/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Any linux related youtube channels worth checking?

Convince me why I should use Linux

>>59907320
doubt it, they all seem to be the same idiot who reviews point release distros that basically never change much

>today we will be taking a look at ubuntu 17.04
>up here we have the standard dock and programs
>video is 25 minutes long

>>59907333
don't

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Has anyone see this before? My googling isn't bringing up anything helpful.

Trying to boot live cd and/or installation of Ubuntu Gnome 17.04, keep getting this.

I have ElementaryOS installed fine for the last few months.

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>>59907333
There's literally no good reason unless you want to just experiment, be a special snowflake or make your computer less useful

>>59907473
What if I want to learn about how computers work and programming?

>>59907456
Can you go to recovery mode and install your graphic driver?

>>59907333
If you want posix with a package manager

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What are some cool terminal commands?

Also rate: curl -s "$(curl -s "http://www.imagefap.com/random.php?search=anime+tiddies" | grep -o 'http://www.imagefap.com/photo/[0-9]\+/' | shuf -n 1 )" | grep 'mainPhoto' | grep -Po '(?<=src=")[^"]*' | xargs feh --bg-fill

>>59907517
re-writing the iso to the USB right now, I will try this if it happens again.

Can you do 3d animation in linux?

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>>59907333
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59907609
blender

>>59907586

fc -l 1 | awk '{CMD[$2]++;count++;}END { for (a in CMD)print CMD[a] " " CMD[a]/count*100 "% " a;}' | grep -v "./" | column -c3 -s " " -t | sort -nr | nl | head -n20

>>59907333
there's no reason, it's simply cool
we are basically using linux for fun in our VMs
i recommend trying arch linux

>>59907653
>someone knows about and uses nl
I like you.

>>59907674
Yeah I recently discovered it along with shuf. Great tools.

>>59907586
Not really a command, but I recently discovered that you can double the speed of shell scripts when disabling unicode support by using:
export LC_ALL=C
When you sort and grep a lot, you get nice, fast results.

>>59907456
>nouveau shits itself
have you tried nonfree video drivers?

>>59907586
>grep 'mainPhoto' | grep -Po '(?<=src=")[^"]*'
couldn't this be done in one command?

>>59907586
It doesn't work
>xargs: feh: no such file or directory

>>59907254
>Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Friendly how? What's friendly about it? You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but friendly how, I mean friendly like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean friendly, friendly how? How is it friendly? You said it's friendly. How the fuck is it friendly, what the fuck is so friendly about linux? Tell me, tell me what's friendly!

>>59907790
install feh

>>59907333

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< How can Windows even compete? >
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        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

>>59907807
Friendly means, instead of having fun of winbabbies for their cuckoldy, we help them to get uncucked.

>>59907815

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>>59907790
see >>59907813
or use gsettings or whatever wallpaper setter your de uses

>>59907742
Holy shit. Divides the time grep -ri takes on kernel sources by 15. Incredible. Tempted to turn it into a global alias but then one day I'll probably need to grep for a unicode character and won't understand why it doesn't work.

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>>59907830
>to get uncucked
when was the last time you watched a good movie. cuckboi?

>>59907320
Jupiter Broadcasting

Bryan Lunduke

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>>59907586

curl -# api.usno.navy.mil/imagery/moon.png | convert -trim - /tmp/moon && feh --bg-center /tmp/moon

>>59907906
Pic updates ofc, url keeps the same.

>>59907902
>Lunduke
can't stand this guy
>>59907906
neat

>>59907586
:(){ :|: & };:
This makes your CPU usage more efficient.

>>59907962
lol, this is now my fb status

>>59908012
Not him but why?
Other than forcing you to reboot it does no harm to your machine

>>59907962
>non-friendly thread

>>59907962
fuck off retard

>>59907944
I'm not crazy about him either but he's popular and gets interviews with big league people because of it.

>>59907586

for((i=1;;i++)){ printf "%$(bc -l<<<"a=20*s($i/10);scale=0;a/1+20")s|\n";sleep .05;}

>>59907906
feh do this directly

feh --bg-center http://api.usno.navy.mil/imagery/moon.png

>>59908153
Very nice.
>>59908191
Didn't know about that. Thanks.

>>59908191
feh can do remote?

redpill me on kernel upgrades

why would I ever risk breaking my system by upgrading the kernel?

>>59908230
unless there's an important performance upgrade, security patch or hardware compatibility update there's no reason to

>redpill
fuck off back to /pol/eddit

>>59908230
Because sometimes your kernel has bugs that let attackers take control of your kernel by sending you a simple udp packet.

