Retrocomputing thread

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>>59915302
>>59915313
>>59915325
>>59915342
>>59915376
don't think I have any of these in my collection
Good Shit

I'd just like to interject for a moment.
What you're referring to as "Retrocomputing thread" is actually a vintage computing thread.

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>tfw you will never play the flute to a butterfly on an HP minicomputer

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>>59915470
I never liked calling it that, it sounds kind of pretentious

wtf do these fuckin nerds even do

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I'm going to Seattle this summer, does anyone know if there's any really good surplus shops for picking up shit? In particular I'm looking for rarer Unix gear like SGI and Sun stuff.

Re-PC sounds pretty cool but I don't know much about their inventory.

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>>59915868
calculate the density of your mom's ass lmao

>>59915503
His love of ethno has always being super disturbing to me.
Such "intelligence" but falling for ethno.

>>59915227
It's called /retro/....

>>59915930

Liking traditional stuff like that is top tier taste, Anon.

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>>59916393
this isn't a subreddit

>>59916434
>reddit invented subs
pls newfag

>>59916423
This.

>>59915302
hnnnng that's going in the fap stack

>>59916827
Post some interesting shit, like things you own and stuff you have done with them instead of bumping the thread with pictures we have seen a million times.

>>59915872
>In particular I'm looking for rarer Unix gear like SGI and Sun stuff.
SGI and Sun are not rare, they are the most widespread Unix workstations

>>59915470
>What you're referring to as "Retrocomputing thread" is actually a vintage computing thread.
People use the word vintage wrong, so did you.
Retrocomputing is the correct term, using something like "60's-90's vintage computing" is not needed.

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>>59916841
You've seen most of that already if you regularly browse these kinds of threads, there's not much to do while the weather is shit and I'm preoccupied with other tasks anyway. I'd rather join in the dump than beat a dead horse.

Why don't you post something new and different yourself so I can discuss someone else's nice things instead?

>>59916849
Not among Unix workstations, but Unix workstations themselves are not common in general.

>>59916996
>Why don't you post something new and different yourself so I can discuss someone else's nice things instead?
You are the OP, you made the thread, you want to get the interest of others, you must have a valid topic of discussion first, but you don't show anything for yourself.

>>59916996
>Not among Unix workstations, but Unix workstations themselves are not common in general.
SGI and Sun are common as fuck. You just don't like to pay for them.

>>59910760
I used to own a Armada when I was young, found a Contura, outside they are the same, but it's a 486DX4, recently again got my hands on a Armada with a Pentium chip, but it was lacking a few things, like battery and memory cover, but I took those from the Contura and now I have a perfect little Armada again like in the old days.

>>59917031
The old thread hit the bump limit and there seemed to still be some interest in continuing, so I made a thread. Someone else started dumping pictures so I joined them figuring it would pass the time and keep the thread alive until usual activity resumed.
>>59917038
Not here, they're not. The biggest buyers of them pretty much purged their fleets years ago and what little is left trickles down mostly to recyclers and other organizations that don't sell to the public unless you have more money than sense to sway them, the only semi-reliable source I had that would maybe get such systems every six or so months isn't really a viable option anymore, and the only consistent source I've got is almost exclusively consumer and small business, maybe you'll see a shitty base-spec Ultra 5 with a dead NVRAM chip once a year. If you're lucky.
>You just don't like to pay for them.
...Does anyone really "like" to pay hundreds of dollars for old, poorly maintained and untested surplus equipment online? I sure don't, so yeah, the prospect of getting them cheaper through surplus shops is really appealing.

>>59917204
>Not here, they're not.
At any given moment you could get several of them online without a problem, so no, they are not uncommon.
Most of them even are confirmed for working.

So yeah, you just don't like paying for them.

>old, poorly maintained and untested surplus equipment
Like all retro?

>the prospect of getting them cheaper through surplus shops is really appealing.
You are a decade too late.

>>59917204
>The old thread hit the bump limit and there seemed to still be some interest in continuing, so I made a thread. Someone else started dumping pictures so I joined them figuring it would pass the time and keep the thread alive until usual activity resumed.
You don't have to bump it every 5 minutes... only when it's reaching the last pages.

>>59917246
>At any given moment you could get several of them online without a problem, so no, they are not uncommon.
If 5-10 examples worldwide of a broader model range often in various states of disrepair or shitty cosmetic condition is your idea of "common" you really revisit your understanding of the word.
>Most of them even are confirmed for working.
Yeah, to power on. Maybe if the seller thinks he's sitting on pure gold he'll keep it going long enough to see if it boots, too.
>Like all retro?
In person you can be the judge of that yourself, being able to see more of it than the four or five shitty pictures at terrible angles and fill in all of the blanks inevitably left out of the description. You're right, I really don't like paying for things even the seller thinks is garbage.
>>59917277
Of course, but it's not like these threads are at the mercy of the image limit, so there's no harm.

