/hpg/ - Headphone General

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rate

at what point would we be able to achieve a sound resolution on par or better than our ears using direct to neuron cochlear implants?

>>59981939
They are not neutral though.

>>59982899
HD 600 + Fulla 2

>>59982899
my vision is augmented

>>59982042
Are those fermenting?

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>>59982914
D'you still have the bhse m8? Been a while since I've been in these threads.

>>59982914
Name a more neutral headphone in production that isn't ER-4SR.

I'll wait.

>Budget
80€
>Location
Germany
>Source
Behringer USB Interface
>Type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
doesnt matter
>Sound signature
want to try the more bassy one
>Past headphones
Superlux HD668B, cheap and comfy if you stretch, not bassy enough

>>59983983
>Open or closed
Fuck I ment open

>>59983983
Used DT770

>>59984013
any open ones you can recommend?

>>59982025
Solid

>>59984031
nvm the DT 990 are open, gonna hunt for some used ones
>>59983996

>>59984031
No. Cheaper open headphones are all fairly bright. X2's are bassy, but lack sub-bass kick, and won't really be much bassier than 668B's. Good bassy open backs are only really found from planars.

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Sennheiser rs 175 purely for gaming and movies

€195

yay or nay?

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These just arrived.

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>Budget
$40 USD
>Location
USA
>Source
Fiio X1(without DAC/amp) for MUSIC
Android tablet for VIDEOS/MOVIES
>Type of headphone
IEMs/earbuds
>Comfort level
Comfortable enough for my ears and tucking into my shirt
>Sound signature
I'd prefer neutral with a boost in lows but not so much. Otherwise I'll settle for neutral or slight v-shape
>Past headphones
I've had soundmagic E10s which I loved but they broke too soon. Other than that I've only ever used urbanears buds or anything I can get at a department store that wasn't targeted to pre teens

>>59984225
Wireless trash. Fuck no.

At 200€ you can actually buy decent headphones, like the HD599.

>>59982914
You know how people are, if something is close to a certain subjective standard created by a respected company, said something must be the very definition of what the subjective standard tries to convey, untill something closer to the standard comes along and then that will be the very definition of it and so on, even if nothing really gets there.
No matter how harmful it might be, people just love dealing in absolutes.

>>59984275
Niice!

>>59983565
I think it was originally covered by a thin white faux-leather that eventually dried and started flaking.

It does look weird though, especially around the ears, as if white mold is sprouting in little cultures.

Must be an extremely old pair, but useful since old earphones were generally better built.

>>59984980
I'm saving up for an amp/DAC for them, my laptop can drive them but I don't think I've unlocked the full potential of them. No idea what to buy though,

>>59985292
Schiit Fulla 2 is pretty budget and yet is probably all you'll ever need.

>>59984431
Soundmagic E30

>>59984072
>X2's are bassy, but lack sub-bass kick, and won't really be much bassier than 668B's

This is true? Everyone touts the X2's as muddy bass cannons.
The 668b's definitely have a midbass bump, but I don't consider them too bass heavy.

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>>59982025
I knew that I saw those headphones somewhere

>>59985292
>my laptop can drive them but I don't think I've unlocked the full potential of them
If you get enough volume you are likely good already. The output can still be really shitty though. Modern smartphones tend to be good. Try it with your phone. You shouldn't be hearing massive differences if both outputs are decent.

>>59985583
X2 is more bassy. 668b has a larger midbass boost but also a lot of treble energy making it prominently V-shaped. X2 is more or less a slope which goes down the higher in frequency you go. There's a single treble peak higher up but that isn't as prominent as the 668b. X2 is warm sounding overall and the bass is less boomy and deeper than 668b.

>>59985292
>unlock their full potential
Top meme

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>Budget
1300usd
>Source
sony nw-wm1a
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Past headphones
westone um pro 50、RHA T20 I really like um pro 50. good sub-bassand,mid-bass punch and soundstage
>Sound signature
Im really satisfied my um pro 50. But westone's signature sound just not really suits female vocalists Looking for more transparent and sweet female vocal IEM. I've try AK t8ie, campfire andromeda,westone w60,earsonics's velvet ,s-em6,s-em9,noble katana
Im leaning toward velvet and katana,I really like earsoncis's warm and signature mid. katana is warm and balanced with extremely wide soundstage and detailed. but Im also consider should i getting a CIEM or flagship IEM need advice ty

>>59986236
Earsonics is like Westone. Not much upper midrange to them in general. I find your language difficult to parse, but you have already tried them?
>CIEM
Why the custom mold?

Slow day. Some wood to burn.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up/10335#post_12447731

>>59985860
>If you get enough volume you are likely good already

thanks anon

>>59986160
tbf everyone suggested getting an amp for the 250 ohm dt 880s

>>59986396
tl; dr

>>59986236

If you like warm & female vocals, have you tried the Campfire Lyra II? Also, I wouldn't got CIEM unless you know that you want a specific design. Tip-rolling is a nice option, and you aren't really getting a sound-to-money ratio from a CIEM compared to a UIEM, just a custom fit. A CIEM will be harder to sell if you end up not liking it or wanting to upgrade, too.

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Help me pls
I need a pair of iem, I travel a lot in the bus and I need something that can cancel external audio so I can hear well (memory foam is not an option because it costs me like 30dlrs), quality and isolation is very important, all of these earbuds are in the same amount of money (more or less)
also, I want something that last me a lot
I listen to like a lot of music genres so I want something dinamic, but with a great bass and nice mids as highs

>Budget
~£100
>Location
UK
>Source
iPod 5.5g/iPhone 6s
>Type of headphone
Cans
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Not fussed
>Sound signature
Neutral to slight bass - I hate harsh treble.

>>59987289
Status CB-1

>>59982042
really like the site of that actually, shows you've got a lot of use out of them. you don't often see that nowadays

>>59986683
tl;dr: false dilemmas, an endless stream of strawmen, false equivalences, oversimplifications (self-admitted), "interesting" questions that are not interesting, baseless claims, baseless assumptions, lies, golden mean fallacy, buzzwords, misuse of the word 'audiophile', preaching to the choir.

>>59987379
They look like cheap shit anon. I'm willing to go up in budget slightly if I need to.

