Small Form Factor PCs

>>60000280
My next PC is going to be a small unit. I've long-since stopped needing any more power, and the system that currently fills a massive tower could now probably fit in something 1/4 the size and use 1/4 the power.

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>>60000316
It's really amazing isn't it?

Compare what you can fit in a literal shoebox today versus the 40 pound towers you had to haul to LANs 10 even just 10 years ago.

I've got a Cooler Master Elite 110 case, filled it with: MSI z97i AC, i5-4670K and ASUS-GTX970-DCMOC

Works pretty well, although I use my laptop way more often, since it's comfier to shitpost on the couch

>kickstarter
eg pls give me money for my project which I'll never ever finish

>kickstarter
lmao

Eventually when I have a job, and have some money I want to make a SFF build. They're quite comfy and nice.

I have a mini-ITX Ivy bridge machine right now. My next SFF build will probably have a super small mini-ITX case paired with an external thunderbolt GPU enclosure. That way I can just power down the GPU when I'm using the computer as a server (90% of the time) and not a gayming or htpc rig

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>>60001039
the DAN A4-SFX started on kickstarter.

>>60000280
>kickstarting a worse case than the dan a4, which you can already buy

lmao

>>60001635
he used kickstarter as a preorder store, all the work was already done by that point

should have ordered one desu, my ncase m1 is nice but now i want to go even smaller

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>>60001789
a second version is goin up on KS again this summer.

I got an old eMachines sff case that I put an i3-4130t and use it for pfsense.

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What goes /g/ think of the Alienware Alpha R2? I'm thinking of making it a hackintosh with dual boot.

>>60001635
How does that thing manage to keep temperatures under solder's melting point?

>>60001910
fucking mint, might get an order in this time

would love to move my gaymen setup (6700k+1080) into that and build something more interesting into my m1

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>>60001992
Well?

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>>60002067
perforated side panels

https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4_img.html

>>60002084
>>60001992
>those prices
no

>>60002122
>you're literally forced to use a stock cooler
That makes me kinda uncomfortable, but I admit that case is really cool.

>>60002212
there's a list of aftermarket cooler recommendations on the website though last time i looked it was basically all low-power stuff and the cryorig c7 which can apparently handle the ~90w cpus like my 6700k

What's the smallest case that can hold a 3.5" HDD?

I don't need a video card or tall CPU cooler. I just need room for one 3.5" HDD. (I don't even need a 2.5" slot because I'll boot from a M.2.)

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>>60001789
pic related. comes with some minor tweaks.

>>60002212
>you're literally forced to use a stock cooler
no, you're not. low-profile aftermarket coolers exist. Noctua L9 is a popular choice.

Any small case can fit air cooler like noctua d15 ?

>>60002122
>>60002323
The top perforated vents seem kind of useless without a radiator for the CPU.

Why not get Cougar QBX instead of dancase?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov8ICYqDe2I
Much cheaper and instead of trying to be so small almost unpractical it can fit a 120mm rad or a 240mm rad with a SFX psu. Planned getting one for my Ryzen build but ITX mobos were N/A.

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>>60000280
thinking of getting one of these as a business desktop

>>60002351
>d15
if you want an air cooler that big, maybe one of the cases with the motherboard on the bottom might work?

but then why bother with itx when those things are so huge?

noctua u9 seemed to be a popular choice in the ncase m1, it's what i used after seeing a lot of other builds with it (but the m1 can fit a 240mm rad or two)

>>60002363
at that size i'd take all the vents i could get

i assume it's there so heat off the back of the motherboard and graphics card has somewhere to go

I have an ncase m1, and its pretty great.
Even my Titan fits comfortably inside.

>>60002363
They're not, that's where the hot air coming from the gpu with an aftermarket cooler will go.

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>>60000280

I have a ryzen build in a SG09. Pretty sweet, I didn't have to wait for mITX boards.

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>>60000280
7700K
GTX 1070
AIO Water Cooling
32GB RAM
1TB M.2 SSD

The works.

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>>60003595
64GB RAM* whoops

Also ~10L total.

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>>60003595
node 202 bretheren

>>60003625
How do I acquire Hangpad skill for my lappy?

