/hpg/ - Headphone General

posting again

When plugging my m50x into my computer i can hear a feint squeaking. assuming it is my on board motherboard, and i believe it would be more expensive for me to replace my motherboard and processor so i'd rather get a dac/pre amp and new headphones.

Anyone know a nice set up that is a upgrade from m50x. Got $460 coming in next week and have some spending money in the checking.

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Second for detachable cables

>>60022606
Did you try plugging it on the back port?
Some times the front one gets noisy, back one is usually fine.

>>60022606
Open or closed?

>>60022635
Oh i'll try that when I get home
>>60022643
i don't really have a preference. i'd be willing to try open as i'd only ever use them on my desktop

Who /hd558/ here?

reposting from end of old thread:

hey guys i'm lookin for some headphones that I can wear without guilt when my head is stinky cause I haven't showered after a few days. So like, something full-sized, open-backed, very comfy, mostly neutral, but doesn't have a headband that goes over your hair, but like rests on your neck or something, idk literally anything that doesn't have to touch my hair would be fine. I don't care about budget, anything up to like $1k is fine

>>60022665
>Oh i'll try that when I get home
Oh shit nigger what are you doing

Nobody uses the front port and I mean nobody.

Typical open recommendations are:

HD600 / HD650
DT880
K702 / K712 / K7XX
Fidelio X2
HE-400i

It's a matter of finding what sound signature you may like.

>>60022685
>I haven't showered after a few days
u wot m8

Also get this:
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-KSC75-Portable-Stereophone-Headphones/dp/B0006B486K

Don't let the price tag fool you.

>Sennheiser HD 600 - 279 euro
>Sennheiser HD 650 - 309 euro
Any idiot guide to the difference between the both? Which do I purchase as a good open headphone for about 300 euros?

>>60022725
oh i had a pair of those a few years ago, they stopped working after a bit and were a tad bassy for my preferences but otherwise pretty solid. I totally forgot about them, but maybe i'll pick up another pair. thanks for the suggestion~~~

>>60022741
HD650 has a more sloped response - more bass, less highs. Might be better for listening for longer sessions as it won't get as fatiguing as the more neutral HD600.

If you can't decide flip a coin because both are good.

>>60022746
You can meme all you want but the K701 is clearer than the HD600. Bigger soundstage too.

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*snaps your path*

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>>60022781
I would disagree here, K701 is a bit veiled because of its weird frequency response past 2kHz that dips into 4kHz then rises back up at 6kHz.

Under what I consider an ideal seal I think the K701 has more mid-bass than the HD600 and even the HD650.

I'd rate the K701 the least clear out of the trio.

>>60022809
Delete tih.s

>>60022809
thats just unacceptable
what a shit brand

>>60022809
Surely if it was a problem there would be negative reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Open-Back-Professional-Headphone/dp/B00004SY4H

This is just cherry picking broken headphones in a desperate attempt to make an argument. It's like posting a Toyota Camry that crashed, does that mean all Camrys are fragile pieces of shit?

>>60022693
i'm a dolt

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>>60022928

>>60023151
go on...
>>60023113
kys

I have HD 598s and need something to complement them. Should I buy HD 650s, Fidelio X2s, DT 770s, DT 880s, or AKG 7##?

>>60022829
Haven't heard HD600, but I would agree comparing K702 vs HD650. I feel the quality of the HD650 treble is actually really good.

Sometimes I think people just read shitty reviews and spread that around as fact.

>>60022693
I use my front port because the speakers are plugged in the back.
Whats wrong with the front line out?

>>60022606
HD600 + Schiit Fulla 2 will get you started in decent sound.

>>60023268
DT770 is what compliments them best.

>>60022741
The HD650 are very close to HD600, but worse at everything, except for a bump on subbass some people do like.

Most reviewers who own both do prefer HD600.

>muh clamping force
Stop being a fat fuck

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>>60022809
>*snaps your path*
*driver imbalances your path*

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>got my pair of DT880s a few days ago
>upgrading from SR850
>100% comfy as fuck
>treble isn't as bad as I imagined

Downsides
>3m attached cable
>the adjustment system feels really badly made, there's way too much wobble/play

>>60023309
SNR takes a hit and shit like that.

>>60022809
>protonumales constantly bitch about how heavy their well constructed headphones are
>surprised when cost cutting neoplastic construction that shaves a whole 20g off weight makes for a fragile piece of shit

>>60023268
X2 -> Colored AF, they might sound good if you're coming from Beats, but trash next to HD598.

DT770 -> Closed bass canons. I haven't tested them myself, but what I hear is that the bass is similar to HD598, and everything else is worse. Might be interesting if you need a closed set.

DT880 -> they're just worse sounding, somewhat less neutral HD598s.

AKG 7## -> Known for awesome soundstage, but you already have that on HD598.

HD650 -> Major improvement over HD598 and everything else you've listed. They're almost as good as HD600. They're more expensive. Their "plus" is stronger subbass. I'd suggest HD600 unless you care about strong subbass over everything else.

A few month ago, I upgraded from HD598 to HD600, and I'm not looking back. They're better at everything.

>>60023390
What can I do if I want speakers and phones both plugged in? I'd need a preamp right?

>>60023452
>Closed bass canons
>bass is similar to HD598

>>60023452
A Sennheiser shill can't be this fucking retarded, can they?

Too many Sennheiser shills here lately. You know things are bad when they delude themselves that the HD600 has a clear sound, clean treble and great soundstage.

>>60023452
>HD650 Their "plus" is stronger subbass.
>DT880 -> they're just worse sounding,
somewhat less neutral HD598s.

lmao.

>ive only listened to 2 headphones, the 598 and 600!!

>>60023379
>there's way too much wobble/play
Premiums have loose clamp compared to the Pro versions though both have the same extremely soft pads so the driver touching your ear is common with Pros. I'm thinking of getting Pros with DT770 Velours to help with that.

>>60023452
>I upgraded from HD 698 to HD 600
So, you've never had any of those headphones? Opinion dropped, but now I know why you gave such a fucking autistic answer.