>>59987814
Brainwavs HM5/NVX XPT100

M40X with Auray Sheepskin Leather pads, Shure840/940 pads, DT250 pads (Velour/Pleather) or MSR7 pads.

>>59987676
To think schiit shills drop this garbage as a reputable source. What a mess.

>>59985292
Don't listen to the poorfags, you'll want an amp. Buy a fulla 2, you can't go wrong.

>>59988080
>poorfags
And there goes all credibility. Especially when you decide to recommend literally the cheapest decent USB DAC/amp combo in succession.

>>59988115
Yes because it's a million times better than nothing and I'm trying to convince him to buy an amp. I'm not going to recommend some full retard amp, especially when I don't think other amps would get much more out of his headphones. The fulla 2 is great despite the price.

>>59988396
The "nothing" depends on the output quality anon has and you don't know a thing about that.

>>59988410
I'm assuming he needs an amp, he should know, otherwise he wouldn't be bringing it up. Also he uses a laptop. The fulla 2 is going to be an improvement and we both know it.

>>59988443
>I'm assuming he needs an amp, he should know, otherwise he wouldn't be bringing it up
He just got the DT880s and was looking into getting DAC/amp to "unlock full potential" of the headphones which doesn't mean anything and in all its vagueness is just audiophool nonsense.
>Also he uses a laptop. The fulla 2 is going to be an improvement and we both know it.
Yes it will. Question is does he need it and is there anything to gain there except more volume. I don't care if he gets an amplifier or DAC or shakti stones. I just want him to make an educated decision about it instead of telling "buy this", especially without any kind of knowledge of the current setup.

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>Mfw I buy a hd650 with one broken driver but otherwise mint for $100
>Mfw bought a replacement driver from sennheiser and they fucked up the credit card charge but its already shipped
>Mfw I bought an hd650 in excellent condition for $100

Audeze LCD-XCs are back from the shop after warranty fixing, blown driver on right side!

I do love the sound these things produce when they do work, but there is an dread every time i put them on with me expecting one channel to be silent or sound like a fart waving a layer of plastic wrapping!

>>59982025
Never did like the 598s, like the Noctuas of headphones!

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Can I expect a cheap ground loop isolator like this to noticeably degrade sound quality with entry level headphones like the ATH-T500?
I mean, I know I can buy a Jensen for $200, but I wonder whether it isn't mostly just placebo like premium audio cables.
All I know is they're all based on isolation transformers, but I just don't know enough about circuits to tell whether it can even have any impact at all.

>>59989419
Why would you need that on headphones?

>>59984225
Browse /hpg/ more. I've actually tried one of these at a store they're really shitty.

>>59989464

Because I have a ground loop?
I've tried other solutions, all save for a cheater plug because I'm not suicidal.

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What would be the all-around best sounding earbuds for under $110 in /mu/'s opinion? Would the Sony MDR-XB90EX be my best bet or is there something better?

>>59986396
He is right tho, HD600 and HD800 both have THD that won't bother anyone so why not EQ HD600 to sound like HDD800? Except it never works that way, and EQ them flat I would still easily tell them apart by sound, finding song artifacts was much easier on HD800. It's funny when people look at FR and THD and think they know everything about product now.

>>59984985
2 years or so actually

yeah I figure it's molding

it's weird how it was fine for a year and a half and then suddenly within a month the white shit just flaked off

>>59989597
A ground loop on headphones is just impossible. You need conflicting ground voltage references to form a ground loop. Headphones have only one ground voltage reference : the input plug cold ring.

You might have a ground loop between your audio source and headphone amplifier for example, but the most likely explanation would be a faulty plug somewhere.

>>59988557
Well, after listening to them for a few hours I have no idea what to do next. Before I bought the 880's I read that an amp was strongly recommended with the 250/600 ohm versions.

>>59983710
Nope. STAX and the tropics don't go so well together... I kept having channel balance issues with my O2.

I want to go back to STAX but it's too risky if there is no local distributor around.

>>59983711
HD800S, most Lambdas, most Omegas.

>>59989942

The noise sounds like dial-up, is rhytmic and fluctuates with CPU/HDD load, mouse movement, scrolling etc. How would a faulty plug do that?
Pulling all of the peripherials doesn't work.

>>59989851
Small spikes in the treble are nearly impossible to eq-out completely. Also transducer position is not the same on HD600 and HD800.

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>>59989419
Have you ever considered running something like this? My house is old as fuck so a complete isolation transformer to generate clean AC is the only solution to remove ground loops completely.

>>59990172
You don't have a ground loop, that's straight electrical interference. Get an external dac/amp or a properly insulated internal source.

>>59990023
The only thing changing between the versions is their voltage sensitivity. The higher impedance versions will be less loud from the same output than the low impedance ones. If you are not limited by how loud you can drive them, there isn't an issue related to the headphone load specifically. The output might still be poor or it might be all you need. I recommended you to try them with your smartphone for comparison. It can at least weed out total crap tier products but I doubt you are looking at one if you didn't notice a problem already, new headphones or not.

>>59990185
I used Sonarworks plugin and I think they knew what they were doing. Driver position influences sounstage mostly, but it was easy as fuck to tell those headphones apart when it came to fast songs and drums on metal and you can't get this different from transducer placement alone nor you can see it from FR or THD charts.

Closed or open for metal?

>>59990172
That's just a shitty sound card dude.
A ground loop sounds like hum.

Do what >>59990362 said.

>>59989851
Universal measurement couplers can't hope to tell how the frequency response is at each individual listener's eardrum. If we were able to accurately measure or predict that, we could do what you suggested.

THD is a near pointless measurement.

Why do people use sound signature and sound stage interchangeably even though they aren't even related?

Is Chord Mojo a meme?

What's the speaker equivalent of something like the M40x or MDRV6?

>>59990579
Micca PB42X or Micca MB42X + SMSL SA-60

Or wait for a sale on the JBL LSR305s.

>>59990538
They are related concepts in headphones but not the same thing. I don't see them being used interchangeably.

>>59990579
I don't even know how would you compare them to loudspeakers.

>>59986236

Check out the FLC8S it has some of the best mids I have ever heard in an IEM especially for that price. It even beats my CA dorados.

For those of you who don't have poorfag shit headphones, I'm curious:

Do you enjoy the quality of audio they bring to you? Do you appreciate music more now?

