Digital Border Searches

>>59929767
i have nothing to hide you wall jumper

>>59929767
I would ask for a warrant from a judge. They can't detain you for longer than 48 hours without one. If they obtain one I will tell them I no longer remember my password and that I have been unable to login myself. They could not prove me guilty in the court of law. It would be a huge hassle, but I don't care.

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>>59929779
We have just found some images which we suspect to be child pornography, please come with me. (applies to Canada/UK/ANZAC)

>>59929793
Your devices would almost certainly be confiscated and sent to forensics.

>>59929767
I would go back to my own country because i like having freedom.

Why the fuck did i travel to a police state anyway in the first place?

>>59929815
Thing is, this applies if I want to leave or return to my own country.

I have a short paragraph for my encrypted drive, then another login password, then a keychain password, and my social media accounts are just psuedonyms i use to follow nasa and keep in touch.

>>59929767
I'd give it to him.

#1. The laptop is just a generic company issued POS that's basically Windows + Office and no pre-installed software. The login is Administrator, no password. There's nothing on it.

#2. VPN bitch. I can remotely connect to a corporate VPN to get access to what I need and run remote apps. Everything is stored in the cloud. The way the law is written I cannot be compelled to reveal this info. It is a trade secret. Connection info does not need to be saved anywhere. Client can be downloaded after I get to my destination.

#3. Fuck social media. I am anti social. You can have my worthless Facebook page. Haven't posted there in 5 years. I'm not on LinkedIn.

#4. Mobile is a pre-paid. Just for this trip. Have fun with it buddy.

My job can be done without storing tons of sensitive shit on a laptop or device that I care about.

Also border nazis better get a good THz scan of my nutsack. Waxed it just for them.

>>59929801
go ahead. i have nothing to hide.

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>>59929843

>>59929767
/g/ answer: Never fuck the police11!!!11
Reality: H-here we go sir am I g-going to be detained.

>>59929847
You have been found guilty of possessing pictures of anime girls. Enjoy your cell.

Literally nothing, I won't tell them shit and spend the next 5-10 years in Guantanamo bay until I'm stabbed to death by a former terrorist turned country music star

>>59929809
Good for them. I have full disk encryption with an extremely secure randomly generated password.

>>59929847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltdgSEPPCZs

>>59929893
Are your devices expensive? Would it suck to not have them for 6-12 months?

>>59929877
False. Kill yourself.

>>59929911
Yeah it would suck. Not to mention the fact that I would need to replace all my devices afterwards since they could no longer be trusted not to have hardware level back doors. However, having to give up my freedom would suck even more.

>>59929908
Whoever did the audio for that video needs to be shot.

>What have done to prepare for this situation?
i didn't take anything over the border but the basics and just accessed my things at home remotely

>>59929767
this is part of my conundrum, there's two solutions to this
>windows partitions/disk alongside encrypted linux
>change bios default near border entry
>if they want to see it let them, it deletes the linux partition and 0s out select information upon windows bootup, space is spoofed and disks are hidden to make it look like no other OS exists to the untrained eye
>just rsync linux back over across the border

obviously the problem remains that deeper investigation can show shit and they've got evidence of deleting infromation

the second option is something I'm struggling to find more information on. There are bootloaders that exist that make this more transparent, hidden and hide your tracks better but the only people I know that use them are autists that dont share information

Just upload any personal data/files to a server/cloud and factory reset your phone before going through any customs.

Once you are through, redownload that shit and get on with your day. Physical checks are stupid.

For laptops, just have a second barebones HDD and swap that in before the trip. Download anything you need while on site and delete again before passing through.

Put your normal HDD back in once home.

>>59929874
/thread

I love all these nothing to hide faggots. When they start scanning your brain don't say I didn't warn you.

>>59929957
Just use a second clean hdd when traveling. Make sure any necessary stuff is accessible remotely. Have nothing actually on the "travel" hdd. Problem solved.

>>59929767
What do they do if you genuinely forget your social media passwords? The only social media I use is LinkedIn, which I barely even use so I just have my password saved in my browser on my PC.

>>59930043
The social media stuff only seems to be at US customs at the moment and particularly if you are muslim. If they don't believe you that you don't remember or don't have any social media accounts, then the worst that will happen is that you will be denied entry. If you are a citizen, you won't be denied entry, but you will probably be detained for a few hours and your devices will almost certainly be confiscated for several months.

Basically refusing to cooperate in any way will probably just result in you getting detained/turned away or your shit confiscated. It's better to just unlock the devices and have nothing on them.

>If you don't have facebook or abandoned it years ago you're a suspicious person
I hate normalfags so much.

>>59929767
Jokes on them, I only have a cheap Mp3 player with roughly 4 hours of super eurobeat.

I need to get my mobile phone and my computer replaced.

>>59930043
You'll have to go through the process of the "I forgot password" feature, then opening your email, and making a new password.

>>59930144
It's better to claim you don't have any social media accounts and delete the applications from your phone.

>>59929824
>I have a short paragraph for my encrypted drive
A short paragraph as passphrase? Did you memorized it completely? It must be pretty lenthgy each time you reboot

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>>59930165
>inb4 it's richard stallman copypasta

GNU/Thanks

>"Here's $50 you low wage failure at life, fuck off and don't touch my laptop with your grubby dickcheese mitts."
>"Welcome to America!"

>>59930165
Not him, but I memorized a long randomly generated password in blocks. Each time I memorize a block of characters i add it to my existing password. Muscle memory makes it pretty easy.

A. Boot in to Windows
B. Don't start X
Attendant probably can't computer good so they won't be able to find anything

Laptop is fully encrypted at the bios level and drive. Use an iPhone 6. Would just tell them to keep the devices.

Normally would tell them that they would have to go through my company's lawyer to get access to the devices as I'm not allowed to give out my passwords. However I work for myself now.

I have some patient info on my laptop for my work. I also have worked on NSA and defense projects in the past but they weren't classified, but it was fun to tell customs that I work for the office of the director of national intelligence.

I don't use social media.

Seriously just tell them to keep the equipment.

>>59930153
This is what I'm worried about: >>59930112

>>59930222
Isn't startx a linux thing?