>>60003810
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017VVDIE0

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i know it's an edgy/gaymer product, but does anyone have any experience with the corsair bulldog? an sfx aio and psu with a z mobo in that formfactor for $300 doesn't sound bad, imo.

>>60003900
Calling that thing SFF is a joke, it's huge.

>>60001635
How difficult is it to build in one of these cases?

>>60003912
It's not THAT much bigger than a 202. ~5"x18"x"15 vs ~3.5"x15"x13". But good luck comfortably fitting an aio in a 202.

>>60004018
See
>>60003595

>>60002323
>Noctua L9 is a popular choice.

This is the reason why I won't go smaller than an Ncase. I stuck a NF-A9x14 in my Ncase as an exhaust fan just for supplementary cooling and it's by far the loudest fan I have in my case. I had to add two low noise adapters to get it as quiet as the NF-A15. Having it as the only source of cooling I just cannot see as being quiet enough.

>>60004034
i saw bitwit do the same on youtube, that's why i said comfortably as this route requires some cutting of the case.

>>60004078
That's a stupid reason to avoid doing it. It took me 5 minutes to go out and buy a $3 hacksaw, then another 5 minutes to cut the case.

You can also get a detachable AIO to avoid doing that if you're really autistic, those exist now.

Has anyone tried to use one of those laptop powerbricks as their PSU to minimize the footprint of the PC's chasis itself?

I'm wondering if there's a termination adapter for these external powerbricks that fits inside the PC chasis and functions like a modular PSU's connector plate.

>>60004159
Look up nano PSUs.

>>60004159
>>60004192
Something like this?
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,404,0)ec

>>60002363
allows for a bit of passive cooling via convection. you don't want any pockets of warm air in such a small case. the v2 will also allow for an additional small case fan mounted in the bottom.

>>60004107
i didn't say avoid doing it or that it's a bad idea. i just said it required cutting. i'm not attacking the idea, quit defending it.

Watercooling a small form factor is about the stupidest shit you could do

>>60004107

Great. Now how much for the files to deburr your absolute murdered case that's bent out of shape because youre too much if a faggot to have the proper tools?

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

>>60000406
Case?

>>60004498
It's the ghost s1, currently on kickstarter.

Basically very similar to the dan case, except it has a modular top piece that allows for AIO watercooling.

what do you guys think of the sharkoon qb one and sharkoon c10 cases? where i live they're the only mini itx cases i can buy for a decent price

>SFF without watercooling both CPU and GPU

Enjoy your high temperatures and noise.

>>60004371
Quit trying to have a logical discussion on 4chan and call me a faggot you fucking queer.

>>60004474
$5 tops, but I already had files. Your argument is retarded and my case has been running fine for over a year.

>>60004620
>look mom i posted the shitty meme again!
here's your (you)

>>60004432

Yeah, gotta dump all the hot air inside the tiny enclosure, amirite, retard?

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I only build SFF.

this is mine

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>>60004676
and one for a client (I never did get the right weather to take it outside before shipping...)

>>60004676
Image leads to Overclock.net so you just stole it.

>>60004676
>That
>SFF

B8

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>>60004701
it's almost like that's my build log
>>60004724
>mATX
>not SFF
k

>>60000280
What are some good tiny PC cases?

I want to build a new plex server in a few months, but I'm trying to find a decent tiny PC case that will look good in the living room. I know nothing I can build will be as small as the mac mini that's there now but what are some good small cases?

>>60004737
>anything but ITX and below
>SFF

lmao

>>60004755
>lmao
I honestly shouldn't argue. I like the idea of mATX being "not small" but the reality is that those are both smaller builds compared to the average of most builds, especially that you see around here.

>>60004664

The fact that you think this is the case proves you are a fucking moron.

Enjoy cramming tiny radiators for your shitty AIOs in to cramped spaces with too long tubing.

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>>60000280
for casual tasks i use a 4th generation nuc inside a fanless akasa case.

>>60000280
>get retardedly small case
>components don't fit inside
>have to put them outside case
>negates SFF

>>60004644

Using a fucking hacksaw is retarded. Apologize for advocating such stupid shit.

>>60004844
It aint called a hacksaw for no reason.

>>60000280
if they're going to charge that much for a case the least they could do is include magnetic dust filters.

>>60000280
That video was so pretentious while telling me nothing about the actual product that I will never back it now. Fucking worthless swedes.