Or are they just another thing for you to spend your disposable income on while desperately hoping the next purchase will make you happy, while looking down on the idiots who surround you and their acceptance of the mediocre and overpriced?

>>59990538
They are very closely related, not that I see people acknowledge that.

>>59990418
Rudolf mentioned a few things offhandedly, anecdotes about Sonarworks. Hopefully I remember them correctly.
One of them was about developing the DSP. The engineers would keep screwing up the implementation, so they eventually gave up on developing it themselves and hired a mathematician to fix it.
In any case, one sample is not representative of all units made. There is always deviation from the reference model that must be accepted in a finished product. An exact calibration for other models of the headphone is not possible. Some margin of error will be permitted in generalizing the EQ target.

Transducer position itself doesn't matter so much, as it creates distinct shifts in the magnitude of the headphone transfer function. The result will vary as the headphone is reseated and replaced on the head.

As for >>59990515 and the interpretation of coupler results:
-Most couplers are poor representations of the human ear, average or otherwise. Material stiffness and anatomical accuracy are some more notable errors. Simulated drum impedance is ill controlled and defined, although this will have more obvious relevance to measurements of earphones.
-The recorded result at the eardrum is not so important compared to how it relates to the subject's natural transfer function.
-Individual results may not matter as much as one might first assume. These will be concentrated to high frequency deviations within the top one and one-half octaves or so.

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I had a pair of BS2 wireless headphones that I actually used the fuck out of as my primary headphones that just broke and I'm looking for a replacement that can do bluetooth and wired. Prefer over or on ear headphones, no earbuds.

My budget is $250-300

>>59991178
>Do you enjoy the quality of audio they bring to you?
Yes.
>Do you appreciate music more now?
Yes.

Glad I could help.

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>>59991178
>Do you enjoy the quality of audio they bring to you?
Yes.
>Do you appreciate music more now?
Yes.
>Are they just another thing for you to spend your disposable income on while desperately hoping the next purchase will make you happy
Yes.
>while looking down on the idiots who surround you and their acceptance of the mediocre and overpriced?
Yes.

Were those statements supposed to be incompatible?

>>59991178
Yes, yes, and yes

>>59986236
100% get CIEM. Just audition them first. Lime ears Aether is one of the best I've heard. Have a JH Angie custom.

>>59991255
QC35, MDR1A/1R BT Variants, MDR 1000X, Vmoda Crossfade.

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I just got a pair of Grado sr60es and my friend with Koss 4aa's called me a pleb

who is in the wrong here?

>>59991497
Neither, it's just preference. He likes only mids and you like no bass while I just happen to like bright headphones. We like what we like.

>>59991497
Both, but especially your friend.

>>59991525
>He likes only mids and you like no bass
so you've never worn Koss or Grado before. Interesting.

>>59991255
anything bose will blow your fucking mind

I'm considering buying a headphone stand for when I'm done using my headphones. I'm afraid that they'll end up getting slid off my desk accidentally without one. Suggestions? Or do you guys think they're a waste of money?

>>59991686
>bose
Literal botnet.

>>59991178
>Do you enjoy the quality of audio they bring to you? Do you appreciate music more now?

Yes, Yes.

>Or are they just another thing for you to spend your disposable income on while desperately hoping the next purchase will make you happy, while looking down on the idiots who surround you and their acceptance of the mediocre and overpriced?

Once you gain experience and know what kind of sound you're looking for then it's smooth sailing onward. For example I highly value a fast PRaT so for the past 5 years or so I only deal with HD800, HD800S and electrostatic. There isn't much happening in the TOTL headphone scene anyway so there isn't rally an urge to upgrade.

There is also another fact that there is a ceiling with headphone system and if you have an unlimited budget then getting a decent 2-channel speaker setup is more rewarding.

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>>59991737
They're fine as long as you realize it's just A E S T H E T I C S.

You can alternatively use two binder clips, or the cheap banana hanger peole have posted about before.

>>59991776
Never thought about using binder clips. Thanks for the response.

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So these are the only kind of headphones I've used successfully when exercising, but my last two pairs are looking old, and I can't find them for cheap any more.

Any suggestions for similar models? USA based, something that sounds halfway decent would be nice but it's the form factor I find most important.

>>59991822
There's KCS75's if you're fine with on ear clip-ons or Soundmagic E30's if you want an IEM.

>>59991803
Binder clips are awesome. Paper holders, headphone holders, keyboard switchtop opener, sex toy, chip bag fastener - a million uses.

I CLICKED BUY ON MONDAY
WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU SHIPPED ANYTHING AMAZON?

FUCK YOU I'M NOT BUYING PRIME

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>buy new expensive headphones
>don't really hear a difference

>>59992003
[insert obligatory "what headphones did you get?" post here]

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>>59990059
That's too bad. Been on the hunt ever since for an SR-Ω but they rarely come up for sale. I think the last one that sold on head-fi was for stupid money.

>>59992084
hd 598 upgrading from 668b

maybe it's my pleb ears

>>59992003
You didn't buy an expensive new amplifier at the same time, did you? You fucked up. You should buy a better DAC too, otherwise you're just throwing your money away.

>>59992096
Give yourself some time to get used to them, then try going back to the 668b's.

>>59992096
They shouldn't be assaulting your ears with treble like 668b. Apart from that, it's no surprise you don't hear an immediate difference.

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>>59992096
>hd 598
>expensive

>>59992100
Not with hd598. Good attempt at shitpost but you fell a little short. 3 out of 10.

>>59992095
As nice as they sound, it's probably not worth the risk considering their going price these days... There is also a chance you get one that comes fitted with O2 drivers, that would suck major balls.

The latest SR-007 made after 2016 does sound awesome though. If I were to get back to STAX, I'll definitely get this one. They're a bloody steal at around two grands which makes you realize how fucked up the prices of TOTL dynamic cans these days.

>>59992317
I'd probably have to convince someone to let go of their pair for about $5k to be honest (working, with original drivers, etc) despite him not having them up for sale.

Anyway, I did read that the new 007s are better than the old Mk2s. I could get an older 007A for pretty cheap though (120k yen give or take).

Just think I'd end up listening to my 009s far more than the 007s.

>>59992317
Was Zeos right about STAX being endgame material?

