why isnt technology aesthetic anymore?

>>59916581

>Hello, hypothetical consumer, we are selling products:

>700 for n units of computer, or
>1000 for n units of computer, but it looks intangibly "nicer", for some definitions of nicer

> What would you like?

American society all agreed as a collective that they like option one better, except when option two is a status item like apple products are seen as, or luxury cars.

This is why you have planned obsolescence, ugly workhorse technology, airplane seats which are little coffins, and Walmart: it's what you really wanted.

>>59916678
my problem is that the some definitions of nicer that they make don't overlap with mine. This flat minimalism shit that's in today is not at all aesthetic.

Today everything is made to satisfy the taste(lessness) of the dumb masses.

See for instance the ugliness of modern German cars that are sold to tasteless Chinese neoveau rich plebs, dumb arabs, Russian criminals and oligarchs..., these cars all look like shit because the targeted customers love things that look like shit.

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>>59916581
Because Apple happened and set a trend of fucking atrocious designs normies love because it's being shoved down their throats 24/7 and they learned to love the taste of Jobs' necrotic cancer dicklet.

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>>59917354
Apple is one of the few tech companies making quality designs.

>>59916581

Has mess. Messy text. You know it's there, you can see it from a distance, but you have to go close up to read it.

Get rid of the tmi ui design and it would look better.

>>59916581
It is, just not to your tastes.

Moreover you can buy equipment that retains older aesthetics, but they're niche equipment so you pay a premium.

>>59917063
It was back then too...

>>59916581
The ubiquity of digital engineering happened. A piece of hardware used to be something special you took pride in but since everything that can possibly be recreated with ones and zeroes has been people don't really hold the same respect for it.

Also, people are wealthier and everything's cheaper and more abundant. Same thing happened to cars, clothing, tools and basically everything else.

>>59917647
Not since the war has that been true.
>bbut muh '50s/'60s/'70s equipment was made with pride and care, not at all as a throwaway item designed to be replaced with the newer model next year!
I beg to differ.

>>59917672
>I beg to differ.
you beg for cock, faggot.

I have an amp from the early 80s still working like it's pristine.

>>59917672
In no way am I some fedora-clad pseud jerking off the past because it's the past but it really is true.

People couldn't and wouldn't buy the new model of something every 3 years, you acquired something and it would likely be with you for life.

For my grandparents' wedding gift they got a washer and dryer and they STILL own it.

>>59916581
Because of 'le gamer RGB lights' and the paper thin device meme.

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>>59916844
Legitimate argument is. Using op's pic.

Redundant text: Headphone + Microphone
>Like we wouldn't know what the jack sockets are for
>like there couldn't be a diagram elsewhere for those instructions

Redundant text: Power on/off
>that would fucking stump me if that text wasn't there

Redundant text: All the EQ text
>bass, mid, high with numbers pulled out of ass from -10 to +10
>fucking lost without those numbers and which one could be which.

Redundant text: branding

Redundant text: 'tuning'
>gtfo
>it's so redundant, it's fucking miles away from the button

Back then people wanted stuff that boasted about everything it does. Now they want it to look good as well as function. All that redundant text looks like shit.

pic related
>better design
>implying design, partly as a functional way to also instruct how to use with minimal compromise
>could also be better

>>59917695
>the aesthetic of this thing tries too hard because it has colors
Fuck off

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>>59917711

>>59917683
In what way would that differ from amps now?
I have a 2004 amp, it still works fine.
It will still be working fine in 20 years time, save for the VFD will have probably gotten pretty dark (not that it's actually required either or irreplaceable)

I'd wager a new amplifier from a reputable brand would also stand the test of time too.

That's doesn't mean they aren't designed to replaced.
Lots of classic cars from the 50's are still around and working well - but 50's cars are the classic archtype of throw it away culture - a new style every year, so you have to keep buying to 'keep up with the Joneses'

I'm not saying that's bad, I have no issue with Capitalism, but to say that old amps are in someway better to newer amps (outside of subjective/'feels' reasons - style and general aesthetic is subjective) is falsehood.

>>59917719
emberassing

>>59917743
I dunno but my amp from 7 years ago has shit the bed

It just doesn't work. Sounds like it's full of sand

>>59917755
What is it?

>>59917743
>In what way would that differ from amps now?

Planned obsolescence. Manufacturors put in artificial breaking points, like parts on the circuit board that is not designed for certain voltages, so they end up shorting after a specific set of hours.

That shit only started happening on an industrial scale in the 90s and up.

>>59917770
>That shit only started happening on an industrial scale in the 90s and up.
It started happening in the 50's...

>>59917765
I forget. It was pretty standard though

Yamaha one retailed at a couple hundred bucks

>>59917785
Different industries felt it earlier than others. You're right in that the car-industry, for example, started way earlier.

Maybe because the electronic appliance industry was so new, it took longer before they started pulling that shit. Perhaps they wanted to build a certain confidence and dependence in their industry before doing it.

>>59917743
Many older main brand amps are objectively better due the stereo wars in the 1970's. Back when it was all about MUH WATTS and MUH MINIMAL DISTORTION before they started cutting corners.

A Pioneer SX-1080 beats a modern Pioneer Home Theater receiver.

Though part of that stuff has to do with the death of many good high voltage parts and low distortion fets in the manufacturing sector in the last twenty years or so. The death of CRT's took a lot of ancillary stuff with it.

Another ten years and most decent through hole stuff of all kinds will likely be gone too. Fucking sucks for the electronics hobbyist.

>>59916581
was Akai a good brand? My grampa has this sort of stuff with a vinyl player in his room

>>59917857
In 10 years there probably won't be any Tripath chips left either...
DDX or bust apparently for the cheap and cheerful hobbiest amp.

