Intel's next monster 24-core chip is made for high-performance

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>>59943818
NOOOOOOOO

what the fuck can you even do with 24 cores

compile gentoo in 15 seconds?

>>59943818
itll be $2000

>>59943818
Nice housefire

>>59943818
>The 24-core chip will go, in many cases, into monster performer four- to eight-socket servers. An eight-socket system could have up to 192 cores, with support for up to 24TB of memory.

>In a data sheet, Intel estimated a 192-core system with 2TB of memory and two hard drives to be priced at about US$165,000.

GOOD GOYS

>>59943882
>The 24-core Xeon E7-8890 v4 has a frequency of 2.2GHz, 60MB of cache, and draws 165 watts of power.

>>59943894
>165 watts

This is almost FX-9590 levels of housefire

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>165W

>>59943875
Try $5000

>>59943894

>The 24-core Xeon E7-8890 v4 has a frequency of 2.2GHz, 60MB of cache, and draws 165 watts of power.
>ADD MOAR RING BUSES :DDD

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>>59943818
>server shit

oh wow it's not like naples is a thing

>>59943894
Kek kek
t. IBM,ORACLE

Naples has more cores, more cache, more Hz.
not sure about max memory or TDP.

More memory and lower TDP

>2.2GHz

Will gaymen bash it for shit single thread performance?

>>59943818
there's no way this will have any household use. It'll only be for servers

>>59943818
Naples is going to run circles around this shitshow.

>>59943818
SURE.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3158919/servers/amd-talks-tough-as-it-drums-up-support-for-32-core-zen-server-chip.html

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ur fuqd dood

>>59943872
Server stuff
Our SQL servers have 40+ cores each

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>28-core chip
>2.50 GHz
>205W

Looks like Intel was nostalgic for the days of Netburst.

Now intel is playing MOAR CORES too ? Plus Housefire

>>59944128
>SQL
Grandpa, stop living in the past and switch to CouchDB

>>59944177
They're server chips. Of course /g/ doesn't actually know anything about enterprise hardware.

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>>59944112
wonder if this thing or Naples will be cooler or hotter than erupting Vesuvius

>>59944185
>CouchDB
>Other features include document-level ACID semantics with eventual consistency,
>eventual consistency
>eventual
>in a database
Enjoy your silent data loss every time an outage happens

>>59944199
Naples is actually rumored to run quite cool. Ryzen already has lower TDP than Intels i7

>>59944211
Fuck me thats almost as bad as Mongodb

>2012
AHAAHAHAHAHAH MOAR COARZ KEKS GOT BTFO TOP LEL
>2017
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA 224 COARZ AMD ABSOLUTELYY BTFO WE GOT
>mfw they arent even top coarz

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WHY IN GOD'S NAME ISN'T THERE A DUAL CORE 6 GHz WHATEVER INSTEAD OF THIS STUPID COARZ BULLSHIT

FUCK INTEL
FUCK AMD

ANYONE WHO BUYS THIS SHIT IS A FUCKING RETARD

>>59944185
>this absolute trash piece of shit is better just because it's newer
fuck you

>>59943818
>Ryzen is FINISHED
>Actually 10 times the price

oh ok i hat amd now.

>>59944398
>6 million niggacores.jpg

checked hard

>>59944432
more cores has always been better
there's a reason they didn't stop at 2

>>59944432
>DUAL CORE 6 GHz
Because the laws of physics *blocks ur path*

>>59943894
>192 cores

that's as many as a 550Ti

>>59944225
Ryzen was designed as a server CPU architecture first. The desktop version is really just scaled down enormously. Naples is going to be amazing in the server room.

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>>59944516
Yeah except they're not in 32 wide two way MIMD cells, and they can do more than simplistic math operations.

>>59944064
If intel comes out and tries to advertise as a gaming CPU then yes.

>>59944432
What are you even doing here man? You don't know anything about this, clearly, so why are you posting in a thread about a topic you know nothing of?

>>59944508
Yeah but can you explain why they stopped at 4?

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one core for every hour in each day sitting at my computer

>>59944955
get ready to be shilled by ryzen fanboys

>>59944955
Diminishing returns. For average desktop usage, It's always better to have few strong cores than gorillion weak ones.Jusk look at iphones.

