/pcbg/ - PC Building General

also
>post your insane component list
>are you a virgin

>RX480 is about 8-12% faster than RX470.
>RX580 about 5-10% faster than RX480.
>You can flash an RX480 to RX580 but the GPU die, cooler, and PCB are all inferior to the top end ones.
>A good RX480 like the XFX GTR is similar to the lower end RX580s that are selling for <$230, and will usually BIOS flash to one of those models fine. Or you can manually OC, duh.

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>>59973087
I did see it looked cute but fiji(nano in this case) with it's 4kshaders and minor bump in performance didn't look like a good deal for how much they were charging for it($400+?) kinda wasted tech,plus I can only get them second hand now and it's still expensive af.

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>>59973241

Hawaii is built to destroy if you can clock it high enough. Destroys games along with your power bill.

Guys i did not follow Polaris memory OC thingy. I remember there were some problems when timings were getting worse as clock wetn higher but i dont remember if it was bypassed somehow or i dunno. If someone follows OC tech please respond.

>>59973241
Yeah same.
I had a 7970 at the time and I wanted one so fucking bad.
So much more power efficient, smaller
... but not even double the performance with drivers at the time for something newer and more expensive.
And you couldn't overclock them like Tahiti and Hawaii.

So I waited and I wait. Figured they'd come out with a second generation Nano soon. It's been almost 2 years now.

>>59973029
>1080p gamin
470 or 570?

>>59973438
570 of course. What the fuck is this question? Well if they cost the same or around of course.

>>59973438
Yes.

>>59973438
Depends on price. Can't you figure that you yourself by >>59973057?
If the RX470 is >20% lower price, especially if it's a decent RX470 model, then it's a much better value.

I wouldn't buy reference RX470s or ones with shit coolers, though. The coolers on non-ref are way better. And the RX570 coolers are even better still.

>start messing with overclocking 1700 on crosshair hero
>all dem options to tweak

Ryzen is really quite interesting to overclock given how so many things are tied into others. It sure helps that Pstate overclocking means you can get best of both worlds - the high core clocks as well as the ability to the chip to clock down when not under load.

dumb question. If a gpu offers zero fan modus while the cheaper version does not. Does that mean that the fans are always on on the cheaper version? Or how do I have to understand it? Regarding the rx 570 sapphire pulse itx vs nitro+

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Beginning transplant. Nurse! Have the receipt at the ready.

>>59973501
>>59973501
>>59973501
move to new thread

>>59973892

>Does that mean that the fans are always on on the cheaper version?

Yes - their minimum speed will be anything above zero (probably 20%).

>>59973959
which means that, if you want a silent system, you should go for the more expensive card that offers zero fan modus?

Best build comin thru
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WVc2nn

I have a 1050 Ti

Should I upgrade to 1060 6gb, 480 4gb, or >le wait meme?

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Do you guys agree with this PSU calculator for this hypothetical computer?

http://outervision.com/b/nebq0X

>>59973988

There is a world of difference between zero decibels and what the human ear can pick up. What people often forget is when your system is under heavy load it is most likely the psu fan making the biggest noise in your case.

>>59974059
I already answered in previous thread.

I'm upgrading from a fx6300 to a 7600k. I'm not going to be streaming while gaymen. I still can't think of a reason to get a 1600x instead.

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>>59973937
Successful swap. Beginning diagnostics.

Oh and by the way, what are the chances Im able to boot right into windows 10 on this new build? Linux booted right up when I pointed the bootloader at the proper drive. Although it did say "unknown hardware detected".

Should I do a fresh install of Windows 10 even if it boots? Or would I get by fine with just removing all traces of Intel drivers, restarting, and installing new drivers?

>>59974138

>upgrading to a dead socket

>>59974147
DDU

>>59974147

>Should I do a fresh install of Windows 10 even if it boots?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot

(That is a yes)

How do I upgrade to W10 without all the botnet shit?

>>59974157

I know I only come up with memes. No real reason to go ryzen.

>>59974138
I'll give you some

AMD actually gives you a decent stock cooler included with the chip.

Not supporting a company that has been price gouging forever (Intel)

You're getting 12 threads with similar performance in single core and gaming, but absolutely curb stomp the 760k in multithreading.

You're getting the above for cheaper than the i5

The i5 k series will require an over priced Z series board to take advantage of the overclocking while the Ryzenchip can and will do overclocking on even the budget B350 series boards

Ryzen has proper fluxless solder under it's lid and won't run nuclear a few years from now

While OC headroom on Ryzen is small, you won't have to delid your CPU to do it. Unlike Kaby/skylake, delidding is practically required for high long term OC's

Lastly, recent games have shown to run very well on moar coar. Smoother gameplay and higher lows in fps compared to the stutter of a quad core.

T. Former i7-6700k owner.

>>59974189

It is a valid concern depending on your plans for the longevity of a system. If you purchased (say) a 1600x when zen+ coems around a bios update should be all you need for the chip to be supported. If you want a shiny new cofee lake cpu you're fucked - you need a new motherboard as well (which also might mean a new cooler if mounting points change etc etc).

>>59974103
Yes, I've read it. Thanks for the input. I'm looking for more answers.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VjZnr7

Anything I can improve on this build, it's for video editing and I don't want to increase the budget any further.

I have an 3570

Is there really any reason to upgrade?

>>59974281
What are you doing with your PC? Shitposting, anime, and light gaming? Don't bother. Encoding, AAA gaming in high resolution, video editing, etc? Yes.

All relative to what your PC is used for.

so what's up with taichi stock?
looking at that board, but shitall site has it available right now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y6PbD8
Rate for 1080p
Any changes?

Has there been any news on Zen 2? Is it going to actually clock over 4GHz?

>>59974059
You guys need to stop being spergs with PSUs. Yes, 650W is more than you need for an overclocked 1800X and 1080Ti or Vega.

>>59974138
>streaming on a 7600k
nice bait

>>59974147
Absolutely do a fresh install or Windows. No argument.
Recompiling Linux is ideal, too, as it'll run that little bit better.

>>59974202
>reddit formatting
4chan should really auto detect that as spam.

Cheapest I can get:
1060 6G = $265
470 4G = $205
480 4G = $247
480 8G = $281

wat do?
500 series are still not out where I live

Replying to more than two posters should get you auto b& just for being a (you) baiting faggot

>>59974255
You dont trust me?

>>59974273
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VjZnr7
Just get an RX550 or something if it's literally just for video editing.
They should only be like $50 or some shit when they come out in a few days.
idk dude, fuck. Your budget is so tight for video editing.
You fill up 1TB so fast with videos, I have no clue how you're going to do this.
You also typically want 16Gb of RAM, and a fast scratch drive separate from your main SSD.

>>59974407
>best board and best high end value is always sold out for a CPU that's getting record sales. What gives?!

>>59974415
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y6PbD8
Know that you'll have trouble overclocking on that board as it's 3 phase VRMs. But for a 1500X stock it's fine. And you may be able to OC if airflow is good enough, just be careful.
I'd get a semi-modular PSU too, but otherwise the build looks good.

>>59974552
Id wait for 570. If you dont wanna then 470 4Gb is obvious choice.

>>59974419
>Has there been any news on Zen 2? Is it going to actually clock over 4GHz?
Zen3 will almost surely be around 10% higher clocks or more.
Zen2 is unknown. If they switch from the LPP process to LPU, then maybe.

>>59974552
>1060 6G = $265
>470 4G = $205
>480 4G = $247
>480 8G = $281
Depends on the games you can play.
470 4GB and 1060 6GB will be your best options at those prices.
470 will be the best value unless you mostly play Overwatch on a 100hz+ monitor and some other highly Nvidia favored titles like idk GTAV? But the 470 still plays that 60+ on "high" settings.

>>59974562

>>59974643
>Zen3 will almost surely be around 10% higher clocks or more.
>Zen2 is unknown. If they switch from the LPP process to LPU, then maybe.
Is Zen a meme?

>>59974643
>470 will be the best value unless you mostly play Overwatch on a 100hz+ monitor
I have 470 and i have 120+ FPS locked on ultras.

>>59974640
>>59974643
Is more than 4g for 1080p gaming a meme or actually relevant?
Like, will I notice any difference between a 4gb 470/480 or a 8gb?

>>59974495
>Yes, 650W is more than you need for an overclocked 1800X and 1080Ti or Vega.