>>59917862
Yes, Japanese brands all suffered with Asian Economic Crises of the early 90's

>>59917809
I'm pretty sure you can fix it. Very often those kind of electronics just need blown capacitors changed in order to keep working.

>>59917709
>they
You're and idiot, Harry

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Notice how most of the technology with good aesthetics is specialised hardware? Now what has become more common recently?

>>59916581
Because you're a contrarian purposefully living in a rose-tinted vision of the past and only seeing the present for the low-end. There's plenty of high-quality shit you can buy today, but you don't want any of that, instead you want cheap vomit boxes to put on your hip IKEA particle board trash while you bitch about how terrible it is.

>>59916678
And this is very true as well. Manufacturers don't care to go the extra mile for something the average consumer even on /g/ will berate and shit on as "overpriced" if it's even slightly more expensive than something else with the same spec sheet, and throw in the trash as soon as the next biggest thing™ comes along.

I fucking hate wrong generation faggots.

>>59917636

Nah, back then there was real technological progress passed down to the customer with every generation. However since the 90s/early
2000s this has been replaced with meme-progress for marketing purposes.

>>59918406
>not buying old high quality for the price of new low quality and getting something that looks great in the process

>>59918406
>There's plenty of high-quality shit you can buy today, but you can't afford any of that

Fixed for brevity, /g/ likes to fish crackly radiators out of the dumpster and justify their poverty by talking shit about vague stuff they've never listened to because the fanciest thing they can think of is Bose-tier

If I was dirt broke I'd probably do the same thing

>>59917448
>glass to the very edge
>the lightest drop shatters it
>quality design

>>59917709
>bass, mid, high with numbers pulled out of ass from -10 to +10
those are decibels, you retarded inbred

Everything is made in china now, for the cheapest possible costs.

>>59917709
>All that redundant text looks like shit.
Cue 10,000 neckbeards raging that you must be stupid because you don't like having 50 extra knobs and connectors that are completely pointless
>my crackling dumpster dive "find" says "tape deck" so it must be better than new stuff that I can't afford

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Retro devices look much nicer for way less money than modern devices. They can also be fun projects, replaced all of the capacitors on the bottom one to get it working

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>>59918835
No, poorfag NEET. Just everything YOU can afford.

>There is only one company which cares about design. It is an American company. It is Apple.

- Dieter Rams

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I admit that I am stuck in the past when it comes to design. The designs from the past look more calculated to me. Like I can imagine a master designer, with a good sense of aesthetics, going through countless iterations until he comes up with the perfect design. Thinking consciously whether he should include an element or not.

And now, even though I know it's not like that, it looks to me like the designer just goes with the first thing that came into his mind.

Back then technology used to be about electric engineering, discrete, repairable components, hardware controls and cables, designed for an analog world.

Now it's about software running in a literal solid mass of electronics whose circuits are so integrated the only thing you can do is throw it out if any problems occur.

>>59919427
>pay $190 to have your rattly finicky Seiko SNK repaired
>have to wait 6 weeks and fill the city's water treatment facilities with hazardous waste from the ultrasonic cleansers and 60 different kinds of lubricant for ONE movement
OR
>buy another Seiko SNK for $65 that was produced in a giant factory that used 1/600th the amount of cleansers and lubricants because of economies of scale

The thing you dumb ass wrong decade fags seem to forget is that your mental illness doesn't make doing things the stupid way less of a waste.

>>59919456
>our new computer is 5% more energy efficient
>a factory in China eats 5 times more energy as old model computers running would consume for another 5 years

>>59918986
Very nice.

>>59919517
>this old crackly radiator only cost me $5
>plus it voided my parents' homeowners insurance and burned the house down costing them $790k but the important thing is that I didn't get screwed by the yellow jew

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So what is some recent technology you find appealing?

>>59919636
>living in a cardboard house
>using electric radiators
>used electric goods cost less than a big mac
Ha, spotted an amerishart!

>>59919654
>AZERTY

>>59919654
definitely not that failed product

>>59919673
>electronic amplifiers are bad
What do they use in the third world? Cow horns?

>>59919734
How did it fail?

>>59919756
how was it a success?

>>59919972
How would you define success?

>>59920003
people buying the product.

>>59920041
People did buy it. Anyways popularity doesn't necessarily say something about the quality of the product.

>>59920079
you could put plane wings on a car, and use high quality parts to build it, but that doesn't make it a good product.

>>59920134
Okay?

>>59916581
Technology used to be designed by smart people for smart people. Now it's all just retards.

>>59917448
I'd say that this used to be true. Apple from mid-90s until 2013 or so made some aesthetically pleasing (albeit flawed) designs. However, the aluminum and glass trademark of theirs has become generic and tired. Not to mention they are a disgusting corporation that manufactures the absolute bare minimum and markets it as premium.

>>59917770

It's less that they put them in then they changed the budget.

A cheap resistor might be a few cents. An expensive one might be double.

A design that's less fault tolerant might need 50 resistors, one that is more fault tolerant might need 60, meaning it's about 13% more expensive in a world where all you need are resistors.

If people prefer paying ~50-60% more to cover the expense of this fault tolerant design and to compensate that they won't be buying a replacement than they do about buying one, then needing a replacement in 2 years, then you save the money and build them the crap they want.