>>59943818
>june 6, 2016

>>59943875
>>59943946
Try $7174, rather. Source: http://ark.intel.com/products/93790

Why bother with 24 cores when less than half of programs today still don't use more than 1 core?

>>59944955
Software dev hasn't caught up. Thanks to the C family, multithreading is harder than it needs to be. Concurrency is a bitch of a programming model for most pajeets too. When Java does nice concurrency you'll see it used more often

>>59943928
>>59943902
It is only about 7 W per core, though.

>>59945135
Can you retards at least keep to shitposting in desktop CPU threads?

>>59943818
wtf i love intel now

>>59944432
WHERE IS THE 128-BIT OR 256-BIT CONSUMER DESKTOP PROCESSORS ??

FUCK EVERYONE !!!

ANYONE WHO BUYS THIS SHIT IS A FUCKING RETARD

>>59943818
Only 24 cores? It's 2017.

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>>59943818
MOAR COREZ, MOAR JIGGAHURZ, MOAR BIBELINES

Can anyone explain to me why not all processes aren't multi-threaded yet?

>>59945371
what do you need multi threads for? stupid goy
you'll get what we- I mean they put out

>>59945142
All adds up to one giant house fire, anon.

>>59945449
It's certainly better than the corresponding 285 W for running enough Ryzens to get the same core count, however.

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>>59945316

>Jun 6, 2016

Intel is releasing a 28 core with with Skylake-EX in Q2, and AMD is releasing a 32 core with Naples in Q2

See this thread for some actual discussion

>>59939902

>>59945471
If you think Ryzen draws 95W at only ~2.2 GHz, you're out of your mind.

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>>59945471
>>59945471
You do realize that an 8-core ryzen chip is capable of only using ~45 watts under load, right?

That's like 12 intel 2GHz cores right there so 95W for a 16-core ryzen @ 3GHz.

Things don't look good for intel desu. This is coming from a harcore intelfag that's about to sell his 7700K and get a 1700X btw.

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>>59945586
>only 3300Mhz
The 32 core server chips will top out at 2.7-3.0

>>59945586
>That's like 12 intel 2GHz cores
How retarded are you, exactly?

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>>59945586
>This is coming from a harcore intelfag that's about to sell his 7700K and get a 1700X btw.

Do it, I just bought a 1700x. The thing that sold me on AMD was when I figured out that the reason my 3570k's temps were so trash was because of the TIM meme.

I delidded it, and put new paste on, my temps dropped literally 20C.

fuck intel they can rot.

"oy vey goim the 14nm process prevents us from soldering the chips"
ryzen is 14nm

>>59945616
ryzen ≈ kabylake
1 ryzen core @ 4GHz = 2 kabylake cores @ 2GHz

8 ryzen core @ 3GHz = 12 kabylake cores @ 2GHz

>>59944432
Dual core at 6GHz has the same performance as a quad core at 3GHz in threaded workloads while taking like 400% of the power. Minimum.

>>59945499
This is a pretty good thread, people should really read this if they're interested in server hardware.


https://warosu.org/g/thread/S59249128
https://warosu.org/g/thread/59226509

These are also very good (long) threads talking about enterprise and server.

>>59945671
This one too

https://warosu.org/g/thread/S59227118#p59227118

>>59943946

10,000+

>>59945671
>>https://warosu.org/g/thread/S59249128
Can you tell me at what point this thread becomes interesting and not endlessly arguing with some braindead shill about how important MUH CLOCKS are

>>59945781
From when the hyperlinks get posted

https://warosu.org/g/thread/S59249128#p59249660

PRetty much everything after there is smooth sailing, sans the 15 dedicated shitposting gaymer posts.

>>59943872
>what the fuck can you even do with 24 cores
Less than you can do with 32 cores
AYYMD is back in the game folks

>>59945034
>desktop use
>iPhones

>>59943902
Skylake-SP (server) goes up to 205 W TDP.

>>59943818
>this guy slaps an intel 24 core processor on your gf ass
>what do you do ?

Hmmm. I'd say "oh yaweh ! good goy !".

