SLOWER THAN 14NM - SAYS INTEL

Does anyone find the situation once again mirrors 2004 where Intel has to push clocks and power consumption as high as possible to compete? So many fond memories.

>>59927465
I'm assuming that the 10nm chips are extremely energy efficient.

Which is one of the most important features on mobile chips, such as in laptops.

I don't see a problem here.

>>59928177
What about desktops?

>>59927465
Now if this was AMD you would get dozens of posts saying 'they will optimize it, just wait" and other such excuses.

>>59928372
>Intel
>Just Wait(TM)
Shekelchasers BTFO

>>59928372
I expect Intelshills to proclaim AMD as the sole cause of climate change.

>>59928397
Sorry mate, but when intel fucks up, they don't hire 30 pajets to spam these boards with damage control at all times.

>>59928352
I guess we'll find out if it carries over to desktops.

>>59928411
>I expect Intelshills to proclaim AMD as the sole cause of climate change.
No you are thinking of AMD fanboys mate.

So basically a repeat of Broadwell? Broadwell got two LGA1150 CPUs that nobody bought because they were slightly slower than Haswell refresh. They did run a lot cooler but desktop users don't care that much about that unless you're going over 120W TDP.

>>59928412
Present evidence notwithstanding?

>>59928635
?

>>59928455
What is 120W TDP

>>59928177
>Energy efficient
Hey goy, put more small batteries

>>59928455
The 5775C was a gaming beast.

HOLY SHIT JUST BUY HARDWARE WHEN YOU NEED TO AND GET WHAT MATCHES YOUR NEEDS.

Intel/AMD/Nvidia whatever. Look at what you want to do. Either play a game, or make patterns in Excel.

Buy what does the job best at the time you need to buy and get what you can afford/fits your budget.

Welcome to /g/, where we make 30 threads a day about the same thing and circlejerk hate on Intel/AMD/Nvidia. Because clearly Intel/AMD/Nvidia is better guys.

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>>59929933
Because watching Intel get into a losing fight with the laws of physics is entertaining as all fuck.

>>59928412
Yeah I must've been hallucinating the POOZEN BTFO threads with laughably shit gaymurr benchmarks constantly being spammed for a month straight.

>>59929933
/thread

Sadly we like arguing.

>>59929964
underage b&

>>59929964
https://sys.4chan.org/g/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=59929964&altc=1

>>59927465
Is this even news though? Intel already said a while back that Cannonlake would be a mobile/embedded release because of shitty 10nm yields.

That being said,
>Coffee Lake
>Process-Architecture-Optimization-Optimization

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>>59927465
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>59930068
People that say buy whatever you need just have the tip of AMD's dick in their ass.

Sane people say Intel/Nvidia always.

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Not sure what the problem is here.
My i5 3210m laptop from 2012 used to beat all of these low voltage processors up until recently.
This is just them pushing out yet another low power cpu.

Probably because that's the power consumption thing they can really improve nowadays and they're aiming for the mobile sector.
This low power thing is the trend, until they decide to finally stop milking people and switch away from silicon to something like GaAs.

What's it like for you 15 year olds to concern themselves over performance gains in the worst plateua in history?
I remember back in 2006 when each generation promised magical gains and every iteration was worth upgrading to

Yet here I am in a 4400 and still don't have a reason to upgrade

>>59930245
>>59930258
but he's 18

>>59927465
>hey intel can I have a 10nm process?
>14nm? What do you need 16nms for?
>delid in 4miles

>>59930354
When the T580 comes out with like 24 hours of battery life on 50Wh batteries nobody will be complaining.

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>>59927465
DELID DIS!

>>59930349
What's the point of an Intel CPU if it's universally shit?

>>59927465
Pure Innovation. They managed to lower their 1% gains even lower and in fact have now achieved negative gains. Such courage

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>>59927465

>>59927577
Northwood , Prescott et al
130watts in a single core,
Hairdryer for a pc

>>59930349
Kill yourself, tripfag.

>>59930393
Intel's already losing the fight against quantum physics, you want them to lose the fight against entropy as well?

>>59928177

This. I don't need a fast chip in a laptop. I just need low power/heat.

Desktop and server market is another question though. Maybe they will find a home in htpc fanless type stuff?

>>59930349
Mate. This is fucked. What happened to you?
You used to be reasonable. Now that Ryzen's came out you went full blown obvious shill.

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>>59927465
Even Bulldozer is faster than Broadwell-E

>>59931298
ouch

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>>59927465

>>59930625
You are retarded if you ever thought that he wasn't always the worst tripfag on /g/. Also you should also kill yourself.

>>59930625
>You used to be reasonable
>Be awesome
>Reasonable
He's always been a troll on all topics, for years now. If you ever find yourself agreeing with him on anything then something is wrong. He denies basic facts in an attempt to push his bullshit.