>>59908226
it can, but must be prefixed with http www.something doesnt work

>>59908230
I would say because they refactor and improve existing code making it more stable and perform better, but I've heard people say this is rarely done and that some parts of the kernel are kind of hacky (even Linus himself admitted it).

Realistically only reasons is newer hardware support or adds a new feature you must have.

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>>59908153

perl -e '$_+=.1,`sleep 0.05`,print $"x(25+20*sin).qq{|\n} while 1'

Alright boys, I need opinions here.

One of my workmates gave me his laptop because he complained about it being slow, so I tried installing Win7 Home Premium on it, but for whatever reason explorer crashes everytime I try to bring up the desktop. Poor thing has only 1 gig ram and an old single core intel CPU.
I tried checking out what Linux distros might make this thing salvageable.
I'm leaning towards Lubuntu, but honestly all I need is something that can run Wine for Office and firefox.

>>59908396
>boys
I'm a girl

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>>59908230
Maybe related. I just upgraded to 4.9.22 today, rebooted and everything was fine. Shortly after that I installed enlightenment, when I logged out of xfce and into enlightenment I got a blank screen, couldn't access tty or anything and had to do a hard shutdown and when I rebooted It wouldn't even boot to the point that I couldn't even access tty. So I chrooted into it and removed enlightenment and all of the dependencies it pulled and booted into it and it was still fucked up. I just reinstalled and kept /home and am upgrading the kernel again at the moment. I'm curious, since it rebooted fine the first time I suspect that the kernel is fine. I just can't imagine how enlightenment would have fucked my install like that especially since it persisted after I removed it. Okay it's done, I'm going to reboot a couple of times. I'll report back.

>>59908396
Lubuntu isn't bad, but I'd recommend installing Ubuntu GNU/Linux instead. It's the very best babbies first distro.

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>>59908396
>Wine for Office
Who forces you to use Office in 2017? I want to send hatemail.

>>59907254
how can I have printf ignore code indentation so that it all shows left justified?

    printf "
        words words
        words words
        words words"

>>59908396
>1 gig ram
>firefox

can firefox even run with 1gig of ram anymore?

>>59908463
First of all, that's not how to use printf. printf isn't echo, use its features, which is primary string formatting:

printf -- '%s\n' "$(somecommand)"

That said, what does the input look like and how should the output look like?

>>59908435
wanted to upgrade to 4.10 today

thank you for convincing me not to

>>59908463
sed 's/^\s\+//'

>>59908439
I'm worried about GNOME eating too much RAM tho, Lubuntu is generally recommended for low RAM computers from what I've seen, but I don't want to go too low and Puppy it up. I don't want to mess around too much with patching some DE over Ubuntu
>>59908458
He asked for Office, I can't give him LibreOffice, I'm not that cruel.

>>59908396
>1 gig ram
puppy, the tahr version (based on ubuntu).
b l a z i n g fucking fast

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If Arch is meant to be simple, why does it use systemd?

>>59908651
Arch is meant to be simple for the developers, which systemd is.

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>>59908435
>>59908540
Okay. I did a full shutdown and start twice. So the new kernel is fine and the only thing I altered after that was adding the following packages:

Packages (8) bullet-2.86-1  efl-1.18.4-1  libraw-0.18.2-1  libxp-1.0.3-1  luajit-2.0.4-2  openjpeg-1.5.2-1  printproto-1.0.5-3  enlightenment-0.21.3-1

Now I chrooted into it and removed them and it was still broken. Was enlightenment the culprit or was it a coincidence? Anyone have an idea how I could've fixed it?

>>59908669
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mis take in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>59908651
I'm not even bashing it. I use Arch and I love it, but see:
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

--------------------
Arch has always been a simple distribution in terms of the developer
perspective, not the user one. Using systemd made it simpler than ever
in that regard because much more work is taken care of by both the
systemd developers and all of the projects shipping unit files.

It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare
compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional
whenever possible.

It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom /
choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases
where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of
the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the
comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken,
as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of
python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't
strive to offer choices like this, and never has. It would mean a *lot*
more complexity on the development side of things along with major
deviations from upstream.

Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users
has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there
aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are
made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity.


> it is not simple, not minimalist, and not user-centric.

Certainly not minimalist, but those other two claims are questionable.

Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module
available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat
related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional
features enabled across all the packages, etc.
--------------------

>>59908713
Arch is nice, the problem is simply that people fall for the KISS and minimalism memes.