Most I'd do is boot it up to show them it not a bomb otherwise they're not getting shit from me
Which generally is the case so no worries

>Travel to murrica from yurop
>Leave shitty laptop in hold baggage
>Find note from TSA that they searched my bags because suspicious X-ray contents
>Check browser history
>Facebook.com > facebook password recovery > gmail > gmail password recovery
>turn on phone
>text asking me to reset gmail password
>Still got in without a search, later left without a search

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>>59929927
Sentence extended for false testimony and disrespect to an officer. Visting 4chan, a notorious hacker website, indicates consent and willingness to view and store lolis hidden within the depths of browser history.

>>59929893

>He thinks a filesystem capable of encryption exists that isn't backdoored by the NSA

>>59930299
sure thing you retarded memer

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>You are standing in front of a border security agent
bich no i ain
>and have just been asked to hand over your login information for both your phone and laptop
lol hoo giv an shit
i ain got sercts

If you really care about your privacy, the best thing is to have sterile devices which are totally open.

Let them search your empty devices. Having an empty device is no grounds for further action.

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>>59930352
>Put laptops in bin.
>Huge TSA lesbian screams at me and picks up my laptop.
>You have to put these in separate bins.

It's shit like this that is why I don't intend to bring my laptop overseas, at least not with any of my data on it. I could always back up everything, DBAN the disk, reinstall Ubuntu, and hook up my backed up files to a home FTP server if I need those files overseas.

Also, I have no social media accounts.

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>>59930369
lol hoo giv shet
im kno mi lep tups

What is the point of doing shit like this? It just makes the already tedious task of getting on a plane even longer for everyone (even those who don't get """randomly""" selected, since it takes time away from TSA agents who could be working people through the line). If I were a terrorist, I could just wipe all my devices before boarding, and avoid tweeting about terrorist things. Searching people for weapons/bombs should be more than enough.

>>59930392
I wasn't actually replying to you I was just too lazy to delete the numbers.

>>59930248
Yes. I was giving two independent suggestions on what to do.

>>59930398
security theater
TSA has literally never, NEVER ever stopped a terrorist plot in the act.
Remember all those foiled plots?
They were already on the plane, IN THE AIR.

The FBI actually has a proven record of stopping terror plots, TSA has never stopped anyone.

>>59930368
I feel like wiped devices that are unlocked/no password with physical signs of use would be a red flag. Not enough to get you detained but enough to make a note in some database.

>>59930512
>there have never been any successful terrorist attacks that were stopped by the TSA

No shit. Terrorists attempt to infiltrate our nation and airlines hundreds of times per day and they are repeatedly foiled by the strict and effective procedures that we have put in place to prevent them. You don't know about them precisely because of how effective the TSA is at doing its job.

I wish Trump would disband the TSA for one day so you could see how easily this country can descend into hell.

>>59930565
>this is what Americans actually believe

>>59930565
Everything was fine before 9/11. Everyone survived before it and we all can survive after it.

>>59930565
You realize that the TSA regularly fails it's own tests and has done since it's creation.

>>59929877
What actual law has been violated? I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to arrest someone without at least accusing them of a specific crime. Furthermore, I obtained these images from fairly well known websites hosted in the United States, which have hosted these kinds of images for years. Why has no legal action been taken against them? After all, these sites host large numbers of these images, and are accessible to virtually anyone who goes online - if these images are indeed harmful and illegal, why then is enforcement effort directed against random individuals who possess only a few of these images and do not have any clear intent to distribute them, rather than the sites which possess large numbers of these images and do act as distributor?

>>59930299
If merely visiting 4chan constitutes a criminal offense, why have the owners of the site not been arrested?

>>59930303
What if you wrote the file system yourself?

>>59929767
Comply as while it's shitty, they have the power to refuse my entry into whichever country I'm visiting. Make sure you read that as power and not right.

>>59930606
They can have you detained for any reason till they find a crime or they let you go without your phone or laptop.

>>59930606
>without at least accusing them of a specific crime
resisting arrest
disorderly conduct
disturbing the peace
evading a police officer
failure to obey a police order

i could keep going, they never arrest you for one thing, it's 5 things

>>59930636
So what if you just let them examine your laptop and don't so much as shout if they pull nonsense like "anime pictures are illegal"? A mere accusation of a crime is sufficient to arrest someone, but actually sentencing them requires a trial, at which point it would become clear no crime was committed.

>>59930560
That's fine, they can check your sterile devices twice the next time you go through.

>>59930574
>>59930580
>>59930590
>Everything was fine before 9/11

Before 9/11 we were safe in our own nation. Now, there are people out there--tens of thousands--that would love to kill you, personally, given the slightest chance. While terrorism exists, we can never feel safe. The fact that terrorists have not performed a successful large-scale attack since then is a testament both to their incompetence and to the effectiveness of our "tedious" security measures.

It is never possible for security to catch 100% of attacks, but consider also that TSA agents are trained to detect psychological signals of would-be attackers that might not manifest in the people running tests.

>>59930683
The trial will come 6 months later, even if you win, you won't be getting your shit back until it's so obsolete that you won't even want it back.

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>>59930606

99% of the time they search phones / laptops on the suspicion that the person is trying to work illegally.
The whole loli thing only comes up if you either fucked up hard or they have reason to suspect it.
.t brother works in border agency.

>>59930700
You do realize that if you committed an ACTUAL crime like resisting arrest, you're much more likely to spend time in jail even after the 6 month delay?

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my laptop is full of anime tiddies and pictures of me crossdressing

>>59930728
Don't go to Canada then.

>>59930699
You do know Muslims existed before 9/11 right?

>>59930728
are they good?

>>59930699
>It is never possible for security to catch 100% of attacks, but consider also that TSA agents are trained to detect psychological signals of would-be attackers that might not manifest in the people running tests.
I've triggered that once just by not making eye contact with a deputy. I guess the thousands of man hours spent pointlessly detaining autists is worth it. Also I can tell you're trolling for (You)bumps - maybe I should work for the TSA.

>>59930728
KYS HOMO -_-

>>59930728
>pictures of me crossdressing
LEGS OR GTFO

What if people don't use american sites?
ameba...? others

>>59930759
most mass shooters turn out to be autistic so their training is pretty top notch

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>>59930779
It was a tumor.