The thing is. Is 650W overkill or not?
Also take into consideration all the other peripherals. You guys always seem to only take the CPU and GPU into consideration, and I know it's the most crucial. but a lot of other peripherals also add up.

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Hey. I built this several months ago with LogicalIncrements but never put a card in it. Just wondering if I could stick an RX 580 in here and be okay.

>>59974611
just saying man, i'm hoping it comes back in stock in time to take advantage of the 50usd off deal at microcenter when you buy it with a processor.

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>>59974696
Ah is it overclocked? And in MP right?
Some people seem to drop to 90 on them. Maybe their PC is just full of malware.

>>59974710
>Is more than 4g for 1080p gaming a meme or actually relevant?
It's somewhat relevant due to the increased bandwidth.
But not even GR Wildlands, a very unoptimized game, uses over 4GB of VRAM if at 1080p if you just drop down from 4K textures to 1080p textures.

Also, reminder that AMD cards generally don't run like shit just because they're VRAM starved like how Nvidia ones completely shit the bed.

>>59974731
650W is just the right amount. Not too much, not too little, for an overclocked 1800X and 1080Ti/Vega.
>You guys always seem to only take the CPU and GPU into consideration
No we don't. HDDs only use like 12w when spinning up then just around 5-6w.
You're not going to have everything using 100% max power all at once unless you run applications to torture test every single component in your PC.
And, EVEN IF YOU FUCKING DO, a good quality 650w PSU will draw 750w under 24/7 usage perfectly fine. But the reality is that you'll usually be at around 45-250watt usage, and only 600-650 if you torture test it with a shitload of different torture tests all running simutaniously and never, ever, ever under normal usage. God, stop fucking arguing this, I've actually done all this shit and actually have a fucking watt-meter.

>>59973995
Looks good

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Sup /g/. I haven't done a new build since 2011 so I'm a bit out of the loop on the newer tech. I threw this together recently.

Going to be using it for gaming, streaming, 3D Modeling, some assorted Adobe programs.

Budget is ~$1700. Open to minimizing that of course. I'm not sure about the case, SSD or HDD at the moment.


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c4jVCy

>>59973029
XFX GTR RX 480 or Sapphire RX 480?

Alternatively, do I get an RX 580? If so, which one?

>>59974215
>you should buy inferior products on the off chance they last longer
Cool idea

>>59974857
[obligatory >buying Windows post]

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And it lives! Booted on first try no problem. Although windows being the cunt it is refused to install until I unplugged every other hard drive other than the one I want to install to. Old windows install also refused to boot. Blue screen instantly. Ah well. Everything important was taken off and backed up already. Now I just have to finish installing and updating, then I'll set my ram to it's 2400mhz @ CL12 settings, and I'm done! Hopefully I won't even require a BIOS flash.

>>59974827
>650W is just the right amount. Not too much, not too little, for an overclocked 1800X and 1080Ti/Vega.

The thing is, I lied to you. Please don't get mad at me, my build actually features an OCd 1600X on a X370 board. I also don't have 3 HDDs and only have 2 DIMMS. But I plan on upgrading in a few years to a newer AMD CPU, more RAM DIMMS, more HDDs, and probably more recent GPUs too, depending on what comes out. So I prefer to overestimate rather than underestimate and then having to buy a new PSU.

>>59974827
I have a 1060 6GB and it runs literally anything at 1080p. Obviously, it's sort of the sweetspot between bare minimum 4GB and overkill 8GB.
Which is why the 3GB is total dogshit and not worth owning.
To answer >>59974710 4GB is good enough for pretty much anything in 1080p. Maybe you'll have to tune down game settings in a couple games, but overall there's no point to have 8GB on 1080p, really.

>>59974857
I'd get a 6700k.
I haven't seen anyone that's not needed to delid their 7700k lately.
Since you're overclocking, you'll get 99% the same results, but for cheaper and less hassle.

And if you're spending that much, why not get a 1TB SSD?
$400 for a 1070 is a shit price. Bad performance for that money.
>retail Windows

>>59974863
GTR, duh...? It's fairly equivalent to the lower end RX580s like the GTS, and leagues above the other 480s.
But I'd still just get the GTR when it drops to $210 as it was doing before. Isn't the GTS $230?

>>59974827
>Ah is it overclocked? And in MP right?
Some people seem to drop to 90 on them. Maybe their PC is just full of malware.
RX470 Red Devil stock clocks. Powerlimit 50%. Win 7 with literally no malware, optimized services and removed bloatware.

>>59974863
Of the two 480's, XFX GTR as it matches lower end 580's

>>59974944
Shit, I mean the Sapphire Nitro+.

Still the XFX?

>>59974950
Weird, because that's what most benchmarks put the 1060 at.
Like Gamers Nexus that disables every service possible, unplugs the internet, and makes the system into a console still just gets 121 FPS average on the 1060 in Overwatch and I'm pretty sure they put the 470 at like 95 or something idk.
You sure you didn't turn something down? It's not like you can't turn down a few settings and it still looks great and not really any different, and then it'll run 120 for sure.

>>59974982
Nitro+, GTR, and Red Devil GS seem to be the best RX580s. Maybe the Aorus too? Haven't seen much testing on the Aorus, and no noise test.

But if you want better value, that would be if you can still find the XFX GTR 480 for $210 as the XFX GTS 580 seems to be roughly the same die and PCB for $230

>>59974865
It outperforms the 7600K in most games and destroys it outside of games, why would you buy a shittier processor for the same price

>>59974762
I think a 580 it's a little overkill for that resolution, unless you have plans to upgrade to 1920x1080, you should be ok with a 4/570
and yes, if you have a nice power supply you could put a 580 in there

>>59975020
Yeah I plan to upgrade, just had this monitor lying around. Thanks!

>>59974857
Swap the 7700K for a Ryzen 7. The extra cores will help greatly with streaming/3D modeling.

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>>59974762
>logical increments
>Z170 board
>with a locked i5
>and 2133 RAM
You're exactly the reason why logical increments was removed from the OP.
It leads people into making stupid ass builds that make no fucking sense. Thank you for this.

Yet almost every thread we have someone bitching that logical increments isn't in the OP.
Probably a samefag that works for that site and keeps spamming the other thread right after someone else makes this one.

>>59974857
>>59974944
Oh I didn't notice the use case. I just assumed when I saw the build. >>59975066 is correct.

>>59975001
>You sure you didn't turn something down?
Im playing on Ultra preset. Maybe you think of Epic settings?

>>59973029
so i made a mistake and ended up with 2 x370 motherboards. should i keep the aorus gaming 5 or the msi gaming pro carbon? both were around the same price due to the shipping on the msi

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>he fell for the ryzen meme

>>59975207
the Aorus. Isn't it much better quality and better BIOS?

>>59975066
How do I know which RAM kits have Samsung B-die in them?

I want to get good RAM for Ryzen and was looking at getting the G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB 3200MHz CAS16 but I have no idea where to check the type of die.

>>59975281
Don't worry so much about it. Any 3200 RAM will run at least at 2933 if you at least configure it correctly, and should reach that 3200 after some BIOS updates if not.

You don't need B die. High quality Hynix is still better than low quality Samsung.
And really, dual rank is better, and the May update should greatly improve dual rank speeds.

>>59975308
>And really, dual rank is better
Why is dual rank better? And how do I know which kits are single or dual rank?

Single/Dual rank in memory is something I truly know nothing about.

>>59975275
thats the thing. aorus looks better, but as a brand ive had better experiences with msi stuff. prefer the bios as well. hmm. guess ill test them out

>>59975374
Dual rank is lower latency, iirc. But harder to get faster speeds on. You can google and find dual rank and single rank tests on Ryzen.

>>59975464
Make two systems and use the other as a home server.

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>>59975308
>And really, dual rank is better
Oh! Please do go on...

Give me 1 reason not to get the cheapest Z270 motherboard available.

And before you ask:
>not gonna SLI
>not gonna overclock anything besides the cpu multiplier

>>59975475
>Make two systems and use the other as a home server
would do that, but id have to get a new case and i just upgraded it to a 4670k.

what the best low profile gfx card out there now? after a build i'll be doing shortly, i'll just need that to have a spare.

>>59975512
>And really, dual rank is better
>Oh! Please do go on...
>>59975475
>You can google and find dual rank and single rank tests on Ryzen.