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>>60023558
Yeah fuck those sennheiser shills and their neutral headphones, pic related: clean treble

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>>60023596
>Clear sound
>Clear treble
>Great soundstage
What did Sennheiser mean by this?

>Top: AKG K702, Q701
>Bottom: Sennheiser HD 600, HD 650

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>>60023596
>>60023636
What DID Sennheiser mean by this?

>>60023577
>HD 698
How do you fuck up quoting someone

>>60023268
Since everyone and their mom is a shill here, let me give you good advice.

The HD598 is tuned to be relatively neutral and you want something to COMPLIMENT it so that removes all the other relatively neutral headphones on your list. That leaves Fidelio X2 and DT770. One is open and the other is closed. The Closed headphone may come in handy as an alternative when you don't want to leak sound or when you need isolation. Also the DT770 has strong sub-bass, something the X2 can't do. The DT770 is also strong in the areas the HD598 is weak in (bass and treble).

My advice is to get the DT770, specifically the DT770 Pro 80 ohm limited edition.

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>>60023558
Don't bully the sennshills.

>>60023650
Sorry familia, I tried my best.

>>60023636
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf

dat distortion tho

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I've been using these for awhile now and I feel like they're going to break on me soon. Are there a pair of IEMs that have comparable or better sound signature, build quality and comfort than these below $115?

>>60023682
All in the game of mid-range headphones, anon.

Would you rather have ass-wipe driver imbalance, or some distortion?

Looking for something with a microphone that matches the following:

>Budget
< $300

>Location
US

>Source
Wireless

>Type of headphone
full size

>Open or closed
Either

>Comfort level
Whatever

>Sound signature
Similar to Grado SR60s or JVC HA-RX 900s

>>60023701
>Would you rather have ass-wipe driver imbalance, or some distortion?
neither which is why i use hd600

>>60023716
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
>>60023636
>>60023648

>HD 600s are old pieces of shit from the 90s that are so dated they cant even function on modern audio hardware unless you pay at least half the cost of them for gimmicky paperweights to simulate an 80s home theatre
>HD 650s are over a decade old and just rehashed that shit from the 90s
Technology has advanced and given us much better and modern offerings. Why do people cling on so desperately to relics of the past?

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>>60023729
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>60023742
>he thinks headphone technology has been improved

it hasn't moved in decades lel

>>60023742
Good 'ol nostalgia; the HD 600s reminds me of my mother's old kitchen countertop :)

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muh set up

>>60023759
see image here >>60022586

>>60023569
Frankly beyer need to think of a better design, I got scared shitless when I was adjusting the left earcup yesterday, it was making an awful scraping sound

>>60023772
kys chink shill

>>60023742
>HD 600s are old pieces of shit from the 90s that are so dated they cant even function on modern audio hardware unless you pay at least half the cost of them for gimmicky paperweights to simulate an 80s home theatre
Uhh, I can power it on my phone and I plug em straight into my motherboard.

High impedance is great, I never worry about needing an amp due to possible varying output impedance values on my devices

>>60023452
DT770 aren't bass cannons like everyone says. They have a lot of sub bass, but not a prominent mid bass bump which makes headphones muddy.

The highs are boosted, but not piercing or sibilant, and easily fixed with eq.

Would be a good complement to most neutral open headphones.

>>60023742
>Sennheiser could release HD600/650 mk2 and idiots will clear them out

>>60023759
Aren't Sennheisers supposed to be neutral? Whatever happened to that meme?

>>60023772
what hybrid is this? Looks pretty nice.

>>60023823
But they are... for headphones.

Don't tell me you think AKGs are neutral?

>>60023855
AKGs have never been neutral, and the same thing goes with Sennheisers.
>>60023729
Are these somehow neutral graphs now?

>>60023872
So tell me then... which is MORE neutral?

>>60023268
Are you same guy from previous threads?

>>60023890
In that price range? I'm not sure, but people need to stop memeing HD 600s as neutral headphones.

Why are Sennheisers more expensive than the equivalent AKGs and Beyers?

>>60023766
Looks better irl.

It's actually pretty dark looking, despite the shinyness it has in pictures.

>>60023648
Looks it's going to sound warm as fuck.

>>60023807
HD600/650 got several tweaks since they were released.

>>60023925
Because AKGs and Beyers are inferior products.

They're the AMD of headphones.

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Slow as shit lol

>>60023922
They're less neutral compared to what full-sized similarly priced headphones?

>>60023783
I'd be scared too with that scraping sound.

>>60023975
2bh the only thing better is er4s/er4sr but who wants to wear in-ear dildos in their ears

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>>60023953
>Sennheiser is the Intel of headphones
>While snapping is an issue
Seems about correct, anon.

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>>60023350
This. Unless you need more bass the 600 is superior.

>>60023975
The only headphones that are actually more neutral than HD600 is SRH-1440 / SRH-1840 but the bass roll-off and driver distortion are bad.

There have been some discussion about the K601 being very neutral as well but them seem to have a different response than the K612 as seen on InnerFidelity.

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>>60023742
Because they are the best and most natural sounding in their price range. They are SO good that even being old as fuck doesn't stop them BTFO other headphones sometimes even pricier. And for mad cuck's reference people don't want other headphones, people want HD6xx for 10th time because they are so good.

>>60023558
Fucking wow. Nobody who owns the 600 praises the 'clean treble' or great sound stage, which it doesn't have.

You seriously sound like an akg faggot. Just earn more money and stop crying.

>>60023363
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MassdropHD6XX.pdf

I dunno, shill-kun. This seems really fucking top-tier to me.

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>>60024093
>The only thing Sennheisers have are mids
Colour me surprised!

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>>60023953
AKG ain't trash. It's just the k702 are no HD600. But they also cost much less.

The k712 are worse except for the exaggerated soundstage, yet having that combined with reasonable sound at the same time makes them appealing at their price.

The beyers, however, I can't see how to defend them. The DT770 and DT990 are just colored garbage, whereas the DT880 are almost as expensive as the HD600, but don't even hold a candle to the much cheaper HD598/599.

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>>60024125
>HD 6XXs are better than the actual thing
Kek.

>>60024093
Triggered as fuck.