>>59928372
Maybe because Intel is 100x larger than AMD and can probably afford 20 teams of CPU designers that each get billions of USA bucks in funding , while AMD can have maybe 2 max

>>59931360
>>59931366
Nah, just that he used to put effort in. Then again Ryzen has really fucked things over for shills. Not much to fall back on other than absolute peak frame rated in games. Everything else gets shat on.
> for years now.
I don't come by that much.
He was having a 'good' spell six months ago.
But now it's just pathetic.

>>59931402
What do 'CPU designers' have to do with process development?

>laptop chip is underpowered
WOW INTEL IS SURE BTFO I AM AN AMDDRONE NOW PRAISE RYZEN

>>59931745
>laptop
>relevant
This is why Intel is fucking shit.

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>>59930349
Kill yourself, you perma BTFO'd tripfaggot.

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>TFW I switched from an am3+ chipset to an 1151 build last year because I believed in Intel for the present to the near future
>Canonlake will perform worse than Ryzen and Skylake
>There will be a chipset refresh after canonlake
>I won't be able to get a decent upgrade over my 6600k without a new motherboard even though I spent a lot of time making sure that I'd be able to buy jumping into a chipset at the beginning and getting off at the end
My blood is boiling desu

>>59934227
> last year
About time to get a new motherboard anyway according to intel logic.

>>59934227

No one but to blame but yourself.

Everyone said wait for Ryzen. Even days after Ryzen was announced Intel knew they had no response and started working on a new architecture.

If Zen wasn't as good as it is, Intel would have gladly sold you a cannonlake for am even higher premium.

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>>59934269
Kaby Lake-X is going to destroy Ryzen in every benchmark.

>>59934310

And then we get to see what Ryzen+ can do shortly after. Competition is great.

>>59934288
Anybody who believed in "wait for Zen" a whole 12 months ago would have been laughed at and rightly so

>>59934310
What does Ryzen have to do with Kaby Lake-X using new socket?

>>59934392

Then you hadn't been paying attention at what a monster Zen was turning out to be, or the effectiveness of bulldozer gaining steam in multithreaded games.

The tea leaves were there.

>>59931322
Oyy Vey

>>59934464
>bulldozer gaining steam in multithreaded games.
I bought an 8350 six months because of this.
(first build)
Four cores are fucking stupid this late in the game.

>>59934310
>babylake - x
>new socket
>7740k 4c 8t
>112W Housefire™
>Just Wait™

back in the oven

>>59934324
>competition is great
>both companies are putting out chips not even 50% faster than a 6 year old Sandy Bridge.

It's sad seeing the progress of current CPUs.

2011-2017 - 45% performance gain
2007-2011 - 200% performance gain
2003-2007 - 450% performance gain
1997-2003 - 950% performance gain
1993-1997 - 6500% performance gain

>>59929933
checked

>>59934612
>t. 2600k owner

>>59928372
They will Intel and AMD both start shitty in the beginning and then get it together afterwards.

>>59934612
>monopolies

Sucks though. Not upgrading ever at this point.

>>59929933
>Either play a game, or make patterns in Excel.
Very subtle way of saying buy intel.
Fucking fan bois getting assmad.
Was perfectly fine when people were getting (((recommended))) i3's instead of FX8XXX.
But noooo. Now that intels behind you'd rather there be no discussion on the facts of the matter anymore.

>>59930393
Every other manufacturer is just going to use this as a opportunity to skimp on batteries and make a thinner laptop

>>59934663
No where do I say buy Intel.

Or from any company for that matter. They're corporations that just want to take my currency. They aren't "loyal" to me. I've never understood why people blindly follow a company and buy everything they release.

It's weird that we live in a day where what you buy seems to define you socially on the internet.

>Look guys, check out this thing I bought that's clearly better than what you did. Faggot.

That's all that anyone does.

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>>59934612
That's pre-ryzen though.
With ryzen you have a over 150% gain from sandy in MT.

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>>59930349

>just wait for skylake x
>just wait for cannonlake
>just watch - AMD will go bankrupt

Future is so bright I gotta wear shades

>>59934790
>comparing a $450 CPU in 2017 to a $290 CPU in 2011
You CPU shills are really fucking desperate are you, Intel or AMD.

>>59934705
>what you buy seems to define you socially on the internet.
No, it's what you said. You're wreathing that there's something other than intel and nVidia.
You simply cannot handle it. So you'd rather all conversation stop.
>check out this thing I bought that's clearly better than what you did. Faggot.
Your point?
This a board of discussing technology. I'll agree the "hey /g/ I just brought 3k worth of vidocards" threads are fucking stupid.
But discussing what's currently the best for activity X is not something that should cease here.