>>59922124
There's that, but there's also the fact that /g/ is mostly in their teens and 20s, so the recent history of capacitor plague strongly affects their attitude towards the idea of paying more for quality

Even fairly good gear in the mid 2000s was failing at an alarming rate though no fault of the manufacturer. This was a problem for computers too, but people are more willing to forget fucky behavior on a computer that's supposed to be replaced with newer and better in five years. Whereas with an amp, if it goes bad in five years you're probably going to be mad

As a result today's youth think that there was some globalist jewish conspiracy to make their stuff break, even though 2017 audio gear is pretty much amazing as long as you're buying real stuff and not some sherwood 16 channel garbage amp from Best Buy

>>59922124
>>59922250
>>59917770
>>59917743
The problem is you children and liberals think Chinks are remotely competent at making hardware.

The decline of quality is because of Chink made garbage.

>>59922377
t. cleetus posting from his china-made facebook machine

>>59917448
minimalism is the dislike of waste

nothing apple makes is minimalist

>>59922388
Except not. Go out of my way to avoid Chinkshit and it pays off. If I have to buy Chinkshit I try to make sure it's assembled in Chinkland with Jap parts.

>>59922388
>haha that guy saying chink manufacturing is shite is probably using a shite chink machine

Checkmate, Atheists.

>>59922452
>I don't buy chinkshit except when I do
LŒL

>>59922511
Nice paraphrasing skills, bucko. You got me!

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But it is.

>>59922558
Yes, it is shit.

>>59917746
>emberrasing
don't make me berry my dick inside your asshole

>>59918994
lifetime transferable waranty

>>59917448

My 18 year old has gone through a fuckton of iPods Touch and iPhones since she started buying her own phones and shit -only 6 months ago-. Prior to that our rule was "you can have any phone you want as long as is ain't made by Apple".

Three weeks ago she set her phone on her keyboard and it slid off and hit the floor. That's only a 2' 5" drop from the keyboard to the floor.

The screen shattered yet again.

Meanwhile, my 13 year old son has one of my old Android phones he uses to take pics and vids with and listens to his collection of Detroit techno tunes. It's an old LG Optimus T I got for free from T-Mobile back in 2011. It's been through hell. It was dropped from a moving car, dropped in the toilet too many times to remember, went flying from my backpack and tumbled across the asphalt once while running across the parking lot at work 'cause I was late for my 8am meeting. The screen is still 100% intact without so much as a crack.

The phone I replaced the Optimus with is a Galaxy S4G (T959V) and same thing: In all these years of owning it it has a single crack on the chrome bezel but not a crack on the screen.

>>59917672

There's still a lot of old Curtis Mathis console TV's in use because the picture is clear as fuck and they were built to last forever. Personally, I dumped a bunch of IBM G97 monitors I had for cheap not because they stopped working, but because I had to scale down the size of my environment to fit in an apartment. I bought them in 2001 and owned them for 15 years. The guy I sold 'em to got 4 monitors in pristine working order for a song.

I know people that haven't bought a fridge since Jimmy Carter was in office.

Shit used to be built to last.

>>59918406
>>59918684

The essence of what you're saying is right, but you're missing the point.
We know there's nice-looking high quality stuff still out there, but now it costs a premium. Whereas "back in the day", it didn't. Company A and Company B both make a product that does X and costs Y. The difference is Company A is greedy and full of shit and doesn't give a fuck about the buyer, and is only in it for the money. Company B was founded because B's CEO really just wanted to make X because it's his passion and he rejoices in his heart to see people using a better X than the competition can/wants to. B doesn't want to overcharge you, they're not in it for the money. As long as they can pay their employees and keep the lights on and go on vacation once in a while, they're happy. They make shit better because they realize that if they were buying X they'd want it made properly.

We no longer have many Company Bs in 2017.

>>59923276
You're pushing it when you get to post war like that anon said. When everything went away from cast iron to plastics.

The shit you listed as examples were also extraordinarily expensive new.

>>59923346
It's never been a better time to be "company B". The shit is out there. Just stay away from chink shit. It's been said ITT already.

>>59923379
It's funny you say that because a lot of "chink shit" has, in my experience, been pretty damn good for the price.

Xiaomi and OnePlus in particular seem to make shit that's legitimately built for users to enjoy, and not priced ludicrously.

>>59923124
I haven't dropped my phone (s4) in the toilet or let somebody drive over it but, but I have used it when it was raining hard and I have dropped it like 20 to 30 times on stone and wood floor and the only thing that is worn out is the cheap fake aluminium

are all android phones like this or is it only phones with plastic shells? just wondering since I want to get a zuk 2 pro eventually

>>59923395
I don't know what either of those chink companies are.

I know of no Chink company that makes a non shit product.

>>59923395
can you recommend anything A E S T H E T I C from a chink company that is iphone 6/7 or google pixel sized?

>>59923395
There's no sense in arguing with these people. They found the one out of 500 specimens made 40 years ago that wasn't complete dogshit and for some reason made it to 2017. 40 years ago manufacturing was more local, all around. Therefore, logically, it follows from this one specimen that the chinese are why I can't get a jerrrrb as the CEO of Blizzard because of my 500 hours a month spent playing video games in my boxer shorts

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I love how Google appeals to nerds and technologi interested.

>>59923437
OnePlus 3T isn't much bigger than a Pixel

>>59918654
The old shit, like OP's pick, is usually pretty fucking ugly

>>59918986
Man you're just stuck in the medieval age

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Yamaha still makes high end stuff that looks like stuff they made in the 70s and early 80s.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-components/amps/a-s1100_g/?mode=model

or

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-components/amps/a-s501/?mode=model

would not look out of place with pic related, which was made in the 70s.