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Left finished

If Sennheiser is good then why their headphones are not as good as flagships from Focal, STAX or Audeze?

>>60024156
Those are really old measurements, the HD6XX is a newer measurement.

>>60024182
Sennheisers are the designated mid-fi shitting area.

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>>60024125
These are effectively just the HD650 made for massdrop, and their driver matching is pretty good.

>>60023636
Random senn-hating anon will however keep spamming his shitty pic with a particularly poorly matched specimen of HD600.

>>60024182
Because Focal, STAX and Audeze headphones are shit. You're right, the senns aren't as good, they're far better.

>>60024245
>Sennheiser shills are this delusional

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>>60024182
Not as good according to whom?

Also, how much do these "flagships" cost? Is it fair to put them against cheap Sennheisers?

>>60024164
Good job, senpai. Keep it up!

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>>60024093
I love HD600 trebble, it's not gonna rape your ears but is still detailed and clean. Clean doesn't mean in your face or boosted.
>>60024136
Most important part of the frequency kid.
>>60024156
>>60023759
Sennheiser did small revisions to HD600 time to time so driver matching got better, but you can still cling to your old pic if it makes you calm cucky :).

>>60024258
Feel free to prove me wrong

HD600 is higher fidelity than anything those brands currently produce

>2017
>still falling for the audio jewelry meme

>>60024279
Does that make 'em neutral headphones though? eh, anon?

>>60024245
roflmao.

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>>60024291
Well said!

Shots fired :D

>>60024279
>HD 600s had garbage driver matching just a few years ago
Kek. How long has the headphone been out for?

>>60023452

>A few month ago, I upgraded from HD598 to HD600, and I'm not looking back. They're better at everything.

Stop lying. They have a more flat boring sound, less extended treble and a virtually non-existent soundstage. Midcannons essentially also nobass

>>60024415
>Stop lying. They have a more flat boring sound, less extended treble and a virtually non-existent soundstage. Midcannons essentially also nobass
You haven't heard both. HD600 is clearer, less midbass lift, more DF equalized, etc.

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>>60024303
>>60023922
>>60023997
Still with the "not neutral" nonsense?

>>60023807
Audiophools have rebought shit headphones after being convinced the new cable in a revision completely fixed it

>>60024443
>Anon unironically believes they're neutral
>>60024125
Ayyy, the only thing they have are mids :)

>>60023569
>I'm thinking of getting Pros with DT770 Velours to help with that.

do NOT mix Beyer pads for different models they will sound completely different, I put DT-880 pads on my 770s and it turned into tin world

>>60024462
>Anon unironically believes they're neutral
Go to
>>60023975

>>60024526
I don't know, does that suddenly make them neutral?

>>60022626
I don't have the balls to do that with my pair, I salute you sir

>>60024245
>>60024093
>>60024291

LMAO

>>>r/headphones

>>60024523
Well 880Pads on 770's would lose bass but if it were the other way around... (I'm used to the bass of 668B's and have the mid-bass EQ'd down do hopefully these would be a worthwhile upgrade.)

>>60024532
not him but you don't have an argument.

>>60024555
>can't prove anon wrong
>go back to redit xD

>>60022685
Take a fucking shower??

>>60024627
Posting more or less neutral headphones at a similar price doesn't suddenly make them neutral headphones, anon.

>>60023772
Would you mind listing everything pictured for the uninformed? All three things are very very nice looking. I'm looking to upgrade my portable solution.
>>60024164
You got balls man. For their price I would rather have the Oppo PM-3 but those are some of the most aesthetically pleasing headphones i've ever seen. I would kill to be able to hear them in person.
>>60024226
ur animu looks really good, how do you do that? I use this SVP thing to upscale to 120fps but thats all
>>60024555
dat reddit spacing lel

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>>60024662
>ur animu looks really good, how do you do that? I use this SVP thing to upscale to 120fps but thats all
What the actual fuck. I'm doing nothing special.

That's just "[HorribleSubs] Eromanga-sensei - 03 [1080p].mkv" as played with current mpv (0.24.0), on Linux, with vo=opengl. No magic involved.

Screenshot was taken by pressing s while paused on that frame.

>>60023452
>X2 -> Colored AF, they might sound good if you're coming from Beats, but trash next to HD598.
Plenty of people like colouration. I think the X2's are shit for other reasons, but just because they're not "neutral" isn't a reason to bag them. A shit comparison to 598's as well, though afaik Senny doesnt have anything that even sounds remotely similar.

>but what I hear is that the bass is similar to HD598,
Are you fucking retarded? Nobody has ever said that. All you have to do is look at a frequency response and know that that is hugely false.

>DT880 -> they're just worse sounding, somewhat less neutral HD598s.
Better imaging, less boxy soundstage, better build. treble peak isnt great tho.

>AKG 7## -> Known for awesome soundstage, but you already have that on HD598.
Nearly all of the AKG mid-tier open back line has far better soundstage and imaging than any 5XX/6XX Sennheiser.

>>60024721
s-sorry

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>when you don't order with prime but they get here like they where ordered with prime

Pls don't let me down, /g/

>>60024744
>soundstage
>real
>>60024754
Try them, post your impressions. I really like these poorfag headphones.

>>60024754
They can be damn uncomfortable to some people. I hope you know good replacement pads.

>>60024771
>>soundstage
>>real
Now's not the time for memeing, anon.

>>60024771
>>soundstage
>>real
I mean, in comparison to speakers, sure it hardly exists, but it is noticeable when comparing headphone to headphone.

>>60024744
>Nearly all of the AKG mid-tier open back line has far better soundstage and imaging than any 5XX/6XX Sennheiser.
I do believe them competitive with 5XX, as the FR do look good.

Against HD600? Except for the exaggerated soundstage (which is just one kind of coloration), most reviews I've seen say otherwise. Ignoring the reviews, the FR alone says enough.

I will however grab some k712 in the future just to play around with, because decent FR + soundstage.

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Hey /hpg/, could you kindly identify these?

https://youtu.be/1jre6_FBBc0?t=255

>>60024788
SR850's come with velour pads. Its the 668b's that you're thinking of that have shit stock comfort.

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>>60024750
I didn't mean to scare you.

