linux's shitware of an init system?

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>>60035495
>>60035513
>>60035526
>>60035545
>>60035575
>splitting up the webpage into 5 separate images
>using jpg instead of png

???

>>60031854
I don't like spending hours investigating why my /tmp is a fucking tempfs without me telling so, never gonna trust that shit ever again

>>60039876
Why would you not want /tmp to be stored in RAM?

>>60039900
Because Firefox, Audacity and more use /tmp.

>>60039967
Well yeah, but how is that an issue? Do you only have 512MiB RAM or something?

>>60040013
I have 2GB and 1.some are usually taken by software. But that's not the point, why should that piece of crap decide I'm better off with something completely insensate? You would have just needed one line in fstab, I needed hours and a 15th or some post in an unknown forum to correct that idiocy

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>>60031854
has anybody forked systemd and removed everything except the init stuff

>>60039783
this whole wiki just screams autism

>>60040125
u should of download more ram or move to a non shit machine

>use sysvinit
>want to shut down computer
>type 'init 6'

>use systemD
>type poweroff
>THE SYSTEM WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN IN T MINUS 6 MILLION MINUTES
>doesn't work anyway, just takes you to runlevel 1 or something

>>60036192
it says #!/bin/sh you fuck

>>60037968
only applies to RedHat derivatives

gj

>>60041061
>should of

Real 1337s use runit.

>>60039617
they obviously didn't

fuck systemdick

>>60031854
> service dummy start

you mean /etc/init.d/dummy start right? upstart isn't sysvinit.

A userland has a shell.
Explain to me why GNU has a shell and yet systemd doesn't.

>>60031854
Would you GTFO out of here with this /pol/ shit? Use Devuan if you want SysVinit. The decision has been made a long time ago.

>>60034792
I want to marry Lain!