Now that Ryzen is out, is there a single legitimate reason to

>>60003901
>is there a single legitimate reason to purchase anything Intel?
Only if you are a Rothschild shill

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PAJEET DONT OVERUSE THE MEMES THEY MIGHT BE ONTO US

>>60003901
Yes, there are many reasons. Have you even looked at the benchmarks?

>>60003969
I have, and all I've seen is 10% more performance for Intel at 2 times the price and 70% more CPU usage.

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>>60003997
NOOO YOU ADMITTED INTEL IS BETTER DELETTTT

>>60003960
>>60004016
Pure /v/ cancer

>>60003901
Yes, gaming.

>>60003901
RAM compatibility. Ryzen is 2133 for life if you have more than 4gb

>>60003901
No decent mini-ITX boards for Ryzen. For Intel you have gamer + midrange + budget mini-ITX boards from every brand.

>>60004053
reddit

>>60003901
Yes, gaming

>>60004067
>implying /v/ and gaymen shit isn't pure reddit
you kust be 18+ to post here

>>60004059
Objectively false.
Ryzen is officially confirmed 2667GHz for single rank, 2x8GB (16GB) RAM

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>>60004074
XD

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>>60004059
:^)

>>60004059
Why did you time travel from a month ago just to post this?

>>60003901
I'm not a poorfag and Intel processors are better supported and more optimized for most applications.

>>60003901
If you're breathtakingly poor: G4560
If you really need 25% more single core performance for some reason (at the expensive of 50+% multicore and lack of future upgradeability): 7700K

Other than that, there's not much left.

>>60003917
fpbp

>>60003901
single core performance

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>>60004246
I'd never buy a shitty 4-core stuttering housefire on a dead socket.

>>60004201
-intel - gaming (for now)
-ryzen - everything else
>>60004203
>04/07
are you from future ?

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>>60004352

>>60003901
>paying more than ~150$ for CPU
>total retardz

but muh gayms
>fuck off

sage goes in all fields

>>60004365
month/day/year

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Reminder.

>>60003901
Considering the fact that Intlel is complete shit in workloads and a stuttery mess in gayming, the only people who buy Intel are braindead poos.

>>60004484
i just read that guys twitter feed what a fucking tool Jesus he sounds like a 12 yo fanboy

>tfw when amdrones buy amd they're the ones who suffer

enjoying my intel productivity right here. I've spent 20 grand in intel CPUs.

>>60003960
can you even delid AMD CPU's?

Does anyone have experience with GPU pass-through with ryzen boards on Linux?

I'd like to get a ryzen CPU for running some neural networks and the occasional video game on Windows. Shitty IOMMU grouping would be pretty annoying.

>>60005064
theyre soldered, no reason to

because theyre not jews.

>>60005127
I know they're soldered, but is it like actual solder that solidifies or is it liquid and can be delided?

>>60005127
More expensive Intel chips have soldered case too though. Replacing that thick solder under 6950x case still makes significant difference thouth though.

>>60005166
Yes
No/Kind of.

why the fuck would you even want to

>>60005166
u wot?

>>60005064
Some madman did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOZbK3tP7EU

It's pretty fucking complex.

>>60005030
Some people refuse to buy intel because of their shitty illegal business practices, and anti-competitive behavior.

>>60005186
It wont make any fucking difference on amd
also chances of fucking up your cpu is 99.999998%

>>60005166
jewgle it. https://www.techpowerup.com/231401/you-really-shouldnt-delid-amds-ryzen-7-cpus

Even delidding 6950x with soldered case gave stronger t decrease then with Ryzen telling that they did it well.

>>60003901
I'm going to ignore SSDs and NICs (etc) and speculate on CPUs only.

the i7 and R7 lines have strong tradeoffs relative to each other and both are worth buying depending on your situation.

i3 and i5 are basically dead. I mean, they'll keep selling, but there's no reason to buy them if you're informed.

the super cheap celeron and pentium stuff is currently up against excavator APUs (which suck) but once single ccx+gcn APUs roll out it might be a complete disaster for them.

xeons have no competition until naples is out. no telling how that's going to turn out but my guess is AMD will fab a single quad ccx chip and aggressively bin+price it to undercut Intel everywhere. I don't think AMD will have an answer for the 24 core E7 chips except perhaps for those dual CPU systems they'll be trying to sell to companies.

X99 (and whatever their next HEDT platform is), while probably hemorrhaging sales right now, still has a number of advantages over Ryzen and is better suited for some extreme use cases. I think AMD mentioned they had some ultra-high-end consumer parts coming soon but I know nothing about it.

I think we might be in for a quarter or two of AMD (mostly) winning though, as crazy as that sounds.

Optane is looking goid. See tom's hardware's testing if the initial data center kit

Single thread performance, great for digital media creators

Good (enough) multithread performance. Most people don't need to worry about shaving 30 mins off a 20 hour job

>>60005252
The successor to x98 is x299and its coming out very soon with 4 to 12 core cpus


I thought you were informed?

>>60005079
it's apparently broken on many motherboards due to the IOMMU groupings being all out of whack

basically, the platform supports it, but your motherboard might not

I think Wendell had some fixes but I didn't look into it much

>>60005281
I haven't been able to follow the industry so closely lately so I might be a few weeks out of date

Why is there no AMD low end to compete with the basic Pentiums?

Non gaymers stuck with Intel..

>>60003901
i can think of TWO reasons:

>hackintosh
>mini-ITX boards are not there.

>>60005351
all of the Ryzen line is one chip. they can only bin it so much.

AMD does have offerings in that price range but they're still Excavator, not Zen.

>>60003901
Price/Performance ?
Not being bamboozled by HAVING to buy expensive ram ?
Having a real support for the products...
Can I go on ?