>>59919180
>those annoying crevices

i like the squareness, but those fucking crevices man

>>59923465

>pajeetposting

>>59923124
>B-BUT MUH CHILLUNS
jesus christ keep this stupid fucking norman nonsense out of /g/

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>>59923554
Yeah, they look totally the same except the new one has
>no shitty fake wood finish
>actual ventilation
>pointless obsolete shit like low pass filters ("noise reduction") removed
>largest knob is volume, as it should be
>can be coupled with a modern digitally tuned FM/AM/HD receiver that can actually pick out a signal worth a shit instead of manually hunting around with a fussy knob that's probably corroded to hell and you don't know if it's a mechanical problem, a bad cap, bad antenna placement, or what
>comes with a warranty and a remote
>comes with an onboard DAC because it's not fucking 1974 anymore
>doesn't need to have all its caps torn out and replaced
>actual, sensible input selectors
But yeah, old stuff is good *tips fedora*

>>59923543
Still works great

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>>59923554

When I was in high school in the late 80's, Sony, Aiwa, Panasonic, and Yamaha started making these amazing looking/sounding bookshelf stereo systems. Aesthetically pleasing, good sounding, and would still look good in your home office or bedroom today. Pic related was the one I had (definitely what it looked like, but might not have been that exact model here in The States). I saved up money from my McBurgertown job and bought it and would zone out every day after school to some Too $hort, Derrick May, or Wes Montgomery on this thing.

Somewhere in the mid 90's bookshelf systems went from these pleasing units to cheap, craptastic monstrosities with as many flashing lights as the manufacturers could cram into them and horrid speakers run by the shittiest amps not found at a flea market.

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We need tech that looks like this. This is aesthetic as fuck

>>59923472
>OnePlus 3T
very nice phone, but really, pixel size is the absolute most my little handlet hands can handle, I really don't wanna go over that

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>>59923757
>Somewhere in the mid 90's bookshelf systems went from these pleasing units to cheap, craptastic monstrosities with as many flashing lights as the manufacturers could cram into them and horrid speakers run by the shittiest amps not found at a flea market.

Like all the other wrong decade fedoras in this thread, you're wrong about that too

What happens with all consumer tech is that cheaper stuff comes out that copies elements of a good product, and people who aren't savvy shoppers mistake "the first thing I saw when I walked into a shitty store" with the only possible options

There were perfectly decent tabletop systems available in the 90s, if you had been around then you'd remember

>>59923855

Dude... I worked at in the Home Audio department Best Buy from 1994 to 1996. I SOLD those crappy monstrosities. AIWA had some of our biggest sellers... Those things had enough flashing lights to cause an epileptic seizure and they sounded like utter shit.

We couldn't keep those things in stock for shit.

Every college kid had to have a bookshelf system like these and because my store sat in an area with a Big 10 university, a Pac 10 university, and several smaller private colleges there was no shortage of students to snatch up the latest of these monstrosities.

Sure there were companies that still made nice looking/sounding bookshelf systems, but they were no longer the norm as it was in the late 80's. Shit tier companies like Fisher tried to get in on it but their offering in that space was an absolute joke that only trailer trash whites and the lowest ghetto blacks would buy.

>>59923997
>Every college kid had to have a bookshelf system like these
And before that, those kids would have had nothing, or they would have dumpster dived, because a decent speaker system was somewhat of an investment
>but they were no longer the norm as it was in the late 80's.
Because in the late 80s, a household would have ONE speaker setup, most likely in the living room. Fast forward to the 2000s and the idea of having a "battlestation rig" and a "garage speaker system" wasn't so crazy anymore because of the wide availability of these cheap ass systems with LEDs and testarossa style air scoops

But people who cared about stuff could, and still can, get decent gear

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they actually stole design from Braun

>>59924048
> or they would have dumpster dived

They would have gone to a pawn shop or thrift store.

>>59924515
Yes. Like I said before: dumpster dived.

>>59923724
The "amplifier" in the picture in the post that you responded to doesn't have a large ass volume knob because it is a tuner you fucking mongoloid. You hook it up to an amplifier . >>59923855
Never mind, I guess someone is mad that their black plastic crap doesn't sound nearly as good as they thought it would.

>>59924557
>waah waah nobody liked my vintage fedora-tipping dumpster crap
Sorry, not sorry
>Never mind, I guess someone is mad that their black plastic crap doesn't sound nearly as good as they thought it would.
Actually my black plastic stand-alone digital tuner blows away any tuner I've ever used, and I'm speaking as someone who listens to actual radio on a daily basis for almost 40 years

Now stamp your feet and whine that I'm old so my hearing must be shot, it's your only recourse now that someone who actually was around when your dumpster "find" was manufactured has corrected your dumb opinions

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>>59924048

No, before that they would have had a boombox like the majority of the kids I went to college with. Shit, I left my nice system at home and bought a Sony CFD-750 boombox a month after I got to the dorms. I got a store credit card from Hudson's and my only purchase was that boombox (at $300 it maxed out my credit limit). Everyone that had music in their room had a boombox small or large. Only only one kid I knew had a nicer bookshelf system and his family had money.

Pic related, my boombox I bought in 1990 except I had the CFD-750 which was the version without the remote control.

>>59920167
What he's saying is, you posted a shit phone with a keyboard layout nobody should be using by now, and you like it simply because it's different.

>>59924595
>>59924557
btw here's a performance analysis of my cheap blast plastic "crap", read it and weep dumpster boy

http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/xdr-f1hd.htm

>>59924595
>I'm speaking as someone who listens to actual radio on a daily basis for almost 40 years
Yeah, okay, kid. No one who is in their 50s or older uses the phrase "sorry, but not sorry". It's only a phrase used by teenage girls and faggots(i.e. you).

You and that one guy who doesn't know what an amplifier is or does always come to these threads to shit on them. I'm glad that the thought of someone enjoying something you don't absolutely ruins your day. <|:^)

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>>59924648
>and you like it simply because it's different

No. I like it because it has a good keyboard that is satisfying to type on. A big 1:1 display that makes web browsing enjoyable a fluid and intuitive OS and good battery life.

