They said it's the same thing! They said refreshes is nothing!

>>59957607
>aftermarket 580 can't even beat a stock 1070
>AMDrones still try to spin this as a good thing

>>59957812
holy shit 8 fps less

amd is finished!!!!!!!!!!

no one is marketing it as a 1070 competitor anyways retard

>>59957830
>480 is the 1060 competitor
>somehow the 580 is not a 1070 competitor

>>59957812
It never was intended to be a 1070 competitor, hence the different price class.

>>59957864
It clearly was intended to be a 1070 competitor, but amd can't do anything right and realized it would never win.
So they just lowered the price and told everyone it was never supposed to be a 1070 alternative.

>>59957607
fake and gay

>>59957812
>card a whole tier higher is only 8 fps faster then some midrange shit tier card below it

>implying vega is gonna shove 4096 bit dicks into every port on pascal.

>>59957891
:^)

That 1070 is starting to look like a really shitty buy.
>$100+ more expensive
><10fps difference at 1080p where all framerates are high enough it makes no appreciable difference
>~2fps difference in 1440p, which is the point most would actually be looking at going with the 1070
>Can't into DX12 or Vulkan
>Can't into drivers anymore

Price drops incoming? Nvidia suicides coming?

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>>59957812
Your bait worked so good. I'm impressed, anon.
I actually choked on my own cum a little.

>>59958575
>I actually choked on my own cum a little.
hot

>>59957812
>ignoring 4K
Okay Reslet

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>>59959121
DELETE THIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59957891
>lowering the price is a bad thing
nigga u wut?

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>>59959121
>haha why get Polaris, games don't use DX12

>o-oh god... almost every new game is using DX12 or Vulkan
>the 1060 is worse in almost everything, especially at 1440p
>e-even the 1070 is hardly better in many cases

>>59959121
>>59959139
>>59959259
techpowerup review is very weird. I was focusing on the results versus the 980Ti. The new card wins some by a decent margin, loses some by a lot and matches it on some others.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/

guru3d also had a review that I'd consider above par.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-radeon-rx-580-strix-review,1.html

>>59959259
please delet this sir

It's just overclocked retard.
Do yoh people seriously not max out the clock on your videocards the second you buy them? Lmaoing at your lives.
I bet you guys buy the 1800x for the extra 400 mhz too.

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>>59959347
matching 980Ti in battlefield.

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>>59959347
losing by a good margin.

>>59959442
good thing nobody plays cuckolds creed

>>59959442
show me the fps/$$$ ratio then we'll talk about who won and who lost.

>>59959347
Yeah.
In some cases it is 3% behind the 1060.
In other cases it's almost as high as the 1070.

I never really trusted TPU, though.

>>59959401
It's an updated process, retard. It's about 8-10% more power efficient compared to the average 480.
They're just overclocked even higher than what is efficient.

The RX580 Red Devil is 1439MHz and uses 30watts less than the 1330MHz RX480 Red Devil.

And who really fucking cares about power in the 180-250W range? It's not like a Fermi housefire that was pulling 480W.

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SA also got some really weird 99th results in Counter-Strike: GO, Company of Heroes 2, and Total War: Warhammer.

>>59959523
Could this be due to the Ryzen system?

>>59957607
What site is that? I remember a similar colored graph a few days showing the performance of several AM4 motherboards, some were even up to 20% slower than others.

>>59959523
>AMD CPU's are being used to benchmark brand new GPU's
>I can't remember the last time this ever happened

summary vs the 980Ti

1080p losses against the 980Ti some by a lot 25%+ some by as little as 5%
anno 2205
assassin's creed
civ vi
dishonored 2
doom
fallout 4
far cry
ghost recon wildlands
gta v
rotr
shadow warrior
sniper elite
styx
tw warhammer
watch dogs 2


matches
battlefield 1
deus ex
f1 2016
resident evil 7


wins
cod
hitman

>>59957607
This is not ME:A or Windlands! Remove immediately!

We need to bring modded skyrim at 800x600 back into benchmarks Fallout 4 and ARMA aren't enough now!

>>59959463
>>59959475
that's not the point. It's asbout the variance.
It's literally all over the place, perf summaries are kinda pointless since you could very easily skew your final averages any way you'd a lot more effortlessly than usual. Not that this is hard to do, but it's way more prevalent with an standart variation as ridiculous as this.

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AMD 500 series is a trash release and served no purpose but to fuck over 480 owners the same way NVIDIA fucked over Titan owners with the ti.