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>>59992409
Yes, but him doing this is utterly retarded.

>>59992418
tbqh the stock pads did look uncomfortable

>>59992443
They're really not, and just slapping 007 pads on a lambda will absolutely fuck with the sound (not positively).

>>59992418
Zeos not being retarded would be the bigger shock.

>>59992456
There's nothing wrong with zeos

>>59992456
True enough.

>>59992394
The newer one is really nice. I think it makes the older MK1 completely obsolete and I *might* prefer it over the SR-009 as well since it has more weight to its sound and a gentler treble.

IIRC aren't you the Canadian who DIY your own amps?

>>59992409
I don't know about Zeos but I would agree, though only specifically in regards to SR-007 and SR-009. STAX is unmatched in speed, timbre and tonal balance. They also have this uncannily clear sound because of the inherent low distortion of their planar driver.

I still prefer the bass on traditional dynamic cans though.

>>59992541
Yep, using a T2 at the moment.

>>59992541
How much would you have to spend to get STAX performance with speakers & room treatment?

>>59992574
A hell of a lot more than the stax would cost.

>>59992409
I had a chance to listen to the L700's and no headphone i've ever listened to had me floored like they did. Nothing I've listened even came close (including the 009s).

>>59992541
Is electrostatic that good? You make it sound that way.

>>59987156
These seem to range in price quite widely. What's your price point?
Also, any particular reason for your choices here? The AiAiAi's in particular don't seem to be a huge item.
What country are you in? I recommended the foam tips yesterday because in the US you can get 10 pairs of tips for about $10USD.

>>59992603
>Nothing I've listened even came close

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser-he-1

>Budget
150
>Location
USA
>Source
USB or 3.5
>Type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Either - I've never owned open, but willing
>Comfort level
I wear glasses
>Sound signature
Neutral or slight bassy-no gaming headsets
>Past headphones
HyperX cloud 2, Logitech g230

Looking at dt 770/880 pro or ATH m50x
Also considering an amp, never owned one either. maybe 75$ for amp

>>59992640
yes exactly, nothing ive listened to came close, and ive never listened to the Orpheus. I am also not planning on dropping 55k on headphones anytime soon so whats the point.

>>59992590
I've heard good things about DSP enabled sound conditioning - Dirac Live and all that.

I want to add a subwoofer to my speakers. Should I just split the audio and send to both, or is an active crossover worth the money?

>>59992696
>not remortgaging to buy the endgame of all endgames

>>59992734
The JBL M2s use room correction too iirc. $20k for a pair, but you get nearly loliflat 20Hz-20kHz.

>>59992676
>I wear glasses
>ATH m50x
nope, audiotechnica is very uncomfortable for long sessions

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>Budget
350 CAD (After tax if possible)
>Location
Canada
>Source
Wireless is mandatory (audio jack would be nice too since its for my phone)
>Type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
doesnt matter
>Sound signature
Dunno what this means but I guess a more bass like one?
>Past headphones
Beats mixr, beats solo 2 wireless, astro a40

>>59992839
$175 for a MiniDSP and calibrated microphone for room correction is kinda intriguing. Like how much of a difference would it really make.

>>59992891
Well it should correct the FR of a speaker at whatever given listening position, but not much past that. DSP isn't going to kill reflections (shit like comb filtering) & whatnot.

Opinions on the xduoo x3, or any cheap DAPs in general? Saw a post here a few days ago.
I'm using the Fiio x1 gen 1, but the software is a piece of shit.

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>>59984225
Why not get something like this for $12?

>>59992676
M50x or 770's are neither neutral or slightly bassy.

>>59992978
X3 is good because it can be rockboxed. Ask /csg/ for cheap DAP reccs tho.

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Should I pull the trigger?

http://www.ghostekproducts.com/ghostek-sodrop-2-wireless-bluetooth-headphones.html

I just need something to replace my wireless beats solo 2

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Is this a good setup

>>59993130
Alright, I'll try asking there.
I see the site for rockbox and how to install it on the xduoo but can't find anything for what it's like.
Could you tell me your experience with rockbox?

>>59982042
[spoiler]whats wrong with you[/spoiler]

>>59982025
I hear the 598cs is better. Is this true?

>>59992879
Check if you can get the V-Moda crossfade wireless, it's bassy, built like a tank and has tons of optional accesories for it.
I suggest the XL pads if you do get them.

>>59990059
>HD800S, most Lambdas, most Omegas.
All of these are FAR from neutral.

At least you tried.

>>59991497
dare your friend wear his autism phones in public

>>59993762
Neutral according to Harman?

Considering getting Sennheiser HD 380 Pro for 100$ but i'm not sure if they can play loud... For the longest time i've been using software to increase the sound at the cost of quality but i'm buying a new motherboard with a decent onboard sound card and i'm pretty much looking for headphones to listen to orchestral suites, rock/metal sub-genres, soundtracks(some of which use alot of bass and electro sounds). I generally don't listen to music to relax/when relaxed but rather to induce strong emotions thus why i plan to use them at high db. Sorry for the longpost first time buyer here probably included alot of useless info.

>>59992619
I have 50 bucks
I'm in Mexico and a simple pair of foams costs like 25 dollars
I put aiaiai here because of the isolation but I heard that the af33 are very good canceling too

>>59982042
Mine and my cousin's white ATH-M50s are both that bad on the band. I got a little knit headphone cushion on eBay that just snaps on and hides the cancer.

>>59992676
DT770's are the way to go for closed.

AKG K612 or HD598 are good in the price range if you want open. Neither is particularly bassy.

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>>59989136
The right side on my LCD-2 just died today... probably out of warranty, and I can't afford to buy new ones for probably a year.

>>59994349
You could send them in to audeze if you wanna get jewed out of a few hundred for a new driver.

Why does QC35 need access to my phonebook? To tell me caller identity?

>>59994182
Hmm, do you currently not have any headphones or something? I don't see why they wouldn't be able to play loud enough. Kind of curious why you've needed software to increase sound.

>>59994221
Can you order from Amazon, or is it something you have to get in person?

>>59994182
whats your budget

>>59994595
yeah, but Amazon here is shit, you have to pay like 20dlrs of shipping and the prices are the same, that's why foams are not an option for me, do you have any alternatives?