Lastly this thread is about aesthetics and it's one of the best looking phones ever.

Should I go buy this Toshiba T3100 from goodwill for $15
it boots to DOS 3.2 and had like four dead columns.

>>59924599
Maybe my perspective is skewed because the school I went to was hooked up to a music school so a lot of the kids I knew had good gear. One guy had the Mission setup in my last pic, another had amazing headphones way before headphones were considered "cool", another had a pair of huge JBL towers.

The other kids largely didn't really bother with audio gear because we (I'm including myself) were content to just listen to other people's systems.
>>59924733
But I'm not in my 50s. I know when you're a child a 20 year old looks like a 30 year old looks like a 90 year old but when you're an adult these differences are more noticeable. Then again I can't tell what grade kids are in anymore, so there's that. Sorry, not sorry :^)

>>59924048
>testarossa style air scoops
I like you.

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Can you post a more aesthetic Hi-Fi system?

>>59924917
NuPrime makes fairly aesthetic stuff.

Personally I really like how Parasound stuff looks but I am biased as an owner.

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>>59924917
Also that tv.

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Some cool stuff still gets designed, but it's all expensive as hell so you never see any of it.

I'll post some.

>>59918051
I hate this gif for one reason. Please show me the fax function on a MacBook.

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>>59925027

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>>59925039

>>59924829

Yeah. You gotta remember in the late 80's everybody had a boombox... even if it was a shitty one. Those of us that were in high school around then took ours to school with us. The only thing that I did differently was I was really into music and wanted something better, so I got the bookshelf system for my room. The boombox I bought really was overkill for my dorm room and it got me in a lot of trouble with the RA's because that was back when Sony's "MegaBass" actually meant something. A DJ Magic Mike CD or LL Cool J's "Boomin System" would actually produce loud and low bass that could be heard down the hall.

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>>59925061

>>59917448
you sniffed too many of your own farts

>>59918994
>Canada

I'll take chinks all day any day

I bet you have an iPhone too, thinking it's "murrican"

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>>59925097

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>>59916581
Don't upgrade

Pic related. Was my dads for 30 years. Will be mine until i die.
Will get a fiio e10k to supplement it.

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>>59925188

>>59925084
>You gotta remember in the late 80's everybody had a boombox..
Not really. My brother had one but I didn't like it. I only listened on my family's main system (B&W/Denon setup) or on my headphones.

But we didn't listen to LL Cool J or shit like that, I grew up in a classical listening family. My brother was the rebel, listening to Def Leppard and intolerable stuff like that.

>>59918803
Just because a piece of tech isn't meant to be fucking dropped on the floor doesn't mean it isn't sexy af, you stupid mong

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>>59925204

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>>59925262

>>59924829
You just said you were listening to radio for 40 years you underage fag. Listening to radio isn't some sort of achievement, as it is played almost everywhere. To remember the shit that I was posting, you would have to be would have to be born in at least 1973. and even then that's a stretch, because that tuner was produced in 1976-1978, so you wouldn't even be able to remember how it sounded like when it was brand new, because no toddler pays attention to that crap.

If by some bullshit miracle, you are telling the truth, you are ~44 years old, and even if I was retarded enough to believe your claim that you were alive when this shit was brand new, which to have a good coherent memory of it would require you to be somewhere around 50 years old, then it would be pretty pathetic of you to post here while contemplating pulling the plug on your mother to finally know what it feels like to own the basement that you live in. Sort your life out kiddo.

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Will fun, colorful designs make a comeback?

>would you like piano black?
no
>would you like brushed aluminum?
no
>there aren't any other options

>>59925320
>You just said you were listening to radio for 40 years
I said almost, do you know what "almost" means?
> Listening to radio isn't some sort of achievement
Neither is tricking yourself into thinking crackly dumpster crap is good
>If by some bullshit miracle, you are telling the truth, you are ~44 years old
Not too far off
>pathetic of you to post here while contemplating pulling the plug on your mother to finally know what it feels like to own the basement that you live in. Sort your life out kiddo.
From the way you just went from 0-100 seems like maybe you're the one with some life issues, maybe you should talk to someone offline about this?

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>>59925339

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>>59925366
We're all in agreement that matte black is the best right?

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>>59925221
>no LL cool J
>Def Leppard intolerable

you, sir, are an infidel...

>>59925221
>Claims to only like classical
>Calls everyone in this thread a fedora tipper
Okay buddy.

>>59925480
I was only exposed to classical growing up. We don't get to pick our parents, but I gather this triggers some people? Sorry, not sorry.

I listen to plenty of other stuff now, but "mega bass" was not, and will never be, a priority for me. I do listen to a fair amount of pipe organ and hindustani classical, so while I do appreciate LF extension, it needs to be reasonably flat otherwise it's like fingernails on the chalkboard.

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>>59925339
Garbage. I mean real fucking garbage
>>59925285
CD walkman is better in everyway.
>>59925262
>big ass console turn tables
Please I hope this shit never makes a comeback.
>>59925204
>>59925188
Ism't the nickname for this trash "dyson styling" or something now?
>>59925097
Good formfactor that is still used.
>>59925061
?
>>59925039
A hipster pen?

>>59925032
Replaced by email, but I get your point, the fagbook can't spit out paper and therefore ain't a solution to real fax features.
What triggers me the most is that it went from Apple to IBM to Apple again instead of using a PowerBook Duo.