You'll come to accept this in due time. 7 stages of grief.
Also, stop abusing the return key you gigantic homo.

>>59934923
Kill yourself.

>>59935100
After you.

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>>59934596

>>59927577
except now instead of making them slightly faster and hotter, they're making them slower and colder.
absolute genius

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>>59929933

/thread

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>>59935528

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

10/10

>trying to fight quantum mechanics

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>>59935528

I forgot one thing: you forgot to change the pentium 4 image to the core i7 image.

>>59934923
Pretty much all 1700s do 3.7-3.8ghz.
A $330 2017 CPU vs a $320 (with inflation) cpu.

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>>59935528

Fixed

>>59934392
>not believing in the certified shit wrecker

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>>59936187

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The best part is everyone assuming Intel had god chips just sitting in a warehouse waiting to BTFO AMD if they ever became competitive again.

It turns out they really were sitting on their collective asses all these years

Intel's architecture is like a dried up old titty. All the milk has been sucked out. It's just a flabby bag of skin. But full-grown manchildren just keep trying to suck out of it.

>>59936258
>m-muh secret sauce

>>59936258

The damage control on /g/ alone has been hilarious.

>>59934392
You don't get to say that about people who were right.

>>59934612
when does the x86 architecture patent expire?

>>59928372
>just optimize less transistors
>hotfix more gates
>download more cache

>>59935913
ebin : ----------------- DD

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>10nm slower than 14
>h-hheh it's for laptops anyway

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WHERES THE TOCK INTEL. YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE TOCKS

>>59930393
你會繁體字嗎

>>59927465
THE LAPTOPS OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE DELIDED YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER.
>2017
>NOT DELIDING

God I hate you /g/. Luddites to the highest degree.

>>59937379
They are just doing whatever they want now
Nobody is going to force there hand, despite what shills will tell you intel seriously couldn't care less about Ryzen
they are seriously free to just release whatever they want whenever they want

>>59928177
>I'm assuming that the 10nm chips are extremely energy efficient.
ARM already is energy efficient

>Which is one of the most important features on mobile chips, such as in laptops.
>mobile
>laptop
Pick one, anyone (see normies) who uses a laptop thinks of it as his daily use machine, his "mobile" is his phone or tablet, where ARM is already dominating.

>I don't see a problem here.
Mmmm, this reeks of shill

>>59938270
sadly this
all they have to do is just release a processor with a 5% performance gain and it's back to nobody buying AMD again
they seriously don't care which makes me wish maybe nvidia made processors

Coffeelake > Cannonlake > Kabylake in clock speed

>>59937988
Laptops are bare die unless built by Sager

Even Alienware laptops will see 30C drop with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut.

>>59928455
X99 OCF is to draw up to 1300W for the cpu alone

>>59934227
>>I won't be able to get a decent upgrade over my 6600k without a new motherboard

Oh, come on now.

If you want to upgrade without buying a new mobo, Intel has never given you much time to do it.

Look at the timing on the sockets:

1156 (2009 and 2010)
1155 (2011 and 2012)
1150 (2013 and 2014)
1151 (2015 to 2018)
Icelake (2018 to ???)

So Intel graciously gives you about a 2-year window to keep your mobo before they make it obsolete. (The only reason the 1151 socket is going to last so long is because the transition to 10 nm is a real bitch, slowing the tick tock way down.)

>>59928177
Does anyone ever uses laptop battery? Where do you do that? On a train?

>>59939041
>1156 (2009 and 2010)
>1155 (2011 and 2012)
>1150 (2013 and 2014)
>1151 (2015 to 2018)

I miss the Pentiums and Athlons era.
These days is just "USB USB USB OH WOW NEW CHIPSET, HERE ANOTHER USB UPGRADE"

>>59937379
They scraped the old system, it's now TICK-TOCK-PANIC

>>59939381
B E S I N
F A L L S

>>59936930
>when does the x86 architecture patent expire?

Type "lscpu".

See that huge list of flags?

Those are all the features that Intel has incrementally added to their CPUs over the years.

Every feature is patented, and every feature has an installed code base that relies on its existence.

You can't compete against Intel by releasing a CPU that's missing the past 17 years worth of new features. If you want those features in your CPU, you have to license them from Intel. And Intel only allows one company to license those features: AMD. Intel allows AMD to sell x86 CPUs for only one reason: to serve as a defense against anti-trust prosecution. AMD is Intel's "monopoly shield", and Intel doesn't need any other company to fill that role -- so you're completely out of luck if you want to enter the x86 CPU market.

Yes, /g/entlemen, that's right -- AMD competes against Intel in the x86 CPU market ONLY because Intel authorizes them to do so. If it wasn't for anti-trust legislation, Intel would have bought AMD many years ago.

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>>59937988
Ok, now what?