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>>60004838
You realize that the case covers the radiator right? That picture is to show that a 240 rad can fit.

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why are there no cheap ITX cases like this chink one sold by western companies?

>>60004916
>you realize ... right?
fucking stop this retarded SJW autismo shit

>>60004883
I think molded side dust filters are included.

>>60004908
Yeah the video was autistic, don't wanna wait for the Dancase V2 in may tho. Scalpers will likely bot the kickstarter so it sells out in 5 mins like the first run.

>>60004951
How does a discussion about PC chasis have anything to do with social justice warriors? Check your fucking autism.

>>60002290
I know the M1 has a slot for a single HDD, you can probably go smaller though.

>>60002212
>what is a low profile cooler
Cryorig C7

>>60004977
learn some fucking reading comprehension. "you realize... right" is standard SJW/autismo talk and you look like a fucking faggot when you use it.

>>60005101
You realize I can type however the fuck I want right? Stay mad dawg.

>>60005126
>he said "fuck" so he must be mad!
even the "akshually" meme is above you at this point

Can you build a SFF with an ATX board?

>>60005228
not really.

Sff is all relative right? I have a define nano s. Its pretty big, like 28L, but its the smallest case you can fit a full size 280mm radiator for dat water cooling. I am getting a dan a4 case for about 425, seems worth it.

>>60005407
>Sff is all relative right?
no.

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>>60000280
Small form factor PCs arrived 15 years too late. LAN parties are fucking dead now that there is literally no point thanks to widespread broadband internet. Why lug your shit around when you can just play with your friends from the comforts of home and then hang out and do other social shit in person when you're not playing fucking video games?

ITX builds WOULD HAVE kicked ass in a different era. Now they're just "look at me" status for /g/ cred.

>>60005445
>implying we don't all live for the /g/ cred.

I feel you anon, but itx cases are comfy to me.

>>60005445
>ITX is just "look at me" cred
or maybe to take up less space? tard.

>tfw no good looking SFF case for SLI
The SG10 is ugly af

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>>60005935
It takes up a trivially smaller amount of space compared to the cheaper, easier to work with mATX form factor. ITX is a fucking meme designed to sell you shit you don't really need.

>>60006055
>SFF
>SLI
yeah nah, that's not SSF.

>>60005445
>lan parties are dead
https://dreamhack.se/splash/

Currently running a Silverstone FT03-mini with a 4690k, 8GB RAM, and a 500gb Samsung 840 evo. Just bought a GTX 1060 to up my GPU game and replace my GTX 760.

It's actually quite frustrating finding GPUs that fit, because it has a length (10in) AND height requirement. All the high end cards for mini-ITX systems cheat the height to avoid length or vice versa.

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>>60006536
>half the size
>trivially smaller
nigga what

>>60004777
I would call mATX builds more of a "mini tower" style than a SFF style

>>60006596
On what planet is that going to make a difference? Unless you're taking the thing on a plane, it doesn't fucking matter. If you can't fit an mATX case in your living quarters you should reevaluate your life.

>>60006536
>small mobos are memes designed to sell you shit you dont need
>big mobos are memes designed to sell you more shit than you need

>>60006599
mATX cases are generally called Mini-Tower aswell.

>>60006631
just because you cant understand it doesnt mean there's no use for it. people have different taste and requirements. get over yourself.

>>60006631
If you cant fit a full ATX case in your living quarters you should reevaluate your life

>>60006657
>implying some people just dont want to even if they can
you should end your life

>>60006596
The thing that kills itx for me is the two ram slots.

>>60006631
If you cant fit a full EATX case in your living quarters you should reevaluate your life.

>>60000280
Too bad nobody is pledging for it. I can only hope it gets funded.

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>>60006695
it's possible but i very rare and this example was SO-DIMM

>>60006657
if you cant afford a 1 acre data-center you should re-evaluate your life

>>60006695
>>60006743
that said, most people only use 2 sticks anyway

>>60006743
If you cant afford a universe in which to perform a live simulation you should reevaluate what kind of cosmic deity you chose to be

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>>60006873

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Who M1 here?

