> 3.16.0-4

>>60018022
>Muh stability...

It's not that difficult to compile it from source if you want a newer version. Or you know... you could just use another distro.

>>60018022
what features are you missing brah?

You are using Debian Stable just before the release of a new version. Of course it is gonna be old.

>>60018022
this
>outdated and buggy software
>shit font rendering
install something Ubuntu or Arch based

>>60018022
>people actually use Debian on their desktops
Holy kek. It's for servers morons. Use Arch.

>>60018129
Debian is outdated even when new version comes out

>>60018177
Debian stable is the kind of shit you install on your mum's computer so that you can avoid a trip to your parents place every time an upstream dev redesigns their UI.

Debian testing or sid is what you should be using on your own business. Testing is probably more stable than any other distro already.

>>60018022
>Bash 4.3.30
>release date: 2014-11-07 09:19
So this is power of plebian.

>>60018223

Stable is ok if your hardware is supported, it's not like you can't run recently released apps on it.

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You can just install the kernel and de/wm from backports if that's what you want.
If you are unable to do basic administration you should not be using debian. Goodbye.

>>60018174
I'd rather use CentOS on servers!

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ayyyyy

>>60018223
Testing gets security updates much later than stable or unstable and you shouldn't be using it unless you're a Debian developer.

>>60018022

Just use Unstable if it's that important.

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Master race reporting in.

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>>60018022
>there are retards that don't know how to google how to update debian to stretch
>there are retards that unironically use xfeces
Wew.

>>60018174
>uses arsch loonix
>calls other people morons
Wew.

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>>60018022
what about it?

> jessie-backports
> 4.9.0-0
https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64

>>60018022
>> Be Me
>> Be running Debian Stable on servers for years & years
>> dist upgrade every few years with minimal down time
>> Work on debian servers via macOS & Windows 7
>> debian servers secure and strong
>> debian servers need no admin 99.999% of the time
>> xfce if i need to log into server for anything I can't do via cmd line
>> have sex with debian dev
>> Ian kills himself

>>60019994
Nigga you're still on 4.9
Come the fuck on.
Debian is for servers.

@60020125
>Nigga
Teenage reddit users and their opinions go into the trash.

>>60019964
GUI
server

>fedora 25
>4.10.10-200

>>60018223
This. But, Testing is freezing now so is outdated already. Anyone knows how stable is Sid comparing to Arch?

>>60019187
Transparency in Openbox? Tell me your secrets

i don't understand why you'd use a bleeding edge distro when you could just use debian and compile from source the three packages you need updated

i'm not going to waste time managing packages, withholding, and debugging when other people will do it for me

>>60018022
>out of date everything
>SJW infestation
>bureaucracy that makes the us federal government seem nimble and responsive

Why would you ever use vanilla debian?

>>60020228
this, my fedora """stable""" gets bleeding edge kernels apparently. Which isn't a bad thing but ffs.

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Distro hopper checking in. Very tempted to use Arch, but Debian seems to work. It's only really insecurity that's stopping me from enjoying it too much...which is ironic, because Debian == stability

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>>60020415
I used to try all kinds of new distros constantly. I've found that Debian is the only one that truly just works. Every other one has given me some kind of problem or done something in a way that I didn't like and they always felt like there was some kind of compromise. Debian seems to be the perfect balance of stability and usability. The install process is even smoother than Windows.

>>60018022
I think its interesting and funny how people seem to like the stability of windows LTSB and think it's 10y life is a good feature, but people dont seem to apply the same logic to RHEL and it's derivatives and Debian stable.

>>60020228
>>60020410
4.10.1 isn't bleeding edge, it's the current stable release, even Ubuntu ships with it

>>60020459
The thing that gets me is that Ubuntu still at least tries to be a touch up-to-date, right...but I don't want bloat. I don't want to have to add a new repo just because fish is apparently not secure enough. I guess I'd just like Openbox with Ubuntu's fresh package system instead of Debian's slow update cycle. Makes me wonder if Arch isn't just a meme.

>>60020491
ech, I don't mind it but its a bit dumb to push every dot release out instantly on Fedora. Also everyone bitching about debian didnt read that they freeze packages for 2 years of testing then release them.