>>60003901

Reasons?

EVERY1 NEEDS A 4% INCREASE IN PERFORMANCE, DA FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.

Totally worth it, yeah, i loooooove paying more for a tiny performance increase.

>>60005281
i hope the 8 core skylake-x drops down in price, 12 core takes the top slot at $1700 and coffee lake 6 core coming out forcing them to drop 6 core from HEDT

they launch in a month so if the 8 core is 550-600$ id get one over a 1800x but if its $800+ screw them ether buy ryzen now or wait for coffee lake

the 1600 pretty much killed the i5 and the 1700 made whole the Broadwell E lineup obsolete

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>>60003901

DELID

>>60005428
>Price/Performance ?
The only Intel CPU that has strong price to performance is the G4560, they basically made their i3 line obsolete with that chip, and the i5 are getting whipped by the R5 in price to performance.

>>60005281
>x299
obviously you should get x399 platform
it's 100 better

Fanboy wars on /g/ rival /v/. Absolute cancer.

>>60005428
>Price/Performance ?
Intel loses here so badly it's not even funny.

>Not being bamboozled by HAVING to buy expensive ram ?
Stop memeing this, it's fucking dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Yt4vSZKVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsYOASddeo

>Having a real support for the products
What the fuck does this even mean? FUD? Fuck off with this vague bullshit.

>>60004198
>2.7THz
Where may I purchase such RAM?

>>60005351
They're coming in the form of the R3 and Raven Ridge APUs later this year. AMD has one more shot left to fire at Intel, and the only thing left standing will be the 7700K.

>>60005566
Newegg 3rd party sellers from another galaxy.

>>60004333
You're trading a lot for that tiny bit of single core performance. Price, multicore, upgrades, TDP, future-proofing, warantee if you want to delid .. you lose on literally everything else. It's still not worth it, really.

>>60005166
It's indium based solder like Intel hedt.
The solder melts at low temperature allowing you to delid with heat but there aren't much reason to do so.

>>60004059
Nigger you dumb
I could get 2667 all day long
and got 3200 out of the box on 16gb of RAM by EVGA before the 20th of march.

Normies just bought bad boards

Yes, music production. Ryzen's memory controller sucks and doesn't handle low latency very well.

>>60005359
Meme-ITX boards from major vendors are coming in July.

>>60005252
No dies besides Zeppelin and future APU die will be fabbed. >8core parts are MCM.

>>60005784
All I can find is this review testing audio related stuff on release day before any of the fixes were in place.

http://www.scanproaudio.info/2017/03/02/amd-ryzen-first-look-for-audio/

"As the silicon continues to be refined and the chip-set and drivers are fine-tuned then we should see the whole platform continue to move from strength to strength, but at this stage until more is known about those strength and weaknesses of the hardware, you should be aware that it has both its pros and cons to consider."

Doesn't sound like an open and shut case at all ..

>>60003901
isnt intel gonna just release something far better anyways?

>>60006002
Their new arch isn't out until 2021 at the earliest and it remains to be seen if it will be worth it at all, seeing as they're breaking backwards compatibility in a lot of ways. http://wccftech.com/intel-developing-new-x86-uarch-succeed-core-generation/

In the meantime, they only have the same old stale arch they've been milking to death for years now. Nothing to do with it but raise TDP to housefire levels and pray that die shrinks have some sort of effect besides lowering performance.

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>>60004203
Some people managed 3200 on my kit but I'm not quite there yet, it will happen in May when the new microcode comes out.

>>60005996
It's open and shut. Drivers does not change hardware. And even if you pretend that's possible it's what works now that matters, not what may or may not work in the future.

>>60006752
Most of those issues were already worked out in the first month. I'm really looking forward to Intel's new architecture so everyone can see what a clusterfuck it ends up being at launch.

>>60006752
I take it you'll never be buying a Pascal GPU for your music production system.

>>60003901
7700K if you want to push 144fps at 1080p.

G4560 if you're a poorfag.

That's it. All other Intel chips are currently irrelevant.

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>>60006837
>Kaby Lake

>>60006837
push 144 avg fps with stu tt er up the ass maybe

>>60003901

If you want the best single-threaded performance and/or better power efficiency. The gap admittedly is much closer this time around then during Sandy Bridge versus Bulldozer era.

Kaby Lake is still king at portables until AMD releases Raven Rridge a.k.a A series chips based on Ryzen architecutre.

>>60006880
>better power efficiency

That's complete bullshit though. Ryzen is more power efficient than any of Intel's HEDT housefires, and runs a lot fucking cooler than the Kaby Lake infernos and their shitty thermal jizz.

no CPU pins

>>60006704
what kit? mines a team ddr4-3000 so i dont expect to be able to get much more out of it.

>>60007033
Trident Z 3200, Hynix dies

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>>60007012
>letting the eternal intel unload costs on mobo manufacturers by forcing them to produce this monstrosity is a good thing
good goy.

>>60007012
I take it you've never attempted to repair a broken motherboard socket pin vs a CPU pin.

>>60005281
Considering the *-e chips are usually just the same architecture with MOAR COARZ I really dont think that skylake-e is going to bring something new to the table.

>>60007084
how do you find out the dies? any particular program or just trawling the web

>>60007151
Utilities like speccy might report it but you can always remove the heat spreader and see it yourself.

>>60007151
HWiNFO should tell you under SDRAM Manufacturer

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>>60007173
speccy said nah
running at 3.8ghz now, 1.32v

>>60007174
skhynix it is. thanks for the info.

>>60003901
I don't need a reason to purchase anything Intel.

I can buy whatever I want because I'm not a poorfag NEET faggot like 90% of the people on /g/.