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>>59930759
you wouldn't have been sure if I didn't post a second time

I always give in to temptation

>>59929767
I put all my sensitive data on an SD Card and tape it to the inside of my laptop's palmrest

I'm white officer, you must be mistaken

>>59930824
t. argentina

>>59929767
eurofag detected

He doesn't because I'm pre-cleared through TSA and they aren't allowed to check my bags.

>>59930824
>>59930836

hello my white brothers

>>59929843
fyi if you use a vpn in canada you are subject to warrantless investigation and monitoring

>>59929843
I enjoyed this, anon. Thanks

>>59929767
The only way to prepare is to not bring things like that on a plane. If you absolutely need a phone, buy a dumbphone and throw it away once you're done. If you absolutely need a laptop, either ship it separately or buy a cheap netbook in the country you're visiting. If you visit often, see if you can leave that device with someone who lives in that country so you don't need to keep buying new netbooks or whatever.

tl;dr The only winning move is not to play their shitty game.

Grab the cops gun and kill him and any civilians I see and then myself

>>59930899
while i'm sure you're joking, i find it funny that there are actually edgelords on /g/ who are reading this like "yeah that's exactly what i'd do too"

>>59930944
i find it funny that there are actually autists on /g/ who are reading that thinking "while i'm sure you're joking, i find it funny that there are actually edgelords on /g/ who are reading this like 'yeah that's exactly what i'd do too'"

>>59930965
an awful lot of characters just to say "I'm autistic and having a meltdown"

>tfw no desktop environment
>tfw have to explain to shaniqua the TSA officer how to use a terminal
>am completely friendly and compliant, just smile and casually explain whats going on
>shaniqua loses interest and lets me go
>tfw no will know about my chinese cartoons

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>>59930999
>measuring posts by character count instead of algorithmic complexity

>>59931011
>>am completely friendly and compliant, just smile and casually explain whats going on
how do you *casually* explain what a desktop environment is, let alone how a laptop works without one, to a shaniqua?

i'm not asking this rhetorically. if you haven't practiced this explanation, then it's not going to be casual. it'll be awkward and confusing fo a shaniqua.

>>shaniqua loses interest and lets me go
actually let's clarify something. there's TSA and then there's border patrol.

TSA is shaniqua. they make sure your laptop isn't a bomb by asking you to activate the device, evidently unfazed by the fact that if it IS a bomb they're asking you to kill everyone.

border patrol are LEOs. they're in the same category as cops and have similar powers. no shaniquas here.

but all that aside, they're not just looking at shit until they lose interest. anything that doesn't conform to existing patterns arouses suspicion. it's fine to have a laptop with no desktop environment, but you're going to have to explain it in a way that itself doesn't arouse suspicion. and some of the technical language that goes into explaining a desktop environment and stuff might itself seem suspicious to them.

you want to avoid a conversation, not instigate one. have your laptop boot into Windows 7 or something by default, no password and no access to interesting files. make the second option in GRUB your actual operating system with all of your CP or terrorist files or whatever. a laptop that blinks some big gray letters for a few seconds and then loads Windows isn't interesting. one without a password is especially uninteresting. a laptop that doesn't turn on in a recognizable way to the officer is really fucking curious.

>>59931020
just hang back and chill for a while buddy. nobody here's qualified to help you with whatever's going on right now.

>>59929843
>The way the law is written I cannot be compelled to reveal this info. It is a trade secret.
I don't know about this. US law says Border Patrol can search your shit without a warrant. They may be able to force you to give up a VPN password if they knew about it.

>>59931100
it's unclear, but the search and seizure rule is only relatively diminished at the border (or rather within 100 miles, which is like 90% of the population) because it's not considered *unreasonable*. the directive of the 5th amendment is much more unequivocal than in the 4th amendment.

your constitutional rights are never really suspended. the criteria for "unreasonable" and other interpretable things just changes depending on the circumstances (arguably way, way too much when border patrol is concerned).

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>>59929767
Don't have a phone and my laptop is being mailed in separate pieces for construction at my destination by a trusted acquaintance.

>>59931151
>my laptop is being mailed in separate pieces for construction at my destination by a trusted acquaintance.
1) definitely overkill if you encrypted your drive
2) telling border patrol that is like saying "hi officer. there's no child porn on a microSD card hidden in my rectum. just wanted to start our interaction with that."

>laptop has a fresh install of OpenBSD
>have no social media accounts

>>59931169
>definitely overkill if you encrypted your drive

But I don't use encryption. I have nothing to hide. Plus, they can probe my anus anytime.

I don't have a phone, laptop, or social media accounts. Your move, OP.

>>59931184
Do you have a bank account? Credit cards? Then you have something to hide.

If you work for a company that competes with American company's there have been times when information from confiscated or searched laptops have ended up in trade negotiations with Germany. Probably other countries too.

I use a dumbphone and my laptop boots into a cookie cutter windows 10 install unless you hold fn+end when booting. I don't have any social media accounts outside of a twitter account I only use to enter giveaways with.

>>59931184
you never access financial or other personal data from your computer?

encryption is for more than just pedophiles. you need to stop browsing 4chan so much if you think it is.

>>59929957
>it deletes the linux partition and 0s out select information upon windows bootup
Obstruction of justice/contempt of court right there. Enjoy 3-5 years in jail for absolutely nothing.

>>59931192
anal cavity search it is then

Laugh and watch them try to turn it on I suppose. I modified the BIOS on my old laptop so it would only allow the power button to function if 4 other keys were held down so unless they know that (which they will now but won't trace it back to me, you know, 7 proxies and shit) they can't get it to power on.

>>59931218
this. i doubt that anyone in this thread talking about being a smart ass to border patrol breaks the stereotype of the lanky, spindly, pale-as-a-ghost white nerd. they're not going to believe you don't own any tech devices. they'll go digging (figuratively and literally in your ass) for it.

Laptop boots by default to a small Windows partition and I have Chrome and other botnet stuff installed to make it look like I'm a good goy. My bootloader requires a special key combination on boot to get into my main partition of Manjaro.