>>59939470
>Intel allows AMD to sell x86 CPUs for only one reason: to serve as a defense against anti-trust prosecution.
Not exactly. AMD developed and owns the AMD64 extension to x86. AMD and Intel are in a mutually beneficial patent deal so that Intel can use the 64-bit extension and AMD can use the x86 base.

>>59939640

The x64 cross license deal is still massively in Intel's favour. As far as I understand it it is "if AMD ever goes belly up Intel gets all rights fuck you" but if Intel imploded AMD doesn't inherently get any rights to x86.

Then again both VIA and (iirc) IBM still hold an x86 license.

>>59939640
> Not exactly.
> AMD64 extension

If it wasn't for anti-trust legislation, Intel would have simply bought AMD to acquire its patent portfolio.

So, ultimately, AMD exists only because Intel allows it.

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>>59928372
They'll just release an upgrade card like they did with the pentium g6950.

>5 watt 2ghz cpu is slower than 150watt 5ghz cpu with 4 times more transistors

WWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWW

>>59939700
>if AMD ever goes belly up Intel gets all rights
Not really. AMD is the last real competition to Intel in x86 space, so Intel would have to license it to whatever competitor comes up or face the wrath of an antitrust lawsuit that they lose by default.
If no competitor comes up, the government steps in and splits Intel in a big divestiture, not unlike what happened to AT&T back in the 80s.

>>59939716
>AMD exists only because Intel allows it
I'm not sure "allow" is the right term since they have no other choice.

>>59930393
>implying that they won't make batteries smaller again because "muh thin and light" and battery life will be exactly the same

>>59931745
intel's 10nm laptop chips will be slower than their 14nm laptop chips you retard

>>59939820

ITS OKAY IF INTEL DOES IT!

>>59939928
Because you're comparing high end laptop 14nm i7s to soon to be released 10nm Y (lower end than even i3s) cpus. You're not fooling anyone you stupid indian I won't buy your curry shit

>>59939075
on mine right now

>>59939937
Intel next year will come out with a 6-8 core CPU at 4.5GHz and will competlely fucking destroy AMD

>>59940000

FUCK YEAH! INTEL!

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>>59940000
BURN IT DOWN.

>>59940032
The irony is that you can't get any poozen cpu to oc over 4.1ghz even if you set the volts to 300 without your motherboard catching fire

>>59940000
>Just wait
Holy shit! Is this real life?
Intelfag finally the one who actually saying this?

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>>59940000
>8 Intel Housefire(tm) cores
>4.5 GHz

Hope you have a good fire insurance plan.

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>>59940063
>>59940073
>shit streeters
Lul

>>59940096
Kill yourself.

>>59940096

LISTEN TO THIS MAN! JUST WAIT!
INTEL IS THE BEST! JUST YOU WAIT YOU FUCK!
WAIT! INTEL WILL COME BACK!
THIS IS NOT THE END!
WAITING IS PROVEN TO BE GOOD!

/kek

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>>59940138
>just wait
For what?

>>59930480
>Jim Keller
>Jem Keller
>Jew Keller
>Jew Killer
makes u think

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>>59940146
>March 4

>>59940146

BUT NEXT YEAR! >>59940000
JUST YOU WAIT! INTEL WILL BE BACK!
IT WILL DESTROY AMD! WHY DO YOU DOUBT INTEL!
YOU MAY WIN THIS YEAR YOU POOSHITER! BUT NEXT YEAR IT WILL DESTROY AMD

STOP DOUBTING INTEL! JUST WAIT™

>>59940181
AMD WILL GET BETTER JUST WAIT

>>59939469
BENIS FALLS :::---DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>59940146

>U-uh, next year intel will destroy AMD with 8 cores
>w-wait for what?

Make up your mind please intelshill.

>>59931491
But i5s were shitty for at least 2 years, very obviously, but shills on here kept pushing them.
It was apparent in frametime graphs 2 or 3 years ago that they were a stuttering mess on so many games coming out and that average FPS was a shitty measurement.

Sure Bulldozer was worse, but shilling a bad chip because it kind of fits someone's budget was never a good idea. That's the reason Intel didn't need to improve their SKUs more so than a lack of competition, that fucktards would overpay for them anyway.

>>59940192
They actually did :^)
Just like Intel did with Netburst, Westmere and Sandy Bridge.

>>59940146
>muh +10 FPS average at over 100 FPS

Still turns into a stuttery mess as soon as the game tries to load from the disk or a background task does anything at all.

>>59934227
You had to be retarded to think a 4c/4t in 2016 was good then, let alone for the future.
You could still sell it and get a 6700k instead.
Or just sell the whole mobo+cpu+RAM and get Ryzen.

Better to fix your mistake now than let it depreciate further.