>>59925419
>I said almost, do you know what "almost" means?
Wow, you really are a mongoloid. You can't do basic math, and you're still a lying underageb& fag.
>Neither is tricking yourself into thinking your crackly dumpster crap is good
Not my fault you can't clean out a potentiometer
>Not too far off
Doesn't matter since you're an underageb& larper
>From the way you just went from 0-100 seems like maybe you're the one with some life issues, maybe you should talk to someone offline about this?
Says the """""40 something""""" year old who comes into every one of these threads to try and shit on people who are into something that he doesn't like.

>>59925634
The thing is a lot of the functionalities of fax (the main one being a proof of sending) are now fulfilled by scanmailing things, so if this guy wants a paper trail, he'd still have a printer-scanner.

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>>59925285
I have a feeling the Walkman will make a comeback.

>current administration lets RIAA and other music copyright groups buttfuck/takeover digital music biz.
>forces shift back to physical media, either sanctioned loadable drives or album cards.

I've been lurking /cyb/ too much

Mostly because modern aesthetics look like shit.

>>59925655
>waah waah why doesn't everyone love vacuuming rotten coffee grounds off a circuit board and spraying noxious chemicals all over rusted pots for a hobby
To each his own, but I like audio equipment for its ability to reproduce sound effectively, not because it gives me another timesink hobby, I've got enough of those already

>>59925476
He probably doesn't even know who LL cool J is because he's not old enough to, and his opinion on Def Leppard was formed because he found his dad's old concert shirt and just hates it like he hates his dad.

>>59925441
Either matte black or clean beige.

>>59925732
Your flaw is implying that there's so much shit to do on these, like cleaning out a pot takes more than a $4 dollar bottle of contact cleaner, and also implying that technology has advanced so far that sound quality has improved, which you said that you can't even hear in >>59924595. Also, don't you have an Easter egg hunt to get ready for or something?

I wish minidiscs were still around. I really liked the format. Physical media is kind of a chore to carry around though once you get a bunch of it.

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>>59925730
It's like their goal is to design something that makes you want to kill yourself. This is the top rated TV from rtings atm.

>>59925757
No, I just don't think he's very good, not that I'm claiming to be a rap expert. I like Public Enemy, Digital Underground, NAS, 2Pac, Biggie Smalls, and a few others, but I discovered those by accident when my friend gave me his old thumb drive and was too lazy to wipe it.

I like just about everything my dad likes, although I am not as enthusiastic about Italian opera or Estonian composers as he is. My dad has pretty great taste in music.

Def Leppard is crap though. And you're really mad, sorry not sorry that I don't like your shitty '''''music''''' or crackly dumpster finds :^)

>>59925820
>>59923554
>Natural sound AM/FM stereo tuner Ct-810
>Amplifier
Okey dokey, m80.

>>59925521

I'm just fuckin with you.

My bookshelf system was far better for classical than the CFD750. Having said that, Telarc had a couple of classical CD's that were used extensively to test the low end on home and car audio systems, most notably "Time Warp". In my CFD750 it would rattle my suitemate's desk and would definitely get a knock at the door from the RA.

"you're showing off the CD again anon???"

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>>59925830
I'm not nitpicking here either. This one of the top selling blu ray players on bestbuy.com. It looks like it wmade from one of the playdough molds.

>>59925569
lmao i can gather all i need to know about the value of your opinion from the girl you posted m8

>>59925821
>and also implying that technology has advanced so far that sound quality has improved
It depends on what you mean by "sound quality", but yeah, mostly, it has improved. Try listening to a Telarc or BIS recording from the 90s or later, and compare that to some shitty DG album from the 1970s. Night and day difference, of course you have to have the gear for it, I don't know how it would sound on your crackly distortion radiators and tbqh I'd rather not know.

As for the stand-alone plastic tuner, we're talking radio broadcasts, the weakest link will always be the reception. With modern tuners like the xdr-f1hd, the reception issue is no longer the biggest concern and you start getting nitpicky about encoding. So yeah, you can bitch and moan about how radio isn't as good as CD, but then again, you listen to fucking Def Leppard so what difference does it make anyway? It's just wall of sound crap that sounds like ass.

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>>59925714
Do you think that looks good? I mean it doesn't look terrible but it looks like a chair.

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>>59925887
More modern design.
>>59925890
It's from a movie my underage fellow.

>>59925883
just to note anon, I'm not this poster >>59925480

I'm this one >>59925476
>>59925084
>>59924599
>>59923997
>>59923757

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>>59925887
I am really not a fan of these texture trends.

>>59925932
I didn't know it was a trend. Wow. First 9/11 now that, the 2000s just get shittier.

>>59925929
Yeah I can tell. You seem pretty level headed. The other guy seems to have some personal issues.

>>59925906
Sorry m8, I don't listen to dad rock, nor do I listen to your fedora tipping classical. Truth is, for the most part, 90's mastering was shit, look up "Sound Wars" to learn what non autists have to deal with. >>59926196 Once again, you came into the thread swinging, calling everything I posted garbage and calling me a fedora tipper for liking old shit and I'm pretty sure you do this every time there's a vintage thread because you always jump the gun and call everyone a fedora tipping autist and act like you're cool, calm and collected. I just swung back, and I'm the one with "personal issues" in your mind, that's sound reasoning right there. You could have just wrote "I like new stuff better, but to each his own", but instead you flame hard and get mad when someone disses you back. Face it, you're a turbo autist on a board of autists.

>>59926357
It's garbage because it was literally fished out of the garbage, how much more of a factual statement can you get?

As for the "personal issues", I came here to talk about audio gear, and you're bringing up all kinds of personal baggage about pulling the plug on your mom and finding your dad's old T-shirts. Nice attempt at "swinging back" but try staying at least somewhat on topic.

Also nice sage, you're definitely not mad I can tell :^)

The aesthetic just changed mate.

