AMD BTFO YET AGAIN

>>59950094
1600 is quite impressive actually.

0.1% and 1% nice way to hide intel 200ms stutter

>>59950094
> RYZEN DOA
Vishera all over again, which means it's wiser to buy AMD if you aren't going to buy a new PC in 5 to 7 years after that.

What is better for mITX workstation R5 1600X or 7700K ?

>>59950139
Get the 1600, cheaper than the 1600X and comes with a good quality stock cooler.

>>59950154
>mITX

>>59950208
Yeah, mastarrace choice, I know.

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OCing board vs a mid tier board?

>>59950139
There's no mITX mobos for Ryzen as for now.

>>59950094
y-y-yeah intel is b-b-b-better

>>59950094
>Slightly worse in gaming but significantly better in productive applications
How is this a bad thing?

>>59950094
so SLI is a waste of money? that's not exactly news.

>>59950094
>nvidia drivers

also his numbers got weird all of a sudden, nobody has those numbers

Looks more like a piece of evidence against SLI than against a processors.
I mean look at that garbage, your average frame rate spikes so you think it's running faster, but the average frame times barely decrease at all,

Like I keep telling people, async frame rendering (as used in all DX11 and below), is like a double barrelled shotgun. You fire from one barrel, and then the next almost at the same time (or at the same time), then you wait for the reload. Consider each shot a delivered frame.

The big problem is user input- the second card can't predict what input the user is going to put in and then extrapolate out the entire application to render that frame before it was even asked to be rendered.

The only solution is to render a single frame faster, and SLI/crossfire CANNOT do this.

>2017
>using sli/crossfire

>>59950094
The lower performance for AMD chips was confirmed to be due to NVidia drivers

The 1800X has no meaning in gaming when the 1600 exists.

For productivity it's a beast though, but you always end up paying through the ass for flagships

>>59951229
no it wasn't.
1060+ryzen actually performs better than 480+ryzen and 1060+intel in a bunch of games.

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>>59951251
That's just wrong.

Now please tell me the 6900k did worse in gaming than a 1800X when this review was made 20 days ago.

>>59951425
There's nothing to argue here, the 6900k is close to the 7700k's performance in games unless you count ARMA and Fallout, the stock 1060 is slightly faster than a 480 too, so by all accounts the 6900k system should be faster, but it's slower, and not 1% slower.

>>59951425
>>59951473
AMD GPUs gimping Intel CPUs, why am I not surprised by this shitty company

>>59951494
>I will reverse meme (you)!

only /g/ would be dumb enough to think nvidia would purposefully make their own products look bad out of spite.

>>59951509
that's not what everyone is laughing at

>>59950323
No problem, building it after Intel releases Coffee Lake. Its gonna be fun.

>>59950323
several are announced though.

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>>59950094
Lol, well at least we can put an end to the meme that Ryzen is better at 4k now.

Intel is still king in gaming

>>59951627
Yeah, by less than 10% compared to a $220 CPU.

>>59951627
Enjoy the stuttering.

>>59951649
Maximum performance is worth every penny, real gamers would even pay 100% more for 5% more performance, that's what real gamers are.

>>59951657
Stuttering?

I'm not buying a ryzen cpu m8

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>>59950094
Nice novidya gimp drivers

>>59951676
__US_THE_GAMERS__


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDTPPM9qsc

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>((gayman nexus))
Oy!

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>>59951676
>real gamers

>>59950094
>1800X and 1600X
>1700

Gayman Nexus confirmed for diehard Intel shills

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>>59951676

>>59951689
That was his point.

>>59951676
Pretty sure real GAYMURS would prefer smooth gayming over stutters.

>>59951760
I'm not buying stutterryzen though

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meanwhile

>>59951794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qswrFCb5sMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuQu-y0GnPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZcCqnE5mRw&t

Pick your poison

>SLI still shit
>4k still a memedream

Shocking.

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>>59951797
Meanwhile

>nvidia gpu used for benchmarks

lol not again, their drivers are shit and can't take proper advantage of ryzen yet

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>>59951829
>utilization of cpu cores in a game engine happens on the gpu driver side

AMDrone intellect everyone

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>>59951825
>using youtube screenshots as a source

>>59951811
d-d-delet

>>59951852
>greentexting something makes it true!

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>nvidia

These fucking benchmarks are so all over the place, I don't even know what's FUD and what's legit.