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just picked this up off amazon. Intel i5-6400T, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, Windows 10, $559.99

went with it over the mac mini. will be paired with a ultra thin 24 inch monitor, compact mechanical keyboard and ergonomic mouse. plan on mounting it under the desk

>>60005101
>you realize right that "you realize right" is standard SJW/autismo talk and youlook like a fucking faggot when you use it.
Pot-kettle-black.

>>60005157
>Stop using words I don't like
You are the SJW.

>>60005445
I move around frequently. It's convenient

>tfw caselabs S3

my itx case is as big as an matx case.

No good motherboards for the form factor for AM4.
Gonna go with a midtower soon.

What's the smallest form factor mATX case that would fit a 145mm CPU cooler and a full sized GPU?

Is there anywhere to browse cases by size?

>>60001992
if ur makin a hackintosh anyway go with an intel skullcanyon nuc

that alienware box looks horrendous

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s t u f f e d

>>60007298
Biostar in may, Asrock and Gigabyte in june and juli

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>>60007454
finding so hard to keep from buying in now, but we'll see.
got some recommendations for good white cases? was going with that theme this time around, and if the smaller form factor has a better case than pic related, i'll wait it out.

Why the fuck are the dan a4 cases 500$+ on Ebay? Are people buying this shit at that price?

>>60007498
>no white Mini C

Tuck me in.
Let me die.

>>60007748
Scalpers botted the first kickstarter, people have been selling them for 500-600 USD on ebay. This is why the NCase is super popular, and to a lesser extent, the kickstarter for the ghost.

>>60007804
fuck, meant to quote >>60007571

>>60007571
It's the only way to get one, currently. Supply and demand.

>>60007828
When is a new batch being shipped?

>>60007932
He's doing another Kickstarter at the end of May. Pretty safe to say they won't be shipping those until July/August.

>>60007971
Guess I'm safe to "buy" the ghost and sell my dan case when it arrives then. I was expecting the value to increase but not by 100%.

>>60000280
Built a mitx machine. now ill take maintainability over sff every time for my machine.

>>60008003
The Ghost is pretty far from a sure thing at this point. Their Kickstarter isn't going to make it without a lot more exposure, so unless they have a backup plan to fund it, they may have to cancel the current campaign and put some work into generating interest and press before attempting a second campaign.

>>60008064
Yeah. Smallest I'll go is matx I think. I have an m1 but I really don't feel like swapping thermal paste in the future. It was a pain to build especially since I stripped the screws to remove the psu bracket.

Could I get some opinions on this?
>>60007060

kind've new to getting into computers in general and am hoping this suits my needs...goal was basically a reasonably powerful unit in compact form. also fairly reputable brand

>>60008098

It's a Dan A4 with a taller lid for a radiator.

They aren't exactly reinventing the wheel.

At least the Sentry is trying something different.

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>>60008229
The Sentry is the same layout as the Steam Machine that Valve prototyped several years ago. The Silverstone RVZ02 and Fractal Node 202 are the slightly larger, commercialized cases based on the same layout. The Sentry isn't especially "different."

>>60007932
Q4 2017

>>60002122
Would fit perfectly in a HiFi system

Thoughts on RVZ02?

>>60007454
>Biostar
>good

>>60006596
mATX is small enough, more flexible, and you dont get kiked with SFX PSUs

Fuck, I saw a photo of a tiny GPU here maybe yesterday or the day before which I believe isn't out yet. Of course my stupid fucking anus didn't save the image. Are there any Can't remember how the posts were worded either so I can't find it on the archive. Any idea which one I might be thinking of? Or are there too many which could be it?

>>60008225
>Smallest I'll go is matx I think.
reee I wish there were more small matx cases in the style of the m1

most matx options are just regular towers with a couple inches shaved off their height, leaving them long as fuck and even more awkward looking (and no real reason to bother with over an atx mid tower)

>>60008410
yeah, i was thinking about it to replace my dying htpc or possibly going all-sff for my home office - throw my gaymen setup in there then my m1 can be built into a baby dev workstation with a ryzen 1700 or something

>>60009429
There are zotac and gigabyte mini gpus for the 1070 and 1060 i believe.

>>60009589
Must have been one of those then. Thanks a bunch man.

my friend built one to take to lan parties and they're such fucking noise makers that it's annoying to play with him around now

cool guy though

Does anyone know if their's any widely available cases smaller then the Node 202 that accepts atleast a mini itx card. Want to go smaller than the Node 202.