>>59994570
Element HD-3500G got em for 20€. They played less loud than my older ones (different brand) that were around the same price, i usually boost the sound source by 150% leading to major quality drops to get them playing at my prefered level. However i'd say they're pretty good for their price on everything else i just can't enjoy my music on low.

>>59994596
Up to 150€ maybe 200€ if the 50€ jump is really worth it(also i'm from greece so taxes factor in).

>>59990538
Because they're dumb? Ive never seen that happen. Though they are related.

>>59993184
Havent used the X3 specifically, though I have used rockbox for a long while. It behaves pretty much identical on all devices. I have the xDuoo X2 as a tiny little player and its okay. No rockbox on that one tho sadly.

>>59994762
Maybe the amp in your current source is shit. You could wait until the new motherboard arrives and see if that's louder. I don't have the HD 380s, but the HD 280s were pretty sensitive.

Also personal opinion, uneven or peaky frequency responses get painful or fatiguing at higher volumes, so I turn them down. More neutral FR can have me listening at a higher level.

>>59994732
Sorry, I don't know of any alternatives to Amazon which would offer a more favorable shipping arrangement to locations in Mexico.

>>59994968
>Maybe the amp in your current source is shit.
Possibly that's the case, however i do recall my older headphones still being able to play louder.
>the HD 280s were pretty sensitive.
is that a good thing?(fairly new into headphones) or you mean sensitive as in volume
>uneven or peaky frequency responses get painful or fatiguing at higher volumes
experienced that too, hence my main motivation at upgrading headphones as well.

>>59991949
But prime is free if you're a student for 6 months

>>59995165
Rewritting this:

Prime is free for six months if you're a student, I think I got asked if I was a student when I bought a textbook, just hit yes and got prime.

>>59982025
Me on the left

>>59989151
Whirrrrrrr

>>59984225
>>59993061
Both will give you cancer and headaches

>>59995483
Don't forget buyer's remorse

>>59995483
Yes, radio frequencies give you headaches and cancer. I'm sure.

>>59988443
My Lenovo PRC botnet drives headphones much better than my PC.

>>59992096
I was thinking of doing the exact same. I'm scared.

>>59995506
They do, which is why cell phones are supposed to be over 1 inch away from your body in those gay little belt clips everyone stopped using after 2005.

Why do people say all the DT 880s are the same when pros like innerfidelity found clear differences between the versions?
Is there any evidence they're all the same?

>>59995622
Link to the measurements showing the differences?

>>59995622
There was a notable difference between the 32ohm and the 250/600ohm versions. The difference between the 250 ohm and 600 ohm 880s is small though. Source: I used to own both versions.

>>59995663
The 32 ohm should be the same. Did you test it double blind with volume matching?

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How the fuck are you faggots still here?
Go outside, get a job.

>>59995692
I didn't own the 32ohm ones. Just read this m8

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparison-beyerdynamic-dt-880-32-ohm-dt-880-250-ohm-and-dt-880-600-ohm-headphones-page-2

>>59992112
>wait for buyers remorse to set in
ftfy

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>>59995695
Work is slow today

>>59995699
>veiled sounding
>hard sounding
What did he mean by this?

>>59995734
Veiled refers to a lack of treble, roughly speaking. "Like putting a veil over a speaker". Hard sounding is pretty much too bright/harsh. See Tyll's review of the ultrasone edition 10 for a visual representation :^)

>lush
>wet
>holographic
>ethereal
>liquid

headphone reviewers need to off themselves

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I bought the etynomics for their flange tip but holy shit the foam tips are so much better.

How long till these lose their fluffiness and how often should I change them out with new ones? Any tips on making them last longer like throwing them in the washing machine and dryer?

>>59995810
Ethereal is the one that bothers me the most. It's completely lost meaning to them.

Why is zreviews such a faggot.

>>59993182
it is if you ignore the fact that all ultrasone products are complete dogshit

>>59995849
>throwing them in the washer machibe and dryer
This kills the tip.

>>59995916
How so? I've put earplugs through washer and dryer and they gain their fluffiness back. Would the rubber bit that runs through them collapse or something?

>>59995947
I'm not quite sure. I've only tried foam tips from Comply and those have a plastic tube with adhesive to keep it in there so I jist assumed it would clean the adhesive out and melt the tube.

>>59995978
That would make sense. I'll try it once these buds get gross and old.

>>59992096
Well I still prefer my 668b over my dt770's for many genres

>>59995091
Sensitive meaning requires less power for a certain volume. Theoretically you can calculate exactly what you want, but often manufacturers don't give complete specs. Here's a really long article about the subject: http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/09/more-power.html

>experienced that too, hence my main motivation at upgrading headphones as well.
That's a good enough reason.

>>59996084
>tfw nwavguy is kill

He was going to design a desktop amp as a companion to the mobile-focused O2... things that will never be.

>>59991178
>Do you enjoy the quality of audio they bring to you?
Yes but it's gotten to the point where I expect it and don't pay attention to it.
>Do you appreciate music more now?
Yes. I don't focus on the gear so much. I have what I want so music is what I keep caring about. I'm here to talk and give advice, not to get myself a new product.
>Or are they just another thing for you to spend your disposable income on while desperately hoping the next purchase will make you happy
There's no desperation or hope. I'm satisfied with the purchases.
>while looking down on the idiots who surround you and their acceptance of the mediocre and overpriced?
I don't don't do that.

>>59991768
>For example I highly value a fast PRaT
That's some experience alright.

>>59992003
>>59992096
There are obvious differences between those two. Ones which you can describe pretty accurately just by listening.

>>59992891
>Like how much of a difference would it really make.
DSP? Generally a huge one. It's very effective at removing or reducing the room response in a single listening spot.

>>59995692
You can't do that with headphones.

>>59995699
One of the worse articles Tyll made. Mostly because he tries to explain what he perceives based on the measurements which he fails to understand.

>>59995849
Squeeze the foam tips gently in soap water after use, then rinse and let them dry. Replacements are frequent. I don't know how many pairs I've gone through.

>>59996128
ODA is basically what the ODAC/O2 combo units came to be.

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Are Senso bluetooth headphones(~$36) the best value bluetooth headphones?