>>60020501
arch with base-devel lts is fine. none of my arch installs have spontaneously combusted like the memes say, and the AUR is bretty gud.

>>60018155
>Ubuntu or Arch based
Uh that "based" shit is usually buggy as fuck
How about just recommend Ubuntu or Arch?

>>60019187
That looks good. How the fuck do you get the transparency though?

after you get sick of distrohopping you will either use something like gentoo, arch or slackware, or you go the other way and use something that works with a DE installed by default like ubuntu, fedora or opensuse.

>>60021344
I tried distro hopping but I keep coming back to Manjaro...

>>60020365
>>60021338
Not him, but compton has an option for transparency.

>>60018155
Lubuntu was fine for me.

>>60018269
>it's not like you can't run recently released apps on it.
repo mixing is considered blasphemous and it'll likely fuck your entire system up

>>60020021
>2.6.32
oh baby

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Mint is boring, what should I try next on my Acer Aspire One AO756

what kernel will the next stable have?
i need at least 4.8

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>>60021389
same here. I just switched to Manjaro/OpenRC and am trying to figure out how to install grsec, Zen, or libre-grsec kernels. installing samba to access my NAS shares was a pain because installing samba does not install 'gvfs-smb', which is necessary. I did not know this. Manjaro with systemd works out of the box.

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>>60018022
hi

>>60022830
gentoo

Install Void my friends. It's what Arch was meant to be.

>tfw forever stuck at 3.18.3

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>>60018022

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>3.10.10

>>60029811
Yeah, posting your whole desktop was totally necessary when you could have just screencapped the terminal window.

>>60029826
i dont know how to do that

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is this the new dtosekp thread

If your hardware is supported and you are getting security updates why do you need the latest version for all software?

It's not like you can't get newer software on Debian Stable if you need the new features, either via backports, compiling (and patching, and contributing to development) yourself or pre-compiled binaries directly from upstream (e.g. appimage).

>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
>From an administrator's point of view, which distribution requires more attention?
>One of the main reasons why many people choose Debian over other Linux distributions is that it requires very little administration.
>People want a system that just works. In general one can say that stable requires very little maintenance, while testing and unstable require constant maintenance from the administrator.
>If you are running stable, all you need to worry about is keeping track of security updates.
>If you are running either testing or unstable it is a good idea to be aware of the new bugs discovered in the installed packages, new bugfixes/features introduced etc.

It's not like Debian Stable is old, 2 years between stable releases is a perfectly sane development cycle.

>>60018049
Do you even GNU+Linux?

>>60029851
Gate was a disappointment.

>>60018022
At work we're still deploying 2.6.32.

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               `+oooooo:               Uptime: 4d 15h 3m
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>>60030703
yeah it's not amazing. above average, but most stuff these days is 6/10 or better compared to, say, ten years ago

>>60029842
>archnigger doesn't know how to use linux
Pottery

>>60018123
Kernel live patching?

>>60020415
Arch is pretty comfy. NixOS is also worth a try if you don't mind learning something new. It works quite differently from other distros.

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>>60030947
fuck you think you talking to bitch
and you are fucking retarded too because you can just use scrot -u. stupid ass nigga

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who gives a shit
if it ain't broken don't fix it.


i still use windows xp whenever I'm desperate to run a highly obscure piece of software that somehow doesn't have a non-windows alternative.
Newer versions do not offer a single fucking advantage over XP.
And they consume 6 times resources more for god knows what reason.

What are the new kernel feature you guys absolutely need in your desktops?

I'm happy though that I haven't had to reboot due to a security update in a while, but I would rather have live patching and never need to reboot.

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Why doesn't Debian use a linux-LTS kernel? It would at least make things look less embarrassing for me.

>>60032769
>Why doesn't Debian use a linux-LTS kernel?
3.16 is an LTS release though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance

idk why they don't call it linux-lts. probably just debian being debian with the package names again.

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                `+oooo:                  Model: 80RU Lenovo ideapad 700-15ISK 
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it just werks

>>60019095
Why

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ITT:
>what is jessie-backports?

>>60030955
>9m uptime
sure you need that

>>60018022
just backport it

I am running debian sid and I don't have this problem.

>>60020152

>@60020125
Does that include you?