>>59975521
Cheapest Z270 is good if you just want to run faster RAM (which gives a cheaper and easier benefit than overclocking) and you're not going to overclock the CPU.

>>59975555
Sapphire pulse ITX RX570, and there's a few 1070 models as well.

help me pick a monitor, /g/

>>59975267
(you)

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Is Freesync worth it? I've got an R9 290 and thought about picking up a 144hz Freesync monitor to help extend the lifespan of my card while I wait for Vega. Is this a stupid idea? I only game at 1080p currently.

>>59975675
This is the worst time to buy a monitor. If you want the good tech, you have to play the "do I actually get a working monitor" lottery because the quality control of most monitors that has all the good tech like gsync+144hz+1440p has absolute shit quality control, and they're all expensive as fuck.

>>59975730
How would it not be worth it? It costs no extra money. It's just plain better.

>>59975751
I would agree with this.
There's a lot of "just wait" often thrown around /g/, but this is different. There's never been a "just wait" monitor for monitors in over half a decade.

Freesync2 monitors are coming out later this year with HDR10 and 1ms response time as the maximum. Some are even under 0.1ms.
Freesync1 should become even more common as it's just the normal technology to have, especially with Xbox Scorpio supporting both.

>>59974857
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7zmvV
because why not

Why are people not getting the version of the D15 that comes with the AM4 bracket in these builds that have it?
It's the same price.

Bros what kind of performance can I expect from this build? What would be my limits? Open for suggestions

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Antoforgione/saved/8xtpgs

Will be used for gaming and emulation. Also where can I look for sales/discounts on pc parts other than pcpartpicker?

Need a 1080p 60 fps gaming machine for 600$. Any help?

>>59976419
>Bros what kind of performance can I expect from this build?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Antoforgione/saved/8xtpgs
60fps+ in 99.9% of games at 1440p if you fix the issues.
The other 0.1% you'll have to turn settings down to "high" or "very high", or something.

issues:
Replace the ram with 2x4GB or you're robbing yourself of up to 25% performance in games for no reason by using single channel. Granted... won't come into effect when GPU bottlenecked, but it's still stupid to do single channel.
And get a motherboard that has heatsinks for the VRMs.

>>59976435
Spend a little more for something that'll last longer.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H9qY7h
Could probably knock and extra $50 off or so waiting and watching for sales, too.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9BfKRG is a lot cheaper, but it'll drop under 60fps on a lot of games and is less than 1/3rd as powerful of a CPU in general.

Was it really worth to go full 80+ Gold / Platinum PSU over 80+ Bronze PSU?

Anyone know good RGB LED light strips? I am considering getting a NZXT Hue+ but want to hear other anons thoughts.

>>59976625
Worth it because Seasonic reliability and quality more so than the rating.
The cheaper ones were all Rosewills which are SOMETIMES okay, but not always and I don't have time to bother comparing them more closely. Easier to just spend $15 more for something that's known to be good.
Rosewills are often fine, especially their newer models, though.

I'm going to buy bulks of DDR3 1666MHz ram and there's nothing you can do to stop me!

What card will still be relevant in 2+ years?

>>59976877
R9 290x

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>>59976877
Rx480 or the 580 if don't mind paying the sight price premium.

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226836&cm_re=Mushkin-_-20-226-836-_-Product

I just found 16gb ram for £82. Am I missing something here? Why is it so cheap compared to most prices ive seen?

Is it safe to reuse. 10 year old psu in a new build?

>>59975014
>same price
Lol no. About a $70 difference. I have no idea why you amd shills get so buttblasted

>>59977231
sounds like a risky move to me. a good enough psu for most new builds wouldn't be more than 100, even if modular.

>>59977188
looks like they saved money with inexpensive heatspreaders on simple ram.

should be ok.

google their model number might find more info.

>>59977188
CL 16/17 for 2666 is pretty high but eh.

>>59977231
What make and model?
If it's not making any funny noises, they can last a super long time when good quality.
A good quality one will fail gracefully. It'll just shut down occasionally because sensors detect a problem as a fail safe. A bad quality one may explode and take out many components in your PC with it.

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I bought a Ryzen 5 1600 and only got this 2667 ram
https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-Elite-PC4-21300-288-Pin-Memory/dp/B00RCGJLLY

>did i fuck up?

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>>59975776
>just plain better
Sorry, stupid question. I guess what I meant was how noticeable is it? If I were to swap to Nvidia, would I suddenly miss not having it anymore?

I've never seen it in person, so I'm not really sure how "good" it is.

>>59977984
Nvidia GPUs don't support Freesync. They can, but Nvidia refuses to currently.
So you'll get screen tearing if your FPS doesn't stay at or above your monitor's refresh rate. dur.

>>59977905
Yes, you fucked up badly. Return it.

>>59978053
It was like 70 bucks CAD for 8gb. It was so tempting :(

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>>59978053
>Nvidia doesn't support
Thanks man, I did know that, I'm more asking if it will be something you can't live without after experiencing it. If Vega ends up garbage or Volta blows it away, and I swap to green, would I notice not having it all of a sudden?

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

>>59977905
Yeah, for 10$ more you could get 5-10fps gains on games.

>>59978066
>It was like 70 bucks CAD for 8gb
That says 4x4GB. Why'd you link to the wrong thing? You're wasting my time. You could have just given the model and specs.

>>59978097
I think Nvidia may be forced to support it due to Xbox Scorpio supporting Freesync, but it's not a definite. They still haven't announced a Gsync2, which further makes it seem likely. But I wouldn't count on it what with Nvidia loving their proprietary bullshit so much.

>>59978127
Most people like links & the sale on Amazon Canada is over anyways.
I was wondering more if Im gimping myself too much.

>>59978097
>would I notice not having it all of a sudden?
Is there no store near by where you can demo it?

There are videos on youtube that demonstrate screen tearing if you haven't seen it for yourself...

If you have a 85hz monitor and hardware to always stay above 85fps (which I'm not sure you can even do in Arma3 and some other games. Plus some console ports locked to 60), then it won't happen.
You can also underclock an 85hz monitor to 60 in those cases.
Freesync is just a lot less fuss and keeps it from tearing when frames drop under your monitors frequency.

Is it worth buying a rx 480 4gb for $125 if I plan on gaming at 1440p or should I just suck it up and buy the 4gb for $180?

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>>59978155
I've been to three different Altex's and two "gamer" oriented PC stores and none of them had a Free/Gsync monitor to test, unfortunately. It was the first time I'd seen a 144hz monitor in person, so that was pretty neat.

I've seen screen tearing, if your hardware is "too" strong aren't you just supposed to lock your framerate right under the max refresh of your monitor to ensure it doesn't go out of Freesync range and start tearing again?

I'm mostly just trying to extend the life of a 380 I'm sitting on while learning about monitors. The one I have is a really old 1080p monitor running at 60hz, and everyone's said that monitors are supposed to last you through 2-3 GPUs, so I'm trying to be overly careful about what to get.

>>59978127
>forced to support it
I would be thrilled if I could pick up a monitor without worrying about which team I'm currently playing for. Not needing to pay a $100-200 premium for sync technology would be really cool too.

>>59973029
Updated my 1080p 60fps build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j2Z4hq

This is, seriously, all you need for 1080p 60fps gaming. Less than 900$ USD for us in the states. I HIGHLY recommend this build for anyone who wants 1080p 60fps gaming for the next few years. You can also add a quality 1tb storage for only 50$ extra, still under 900.

Notes:
>why 570 instead of 470
No good 470 sales out right now. If you want to wait until one comes, by all means do so. But don't hold your breath. They are discontinued.

>case
HIGHLY recommend grabbing that Define S while it's on sale. It's 20$ cheaper than usual and is a VERY good case. Only downside (subjectively), it's rather large for a mid-tower. Some people will view this as a plus (I do).

>psu
If you grabbed the 550 while it was on sale, congrats! You saved 6$ AND got a better PSU. Keep looking for sales.

>>59978205
The 4gb will disappoint you in 1440p. Spend extra on the 8gb.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601296396
RX550s sold out already? wtf.

>>59978216
Freesync monitors don't cost any more than a monitor without it. It's an open standard that doesn't hardly cost anything to implement.
Freesync2 will cost a bit more, but shouldn't be much different than the usual 1ms monitor prices.

>>59978205
If you play on 1440p with a 4GB one, you'll often have to turn quite a number of settings down to stay over 60fps.