Budget
$100~115
>Location
USA
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Over-Ear, Noise-cancellation
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Not too important but I'm a borderline NEET so I'll be using them a ton
>Features
Bluetooth is a huge plus

>>59996153
Okay I'll try cleaning them like that and see how it is. On average how long do the tips last for you? I think I'll buy a 10 pack of them for replacing.

>>59985636
Finally I can look like senpai

>>59996005
Really? Such as what?

Almost 10 years ago I bought a Klipsch S4 based on /g/'s advice and loved it, but the cable broke and I feel like it's kind of outdated...

What should I get for 2017? Thanks!

>>59996511
A month or two on my use. Usually the centerpiece breaks off.

>>59996795
/g/ wasn't even a board 10 years ago

Does the ATH-M50x is still a good choice for a closed headphone?

>>59996907
No, it's raised in price and isn't recommended much anymore. I've heard my friend's OG M50's and they're nothing special and I'm using 668B's rn.

>>59996933
Interesting, thanks for the info.

I feel like my left ear canal is narrower than my right and have trouble getting my IEM in my ear even with the smallest sized tips, I'm using the ATH-IM50 and I had to take the tips off of my previous $15 IEMs and they aren't long enough to fit on them, push them back far enough I get the tip sticking out of the cover

Are there any small eartips that can fit on them while still able to fit them into my ears properly?

Im looking for some somewhat cheap headphones, There used to be a good guide for this that was often posted in these threads

>Budget
<50$

>Location
US, but I mean I'll like order them online.... so does that matter?

>source
3.5mm audio jack

>Type
earbuds
Preferably with a flat cable, as these will be for more mobile use and tangling is annoying.

comfort is important

I used to have some JBL J22A and loved them but they fell apart, I bought a new pair off Ebay but I think it was a knockoff, also fell apart (though in a different way)
I have some Panasonic RP-HJE120-A and love they way they feel and just don't die, but they are kinda trash sound quality, and the wire tangles endlessly.

As far as sound signature I dont think I am too picky... probably warm to neutral? But I really don't know.

>>59997003
oh and before you complain at me I couldn't find any info graphs in the csg about this

>>59992096

You actually fell for the 598 meme, congratulations

>>59992096
It took me a week to start appreciating it. From there, it was smooth sailing.

Also, these do really need an amp, due to very odd impedance response that varies greatly across frequency.

It gets said a lot, but most smartphones do have a headphone amp built in. Try watching some youtube music videos on computer vs phone. If phone sounds different, getting something like a Fulla 2 would be a good idea.

The quality of your music starts to matter here. You should look into getting FLACs or other lossless, at least for your favorite music.

After a couple weeks, try your old headphones, and you'll notice how shit they are.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDRXB450AP-Extra-Smartphone-Headset/dp/B00NBMHT6C
is this any good?

Can someone help please, i've been having an autism and axiety strike from having to buy new headphones and not being able to choose lol.

>Budget
150$ tops i suppose but prefferably 50-100.
>Location
Not US, i dunno i can use online shop can i.
>Source
Into player, maybe PC\Console so 3.5mm right?
>Type of headphone
Closet full size
>Comfort level
Detachable cable is a must. Prefferably not massive as fuck. Definetly want solid rim too.
>Sound signature
Clear sound. No need for equaliser fuckery.
>Past headphones
Senheiser hd 215 - liked them for clear sound and low price but they are very bulky and old...if anything else fails i can buy them again i guess.

So far i found Audio-Technica ATH-M40x but not sure about their sound, sennheiser HD 579 look alright too but they are a bit expensive and i heard sound is not so grand.

>>59992891
Tremendous once you actually know how to use it. Afterwards there's no turning back, be it for speakers, headphones or car audio.
>t. DSP user since 2011

>>59997339
Status CB-1/Somic MM185

>>59997376
Thanks! Although i guess i overestimated "i can just order from online" because i can't find those anywhere but amazon...is there any option without foldable cups?

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Just dropping this here.

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>>59997420
That's shitposting isn't it?

>>59997453
You never know with audiophiles.
>new sounds better than malloc

I'd like a new closed headphone so music don't leak to the people around me, and I'm tired of my IEMs.

>Budget
Around 150€
>Location
West europe
>Source
Into smartphone and occasionally PC
>Type of headphone
Closed f- ull size
>Comfort level
Want some good comfort
>Sound signature
Nothing in particular
>Past headphones
Audio Technica ATH-AD500, I love this one so much, but can't use it in public transports.

Thanks

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for DT770, should I get the 250 ohm or 80 ohm?

I am using a fiio x1.

Thanks!

>>59997566
80 Ohm

>>59997416
Superlux HD 662 EVO

>>59993496
Hell no.

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>>59997673
ill

>>59992541
>>59992615

Seconding this question. So if you want to build an end game headphone rig, going electrostatic is better?

>>59997339
Sennheiser HD380 Pro

Comfortable, high isolation, neutral-ish signature (actually a little bassy), good sounding.

They work well without an amp at low volumes, benefit a lot from an amp when cranking it up. I use mine at work with a fulla 2.

>>59997420
Oh, someone dropped this to me (possibly you) elsewhere half a day ago.

Very amusing. I have to think that, lost as he looks, it actually does sound better. Why? Because he's seriously having issues with his code.

It's not hard to imagine buffer overruns and such happening with bad code, leading to hearable issues.

Can anybody recommend an active noise cancelling, over ear set with good bass for less than $150?

>>59998083
>active noise cancelling
>under $150
Pick one.

If what you actually need is good isolation, Sennheiser HD380 Pro is a decent headphone with high isolation and an overall neutral yet somewhat bassy signature.

>>59998083
Try Sony's XB Line up those are really good if you listen to a lot of HipHop

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Are headphone users even human?

They unironically think that putting speakers on their ears is acceptable in any way.

Either you have real speakers, or you have real problems.

>>59998259
>headphones
No. Not phones. Ear Speakers.

>>59998132
No him but I saw the Sennheiser HD 598C, how it is compared to the HD 380?
They're both around the same price.

>>59998558
The HD380 Pro is a reputable neutral-ish (sold as "studio monitors", and this is accurate except somewhat bassy) headphone with lots of favorable reviews.

The HD598cs aren't trying to be neutral, do not have that many reviews or that favorable, and ultimately are leeching on the HD598 good name while holding no relation to them whatsoever in frequency response.