>>60024793
>AKG
>Decent FR

Hahahahahahahahaha. AKG is the absolute worst in FR. At least go DT880.

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Right. Did a little braiding

>>60024799
HD25

>>60024799
HD25 Adidas.

>>60024807
>At least go DT 880
>No detachable cable
What did he mean by this?

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>>60024807
> AKG is the absolute worst in FR. At least go DT880.
With their massive treble peak? You must be trolling.

>>60024856
see:
>>60023596

I ain't trolling, kiddo. AKG headphones are garbage.

>>60024856
DT880 is bright but it has a very smooth response.

AKG K7 series on the other hand is pure kek.

>>60024868
No problem with my Q701s here, familia. Why are you recommending non-detachable DT 880s, anon?

>>60024771
>>60024788
What's a good way to test these? Just listen to different genres and different volumes?

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>>60022586
so my bose earphones are starting to go, and i have about 100 dollars in amazon gift cards to spend. Does anybody have experience withe the shure SE215 earphones. Specifically how comfortable they are for long duration's.

>>60024901
>dt880 cable snaps
>get replacement from beyerdynamic
>problem solved

>>60024914
Listen to whatever you previously listened to

>>60024922
They are extremely muddy but the build quality and accessories are really nice.

>>60024922
GR07 Bass Edition > SE215

>>60024928
>Having to get a replacement headphone every time your cable breaks
>Not just switching over to your spare cable
Cancerous.

>>60024901
>No problem with my Q701s here, familia.
sasuga akg owners

they are untrained as fuck when it comes to listening

>>60024975
Own the entire trio (K701, DT880, HD600).
K701s are fine desu, best at classical music.

>>60024961
>every time your cable breaks

oh gee, it's like my cable breaks every day

>>60024975
>Anon mentions ear-rape treble
>>No problem with my Q701s here, familia
???

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>>60024985
>K701s are fine desu, best at classical music.

>>60024992
>Cable breaks
>Has to grab a new headphone
Vs
>Cable breaks
>Has to grab a new cable
Gee wiz, I wonder which one...

>>60025009
He means that anon is not experienced enough to notice the flaws in his AKG headphones.

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>>60025017

>>60025030
>>No problem with treble here, familia
Seems like Sennheiser wearers just can't into treble.

>>60025054
>>60023759
sure looks like no treble to me

>>60023772
Please what are the headphones and DAP?

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>>60024303
>understeand that you got BTFO
>b-b-ut they are not n-neutral lol!

They are minus midbass hump and sub bass roll off. There is no concrete response target, even for speakers where it was researched way before headphones. But here is something from Harman and Tyll that had a correspondence with them.

>Sennheiser HD650, an open headphone, follows the curve well, with a bit less bass extension and slight midbass warmth:
>http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/acoustic-basis-harman-listener-target-curve#0JTX3kYtXrTSb17S.99

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>>60024897
FRs: http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=573&graphID%5B1%5D=703&graphID%5B2%5D=2621&graphID%5B3%5D=963&scale=15&graphType=0&buttonSelection=Update+Graph

DT880's bassy, has an odd midrange, and that sibilant +8dB swing at <10KHz. Compared to that, the AKGs do at least not have any glaring flaws.

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>Projecting
>Sennheiser wearers only have mids to gloat over

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What is one step up from the Sony MDR7506s?

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>>60025095
Speaking of which that >>60006905 anon from previous thread that was asking about closed 'end game'. Oppo PM-3, closed planars for 400$ with a neutral sound.

>>60025123
In my experience, the DT-880 is less sibilant than the K701, but is also a lot less detailed. FR doesn't say everything.

>>60025123
What's so odd about the midrange on the 880's aside from being a bit recessed?

>>60025133
for
>>60025095

>>60025150
See for a major upgrade.
>>60025150

Or DT770 for less expensive.

>>60025150
These sound better than the HD600, which for a closed headphone is really fucking impressive.

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>>60025123
akgs are shit

>>60025150
Thanks anon, will add these to the list with TH X00.

>>60025150
Meh, DT250 is better.
>>60025192
Nice bait.

>>60025211
>Cluttered mess
What's even the point?

>>60025232
Have you heard them?
You haven't.

>>60025232
>Mad his open-backed headphones are beat by closed-backs.

>>60025243
I own them, kiddo.

Got bored of them after a few months.

>>60025260
Prove it. Pic + timestamp. You can't.

>>60025260
A timestamp and pic of source would be nice :)

>>60025269
>>60025270
Don't feel like doing it :^)

>>60025282
>pussy excuses
Yeah, thought so. Keep talking out of your ass though.
>WAAAAAH my $250 headphones sound worse than $400 headphones

>>60025282
>Anon is unable to do so
>Anon doesn't have a phone beside him to take pics on the spot
Kek. Dropped.

>>60022586
who is this qt

>>60025291
>>60025293
Uhh, okay. It's funny because I own DT250, HD600, PM-3.

>>60025311
Then prove it, buddy
Protip: once you get called out for your bullshit, it's best to stop posting instead of digging a deeper hole

>>60025307
Just another cartoon, move on.

>>60025282
>Sennshill BTFO
Feels good inc.

>>60025311
>Autist trying to defend himself
Post a timestamp of headphones w/ source and we'll stop bullying your boy pussy :)

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>>60023787
NiceHCK DZ9 on aliexpress, actually made by a company called gleam audio
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/dz9/1825606_32719903946.html
https://world.taobao.com/item/527714073624.htm

paid ~$400

>>60025086
see above for headphones
DAP: cayin n5
amp: aune b1

>>60024662
if the n5 is more than you want to spend i think the n3 is out which is cheaper, still gr8 specs tho

>>60025329
I don't have to prove anything. I probably own the most headphones in these threads yet I've never posted a picture of anything.

Feel free to dismiss my posts, I really don't care.

I also have a strong preference for neutral headphones hence why I don't prefer the PM-3 as compared to my other headphones. They are still very good headphones.

>>60025192
Do they really?

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/OppoPM3SampleB.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf

They do seem pretty decent, but the HD600 FR does look way better, except the weaker bass... if I were into strong bass, that is.