>>59931226
i don't see what's so funny. you're at customs. you don't get to keep going until they're satisfied.

your setup only serves to discourage thieves (who presumably see that your laptop doesn't turn on and figure it to be worthless). someone at TSA finding they can't turn your laptop on is going to make a very hard assumption that they're dealing with a bomb in a laptop case. border patrol is going to pull you aside and make you plug it in and then turn it on.

you guys seem to think you're being clever. these guys aren't simple python scripts. they're human beings. this shit isn't clever, and even if it was, their standard response to clever shit is to throw you in a room for 45 minutes and threaten you (emptily or not, it honestly doesn't matter to them)

>>59930762
How's the school holidays going for you?

>>59931262

>border patrol is going to pull you aside and make you plug it in and then turn it on.

You actually think once they take possession of such a laptop they'll ever let me touch it again, boy are you a maroon, I mean really.

Never had issues, I just tell them it died in transit and I get waved right the fuck along.

But maybe the fact that I'm a white American male with a clean criminal history and a security clearance has something to do with it, what the fuck do I know.

>>59931262
I've gone through US customs before, even got "randomly selected" for a thorough search (which consisted of me and my family getting pulled to the front of the line and searched the same way they normally search you), they didn't even ask about my electronics, I just had to send them through the X-ray machine.

>>59931297
what are you, from the 1930s? who the fuck calls people "a maroon"? get over yourself.

i'll never understand people who insist on being playfully antagonistic with authorities. i can't wait for someone in CBP to have a bad day and pass it on to you for being an obnoxious dickhole.

>>59931330
are you talking about customs or TSA? this sounds like TSA. TSA is generally only interested in seeing if your devices are hidden bombs. CBP (especially lately) has been more interested in the contents.

>>59931331

>i'll never understand people

That's all you had to say, son, we understand that you can't understand the world you live in, don't worry about it. You'll be dead soon enough.

Border searches matter little. Large corps already monitor and read everything as does government to varying degrees already. The whole AI/machine learning sham is nothing more than a DRM/Propaganda/ Narrative control scheme. Google and others for example will know the phrases and terminology used by even specific users and suppress them automatically. We already saw this happen during the lead up to the election plain as day. Mega corps that control all the media worldwide for the most part are all complicit as well. There are no safe havens.

>>59930222
>don't start x
it's almost as if you want to be accused of being a hacker

>>59931340
Customs

>>59929793
You'd just be held in contempt until you remember.

>>59931369
I can't remember the last time law enforcement actually had to work for a living. All the rules are stacked against the populace already and it didn't take that long. America is a shell of it's former self and it went without a bang nor a peep.

>>59930824
what if I'm korean tho

>>59929793
>It would be a huge hassle, but I don't care.
if you're important enough to fly, your life is probably important enough that it's consequential whether you get held up for as little as an hour or two, let alone 2 days. let alone getting charged for shit.

if your time is so worthless that it's basically inconsequential whether you get detained for 48 hours, please don't fly. flights are crowded enough as it is without worthless meatbags taking up seats.

>>59930606
>If merely visiting 4chan constitutes a criminal offense, why have the owners of the site not been arrested?
FBI honeypot.

>>59930606
Constitution doesn't apply unless it benefits the people in power in some way. The sheer amount of crap that isn't constitutional is mind fuckingly huge. All the alphabets would be gone as would most programs and any form of gun control for starters. Rules don't apply to those with the power.

What if you say the laptop doesn't belong to you and you are bringing it to your friend/family member since they left it at your previous location?

>I have no idea what their password is and I only have their email address.

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I've never traveled abroad before. Do customers in the US really ask you for your passwords to your computers and social media accounts?

>>59931516
>What if you say the laptop doesn't belong to you
pretty sure that's just straight up the wrong thing to say. has been for decades. you never want to announce that you're a mule.

>>59931524
1) no, but it's something people experience infrequently enough that you can use it as a bogeyman and nobody can definitively say it never happens ever

2) there have been news stories where some people in some circumstances have been hassled. on this point i would direct you to read US news occasionally. this wasn't piddly shit either. it was big news.

browse other websites occasionally.

>>59931351
"Oh shit my laptop dies on me NOW?"

It'll look like any other BIOS or Windows crash to any normie, you'll be fine.

>>59931396
You get mistaken for being Chinese.

>>59931573
fuck you saw through my ruse
what if I'm chinese tho
do I just get thrown off a plane

>>59930606
>still not asking for it

holy fuck anon pls stop

>>59931528
what if it's completely in a factory sealed box with the void sicker intact since you bought it at duty free from where you came from? and you got it as a present for a family member.

>>59931608
Then it will be strange when they boot it up and find an encrypted drive

>>59931347
He really struck a nerve, right?

>login information for laptop
I have deniable full disk encryption. My /boot and header image is on a separate microSD which fits in my ear.
If they don't know about this microSD they can't prove I have anything installed on my laptop. The SSD looks like it's just random data written to it.
Even if they knew that it has an encrypted container on it, they'd have to brute force each block to find the correct one without the header image.

>login information for phone and social media accounts
If I have to travel by plane, I either leave my smartphone at home and use a dummy burner or I have my smartphone in my checked luggage. Either way, I don't have any social media accounts.

>>59930512
>The FBI actually has a proven record of stopping terror plots
But most of them were orchestrated by the FBI themselves.
They specifically target mentally ill Muslims and replace all their social contacts with informants that work their victim till they are convinced to buy weapons. Then the FBI steps in once they have ANY evidence that leads to a prosecution.
They do this regularly to prove how effective their surveillance is and to obtain even more freedom to snoop on citizens.

>>59930565
you fucking retar

>>59930636
failure to obey a police officer like seriously stop fagging up my favorite board you know nothing piece of trash

>>59931593
You'll be fine if you don't travel by United Airlines

So would I be better off not taking anything electronic with me when I go to the US?

>>59931823
You're better off not going to the US at all.

>>59930303
Mit using Memfs

>>59931823
No electronics will make you look even sketchier

>>59931608
if they think you're transporting valuable electronics across borders and you're not reporting it as taxable, you'll somehow get fucked even harder. they'll assume you're a really inept smuggler.

>>59931758
also, vaguely unrelated, but i want to emphasize this. refusing a lawful order is a crime.

>>59931823
your best bet is to disable fingerprint scanning, clear everything off of your device, and use a disposable passcode (e.g. set one that you'll reset after you leave the airport). you should have no linked accounts or anything on your device.

or, you know, assume that you'll be in the 99.9% where nothing bad happens to you. if you leave your car unlocked for a few hours it's actually relatively unlikely to be stolen. nobody will have any sympathy for you if it DOES get stolen, but often the worst case scenario just doesn't come to pass, so don't sweat it so much.