>>59934324
Ryzen+? It's going to get BTFO by 12core and 16core HEDT Ryzens. The 1900X and 1950X(tentative names).

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>>59940218
Lul no they didn't

>>59940228


JUST WAIT YOU FUCK! AMD WILL GET BETTER!

>>59940227
>implying 12+ core HEDT Ryzen+ won't come out

>>59934227
Get a 7700k it will take amd 10 years to catch up to it in any game

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>>59940228
Now post 0.1 and 1% lows

>>59940253
>games witll be limited to 4cores in the next 10 years

T-thanks intel.

>>59930036
You're implying AMD would have tried to make that same ballsy move.

Intel might be a Jewish company, but at least it's taking the right step by coming up with a new technology (10nm is actually smaller than some atoms) that will make it the king of innovation as well as processing power.

If Intel ever hires anybody who comes up with a superconductor that works at room temperature, it's going to own the market even harder than it did before Ryzen. It's the reason why Intel isn't really worried about Ryzen--if Cannon Lake is a success, Intel is basically set for life.

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>>59940228
How's that pr0 3zp0rtz going for you? Win any tourney lately? Mad dosh from sponsorships?

>>59940253
It already loses if you aren't doing insane shit to push it past 5 GHz.

>>59940282
>Cannon Lake is a success,

Looks and feels like another Broadwell.
It getting delayed by a year and a half isn't helping.

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>>59940267
Kek i3 has higher min frames than indian shit averages lmao

>>59940282
Cannon Lake is shaping up to be a low yield turd that performs worse and isn't even worth it in terms of TDP.

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>>59940283
>Mad dosh from sponsorships?
Probably got them 4 mad housefire corez

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>>59940314
Excellent cherrypicking, shill. Now pick out a game that isn't a broken piece of shit that hasn't been patched.

Who gives a fuck now that ryzen is here? AMD mobile will crush them

>Just wait is intel trademark now.

Praise Ganesha, We finally won brothers.

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>>59940340
>every case where amd proves itself to be shit is a cherrypick
Ok

>>59940379
That game runs like ass on dx11 too it's not well optimized

>>59927465
delid

>>59940228
Is that the max the gpu can put out at 1080p or does it go up with more overclock on the cpu?

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intel fags btfo

>>59940405
I like the "release Skylake again" one more.

>>59940405

JUST WAIT YOU POOSHITER!

>>59940379
>>59940402
Not only that, but it was already patched to run better with Ryzen. Shills getting desperate. https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/247141-total-war-warhammer-will-also-receive-ryzen-patch

>>59940314
>different game
>a shittily optimized game at that
hmm

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I'm not worried, reviewers hate the R5's, literally everyone recommends a genuine Intel i5

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>>59940253
Upgrade to Coffeelake

This motherboard has stronger vrms than the X370 motherboards out there

>>59940379
>posting a game that's already been patched
lmfao. You desperate shill.

You may as well completely make shit up and photoshop fake benchmarks. It's the same thing as what you're doing.

>>59940447
Don't forget Fallout 4 and ARMA, completing the trifecta of poorly optimized shit games.

>>59930480
shit wrecked intel so hard they went full retard

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Why are you niggers arguing with the day one troll using cherrypicked shit instead of average 15+ game performance

>>59928941
Better than a 4790k?

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>>59940502
oi vey these goyim don't know how to benchmark a game properly

>>59940502
WoW!
Why Would You Settle For 7.2 Less Than Intel?
amd Is Really Only For Poor People

>>59940502
Yeah, but they need to be at 60x40px with half bit color

>>59939964
That's not what intel said.

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>>59940447
I guess it's always the games fault no matter that every game shows the same result and it's not actually your indian chip being shit?

>>59940502
Not a real CPU benchmark

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>>59940543

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>>59940549
Okay

>>59940526
But it's the highest in 4K.
Why would you settle for .2% less performance than what a cheaper CPU gets?

>>59934612
>what are diminishing returns

You can only get so much out of silicon.

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>>59940565
Looks good.
$500 CPU is only 30% slower than the $1750 CPU in a cherry picked benchmark, while it often beats it

>>59940553
Nobody is cherrypicking. Your indian cpu is just shit at gamig, get over yourself you autistic gizmo.

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>>59940559
>used a $90 mobo for the ryzen and a $250 one for the Intel

Not even your own shill believe you.

>>59939615

Ok...now delid the TI83

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EgrP7PjjTw

>>59940598
>motherboard determines the performance of a cpu
"Indian intelectuals". Also
>used 1 year old z170

HI my name is Salazar and this thread greatly offends me

>>59940639
>used 1 year old z170
HE FORGOT TO WAIT FOR THE NEW MOTHERBOARD TO COME FROM SHIPPING!

JUST...