>>59908724
whats nice about it?

>>59908356

perl -e '$_+=.1,`sleep 0.05`,print $"x(25+20*sin).qq{|\n}.$"x(25-20*sin).qq{|\n} while 1'

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>>59908770

perl -e 'while($d+=.1){print"\e[H\e[2J";$a=0;while(($a+=.01)<4*atan2 1,0){$x=$==40+40*cos$d+$a*$ARGV[0];$y=$==13+13*sin$d+$a*$ARGV[1];print"\e[$y;$x"."H#";}print$/;select($v,$v,$v,.03);}' <<< % 2 3

>>59908755
Unfucked with packages.

>>59908807
>>59908770
where can I learn this wizardry?

>>59908826
>Unfucked with packages.
what did you mean by this

>>59908876
fizzbu- I mean daily programming threads

>>59908807

#!/usr/bin/perl -l
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    %{} %  * ----\   \ | /   %||//   /  ---/ / * % % *
      % *  *\ ____\   \| |    /  /  /   /----/ * %
             \ ----\     |   /   //    /
                    \     \ /        /'
                     =~m/(.*)/s;$_=$1;
                      s![-\\|_/\s]!!g
                        ;%e=('%',0,
                        '^',132918,
                        '~'=>18054,
                        '@'=>19630,
                        '*' =>0b01,
                        '#'=>13099,
                        '[]'=>4278,
                        '<>'=>2307,
                        '{}'=>9814,
                        '()',2076);
                        for $a(keys
                        %e){$e{$a}=
                        sprintf"%b"
                        , $e{$a};}
                      $y= qq{(}.join(
                      '|',map "\Q$_\E"
                    ,keys %e).qq{)};s/$y
               /$e{$1}/gex;print pack"B*",$_;

>>59908876
http://www.perlmonks.org/

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I like how stable and how everything works smoothly in Debian stable, but the software is outdated. I miss some convenient features in new versions. Should I move to Debian testing? Are security updates a big problem?

>>59909036
the concept of "security update" doesn't exist on testing.

ubuntu lts is debian testing with security updates

>>59909036
>I miss some convenient features in new versions.
List 5 examples, otherwise youre talking out of your ass.

4 pieces of software can easily be rebuiilt/repackaged for newer versions

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>>59908807
>>59908770
>>59908356
>>59908153

python2 -c $'import math, sys, time\nio = sys.stdout.write\nw = 0; t = [i for i in "***** +++ "]\nwhile 1:\n print ""\n for i in range(int(math.floor(math.sin(w)*20+20))): io(" ")\n for i in range(10): io(t[i])\n t_=t.pop()\n t.insert(0,t_)\n w+=.1\n time.sleep(.025)'

>>59908877
They don't split packages from upstream and they tend to not patch them either unless absolutely necessary. Unlike other distributions some of which like to dip their fingers into everything for some reason, which in my experience seems unnecessary and causes problems. Debian comes to mind. Of course people will argue with me over this but I've compared Debian stretch to Arch stable on the same machine and Debian is full of bugs while Arch just works. Since package dates are similar (not during the freeze anyways) I can only gather that it's because they are patch happy.

No bully.

Check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_compared_to_other_distributions

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Guys, I've tried installing Slackware on my new desktop with NVME drive so many times over the past week that I probably shortened its lifespan. I can't get it to boot. Tried LILO, ELILO, formatting the EFT partition to FAT before trying those things again. Pls send help

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>>59909036
>Should I move to Debian testing?
Yes

>>59909106
systemd
linux-image
mesa
gnome
qbittorrent

that's five.

arch is a stepping stone

>>59909131
Debian is eternally fucked because they went all-in on 1000% free software

as soon as anything you or they want is non-free, everything is fucked

>>59909150
i asked about features not packages.

>>59909181
Where's the problem?

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>>59909181
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
cuckoldry is available aswell

>>59909181
You're confusing Fedora with Debian idiot. Fedora can't ship with non-free software because they (Red Hat) would be an easy target for patent trolls (e.g. MPEG).

>>59908993
>http
>when Let's Encrypt is free

>>59909182
better performance, better settings, better features xD

>>59909231
>xD

>>59909150
How will upgrading these packages change the user experience at all?
>Gnome
Yeah you'll get the gnome recipes app a little earlier oh and the redshift thing. Def upgrade bro.
>mesa
MAYBE you'll get some better performance but I doubt it would be noticable.

The rest?

>>59909181
No they didn't. They maintain a non free repo also. They don't have an excuse. Personally I saw bugs from only the libre packages.