One other question is the MG279Q still suffering from really bad QC issues? I found one for $350 so I figured I would play a few rounds of RMD lottery but if that doesn't work out whats a good freesync monitor?

So intel for games ryzen for production?

>>59978223
I feel like a dumb ass. That sale for the Define S doesn't include shipping. So it's not really that great.

>>59978424
ryzen 5 for everything (unless intel 6 core).
You can run all "old" games with the single core speed.
"new" games tend to utilize more cores, and are increasingly so. So AMD.

>>59978424
Ryzen for games as well. Benchmarks don't show it yet but intel cards are bottlenecking hard and will continue to get more so as time goes on. Also being realistic you have a firefox tab open in the background while you game. Ryzen will keep your 200+ tabs from lagging out your game.

>>59978449
Intels single core still outperforms amd tho

>>59978464
>1999
You have to go back.

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>>59978424
Only Intel CPUs worth getting are the G4560 and the i7-6700k or i7-7700. i7-7700k if you are such a cuck that you want to go through the trouble of delidding or pay someone else to delid it.

Ryzen for all other price brackets and purposes, including gaming since the 1600 is better than the 7600k there, unless you need over 64GB of RAM then X99 still has a purpose but X399 seems likely to come for AMD to win there too.

>>59978464
It's like 10-25% better single core (sometimes worse), and less than half the multithreaded.

>>59978464
Reading comprehension.

>>59978487
Sentence fragments.

>>59978464
Ryzen offers a smoother experience. Don't look at avg. frames, look at minimums. If you're at 60fps, both will perform stable.

>>59978494
see >>59978494

>>59978462
If benchmarks dont show it then how is it bottlenecking?

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>>59978464
I can't think of many purposes that AMD's single threaded performance just isn't good enough for it to be a concern compared to its multithreaded in other things most people will do.
Only thing that comes to mind is Cemu (which should improve, and is more Cemu's problem), and Dwarf Fortress on a super complicated save.

>>59978501
No, look at framegraphs. Ryzen+AMD GPU never seems to not be smooth.
It's 0.1% minimums are usually better too, but that doesn't tell nearly the story.

I used to enjoy /pcbg/ but not anymore. The fucking cherrypicking and diehard brand loyalty really kill any intelligent discussion. I unironically prefer reddit

>>59978525
>No, look at framegraphs. Ryzen+AMD GPU never seems to not be smooth.
Why are you disagreeing with me by using an argument I supported?

>>59978538
Diehard brand loyalty?
Intel wins in low tier and high tier
AMD wins in Mid tier

>>59978538
Not an argument, shill.

>>59978510
Hey bud amd is better. You cant tell by emperical data but just trust me, ok?

>>59978543
I support your point.
I don't support your argument to support the point.

>>59978553
Thank you for proving my point that this board is cancer

>>59978573
>>59978572
Not an argument.

>>59978555
Emperical data supports the 1600/1600X over the 7600k and the 1500X over the other i5s, is exactly the point.
There is no brand loyalty. Just by far the best CPU choice at the price being recommended.
When people have <$500 budgets, they get recommended G4560s. If people were brand loyal they'd what, recommend FX 6300s or A10s or some shit? Fuck off, shill faggot.

>>59978549
I think ryzen might win low tier as well. Also Intel's control of high tier relies entirely on measuring single threaded performance which is quickly becoming obsolete at the engine level because developers are too incompetent to handle multithreading themselves.

>>59978590
high end i7 Processors do multithreading pretty well too and have just as many cores. AMD also doesn't have anything for the low tier. G4560 is still king.

>>59976558

>And get a motherboard that has heatsinks for the VRMs

Could you recommend me one?

>>59978620
>high end i7 Processors do multithreading pretty well too and have just as many cores.
That's objectively false. I7s are limits to 4 cores and 8 threads. Lower than 6 cores and 12 threads.

>AMD also doesn't have anything for the low tier.
1400.

>G4560 is still king.
Of what? Price/performance? In gaming, yes. But not for long.

>>59978680
yeah my bad, i was wrong about the i7s. For whatever reason i thought the 7700k was 6core.

1400 i'd consider medium tier still. It's double the price of G4560.

>>59978679
B350 Gigabyte Gaming 3 or ASRock Pro4. Both come in mATX versions.

>>59978680
1400 isn't really "lower tier". And it's really not that good for its cost even. I mean sure it's better than an i5-7400 or 7500 overclocked, but those were garbage value as well.

That anon also probaly mean the 6850k and 6950x and shit, which is a laugh, but yeah.

>>59978722
Yes I agree. AMD needs to make a 3 core APU that sells for under $100. That's why we recommend G4560s all the time in this thread and hte past few threads. If someone doesn't have like $550+, they aren't making a Ryzen system.
Anyone calling people shills, just because there is finally no more defense for i5s being so much dogshit and terrible value as they always were, is just an idiot.

>>59978722
We are still waiting for the r3 to come out and if it's like the rest of ryzen it will clean house.

Does a mATX board look silly in a mid tower case?
Don't want to get a tiny case because >muh airflow

Any thoughts/changes?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/88KPNN
going to do video editing, streaming, run VMs/emulators and gaymen

>>59978483
>makes u think.png
>using doom as a gaming benchmark

>>59978722
>>59978725
Difference of opinion then. I'd say the G4560 is budget tier. That being said, it truly is a great deal, and I'd recommend it to anyone on a budget.

>>59978756
Yeah I'm curious to see how the R3's perform. Pardon my ignorance, anyone know the release date?

>>59978806
>silly
If you have a window's case, perhaps. But it's really subjective and depends on your ability to "fill" the gaps.

>that mobo
Assuming you like to save money, why not get a b350?

>1080
Are you gaming in 4k?

>fully mod
Why not semi mod and save 10$?

>wifi adpater
You're spending 200$ on a mobo, why not get one with a wifi?

>>59978806
>Don't want to get a tiny case because >muh airflow
Get a small case with a 200mm fan.

>>59978756
R3 still won't compare to the G4560 because you'll need a GPU with the R3. Only makes sense for people with a left over GPU or something.

>>59978810
You could get an ASRock board that has wifi built in, and mATX at that, but otherwise looks fine.
Or a mATX board with the x1 slot above the GPU slot, and a wifi x1 card (which that is).

>>59978941
Uhh GTX 1080 is not sufficient for 4K unless 30fps is okay.

>>59978906
Would FO4 be a more appropriate benchmark when it comes to games? fufk off.

Need some advice on these purchases, upgrading an i5 system, currently has an outdated 1gb video card. Casual games mostly old.

RX 460
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125897&cm_re=RX_460-_-14-125-897-_-Product

Monitor 23" 1ms 1080p
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236305

>>59978982
>Uhh GTX 1080 is not sufficient for 4K unless 30fps is okay.
No GPU is sufficient for 4k 60fps. I mentioned 1080p, because 4k 30fps is the only reason to get it.

>>59979021
Oh the main advice I wanted is if the prices are good value / budget

>>59979021
I don't think that RX460 is worth it even at $90. They often go on sale for $70.
But I guess if you feel confident with the BIOS flash and shit to unlock it, it's still a decent value.
RX570 are coming over the next few days which are significantly faster. They're more like a 1050Ti than a 1050 yet way cheaper. But if you need it now, go with the RX460 I guess.

As for the monitor, I'm pretty sure you can get 75-85hz freesync for that price.

>>59978982
Fuck forgot about that and the APU units wont be shipping till at least Q4. G4560 wins yet again.

>>59979082

Is freesync with 75 hz worth $30 more?

That one has $20 rebate + 10% off code

Also there are 2gb RX460's at around the $70, is it worth 4gb for $90?

For budget should I downgrade 2gb Rx460 and upgrade the 75hz freesynch monitor and come out to about $10 more?

>>59979156
I think 60hz still looks really unsmooth and 85+ is the sweet spot, desu. 75 is decent too. But that's just me. People have different perception.

Free sync is worth it since some games are just unoptimized fucking garbage especially indie shit that doesn't even run 60fps on a 5ghz 7700k.

Why don't you google and see if you can overclock one of those $100 60hz freesync models to 75-85? Usually you can.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhz8vV

First Build, give me some advice /g/. Is my choice of GPU ok or did I fuck up?