>>59929767
>implying i have my phone and laptop with me
>travel without digital devices
>at most a throw-away temporary phone
>send devices to destination via FedEx
>checkmate atheist

>>59929767
>going to the usa

>>59931758
Is america this bad that this is a crime?

>>59931758
Maybe, but you can go to trial and you have a 5th amendment right to not be forced to incriminate yourself, and that overrides faggy police powers. For example, a cop cant force you to unlock your phone. The TSA cant either. They will just deny you entry.

Study the law before you spout off insults, bootlicker.

>>59929767
>What have done to prepare for this situation?

Truecrypt with dual boot.
Any sensitive data is in encrypted containers disguised as movie files.

I don't use a smartphone, they can the contacts in my Nokia and my snake highscore if they want.

>>59931925
if the cop is telling you to do something and the thing they're telling you to do is legal then yeah it's a crime. what fallback do police in your country have if they tell someone to leave an area or whatever and the person doesn't do it?

i'm genuinely interested. it doesn't seem feasible to have NO law that even vaguely resembles this.

>>59932012
Can I ask, why you still use TrueCrypt over VeraCrypt? Maybe I don't know something.

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>>59930259
Is this real or are you memeing? Can the TSA really do this?

>>59931966
the department of homeland security is of the opinion (and presumably has lawyers willing to back up the view) that they CAN compel you to unlock your passcode protected device.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/what-could-happen-if-you-refuse-to-unlock-your-phone-at-the-us-border/

we can have a whole conversation about whether you would win at the supreme court after several years of legal battling, but most of us would rather just get through customs as quickly as is reasonably possible. if unlocking a recently-wiped phone will circumvent
1) me getting detained
2) me having to hire a lawyer
3, 4, 5, 6, 7) various rounds of lawsuits, appeals, etc... leading to SCOTUS,
etc...

then i'm going to opt for that. you might call it cowardly. i call it "have fun blowing the next several years of your life and several hundred thousand dollars on a fight you might lose anyway because our bench is heavy on justices who implicitly trust law enforcement, especially at the border.

>>59929843

>remote apps
>apps
>wasting bandwidth by downloading redundant data over and over again
>performance penalty

Isn't this shit obvious?

1) empty laptop to a server at home
2) travel without restriction
3) download shit back onto laptop

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>>59929962
Run shit off a USB stick, everything in the drive is encrypted.

Check what officer?

Also I have crossed international borders and have been checked several times, not once have they powered on my hardware.

Then again, I haven't been the the United States of McDonalds.

>>59932125
this
same with the phone

>crossing borders legally
kek

>>59932136
So they checked your laptop and what was on it?

>>59932125

>create image of drive
>put on Micro SD
>and another Micro SD
>hide Micro SD anywhere on your person or luggage, too small to notice, hidden encrypt it even in case its looked at
>wipe drive and install normie-friendly fresh Windows 10
>I'd like to search your laptop please
>coolface.jpg
>get out of airport and easily and quickly get your old OS back

No need to download gigabytes of shit on some random 128kbps network.

>>59932147
kek kek lulz epic xD

>>59929767
"No."

Can they actually do this? And if so what countries?

As you can buy cheap electronics from china there are 0 reasons to visit this uncultured paranoid country

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>>59932165
>Also I have crossed international borders and have been checked several times, not once have they powered on my hardware.
They never check shit,

Whats on it? My keys, my passwords, photos of my dick. Encryption stops thieves, not state players.

Misdirection stops the state.

If I can get into shit for carrying that data I don't carry it.

Can they do this if you only have a phone?

>>59929767
>going to clapistan
how about no

>>59930303
Nice, all they would find after weeks of searching and wasting a few thousand dollars is just pictures of my dog and my parents.

I don't have anything to hide, I just like being a massive fucking asshole to people who try to violate my privacy.

>>59931369
That's not how "innocent until proven guilty" works. And I'm fine with them sending me to jail if that's what it takes.

>living in a state where this sort of thing is checked
>going to a state where this sort of thing is checked

>>59929793
enjoy waterboarding

>>59932287
I will enjoy taking them to court after they bruteforce my weak password and find the hard drive filled with pictures of my dick

>>59930299
Man shut the fuck up with your beta faggot bullshit.

I'm so fucking sick of you defeatist little bitches acting like cops can literally do whatever the fuck they want and make up laws on the spot.

Shit happens, and whenever Barney Fife of Cousinfucker, WS does stupid shit like arresting some fucking loser cause one of his import mangas has a loli ad in it you hear about it on tv, that shit doesn't get upheld.

Some straight up pedo already faced this exact situation coming back from Canada. After a long series of legal actions it was finally determined by a federal judge cops can't make him tell them his fucking passwords.

Loli has gone on trail, it's been found to be protected speech.

Cops have raided tor nodes, it's been found unconstitutional.

The list goes on and on and on. Cops are not as powerful or as important as you stupid fucks think. You also seriously overestimate how much they give a flying fuck about you.

its for work I'm not allow to unencrypt it sorry
ok thank you sir move along

tsa agents are barely-trained high school graduates at best. it would be funny to see them try and wrangle with even the normiest of normans' devices.

>>59930700
That's fine, you'll have plenty of money after you sue the fucking shit out of the city and they fire every cop involved with prejudice, possibly bringing some of them up on charges for the wrongful arrest and detention of someone for no apparent actual reason.

Believe it or not anon, you do in fact have rights in this country. Cops have a line to tow, and if they don't it is much more often 'their ass' then common Fuck The Poopoo!!!!! types think.

literally "no"

>>59932302
>implying they give a fuck about your work

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>tfw have to encrypt everything i own because some shitty ecchi anime could potentially send me to jail

>>59929801
>applies to ANZAC
>applies to Australia and New Zealand Army Corps

Stupid american

>>59932534
I feel you.

>>59932698
Well I mean, maybe?

"sure, type my username its blah. press enter. now the password is blah blah blah. press enter. now type startx. now hold caps and press d, then type "thunar". k theres my files." *gets arrested for lewd hentai*

is there any fear of this type of thing happening during a domestic flight?
i am a 20 year-old tall white male
should i shave my mustache before flying?