>>59940639
>"motherboard determines the performance of a cpu"
>Complain about the motherboard in the next line.

toppest kek

>>59940639
I really wish I could filter this fucktard.
I recognize him in so many threads. He just reposts the same day1 cherry picked benchmarks in almost every thread.

I know this is just 4chan and all, but I still wish /g/ could have a rule against posting misleading/fake "benchmarks".

>>59940760
I personally call him Ramesh. He's retarded, probably.

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>>59940639
>he thinks motherboards don't have different performance characteristics especially at their infant stages

Hah, nice to know Intelfags are completely clueless.

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>>59940639
Not using the Apex and running 5.3ghz at low v 7700K and fast ram?

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>>59940781
Speaking of Warhammer

>>59940781
>the most expensive AM4 motherboard has one of the worst ANUS BIOSes of all time not counting the X99 one

Why do people recommend this company anymore?

>>59940803
Who knows. Said mobo (ANUS ballhair republic of DOA) also literally bricked itself.

>>59940787
Dope af. It will most likely take amd 10 years at the very least to hit that frequency considering their new shit clocks lower than their own old bulldozers lmao

>>59940781
Asus has really gone down the shitter. Their 480 was one of the worst in the market.

>>59940800
>pre-patch benchmark
How embarrasing, shill.

>>59940850
Well the 480 chip itself is shit so there's that..

>>59940579
Kill yourself.

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Speaking of microcode and BIOS.

Free performance!

>>59940864
>XFX chips get 1470mhz
>Sapphire gets 1440mhz
>Asus gets 1380mhz, also throttles down under load because of their retarded temp target.
Nah man, its Asus this time.

>>59940837
They literally have IBM's 14nm HP SOI lined up for Zen+.
Zen itself is actually not a low clocking design and has no critical path issues that may hinder clocks currently. The only reason why Ryzen is capping out at around 4GHz is 14nm LPP.

>>59940900
1470mhz is pretty shit for a 14nm dude. Nvidia gets their shit running at 2.1 ghz running on 16nm

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So we waiting for Intel now?

>>59940901
>IBM's 14nm HP SOI lined up for Zen+.
Probably no. FinFET to SOI translation is pretty hard. And GloFo has limited production for that node.

>>59940924
>low power vs high power now
Really makes you think.

>>59940934
Wait until 2021, sure.

>>59940924
Nvidia's arch is 32 wide scalar while AMD is 16 wide vector arch, you cockmongling retard.

>>59940901
The next SOI is 7nm, possibly late 2019

>>59940983
Don't play smart you stinky indian shit because you're not. Amd clocks lower and there's not shit you can do about it

>>59940996
7nm is FinFET.

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>>59941008

>>59941008
Kek. It's OK to not know what a word means, anon. You can always ask someone else.

>>59941008

This is comedy gold, thanks anon.
Can't get this same shit from amdfan.

>>59940837
This is what happens when retards don't understand clockspeed, TDP and IPC.

>TFW the only shekelchaser left is literally the dumbest fucking shill in the history of shills
Kikeshills truly BTFO

>>59941125
He is the type of the customer that made the Pentium 4 such a success commercially.

wait for cannon kek

>>59940340
delid

>>59941410
HAHAHAHA SO FUNNY I LAFD REAL HARD DELID SOME KABYLAKES ARE DELIDED SO ITS FUNNY HAHAHAHAHHA

What is with AMD fans? I mean they must themselves see that they have excuse for everything. One anon provides 6+ independent tests and they call them ALL cherrypicking, while barely providing 1-2 tests in response. I mean, how don't they see the irony here?

>>59927465
So this is why Coffee Lake exists.

>>59941434
>so this is why another 10 months of waiting exists
What the hell is Caffeine lake (Skylake again) gonna do against Zen+ coming out in the same time frame?

>>59941446
Pretend it's fucking competitive. I very much doubt it will be though.

>>59941457
It'll clock to 5.0 while Zen+ will only clock to 4.7 AMD is BTFO

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>>59941446
What kaby lake did to poozen, destroy it

>>59941467
Zen+ will clock maybe 10% higher.

>>59941490
On a HP process? Fat chance.

>>59941481
But Kaby Lake destroyed my house, not Zen.

>>59941501
They will never use 14nm HP. The best case scenario is 14nm LPU which is said 10% increase in clock speed.

>>59941516
Why do you think "they'll never use it" ?
That's basically limiting yourself, LPP is fine for everything but desktops, but for desktops it's suboptimal

>>59941528
Because they give almost zero fucking shits about desktop. They are just selling something not suitable for Naples to consumers. That's. Fucking. It.

>>59941556
But /g/ told me desktops are the biggest market

>>59941568
The only smaller market is IoT. And desktop is rapidly shrinking.

>>59928372
Intel shouldn't be fucking up like this though. They have so much capital at their disposal that they don't have any excuse for fuckups for fuckups like this.