>>60003901
>Now that Ryzen is out, is there a single legitimate reason to purchase anything Intel?
No. Ryzen offers more performance for cheaper. On platform that'll last for 3+ years. I guess g4560 is an okay buy, but Raven Ridge soon™.

>>60004059
I'm running 3200 without any trouble. Not currently planning to try any higher.

>>60005833
fucking hell. will the modules communicate via infinity fabric too?

is this a short term thing? ie "can't afford to do it otherwise but once this shit sells enough we'll have more dies"

>>60007102

I'm not a mongoloid who punches his motherboard socket, so no.

>>60007452
Are you retarded to look at uarch details? Zen handles lego-block-style scaling P E R F E C T L Y.

>>60007460
So you're a mongoloid incapable of lining up some pins with some holes to drop it into?

Setting aside the fact that BGA CPUs run slightly cooler and are sturdier.

>>60007472
fuck off fanboy

>>60007496
>i am too retarded to learn about uarch so please fuck me in the eyes
Okay. Imma fuck you.

>>60007512
>hurr my daddy is perfect in every conceivable way
fuck off fanboy

>>60007496
modularity that scales well was kind of the whole point of the architecture.

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>>60004484
Hmm, what did AMDrones mean by this?

>>60004464
What kind of backwards Reverend rape system is that?

>>60007798
American one.

>>60007547

Didn't you get the memo? Module style scaling no longer counts now that Intel is monolithic or bust.

>>60004352
>posting skewed gimped benchmarks
Funny, my 7700K at 4.9 GHz, GTX 1080, and same RAM got much higher than 160FPS average in BF1.

>>60003901
gaming /thread

>>60003901
Intel performs better in certain benchmarks, so yes, there obviously is.

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>>60007915
It's either gaymen or shit compiled with ICC.

>>60004201
That's cute and all if you want to settle for something as slow as a 1060 or RX 480 which barely perform better than a 290X from 2013 with a bit of OC, but if you want something actually fast NVIDIA is the only option, which sadly means Ryzen is out of the question until somebody fixes that shit performance. The only way to get actual high-end performance in games across the board today is still with Intel + NVIDIA.

>>60007958
>NVIDIA is the only option
I'll take Vega for 10.

>>60007976
You won't take shit because Vega isn't a product you can actually buy now.

>>60003901
Yes, real workloads.

>>60007958
>he only way to get actual high-end performance
1080 Ti + 1800X just werks

You enjoy that additional 1-2 max FPS, I'll enjoy the lack of stutter.

>>60007983
You can buy MI25 right about fucking now. And it's Vega10.

>>60007996
Yeah, you enjoy that amazing performance in RotTR with broken drivers or whatever the fuck makes it run so poorly.

>>60008020
You also forgot WD2.

>>60008020
I don't play games that exist purely for benchmarking

so should i get it or not if i run multiple cpu and ram intensive programs at once.

currently rocking a 6300 and its struggling when i have multiple programs open but its perfect for when i only have 1 program open and only doing solo works.

thinking about picking up an 8350fx since I do want to keep my ddr3 ram

>>60008006
Where? Give me a link to a shop selling one. Are those even graphics cards with video outputs or pure compute boards?
>>60008034
Nice to see that you can predict the future and have seen that this incredibly cryptic performance issue won't affect any titles releasing in the future over the platform's several years of worthwhile lifetime.

>>60008080
>pure compute boards
This.

>>60008080
>Gimpworks
>performance issues
Gee whizz aren't you clever

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>>60007958
>Talks about GPUs
>Halfway through switches to CPUs

Is this some next level jewish trickery?

>>60008133
Before I respond seriously, are you actually that retarded or just pretending?

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>he doesn't wait for Agner's analysis

It is like /g/ likes to be jewed and remain ignorant.

>>60007958
Not every game has that problem with NVidia's crap-ass drivers.

>>60008154
>Agner's analysis
What for? The Stilt covered Zeppelin well enough

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Hmm, lets see, current rig handles all my gaming needs, handles my productivity requirements (office work & /video/photo editing) with ease, plus allows for all my fun/mundane stuff i do with no quirks/errors/ (other words it all just works). Can shit post here and watch 1080p youtube vids fine and dandy. So in a nutshell, my rig just plain out works period.

>>60008130
>Gimpworks
>on NVIDIA's own graphics cards
>on their NEWEST generation
>>60008155
Of course not, but until it's resolved you have no guarantee that new games you may want to play will actually run well. After it's fixed, sure go ahead, no problem, but buying a Ryzen + NVIDIA system now is a bad idea because nobody has any fucking clue where that problem comes from. When it does happen, it also hits hard.

>>60005455
hehe

>>60007482
>Setting aside the fact that BGA CPUs run slightly cooler

Ryzen sure in the fuck isn't a case for that

>>60008184
Why not? Kaby Lake is a literal housefire in comparison

>>60007858

My performance numbers have never, in over a decade, been even close to benchmarks. Even when I had an almost identical computer as the one being used for the tests.

>>60007958
>but if you want something actually fast NVIDIA is the only option

And what does that have to do with CPU?

You can combo a 1800X and a 1080Ti together, you know. It works excellent.

>>60003901
i have a z97 motherboard. i want to upgrade to a 4790k if possible from my i5. there are loads on the used market. that's my legitimate reason.

>>60008164

The Stilt is not infalliable nor does he cover everything. His piece is great but itdoes not covrer it all.

>>60008235
>there are loads on the used market

And they're still almost as expensive as a brand new 7700K. Intel chips are overpriced as fuck on the used market, since every dumbass out there had the same idea of buying a """""cheap""""" i7 as an upgrade later.