>>59944432
>WHY IN GOD'S NAME ISN'T THERE A DUAL CORE 6 GHz WHATEVER INSTEAD OF THIS STUPID COARZ BULLSHIT
Have you ever heard about things like "physical limit"?

>>59943818

bet it still can't get 90fps with hairworks on in witcher at 4k

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>>59943818
AMD is going to do the same for 1/3 the price.

no motherboards could even fit that fucking retarded thing and if they could it would be so expensive no one would buy it

>>59946208
Amada a cute

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>>59946208
They already did

>>59946208
>>59946247
>vaporware

Ryzen was already like 2 years behind schedule, and can't even beat Intel cpus that have been on the same process node already for years.

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>>59945049

>$7174

>>59946208
With more cores and a lower TDP.

>>59946284
>pulling shit out of your ass
Into le trash with your uninformed opinions.

>>59946367
>>59946247
>take two 1800x's
>weld them together
>underclock and undervolt them

woooooooooow its so innovative

>>59946394
Welcome to good architectures

>>59946394
top kek, is this what intelfags actually believe?

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>>59946394

OY VEY!

>>59946284
>Ryzen was already like 2 years behind schedule
I see you know absolutely nothing about CPU architecture development cycles.

Why don't you tell me how long it took for Intel to get Core to the market once they started working on it?

>>59946394
Yes, Ryzen has nearly perfect scaling with increased core counts.

>>59946455
Its achilles heel is its voltage scaling with frequency, the sweet spot is like 2.1GHz to 3.3 GHz and Naples will fall perfectly in there.

>>59946284
>>59946394
Excellent goy.

>>59946491

It's okay, Shlomo. You'll get us back when you post another BLACKED thread on /b/.

>>59943818
>god damnit, Naples beat the fuck out of us
>>what do we do???
>how about a giant novelty processor?
Wew. THIS is their solution to Naples? Just make a jumbo fucking processor? inb4 8k processor and 3k mobo and jumbo sized RAM to go with it why the fuck not.

(((>>59946491)))

>>59946491
Listen to
>>59946508
Jews are peaceful beings; they'd never hurt anything or anyone.

>>59946512
Intel already charge $7,000 for 4c/8t Xeons clocked at 3.3GHz they are beyond any form of shame

And here I am still with a Core 2 Duo...

beat AMD at their own game.

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>>59946491
OY VEY

>>59946547
Except for the fact that it costs exponentially more.... Because shekels.

>>59946528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIM4ShGBVc

>>59946533
huh?
the 3.5 GHz 4c8t E5-2637v4 goes for about $1k.
still a ripoff, but not $7k either.

>>59946640
https://ark.intel.com/products/93791/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8893-v4-60M-Cache-3_20-GHz

>>59946284
>Ryzen was already like 2 years behind schedule,

nah, it was about ~6 months behind schedule. zen wasn't even taped out 2 years ago.

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>>59946671
I'm actually confused how the fuck that part has a 140W TDP.

>>59946671
>(((conflict free)))

>>59946702
Not to mention the 10c/20t part that is identical in price, cache, TDP, everything but clockspeeds.

>>59946716
https://ark.intel.com/compare/93791,93795

Pardon me, the 10c actually has 165W TDP. Still the same price though.

>>59944771
Which AMD never did btw, but mouth breathers out there only read "performance" as "gud for gaems"

>>59946737
The reason these shits are so expensive is because the core architecture is just straight outdated at this point. If they want to go more than 8 cores there's a huge chance for fucking everything up

zen they can just weave two four cores together which is much more sensible

zen is like a V8 engine and intlel is like a straight 8

>>59946780
I really don't know why Intel, with their resources, didn't develop a brand new architecture while doing all these refreshes of the Core architecture over the years. Even if they felt AMD weren't giving them competition, surely they would have seen they were approaching the limits of the architecture with Haswell.

Maybe they do have something in the works because everything from Sandy Bridge onward has been embarrassing as far as architectural improvements are concerned.

>>59946533
>>59946671
>>59946702
>>59946716
>>59946737
It's $7k because it's a 60MB L3 part; i.e., the max-sized Broadwell die with absolutely all of its cache intact and sitting on the rings but only 4 of 24 cores actually used.