>>59917425
>If 5-10 examples worldwide of a broader model range often in various states of disrepair or shitty cosmetic condition is your idea of "common" you really revisit your understanding of the word.
Give me some NeXT machines or some old Z80 machines, as far as "retro" computers go, they are one of the more common.
Heck, they are even more easier to obtain than Amigas these days, I'd say they are pretty common.
>5-10
More like 50, you probably only look on JewBay, many counties have their own local sites.

>In person you can be the judge of that yourself, being able to see more of it than the four or five shitty pictures at terrible angles and fill in all of the blanks inevitably left out of the description. You're right, I really don't like paying for things even the seller thinks is garbage.
You are again, a decade too late.

This isn't a poor man's hobby anymore, hipsters and resellers have raised the price of things, the changes of running into something actually valuable or finding something you need locally or in a shop, is near bust. You either pay for them online, or don't at all.

>>59917511
>Heck, they are even more easier to obtain than Amigas these days, I'd say they are pretty common.
Pretty understandable if you're stateside, since they sold like shit here and probably even make five-figure Unix kit look like Packard Bells.
>More like 50, you probably only look on JewBay, many counties have their own local sites.
Yeah, I'm not really going spend my off hours constantly digging through local auctioneers and classifieds in another state and deal with the fucking annoyance of shipping shit on top of it.
>You are again, a decade too late.
>This isn't a poor man's hobby anymore, hipsters and resellers have raised the price of things, the changes of running into something actually valuable or finding something you need locally or in a shop, is near bust. You either pay for them online, or don't at all.
Have you ever even tried hitting a bigger surplus outlet or networking with thrift stores and recyclers? What you're saying isn't true at all, I've had great luck hitting places like WeirdStuff in the bay area and coming out with shit that I would have to pay ten times as much for plus shipping otherwise, that I got to test and examine myself before purchasing. Even at home, I'm swimming in PeeCees and PPC/68k Macs at $5-$25 a box, but some things are just difficult to come by through those channels.

The fact that you and others like you have resigned yourselves to paying hundreds of dollars for absolute trash while telling yourselves "I'm a decade too late" is part of the reason things are that way. It's understandable and fully justifiable if you have no other options and it's worth it to you, but don't act like you haven't ruined the market just as much as the "hipsters" and resellers you hate with that shitty attitude. You don't have to pay out the ass for everything.

>>59917725
>I'm swimming in PeeCees and PPC/68k Macs at $5-$25 a box
Those aren't rare either.

>>59917725
>The fact that you and others like you have resigned yourselves to paying hundreds of dollars for absolute trash while telling yourselves "I'm a decade too late" is part of the reason things are that way. It's understandable and fully justifiable if you have no other options and it's worth it to you, but don't act like you haven't ruined the market just as much as the "hipsters" and resellers you hate with that shitty attitude. You don't have to pay out the ass for everything.
>t. I wish I could find X for cheap in a local X (protip: he knows it won't happen)

>>59917762
...When did I say they were? I thought even "common" hardware was supposed to be expensive according to the last few posts of lecturing you've been doing, and those systems are certainly expensive online outside of local classifieds, depending on what you're looking for.
>>59917772
>I'm really bitter and want to hear myself complain
Yeah, like everyone else I do like the idea of finding something nice while I'm in a place where those things are likely to be plentiful.

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Hey /retro/, other than a few IBM Aptivas, what are some beige boxes that have drive bay doors? I love the clean look they give no matter what drives you are using.

Any Aussies know where I can find some older computers in Sydney? Lifeline is a cunt and doesn't accept any pcs.

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>>59919208
my school had those

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How about some Windows 98 love?
Installing 98SE on that old Presario currently.

>>59916434
Power Glove, the early years?

>>59916696
>>59916827
Just realized that most 90s futurist vidya were developers copying and extending their workplace's buildings.

>>59915872
The new system Z machines that IBM makes are reverse compatible with these

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>>59919208
IBM's PC 350, 365, 750, 300XL and HP's Vectra 500 is all I can think of in that department.

>>59922763
The 20 was weird, though, with smaller 16-bit registers and it only supported a subset of mainline S/360 instructions.

Wish I could mess with one, they're cute.

>>59915227
Do 10+ year old PCs count as retro? Just wondering.

>>59924438
If you say 10+ years, it could be a 30 year old PeePee too.

But I know you mean around 10, but generally I won't say it's retro. Just older.

>>59924438
>10 years
The age of the laptop I'm posting from right now.
Definitely not retro.

>>59924548
10 years is almost Core2, so no. It's very modern.

>>59924804
It's not modern, it's old.
1997-2007 is all just old shit. Most machines from the time already struggle with YouTube.