The HD598se

>>59998672
Ignore the last line in that post. Just a minor mess up.

>>59986236
>>59986943

Are you guys idiots or something? Why would anybody spend over 50 bucks on fucking iems, the quality doesn't matter because the outside ambiance noise is going to cancel out most sound anyways, plus you're not really paying attention to music outside the way you are at home.

Stop wasting your money.

>>59996835
I said almost. It was 7 or 8 years probably, I don't know.

>>59998259
>disturbing the whole neighborhood because you're a dick.

>>59997978
I don't think it's right to presume. It's possible with memcopy for instance that he replaced it and fixed some error accidentally. But given the replies here they're all out of their minds it seems.
https://www.audioasylum.com/messages/pcaudio/119979/re-a-revolution-in-audio-rendering
Audio asylum is a fitting name it seems.

I don't think this is actually an overrun issue though He did replace memcpy wiht A_memcpy.

Sounds more like he's not writing fast enough and the play cursor catches up to the write cursor causing some issues. But it's beyond me how you could have these issues in 2013. It's probably because he's writing into the ringbuffer without regard for the cursors.

I mean just his testing methodology of this player is completely insane.
>"playing wav files from a ramdisk gave best sound"
Yeah, you have speed issues. This isn't the 80's, if the quality of your playback is determined by what device you store the media file on you're simply doing it wrong.

But they can sit there and jerk off/be dumb all they want.
It's quite funny.
https://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/12/120020.html
>SBGK - people like you don't get enough thanks for sharing your results of an enormous amount of time & effort.
>I will now spoil it by asking if you could compile a Win 7 32 bit version? Or is that a lot of work changing the code?
>Cheers
>Jonathan

>>59987835
Not him, but are the m40x pads really that bad?

>>59998740
>the quality doesn't matter because the outside ambiance noise is going to cancel out most sound anyways
You know it's possible and common to block the outside noise, right?

>>59998785
>Audio asylum is a fitting name it seems.
Indeed. Thanks for doing the (trivial) research I was too lazy to do, and providing the actual url.
>I mean just his testing methodology of this player is completely insane.
Yes, he obviously has no clue what he's doing, which makes it obvious that "bad sound" is highly likely to do with overruns or cuts.

And the fact he thinks he's made a brilliant discovery shows that, ironically, he isn't so bright.

Are Klipsch R6 good in-ear speakers for its price??

>>59998921
Yes, you don't have to spend 300 dollars for that though.

Waste of money. Stop.

Just pulled the trigger on Stoner Acoustics UD125.
Did I fuck up? Do sambal niggers know their solder?

>>59998672
Ex-poorfag here. As someone who has only ever listened with shit-tier Gummi earbuds would I notice a huge difference between the two? I mean I'm able to spend the extra $30 for the 380s but I don't really want to if the 598 will suit me. Noise reduction is really important because busy office so I guess it comes down to that.

>>59999550
literally never heard of it

>>59999575
>Noise reduction is really important because busy office so I guess it comes down to that.
HD380 Pro are known to be high noise isolating. Many reviews do mention it isolates more than other closed headphones. HD598cs has no such reputation.

>Budget
$150 - maybe $200 if it is REALLY worth it.

>Location
UK

>Source
3.5mm stereo jack

>Type of headphone
Full

>Open or closed
Closed pls, I don't live alone.

>Comfort level
Pretty comfy, when I'm at home to use these I go on for about 5-6 hours straight. the m50s started to hurt after like 2 hours.

>Past headphones
planatronics 780, ath m50x

>>59999648
Forgot to add I have a pair of soundmagic e80c if that matters.

>budget
$25-$30
>Location
US
>Source
Android
>type of Headphone
IEM
>comfort
whatever
>past
Xiaomi Pistons

>>59999575
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/global-downloads/file/2988/HD380Pro_Productsheet.pdf

"Passive noise attenuation: Up to 32dB"

Cannot find facts about HD598cs.

>>59999716
>(((sennheiser))) manufacturer specs
>facts

>Cannot find facts about HD598cs.
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/graph#409/349
Poor isolation. These headphones don't isolate any sound below 300Hz. However, the closed-back earcups of the HD 598 Cs achieve an average amount of isolation in the Mid Range, by attenuating the sound by about 12dB. In the Treble Range they achieve about 32dB of isolation which is good.

>>59999898
My bad. I should have used quotes, like "facts".

I suggest HD380 Pro for isolation, and HD599 or HD598se for home/noisolationneeded.

>>59994356
>LCD
Is that how much they usually charge for a replaced driver out of warranty?

>>59989841
no
the bass sucks

Recs on slim non battery using DAC/amps I can velcro to a spare phone. Under $50.

>>59996153
Yes you can you autist

how do I prolong the life of my earphones? I don't think I take good enough care of them

>>60000870
Avoid smashing them onto the floor, they should be fine.

>>59999575
If you want to go cheaper, there are much better options than the 598cs.

Status cb-1 or nvx XPT100.

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I'm currently using a Creative Sound blaster Play! 2 sound card in my computer (pic related)

Would the Behringer UCA202 be any improvement? How would it compare to a modern smartphone (eg. iPhone 5s)?

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>>59996277

Bump

>>60000353
Alright I think I'm almost sold on these guys but I'm new to headphones in general so before I buy them, is this the best isolation along with fidelity I'm going to get with this budget?

>>60001100
>>60001030
Posted this before seeing your reply. I'll look into those, thanks.

>>59993182
What I think of ultrasones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ&

>>60001096
Those thighs aren't even thicc, they're just wide and fucking disgusting.

>>60001096
urrrgghhhh

GUIZE I'M LE GAYMER TEEHEE PAY ATTENTION TO ME ME PLEASE TEE HEE

>>59998740
Sounds like you haven't thought possible use cases and advantages through.

>>60000823
No you can't. The problems with the procedure are the reason why in headphone research it's common to use a single simulation headphone which switches between multiple equalized profiles of other headphones or target responses. Explain the methodology to blind switch headphones you have in mind.

>>60001100
HD380 will probably provide the best isolation, but the CB-1 and XPT100 will likely be more comfortable and have a more neutral sound.

>>59999709
halp

>>60001532
Have people place them on randomly selected listeners.
All the DTs are identical in build and feel.