Goddamn fuck this forsaken hobby and the people who seriously partake in it, they should all be rounded up and shot, together with their marketing clerk overlords.

>>59951811
>gaming at 1280x720 with a 7700k
0800-come-on-now

>>59951844
>>59951865

>>59951863
>ignoring the more credible evidence makes it go away

>>59951794
All Intel CPUs are stuttering pieces of shit, I'd rather buy an 1700X over 7700k even if it's just for gayming purposes.

>>59951865
>gpu utilization AMD 100%
>gpu utlilization Nvidia 52%
Dat AMD overhead, nice drivers lol

>>59951875
Test area and people testing it, some tester just like to stare at wall and sky for maximum fps

>>59951882
>it's more credible because it fits my narrative! All other benchmarks are made by le merchant boogyman!

>>59951883
We already know Ryzen stutters and has bad frametimes, you don't have to keep repeating it

>>59951811
This cements the fact that Intel is complete garbage trash even in gaymen.

There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7r4rogHc

>>59950094
>it's another "muh gaymes" shill thread
Sage and hide.

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>>59951811
>>59951930
Wait for Kaby Lake-X

>>59951930
>complete garbage
>>59950094
>the 7700k, completely trashes the 1800x , which is almost twice as expensive

Fanboys are truly funny

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>>59950094
Can we se same game on AMD cards pl0s? Because shitty drivers you know.

>>59951988
>7600k neck a neck with a 1800x
lol

>>59951960
Kaby lake-x wont fix this suttermess, it need dev write new code around those sutter just for intel. which only happen on esport game

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>>59951930
>>59951811
If I wanted stuttering I'd pick AMD

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>>59951975
>It's all a huge conspiracy, the stutters are not real

>>59952045
The are real, on AMD gpu's
>>59952043

>>59952043
Are you retarded, we talking about cpu

>>59952071
>poojeet mad at AMD's stuttering issues

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>>59952043
>GPU
Holy shit you're clinically retarded.

>>59952087
>>59952078

>>59952095
Just the fact that you had to change the goalpost reinforces the fact that Intel's architecture is a stuttering mess.

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>>59952110
I agree, Polaris is a stuttering mess

>>59952043
lol at 980ti and 780

>>59951811
Oh so it is actually a thing.

I remember when I was a kid playing cs1.6 on an intel pentium 4 board I used to get such stutters.
These things occured randomly but most of the time happened at the start of the round when someone popped in on my screen and started shooting at me.
By the time the stutter was "done" I was already dead most of the time.

Since I had no other explanation for it I convinced myself I'm just bad at this game and my brain "shuts off" for a split second everytime something's happening due to some weird information overload or something lol.

>>59951811
holy shit AMD is B U T T E R Y S M O O T H

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>>59952116
Yes, everybody knows Intel is a stuttering piece of shit.

>>59952130
Lol@ any AMD card on that chart

>>59952133
Sounds like you just had crappy cheap hardware

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>>59951930

>>59952160
Well yeah I obviously knew that even back then but I with the in-game fps counter I had well beyond the "minimum necessary" for smooth gameplay. Even on a self-hosted server with bots.

>>59952027
So Intel will remain a stuttering housefire for a very long time I guess.

>>59952198
Not as bad as Stutterlaris though

>>59952227
not really, gpu got driver to fix it. good luck getting driver fix for cpu

>>59952227
You're literally too retarded to make the distinction between CPU and GPU.

>>59952254
Drivers haven't fixed stutters on poolaris, and it has been out for ages so good luck with that

>>59952254
That guy is clinically retarded, he can't even tell the difference between CPU and GPU

>>59952277
>poojeet trying to shift the focus away from Stutterlaris

>>59950094
>>>>>>>>overwatch

>>59952287
Are you literraly to retarded to understand what an average means?

>>59952281
This is a thread about CPUs but of course a clinically retarded person would be unable to understand this.

>>59952043
kind interested now to see 580 frametimes tested on ryzen
100% sure would be lower

>>59951998
>what is GPU limit

>>59952298
Why are you interested in the results if you are already 100% sure?

>>59952295
I understand the reality of stuttering issues on AMD gpu's is a harsh reality for your to come to terms with.

Perhaps you will manage some day

>>59952294
not without context

it could mean "average framerate" or "aggregate score"

the screenshot is pointless and impertinent in this case

>>59952323
What do you think it means idiot

>>59950094
9-10% faster than a CPU 50% of its price


Go Intel

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>>59952314
>Intelfag is so anally devastated he changes the goalpost
Holy shit the butthurt is real, your retardation knows no bounds.