Some workloads really want max L3/core, but they're few and far between.

The TDP is likely stupidly overinflated though.

>>59946799
They have a new architecture in the pipeline but it won't be out by 2020 at the earliest

>>59946818
Can't see it being good when Intel management is this garbage and they likely won't have many good engineers on board who are capable of a good ground up architecture, we may just see P3 again.

They're already running themselves into the ground with these terrible acquisitions.

>>59945273
>The Sega Dreamcast was 128-bit
>PC's are still stuck at 64-bit
What went wrong?

>>59946818
2022, and it'll run every current software and OS like garbage in compatibility mode. It's Itanic 2.0.

>>59946863
Sounds like they bit off more than they could chew.

>>59946870
>2022

JUST

guess we're back to AMDominance for a while

>>59946863
weren't sony actually working on a real 128-bit system at the time? what happened to that

>>59946863
Dreamcast was not 128-bit, unless you use herp derp logic like the width of the SIMD unit equals bitness. In that case, Pentium 3 was also 128 bit since it supported SIMD.

On the other hand, N64 was actually 64-bit.

>>59946919
i'm pretty sure he was joking, the dreamcast was 32-bit. the graphics processor was 128-bit

>>59946837
Don't call if P3, call it by it's proper name, 80686

>>59946799
making brand new architecture is a risk, why bother if you got the lead

>>59947050
Because, as I said, they're approaching the limit of their current architecture and they need something to follow up the Core architecture.

Besides, it's not like Intel are beyond wasting money.

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>>59943818
will it mean even cheaper VPS plans?

>>59943818
>http://www.pcworld.com/article/3079510/hardware/intels-next-monster-24-core-chip-is-made-for-high-performance-computers.html


>June 6th 2016

at least try to b8 with articles this year

>>59943894
Large companies wipe their asses with $165k especially when software licensing jews harder anyway, hardware costs aren't shit

>>59946394

well yeah except its 4 of them, but it'll likely either be two 16 core CCX or 4 8 core CCX. The reason AMD can do that is because they did the legwork by engineering the infinity fabric and thus can make modular dies. Intel can't do that, they have to design it from scratch (for the most part, same architecture principals, but every trace needs to be re-routed and re-optimized for manufacturing.)

>>59947187
I don't believe 8 core CCX exist, Naples will be 4 CCXs on a die. It's all Zeppelin after all.

>>59947080
nah, that thing is already on the market, and is a cool $5000 a pop.

>>59947202
>$5000
you're dreaming, it's $9000

>>59946799
>>59947050
>>59947076
They actually pumped out multiple new architectures, none of them were high performance x86-64 cores

>>59947076
Who know maybe they did new architecture and perform worse then Haswell, they just give up on that notion haswell can be beat

>>59943872
>>59943872
>>59944084
Are you kidding me? Imagine what you could do in Dwarf Fortress

>>59945049
Oh shit, rip intel

>>59947245
Are you serious? Imagine on how many boards can you shitpost in how many threads can you post smug anime girls. The possibilities are endless.

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>>59943818
So this garbage is supposed to compete with Naples or what?

Literally DOA.

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>>59943818
>24 cores

>>59947260
kek

>>59947245
Dorf Fort is single threaded

For fucks sake it only just got ported to 64 bit as well.

Its like Intel and AMD swapped strategies.

Intel is a joke now

>>59947362
Still better than paradox games which are still 32bit. Seriously how the fuck can you make a grand strategy game in 32bit, no wonder their latest games suck so much.

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>>59943846
>AMD offers 8-Core for $330 that rivals Intel's $1050 chip
>Intel offers 24-Core chip (probably for an exorbitant price)
>LOL AMD BTFO
I thought more than 4 cores was a meme?

>>59947442
Can I figuratively kill myself instead?

>>59947213
whoops, I was thinking of their 18 core chip.

>>59947194
that's kinda what I figured, since they seem to have only designed that 4 core CCX so far with ryzen, they probably took the approach of making only the one CCX design but designing the christ out of it so they wouldn't have to fuck with what works.

In that case its eight quad core CCXs, seeing as it'll also have eight channel memory, they probably just have each CCX allocated a memory channel too.