>>59995058
no, I mean on headphones, especially iem

DT 990 for $5 + free shipping:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00193FT26

>>60002472
Obvious scammer.

>>59996973
Any help?

>>59997549
ATH MSR7

Where should I buy HD598s? In USA.

>>60001532
Its the same headphone with different impedance.

>>60002951
Amazon would probably be your best bet, unless you want to try and find cheaper ones on Ebay

>>60002951
>>60003035
Amazon, and only sold by amazon.

Fakes exist for the HD598. They're easy to recognize as such, but still, I wouldn't bother with the risk.

Idiot question. Among FiiO D03K, O2 amp, and Fulla2, what do I use to connect my headphone with a PS4?

I bought the PS4 for muh gaymen desires without having a TV or speakers, so I had to plug the headphones (M40x) via a monitor for sound. The volumes are maxed out, but I felt that the sound is noticeably quieter compared to when I plug it in Scarlett to listen on PC.

>Budget
100-200 USD ~
>Location
West europe
>Source
desktop, no DAC yet
>Type of headphone
Closed over ear big canz
>Comfort level
comfy but good looking
>Sound signature
clear neutral sound I guess, but I'm not apposed to a little more bass than my last headphones
>Past headphones
I just ripped my k550s apart on accident after 3 1/2 years, they were ok

>>60003576
yeah i also was looking for a recommendation for an amp to use on ps4
i know you can connect ur headphones via usb now but idk if the nicer amps would allow me to use my mic too

i have hd598's, do i even need to bother with this or should i just plug it into the controller?

>>59997863
It's expensive as fuck.

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Why in the world were the MDR V6 discontinued?
Now that mine have fully died, my only option is to pay $100 for a greasy used pair on eBay, or pay $500 for a new in-box pair from some random person online and probably receive pic related.

Fucking hell, man.

>>59997863
Not really, people think the driver type is associated with certain tonal characteristics and that's just plain wrong.

The technology doesn't matter, it's the implementation and/or personal preferences.

For the record, I prefer listening to a HD650/HD600 over a SR-009 because the latter are more neutral.

>>60004092
$83 dollars on amazon. Buy direct from amazon.com to ensure that it's genuine.

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>>60002285
Sorry. I'm in the same situation. I too am shopping around for my next pair of IEMs in the $10 - $15 USD price range.

I'm looking at pic related right now. Though, I'm also checking out the ones you had pictured before.

>>60003576
>>60003916
All you need is a 3.5 to 3.5 cable that plugs into the left jack on the fulla 2, the other end goes into your ds4 obviously. I use my ps4+fulla 2 with 600's and it goes more than loud enough for me, but nothing crazy. It works great

>>60004103
>former/latter
You sure you know which is which?

>>59998874
I've tried my friends M50's and the pads are pretty bad, couldn't wear them longer than maybe an hour.
>>59999648
DT770 80 Ohm or Custom One Pro
>>59999709
Tennmak Pro
>>60003823
Brainwavs HM5/NVX XPT100

>>60004103
Maybe but I've yet to hear something as neutral as the L700.

>>60003174
The ones sold by Amazon are always genuine right? I'd guess marketplace sellers are risky since they're mirrors of ebay half the time

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Are these $9 chink cables for the 598 any good? I know cables are a meme but some chink cables are pretty bad and you have to twist them cause audio only gets to one ear.

How do I mod my 668Bs to be closed without making them ugly as shit?

>>60004889
They look very similar to the ones I bought and they sound fine, everything works like it should, what brand are they by chance?

>>60004993
There's no brand. Sellers on aliexpress either just give a generic title or brand it with their own name

>>60004889
i have them and they sound fine
i just haven't used them very much because i didn't realize SE came with a shorter cable anyways

>>60005023
Well here's the ones I got, while they're not exactly $9 they're pretty good and look nearly identical to the ones in that pic

https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Audio-upgrade-Sennheiser-Headphones/dp/B00KAKBHKM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492803940&sr=1-1

>>60004906
If you want closed 668B's, take a look at Samson SR950's/Superlux 669's. You can open up the back and put cotton or whatever material you decide to use to dampen the vents.

>>60004860
Yes, but I'd still google for info on the fakes (they're recognizeable), because amazon return abuse is common.

Like in this thread or previous ones, it's not common to see people do things like order 3 headphones to try them out and then return all of them but one.

>>60000609
Is there anything better within my price range?

Is there a difference in comfyness and sound produced (not the sound that leaks) between the sr850 and sr950?

Are there any closed upgrades to the DT770 before the $400-500 price range and the Th X00?

Considering the MSR7, but that seems more like a change in sound signature than an upgrade.

is the ath m50x a meme or are they actually good? Also goddamn does the white version look sexy.

Which are the most comfortable, Fidelio X, DT880 or HD600/650?

>>60006022
fidelio
dt 880's drivers touch your ears and hd600/650 have death clamp

>>60004232
>former

I should really proof-read my posts.

>>60005544
Yes, I have the SR950 and 668B; They both have the same drivers so it's pretty similar. SR950 is Definitely bassier though it gets muddy at times, the soundstage is bigger than average imo and it clamps a bit more than the 668B/SR850. They're both still pretty comfy.

>>60006048
Try DT770 pads on the 880's. They're stiffer than the stock 880 pads and should help with that issue.

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Are headphone amps a meme?

I'm getting decent headphones for the first time, mostly I'm going to listen to music from the computer with a direct cable from the front panel of the pc tower.

So I wanted to know if having an amp would make a noticeable difference or improve the sound quality.

>>60006411
What headphones are you going to get?

>>60006411
>Are headphone amps a meme?
No, some headphones really do need a dedicated amp. But the need is overstated for many.

>>60006710
>>60006710
>>60006710
>>60006710

New thread.

>>60006411
No, I can understand when some people go mad over expensive SS amps, tubes are different tho, but when people tell that you don't need amp at all they are just plain retarded. They are also retarded when they say that amp only to make things louder, there was a very noticeable difference in sound of my HD600 through amp and through just my macbook even tho my mac would go really loud volume wise. But in the end it depends on headphone, shit like HD600 really needs at least a basic amp, shit like X2 may still benefit from an amp but much, much less. DESU most of SS are overpriced and you would do good with either objective 2 or magni 2/fulla 2.