>>59926522
You act like you're above me, but you were the one who attacked me (You literally called me a fedora tipper in your first post, and a ton of other shit) and you keep responding to me. Also, some of this stuff is worth and sells for more than your net worth and mine combined, so clearly there is a demand for it, but whatever helps you deal with your personal issues ;^).

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Minimalist Design

>>59926700
It's a throwaway 4chan insult, if you're still this assblasted over the word "fedora" maybe you should reconsider your choice of websites to talk about your hobbies on, because this one is going to send you to the loony bin.

Now, do you want to continue with your elaborate guesses about my parents, or shall we continue to talk about audio?

>>59926905
That isn't "Minimalist Design" that is minimalist. Least amount of parts to make a turn table.

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I am glad that there will always be Thinkpads for people who want an aesthetic laptop at a low price.

>>59926928
Not him but to most oldfags the word "fedora" is associated to hipster and fake hobbiests. Basicly the in crowd.

I'd say you're gen y. Maybe an underage millennial but no older.

>>59916581
it is, but unlike 35 years ago, it's feasible to mass produce cheap gadgets which makes a lot more money.
if there were 3 models of audio receivers in the catalog, and they all looked nice, today there are 200, and only the top few compare to the old ones.

>>59926928
An insult is an insult, but look it's okay man. Since you and I clearly have "personal issues" maybe we can get us a two for one deal for self authoring. I can write about how I had to pull my mother off of life support and you can write about how back in the day your parents blew your inheritance on Hi-fi gear, and then gave it to your glam metal blasting, IROC Camaro driving brother instead of you.

>>59927009
>fedora = hipster
Sure, ok. That's really helpful, thanks for correcting me
>I'd say you're gen y. Maybe an underage millennial but no older.
Because I use 4chan lingo on 4chan? Epic fail, anon. Epic fail.

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>epic aesthetic meme
Fucking teenagers and heir fads. Teenagers from a few years ago were all
>Woooow neo 80s i love synthwave and electric basses
Now the new batch sucks the wide jap letter encoding aesthetic like a bunch of sheep while whining about aesthetics when they use to write that the latest devices and technology.

You fucks wouldn't last a day in the late 80s and 90s.

>>59926905
>straight tonearm
>not S arm

enjoy your accelerated groove burn and sonic quality issues.

>>59927084
>Because I use 4chan lingo on 4chan? Epic fail, anon. Epic fail.
Post 07 slang isn't 4chan slang anymore. You're talking about facebook and reddit after that point, kiddo.

>>59927066
We only had Japanese cars though. Also I just went back to my earliest post in this thread and the word "fedora" is nowhere to be seen. In fact someone else used it before me, and I see a lot of insults getting thrown around before I joined. Maybe you're actually mad at someone else and just taking it out on me. Which poster hurt you, anon?

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>>59927106
Tonearm shape is irrelevant.

>>59917709
That would be much nicer in silver, I hate that everything has to be black or brushed aluminium now
>there will never be another steel cased anything

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>>59927324
Your utter lack of interest in what's available now isn't a reflection on what is or is not available now

Any other misconceptions you'd like to post?

>>59918051
I still have an actual clock, actual phone (no fax though), notepad and pens and a phsyical address book in my home office though. I hate having to pick up your phone for everything. I wear watches as well, cause it takes half a second to check a wristwatch, whereas a phone has to be removed from the pocket then replaced.

>>59927000
>plastic
>aesthetic
>ever

>>59927357
One amp that isn't ugly as sin doesn't change the standard designs that are all piano black and are covered in a fresh inch of dust every day.

>>59927357
Also that's really nice and I would buy one if my Pioneer bookcase system from 1991 wasn't still working perfectly

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>>59927410
>the standard designs
What did he mean by this?

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>>59927433
>What did he mean by this?
Not made by a few boutique manufacturers? Show me something from Toshiba or Panasonic that looks like that.

>>59927357
>>59927433
These looks boring.

>>59916581
>stereo hi fi PA with only one vumeter
literally pleb tier

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>>59927451
>boutique
Because of the price you mean? Ok here's something cheaper. I don't understand your fixation on Zaibatsu-size megacorporations, obviously any company that size is going to pump out a lot of stuff that isn't tasteful, and maybe sometimes a few things that are tasteful.

>>59925339
I actually miss transparant plastic in my consumer goods, I still use a PS1 Dualshock with my PS4 (though an adapter obviously) because transparent PS4 controllers are extremely expensive.

>>59927112
Wait, are you a burger? I don't want to keep on bringing up age, but if you are the age you said you were, your family surely must of owned an American car or some sort of grey market import sold under an American name in your lifetime.

Even if you're European, you're family must of owned at least one car that was made in the country you lived in in your lifetime.

I thought that I'd be done by now, but that statement really applied power to my cashews.

Inb4 you lived in Nippon, I ain't buyin' that shit nigga.

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>>59927518
> one VU meter
> labeled Tuning
> balance dial
Go be a dumb cunt somewhere else.

>>59927545
>your family surely must of owned an American car
???? why?
>Inb4 you lived in Nippon
For like a year, inb4 I'm making this up. I don't even remember if we had a car in Japan, I was pretty young

>>59927527
>Because of the price you mean?
Partially, I also mean because they're tiny companies that make a very specialized product that caters to a select few super autists. That particular cambridge amp is like $700 for example, and the line runs up to around $1500.
>I don't understand your fixation on Zaibatsu-size megacorporations
because they're the ones shipping the most consumer goods, and by default set what most will look like, purely by force of numbers.

>>59927518
fuck me thats a radio and the vus is actually the tuning

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>>59927542
Some recent tech with translucent design.