>>59924907
my 2005 laptop plays 720p30 yt fine

>>59924931
sure thing bro

>>59924931
Same with me

My 1.6 GHz Pentium M not only plays youtube at 720p but netflix at 720p as well, which is really fucking surprising

>>59924967
it does
it's an hp compaq nx6120
1.6GHz Pentium M, single core
512M ram
intel i915 graphics (iirc)
arch linux

>>59924967
If you play it in a video player then an old processor can easily play that.

>>59925019
>missing the point

>>59925052
What's the point? That web browsers are shitty at playing media?

>>59925052
?

>>59925064
>Most machines from the time already struggle with YouTube.
Nobody was talking about playing it in a player, but the webpage, the whole point of it that it's getting harder and harder for those machines to play it because of the bloated site, obviously they could play them at one point.

>>59925105
nobody mentioned playing it in a browser, either
you can browse youtube and stream their videos just fine on older machines
so what if i'm not using their in-browser player? it's shit regardless, i don't use it on my main desktop, either

>>59925154
Stop being an autistic fuck then.
It was said, YouTube, obviously nobody said YouTube+MVP or related but the browser portal.

The whole point of it, is that it's shit and old machines struggle more and more with it after it gets more and more bloated.

>>59925154
>nobody mentioned playing it in a browser, either
he said youtube and not youtube videos, didnt he? pleb

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>thinkpad fags getting buttblasted because someone called hardware of the time period their dear laptops are from "old"
it's like I'm really in /tpg/

>>59925212
youtube besides the video is...
well what is youtube besides the video? it's a video site, there's really no reason to go there besides to play/upload video

>>59915470
Forced meme. Summer came early this year.

>>59925232
exactly

>>59925250
so what's the problem with me focusing on video playback ability, then?

>>59925259
nothing, as long as it's in youtube, the portal and not a video player

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Post /retro/ and stop shitposting!

>>59924438
Retro is in the eye of the beholder, by definition, if it brings out nostalgic feelings for you and it's something from the past, it's retro.
But don't start posting Core2 Duos pls.

>>59925286
it the same thing
i visit the youtube website, find a video i want to watch, then open it in mpv to watch it
if i had to use something like mps-yt, an alternate frontend that doesn't involve a browser at all, then maybe you'd have an argument, since there's things that can't do
but this machine isn't so old that that is needed

>>59925481
your argument is invalid because it's not the point that's being discussed, keep posting if you like and derail the thread

>>59924438
I'm back and what the fuck just happened here?

>>59925329
DESU, it looks like one of those 50's/60's custom cars.

>>59925642
His argument isn't invalid

Watching youtube is watching youtube. Smartphone users use a separate video player to watch youtube, you know.

>>59925381
So does that mean Athlon 64/Pentium 4 or older?

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>>59924907
is youtube literally all 80+% of /g/ uses their computers for
it's a core talking point in like every single one of these posts as if these faggots would probably literally kill themselves without a constant stream of trashy e-celeb garbage bombarding them at all times
???

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>>59925642
seriously man, browsers just suck at video playback, they always have, really
early on, video in browsers was just an embedded native player, it's still possible to do that, you can embed mpv or something else right in the same spot videos normally play in youtube, if you like
webm related, this is on my main desktop, mostly 2012 hardware

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>>59925797
>youtube, reddit, and e621

>>59925823
Shut up, tryhard

>>59925823
>seriously man, browsers just suck at video playback, they always have, really
Not him, but I think that's the whole point of the example.

>>59915227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMgyrZm87A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrKbh5HwF3Q

>>59925823
>All browsers suck because the one I'm using (firefox) don't know how to implement VP9 hardware acceleration
works on my machine
also
>complains about quality
>sources 2160p material from youtube
kill yourself already

>>59925919
so does that mean my 2012 machine is retro? because youtube runs like ass at higher resolutions on my browser?

>>59925786
it is invalid, because the argument is that computers from the mid of last decade struggle with playing youtube (not youtube videos, on a player, or whatever, but with the site itself, the site being the keyword)

>>59925945
>>sources 2160p material from youtube
the '4k' is referring to the demo size, 4096 bytes, not the video resolution
both are playing at 1080p60

>>59925948
What?
I have a shitbox with a FX-6300 and Radeon 6970 and it plays 4k YouTube in the browser fine.

>>59925953
what the fuck kind of retarded ass bullshit point even is that, my pentium 4/M/first-gen atom shit handles the site fine anyway

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>>59925970
So your PC is so shit that even 1080p60 lags inside your browser? What did you buy in 2012? Pentium Dual-Core?

>>59925945
>>All browsers suck because the one I'm using (firefox) don't know how to implement VP9 hardware acceleration
fwiw, both players are using software decoding, while encoding something in the background... also while encoding the screen capture
yet mpv is just fine

>>59925980
>what the fuck kind of retarded ass bullshit point even is that
see >>59924907
do you even lurk the thread? the point is that old machines struggle with daily tasks

>my pentium 4/M/first-gen atom shit handles the site fine anyway
>m-muh atom N270 with a intel gma plays youtube videos fine! it's not even 240p!
bullshit :^)

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Which /retro/device has the best homebrew and or demo scene?