Everything else seems to be in batches and has wait times to buy it.

>>60009783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX81ZBJ6B-k

>>60004818
so is NUC something you can build yourself or not, I'm confused?

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I built an mITX system when they were still a new thing. None of the pictures I took gave a proper sense of scale, unfortunately. The whole system is barely 10"x7"x8"

Was a cute novelty but the GPU fan drove me fucking insane with how loud it got.

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>>60010388
And a picture of it on a desk.
Headphones are HD280s if that gives a sense of scale I guess.

Not as compact as the more modern cases because it didnt make any use of PCIe risers/extension cables I guess.

>>60000280
For me it's the MacBook, the best compact computer

>>60010388
>>60009651
Is GPU fan loudness not something you can avoid? Or are there some semi-decent GPUs with quieter fans around?

>>60010417
Here's your reply but I was thinking about getting one of those Mac Minis back a few years ago. Don't really care enough to get one though.

>>60010434
Modern GPUs should help the loudness thing a lot with their fanless idle modes and greater efficiency in general.

What do you lads use SFF for? Movies, light gaming, shitposting?

>>60004597
anyone?

>>60003949
Depends. For any good SFX case, it's not that hard to stuff everything in there and get it working. It is very difficult to do it well though.

Generally, if you aren't willing to get custom cables and re-crimp your cables to the perfect length, your SFF build will always be subpar.

>>60000280
I have a first run NCase.

Not sure if it's the case or just me, but ever since I got into SFF, I'm way more concerned about actually using my computer rather than constantly working on my computer, if you know what I mean.

>>60004929
I built a hackintosh for my parents with one of these cases. Holy shit is it way sturdier than I thought. Shit's the thickest aluminum case I've ever seen. It's a fucking tank.

Just make sure you tighten the barrel connector really well at the back, and use some loctite if you have it.

I actually really like that case, I just like my discrete video cards too much to use it myself. :\

>>60010359
Yeah, you can buy the motherboards and the rest of the parts by themselves to make your own NUC.

>>60001992
I picked one up cheap second hand from and its great

>>60005445
They save space and they're subtle. I dont want a pulsating RGB meme machine, I want a smol box that doesnt look too out of place with my furniture

should i buy this case? seems like it's too good to be true

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-computer-products/peterborough/pc-case-for-sale-not-opened/1246897321?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

>>60010542
i started building mine for work as a replacement for my matx 3930k system

but i don't like the 6700k all that much so it's waiting to become my gaymen rig with a gtx1080 and i'll just build a ryzen 1800x or some xeon E5 beast for work that doesn't need to care about >muh fps. got my eye on a capture card too so i can run gaymen through a window on my main desktop or use a console instead if i want to play a console exclusive game

my sff shit is an ncase m1 with a noctua u9s cooler so it can handle extended gaming sessions with no worries about temps

>>60004597
looks like a more accommodating elite 130, if that's all you can get then why not.

>>60010241
Ehh, have a GTX 1070 and a 6700k, I don't think a pico PSU would cover it

>>60002351
Fractal Define Nano S
Easily the most spacious ITX case that doesn't actually take up lots of space.

Thought my midtower phantom 410 was too big. Bought it in 2012 where gamer aesthetics were on most good cases.

In early 2016 I sold my 3770k, GTX 970, 16GB RAM PC for $980.

For $1,200 I bought a Node 202, 600W Corsair SFX PSU, GTX 1070, 32GB DDR4, 6770k, and z170 itx board.

I think my transition to SFF went well. The only downside is the fan noise, which is why I want to maybe change to a cube it case.

>>60010408
SG05 is still one of the smallest cases now.

>>60011382
This is what I run. It's not really SFF though (see >>60005407), it can fit a full size water cooler so you can overclock like a motherfucker.

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>tfw didn't do much research when I switched to ITX, and didn't realize the Nano S wasn't actually that small since it was designed for water cooling
It looks so empty but also the cable management is on point. If I come across $150 burning a hole in my pocket somehow, I'll install a hybrid cooler on my GPU.

>>60011335
1070 mini will fit just fine in that case with hdplex 400. If you have a fullsize card then the smallest you can go is node 202 or dancase.

My problem with sff is I need it to hold a fuckton of drives.

I currently have 4 and is growing slowly.