>>59909227
free of what?

>>59909216
>You're confusing Fedora with Debian idiot. Fedora can't ship with non-free software because they (Red Hat) would be an easy target for patent trolls (e.g. MPEG).
Neither ship with non free repos enabled and it doesn't matter anyways because they both maintain non free repos. Whether they ship with the repo(s) added or not is irrelevant.

>>59909214
>suggesting nonfree software
and then people cry why debian isnt a fsf approves distro

>>59909289
You don't know what you're talking about. Debian has non-free and contrib repos. Fedora has only free repos. Do not respond to my posts any more.

>>59909319
fedora contains a repo which includes nonfree drivers

>>59909319
>please, stop confronting me with reality!

>>59909336
>>59909360
actually

theres no nonfree repo, the firmare is included in third-party repos
the guidelines allow them, but fedora doesn't ship them

>>59909407
>>59909360
>>59909336
>>59909319
Does anyone here even know what he is taling about?

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I shitpost on chans a lot more lately. I now have large folders with images and webms where the filenames make no sense so I use thunar thumbnails to find shit, the thing is, they're small and they don't work for video files. Is there some software that will help me with this?

I would like something that would fill the window with a grid of thumbnails of images in the folder while the filename would be over the actual image in a small font.

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>>59908952
>>59908807

>>59909448
cucKDE

>>59909448
whats wrong with f11

>>59909429
Fedora has proprietary firmware blobs that meet the strict "Binary Firmware" Requirements.

fedora is the worst distro
why does it even exist?
what gap does it fill?
what's the point of that half assed freedom but not freedom faggotry
ewww

>>59909525
Tell Intel to make their shitty wifi firmwares into FOSS.

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>>59909488
I'm on i3 and don't want to install the monstrosity that is kde just for this. maybe as a last resort.

>>59909493
what is f11?

>>59909448
>where the filenames make no sense
your fault

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Daily reminder to occupy flash.
http://occupyflash.org/

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>>59909764
Am I doing it right?

>>59909764
>Daily reminder
>Hasn't been posted everyday
kek

>>59909764
>implying anyone ITT is is still sing flash

>>59909182
>>59909243
>>59909246
This is how newer software is better:

linux-image:
better graphics, file performance, security

qbittorrent:
improved torrent speeds and can manage +1000 torrents
able to automatically add list of trackers to each added torrent

mpv:
supports youtube-dl

youtube-dl:
works with youtube, vimeo

gnome:
nautilus features in 3.22
redshift-like feature in 3.24

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>>59909764
>Uninstall flash, it's bad!
>But let us connect to all these domains goy!

>>59909845
Not an argument.

>>59909845
lol
>Now let's be clear: Disabling Flash Player in your browser will likely mean that some of the sites you use regularly are less usable (We're looking at you, Google Analytics. For shame!).

>>59909864
Not an argument.

>>59909845
this

>>59909764
clickbait trash, while flash shouldn't be used, please dont post that site again

>>59909874
Nice nonargument. Mind if I upvote your post?

>>59909895
did you forget, you're not on reddit right now.

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>>59909764
>run database
>anon doesn't like flash
>his facebook account is:
>his friends are: (reminder: check if they also don't like flash)
>his search history connected to his ip is:
>his twitter account is: (looks like he follows wikileaks: added to high priority list)

>>59909319
Yeah. RPMFusion is "Third party". You're right.

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>>59910012
you dropped something

>>59910066
What do you think they're using exabytes of storage for?

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>>59910066

>>59910030
isn't it?

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>>59910066

>>59910066
does tintoil even protect from anything?

>>59910258

>>59910030
It doesn't protect from CIA heart attack guns.

>>59910356 was for >>59910258

What's /fglt/'s opinions on Wayland?
How's it working out for you Fedora guys?

>>59909764
>>59909805
I'm still using flash until ニコ生放送's use HTML5.

>>59910607
>ニコニコ生放送
>HTML5

they already are testing

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>>59907513

Not even ashamed of it. I'm gay as fuck for Ryan Eggold.

Re-asking my question, for anyone here with experience with xmobar:

I use its native mpd integration to display what track is playing at the top of my screen. The problem is if I use the <track> variable, it gives no information, and if I used <file>, it displays the whole path, which is too long.

Is there a way to make it do a sort of side-scroll so I can limit the amount of space it takes up while still displaying the whole filename?

>>59910654
Yeah but only on 1 stream that airs at like 4am here.
You might be thinking for the regular videos where you can actually enable the html5 player for all videos.
But not live streams.