>>59977239
ss-ss-s-sorry f-f-f-f-f-or n-n-n-not w-w-w-wwanting t-t--t-to b-b-b-buy i-i-i-i5

>>59979383
SSD is overpriced, you could probably get a 500GB one for $20 more and wait for Acer H236HL to go on sale. They overclock to 75Hz no problem and come down to $80-100 usually though it's a glossy panel.

For a rx 580 what brands are good? This is my first AMD build so I don't know their 3rd party vendors as well.

Is sapphire the evga of amd builds? Why are there cards so much more expensive than gigabyte? I am avoiding Asus right now because of quality control fears because the current year is apparently bizarro world.

Any recommended gaming monitors for about $300USD?

>>59979692
Do you care about g-sync, freesync, ips vs tn or 144hz at all? Also what resolution?

>>59979692
didn't I tell you to go to >>>/sqt/

>>59979713
144hz would be good.
>>59979715
Yes, but I thought that you know, a monitor is an important part of a computer this would be a semi-relevant place to post.

>>59979644
Sapphire is the Zotac. But not far off from EVGA I guess.
Power Color Red Devil series is very good, but not their other cards.
XFX is also very good.
XFX and Sapphire are the only ones you want to buy the lower tier models of.

We don't know how good Gigabyte is. Their RX480s sucked.

>>59979692
Changes based on what's on sale and shit.
I'd recommend a 1440p freesync that is at least 85hz. Or 1080p if you can't afford to power the 1440p. But I think 1080p is fucking garbage, so.

Getting knowledge of all the monitor models is really hard. I don't look at cheap monitors, and I don't want to. You'll probably have to educate yourself.

>>59979739
I hear ok things about BenQ XL2411, but someone might know something better
>>59979775
Thanks and I will add Gigabyte to the wait for lots of review lists for their cards.

Which should I buy between these two monitors?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011095&cm_re=freesync_monitor-_-24-011-095-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N84E99300&cm_re=freesync_monitor-_-24-160-275-_-Product

What are the chances that I could sell a used computer tower

>>59979775
Not that anon, but aren't all the cards from the brands you listed around $260? Only Gigabyte, Sapphire (but its sold out), and MSI have a (emphasis on the singular) RX 580 card.

What's the cheapest decent case available? I'll literally be using it for 2 months in the summer when I visit mexico. I expect the temps to be kinda shitty so I'm imagining to pay for good cooling. Probably ATX, but preferably suggestions for mATX as well.

>>59979430
What? I was talking about the i7

>>59979819
Hard to say. Both look like good options. Just look at reviews of both. Ideally a comparison review.
Are their minimum hz the same? 40-75 is better than 48-75.

>>59979918
Yes the XFX GTR 580 and Red Devil GS are $260-$270. I thought you asked the "best".

For cheaper, you could probably catch the XFX GTR 480 8GB on sale for $190-$210 which seems equivolent to most of the lower end RX580 models.

>>59979820
If it's a well known brand probably pretty decent. If you are just selling some OEM piece of shit then 0.
>>59979918
I'm that anon, Sapphire has one of the 8GB models going for 230 and I can't figure out what's different about it vs the more expensive models. It's not even like you can OC on polaris. I plan on keeping chill on in almost every game so I think this may work for me. Chill in laptops is going to be the best feature. I hope it turns out as well as it looks like it will.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202278&cm_re=rx_580-_-14-202-278-_-Product

>>59979933
If you need something tiny, Rosewell SRM-01. If you want something a bit roomier, I think it's called the Thermaltake Core V2, CoolerMaster N200 or Corsair 88R/Spec-M2

>>59979934

>>59975014
>7600K

>>59979980
>If it's a well known brand probably pretty decent.
sick, it's corsair
I sold my last build to my brother and it was pretty much the 'mom I need the full tower' meme and I just feel bad every time I see it in his room so I wanted to make it up to him

>>59979934
point is i7 is barely better if it was $250
with price tag and supporting costs board,cooler,delidkit, liquid metal TIM it makes no sense at all
only way you get significant performance difference is if you include supporting costs
otherwise you may as well go i5 if you are that masochistic

>>59979973
I'm not the anon in question, I just heard that the RX 580 would $230 so I curious as to why they were $260 (yes I know higher binned cards are priced higher). I've never seen the GTR on sale for ~$200 though.
>>59979980
I will most likely be getting that as well (or a $230 Gigabyte card, once some reviews come out for it).

>>59980012
>or a $230 Gigabyte card
don't,only if you really have to

xfr or sapphire
sapphire is most silent and cold card

>>59980003
Ebay and craigslist are your friends
>>59980012
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-570-nitro-and-pulse-unveiled
Figured it out, for $30 difference you get a 3.4% increase in output on 'boost' speed. Nothing else.

>>59980005
If it was soldered and was $250, yeah I'd recommend it for pure gaming.
Though the motherboards also cost significantly more and it has no cheap upgrade path.

>>59980012
The more expensive ones generally have better binned GPU dies.
For the cheap models, stick with Sapphire or Nitro, or just get an XFX GTR 480 if it's even cheaper.
I don't think the cheap ones are that worth it at $230.
The higher end ones handle 1440p that extra bit better. It's the difference that keeps them over 60fps or at higher settings in the largest number of games.

If all you're doing is 1080p, get something under $200. The 8GB RX580 is overkill for 1080p and there's only like 3 or 4 games (dishonored 2, GR wildlands, 1 or 2 others) that it doesn't get over 70fps+ in.

>>59980072
>If all you're doing is 1080p, get something under $200
Yes but I want the 8GB version because I'll be using this GPU for a while and I want to future proof it.

>>59980072
I'm not really sure this works for the 580s because it's not even worth overclocking them. Between wattman and chill amd looks like it's telling us dynamic underclocking per game is what we should be doing with them.
>>59980094
The rx 480/580 isn't really a future proof card. It gets you a lot of bang for buck. If you are upgrading to a 1440p in the next two years than 8gig probably is worth it, if not I am not sure.
>>59980072
Be aware that some of the 4gigs have slower ram speeds than their 480 equivalents.

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>muh housefire!
Reminder that I've used a 7700K for a month now without having it hit more than 70°C ever unless benchmarking for an hour or something. It's only 65°C on load on air. I'll admit Ryzen 1600 and 1700 are good but don't fall for the "ONLY AMD MATTERS NOW" shills either.

hello
ryzen 1600 or 1700?

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>>59980130

>>59980094
>Yes but I want the 8GB version because I'll be using this GPU for a while and I want to future proof it.
That's not how it works.
8GB doesn't make it run much faster. It makes it considerably better for 1440p, but that's it.

And AMD GPUs work great when they run out of VRAM, unlike Nvidia ones. Though the exception is the Fury in some games, for some reason. I guess because that was a new memory controller. See >>59974827

"future proof" is either Vega or getting something cheap and saving money to upgrade later.

Does anyone in these threads ever actually build new PCs with SPARC CPUs?

>>59980167
Literally never seen any of these batshit temperatures.

>>59980163
If you just gayming 1600. If you need more virtualization power than 1700.
How does the Define C compare to other cases? I used to have an R4 before I moved and I had to sell it and all my parts because the shipping cost was too much. Open to any alternatives.

Oh my fucking ass. Gigabtye's naming scheme for their motherboards are absolutely garbage. Trying to find the right BIOS file was a nightmare.

>>59980119
>>59980181
So you are suggesting I get an RX 480 4GB then? What if gaymen starts to use more VRAM in the future (which seems to be the case)?

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>>59979383
>SSD
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAMSUNG-850-EVO-2-5-500GB-SATA-III-3-D-Vertical-Internal-Solid-State-Drive-SSD-/381669140839

>>59980260
It depends on price but yeah. Get a 4GB card. Either an RX570 4GB or RX480 4GB.
Hell you can sometimes find RX470 4GB for under $130, and you can't beat that perf/dollar unless something else comes around. That's $50-$100 you save to put to an upgrade later.

>>59980203

That is because your cpu is most likely idling most of the time.

just finished setting up my r5 1600 + MSI B350 board.

The meme-ory only like to work at 2133. if i clock it to 2933 it won't post.

-corsair vengeance lpx 2x4 8gb, 3000mhz
-MSI B350 PC MATE
-R5 1600

welp

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>>59980282
Can't you read? You shills are insane.

Pic related gayming + normal multitask for 3 hours now.