PM-3 are quite impressive for something closed. Yet, on the setting I'm thinking off (at the office @work), the strong bass doesn't seem like something I'd enjoy.

>>60025358
>Three headphones
>Most headphones in these threads
Ha! Please leave the general, anon. You've been BTFO'd enough times already.

>>60022586
Who is this semen demon?

>>60025358
You do realize that you're making whatever ideas you're endorsing look really pathetic right?

>>60025364
They are if you EQ them properly. EQ PM-3 > EQ HD600. Dropping the bass by 2-3db really helps.

>>60025390
pm3's are fucking amazing, tick so many boxes

>>60025364
I feel like the MDR-V6 or MDR-7506 and DT250 provide a more neutral experience than the PM-3. The PM-3 is good if one wants the more Harman signature sound (though it's not fully there).
>>60025385
Nigga, I own/owned over 100 headphones.

You can laugh this off but I like trying different headphones, selling and buying new stuff, and giving away shit that I can't sell to friends.

>>60025390
>They are if you EQ them properly. EQ PM-3 > EQ HD600. Dropping the bass by 2-3db really helps.
The same argument can be used for the HD600. Bringing EQ in is pointless.

>>60025411
I doubt you own any more than three. Any timestamps, anon?

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rate my t40rp's, zmf pilot pad and lambskin, cottons weighted in the cups.

>>60025411
Your claims are false until you substantiate your evidence. It's very easy to take just one picture and BTFO everyone talking shit. Yet you don't do it.

>>60025432
Re-read what I posted. I EQ both headphones, though the HD600 has a good enough FR that it doesn't really need much EQ.

>>60025432
>EQ PM-3 > EQ HD 600
>EQ > EQ
>The same argument can be used for the HD 600
What did anon mean by this?

>>60025446
>Re-read what I posted. I EQ both headphones, though the HD600 has a good enough FR that it doesn't really need much EQ.
Doesn't make sense because whatever you can achieve with EQ on one headphone you can achieve it with the other. Both are equal in this regard.

>>60025470
Saying sound quality == frequency response is a gross oversimplification.

>>60025446
>>60025436
Think about this. Does posting a picture make any claims I make accurate? It makes me more credible but I'm more concerned with the accuracy of the information in the posts.

And no, I refuse to post a picture, never have, never will.

And again, I'm biased to neutral headphones, that's where my preference lies.

>>60022586
Is that a penguin?

>>60025498
Now that you mention it, yeah, I probably should've just disregarded your retarded claims from the start.

>>60025389
>>60025307

An Emperor Penguin

>>60025498
I don't think anyone will listen to you if you can't even post a single pic of your 100+ headphones, anon. Just to make sure you aren't lying.

>>60025482
It is the most important factor.

>>60025545
Ewww, gross.

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What is one step up from the Sony MDR7506s?

>>60025545
But certainly not the only factor.

Without EQ, I'd definitely take the HD600 over the PM-3. With EQ, I'd probably still take the HD600 because it's just so comfy, but in terms of sound quality, the PM-3 wins.

>207 replies
>37 posters
Is this what /hpg/ has become? What happened to the at least 70 posters from the past?

>>60025566
Elaborate further.

I'll tell you why your reasoning is shit.

>>60025578
It sounds better. Not much to elaborate on.

>>60025588
So arbitrary personal preference? You never had an argument in the first place.

>>60025605
My argument is that it sounds better.

>>60025616
Prove that it sounds better.

>>60025623
I listened to it and it sounds better.

>>60025623
HD 600s aren't exactly the most detailed headphones, anon. Not a big surprise $400 headphones beat a $300 pair.

>>60025623
planar do sound better. the speed and decay is superior.

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>>60022809
Obviously stepped on or abused Above and Beyond. I feel Ya, at this price they should be Titanium. Nop e. They just sound Really Good.

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>>60025509
Yes, from left to right
Rock hopper penguin, Hululu, Royal penguin, Emperor penguin and Gentoo penguin

>>60025633
Hmm, well I listened to both and I think the HD600 is better. Maybe I'm deaf?
>>60025651
They aren't and I never said it was. The ER4SR is much more detailed and is by far the best thing I've heard besides listening to speakers in a good room. Don't confuse me for the HD600 shills. The HD600 is an excellent headphone but it has limitations. I think it sits atop the hierarchy of headphones for its neutral frequency response. Personally I use an equalized HD800 as my main headphone.
>>60025658
>>>/6moons/

>>60025699
>Hmm, well I listened to both and I think the HD600 is better. Maybe I'm deaf?

Did you EQ them properly? They need to be dropped 3db around 8khz as well as a general bass reduction.

>>60025724
It doesn't need EQ, it sounds good as is, just a tad too bassy for my tastes (talking about the PM-3).

>>60025736
I guess we just have different ears. I can't stand the PM-3 for most songs without EQ, but with EQ I find it better than the HD600.

>>60024662
>SVP
there's your problem

>>60025658
put your trip back on anonymous of Indonesia

>>60025651
>detail
muh detail.

Currently have Sennheiser 471s, no complaints but could use better, reccomendations? 300~ budget

>>60025806
muh soundstage

>>60025564
DT770

>>60025498
So in your opinion, what's the most neutral closed headphone? DT250?

>>60025806
>>60025824
Sad :(

>>60025840
I haven't kept up with the closed headphone thing but maybe DT250 and MDR-V6 or MDR-7506.

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sony-mdr-7506.php

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/oppo-pm3.php

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/beyerdynamic-dt-250-250.php

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/beyerdynamic-dt-250-80.php

DT250's channel balancing might be shit, driver yields don't seem to be consistent.

>>60025033
tfw to intelligent too listen to akg headphones

>>60023379
>Implying a 3m attached cable is a downside
>Not using swinging your Beyerdynamics like a mace
baka

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>>60024820
>>60024838
Wow, that was quick. Thanks guys.

Pic related is what I own.
Does /hpg/ approve? I haven't seem them mentioned here much.

Accidentally had a chance to buy them super cheap. Sound decent to me, and sit comfy. However, I think the MDR-V300 I had a while back had a jucier bass if I remember correctly. Like, it's not missing here, and it wasn't overpresent there, yet a little more livelier. Anyone else had a chance to compare these two?