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>>60008235

>>60008260
Gives us insight into the fact that low power Zeppelin CPUs will be god tier

>>60008200
Try closing all unnecessary background tasks and programs except the game itself, retard.
And maybe don't install every single meme software that you come across and leave them running in the background.

>>60008278

Agner is alluding to higher IPC primarily due to ryzen's ability to hande 4 complex ops/cycle vs 1 complex 3 simple per clock. Naturally this flips when talking AVX2.

>>60008270
i don't live in america.

>>60008273
see above.

>>60008212
>You can combo a 1800X and a 1080Ti together, you know. It works excellent.
Ryzen + GeForce has some weird ass performance issues, look at a RotTR benchmark, or apparently WD2 too as somebody points out. This issue does not exist with Ryzen + Radeon or with Intel + (whatever).

We have no idea where the performance problem is coming from or which future games will suffer from it. Until this gets fixed, you can buy a 1800X + 1080Ti and find out it runs like total ass in some game 3 months down the line. The combos with normal performance in ALL situations now are Ryzen + Radeon or Intel + anything. If you want a 480/580, then you can get Ryzen since there are no issues. But if you want a 1070/1080/1080 Ti for more GPU performance, it may have issues with Ryzen, so until that gets fixed, Intel is the only sane choice for GeForce cards. Buying Ryzen + GeForce will get you a system with a known performance issue that has unknown causes, that's just a bad purchase until the problem gets addressed.

>>60008295
Is that why it cakes under Linpack and Himeno?

>>60003901
The 7700k is still very slight faster at single core performance than anything AMD has to offer. So basically, if you're gaming exclusively at 1080p and you're planning on spending more on your processor than your GPU, the 7700k is for you. But we all know spending more on your CPU than your GPU for gaming is retarded anyway.

>>60008308
>Until this gets fixed, you can buy a 1800X + 1080Ti and find out it runs like total ass in some game 3 months down the line
"like total ass"
Except it still runs better than 1080 system on the market

You make it out to be some horrid performance issue that makes a 1080 Ti perform like a 1050 or something. Only Rocket League is fucked with NV GPUs for whatever reason to that extent.

Yes. LGA 771/775 Xeons

Are there any Ryzen Motherboards with 8 ram slots?
At first I thought it was cool that is used the same memory as my 2011-V3 board but they all have half the ram slots.

>>60008362
You can put 64GB RAM in 4 DIMMs. What the fuck do you intend to do in a desktop with 128GB RAM?

>>60008362
No, none of the consumer Ryzen CPUs are quad channel.

You'll want to wait for the HEDT chipsets/processors to come out

>>60008330
Buying a $750 graphics card and losing 30-40% performance because of a weird-ass issue is fucking terrible. And once again, this isn't an issue that is currently understood, how do you know other games won't suffer even more? We have no idea what makes this happen and what exactly breaks, you can't even make an educated guess as to how this will evolve in the future. It's a bad, risky purchase to buy hardware which such a flaw lurking inside.

>>60008387
>30-40% performance
[citation needed]

>>60008387
Why do you not share the same concern with Intel CPUs? Is it because their architecture has been around for 11 years and they couldn't possibly have any issues?

Protip: Of course they can, every single new chipset/platform Intel come out with is plagued with issues, many more than Ryzen has and the latter is a brand new architecture.

>>60004990
he's going to college to become an engineer.
he will get a job that makes so much money that AMD price/performance arguments are irrelevant. He can just buy the best and let the fanboys squabble.

>>60008458
Wow he's so amazing engineers aren't at all common

>>60008374
I use it for 3D rendering and building 4k video from image sequences.

>intel planning to release skylake 3rd time but this time it will be called coffeelake

amd won

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>>60008412
>Why do you not share the same concern with Intel CPUs?
Because there's no such issue on Intel CPUs, as shown by benchmarks. This exists for Ryzen, as was shown by benchmarks.

This isn't hypothetical. It actually happens on Ryzen with NVIDIA cards and it's not currently fixed.
>>60008393
That AdoredTV video which made the rounds. Pic related, ~36% performance lead for Intel in DX12. That's not normal, it's some sort of issue, somewhere, but nobody knows where yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTZjugDeg
Watch the entire thing for yourself if you want.

>>60008477
Then you're looking for workstation parts and you'll want to wait for Naples.

>>60008486
Why do people keep comparing the 1800X to the 7700K?

Why don't you compare the 7700K to the 6900K then start complaining about your missing FPS

>>60008486
>Because there's no such issue on Intel CPUs, as shown by benchmarks.
>there's no such issue on a CPU architecture that NVIDIA have had 11+ years to work with
hurr

>>60008472
https://www.google.com/search?q=petroleum+engineer

you're going to need to be more salty for him to give a shit. altho amdfanboys seem to have enough salt for everyone.

>>60008559
>actually thinking the oil mining industry isn't crashing

>>60008524
Go ask AdoredTV, I didn't make the video. That's a stupid complaint anyway, you can see that DX12 loses significant performance on Ryzen compared to DX11. They perform pretty much identically on Intel. There's obviously something wrong that needs to be fixed.
>>60008533
Who gives a shit? Are you going to buy something which performs 30% worse and then use your excuse to ignore the worse performance you're seeing? Blind fanboys, I swear you're an inscrutable mystery.

>>60008580
>Who gives a shit? Are you going to buy something which performs 30% worse and then use your excuse to ignore the worse performance you're seeing? Blind fanboys, I swear you're an inscrutable mystery.
Alright dude yoy enjoy another 5 years of 14nm Haswell refreshes since you're so strongly against any form of progress in the industry

>>60008580
>Blind fanboys
Because NVIDIA need to sort their shit out?