>>59980260
There is no difference between a 480 and 580 really. If you can get a 480 at $180 go for it. If you plan on upgrading your monitor to something above 1080p than get the 8gigs. As time goes on you might need to turn down texture detail but that should in theory be the only change. This is because developers might get lazy or want to shill their super high resolution textures for 4k gaming. If you get a 580 just spend the extra and get the 8gig I think.
An easy way to think of it is like this. Right now the majority of AAA games are multi release and they play on consoles using 1080p with 8gigs shared memory between all components on the device. This means until the next console cycle happens you will probably be safe with around 4 gigs of video RAM because the XBone has to share it's 8 gigs of total ram between GPU and system memory.

>>59980167
>filename
we don't need no pipeline let the motherfucker burn

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hPMGD8

How's this look? Anything you guys would change? I already have a hard drive in my old build that i'm gonna transfer over.

How is single channel performance on ryzen?
RAM is expensive right now but my sandy bridge motherboard is dying so i have no choice but to upgrade soon.

>>59980353
I'm probably not going to get a 1440p monitor though. I would like to keep high settings and high frames for as long as possible, which is why I was going to get the 8gb card. If this is the case, should I just end up getting the 4gb card?

>>59980299
>The meme-ory only like to work at 2133. if i clock it to 2933 it won't post.
I bet you didn't put memory in the right slots.

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Doing my first ever build. Budget will be about $2000.

I'm not sure which mouse, keyboard, and monitor are good, but I have

ASUS VS239H 23" Monitor 1920x1080
Corsair STRAFE Keyboard
Logitech G502 Mouse

Just looking for input, thanks!

>>59979805
>BenQ XL2411
Make sure to put it under load immediately so you can find out if it has any stuck or dead pixels.

>>59980385
Get an R5 1600 and a Sandisk SSD. Get a higher binned GPU if you are going RX 580 8GB though. $240-$260 should be an ok range.

>>>/wsg/1649239

What's up with my right mouse button? only had it for a month. g403

>>59980385
I'd spend 30-40bux more for an MX300 or whatever that good ADATA model is, in 525/512GB.

And I don't think the low end corsair PSUs these days are good since they switched manufacturers. Looks good otherwise.

>>59980409
Single channel performance on Ryzen is as much as a 25% decrease in gaming, depending on the game.

>>59980423
That's a lot of money for 4 threads, friend.
And an unlocked cpu on a locked board.. 2133 RAM..
PSU and SSD are okay.

>>59980415
on this motherboard you use DIMMA2 and DIMMB2 first.

the next thing i will try is updating the BIOS and maybe try clocking the CPU

from what i've read anything higher than 2133mhz requires OC from probably both your memory and cpu controllers

>>59980423
Cryorig H7, fuck the 212 EVO, especially the fan, fuck the fan, fuck it sideways.
Bad time to be buying Nvidia when Volta is on the horizon.
PSU is not worth the price. I could find a 750W for that.

>>59980320

>63c after mild use

My 1700 ay 3.9ghz struggles to hit 63c under torture loads.

>>59980376

You, I like you.

>>59980385
Dont skimp on RAM if you can help it.
It's probably going to last you the longest out of most of the parts in your computer besides the case or PSU.

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>>59980464
>My 1700 ay 3.9ghz struggles to hit 63c under torture loads.
Elaborate.

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>>59980484

Add another 5-10c to give a good idea of what 8hrs of this looks like.

>I7 770HQ @2.8GHz (3.8GHz Turbo)
>1060GTX 6GB DDR5
>16GB DDR4 2400MHz
>512GB SSD
>Blade

don't hate it works fine

>>59980455
>That's a lot of money for 4 threads, friend.
I'm afraid I have no idea what you mean, can you clarify?

>unlocked cpu on a locked board
This too, please

>2133 RAM
is this too slow?

>>59980463
Ok, thanks for the heads up. What PSU would you recommend?

>>59980464
>reddit spaces
>You, I like you.
How about you go back?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/H6Y6d6
alright nerds some nerd made this build for me make it better alright thanks
trying to keep it around 1400
also i already have an ssd im going to put in it
nd if there is audiophile molest guys here could ya suggest an affordable soundcard

>>59980492
holy shit that's a lot of threads

>>59980492
>pleb shit like IBT
Try Y-cruncher. My 1700 at 3.8Ghz went as high as 66C

>>59980353
Please don't lie to people. The lower end RX580 models are similar to the highest end RX480 there was, the XFX GTR.
They have better PCBs (though some could be better), better coolers, and better GPU dies. If you take an RX580 and clock it down to the 1266MHz of the reference RX480, it is much more efficient at those same clocks.
Yes, it's a refresh, but it's not
>literally the same.
Anyone whose been around GPUs for a while would have immediately picked up on this. Just as I was predicting this the moment the refresh was announced, and I've been saying for a week. I'm really tired of saying it at this point.

And yes, sometimes it's better to get an RX470 4GB, or an RX480 XFX GTR.

>>59980457
Alright. So you did read the manual.
Have you tried 2800 with looser timings like CL17 or CL18?

>>59980574

It maintained similar temps during prime95 overnight. Either way these ryzen chips are getting similar temps under torture loads than other anon's nuclear 7700k under a medium load.

>>59980589
Better off running Dolphin emulator test, since that mimicks daily use loads.

>>59980541
>>59980455

nvm I googled it

>>59980589
>prime95
Literally garbage.
My 1700 barely hits 60C after several hours of that in an 80F room.

>>59980411
You do you, I can't make your purchasing decisions for you. I can just offer advice as some random anon who may or may not know what they are talking about.
>>59980561
$CURRENT_YEAR
>>59980579
I'm not lying to people, but at most even on the high end of the 580's we are only seeing a very small increase in base and 'boost' clock speed with a massive increase in power. You can even flash the 480 to a 580 bios even if it doesn't work great because as you said there is some variation in the silicon. It just isn't much and if you can find a 480 for 8GB for $180 you should do it because it gives much better bang for buck. It is literally figuratively the same. Stop being so autistic.

>>59980579
So which should I get if I plan to only be playing 1080p gaming: an RX 580 8GB or an RX 580 4GB?

>>59980622
I don't know what decision to make, which is why I'm asking for help. If I don't plan to gayme at 1440p, is the 8gb still worth it?

>>59980626
It just depends on prices. What's on sale.

Like the other anon said >>59980622
If you can get an RX480 8GB for $180 then that's better than $170 for an RX570 4GB.
But even an RX470 4GB which is often $110-$130 will do almost every game at 1080p 60fps. Only in a few games will you have to turn the settings down.

>>59980561
Welcome to not being jewed

>>59980545
What is the purpose of the build? Do you just need good sound or is it for audio production?

>>59980644
>is the 8gb still worth it?
yes
enjoy downsampling 4k

>>59980654
nah this isn't for producing
just want good sound for when i listen to music along with vidya

>>59980654
>RX 470 for $110-$130
Where are you getting these prices? I never see 470s that low, and I live in burgerland.

>>59980677
Get a $30 DAC. Onboard audio can't compare since it's not shielded.
You can look for a board that has the audio shielded the best it can, with the audio hardware on a separate PCB, but it's still not the same.

You still didn't say what the build is for.

>>59980692
2-6 weeks ago there was an RX470 for that price about every other day. I saw another a few days ago at $130 but it's much rarer now.
Thinking was that they'd drop on sale again with RX500s here to clear them out, but not sure if that's true.
Glancing at newegg, the cheapest decent one I see is $155..

>>59980677
You need one of these for maximum audio performance https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102005
>>59980692
Literally just searched near my house.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sop/6081503468.html
>commiefornia
Kill me

>>59980715
>creigslist
Yeah, no.

>>59980715
You can get shielded sound cards.. cheapest ones are around $100. $30 DAC is generally better.
Don't buy that.

>>59980204
If I have the cash available to buy the 1700 just for insecure feeling to get better gear?

>>59980748
Eh. Me myself, I'm getting the 1600X because I might want to run it stock, and it's still cheaper so it's more saved for upgrading toward the 3800X or 4800X later on.
It's still plenty powerful enough, but something to get onto the platform with.

I miss it being worthwhile to upgrade every 2-3 years. I built my first computer in 2001.
Upgrading was so much fun.
Then Jews and, Ruiz, and Bulldozer ruined everything for 6 years running.

Sticking with a 6 core now gives me more reason to upgrade to the improved 8 core later, since it'll not only be an upgrade for better cores but more cores as well. Intel never gave an easy upgrade from 4 cores to 6.
It's a somewhat autistic reason, but whatever.