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>>59943818

>>59943818
Kek, poor corelets, Naples is gonna have 32 cores

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>>59947455
No no see, there are pinnacles that AMD can never reach, like, 2 cores, 4 cores, 10 cores, 14 cores, 15 cores, 18 cores, 20 cores, 22 cores, 26 cores, 28 cores. Anything except those core counts are total shit and you should never buy no matter what.

>>59946702
it's 140w TDP to make sure systems engineers don't try to fuck it over on cooling then bitch about them dieing too fast. Every other chip on the same die is 140 so it's 140 too because fuck you.

>>59947362
Why can't Toady into multi-threading?
Even I can do it, and I don't have nearly as much autism or a Harvard education.

>>59948008
dammit anon, he's a mathematician, not a programmer

>>59947731

>pinnacles

>>59948040
It's not even hard though.
It took me like 10 minutes to get a rough understanding of it.

Even just adding in a few places that use multi-threading could save so many dorfs from fps death.

>>59948008
His code is some massive pile of spaghetti that'd basically require a rewrite to get threading worked in.
Threading is hard enough when you are starting from scratch.

>>59946702
The TDP is not how much power it uses, it's a rating of how much cooling it needs.

>>59948230
And what is heat production directly related to?

>>59943949
Imagine if that shit was in an 8 core motherboard.
Wew goddamn you can't even run that shit in your house without special wiring

>>59948246
The important word was 'rating', instead of 'measurement'.
If the difference escapes you, consider getting a GED.

>>59948283
8 socket*

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>>59948284
ok

>>59943928

Just take this into consideration:

I have a machine with a Pentium D 950 in it. Two cores (actually two complete P4's), 130W.

This thing has 24 cores and is running 165W. Intel has come a long way since the days of Pentium D space heaters.

>>59948317
As you can see, the rating of the TDP is based on what it should be cooled with.
One of these factors is the amount of power it actually uses, or to be more accurately, the curve of power use verses utilization.

Intel scientists:
>"we can't create a better architecture cpu for faster performance, b0ss... what do?"
>"oh then just add more cores"

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>>59943882
>>59943894
>>59943950
>>59943959
>>59944089
>>59944486
>>59947278
>>59947700
>>59947705
SHUT UP

>>59943818

I mean... AMD has been sitting at 16 cores for, what... 6 years now? WTF have they been doing all this time?

NetBurst 2.0

>>59944955
Because their general consumer base is either gamers or content creator, which you only need 4 cores for.

>>59944955
Ask a statistician.

>>59945643
>"oy vey goim the 14nm process prevents us from soldering the chips"
>ryzen is 14nm
so is broadwell-e and they're soldered

but only the goodest goyim can afford that reward

>>59943818
>the cheapest chip is probably gonna be like 1.5k$

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>>59943882
>>59943902
>>59943928
>>59944160
>>59944177
>>59945228
>>59945316
>>59946702
>>59948398

>>59943818
price tag only 1k per core
>ryzen is finished

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>>59945643
Just wait for Kaby Lake-X

>>59946640
>2637
2 sockets max, the 4 and 8 socket versions will cost far more because of the extra QPI links or whatever

I bet they already have up to 128 core chips right now but just want to control the market, sacrificing technological gaps going into freemason territory with this shit.

>>59943818
The 22 core, 44 thread one has been out for a while already and it was raping every CPU out there already.

>>59949141
link test desu

>>59946394
If it's so easy why doesn't Intel do it? are their technicians retarded?

>>59943818
>345W TDP

>>59946863
To figure out the answer you first need to figure out how you are defining bit-width.
1. Width of the integer registers
2. Number of (memory address) bits in a standard pointer
3. Width of your data bus
4. Width of your vector registers

The first two options tend to be how PC chips are defined these days. "64-bit" chips mainly differ from their "32-bit" counterparts in that they can use 64-bit pointers for addressing large quantities of memory. They also can handle a full 64-bit integer in a single register, allowing them to easily deal with integer values with a range larger than 4-billion (32-bit chips can do this as well, it's just slower and uses more than one register).