>performance with a certain GPU manufacturer in two games is subpar
>identify the CPU as the problem
What an incredibly retarded leap in logic

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>>60008593
I'm going to keep using actual Haswell until somebody comes up with something that's worth upgrading to and also has no issues, thank you very much.
>>60008613
Because he wants to ignore the problem by making excuses, as if an excuse actually addresses the problem in some way. NVIDIA needs to fix their shit, but until that happens the problem exists and it affects Ryzen.

No amount of pathetic fanboy
>i-i-it's new
moaning will change anything. The problem exists, it is measurable and can be quite severe.

>>60008640
Why would you even bother buying Haswell when it's just a glorified Sandy Bridge with toothpaste instead of solder between the die and IHS?

>>60008640
>by making excuses
NVIDIA not being able to sort their shit out is now AMD's fault? And you have the audacity to claim anyone else is a fanboy, jesus christ.

>>60008662
>Why would you even bother buying Haswell
Because I had a CPU older than Sandy Bridge and Haswell performs better despite the toothpaste.
>>60008662
>NVIDIA not being able to sort their shit out is now AMD's fault?
Where the fuck did I say that? I called him (is it you?) a fanboy because he makes excuses in order to ignore reality. It's irrelevant whose fault it is, this isn't some blame game. What matters is this: if you buy Ryzen and NVIDIA, you are buying hardware with issues. So don't fucking buy hardware with known issues, because that's retarded. Buy something without issues. For your convenience, these are the options:
>Ryzen + Radeon
>Intel + Radeon
>Intel + GeForce
Just don't fucking buy Ryzen + GeForce, because it's currently broken. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO BROKE IT, THE ISSUE EXISTS ALL THE SAME.

This is the fanboy mentality. The fanboy tries to point fingers, when the blame doesn't even have any practical relevance. The fanboy needs to establish that AMD is not at fault, because that is important to the fanboy, apparently. But that is not actually important, what is actually important in a purchasing decision is the practical performance of the hardware in question. And practical performance doesn't care about assigning blame.

>>60008735
>IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO BROKE IT, THE ISSUE EXISTS ALL THE SAME.
You're actually fucking retarded

Despite the fact that this issue exists in one or two games you recommend against buying the hardware combination AT ALL when it works perfectly fine in every other application, the chances of people even playing these games are slim.

Not only that but you act like this is a permanent issue while also claiming that it needs to be fixed, with the implication that it can be fixed. Stop contradicting yourself you fucking moron.

Hey, I was looking at buying an r7 1700, and I was curious how the motherboard situation has settled, any b350 boards to just outright avoid or any golden boards out there after the bios updates?

>intel = gaming, business, productivity, art, work
>amd = render and encoding slave

>>60008640
Fuck off already.

>>60004060
this is the reason why im holding on to ryzen for now
the second itx boards get released ill be all over that

>>60008735
Holy fuck you are breathtakingly stupid.

>>60008755
>you recommend against buying the hardware combination AT ALL
Of course, because there are literally 3 other options available which do not have problems, AT ALL. Why the fuck would you buy the one with issues out of 4 choices, are you retarded?
>Not only that but you act like this is a permanent
I have literally said multiple times throughout multiple posts that Ryzen + NVIDIA is a bad combination TODAY and will remain so UNTIL IT GETS FIXED. I don't "act" at all, I type out text which you presumably read. That is the extent of our interaction, the text should be entirely clear to you since you understand English and I have used no ambiguous terms. If that was too hard for you to understand, you actually are stupid, in the real-world, low intelligence sense of the word. Either that or the glowing halo you must see around Ryzen has blinded you and impaired your reading abilities.

In any case, enjoy spending good money on the single hardware combination which doesn't currently perform properly in every scenario, when multiple others exist and all run well at all times.

>>60008889
>software issues are hardware issues
See >>60008859

>>60008889
tl;dr don't buy NVIDIA GPUs until they work on the Ryzen platform

Do you need a new board for ryzen? Sorry I'm dumb/ out of the loop

>>60008951
Yes

>>60008960
What board? and memes aside is ryzen any good? I need to upgrade my 6600k but if I need a board too that adds another 200 or less dollars.

>>60008973
And no I don't get info for pc building from you retards but some of you are actually smart.

>>60008973
X370/B350

Memes aside yes it is good, whether you need more than your 4c/8t is another question

>>60008995
So if in the future I want to stream a little it's not as good?

>>60008889
>being this mad about being wrong

Yo anon, there exists an issue with Ryzen with very high-end graphics cards in only certain games where the bottleneck is pushed to the CPU by an the fast graphics card. If you think a 1050Ti is going to get bottlenecked by a 1600 @ 4GHz, you're an idiot and you need to never give PC advice again.

>>60009020
If you want to stream then yes it will be much better

>>60009020
It would be almost the same to upgrade my intel chip as it would be to go ryzen and buy a board sooooo....

>>60009030
The intel route correct?

>>60003917
this

>>60008889
>It's like an actual, physical version of autism

>>60008511
>wait for X
Trademark AMD fanboys!

>>60004059
I have 16gb at 3000.........

>>60009064
I actually like amd but the intel chip just seems like the better choice. Try harder amd you have a loyal base.

>>60009049
No, the 7600K is horrid for streaming

>>60003901
AMD drivers are a total dumpster fire

>>60009079
intel chips are worse choice for nearly everything
you can run 4 gaymes at 90fps, 300 programs on ryzen 8core or run 1 gayme at 100fps on intel and maybe 1 program if you're lucky

>>60009082
Ok so you were saying ryzen is better? I'm talking best intel chip vs ryzen for light streaming and some 3d work. Which would be the best?

>>60009072
Kill yourself.

Intel for what, Stutter simulator ? finally using your house insurance ?

>>60009100
Ryzen, you will need a new motherboard either way there is no upgrade path for you on that socket

>>60009097
Weird I play the witcher 3 on 1080 and run a 4k monitor as a second monitor with no hiccups on a 6600k?