>>60023379
How's the sound different from the SR850? I'm using 668B's which use the same drivers

>>60026174
SR850 != 668B

It's a HD681.

S/PDIF or USB?

>>60026190
Huh, Today I learn. I've had the 681's as well, what's the difference between SR850's and DT880's in terms of sound?

>>60025871
>>60025840
I use the HD380 Pro as headphones @ work.

They do surprisingly well. They weren't expensive.

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-380-pro.php

Is the Magni 2 Uber a good value or is there anything better I could get for less? I need the preamp out

>>60025968
Flails werent real weapons, your Beyers would be useless as a weapon

i got a siberia v1 headset for free cus one of the earphones has no sound.
odds of this just being a bad cable?
how the fuck do i open this up without breaking the plastic

>>60025968
>200GBP
>Non-detachable cable
Beyershills will defend this ;-;

>>60026209
I'm not the guy who posted the picture of the DT880.

>>60026232
>>60026267
Calm down anon, I was only joking around with you :^)

>>60026232
>Flails werent real weapons
how come they were used historically then?

>>60026216
The Fulla 2 gives you preamp outs (with and without volume knob), a decent amp (for being usb powered), portability, a good dac and a line-in while at it.

It's significantly cheaper than a Magni 2 Uber and, imho, if you're to buy schiit hardware, Fulla 2 should probably be your first device, as it's the best value/money they've got.

>>60026303
Where do I sign up to shill for schiit?

How much do you make per post?

>>60026299
Theyre imaginary bullshit monks doodled on pages. Any in museums were decorations or rfakes made in the 1600s-1800s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-y6oirEsZA

>>60026303
I dont need portability and the Fulla 2 seems cheap and flimsy. Even if I didnt need the preamp Id choose a magni U over the normal one for the better build quality alone. Im also not certain if the Fulla 2 can drive headphones like the 650 all that well.
Any recommendations on DAC/AMP combos under $200 besides the Fulla line?

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>>60023665
What headphones does she wear ?!?! I was wondering if there was a pair that is analogous to what she's wears

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>>60026316
If I was a shill, I'd be redirecting him to the more expensive products. He already looks like he's gonna buy.

Anon, use your brain.

>>60025828
>DT770
80 or 250 Ohm?

How do these compare to an audiotechnica pair at the same price point (for someone who's listened to both)?

>>60026396
Schiit Stack (Magni2/Modi2)

>>60026452
Thats not under $200 and Magni 2 doesnt have preamp.

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>>60026396
It's cheap, sure. But it seems pretty solid. I own one and I'm pretty happy with it. I use it at work every day.

If you want dac+amp under $200, I'd still suggest getting the Fulla 2. You can always get a magni2uber later down the road, and then you'd use the fulla2 as dac only. The fulla2's dac is the same chip the modi2 has, and unless you need spdif in (modi2uber/multibit) I can seen no advantage to modi2 against fulla2.

>>60026448
Bampu

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Does anyone here know about speakers?
Any brands you can suggest
Just desktop speakers

>>60026489
Have you ever thought about adopting a tripcode? Seeing as you attach a screenshot each time you post and all.

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>>60026435
idk, do not know them. In anime, there's a lot of AKG and Sony for obvious product placement reasons. These aren't AKG, so they might be something Sony. It might also be they're not pretending to be some irl-existing headphones.

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>>60026515
Speakers are for plebs. What you're looking for is Studio Monitors.

JBL LSR305 are a decent starting point.

>>60026520
Not fond of tripcodes, I like my almost-anon short term pseudoanon.

I tend to just use screenshots from shit I've watched recently, while trying to pick ones that make some sort of sense in the post.

I'm definitely not the only anon that does this, either.

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>>60026561
thanks but
By the way i got a gift card for micro center one of the big box stores
Do you mind seeing if they have any good speakers. Dont know much about this stuff

>>60025623
>>60025699
>Prove that it sounds better.
>Personally I use an equalized HD800 as my main headphone.

How do you prove that HD800 sounds better than HD600? Why won't you just EQ HD600 to sound like HD800?

>>60026621
HD600 sounds better than HD800 without EQ.

With EQ they are the same.

HD800 is more comfortable (despite being heavier), it distributes weight better across the head.

>>60026489
>magni2uber later down the road
I need the preamp, Im not upgrading later Im buying it all at once. Fulla 2 would be wasting money over a Modi 2.

>>60026593
From a glance, they only have computer garbage speakers. :X

Lots of logitech & creative labs shit. Computer speakers are a major scam; many of these are seriously expensive and do definitely not hold a candle to the LSR305s.

Honestly, if I had a gift card there I'd go for something not audio related. Like an SSD, or a computer screen.

>>60026637
Ehh, forgot the Fulla 2 has a preamp but the point still stands.

>>60026636
>literally spent $600 for a marginal increase in comfort
This is the definition of retarded. Do you spend $800 on shoes because they're marginally more comfortable too? $700 on a shirt? Nigga come on.

>>60026642
got yah thanks for the advice
ill post a pic when i get the speakers

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>>60026637
>I need the preamp, Im not upgrading later Im buying it all at once.
Fulla 2 has a preamp out.

>Fulla 2 would be wasting money over a Modi 2.
How so? A modi2 is just a big fulla2 without the volume knob and the extra inputs and outputs.

>>60026561
>Studio Monitors.
Monitors are for mixing music, not listening. The HD 598, 650/600, X2, are headphones. The KZ01 is a cold, lifeless, monitor.

>>60026448
Depends on the source, 80 ohm for smartphones and pc mobo, 250 if you have an amp or a good one in your pc.

DT770 is what the M50x should sound like, they're way better, and generally regarded as one of the best closed headphones until you get in the $400-500 range.

They're super comfy as well, but they have a long cord and don't isolate as well as other closed headphones if that's a priority.

>>60026652
The entire concept of audiophile headphones is retarded. I could EQ a $30 headphone to match my HD600/HD800.