Do as I would

install yout GNU-UNIX OS but putthe bootloader on a USB key

Laptop can't boot without it

"Why your laptop is not working?"

"It will be repaired once I arrive there!"

No booting, no check

>>59932902
i've flown with laptops many times domestic and they dont give a fuck they just want to get you on your way as fast as possible

>>59929908
So wtf was the picture?

>>59932935
lolicatgirls

>>59929767
Where's Vincent Canfield when you need him to tell his story?

>>59929767
Sir, I don't have any social media accounts
But here is my phone and my notebook login

>handing over logininformation knowing that all my sensitive data is store on a server at home which can only be accessed through VPN at this point. VPN connections is not set up on any mobile device

> taking a laptop on holiday

Autistic as fuck.

What can't bare to be away from 4chan for 2 weeks?

>>59929767
I legitimately don't have much to hide. Not that this justifies random searches- I believe in a right to privacy and I hate the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" attitude- but as a practical matter I would submit to whatever search was requested of me. I don't fly internationally on a whim- it would be a big deal for me if I was rejected from a country.

If I did have something interesting to hide, I wouldn't be retarded enough to put it on a laptop/phone and then take that device across an international border.

>>59933039
If I were going by myself I'd definitely bring a laptop.
>shitpost while waiting for the plane
>watch movies on the plane
>after a long day of sightseeing, upload photos taken on proper digital camera
>if i had friends i'd use it to talk to them before i go to sleep at night

>>59929767
>I need to see your porn folder anon, it's a fapping emergency... security shit.
>Mam ... Shaniqua stop that lady she needs a full cavity search, get the dildos. Mam, you need to come this way, no need to be scared we have lube. ...not now boner...

>don't have any social media
>Be denied access to a country
Nice freedom™®©

>>59929931
>However, having to give up my freedom would suck even more.
so much this

>>59933400
Kek'd

I would just not tell them the password, might log in for them depending on how professionally they behave

>>59929767
I unlock my phone using my fingerprint and literally can't remember the password.
I recently couldn't use my phone for a few days because I cut my finger.

>>59933039
>doing whatever on the flight(s)
>look up restaurants
>look up local shops and attractions to go see
>plug into hotel TV and fall asleep watching movies
There are many things a computer can do that don't consist of browsing 4chan.

"le redpill xD" me on vps + vpn

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>>59930369
Kill yourself, perma BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>59929767
>I would like to be present at all times while my laptop and phone are powered.
>Unencrypt XP install partition
>Nothing on there except battlefield 1942 and Warcraft 2
>They log into social jewdia
>Last activity: 02/2010

>>59932534
your video games are probably enough to prosecute you
friendly reminder that galgun double peace is banned in new zealand

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I'll buy some shitty laptop in murrica (they are pretty cheap in there?) and ssh into my localhost at home, where I store my dankest memes.

>implying i keep the "stuff" on the devices themselves.

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>>59929793
Actually the US military can detain anybody suspected of terrorism indefinitely, even US citizens on US soil. See ndaa 2012

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>see thread
>search "decoy"
>no results
>mfw

>>59931218
>implying you didn't fall right into my elaborate ruse

Heh nothin personnel kid

>>59933039
>holidays are the only reason to fly

meh flown internationally many times, including to the US, they literally have never asked me about my phone or laptop, worse that happened was getting stopped at customs because I was doing Paris / London many times a week and they wanted to know why.

>work
>ok
done wow.

for us citizens, tsa is not bad. and not once in the history of the us has a tsa agent asked a us citizen for a social media account name or password, lol. also, they cant detain you indefinitely, not even the us military can. if they have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that you are in the possession of something thats a threat to national security, then yeah. but that has never happened before, lol.

if you were talking about england and british citizens, lol, thats a different story.

> give password

Wait him to ask me "where do I find your things?"
>Answer idklol

Gentoo Master race

>>59938028
>Heh nothin personnel kid
>nothin personnel kid
>personnel kid
>personnel
>personnel
>personnel

i think you mean personal? yeah?

>>59932070
It's real.

The TSA wanted to search my BlackBerry, but since it's not an Apple or Android OS, they promptly got lost.

>this whole thread
I like how some people on here think they're clever revealing their super secret encryption and steganography schemes that will totally stump airport security on a public chinese cartoon image board.

>>59938451
I think you mean "I'm new"? Yeah?

>>59938551
>chinese cartoon image board
I thought this was a basket weaving forum?

>>59938551
oh! i get it so the joke was on me he was only pretending to be retarded? lol, so smart! got me again!

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>>59929767
Fill my computer up with gay porn and pictures of dicks, then watch the faggot look at them all.

>>59931662
>>59932277
>>59932923
This.


>>59933039
I always have my laptop with me. I don't use it most of the time, but at least it serves as a good support to build spliffs on.

>>59930699
>TSA agents are trained to detect psychological signals of would-be attackers that might not manifest in the people running tests.

>High school level education wage slaves trained in high level psychological analysis
yeah right

>>59929767
That's easy, I just start to speak on my natve language

>>59938851
>to speak on
>natve

I hope you got your butthole lubed up for the TSA.

I login as another user with emtpy history. Home directory of my actual user is encrypted. I have no social media accounts.

>>59939033
I do not use Team Speak of America

>>59929767
when I do go abroad I put a fresh install of windows 7 on my laptop, flashed a fresh rom on my phone then once I arrive I download my laptops ISO and phones backup image off next cloud (via VPN on both sides, with SSL and the files are encrypted 3 times total (full disk encryption, user encryption and manual encryption)) then reinstall on the phone and laptop and I'm good to go, it's all sorted on the first day I arrive

>>59939575
also I setup a tripwire to pull the cord on my servers if my door is opened so full disk encryption kicks in on all my devices if I'm swatted or someone breaks in

>>59929843

Basically...

I have a netbook I use exclusively for travel. The drive is zeroed out before every trip and a fresh XP install is done. I'll install Firefox, Flash, and maybe Gimp. It's used for internet access while I'm out and to make quick edits to pic I take.

I used to have OpenBSD 5.3 installed on it but that caused an issue once coming back into the US because I had it set up to boot to a cli and I would use startx to bring up the desktop after logging in.