Ryzen 5 was shit.
AMD 500 series is shit.
Vega will probably be shit.

Slaves to NVIDIA and INTEL for the foreseeable future.

>>59959681
i wonder how it would do in modded skyrim. the 480 was apparently mediocre in it

>>59959710
>AMD 500 series is a trash release and served no purpose but to fuck over 480 owners the same way NVIDIA fucked over Titan owners with the ti.
In what way???

>>59959710
This came 10 months later than the 480 and is so near its performance only a idiot would upgrade.

>>59959523
That's just a 1380MHz one, too.
THere's a few of them that are 1425-1450 and will OC higher.

Still waiting to see how high they OC. It seems with current drivers they get capped at 1480MHz?

>>59959697
How are those 99th percentilre results odd?
It's from 3.40 average to 4.50 99th percentile in CSGO.
28.00 to 31.40 on Total Warhammer.
CoH2 is the only one, and it's probably just being wonky on Ryzen 5.

>>59959737
people that waited 10 months get a better GPU for cheaper!

>>59959737
muh 5-10% increase 500 series gpu for less than the 480. Yea go fuck yourselves loyal consumers who bought the 480.

I will stick with my 1080 while my 480 sits in the fucking closet collecting dust.

>>59959759
There seems to be some kind of power bug where a slight +10mV increase dramatically increases the power usage after 1480, increasing the power target doesn't help

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>>59959768
What the fuck man.

>>59959768
What language is this?

>>59959697
I've read a couple reviews so far,
3 or 4 had the 1060 coming out on top, either edging out or btfo'ing.
on a couple they were absolutely on par. only price, and especially now, perf/watt matters.
some had the 1060 placed a whole tier behind, such as that from tpu, as such, being btfo.

>>59959801
>>59959805
The 580 is exactly what the 480 should have been. Fuck AMD.

>>59959823
AMD doesn't dictate at what state of maturity are GloFo/Samsung's fabs you retard.

>>59959697
I think i can explain apart from shilling. Some people like Linus reduced tessellation level to the minimum in the driver (everyone should do this imo) and probably had power limit set to the max in wattman.

>>59959794
Aye that's what I mean.
I was hoping 8+6 pins could OC over 1600MHz fine.

>>59959807
>the 1060 comes on top using 5 year old games and we didn't test any new games
gee

>>59959823
>The 580 is exactly what the 480 should have been
Yeah, because you can have the manufacturing process refined day 1 for your first 14nm card.
You're embarrassing yourself with how much you make you ignorance clear.

>>59959834
GPU threads are basically /v/ so most people here know nothing about fabrication process.

>>59957607
NVidiots will still shill this, and they shill Intel too
>Corelets
>VRAMlets

Holy fuck I just want to upgrade from my 290x. Will Vega double the performance or will I have to wait even longer? Honestly loving how great finewine is.

>>59959823
Dude i bought my 470 8 months ago and its pretty close to 570 performance wise. I have no complains. 570/580 are better indeed but not THAT much to be butthurt.

>>59959843
>>59959834
There was absolutely no reason to even release this series. Should have tried to make it at least compete with the 1070 but no it's not even close.

>>59959442
Ignoring any AMD vs Nvidia shit, holy fuck. What a terribly optimized game.

>>59959858
You'll get somewhere around the 1080Ti, give or take a few.
How much is the 1080Ti faster than a 290X? Some 2.5x times?

>>59959858
Should be pretty close to double performance.

>>59959876
>What a terribly optimized game.
What did you expect of ubishit?

>>59959891
I mean... You're not wrong...

>>59959871
You're clueless, the 1070 is a 30% bigger GPU.
They're not even in the same ballpark.

>>59959871
But why not if they can? Everyones benefit from it.

is vega even going to have an offering at this pricepoint?

>>59959889
lol it won't be anywhere near the 1080 ti.

AMshit vega will be near 1080.

>>59958657
fuck I thought thaqt was .1 and 1% lows not reses, fuck me what the hell happened 1070?

>>59959913
No you retard.
Holy shit where did you mug that brain from?

>release $230 GPU
>then release another one with the same price 6 weeks latter

>>59959938
>12.5tflops card will never be near 1080ti
Just end yourself Ramesh.

>>59959942
Its shit. I wonder how the fuck it can win over some 980Ti's, must be gimping.

>>59959938
Vega is a pretty big die so you're pretty much objectively wrong, like always.