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>>59951918
>i know you are but what am i

>>59952314
I can go Ryzen + Nvidia if I want, what are you going to do about your Intel stuttering piece of shit of a CPU?

>>59952342
AMDrones have already shifted the goalpost from minimum/average/high framerates to frametimes and the meme surrounding it that Intel has problems with it.

Shifting it from CPU to GPU is well within the context of this discussion.

And well, AMD gpu's are a stuttering mess

>>59952341
CPUs matter little in gaming when you're GPU bottlecked.

>>59952354
I don't have to do anything about it since it's a meme.

What are you going to do about the abysmal mimimum and average framerates on Ryzen?

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>>59952357
>Shifting it from CPU to GPU is well within the context of this discussion
This is what clinically retarded people actually believe.

>>59952369
>I don't have to do anything about it since it's a meme
>reality is a meme

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>>59952377
You can say whatever you like, all it shows is your disappointment with AMD products, and rightfuly so

>>59952369
The same thing you're gonna do when the game freezes 3 times per minute on a delidlake, ignore it.

>>59952392
>cherrypicked benchmarks with outliers are reality.

Meanwhile you would dismiss every benchmark showing Ryzen to be behind as made by le evil merchant boogyman.

But I guess that's the reality of a fanboy

>>59952403
> freezes 3 times per minute on a delidlake
Let's see some evidence for that

>>59952408
you first >>59952423

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>>59952398
Good thing Intel will forever be a stuttering pile of shit and your shitposting won't change this fact. Stay mad.

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>>59952432
Okay, here
>>59950094
Now you
>>59952439
>poojeet still ranting about Intel memes, angry with his 480 in his hand, wondering why he bought that stuttering piece of shit

>>59952408
Keep denying reality.

>>59950094
1600/1800x same perf?

Guess 6 cores is optimal.

>>59952457
Says the clueless AMD fanboy

>>59952471
Cry more.

>>59952456
moving goalpost are we?
>>59952140

>>59952477
I didn't hear you over the AMD stuttering

>>59952485
He's just butthurt Intel is a stuttering piece of shit. Buyer's remorse most likely.

>>59952485
>pointing to an edited graph
LMAO

>>59952488
Of course you can't since your overheating corelet hits silky smooth 300ms every 20 seconds.

>>59952488
Yes, keep crying about how much of a stuttering piece of shit Intel is in gaymen.

>>59952485
Still waiting for your evidence

>>59952502
>corelet
>says the guy with a cpu that won't even pass 4.1ghz on air cooling
lmfao

>>59952511
Still can't hear you over AMD's stuttering

>>59952528
>>59952511

>>59952502
>a minor spike happens a few times


Wow its fucking nothing

>>59952528
you want moar hurtz you must increase the bipeline xDDD

moar bipeline moar hurtz

>>59952528
A lotta people tried watercooling too and they couldn't get past 4.1 lmao

>>59952556
Well yeah, Ryzen delivered in typical AMD fashion, it doesn't overclock for shit

>>59952498
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four/13

son, why would you lie about things that are easy to check?

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>>59951811
>>59951930
I knew I shouldn't have trusted a bunch of jews.

>>59952551
I'll take 8% less fps and far superior productivity perf at half the cost over a slideshow.

>>59952576
>Rx580 performs 1 to 2% better than 480
>draws 30% more power

Poolaris is fucking terrible

>>>/v/

>>59952576
Even then, how is 0,03 seconds under 60 fps stuttering?

This is stutttering

>>59952043

>>59952600
Its not terrible, it just sucks a bit too much power, performance is ok on it


I wonder how vega is turning out

I myself am sitting on 3.5gb of woodscrews.

>>59952582
Look at OP again, 84 vs 100 fps

Far superior

>>59952582
Gonna sell my i5 and buy Ryzen.
This is what I get for trusting jews.

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>>59950094

>>59952623
A bit? It draws 50 more watts and gives you 1 more fps on average. It's fucking shit

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>>59952637

>>59952624
>SLI

So delidlake's freezes weren't enough you're gonna add Nvidias ones into it too?

>>59952637
But anon, its a 580, the nvidia 580 was kinda shit too

its a cursed number, its not anyones fault.

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>>59952636

>>59952642
Fake shit

>>59952622
how many MS in one S?