>>60026703
Then why did you spend $1000 on one? I think by your logic, you're the most retarded one here.
>inb4 marginal comfort increase excuse
Again, do you spend $800 on shoes because they're marginally more comfortable too? $700 on a shirt? Nigga come on.

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>>60026663
(following up).

So, as I established Modi 2 makes no commercial sense, I'd suggest:

1. Modi 2 Uber + Magni 2 Uber stack.
2. Fulla 2 + Magni 2 Uber stack.
3. Just the Fulla 2.

These are descending price points, and about the one sane options you have around your budget. I'm being reasonable here.

There might be some decent non-schiit options within budget that meet your use case, but I can't immediately think of any.

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>>60026691
I wonder why the website says the 80s are for Studio use and the 250s are for home use

are Panasonic IEMs any good?

>>60025144
>What is one step up from the industry standard, the headphones studios with $20k+ speakers use?
I'll get back to you on that for a small fee.

>>60026723
Magni 2 Uber provides no benefit over the Magni 2 unless you need the pre-outs or have a Modi Uber and want consistency. I'd say it's more like this:

1. Modi 2 Uber + Magni 2 Uber stack.
2. Fulla 2 + Magni 2 stack.
3. Just the Fulla 2.

>>60023759
>wtf these headphones sound like shit
>nah bro they're neutral this is what music is meant to sound like

>>60026636
Idk if you are that poster but you are talking out of your ass. Tried both with EQ and without, even with EQ they sound different. It was impossible to completely EQ out HD800 resonance. Also this >>60026652. Just another case of a retard trying to pass as an 'objectivist'.

>>60026723
>>60026663
>>60026650
>>60026396
Full disclosure: I have both the Schiit MMU stack and Fulla 2.

>>60026663
>>60026723

I do not want the Fulla 2 because I do not like the resistance on the dial or the overall construction of it.
I do not need the Fulla 2 because it isnt enough to drive my target headphones.
There is no point in me getting a Fulla 2.
I was considering a Magni 2 U because I need an amp with a preamp. I was initially asking if there were other good amps with preamps for less than the cost of a Modi 2.
Then I asked if there was any DAC/AMP combo under $200, that should have been $2550, besides the fulla.
Why are you even suggesting Modi2 Uber.

>>60026776
* amps with preamps for less than the cost of a Magni 2 U

>>60023742
>Technology has advanced
not by much

>given us much better and modern offerings
you mean massproduced quantity over quality garbage

>>60026750
Correct assessment, although you might have meant it ironically.

Headphones that come any close to neutral, like the HD600, will sound shitty to the untrained ear, which is used to beats/skullcandy garbage.

Yet everybody seems to prefer neutral after the "getting used to the sound" phase. Some anon even linked some formal study on this before. Can't quickly find it sadly.

>>60026713
Disposable income varies from individual to individual. On the topic of shirt and shoes, I just buy regular normalfag brand name stuff, nothing high-end.

>why spend $1000 for a marginal comfort upgrade
I sit at my desk for long periods, what's wrong with wanting better comfort? I dunno if I can call it marginal but the HD600 earcups are smaller than DT880/K701 earcups and my ears touch the foam and it gets warm quickly. The HD800 is probably the only headphone I can wear for many hours without even wanting to take a break and take em off. The DT880 (pro and premium) puts too much pressure at one point and the fatigue kicks in after 2-3 hours. Another really interesting thing about the HD800 is that the sound doesn't change much with fiddling on a dummy head and on a real head, it's very consistent. I previously hated these headphones but they are god-tier for EQing.

>>60026754
>It was impossible to completely EQ out HD800 resonance
Maybe you're shit at EQing :^)

>>60026793
""""""""neutral""""""""

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Budget: <= $40USD There's a little room there, but I'll get to that.
Location: USA
Source: Motherboard headphone/line out. An amp simply isn't an option, I could buy headphones for that kind of money.
Type of headphone: Over ear, Closed back
Sound Signature: Slightly bassy or neutral, is preferred. Absolutely no recessed bass.
Past headphones:

I have my JVC HA-S400, which I LOVE. I really like the V-shaped signature. Despite the V-shaped sound, there's no lack of midrange detail, especially with some EQ'ing. They're also quite loud, which makes it very easy to EQ the shit out of them using software. I really couldn't be more satisfied with them.
I got them for just under $25, and this is where my budget figure is based. I did get them on sale, but the normal price was just under $40. I could do as much as $45, but only if I had to.

I have my Sennheiser HD 201, which are what I'm looking to replace. I like them for a lot of things. They have a very detailed sound, especially when watching movies or videos. They're also nice for rock and many other types of music. The recessed bass isn't something I like, though. Also, the problems I have with the recessed bass are only compounded by the low volume. Where the JVCs are deafening at max volume, the Sennheisers simply don't cut it volume wise even at max, and it's the low volume that makes them impossible to EQ to my liking. As much as I hate to say it, I've been filled with nothing but regret since buying them. If they were 50% louder, or didn't have the recessed bass, I'd love them. But the combination of these two things...JUST.

I have a pair of On-Ear headphones that I love, the JVC HA-S400. I didn't get a pair of JVC Over-Ear headphones because I haven't seen any that were good. I'm not looking for another pair of headphones with the V-Shape signature because that's what I use my JVCs for. I guess what I'm looking for is something like the HD 201`s, without the recessed bass or low volume.

>>60026785
>not by much
No. The correct answer is that Sennheiser has updated the HD600/HD650 line a couple times already without changing the model number or the general sound signature. Newer models have lower THD afaik.

>>60026808
If I were to assess comfiness, #1 would be the chair, #2 would be the desk, #3 would be the temperature, #4 would be clothes, and #5 would be headphones.

If you're truly after comfort, then you would've spent more on the first four objects than your headphones.

I can see the consistency argument, but I can't see the "spend $600 more to get a marginal increase in comfort" argument.

>>60026776
>There is no point in me getting a Fulla 2.
You're probably right. You seem set in the "cheap is bad, more expensive is better" mentality. With that bias, you'll perceive a cheap device as shit no matter how good it is. I cannot help you with that.

>I do not want the Fulla 2 because I do not like the resistance on the dial or the overall construction of it.
You do sound convinced as if you've actually tried it and found it to be not to your tastes. Actually, have you?