>>59959948
then why compare it to a gpu that costs significantly more than it like a 1070? :^)

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>NEARLY 250W TDP FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT HAHAHAHA

>>59959963
nah, this isn't gimping, remember these are the 480's just clocked to the point we got with the golden sample leaks when the 480 came out, polaris was never bad, we just never got the binned gpus, now, they either improved the process enough that the bottom tier got a leg up, or we are getting binned gpus.

>>59959948
Isnt rx 480 like 8 months old

>>59959840
More people should test with reduced tessellation, at least until Nvidia fucking includes it in their drivers so everybody wins.

>>59959871
That's Vega, retard.
This is for the mainstream $150-$300 range.

>>59959938
>AMD's small die is within 5% of the 1070 in many games
>the twice as large die with the biggest architecture change since GCN totally won't beat the 1080!!!!!!! buy nvidia now!!!!!
You're retarded.

>>59959843
People expect too much from OC headroom. Hardware that runs close to it's limits shouldn't be considered that bad when it's within reasonable temps and power consumption out of the box.
I think Ryzen suffered a lot because of such unwarranted expectations in the same breath as these rebrandeons will too.

Yes it disenfranchises enthusiasts in some sense but normies who wouldn't ever OC anyway just take this chance hop onto the bandwagon to spill some bs marketing level fud that wouldn't affect them in the least, on contrary, it empwers them, closing the gap against the enthusiasts.

>>59957854
is a kaby lake i5 a skylake i7 competitor

>>59960007
>Vega - 540mm2
>Polaris 10 - 230mm2


"Twice as small"

>>59959980
Into the trash with the rest of AMD

Team red fails again. They spend so much time trying to fight for last place with the back end of Nvidia's gpus they don't even have a main event contender.

CONGRATULATIONS AMSHITS

>>59960015
Isn't Vega 515-520?

>>59960027
530mm2

https://videocardz.net/amd-radeon-rx-vega

>>59960012
Yes but RX480s with golden GPU bins like the XFX GTR were hitting 1450MHz+.
These appear to be even better die, but they're being held back on the manual OC somehow.
I don't care much about power consumption when it's this low to start with. This isn't Fermi, Fury X, or 290X power consumption/

>>59960015
Okay, 4 times smaller. Even further reinforces what I was saying.

>>59960030
That's a pretty big ones. I hope Vega delivers. I need another 5870/7970/290x.

>>59959980
>confusing power consumption with heat dissipation
>confusing the total system draw with the GPU TDP
Go back to high school and learn physics please.

>>59959980
Still uses less power than a delidlake

>>59960046
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/28.html
>They measure power draw for the video card directly from the slot and power connectors.
>no u fucktard.

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>>59960052

>>59960073
I stand half corrected
>confusing TDP with power consumption

>>59960073
the 1080ti doesn't use 270 watts you twat

>>59959746
idiot or someone who held back and is on lets say a 280x or below?

>>59960103
Yeah, sure.

>>59959962
100% depends on how good they dealt with bottlenecks, it could just match a 1080 it could be competitive with the 1080ti on clocks alone, but surpassing them requires alleviating bottlenecks.

>>59960103
280X? Isn't that Tahiti? That's a lot slower than this unless you got one those 1400MHz overclocked monsters.

>>59960120
Well NCU is something they talked very briefly about.

>>59960127
Oh well aware, people are bitching yesterday that they are comparing this gpu to the 380x and 970... those are both gpus that you would consider upgrading to this from, there is a reason they didn't put the 480 on the comparison.

>>59960039
I believe that at this price bracket the power circuit design takes a lot out of the OC potential, since they'll probably skimp out on the components and will have to lock some more aggressive power tunings. Between that that and the gpu themselves, we got those severe limitations. I still don't think that they're that bad for this tier, on the contrary I think they did a good job balancing the compromises for this cards at this price points.

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don't worry bros... next time AMD will beat nvidia.. don't you worry..

just wait..

#radeonrebels

>>59960133
the only thing amd has shown was vega has no hard vram bottleneck, so even 2gb can run deus ex at max settings, likely an apu focused feature, or a way to sell vega cheaper by only having 1 hbm chip and not fucking the card over hard in the future.

>IC overclocked to hell and back uses a shitload of power and is inefficient

Here's a reality check.
A 4core 5GHz 7700k uses 20% more power than a 24 core Broadwell-EX

>>59960180
It's also over 50% faster, less expensive and a newer architecture

>>59957607
I'm an AMD fan but this seems like a cherrypicked benchmark.