>>59952642
LOL NO! 1070 is literally 100% faster than poolaris

>>59952678
wan tsouand

Someone post that rx480 vs 1060 on intel 7600k

Intelfags use their PC like it's a console? Really makes you think.

>>59952691
how many ms in 0.03 seconds?

>>59952678
so 0,03 seconds at 59 fps instead of 60 fps is stuttering?

AMDrones really grasping at straws here

>>59952690
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

>>59952671
typical intel shill response

>>59952708
aboot tree fiddy
30 thµ

>>59952710
"Under 60" means anything from 59.9 to 0.1 you stupid faggot

You're all retards, I'm buying a nvidia cpu

>>59952710
Can you blame them? Years of ass raping would leave me a stunted husk of a person too.

>>59952734
so
30=30 then >>59952043
fantastic A+

>>59952747
You don't have the money to pay $500 for 2013 atom performance

>>59952788
im not sure what your point is, i only answered your question about ms

>>59952839
my point is that 2x2=4

>>59952854
not if you count in drift then its something else

>>59952702
Don't go full retard.

The 1060 has driver problems with DX12 and not only exclusive with AMD, but also with Intel.

Rocket League would be the most prominent example, other than that the 1060 runs faster with both Intel and AMD CPUs than with a RX480.

>>59952642
I mean, my R9 290X gets 50fps on CQL 1440p ultra settings. Has AMD not advanced since the 290X?

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>>59953472
>their mid-range card beats high-end from the last generation while using less power

gee i guess they made no progress at all

>>59950094
>4.8 vs 4.1

MAKES ME THINK

>>59951676
>Maximum performance is worth every daddy's penny

>>59951612
Yeah and they're still nowhere to be found, the fuck is taking them so long?

>>59955032
Does it though? Or are you a complete retard instead? Ryzen doesn't do 4.8. It maxes out at around 4.1 and the 7700K overclock of 4.8 is also achievable without delidding. It's comparing two of the highest overclocks available for each CPU.

If you actually did think, you'd know that b

>>59950094
>500$ and 200$ AMD chip being compared against 300$ Intel chip
lmao how can reviewers fuck up so much?

>10nm slower than 14nm

>>59950267
that makes me wonder. I am new to pc's and the one thing I was looking into before I purchased a motherboard was how many power phases the board had. I wanted as many as possible with quality parts since the way I understood it, the more Phases there are the more stable the overclock is and the less burden is placed on each mosfet as they share the load and run cooler, reducing the likelihood of a housefire

And now that i see people buying cheapo Ryzen Motherboards to overclock their Ryzen CPUs... arent they over hyping the price component as they are buying Inferior quality motherboards.

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>>59950094
Frame timings or GTFO

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>>59951930
How can Intel ever recover?

>most expensive and mid range CPU have 1 fps margin
DEAD

>>59955074
No, but Ryzen can do 4.1 out of the box, and the 7700k flops at stock, which is what 90% of it's buyers will be running at. Use your fucking head.

>>59955208
basically amd aren't being jews and let the b350 have overclocking.

if it was intel, oc would be only possible on x370 boards and only ryzen x cpu would have unlocked multipliers

>>59950094
I bet they used some slow shit RAM to gimp Ryzen.

>>59955208
Because of a combination of ryzen being very power efficient and having a very limited head room for oc you can reach the OC limit of a cup with modest power delivery configs. A x370 may have the power delivery to put out 200A draw but you'd never utilize it in non competition settings

>>59955417
i probably presented my thought ineffectively.

on an Intel Platform if I want to save money the non Z or X motherboards can easily be picked up for under 100usd. If overclocking doesnt interest you, the number of power phases really doesnt matter.

But if you plan to overclock it matters. And I am personally unsure of the Quality of the Ryzen Boards selling for the same price as the NonOverlcoking Intel Boards, since they are likely using similar components and might not be great for overclocking.

If this analogy works, the Tires of a Race car = Power Phases & Quality of Components, and Engine = GPU & CPU. If you plan to push your engine to the limit and go over 200mph, you better make sure your Tires are Rated for that Speed. If they arent, they will fall apart.

i wonder if AMDs Inexpensive Overclocking motherboards are going to be pushed to hard by XFR or User Overclocks shortening the Life of the motherboard and forcing the user to make Additional purchases to replace failed hardware because they didnt spend the time to buy Quality parts to start with. Spending more in the Long run than Intel Users....