>>59980747
But he wanted one for gaming and that one is for XtremeGamers
>>59980748
Go for it, it's your money, it's not like the AM4 socket is going anywhere anytime soon so you will have plenty of room to upgrade parts later with it.

What motherboard should I go with. I see a lot of reviews for the x370s, but I really only need a B350 for some mild overclocking when it comes to RAM.

>>59975776
>>59975751
I'm half interested in FreeSync but I don't really care for it. I just want a good 1440p IPS monitor for a workstation build and then I'll probably pick up another, fancier 1440p monitor with FreeSync and maybe 144hz at a later time.

What does FreeSync2 even offer and what's a good 1440p IPS monitor?

>>59980895
At least wait for the new Nixeus 1440p, 144Hz IPS display with 30-144Hz freesync. It's coming out mid-May and up for pre-order on massdrop.

>>59980907
Do you really think that's good?
I looked at it. Kinda ugly, huge bezel. But the stats and price look pretty nice...

I'm waiting for a good 2560x1600 or 4k HDR10 monitor with >97% of DCI-P3 and super deep blacks. Something I can both content create on and game on.
That new Eizo looks nice, but it's ~17:9.

>>59980895
Freesync2 requires response time to be 1ms at most and supports an HDR10 standard. idk there should be shit about it on AMD's site.

>>59980907
Can't the acer xf270hu and asus mg279q already do this with 40-144Hz?

>>59980938
>price look pretty nice
Yea I think it's nice

so the i7 7700 would not be good for streaming compared to the r7 1700?

>>59980972
r7 1700 will be much better if you are streemer but you have to ask your self how much if at all are you streaming
because purely for gaming i7 is better choice

>>59980907
What's the catch with massdrop? What's the preorder price? This looks like a decent monitor with all the features I want, but I have no brand experience. Asus and Acer are everywhere. Dell and BenQ. Haven't heard of Nixeus though.

Is this worth the investment?

>>59980950
>xf270hu
$590
>mg279q
$450

The point is that the Nixeus is $400. I want to say I'd spend the $50 more for the ANUS, but I bet they require 10 dead pixels before they'll do anything about it.
My monitor budget is $1500 anyway.

>>59980972
No, you'd need to get a capture card that costs as much as the 1700 itself costs, and even then it'd still be inferior quality.
Or you use the hardware accelerated encoder on the i7-7700, and it's even worse performance and more of a performance impact.
Ryzen 7 is the only sane option for streaming. Unless your budget is enough to build 2 computers, in which case you build a dedicated encoding machine.

>>59980992
Reviews for their other monitors generally seem better than ASUS. ASUS has terrible customer service and warranty service which is probably why.
And it's $400 if preordered through Massdrop, normally $500.
Professional reviews on their other monitors seem good. I'm not sure what the Massdrop return policy is, though...

>Is this worth the investment?
Idk. But I paid $400 for my monitor like 6 or 7 years ago, and it's still better quality than your average monitor today. I think $100 1080p monitors are a waste of money.
It's literally what you're looking at all the time. You want something that looks good, that's smooth, etc.

>>59980972
>streaming
This kills the i7

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/VPch8K
thoughts?

>>59980994
That's if I do this pre-order thing for something I have no idea what the quality will be like. Not that the asus mg279q or xf270hu are known for good quality. If I wait for reviews I still am paying 500. Also fuck Asus, working through Amazon or newegg is way better if you are going to play the panel lottery.
Is this a korean monitor?

>>59981024
$400 seems like a steal but I'm still skeptical about this process. What is massdrop gaining out of this?

And if for whatever reason this turns out to be shit, what should I get as my second option? Again, I'm not too concerned bout freesync and mostly just want 1440p IPS

>>59981038
Can you get a better quality PSU for a similar price?
Did they fix the issues with the ANUS boards for real?
Are you sure you want a 1070?

>>59981043
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Korean. But aren't all the panels? LG and Samsung are Korean companies, go figure.

>>59981061
Massdrop gets a cut. The seller gets advertisement through Massdrop and a lot of orders all at once.

Not sure if it's the right thread but there is no Ryzen general and it's sorta building-related.
Anyone has memory (?) issues with Taichi or other x370 board even with ram at 2133/slow timings/high (xmp-suggested) voltage?
I have two hynix-based 4GB sticks and get shitton of bsods on freshly installed windows 10, mostly MEMORY_MANAGEMENT error.

Fastest ways to trigger the BSOD are playing certain vidya titles or using skype conference for 10-15 minutes.
After I get first bsod system gets unstable with a series of bsods during or immediately after login, after 3-5 reboots system goes stable enough to run browser etc or:
>Memtest for over 12 hours - no issues
>Prime95 default settings for over 12 hours - no issues
>AIDA stability test (cpu+ram) for over 12 hours - no issues

Using Windows 1607 and 1703, drivers from windows update, asrock or amd websites - same result. Also subsequent bsods can happen on live winpe or windows installer, but never in memtest or live linux so far.
I have GeForce 960, tried both drivers from windows update and nvidia website - same result.

Sequential bsods suggest power/heat issues but the PSU ran fine with Z97-based system before and there is no overheat on any of the motherboard sensors.
Currently I do not have a spare PSU or memory to swap, tried using either of the single sticks and got the same bsods.

>>59981115
You're getting MEMORY_MANAGEMENT error even at 2133?
Someone else posted about that.
Did you contact ASRock support?
And BIOS is updated, right?

>>59981156
Yes, 2133 at both auto/default bios settings of 16-18-18 1.35V (timing and voltage off XMP intended for 3200)
I have not contacted support yet
latest bios version, 2.0

Is the 4GB 580 worth buying over the 8GB 480? They both cost the same here while being cheaper than the 6GB 1060. Is it better to just grab the 8GB 480 if I plan on keeping the card for at least 3 years?

>>59981188
> auto/default bios settings OR 16-18-18 1.35V
fix

>>59981061
If you're questioning whether massdrop is legit or not, it is. It's a really popular site and just a few months ago had a lot of buzz for having a variant of some high-end Sennheiser headphones that were half the price of the original version but tested to sound just about identical on frequency response.

>>59981115
I suggest trying y-cruncher, especially the NTT tests.

>>59981025
Yes because obviously prior Ryzen NO ONE was able to stream.

>>59981237
> I suggest trying y-cruncher, especially the NTT tests.
Thanks, will try this evening.
Also someone on msi forums suggested IntelBurnTest and occt psu mode. At the very least it would be helpful if either could quickly produce errors. I don't think store return/service people would accept War Thunder or Skype as reliable tests.

>>59981192
>Is the 4GB 580 worth buying over the 8GB 480
Over reference model and for 1080p? yes. Over the XFX GTR or maybe some other good model that can overclock to 1450MHz fine? No.

>>59981188
Did you install all your drivers? Like chipset ones and shit.
Did you run SFC scanner?

If you still have trouble, it looks like you're going to have to try tweaking timings manually.
Like try inputting the advertised timings manually but give it more voltage like 1.4v or 1.5v with good cooling on your board.

>>59981267
They used capture cards, and they're worse quality, or they use X99.
Go look at streamers who use capture cards and the quality. Durr. The X99 CPU encoding ones look much better. As do the Ryzen ones.
Why bother posting bullshit when you have no clue what you're talking about?

Are AMD products free from CIA backdoors?

Hmm, my PC is suddenly a lot slower now i've Installed new parts ( CPU, MOBO, RAM, GPU ).

I've installed all the neccesary drivers yet everything has a few seconds delay to it when opening a program for example, even the internet browser.

Anyone around with the same common issue?

>>59981304
> Did you install all your drivers? Like chipset ones and shit.
Amd chipset and intel lan, yes. Windows Update has the same versions of everything.
Disabled sound and wireless in bios to rule them out.
> Did you run SFC scanner?
No but I reinstalled windows like 20 times from multiple msdn-hash-verified isos since monday.
>more voltage
When I enter 1.4V it shows in bright red font. The ram does not have any heatsinks, is it safe enough?

>>59981317
Doesn't seem like it.
They have a "platform security processor" which is like the Intel "management engine".
It's an ARM co-processor that's closed source. It's unknown what it does but enterprise customers and government customers require it.

They really should give a way for non-enterprise customers to disable it. It's currently a lose-lose if you want a modern CPU.