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>>59925931
That's cool!

Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-_93BVApb58I3ZV67LW3S_JEMFnDrQDj

>>59926058
well, the amiga(s) and commodore 64 are the most obvious ones

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>>59926058
Amiga and Commodore 64

>>59926075
>>59926078
confirmed

>>59926014
>old machines struggle with daily tasks

Depends on the "daily task" doesn't it?

>>59926109
that's why youtube was an example

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>>59926123
>>59926014
Are you saying that tools grow obsolete because you can't use them right?
Fuck off.

>>59926075
>>59926078
>7 seconds apart

>>59926109
Exactly why bring up YouTube, because obviously you can still do everything with them you could back then, but if something outgrows it, like YouTube, that you can't use it anymore like you used to, except needing 3rd party tools to do the same tasks it once did without a problem.

>>59926137
>Are you saying that tools grow obsolete because you can't use them right?
No, I'm saying that daily tasks on them become a shore because they can't handle modern software anymore.

>Fuck off.
Ignorant and butthurt? That's a nice combo.

>>59926075
>>59926078
>>59926094
I wish I still had my old 64C, that thing was the bomb.

I guess I'm just gonna emulate until I can find one thats reasonably priced.

>>59926159
>except needing 3rd party tools to do the same tasks it once did without a problem.
why do you believe this matters?
why is it suddenly invalid to use something that isn't contemporary/typical of the time the machine was made?

is a machine incapable of browsing the web because you chose midori or k-meleon over chrome?
or editing documents because you chose libreoffice or office 2003 over office 2016?
or simply going with linux over windows 10?

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>>59926214
Emulation is nowhere as fun!

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>>59926014
>h-h-haha b-bullshit!
>wait I've got it, I'll move the goalposts and make it about the videos again after spending half of the comment chain saying it's only the site itself that matters!
:^) indeed
why do you even bother with computers if you just sit on your ass and watch youtube anyway, a TV with a set top box and a tablet to stream to it is vastly superior

>>59926231
>why do you believe this matters?
>why is it suddenly invalid to use something that isn't contemporary/typical of the time the machine was made?
Nobody said it's invalid, do you even read the thread? The whole point is that those machines are old and not modern anymore.

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>>59926256
>old machines are old and not modern anymore
really causes my neural cells to depolarize by opening gated channels in the membrane and passively diffusing potassium ions out of the cytoplasm down its concentration gradient leading to a sequence of action potentials to stimulate in accord with long term potentiation pathways developed through the release of serotonin at key moments of sensory input as well as really firing up my electric pulse that travels down the axon until it reaches the synapses, where it then causes the release of neurotransmitters. The synapses are extremely close to the dendrites of the target neuron. This allows the neurotransmitters to diffuse across the intervening space and fit into the receptors that are located on the target neuron. This causes some action to take place in that neuron that will either decrease or increase the membrane potential of the neuron. If it increases the membrane potential (makes it more positive, or depolarizes it.) then it is exciting the neuron, and if it decreases the membrane potential (makes it more negative, or hyper-polarizes it.) then it is inhibiting the neuron. If it causes my membrane potential to pass the firing threshold then it will activate an action potential in the target neuron and send it down its axon.

>>59926243
>moving goalposts
not how it works anon, it was already specified that playing videos in the browser is what matters

>why do you even bother with computers if you just sit on your ass and watch youtube anyway, a TV with a set top box and a tablet to stream to it is vastly superior
>i can't take an analogy or example

>>59926242
I know, but I'm not going to just throw money at ebay until a working C64 shows up at my door. I'm going to be patient and wait for an opportunity to buy one at a good price.

>>59926159
youtube didn't even support 720p videos when my 2005 laptop was made, they were introduced in 2008

>>59926293
>not how it works anon, it was already specified that playing videos in the browser is what matters
people already told you that you can just embed a different player if that's really want you want
who gives a shit anyway, buy a smart TV already

>>59926290
>10 year old machines are modern! >>59924804
>nope.
>oh no, he's right, let's shitpost now

>>59926181
How lovely.
Please tell me how youtube-dl and mpv aren't modern software. The daily task of watching youtube is easy to achieve once you get the pile of shit that is a modern browser out of the way.
And, for the record, you can slap windows ME on era-appropriate hardware, install KernelEx, install Opera 12.02 and watch youtube in-browser just fine. Your 'modern software' web browser sucks and is the one thing limiting your 'daily use'. You just can't use your tools, not everyone here is as stupid.

Also
>shore

>>59926310
Exactly?
>sites introduce more demanding features
I don't see the problem, pretty much a good example how machines get outdated and become old.