>>60011891
Are they 2.5" or 3.5" drives? I'm >>60011845 , and I have room for one m.2 SSDs, two 2.5" drives behind the motherboard, one 2.5" or 3.5" drive on the back side next to the motherboard, and one 2.5" or 3.5" on the bottom in front of the power supply. Unfortunately there's not really an option for a drive cage even though there's room for it. But yeah, ITX isn't a good idea if you need a lot of drives.

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>>60000280
is mATX still SFF?

>>60011968
3.5

>>60011976
Also, I'm consideing just doing a low powered nas on my current pc.

>>60011976
I think the ITX case with the most 3.5" drive support is the Core 500, it can fit 3 3.5" drives, 3 2.5" drives, and it has a 5.25" drive bay. Maybe you could get by with that if you consolidated a few drives into less, bigger drives?

>>60012037
Sounds like a plan. Since I think we have 10tb now.

>>60012048
I also remembered there's these things although I'm not sure how reliable they are.

https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orico-4-Bay-Hot-Swap-3-5-SataI-II-III-External-HDD-HD-Hard-Drive-Disk/1037419_2042116212.html

>>60004676
That's like mid atx. Get that shit out of here.

>>60011972
neat, what case?

>>60011972
Not really, but the SG10 is SFF in my book for being the smallest mATX case that fits everything.

>>60003375
Looks like it's still a work in progress.

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>>60012515
It's completed. I'm not into cable management.

>>60000280
A powerbrick would save up to 40% of space. Why nobody does that?

>>60003684
>>60003595
Show those nice temps on load.

http://nfc-systems.com/s4-mini/

This dude makes some neat cases. That S4-mini is quite small.

>>60003375
Is this the same case in the op?

>>60012564
A power brick is moving the space elsewhere. It depends on what you're trying to do. If you're trying to squeeze a case into narrow spaces on a desk or TV a power brick makes sense. Otherwise a power brick has less power (not enough to power a GTX 1080TI for instance) and less reliability and lifetime due to passive cooling only.

>>60012359
Silverstone SG10

>>60004742
Kinda depends on you storage needs/if you have plans to expand down the road.

I wish there was a case like the SG13, only it was designed to be stood up vertically. Also, maybe make it SFX psu only, and move the PSU to the empty space between the motherboard and the front of the case (on the SG13) so that there is more drive and/or fan mounting options where the PSU currently is on it.

Thanks to this thread I backed the ghost s1 on kickstarter. I dont know if it will get enough since its short as fuck right now but it seems to have plenty of time left. Kind of pissed I missed the cheaper price for earlier backers.

>>60012925
ncase or ft03

>>60012654
It's the Dan A4 SFX.

I currently have an RVZ01 slim tower... i'm actually thinking of going up a size to mATX to the inWin 301, the omission of a 5" bay means they can slim the case down to 188mm (or 7.4")

Unless i can get some practical advice on making the RVZ01 quieter, because i do like the case, my only major complaint is the stock 10mm fans are noisy and i'm really not sure if i can fit 20mm ones in.

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posted this awhile back.

my setup.

Asus z170i pro gayming mobo
core i5 6600k
asus gtx1080 turbo
silverstone SG13 which i fuckin love
AIO Corsair H60 cooler for the cpu
8gb ram
few ssd

cpu temp around 28 to 30 on idle

very happy with my setup. but costs me around 2000$

maybe in future gonna build a smaller ones with much less budget. since amd got out ryzen

>>60012654
no, op posted a ghost s1

>>60013078
That's really expensive.
I bought mine last November for around 1400.
i7-6700k
Dark Rock TF
Asrock fatality z170
2x8 3000 ram
Pny 1080
Ncase m1
1tb crucial ssd

>>60012551
Can you post CPU and GPU temps?

>>60013103
sorry. i spend around myr 7000 thats actually around usd1500. lol wrong conversion just now

Did anyone actually consider building a PC case which also works as a fridge/freezer?

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>>60013105
There's not much room for CPU overclocking because of the heatsink height limitation.

>>60013293
CPU overclocking is a meme anyway.

>>60013315
It's a meme now that i7-7700K are 4.5Ghz turboboost and pre-overclocked, and Ryzen can't overclock by much.

>>60013325
it always added rather little in performance for a rather high cost.