>I do not need the Fulla 2 because it isnt enough to drive my target headphones.
Allow me to be skeptic, because there aren't that many headphones out there which the Fulla 2 would bottleneck.
But ignoring that, it's a fine dac and has preamp outputs. You're not forced to use its amp or dac, as it has inputs and outputs that bypass either.

>Then I asked if there was any DAC/AMP combo under $200, that should have been $2550, besides the fulla.
$2550? I'm confused. You're not limited by budget, with that budget.

>Why are you even suggesting Modi2 Uber.
Because you're suggesting Modi2, which offers no value over the Fulla2. Modi2Uber does, as it has SPDIF inputs.

>>60026831
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>60026921
not that anon, but I like it :^)

>>60026727
For gullible people.

But probably something to do with using DT770's for monitoring while tracking, which likely means they won't be hooked up to an external amp.

>>60026846

I can't believe I'm going to respond to this but I've got nothing better to do.

>If I were to assess comfiness, #1 would be the chair, #2 would be the desk, #3 would be the temperature, #4 would be clothes, and #5 would be headphones.

I already have factored in these things. But think about the chair, you're sitting on your ass all day, you can shift around for a more comfortable position. The desk stays the same. I don't see clothes being a major factor in comfort other than temperature, my room temperature is consistent.

With headphones like the HD600 my ears will begin to feel warm after a few hours of usage. Not to mention headphones stay on your head when you're using them, you can't exactly shift them around like you would on a chair (well you can but it won't make a major difference).

>If you're truly after comfort, then you would've spent more on the first four objects than your headphones.

You don't know what chair, desk, heating, AC, etc. I've got so why even make such an assumption? I think this is pointless so I won't bother getting into detail about these things.

>I can see the consistency argument, but I can't see the "spend $600 more to get a marginal increase in comfort" argument.

Maybe $600 is a lot to some people, I don't think it's much. I'm not trying to sound like a richfag here but I think it's worth it for a fucking object that sits on your head for hours every day.

>>60026840
Superlux HD 662 EVO

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thoughts? I'm thinking of saving up and getting a pair.

>>60026938
>Not to mention headphones stay on your head when you're using them, you can't exactly shift them around like you would on a chair (well you can but it won't make a major difference).

It's called taking them off and taking a break you literal fucking fat neckbeard. Jesus christ man, get up and walk around for a bit. It'll improve your circulation and maybe you'll die at 45 instead of 40. Doctors recommend you take a 10 minute break after 50 minutes of sitting down at your computer.

>You don't know what chair, desk, heating, AC, etc.
Exactly, which is why I was asking. If you've got a $800 chair and a $1200 desk, then maybe you're just a turbo bourgeois faggot with money to waste. But clearly since you're not answering, you're not.

>Maybe $600 is a lot to some people, I don't think it's much.
Then why don't you spend $600 on the aforementioned objects as well? Especially the chair, that's on your fucking ass all 16 hours or whatever you fucking stay in your chair.

>>60026879
This has been one of the more lively hpg threads in a minute, but I find this exchange the most amusing.

Anon seems to have a bias against the Fulla 2, a fine and versatile device, while not understanding what he wants or needs.

Top kek.

>>60026975
>fat

What makes you think I'm fat. I'm fit btw.

Discussing what chair and desk, etc I've got. is not the purpose of this thread.

I'm out of here, you faggots just want to shitpost.

>>60026987
Ignorance is bliss, senpai. It's a wonderful thing to watch a creature deteriorate in the frontal lobe as he continues to spew nonsense on what he doesn't want that's perfect for his needs. /hpg/ is silly sometimes; This is one of those times.

>>60027018
Nice non-argument. You have some serious cognitive dissonance or some other issue. Go see a shrink, retard.

>>60027029

new thread

>>60026932
:^)

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>>60026340
>lindyfag
>credible source

>>60027036
How is your post an argument when you've just resorted to name calling.

>>60027217
How am I supposed to argue against a non-argument? Real genius over here.

>>60026879
>You seem set in the "cheap is bad, more expensive is better" mentality.
Calm down Schiil, theres no need for you to take my opinions on the Fulla 2 so personally.
Yes I have handled my friend's Fulla 2 though never bothered to try it out. The dial doesnt have enough resistance for me and the construction just didnt feel sturdy enough.
I'd rather not have the amp as a bottleneck and I dont want to bother wondering whether or not my headphone amp could drive any headphones I consider buyng.
You know I meant $250, why do you have to be a snarky and hostile individual, your attitude makes me unhappy anon.
Suggesting Modi2U makes no sense as I never mentioned optical inputs. Sure Modi 2 offers no value over Fulla and vice versa. I have no need to put a fucking DAC on layaway. Why would I buy a Fulla 2 over a Modi 2 if I intend to pair it with a full sized amp? Can you really not conceive a single reason why someone would find a Modi 2 preferable over a Fulla 2 when stacked with a Magni in their setup?

>>60027230
Not even him, why are you so upset?

Are you upset he has disposable income to waste?

You shitpost on a consumer electronics board and you're mad some faggots spend their money in ways that you don't agree with?

I think you're the one that needs help :^)

>>60027259
>Not even him, why are you so upset?
Yes you are him. lol, try again. At least use a different cancerous emote when you're samefagging.

Anyways, you're in practically every thread spouting your garbage going uncorrected. I thought I'd put you in your place for once.

>>60027277
>he knows the identity of anonymous posters

You got me famalam :^)

>>60027290
Yep, I did.

>>60026987
I know what I want and need, I made it clear yet anons keep suggesting the Fulla 2 when I asked for anything but Fulla.

I dont even really need a DAC. All I was asking was if there were any good amps with a preamp other than the Modi 2 Uber. I understand why the Modi 2 itself is so heavily recommended for its value, but I dont know if the $50 price jump still puts the Modi 2 at a good value or if there are other competetive offerings.

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>>60027290
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>60027293
Are you the type that always wants the last response? Fight the urge and don't respond to my post, anon-kun.
>>60027310
:^)

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>>60027359
I know you are.

>>60027310
>not using kissy face with an asterisk