>>59926322
have you ever contemplated that more than one person thinks you're an autistic straw grasping retard who just wants to whine
C2D shit isn't even bad at casual video watching anyway, what the fuck are you talking about

>>59926336
>being this autistic
This ain't your hugbox anon

>>59926320
>>59926336
I wonder how people like you manage in daily life, you can't even understand a basic example of something, like how hardware becomes outdated

>>59926341
my point is that i /can/ keep using youtube "as it was", as in, like in 2005
lower resolutions are still available on every video, even if you discount being able to play 720p video if using an external player

>>59926345
nice projection

>>59926389
That's pretty much why the argument was that they "struggle" in the first place, nobody said it's impossible, just that they can't keep up, they are old and not modern.

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silly boys

codings for girls

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>>59926298
Those machines slowly reach the age that they are quite hard to find, better search instead of waiting, before the prices go through the roof.

>>59926420
of course they're old, just not so old that you can't use youtube comfortably (i say "comfortably" as in, smooth playback of a reasonable resolution, idk about you, but 720p is a perfectly comfortable resolution, it's not like i'm stuck on their 176x144 3GP video, which was low-end phone tier back in 2005)

>>59926374
This is a technology board.
This is where we come together to discuss technology.
I think it is fine for me to discuss technology on this board.
Additionally, I'm not seeking for any sort of validaiton here. What exactly in my post makes you think I see this board as a hugbox?

>>59926376
Now it's about hardware?
Mine can still do the task of watching a video on youtube, it's not outdated.
You just can't use your tools, for real. I'm wondering how you can survive daily life without a single bit of problem solving abiltiy.

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technically you can watch youtube on a teletype if you're brave enough

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>>59926389
>arguing about modern vs old
>It's not old I swear it worked in 2005
>stupid sites being bloated 12 years later
>I AM STILL MODERN
Pic related

>>59915492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3XwTq_BPKM

>>59926498
kek

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>>59926491
>Now it's about hardware?
>Mine can still do the task of watching a video on youtube, it's not outdated.
>You just can't use your tools, for real. I'm wondering how you can survive daily life without a single bit of problem solving abiltiy.
Missing the point so hard it's making my facepalm right now

>>59926491
I think your opinion and accompanying argument is shit. You thew a fit. Your safe place is not safe anymore, this annoys an autist therefore hugbox. QED

>>59926376
what examples are you talking about
all I see is a bunch of disingenuous retards perpetually moving goalposts, arguing on multiple conflicting positions and generally whining about shit nobody cares about, few people ITT are buying old shit just to watch youtube just like they do on their newer desktops and laptops they already own
>>59926397
that word doesn't mean what you think it means

>>59926498
i never said it was modern
remember there's more than 2 people in this conversation

>>59926558
>that word doesn't mean what you think it means
yup, you don't seem to know what it means

>>59926587
it's obvious you want the last word really badly to feel better about yourself

go ahead and take it

>>59926558
>what examples are you talking about
That's one thick skull.

>>59926461
The season for garage sales is starting. If I don't find something by the time spring is over I will probably just get something on ebay.

>>59926615
>it's obvious you want the last word really badly to feel better about yourself
that's a good example of projection, don't worry, I won't reply to you anymore, just wish retards like you won't ruin good threads

>>59926577
I'd let her operate my hardware...
>tfw she's a granny now and those tits are scrubbing the floor

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>>59926617
>it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube it can't play youtube
>well you can if you use these methods
>but it's not the same!!!!! it's about the site!
>but you can use the site
>but it can't play the videos right!!!
interspersed with a bunch of crying about "but it's really old" (no shit)

who actually gives a shit in the first place if someone thinks C2D hardware is modern or not, which they probably meant by fundamental concepts and ideas anyway, modern hardware isn't really that alien compared to core2 era gear

>>59926625
Good luck!

Where are you located? You can get a good C64C for around 70€ online with all kinds of extras.

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>My PC is modern.

>But you're using decade old hardware to browse the internet and it's slow.

>Ah but you see I can run parts of the modern code, pretty much castrating it, to speed it up, sort of like a compatibility mode if you will for my old hardware.

>Doesn't that mean that your hardware is slow and you change the intended runtime of the modern code to manage to run in old contexts.

>Fucking nice projection you retard oh my god reeeeeeeeee

Alas what a great play we had today.

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>>59926712

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Don't mind me, just pouring some napalm on the fire...

From my experience:

>watching current gen webby youtube in HD
C2D and up without a problem, Pentium M/Atom bare minimum

>watching current gen webby youtube in SD
Pentium 4, III, early athlon (almost any XP shitbox)

>watching youtube though 3rd party software
anything and everything

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>>59926712
By that logic native windows 10 apps will work on windows 2000 because NT.

>>59926742
>Atom bare minimum
what Atom are we talking about? the new ones are light years faster than the old shit

>>59926742
>anything and everything
just about
if you use mps-yt and use their lowest end format, which is 176x144 3gp, that'd run on quite a lot, maybe even as early as decent mid-90's hardware

>>59926742
My grandma's Pentium 4 plays YouTube like a slideshow, but I guess the mpv autist in the thread will play it in mpv instead of moving on.