I think all boards would be better with per thread IDs and flags.

>>59941599
Dude intel 4 core destroys amd 8 core right now they can fuck up whatever they want

>>59941590
IoT? Small?
Not only is it the newest meme, IoT is basically fucking everything from wearables to your fucking fridge and microwave.
That's not even mentioning all the slot devices, terminals, ATMs, cameras, sensors, set top boxes, cars etc etc

>>59941609
Nah, per board ID's so I can filter retards, shitposters and australians.

>>59941613
>in games xdddd
kill yourself

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Should have put money into your bread and butter instead of feminist frequency, diversity and fucking self driving memes..

>>59941599
Money =/= quality engineers. Also their CEO is a fucking retard.

>>59941656
I hope this mouthbreather doesn't get fired so I can see Intel roll in its own shit.
And even if they did lay him off finding another one that can compare to Lisa and fixing that faggots mess is gonna take time.

>>59940518
Maybe per clock cycle but the difference was minimal and the 4790k's stock speed was 700MHz higher. The 5775C has a better iGPU and 128MB of L4 cache but does 3.3GHz-3.7GHz base/turbo.

>>59939615
delid that cd/dvd case

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>>59941656

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>>59941764
Black bitch still looks better than poo guy

>>59941793
The poo guy is actually competent though.

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>>59941806
Then why does the cpus he makes perform worse than the cpus the black bitch makes?

>>59928352
For desktops you choose ryzen.

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>>59941793
But poo guy is one of the best GPU engineers on the planet

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6907/the-king-is-back-raja-koduri-leaves-apple-returns-to-amd

Here's Intel poo guy.

>>59941824
>Raja
>CPUs
One job, Ramesh. One fucking job.

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>>59941831
Lul no

>>59941824
>DirectX 11
Really makes you think

>>59941859
>obvious performance bug that requires a patch

HURR POOZEN BTFO

Kill yourself, retard.

>>59941874
JUST WAIT

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>>59941859
If your boss sees you posting Linux benchmarks you'll get fired immediately, Linux isn't ICC certified!

>>59941845
His best gpu, rx480 is 2 times slower than a $300 low end gtx 1070

>>59941887
>$1700 6950X

Oh my God

>>59941887
>$500 CPU is on par with $1700 one
Oy-vey another shoah.

>>59941903
Not everyone is a poor indian Raja

>>59941900
No, it's not.
And rx480 isn't his best GPU.

>>59941859
No one with any level of status would be playing some shit league of lol style game. Post some benchmarks that really matter, like cinebench.

>>59941900
Fuck this is getting TOO boring.

>>59941428
>No charts
>No graphs
>No links
>No evidence at all
Kill yourself, Intel shill.

>>59941921
>synthetic benchmark
>matters more than real world usage

I knew indians were retarded but not on this level

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>>59939075

>Does anyone ever uses laptop battery?
>Does anyone ever use a portable computer to actually be portable?

Oh my god.

>>59941915
Then I assume you'll have no trouble buying the 32 core Naples?

>>59941467
>Intel
>Just Wait(TM)
Hahahahahahahahaah fucking shekelchasers BTFO

>>59941936

JUST WAIT YOU DUMB FUCK!

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>>59941939
Not until they have better single core performance than a $20 pentium

>>59941481
>Day 0 benchmarks
Get with the times kike.

>>59941937
It matters if you're doing anything productive. More cores = more productivity. No one cares about your fps numbers.

>>59941915
>$500 CPU matching $1700 CPU in well threaded tasks while having 2 less cores.
>probably using less power too

>>59941966
>completely cropped FPS benchmark
You could not have tried any less.

>>59941972
Installing linux repedeatly isn't productive. It's what wannabe nerds bur actual losers do. Productive people edit videos and programmers work on games, where amd has no change against intel.

>>59941939
It's okay, maybe Skylake will have higher than Bulldozer IPC next year.

https://i.4cdn.org/g/1492408584618.png

>>59941824
You could link the video you got that from, but what fun would that be, shill? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbK0n5FjvhI

>>59941613
[Citation Needed]

>>59942006
They work on games and video editing using 4 cores.

I guess Intel's Xeons are literally finished

>>59942020
You just proved your cpu is shit, I don't expect indians to listen to a person talk so I'm just showing you the chart which your 70% poo 30% actual brain matter can understand

>>59941613
>xDDDDDDDDDDD

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>>59942006
Forgive this retard, for he knows not what he's speaking.

Just fucking stop replying to him. Got dammit what happened to this board. Shitposting used to be art.

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>Autistic people actually getting triggered and responding seriously to this retard
>In korean cartoon picture forum.

JUST!

>>59942057
Kill yourself.