>>59981395
>The ram does not have any heatsinks, is it safe enough?
Point a fan at it. 1.4v is definitely fine, but just to be safe.

R5 1600 w/ GTX1080 or i7 7700k w/ GtX1070 for gaymen ?

>>59981471
Wouldn't recommend 7700k since everyone keeps seeming to need to delid, unless you already planned to do that. 6700k instead.

But 1600+1080 is obviously the better value there. Or Vega if you can wait a few more weeks since AMD GPUs just seem to run so smooth on Ryzen.

>>59981471
hard choice really

ryzen is ha hazard in games
it can preform like i7 or like i3 depend on game

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>>59981509
>performs like i3
in how many games? And
>on day1 benchmarks with 2133MHz RAM while the i3 is on a $300 Z270 board with 3200MHz RAM.

This seems like a good sample size to me. Both on 3200MHz RAM, and it wasn't day1 BIOS.

>>59981558

The 1600 isn't on that chart tho

>>59981605
Not sure if you're being serious or not, but in case you are: the 1600X is 95-100% the same as the 1800X in games, so you can guess where it lies.

>>59981317
It's my understanding that Intel ME primarily functions as a botnet and remote hacking service with many vulnerabilities known for it.

AMD's PSP, though it can access i/o and RAM, mainly does cryptography and seems to be focused around verifying programs run correctly and doesn't seem to have anything to do with remotely managing computers that are turned off nor are there any known vulnerabilities.
Though.. technically it seems like it could do the same things that ME does.

You'd think wikileaks or something would have leaked any known vulnerabilities about it if true. There's a huge void of information about it. AMD does not seem to advertise it as a way to remotely access computers like Intel does. But I still really dislike it.

>>59981471
obviously 1080, even if it was 1400 it would perform better than i7-5Ghz with 1070

What the windows of choice right now? 7/8/8.1/10?

>>59981982
>What the windows of choice right now? 7/8/8.1/10?
Linux.

>>59981982
7 QEMU GPU passthrough

>>59982009
>>59982017

but them games

>>59982049
KVM/QEMU GPU passthrough is 95-99% native performance.
Use Linux for main desktop and that to play games.

Hey anons. I see the Samsung 850 Evo 500GB on sale for $140 (tax already included). Should I jump on this sale? Or should I wait for a better deal? I don't think I could find a deal better than this in the near future, especially with all the NAND flash prices getting higher with every month.

>>59982214
I'll probably post this again in the next thread since this one's about to end pretty soon.

>>59982214
Yeah it's not going to get much lower than that for the foreseeable future.

>>59982079
Shame that doesn't work with Ryzen (yet) due to stupid IOMMU grouping.

>>59982279
I thought IOMMU grouping on ASRock boards are fine?
I'll find out soon, I guess.

Don't forget guys, the blend of blue and green creates purple. the colour of luxury and wealth.

A constant reminder that Intel & Nvidia are always, always, the best option.

Do yourselves a favour, don't play with fire, don't go red, build a purple PC

Are the Transcend MSA370s the best cheap mSATA SSDs that aren't bottom-tier generic chinese junk? (brands with names like KingFlowerDianFastSpec etc)

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>>59982397
fuck off doc I don't need a daily dose

My Ryzen 1600 + Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 combo is being shipped but i just saw these: http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-cpu and http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3387164/am4-motherboard-ship-ryzen-support.html

So it's not going to work 100 percent without the right bios or do i have a chance? What do i do now?

Gonna be most likely getting a ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1070, would the cpu be bottlenecking the gpu or would it not be a problem?
Also, what would be a good motherboard that is fairly cheap? And what speed of ram should I approximately get?

>>59982644
>Gonna be most likely getting a ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1070, would the cpu be bottlenecking the gpu or would it not be a problem?
Technically a good match but rumors are that Ryzen + Nvidia doesn't play very well together.
>what would be a good motherboard that is fairly cheap?
ASRock B350 Pro4 / K4 or Gigabyte B350 G3 is what i'd chose on a budget.
>And what speed of ram should I approximately get?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4k_ErEg-FU
TL;DR: the fastest RAM without paying a huge premium. Personally i'd go for G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 CL16 or Corsair LPX 3000 CL15, those usually come at a good price and offer good performance.
Do check the QVL and maybe some forums though, AM4 boards are still very picky on the RAM.

>>59982680
Thanks. I'll try do some more research on those.
I heard the stock cooler for the 1600 is also not bad, so I shouldn't need to invest into a new cooler unless I start to overclock it right?

>>59982707
The Wraith Sphire is good even for some OC and doesn't make much noise. Unless you want higher than 3.8GHz you don't need an aftermarket cooler.
Temps can get rather high, too high for me, but if you don't mind like 70-80°C under load you don't need to buy anything. Also depends on your silicon of course.

The 1600X seems like it's priced too high. No real advantage over the non-X 1600, no boxed cooler while being little faster - you can just overclock the 1600 to get to the speeds of the 1600X.

What am I missing here?

Can anyone say what Biostar motherboards are like? Building an ITX PC for my partner and the only AM4 ITX boards available are both Biostar. Going to put a 1500X or 1600 in with no OC

>>59982806
Nothing, buy the 1600

Guys I'm worried. Pic related is my mobo and I have a H7 cooler. Can I fit any GPU I wish or not? When I built my computer I remembered thinking there wasn't much space left, and that free slot which is the nearest to the CPU was dangerously close to the H7...

... Is the H7 too big or something? Am I retarded? Is this even a worry or am I worrying over nothing?
For the height I have enough for most GPUs, I verified.

Does windows 7 need to be activated to do the Windows 10 assistive technology upgrade?

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>>59982863
>pic related
Forgot pic.

>>59982806
>What am I missing here?
XFR. If you really want thet high boost on one or two cores for certain situations (mostly games) and probably a better binned chip which should give you like 100-200 MHz better OC and/or better voltages and temps, then that's the 1600X for your.
Otherwise 1600 is the way to go.

>>59982863
>>59982872
To add to these, my H7 is installed exactly like this :
http://pcpartpicker.com/b/GWLD4D (check the pics).

Someone make new thread.

>>59982806
Just for people that don't want to overclock, or want their leet OC result to be 50-200MHz higher.

>>59982863
That is definitely possible. I didn't think the H7 was that big, but that does look tight as fuck.

>>59983001
Couldn't I use the lower slot then for my future GPU? It doesn't matter which one I use right?

>>59983099
Generally a single GPU most go in the top slot. Did you read your motherboard manual?

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Hey /g/ poor Ausfag here, making a first build to try and get 60fps at 1080p as well as general browsing, streaming and programming (cs student).

Practically all parts are the cheapest i can find for what i need, but i'm open to suggestions on pretty much anything, hoping for a 470 pricedrop as the 570 is $400 here, and i may be able to get a monitor locally for $40 as well.
Appreciate any help!

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/tYBwZ8

>>59978462
What is this bullshit about browser? I have old as shit intel 4 core cpu and still when I play I have open Spotify, browser with multiple tabs, discord, vlc or some shit, and it has always been okay.

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>>59982680
but if you are building on budget find dual rank

>>59983099
It usually does. On your pic lower slot is obviously 8x, same as most motherboards.
Only the very top gaming / workstation boards have multiple 16x slots.
It's not supposed to noticeably affect performance but there is difference.

>>59983293
But DR should generally run at 3200 after the May microcode update, is the thing.

>>59983183
>>59983319
Indeed.
>1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)
* For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot.
>1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4)
(All of the PCI Express slots conform to PCI >2 x PCI slots

I checked a little bit and it seems the H7 is universal there shouldn't be a problem. It might be really tight but it'll fit (unless the card is absurdly thicc).

>>59983250
>streaming
>on a pentium
yea that isnt going to work

>>59983250
>poor
>not buying used
hell you could just import used shit from japan considering how close it is

>>59980713
vidya
mostly just games

>>59983508
Even second hand shit on gumtree is just normies thinking their fucking 970s are worth 300 bucks still :(
Shipping from the US or Japan basically ruins any price gains from those either

Is there nothing to improve in the build while keeping the price around the same?

>eu
>4XX series prices don't go down after the 5XX are released

>>59983627
Got a second hand XFX RX 480 GTR for £180 last month cos I knew the RX 580 would be an overclocked RX 480 but £40 more. Not often I'm right but this time I was.

New thread

>>59983716
>>59983716
>>59983716