>>59926742
>Pentium 4, III, early athlon (almost any XP shitbox)
somehow I doubt that

>>59926774
Atom N450

>>59926810
XP or GNU/Linux?

>>59926718
Alberta, Canada, unfortunately.

>>59926840
Ubuntu 14.04 with LXDE

>>59926848
Damn, might be hard to find then.

>>59926820
easily, i used to play 480p AVC video on my xbox... a lot
and that has a 733MHz (p3) celeron

>>59926543
If your point is that you can no longer run windows 10 and chrome (without any form of content blocking) to watch a youtube video on a decade old computer and can't take an alternate similarly modern software setup of lightweight linux and firefox (with carefully picked content blocking) and/or an external video player on the same hardware working fine as a counterpoint then you're fucking stupid.

>>59926850
My Linux mint 2.4GHz P4 dellbox plays SD yt fine

>>59926882
Yes well. Good going then.

>>59926876
(and if someone isn't sure if the xbox has video accelleration, it does, but only for MPEG2 afaik, absolutely not AVC, the xbox predates AVC, slightly)

>>59926876
what cool things can you do with a xbox except gaming? I got a original one laying around, can you run any other OS on it?

>>59926058
why do you ask?

>>59926921
yea, you can run linux and netbsd on it, maybe others, haven't looked in many years
i just ran XBMC (now Kodi) on it, used it as a media center about as much as i did games
lots of good emulators for it, too

>>59926921
It's a fine media player and emulator box still. You can install gentoo.
Also, OG xbox emulation isn't brilliant, so if you want to keep playing those games you've got to keep one around.

Remember to change the half-speed IDE cable inside though. And maybe the whole hard drive.

>>59926938
I've been thinking about getting into the retro programming scene for a while and it's always more fun if there is an active community.

>>59926948
>>59926994
But how do you use keyboard/mice?

>>59926453
That's Harry potter

>>59926677
Was just going to post something like that. Seeing old photos weirds me out when I know the people are dead too

>>59927116
Didn't some YouTuber restore one of these or do an itx build in one? I remember watching something about one of these hot wheels computers, but I hated the guys voice so I didn't watch more than a couple minutes

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>>59927139
the controller ports are literally USB 1.1 ports

the xbox in general is mostly PC hardware
hdd - plain off the shelf 3.5" hdd (8GB, sometimes 10GB due to stock, still formatted as 8GB), replacable
optical - IDE, partially custom, uses a non-standard power connector. can also be replaced if you use a custom BIOS
cpu - mobile pentium 3 celeron (sometimes non-celeron, due to stock), upgradable (people have put up to 1.4GHz p3's in them)
ram - plain DDR, 64MiB, upgradable, but it's soldered on. there's usable, empty pads which you can add a further 64MiB of chips onto the board
controller ports - USB 1.1, only non-standard connector

even the two port on the top of the controllers are usb ports, the controller is internally just a 3 port usb hub, with one wired to the controller itself, and the other two at the top

>>59927214
-- oh, and the memory cards are just 8MiB usb flash drives

>>59927214
>>59927229
thanks, I will look into it

>>59927281
np
ps. as interesting as it is, i wouldn't really recommend upgrading the cpu and ram nowadays
i hear it can negatively affect some games, and while it was considered a cheap PC at the time, when repurposed, there are better options now if you don't need xbox game support
upgrading the hdd is still a good idea though, you can't fit more than a couple games on its 8GB hdd

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Has anyone tried running LapLink on an NT system? Better yet, are there any alternatives on NT that can also support remote installs on fucking ancient XT-class DOS boxes?
I'm trying to pick a bridge box and thus far I'm settling on a dual NetBurst Xeon housefire with XP so I can shitpost while burning CDs and testing shit, but it would be nice if I could do serial transfers from it too.

Anyone know what happened to the retro computing threads on /vr/? I lurked and asked stupid questions about my 5150 there a while back but stopped after I figured shit out. I was looking through the catalog recently but they seem to have vanished without a trace.

>>59927525
They where really dull because most of the retrocomputing anons there where very autistic with their shit.

>>59915227
That poor man: he has no chin.

Where's the best place to find an old terminal system that could still feasible write and compile C code?
Something about writing on them seems so pleasant

What do you guys think about the modern clones of 8 bit machines?

I know it's not the same experience since you don't get the big loud keyboards and old crt screens but are they worth getting or should I just stick to emulators?

>>59927685
your post makes no sense, terminals don't compile

>>59927685
Terminals usually don't have an operating system. Their purpose is to access an other computer basically, so just find one and use it to remotely access a computer that can compile C code.