>>60009089
>AMD drivers
>Referring to GPU drivers from years ago which have massively improved
>Even though the discussion is about CPUs

Were you born this stupid or did you have to work at it?

>>60009114
I did the same with an R9 390 and 2500K, that doesn't mean anything

>>60009079
>the intel chip just seems like the better choice
>25% better single core
>worse multicore, price, TDP, upgradeability, etc.

Yeah sounds like a great deal.

>>60009123
wtf were you trying to say then? I can run 4k and game at 1080 at the same time on a 6600k. I know 6600k is trash what is the best upgrade route for streaming?

>>60009145
R7 1700.

>>60009145
Ryzen, you can get an 1800X for the same price as you would get a 6800K and it would be much better

>>60008284
Is this what intel users have to do?

>>60009153
Ok so now do I go 1700 or 1800x I have heard negatives for each and no one here can prove they even have a ryzen chip.

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>>60009116

>>60009160
Corelets, duh.

>>60009160
not me sounds like user error or a really old chip

>>60005700
>Normies just bought bad boards
You mean the cheap ones that people say are "Enough"

Intel at least has itx boards out right now.

AMD still can't figure out how to do it

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>>60009164
1700 is just all around better value, the only benefit to the 1800X is a better binned chip if you're overclocking or better stock/boost clocks if you don't want to overclock.

>>60005455
> That's not the loo intel !

>>60009187
>AMD still can't figure out how to do it
Again AMD is blamed for motherboard vendors slacking, lol.

Biostar have an ITX board, ASRock have an ITX board, the other vendors surely will in time. It has nothing to do with AMD.

Quad channel RAM, more PCIe.

>>60009202
Naples/HEDT, or are you going to complain that Kaby Lake don't have these features?

>>60009200

I know I'm just really salty they aren't out yet

>>60004059
2666-3200 is optimal for most tasks

check any ddr4 test

>>60008486
Might've used one of those intel-optimized compilers for the graphics drivers

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>>60009212
Show us on the Amada where the mobo vendors touched you.

>>60009164
1600x
12 threads at 3.6-4.0 for 250 dollars
you save 80 dollars for Ryzen 2: "Intel gets it shit pushed in" boogaloo

>>60009188
>3.7ghz
>1.28v's
what motherboard? because i've tried three 1800x's and one 1700x and they all ran at 1.45-1.5v's for 3.7ghz on stock auto settings with my crosshair. i've had two crosshairs now and the same thing.

>>60009381
The 1800X is stock, some monitoring software just displays it at its boost frequency. It can jump up to 1.45V when XFR boosts a core to 4.1GHz.

I'm using a Gaming 5 and Gigabyte don't have offset/P-State overclocking on their BIOS yet so until they implement that I won't be overclocking.

>ITT:Ryzen Shitposters can't actually afford 7700ks and are just justifying their purchase of an i5 7600k

>>60009444
>gaming 5
that explains it. for whatever reason i've noticed gaming 5's don't like pumping 1.5v's into ryzen while crosshairs LOVE pumping 1.5v's in as much as they can.

so much so i've disabled xfr completely because i was averaging 1.4v's. not peak, average with amd's ryzen balance plan and was getting 1.37v's average with high performance.

>>60009464
>tfw couldn't afford 7700K so I got an 1800X

>>60009464
this seems to be the case, why shitpost /g/ when you can game on a 7700k?

>>60009472
>for whatever reason i've noticed gaming 5's don't like pumping 1.5v's into ryzen
Maybe not but I had to manually set my SoC voltage to 1.1V after the latest BIOS update (which got my 2933MHz going) set the SoC voltage to 1.25V by default

>>60009481
For the same reason why people on /v/ don't actually play video games

>>60009103
>gets blown the fuck out
>"Kill yourself XDDDDDDDD"
You totally won that argument! LOL!!!!!

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>>60009513
Waiting for Skylake-X/Delidlake-X I see.

>>60009181
Nah, I mean ANUS boards
The board which supported 3200 was the Pro4 from Asrock. You know, the one which was 89.99 USD and has stupid VRM phases?

>>60009610
>buying anything ROG and not going in with the expectation of it bricking
I mean it's already well-documented enough from the Intel side

>>60004060
>>60008830
Yeah but its a brand new arch, give it some time

>>60009139
>25% better single core
That's pretty fucking huge for a lot of workloads. And you're acting like it's a single core CPU but it has 4 of them, all running 25% faster.

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>>60010018
>but it has 4 of them, all running 25% faster.
Meaning it only has 62,5 % the performance of octocore Ryzen?

>>60010070
100 horses !== a car

The Raisin is straight up slower for the majority of workloads that actually matter for home use (gaming, browsing, shitposting). Money is no object to me, I would've bought a 6950x if I thought it would run faster than a 7700k for my normal usage. Hell, even game streaming benchmarks show the 7700k beating the 1800x and by a significant margin in most games. Again, AMD is for poorfags or valuefags. History repeats itself. I'm glad Intel has competition again though, I will admit the Raisin line is better price/perf.

>>60010199
If you're just gonna shitpost take it to /b/

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>>60010199
Hmmm...

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>>60010199

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>>60010199
Basically you are one of those people who are for some reason offended that it is as good as it is.

>>60003901
laptop

>>60010329
I was talking about how the 7700k is much faster than the 6950x for my workloads.

You post 6950x benchmarks that show the 1800x is as slow as a 6950x.

What is it like being actually retarded? Does it come with AMD-fanboy territory?