>>59960247
>it's also over 50% faster,
>corelet
>faster
>"new" architecture
Audible kek.

>>59960252
aren't they all?

>>59960247
Get a netburst to 8GHz, it's 50% faster than your kabylake

some were asking about Ryzen paired reviews:
http://techreport.com/review/31754/amd-radeon-rx-580-and-radeon-rx-570-graphics-cards-reviewed/2

techReport reviews are awesome, but only 3 games is kinda pointless.

>>59960247
Good job not understanding how Turbo and caches works you fucking mong.

>>59960298
and a very limited selection of cards.

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>>59960252
Yes, obviously.
But even in a cherry picked benchmark, it shouldn't be that close when it's almost half the price.
That's just how lots of newer games look which use DX12 or Vulkan properly.
It's not the only game that looks like that, but OC3D didn't test a whole lot.

>>59959259 shows more examples
I bet The Division DX12 looks similar.

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>>59959259
>>59960338

>o-oh god... almost every new game is using DX12 or Vulkan

lol what are you talking about.

>>59960542
At least 12 of those games are regularly used in game benchmarking.

>>59960542
Nobody ever talks about the stuttering and massive input lag in DX12 and Vulkan either.

>>59960700
Graphics APIs don't make input lag, you stupid piece of shit. They don't handle peripheral inputs at all.

>>59960542
>not 1 good game
honestly why even bother making gpus when the gaming industry is such trash?

>>59957854
Are you retarded, is a 980 a direct competitor to a 1080??

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>>59960848

>>59960870
Well, nu-Doom and The Talos Principle are great.

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>>59959980
>>59959980
>NEARLY 250W TDP
How? 224W rounds down to 200, if you're rounding by 50's
You'd get your point across by saying 225W...

>>59960810
Then why does it exist in every current DX12/Vulkan title?

>>59960903
bad engine programming

>>59960903
>Then why does it exist in every current DX12/Vulkan title?
Stop using novideo cards.

I'm still running with my 980ti classified. Clocks to 1550mhz on stock voltage, and have yet to find a game it can't push 45+ fps at 1440p. I was kind of looking forward to the Rx 5xx series, but its just another refresh.

I'll probably hold onto this card until Vega refresh or volta refresh.

>>59960870
quake and doom are the only good games on that list 2bh. Star citizen would be interesting but itlll never release. at this point they might as well only release gpus whenever bethesda makes a new game.

they might as well just do all benchmarking in mobashit and overwatch since its all the mindless goyim play, sad.

>>59960909
Interesting. So no developer knows how to properly program using these APIs. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

>>59960918
390x.

>>59960954
The Talos Principle is also good.

>>59960954
>muh taste
calm down. No one really cares what you think is good or not.

>>59960964
i didnt play it 2bh, ill take your word for it.
>>59961014
i mean if you want to buy a 1080 orr whatever to play niggerfront 2 in 4k, be my guest... but youll eventually realize its a shit.

its why "future proofing" is so retarded since by the time something decent comes out the 1080 will be low tier

>>59959442
Nvidia Gimpworks in effect on a Ubisoft title, colour me fuckng shocked.

>>59960542
Do you know what the word exclusive means?

>>59959423
>>59959442
>1080p

Just a question: If this 580 is so good can't all 480 users OC their cards or even flash them?
>>59959980
Stil pretty efficient compared to that 970.
>>59960542
I wish they were using more Vulkan. Imagine buying AMD and switching to Linux finally.

Benchmarks don't even fucking matter, dude. We've seen the fucking glitches in all of these modern games. You really think they're not coded by idiots on the graphics side, too?

>>59960542
How do you not know how to use a basic fucking question mark? Are you some fucking twelve year old?

>>59960700
Fucking this. I fell for the 480 meme and now I have to use DX11 and a lower frame rate because the input lag is through the roof.

>>59957891
>It clearly was intended to be a 1070 competitor,

lol

Alexa tell me another joke

>>59961510

your fucking retarded

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>>59959710
>served no purpose but to fuck over 480 owners

I bought a new car but the manufacturer keep releasing an updated version every year. They fucked me over for 10 years now.