>>59927570
I never liked those threads. Too limiting, too focused on what felt like childhood nostalgia for games and the toy-ish boxes that played them, never cared for that stuff.
>>59927685
What kind of terminal system are we talking about, PDP-11s? VAXen? HP 9000s? Suns? You've got shit tons of options, here. Your best bet is always going to be some big online auction site like eBay, retrocomputing forums or industrial surplus stores locally.

>>59927686
If it's still the real shit and not just some lazy pre-load on an FPGA then it's totally cool, I always liked the idea of messing with stuff like that for educational purposes.

>>59927202
LGR? If so, he's an awesome guy. how could you hate his voice?

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time to see if we survived the winter

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>>59927996
cock

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>>59928017
and now for a friendly reminder that somebody with a top-ranking college education thought this was a good idea

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>>59928061
fuck you too buddy

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>>59928097
but it boots now, whatever

>>59927932
Not that guy, but I wish he was a bit more technologically knowledged. I like his videos and stuff, but most of the things he goes over tech wise can be found on wikipedia. I'm not saying that he should do teardowns and examine each component like EEV Blog or one of the other electrical engineering channels, but he should spice it up a bit somehow. IDK, maybe I just already know too much about the basic hardware. His history and oddware vids are pretty comfy though.

>>59927996
Is that a 5161 expansion unit you have there?

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>>59928148
and both the drives are still fine, neat
(fuck that contrast filter)
>>59928161
yeah, lucky as fuck find

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>>59928208
it was pretty much just an office box like any other PC so there isn't anything really exciting on it

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>>59928338
123 is still surprisingly alright though when you get used to it, like it more than VisiCalc on my other XT

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>>59928375
wordperfect always felt unfriendly to me however, never had a chance to get used to it

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>>59928461
here we go

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>>59928571
so far so good

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>>59928623
it's time to make pajeet-senpai proud of me

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>>59928937
g-d help us
here i go

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>>59928973
and wow it's fucking nothing
this looks like shit

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>>59928986
that's a little better

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>>59929067
and fortunately for us all my blog now comes to an end
goodnight sweet prince

>>59929187
lol it looks like a buttcrack

>>59929196
same
it's really fitting too considering how these pictures are literal ass if you look at them with a real computer

please kill me

Where are all the black people in these pictures? Theres even women.

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>>59929286
cray is the official computer of choice for people of color

>>59929299
Funny, I wonder if this is how they invented the slang "cray cray"
I believe it's a black term and if they like Crays then it really makes you think.

>>59924438
I'd say stuff before core duo can be considered at least retro-ish.

>>59929534
I'm guessing a Core 2 Duo won't be considered retro for at least another 2 years.

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>>59929286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKK4KmDlj8U

>>59915227
Fun fact: There is less total computing power in this photo than a modern toilet.

>>59915342
these are great photos
unseen

>>59916409
things always looked better, for the future, before the decades of PC oblivion, microsoft "monopoly"

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>>59930143
>parallel processing hypercube super computer running at 35 million instructions per second
>less powerful than a ceramic bowl

>>59925931
he's got some pretty great shit in his collection desu
I want his system/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtXLZcY_bM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y-7hYXZ324

>>59930323
>ceramic bowl can withstand thousands of shits
>supercomputer can choke on one pajeet's code

>>59927901
FPGA is real you pleb, you mean emulation?

>>59931747
Nah, I meant the "real" thing, as in neither FPGA-based nor emulation-based.

>>59915847
Is that book a gentoo manual?

>>59931819
He asked about modern clones, so unless it's a modern fabrication, NOS parts or FPGA, there is no "real" thing. All the same shit btw, FPGA code is built after the old things and new fabrications always use a FPGA prototype.

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>>59926492
underrated post.

>>59926492
technically I can suck my own cock

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Gonna play some Agony soon

>>59931897
Yeah, I understand that, maybe I just didn't really understand the original question.

>>59926058

Amiga is the king for demos.

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Gaze upon thy 64C, thy 64C is astonishing!

>>59933164
The king OF demos

>>59926058
Revision 2017 Oldskool Demo compo video is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veWqxkTFs5w

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>>59926461
here's to (You). 3 working C64, two working 1541 disk drives, working printer.

>>59926742
My Amd fx-55 can barely do 720p, some videos it's fine, others it stutters and it's at max cpu load.

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>>59933993
Beautiful!

>>59934097
Awesome
Isn't there a PPC port of Firefox?

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>>59934106
Didn't spot one.

Slightly less shitty image.

Still, BeOS yay!

>>59934130
>Still, BeOS yay!
Yay, yeah, but what software does PPC BeOS even have?

>>59934237
Fuck all as far as I can see now that BeBits has disappeared.

>>59934293
It's BeBytes now

http://wildman.ddns.net/be/index.php

but no PPC browsers though

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How would one go on about switching on a Osborne 1 after who know how long of gone unused.