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>>59927590
Fine, here's a cheaper one
>because they're the ones shipping the most consumer goods
Ugh, you're like those people who go "waah waah why aren't watches all hand made in Switzerland and cost six month's salary for a working man"

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>>59927602
That's okay I guess, but the problem with phones is that there really aren't that many discrete components. Compare and contrast with a dualshock, with multiple boards and the rumble motors. It's much more interesting

>>59927617
>$200 refurbished, $800 new
>cheap
I'm not saying every peice of consumer equipment should be an aesthetic masterpiece, but it also shouldn't be a piano black blob of plastic and dust

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>>59927633
Look a transparent camera.

>>59927658
This I like, do they do non-disposable ones?

>>59927669
It's not disposable.

>>59927688
It looks like a disposable camera though, do they do transparent DSLRs?

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>>59927653
>$800 new
>for a 351A
I'm sorry you live in Svalbard where the dealer markup is 250%, but that isn't most people's reality

At any rate, I'm really not seeing where you're coming from here on the "piano black blob of plastic and dust", other than maybe McIntosh I can't think of anyone who does that consistently

>>59927700
No.

>>59927714
>google 351A
>click shopping
>post about results
Sorry I don't have a direct line to the fucking manufacturer outlet.
>At any rate, I'm really not seeing where you're coming from here on the "piano black blob of plastic and dust", other than maybe McIntosh I can't think of anyone who does that consistently
Literally every major manufacturer that makes more than one product?

>>59927357
>>59927433
>>59927527
>>59927617
>>59927714

>ONKYO
Made in Chinkland garbage, pal.

>>59927714
I think he's talking about AV receivers, which are the most popular modern audio equipment, and if you walk into best buy or whatever, all of them are the cheapest black plastic imaginable, unless you go over $1000, where most of them are black metal with some plastic.

>>59927761
Those don't count, 2 channel stereo is the only thing worthy of discussion. Anything more than 2 is, by definition, garbage, and belongs in the dumpster. No matter if it's $250 or $5000, it's garbage. Two ears. Two channels. Stereo. Nothing else is music.

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>>59918654
That's exactly what I do myself, and I appreciate it instead of bitching about how shit from my childhood looked better.
>>59923346
>We know there's nice-looking high quality stuff still out there, but now it costs a premium. Whereas "back in the day", it didn't.
Fuck yeah it cost a premium, my man. You just think it didn't because different customer expectations and a different market molded by them didn't dip into to the low-end garbage spectrum as much as they do now, you bought shit to last and manufacturers fully obliged those expectations, and priced them accordingly. The "premium" brackets we gawk at today were the mainstream "entry level" of yesteryear, and while there was certainly no shortage of chink-tier Japanese electronics or bottom of the barrel shitbox XT clones, they didn't pervade because people didn't want that shit unless they were desperate.

It also doesn't help that most of that shit either broke or went straight to the trash long before you took an interest in it, thus all you're seeing are the remnants of the best the past had to offer, and projecting it on the wider period.

>>59923762
Death to SUVs. Station Wagons Forever.

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>>59916581
????

>>59927889
You can't even get real wagons anymore, the closest you get are fucking crossovers

>>59927582
>???? why?
Well, you're the old fag, so correct me if I'm wrong here, but in the late 70s, Japanese cars had a bit of a rise in popularity due to the fuel crisis, but the land barge and heavily de-tuned and smogged V-8s were (still) king in the US. It wasn't until the mid 80s when the subcompact and Japanese 4 banger cars really started to get a good amount of popularity and a decent reputation. In 1975, Japan exported roughly 2,000,000 automobiles, but many did not go to the US. The US also has the Chicken tax, which made (and still does) it harder to sell imported utility vehicles in the US.

I am aware that this analysis is highly autistic, but your claims just seem slightly peculiar for someone your age.

>>59927981
You still can get wagons (There's stuff like the Volvo v60 & xc70, audi a4, Volkswagen Golf), but they're getting more expensive and difficult to find.

>>59928055
Your mistake is assuming auto trends were identical nationwide. Having a Japanese car was considered treason in some parts of the US well into the 90s. In other parts it was more common, or even normal.

Nobody I knew personally had a camaro. Those were for white trash.

>>59927266

an S-arm gets the needle into the groove properly, the angle that a straight arm hits the groove at causes sonic issues which are exacerbated as the groove gets closer to the spindle. A straight arm tracks better though

>>59917719
>be.

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>>59927981
>crossovers
pure marketing
>If we lift it higher off the ground it's not a wagon I swear
It's like claiming one of these isn't a truck anymore because it's higher off the ground than the other. All because someone decided wagons were uncool at some point.

>>59928128
The problem with wagon "crossovers" is that because of the suspension being 3 feet taller, all the lines have to change as well so you end up with an ugly blob again, with giant tall headlights

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>why isnt technology aesthetic anymore?

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>>59928163
Stop

>>59927885
What would you do without the internet?

Say you're looking to buy a pair of speakers, or a some parts for your PC. You look around your city and all there is is plastic bullshit and low end GPUs from three years ago with 1750% markup.
I live in a big city and I experience this all the damn time. The "different market" isn't what's molding the sort of shit you see in stores, it's the other way around. There is a demand for cheap shit because it's all people know.

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>>59923724
What is the point of this post?

>>59923124
My brother once dropped his phone from chest height onto a kitchen floor. His workmate shuddered and said "That's gona be expensive". Without a second of hesitation he picked it up, dropped it again from head height and said "It's a samsung". Then continued using it.

Apple sucks.

>>59925932
while you have a point, like half of those are things that produce heat or sound and this can justify the design. surely there's better examples?

>>59924750

Still using one myself. All of your points, plus 2 day battery and a weirdly good camera.