>>59960810
>Graphics APIs don't make [sic] input lag
>Every DX12 title has enormous input lag
>Calls someone a stupid piece of shit despite being uneducated on the topic

Really gets that noggin -a-joggin'

>>59961454
No, think of it in terms of skylake vs kaby lake.
How many 6700k's at 5ghz do you usually see? They are out there, but only on the top golden samples. Analogue situation.

Dunno if there are many1500mhz 480's, google should tell you that easily enough. But i'll bet that 580's at 1500mhz or slightly above on water won't be as rare.

>>59957812
>>59957891
it's not a 1070 competitor you dumb cunt

>>59961712
>implies correlation == causation
dumb fuck

>>59961454
Only RX480 that I think reaches similar clocks is the XFX GTR.

These are better PCBs, and better GPUs. You can see that at the same load, same clocks, they are more efficient.

>>59960962
>Interesting. So no developer knows how to properly program using these APIs. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
They literally don't, they even had a report about it a while ago.

>>59960903
Mantle, which is just Vulkan 0.9, never had input lag issues in BF4 or Thief. Did Nvidia sabotage Vulkan? An Nvidia exec is the president of Khronos, the organization gatekeeping Vulkan

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>>59961850
>100% of subjects are affected by it
>doesn't have a single lick of evidence to prove that it's not the fault of the API
>calls others dumb fucks

>>59961944
Interesting theory. What about DX12?

>>59958237
>Nvidia suicides coming?
Nvidia stock is sky-high and rallying. They are not on suicide watch.

>>59959259
It would appear that Nvidia cards are at the top of every single graph in that image.

>>59959401
No, I don't overclock my GPU even though the RX 4 series with the AMDGPU kernel driver let's you do so with an echo to > /sys (seriously, it's that easy). I prefer lower power-draw and much less noise over some minor performance gain.

>>59959423
Looks like the re-branded slightly higher clocked RX 580 housefire has a minor performance increase over RX 480 on Battlefield 1, that's almost 7 more frames per second. Not really that much.

>>59959506
>>The RX580 Red Devil is 1439MHz and uses 30watts less than the 1330MHz RX480 Red Devil.

RX 480 stock TDP: 150W
RX 580 stock TDP: 185W

This is natural sine it's just a slightly higher clocked RX 480

>>59961748
obviously with that inferior performance

>>59961980
There's no official story, Microsoft just wants us to believe it came out of thin air from their secret labs. But from what I've looked into AMD said they shared Mantle with Microsoft as they were working on it because MS was interested in low level APIs. And in the first place Mantle is created by EA DICE's lead technical director so it's not actually AMD specific, they just helped him refine it so drivers could be written for actual hardware. He claimed he did all the groundwork in some german interview or something. And according to him he went to all the major players but they all showed no sign in Mantle except AMD.

So from the sounds of it DX12 and Vulkan are just Johan's Mantle refined for the creators' purposes. For Microsoft it's PC and console development, for Vulkan is for Nvidia to fuck everyone in the ass.

Here's Johan's interview:
https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/APU13-Der-Battlefield-Schoepfer-ueber-AMDs-3D-Schnittstelle-Mantle-2045398.html

>>59961980
If you mean why DX12 has problems, Nvidia and Microsoft were partnered for the announcement. Could be more Nvidia meddling

/g/ - Jewtel & noVidya Balllickers

>>59959442
gotta turn those gimpworks shadows up, they don't change visuals at all, but sure as hell hog on AMD arch just because

>>59962079
>There's no official story, Microsoft just wants us to believe it came out of thin air from their secret labs
they just took API that worked on their consoles and adapted it for windows

>>59957607
It's a powercolor red devil which means it has a substantial overclock. The 470 red devil is almost a 480.

>>59957607
>$250
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-PowerColor-Radeon-RX-580-Red-Devil-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1167702.html
It's about $300.

>>59960848
you can play old games with down-scaling at 8k

>>59962079
>for Vulkan is for Nvidia to fuck everyone in the ass.
fuck i am completely out of the loop
when did vulkan change to something pro nvidia ?
last i remember it was a clear pro for amd

>>59957607
>Schlomo go
>t. rajesh
t. schlomo

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DELET THIS THREAD ALREADY!!!!!!!

>>59960542
>Exclusive
Kys

Those benches have a stock 980ti , the 580 has nearly no over clocking headroom while the 980ti easily does 1400+

>>59957607
you end up paying more with the power bill, how can't people see that?

>>59958237
It always did, that is why I didn't buy it.

>>59968446
>24bux a year
yea, not really an argument people care about.