>>60010330
>>60010351
> Post facts
> AMDniggers get mad

I'm not offended, just stating facts. 7700k is straight up faster for my usage. I don't spend most of my day unzipping files or rendering 4k video. I game, browse, and shitpost. All of which is better handled, significantly, by the 7700k in the vast majority of cases.

>>60010199
>AMD is for poorfags or valuefags
>Unironically falling for the StutterLake housefire edition CPU

>>60010665
Browsing and shitposting aren't going to be any different either way. For certain games, you're right about the 7700k although we'll have to see if software updates don't change some of that.

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>>60010199
>No charts
>No diagrams
>No graphs
>No links
>No embedded videos
>No evidence at all
Get in, shekelchaser.

>>60010665
>Facts
>Source: My ass
Really activates those almonds.

>>60010665
Also this >>60010669. Games on a Ryzen platform see much lower frame times and much smoother frame rates

>>60010665
>I game, browse, and shitpost
>7700K is faster at browsing and shitposting
>Jewtel shills unironically believe that
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>60010665
Damn dude how fast does your stuttering need to be?

>>60010697
Where is the proofs?

>>60010704
what is this stutter meme? Is this from that GTA-5 video with the double-blind CPU test? Is that really all you have AMDniggers?

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>>60003901

Only if you are a Rothschild monkey

would've probably bought ryzen7 if it came out last november but I really didn't want to be a waitfag so I settled for a 6700k on black friday. I'm happy. No trouble streaming or recording either.

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>>60010790
Silky smooth, anon.

none of the shitposters own a 7700k; these are those who bought an i5 7400 and are insecure of the R5's.

>>60005064
for what purpose?

>>60009513
>Implying there was an argument
It was shitposting all the way down.

>>60010875
>buying an intel chip that isn't at a minimum an i7-x700k or i5-x600k

Poorfags will try and get away with anything.

>>60010909
curosity

>>60010925
>he didn't buy a 2500k 6 years ago and keep it until Ryzen came out

>>60010925
I'm sorry '7700k user', but I thought you only game with your machine.

>>60010199
>gaming
Wow I lost 10 FPS at 1080p (lol) but gained less stuttering due to hitting 100% CPU usage. Totally BTFO there.
>browsing
Yep you totally crushed those bloated Javascript benchmarks. You can load nytimes.bloat 25% faster. That's almost a quarter of a second. Hooray for you!
>shitposting
A single core ARM 800 MHz shitphone can do this. I own one. It runs Clover. Pretty well, too.

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>>60010665
>7700K is straight up faster for my ridiculous edge use case where 25% single core is a deal braker
>and I'm willing to give up 60% multicore to get it

You're just a dumbass.

>>60010846
What is this saying? An i7-7700k gets 31 fps in GTA5?

>>60010946
Close. Still using a 2600k. Waiting till at least the end of the year to see what's going on before buying anything new.

>>60010969
> Gaming
> Ridiculous edge case

Hmmm...

>>60004059
Then how do I have 32GB of 2400MHz RAM?

>>60010982
>2600k
Come on now, everyone knows hyperthreading was a meme in 2011

>>60010961
gaming at 1080p. Lol, fucking 2007 in here. I hope that 10fps was off of 144hz at least.

>>60010972
Jesus Christ, anon; read the text below the game title.
>Inb4 he can't comprehend anything other than average FPS

>>60010987
>10 FPS at 100+ FPS at 1080p
>Ridiculous edge case
>>>/v/

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

(you're a fag)

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>>60010998
1080p? What do you need 720p for?

>>60010846
>i7-7700K at 4.6 is behind all of the Ryzens
I call bullshit. GTA V favors Intels for some reason and you always see the 7700K beat the 1700X or 1800X by at least 10% on other sites.

>>60011016
<5 giggle hurtz

moar cores vs. moar hertz

>>60010998
they are equal above that. so you are admitting ryzen is far better with its lower temps, more cores and less power usage?

>>60003997
>twice the price
>o look a bait thread
7700k outperforms everything at that price point

>buying 7700k
>buying 1080Ti/TITAN Xp to be best at everything
>vs Reality
You see how the shitposters don't really have the capacity to build these systems.

>>60004352
1700x is more expensive than 7700k tho

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>>60011016
480p? What do you need 144p for?

>>60011052
the 1600 isn't.

>>60011000
Any article in English? This article smells like bullshit. Single-core performance is most often the bottleneck in any game as long as you have another core to spare for ancillary tasks. I feel like Ryzenfags have been rused.

>>60011025
>0.1% low/ 1% low, fps
Are you retarded? That isn't the game average, you autistic fuck.

>>60005437
What are you on about

>>60010846
0.o 6950x getting rekt by ryzen, intel really stuttering piece of shit

>>60011064
I'm guessing these .1% drops are Windows anti-virus and other jobs that cause context switching.

I have a gsync monitor though so my 7700k literally never stutters and average fps is much higher. I do wonder sometimes what it's like to be an AMD poorfag.

>>60011101
>have 7700k
>have G-sync
>still be a loser
It's like ballers who are accessorized to the brim with Nike and still lose to people who ball in their chucks.

>>60011061
That image didnt have any 1600 benchmarks on it

>>60011042
>buying 1080Ti/TITAN Xp to be best at everything
We aren't even talking about GPUs, dumbfuck. Obviously the 1070 and above are the best in class for their performance (even though their price/performance ratio kind of sucks). The i7-7700K on the other hand has way too many drawbacks and isn't nearly as much of an improvement compared to buying a bigger GPU.

>>60011025
GTA V blows it's load all over the threads your computer has to offer. It's a very well optimized games. 4 cores for it is the bare minimum.

>>60011130
Better performance is not a drawback

>>60011124
its the same silicon. draw your own conclusion, wait no, your an idiot. it will perform the same if its at the same clocks and doing so is really easy.