The width of the data bus is an older definition, it was quite common back in the 8 and 16-bit days, and what made the Nintendo 64 "64-bit". By this definition the Intel Pentium was the first "64-bit" x86 CPU. This isn't relevant anymore with the move to serialized databuses (fast and narrow vs. parallel bus design of wide but slow), though you do sometimes see it with video cards, where they refer to it's bits according to the width of the vector registers, our 4th option above. Note that these two bitness definitions are not linked or mutually exclusive.

Video cards tend to execute the same instruction on many pieces of data in succession. As such they are better served by more of a vector processor design approach when compared to standard (scalar) CPUs which tend to only execute an instruction on one or two pieces of data. Here a 128-bit vector can, for example, allow you to pack 4 chunks of 32-bit data into one register and run a single instruction on all 4 chunks. Note that this sort of thing DOES exist in the PC world as well in the form of SSE2.
They aren't always as efficient at this sort of thing as a GPU, but that's mainly because a GPU is more application-specific.

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>>59943818
>Ryzen is FINISHED
No, Its not. What are you STUPID or what?

>>59949563
8 core $1400 for the processor?!>!>>! are you stupid?

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>>59946237
very

>>59945616
Looks like he's less retarded than you.

>>59945974
BTFO intel is ruined unless they make their cpus cheaper there is no reason to buy an i5 or really an i7 anymore with ryzen.

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MAKE MOAR CORES

I wonder how the gaming benchmarks on this thing will look.

>>59949962
This isn't meant for gaming.

>>59944185
> Hipster technology
You deploy production website written in Ruby in a Docker while discussing Agile during asssharing sessions, am I right?

when they say theses chips will be used for servers, do they really mean they will be used for remote cloud computing? when i think server, i think data storage, but i cant see needing 24 TB Ram for that

>high performance computers

sooo... gaming rigs? 60+ fps in gta IV here I come!!!

>>59944432
Same reason they don't make cars that rev past 11000 RPM. Its stupid and causes undue stress when you could just have more cylinders to achieve the same job.

>>59950117
AMDshitter detected
"It's not for gaming"
Then it's useless, fucking amd poors

>>59950427
>24 cores
>gayming
You're clinically retarded.

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>>59948430
>content creator, which you only need 4 cores for

excuse me what

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>>59950733
>Unironically arguing for the return of NetBurst and Longer Bipeline

Consider suicide, retard.

>>59944955
Amdahls law.

>>59947455
well AMD poured a shitton of money into shilling muh cores ever since Bulldozer. now they did a very heavy second push.

so Intel could use the same tactics (pay reviewers, shitpost, pay shills), or just simply release a CPU that will generate profit and simply outdo AMD.

>>59949585
But it has ECC!

Oh wait...

>>59948430
games are starting to move past 4 cores, content want as many fucking cores as possible

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>>59943818
MORE CORES


>faggots need to improve single thread performance instead, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>59950850
Applies only to one task being parallelized.

>>59950856

And we all see how well all those cores worked for 'future proofing' the AMD chips vs Intel's 4c/4t chips.

>>59951565
Those Bulldozer "cores" aren't really very comparable to Intel's cores, though.

>>59951530
/v/ pls go and stay go

>>59951422
Theres that and there's the fuck that the average games has a fuckton of bloat running in the background running alongside their game.

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>>59950856
>could

>>59943818
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, THAT THING IS THE SIZE OF A SEMI

I lived to see the day where intel went full retard a third time in its history...

...and this is just the start. we're in for a wild ride of hilarity and absurdity, so strap in and strap-on.

>>59946394
that is exactly what they did with
>Intel 24 core MONSTER
and it's still shit compared to the Zen solution

>>59943818
>intlel
>servers
It will always be shit.

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>>59943818
>That size
Where were you when Intel became IBM?

>>59952052
Leak to real details on Zen solutions? Any links to partners committing to releasing servers with it this year?

>>59953039
>The company had a 99.2 percent market share in servers in 2015


Truly such shit.

>>59953215
>99.2% marketshare with no competition
What an achievement, congratulations Intel.

>>59946799
they're too busy pumping money into muh diversity programs.

>>59946236
What is the enterprise server market?

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>>59953138
And yet, it's not nearly as powerful as power8