As far as I know, it uses a switching power supply? So a Variac is out of the question I guess.
But if the capacitors are in good condition, there shouldn't be a problem with firing it straight up anyways?

>>59926770
That pic is funny, but I would beat the shit of that dog

>>59935565
>I would beat the shit of that dog
little too late, mate?

>>59935565
No shit

>>59928061
What's the point of the expansion unit if the machine itself only has 7 IRQs? You could fit everything possible already into the main case.

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>>59915227

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>>59935847

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>>59935847
Hello Amiga1200/C64/IBM AT guy

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>>59935888

Hullo

What is it with Millennials and nostalgia for things they never experienced? Same with this trend for vinyl records amongst young hipsters.

>>59935868
Anyone have a scanned version of this? I would really like to get a canvas print of it.

>>59936111

I've never found one available, I think we have a large-format scanner kicking around the office somewhere, I can try and get a scan.

>>59936056
>oldest bait in the book
2/10 for being traditional

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>>59936051
Dude, this is my new wallpaper, thanks!

>>59929067
ids beutiful

>>59936132
>I can try and get a scan.
That would be awesome, there not a single scanned image on the web of it.

>>59933993
Which one is harder to find these days, an original Competition Pro or a C64?

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This is my family's first computer and the first computer I used as a child, at about 4 to 5 years old. It still works.

I wrote a BASIC program that draws an image (converted by a script on my PC) on the screen using the plot commands.

>>59936576
Ay, that's a beauty mate

>I wrote a BASIC program that draws an image (converted by a script on my PC) on the screen using the plot commands.
More pictures? Looks awesome

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>>59936576

>>59936576
Pretty sure that image can't be displayed on the Micro's color modes.

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>>59936596
Here's another

>>59936696
It's mode 2, which has 8 colours.

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>>59936596
some more of the pictures I converted

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>>59936255
Neither is hard to find in Europe, I guess.

>>59937052
Try to add dithering next.

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Mid-century modern architecture combined with 60s mainframe computers = godly aesthetics

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>>59939659
>tfw you will never be on a madmen-tier outdoor photoshoot for a multi-million computer built by a NASA-contracted computer company
why even live?

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>>59931914

>>59939659
spoiler: architecture in the 60s wasn't modern, and there arent any mainframes in the photo you posted.

fucking poseur.

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>>59935839
presumably it either adds more or gets around it somehow, never looked into it much

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Anyone knows a where I could find a 4116 DRAM chip?
I already ordered some but maybe there could be one near me without knowing...

>>59940045
doesn't look like a minicomputer either, I see some big cabinets in there

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>>59940045
That's some shitty bait friendaloo

>>59940156
you could look for some local component supply shops or something and see if they have any, but I don't think their target audiences would be using DRAM chips a ton

>>59940232
The only DRAM chips in shops near me are 4164, (64K*1 instead of 16K*1), I ordered some from eBay but those will probably take ages to arrive, would a 4164 chip work if it's timings are correct? Like would it just leave the rest unused? (it's in a bank with other chips)

>>59915227
What is this hardware trying to accomplish?

>>59940045
>>59940208
From a technical standpoint it can be classified as a minicomputer due to the amount of ram, I/O devices, and languages it can run. It's just a heck of a lot larger than the stuff DEC made.

>>59940294
they seem electrically different from looking at the datasheet but maybe? the 4164 chips look like they have an extra address pin where Vcc is on the 4116, you'd probably have to fuck with it a bit to get it in there and it probably wouldn't look nice either

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>>59940374
for comparison here's a similarly specced DEC system from a year earlier

>>59940390
Yeah, I'm looking at the pinouts right now, I could possibly rise up PIN 8 and 9, then connect the PIN 9 pad from the board to PIN 8, leaving one address line disconnected and the 12V power disconnected too (routing 5V to the right PIN instead). Would I have to ground the address PIN that's left over or just leave it? I actually think I have a 48k ZX clone somewhere (broken, just motherboard) that has 4164 chips.

>>59940341
mostly a parallel computing development system according to the site I got it from

>>59915883
Not enough power.

>>59937052
is there a technical reason for the 'scanlines'? i don't see a pattern to suggest one

>>59940873
>>59937052
well, besides being an RLE-efficient means of dither, i suppose

>>59940873
Yeah it's just so that the image files will be smaller and so that my BASIC program takes less time to draw them on the screen since it has less plot commands to do. But I also kind of like the way it looks too.

>>59937052
Hat off to you, it's awesome!

>>59926062
Thanks for posting this. I watched the first few as they were restoring it and and read the guy's blog but never finished it. P. damn funny when it first boots.

>tfw you will never be a skilled and talented optoelectronic engineer that got rich and now builds astromech droids at home for fun
The giant flippy clock is neat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwUnUvzNho4

>>59942416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iweOSPbU73Y

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>>59940045
>architecture in the 60s wasn't modern
then why do they call it mid-century modern?
checkmate atheists