Looked too... "hackerish" to them. I was delayed 4 hrs and missed my connecting flight home.

>>59939853
I hope going to jail for 5-10 years for obstruction is worth hiding whatever is on that.

Because any mechanism like that counts as obstruction in court.

Tell him that I've stolen this laptop and have no fucking idea.

This story works by the way 100% because they can't prove that this device belongs to you.

>>59940171
it's not obstruction because I'm literally doing nothing illegal and if the cops thought I was I'd decrypt the hard drives to prove innocence since I live in the UK and key disclosure is mandatory I just used swatting as an example

>>59940173
They will confiscate it though. You certainly wont be permitted to import stolen items.

>>59940210
Who cares if it is full of CP or other questionable material.

>>59940203
Setting up a mechanism/trap that locks/encrypts the computer if law enforcement tries to get at it is totally obstruction.

Check out how this turned out in court every time it's been attempted. If there is absolutely any evidence that the files were deleted or encrypted before police got their hands on the device, you will be found guilty.

Even if you deleted it the day before, you will be in hot water.

I've never left the country and I have no plans to. Enjoy being poked, prodded, scanned and catalogued, normies.

Driving is cheaper than flying. It's been this way at least since the second great depression hit back in 07/08. Taking anything personal or electronic anywhere that's semi important is a bad idea. You have no real rights. Flip phone no contacts or even cheap smartphone if you have to fly and use a VPN to access anything remotely when you get where you're going when you land. Laptop wise there are plenty of ways to travel with it being stock and making it more usable once you're in a safer location. If the government or someone else steals your shit you can easily replace it.

>>59940233
>Setting up a mechanism/trap that locks/encrypts the computer if law enforcement tries to get at it is totally obstruction.
again, I used swatting as an example and it's not obstruction because I'm willing to comply and hand over passwords - swatting was just an example the reason I set it up is if my house gets broken into my servers and the data on them is safe

>>59931564
that is literally what someone would do to try to get a bomb through security

Literally just change GRUB to boot into windows by default without a timer
don't have anything important on windows
problem solved

>>59940362
It would be easier to just carry a USB drive/mSD w/ adapter on you instead that you use to boot off of on any device instead. Also makes getting rid of it entirely feasible for just about anyone.

>>59940395
That's safer, but not easier. Carrying peripherals around just to boot your normal laptop is a huge PITA.

>>59940427
You wouldn't need to bring a laptop. You can use one in a store or a friends desktop/laptop. There are portable exe's for a reason. Oh and if you want to go further a prepaid android phone that can be used as a wifi hotspot w/ openvpn would be dandy too. No need to carry anything through security checkpoints so no worries. Nothing that sticks out to be stolen either if you're a tourist (besides wallet).

>>59940487
sure you can just carry TAILS wherever you go, but people want to carry data with them. if the security is tight enough to check your laptop more thoroughly they'll check your USB drives too.

>>59929793

This is correct. Also to be perfectly honest I hope this happens to me just so I can sit through the entertaining process. As long as I don't have anything to do that day.

>>59929931
you already have hardware back door in your cpu

>>59929767
give him a $100 bill and tell him to to enjoy his evening/day.

>>59939916
>The drive is zeroed out before every trip and a fresh XP install is done.

and that's the most retarded thing I've read all day!

>>59929767

I don't actually know the passwords to any of my social media accounts and don't store them on my laptop I travel with anyway, what would happen then?

>>59938413
See
>>59936690

> Backup laptop and cell phone to cloud (or HD encrypted with password in Keepass)
> Securely wipe laptop and cell phone
> Reinstall OSs and lightly use with dummy info
> Get to hotel and restore only the files you need, or get home and restore entire device

> Store all social media passwords in Keepass
> Create copy of Keepass database and encrypt it with a password and ancillary password (that you don't know) concatenated
> Send database and ancillary password to trusted friend
> Have him tell you the ancillary password once you reach your destination
> Unlock your Keepass database

Come at me border bros

>All these workaround ITT
>Not just put your sensitive file/program on hidden partition.

>>59944371
to do that you have to use a bootup password, unless you also use some of these workarounds.

I was sentenced to prison for 5 years because they put spyware on my laptop, and a month later I was browsing 4chan with a thread autoupdating and someone posted cp

they were sending the hashed images in my browser cache to the FBI, and that particular Hash matched one in their child protection database and I was subsequently arrested.

I only served 2 years but Now I'm registered as a sex offender

>>59944696
what was the probable cause?

>>59944729
downloaded Cheese pizza, it doesn't matter if it's unintentional

don't bring laptops through airports, just buy a new one

if they take your laptop into another room, you can be sure they've loaded it with spyware and keyloggers

>>59944696
stop lying on the internet, anon

or post proof

>>59944770
bruh if they don't have a reason to spy on you they can't collect evidence on you
either you're lying or your lawyer was shit

>>59944825
It's legal to spy on everyone

I was wearing a mlp shirt at the airport so I think that's the probable cause for spying

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>>59944849
That's not how it works. Give me a source or I'll think you're like this poor SO B.

>>59931067
stfu

>>59929767
Ask why there are agents in the middle of Rio Grande.
t. Pedro

So how many of you fucking big guys flown anywhere lately where devices you brought with you would be searched?

>>59932136
>Keeping your shit on a USB will help you
If you are of interest to them they will confiscate every electronic you have down to the last HDMI cable. Your USB will be as suspect as your laptop. Did you think USA just runs random laptop examinations or something?

>>59945631
Every country on the planet has the power to search your devices. It may rarely happen, but they certainly can do it if they want.

>>59929767
>and if in the USA, also to your social media accounts
Sir, are you demanding that I breach the terms of service, a legal contract with Facebook, in which I agreed I wouldn't share my password with anyone?

>>59944770
>don't bring laptops through airports, just buy a new one
>if they take your laptop into another room, you can be sure they've loaded it with spyware and keyloggers

Who does this happen to?

They used to demand to see it power up and then wave me through as soon as the BIOS logo screen came up -- even for an international flight after 9/11. Now they just xray it and don't bother with turning it on at all.

Then again I cooperate and don't actively try to piss the TSA and customs guys off.

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This thread scares me. I didn't know things were this bad, and they were so intrusive.