>>60011149
Then explain this
>>60011056

>>60011141
See
>>60005629

>>60011157
umm. I did. please re-read, this time with 5th grade comprehension.

>>60011099
Wow, one german micro-benchmark that has never been replicated, how will the 7700k ever recover.

>>60011169
O were ignoring reality ok

>>60011101
>No longer able to see stuttering as a result of using Intel CPUs all your life
Sad.

>>60011157
>buy something that performs worse because it might be better several years from now
You cant future proof technology. In 3 or 4 years all these cpus will be eating the dust of something else. Im trying to use my pc now not in 2022

>>60003901
Better performance on most benchmarks?

Better price/performance?

Oh, this is a bait thread.

>>60011196
You're not using your pc, chum. You're shitposting on 4chan.

You should try justifying your purchase by i.e. gaming.

>>60011149
So you want to compare overclocked amd cpus to stock intel? Lol for fucks sake ya id sure hope theyd beat intel

>>60011212
>im not using my pc
I am. At this very moment. I dont think you know what ie means

>>60011192
Oh no, the 7700k is slower in one niche scenario in a few cherry-picked games. Meanwhile, in 90% of benchmarks, 7700k kicking Ryzen's fucking teeth in, including streaming benchmarks.

The german benchmarker probably had a virus on his damn machine. I haven't seen those results replicated ANYWHERE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZcCqnE5mRw&t

why intel stutter so much

>>60008486

>DX12

And the gain would have been minimal if any on a 1080Ti anyway so who cares, just set the game to DX11 and enjoy 116.46 FPS

>>60010875
Makes so much sense considering the fact that the i5s are complete shit.

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>>60011230
Oh vey!
>Inb4 b-b-but higher averages, desu!

>>60008580
>Blind fanboys

He says after fucking endorsing AdoredTV. Do all AMD shills lack self awareness?

>>60011270
Adored blasted AMD for the 5 series Radeons, idiot.

>>60011278

>Blasted

There's an exaggeration. He also tried to spin the idea of nvidia releasing cards that are stronger than previous gen cards as somehow bad.

>>60011052
Worth it, at least it's not a 4-core abortion.

>>60011099
Intel is shit at literally everything, news at 11

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AMDniggers had to INVENT A BENCHMARK to feel superior to Intel and rely on a single Kraut article for literally all of their sources.

>>60011269
>OC 1800x barely beating stock 6700k
>leaving 7700k out of benchmarks
O i am laffin

>>60011291
Youve been cucked by the jews

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>>60011311
At least they're capable of posting benchmarks.

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>>60004352
Just wait for Kaby Lake-X heheh

>>60011347
>i7-7700K literally overclocked i7-6700K
>Ignoring all the stuttering happening in the benchmark

>>60011358
With jews, you lose.

>>60011230
If you buy a quad core today for gaming you are a moron they are about to become dinosaurs

oh look for the next 6 moths you have 10% more fps for some games,then when Intel turns the basic i7 into a 6 core next year have run might as well game on a duo core

Literally everyone will have more the 4 cores even budget builds with the 1600 lmao

>>60011386
>you should buy pc parts for games that will be released in 4-5 years
Ill probably just upgrade in 5 years because im not poor

>>60011397
I'm not a poorfag either so I'd sooner play gayms on an 1700X than a fucking stuttery 4-core housefire mess that gets annihilated in other workloads.

>>60011257
> Games that looks like it's from 2005 saturating 8 threads.

I'm legitimately impressed. I wonder if it even uses the GPU.

>>60011376
> 7700k is faster
> b-b-b-ut they just overclocked it to get there

hmmm

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>>60011373
>>60011361
> b-b-b-ut my cherry-picked benchmark is b-b-b-best
> I b-b-bet 7700k u-u-u-sers regret their choice now

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>7700K is unironically an overclocked 6700K

>>60011386
> I'm a moron because in a year or two better CPUs will be released.

REALLY gets that noggin joggin

>>60011500
for
>>60011474
:^)

>>60011513
> Comparing stock to an overclock

Damn you really made me THINK

>>60011052
But it's not?

>>60011519
Yup. Now see that an 4.7GHz 6700K is unironically a 7700K (housefire included).
>>60011269

>>60011528
If 7700k is a housefire how is Ryzen any better? It pulls down a lot more wattage. Get some decent cooling fucking poorfag, stop trying to overclock with a $5 fan.

>>60011528
But that's just not true. The 7700k has more headroom for overclock than the 6700k. If they were exactly the same that wouldn't be the case.

>>60011490
>8%
No thanks, the stuttering doesn't justify it

>>60011561
Are you retarded? It's a fucking FOUR CORE housefire. Their 8-core CPUs are even worse.

>>60011500
Intel was a mistake.

>>60011570
Mhm, but a 6700K clocked at 4.7GHz is pretty close to that headroom, anon.

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>>60011573
8% includes the better 8-core performance of Ryzen. Thread and quad core performance is around 20% better.

>>60011593
Huh? Explain.

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>>60011437
Is stuttering the new meme now? Lol ok. 7700k blows ryzen away in single core performance. Unless youre running blender all day then theres no reason to get ryzen

>>60011620
That poorfag site doesn't say anything about min frames so it's invalid.

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>>60011620
>Leaving out the 63% multi-core advantage
I smell a retarded shill, anon?

>>60011648
Nobody is arguing that the Ryzen isn't better at running Prime95 or unzipping multi-gigabyte zip files.

>>60011627
>>60011656
>Anon still uses single-threaded applications
Kek. Have fun with your stuttering.

>>60011522
It is. By about 75$. You can google this simple undisputable fact

>>60011663
Sure, next time I play a poorly optimized PS4 port or a browser game that doesn't even use the GPU.