>>59941824
>DX11
Kill yourself, shekelchaser

>>59942006
Do you hear yourself? Ryzen slams anything intel has to offer when it comes to video work. It's also the better choice for 3d modeling. And if you're programming games, you don't need anything more than a 486 and vim to write code so comparing performance of modern cpus is idiotic.

>>59942078

WAIT

>>59942097
GOY

>>59942071
Funny how you always compare amd 8 core flagship against intel's 4 core in multithreaded apps and compare it again against intel's 10 core in single threaded apps

>>59942104

CANNONLAKE

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>>59928372

>>59942105
Even a 1500x beats intel's flagship.

>>59930480
thank you Jim, thank you so much.

>>59942105
Missed the 6900k getting its ass blown or something?

What very convenient eyes.

>>59942090
No it doesn't. If you consider yourself a professional and need to edit videos, you can afford a 6950x which amd has no chance against. And if you want to game, good luck with your indian piece of shit against a 7700k lul

>>59942116

IS

>>59939964
Good goyim

>>59942144

ALMOST

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>>59942142
Just wait for Skylake bro, in the meantime buy our $1700 CPU that's as good as the competitors $500 one.

>>59942160
DEAD

>>59942142
If you consider yourself a professional you'll understand the importance of not wasting money.

>>59942160

BURNED

>>59942170

FUCK YOU!

>>59940000
>Intel will design and manufacture a whole new architecture in a year to compete

Yeah, just like that will cut the pricing of their $1100 6900K, to compete with a $330 1700 which is currently on par or beats it.

>>59942183
:)

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Seems like new batches are already doing their job.

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>>59942105

>>59942238
LIES

>>59942238
100-200MHz doesn't mean much to me, 200Mhz at crazy core counts for some VM deployments would be real fucking nice though.

>>59942238

HOW?

>>59942238
Oh, nice, I've seen 1500X at that voltage barely hitting 4.0, much less 4.3

>>59942246
I DON'T SEE A DELIDDED 7700K ON THERE GOY, DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE

>>59942259
This isn't new, Haswell overclocked like shit when it launched, only later did it consistently hit 4.5+

>>59942271
>7700k
>in a MT test
>against dual xeons and a 16 core Xeon-D

It would get clobbered

>>59942290

Fucking hell.
Looks like I need to JUST WAIT again.

>>59942290
First batch of OG Phenoms also OCed like total shit.

>>59942324
Yup, pretty much same for Polaris too.

>>59942238
Could be a combination of mobo BIOS and fab improvements.

Actually I'd bet its more due to the motherboard BIOS, some boards really go fucking overkill on the LLC shitting up voltages to insane levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ic5d5qAhBU

>>59942290
There is a teeny bar for single threaded performance on there, though.

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>>59942380
tl;dw version

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>>59942397
Well I guess for comparisons you can run some tests 4 times slower if you want..

Here's a ST only test though, the guy who does this doesn't even have a 7700k, he sells server hardware.

You can actually see a AWS server and Xeon Phi in comparisons in some tests

>>59942429
Come on, everyone knows single core is the only thing that matters. Forget IPC, TDP, cache, price, upgradeability, etc.

>muh clocks

>>59942429
>overclocking ryzens
>but not the Intels

How desperate can you get.

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>>59942461
>overclocking server hardware

>>59942461
That's the kernel version , smegmabreath.

>>59942461
>overclocking non-server hardware
>but not overclocking server hardware

>>59942461
>OC a server.
YOU NUTS!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2iriX0YJek

>>59942380
>>59942404
>Actually I'd bet its more due to the motherboard BIOS, some boards really go fucking overkill on the LLC shitting up voltages to insane levels.
Yep.
BIOS updates have allowed people to drop voltage like 0.05v or so.
So instead of 4.1ghz at 1.4v people are getting that are 1.35v much more commonly.
So you can up it to even higher clocks on 1.4v again instead.

>>59942461
What kind of clock is "4.10.1" ? It's the kernel version.


https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-linux-benchmarks-paying-for-speed/

>For our Ubuntu 14.04 with kernel 4.10.1 benchmarks we standardized on a very simple platform.

It's also on a $90 motherboard, people seem to love these B350 ones.

>>59942404
Does LLC vary by mobo or is it a CPU thing?

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>>59942461
>Intelshills are this stupid

>>59942552
Mobo, some are fine after OCing on any LLC, some are complete messes at the first 2 levels, some actually are reversed, so LLC1 is lower voltage than LLC5

New platforms really need some documentation, that's why I'll bide my time with this 3570k until Zen+

>>59942461
Are you fucking retarded?

You know what's a shame? This retarded clown with a very obvious posting style doesn't have a trip, if you put the dumb garbage he said over the last 5 weeks it would look that dumb tripshit that got his ass reamed look smart.