>>59946133
it's for only if you look like the wrong kind of fag.

>>59938563
no you nincompoop, it's a mongolian tapestry board

>>59932249
>clapistan
What did he mean by this?

>>59946220
Trumpland. The land of the "free". Burgerstan. Where Americlaps live.

>>59946148
Have you flown anywhere before? Like out of your country, by yourself, as an adult and not an unaccompanied minor? They ask anyone and everyone who goes through customs. If they're going to search your bag and ask what your business in the country is, you bet your ass they'll ask to go through your electronics.

>>59946299
No, they search through your bag and make sure your laptop isn't a bomb. Unless they specifically suspect you have something bad on your laptop or you make them hate you enough to make your life miserable, they simply don't have the time to check everyone's laptop beyond just xraying it and perhaps seeing that it actually turns on without blowing up.

>>59929793
a giveaway you should note is that a border security agent works at the border to the usa
they have the authority to deny entry

if you dont comply it could well happen that you are not allowed to go any further. enjoy your stay in nowhere

>captcha: hotel mango

I put all my pirated shit straight on the desktop

Dumbfucks don't even notice my 5000$ of cracked software.

>>59946655
They don't care about that shit. They're looking for the "My Child Porn" folder and documents like "how to built a bomb.txt", "ISIS guide to jihad.docx", etc.

>>59946445
We aren't talking about getting on the plane, we are talking about customs.

The TSA are just doing the bomb checking as you described. If your devices get checked, it will be by a Law Enforcement Officer, not TSA. LEOs are a whole different animal.

>>59946700
I'm talking about customs too. They have a lot of people going through every day as well. So long as you don't give them reason to suspect you have something interesting they won't look too closely.

If you have your laptop plastered with "I do not consent to this search" and "keep out" stickers, they might poke around a bit more. But if you look like a boring businessman carrying a boring work laptop in a boring laptop bag, they'll assume you're no different than the other thousand businessmen they process.

Of course you might get flagged for a random check, but that's not very likely.

>>59929767
I'm white

>>59929767
Both my phone and laptop have removable batteries. I replace the good battery with a dummy battery. Neither device turns on.

>>59946745
If you get pulled aside, you are there for the long haul. They will sit your ass down in a separate room for 4+ hours, they don't care.

>>59946761
This makes them much more suspicious than if anything came up on the screen. They'll probably confiscate the extra batteries too since you're not allowed to take loose Li-ion batteries on the plane.

Congrats.

>>59929767
Laptop: wipe clean before travel, only running barebones programs. Manually disable WiFi connection cable, can't do shit.
Phone: also wipe clean, but make a backup with all your apps and shit. On the way to the airport, delete all social media. Once you reach your destination, simply system restore and you're gold.

>>59932276
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indefinitely-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives-loses-appeal/

Enjoy.

>>59929767
only thing I've been asked is if I'm bringing food in
"no" or "just some wine and chocolate"
they didn't give a shit and why should they? If you're suspicious enough to warrant "random" device checks then you have bigger problems than what's on your phone

>>59947573
This isn't legal at all, what the fuck.

>>59947788
I would bet there are higher appeals to be done yet.

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Can someone explain the whole look at your laptop and social media thing?

I am from the US and I travel to Japan, Korea and China pretty often. I have need had anyone ask me about my latptop. Rarely do I even get asked about anything I am carrying, except for water when traveling back to the US.

Does the TSA ask for your passwords? Isn't that against the agreements for social media? Or do they just ask you to log in and they poke around?

>>59947893
literally first worlder privilege, the post. i bet you are a cis white male too.

>>59930303
>he thinks encryption has anything to do with filesystems

>>59947988
>he doesn't follow linux kernel development

>>59929767
go ahead and tell him my user pw for my Windows 7. He won't even see my secret hard drive with gahnoo plus linux filled with elite media files i hacked from public trackers

>>59948054
Explain

>>59948085
ext4 now supports filesystem-level encryption.

>>59948094
Oh okay, why would you want that over plain dm-crypt though?

>>59948119
because it's more secure, of course. individual passwords and so on.

>>59946133
Don't worry goyim just jerk off to the new BLACKED.COM scene and go to sleep.

>>59948145
I see.

>>59947934
I guess I am, but I do wear edgy /fa/ggot clothing, often all black. Wouldn't that make me suspicious?

>>59931330
>this single experience is true for everyone

>>59948081
>sir, we'll need to perform a cold boot

>>59946761
>I replace the good battery with a dummy battery. Neither device turns on.
"Sir I'm going to have to confiscate your machine for further inspection, please sign this form"

>>59948716
it boots into W7 if unless u press f12 and select different hard drive. only set up this way because WIndows is a total heeb about restarting to update

i'd honestly be thrilled if the airpigs wanted a full tour of both operating systems on my laptop. I spent a lot of time personalizing and optimizing both. I'd be like, "wanna see my virtual machines too?" and they'd be like, "gtfo nerd"

>>59937556
That has been suggested multiple times under different names.

>>59929767
"I'm not interested in assisting you with this officer"

Reset my devices to default without using passwords before going to the airport.

That way they get to go through them and I don't have worry about setting off some retard by not giving a password. Then just restore when I get home/to the hotel.

No need to get all confrontational.

>>59929767
Have a wiped drive, dummy kikebook account and an off-site encrypted backup of my CP, or whatever I wanted to smuggle in.

>>59931348
Bullshit. Every piece of technology used to supress speech will be used against those who supress speech. As it always did.

Your entire premise is based on an assumption that populace is full of dumb shits.

>>59931384
US is in its death throes. It's going to fold and fracture in about 50-75 years. Most likely when the extensive debt becomes unsustainable.

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>>59929767
>not modifying his GRUB2 boot and corrupting it (you can fix it later by chrooting on live iso) and telling GRUB2 to show a fake error that "The laptop needs to be factory fixed. Data corrupted" and some gibberish shit they won't understand.
>not getting external HDDs and replacing the SAS with a fake/dummy generic NAND flash which is formatted to show a fake capacity (to match the HDD's capacity)

>>59946699
They are looking for people who don't want to share their passwords or who get twitchy/nervous when asked to handle their tech.

>>59938099
>I live in 80's and don't know how to use Skype

>>59938579
Lurk more my child