If all linux distros are essentially the same, how does Solus have a ~3s boot? I get 1 min and 38 s on my fedora laptop. I don't have an SSD, is it just the fact that they use an SSD while testing? or is that they boot with less services, I have only enabled very few services and have a non-graphical boot and this thing is still pretty slow.

>>59910790
They're not all essentially the same. There are different distributions depending on your needs.

There's no big difference between, say, Ubuntu or Fedora, but there would be between something like Gentoo and Ubuntu, or Moebuntu and Solus.

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>>59909845
> leaving the default settings on uMatrix
> not blocking everything by default

>>59910790
A follow up, is it possible to replicate solus's boot speed in Arch and get chromebook-level battery life?

>>59909143
can you at least tell me if I'll have the same issue with Gentoo?

>>59910934
IME with Gentoo it throws errors to console while you're trying to work if the HDD is failing.

You probably won't; Slackware is the worst distribution this side of Moebuntu.

What distro for a web server?

>>59907254
G(n)uess it works...

>>59911016
clearly Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>59909143
You realize the grub package is installed in both Slackware and its livecd, right?
>Choose not to install lilio
>Once the slack install completes run

grub-install /dev/sdX

>Mount the drive, if not mounted
>grub-mkconfig -o /where/ever/it/should/be

i was giving ubuntu 17.04 (gnome) a shot and decided I don't enjoy it. is it possible to download KDE/kubuntu without doing a full-wipe?

found some commands that might work but they are for ubuntu 16.

>>59907456
that acpi error is a bug since the 4.9 kernel. happens to me as well. it doesnt break anything though. switch to the proprietary nvidia drivers to get off nouveau.

>>59910683
Welp, just found out Xmobar doesn't support scrolling text.

I guess I'll just put a cap on the filename length and be done with it.

Peppermint or Lubuntu?

I'm looking for something light and fast for my shitty netbook with SSD and touchscreen (Windows/Firefox started to lag hard). Mainly used for programming, internet and some office stuff, though some games/movies would be nice too. I'm used to Linux at work/uni but never used one full time before.
I'm open to suggestions, the two listed above are just things I found are recommended for netbooks.

Also how many programs can run with Wine? I sometimes have to use some really obscure/small applications which absolutely won't get any linux support.

>>59911001
Thanks. Well I'm off to install Gentoo then. I guess it finally happened

Dumb question, I was install i3-gaps and I'm not sure I'm following this right. On Debian Strech following this guide: http://epsi-rns.github.io/desktop/2016/08/02/i3-install-debian.html

At the point of making and installing and I get the prompt

 No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.

Don't know what went wrong.

>>59911501
>http://epsi-rns.github.io/desktop/2016/08/02/i3-install-debian.html
cd into the directory where you cloned i3-gaps. ls inside make sure there is a makefile

>>59911501
>Stop.
Is there an ascii version of varg.jpg?

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>>59911596
Stop vargfagging.

>>59911567

 root@name: /i3-gaps# 

This is where I'm currently at and there's Makefile.am in here.

>>59911683

# compile & install
autoreconf --force --install
rm -rf build/
mkdir -p build && cd build/

# Disabling sanitizers is important for release versions!
# The prefix and sysconfdir are, obviously, dependent on the distribution.
../configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --disable-sanitizers
make
sudo make install

https://github.com/Airblader/i3/wiki/Compiling-&-Installing

>>59907333
It looks nice and you can configure it how you want.
I for example hat using Trackpads/points on my Laptop and sometimes there isnt much Place for a Mouse. So i like to have my Laptop with Manjaro and i3 so i can use it on the go without being slowed down by my Trackpad ( because i can do almost everything with my Keyboard)

So is Debian good for a desktop?

>>59911776
>linux
>looks nice

>>59911778
nah, install gentoo

>>59911790
I can choose two right?

>>59911776
How does linux look like?

>>59911844
yellow

>>59911764
Awesome, I think I got it now.

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>>59911844
>>59911790
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59911821
gbut gentoo sucks :DD

>>59911073
Well shit, let's see. Thanks

How do I get a more recent version of mpv on Debian stable/jessie? mpv 0.6.2 won't use youtube-dl, so I can't watch YouTube videos in mpv.

>>59912136
compile it your self

>>59912180
Why?

>>59912194
Because you are on a "stable" release distro and new software is not how it works

Wayland or Xorg?
I see a lot of people still using Xorg, but arguably wayland is superior

>>59912202
There is only a handful of software that supports native wayland. Everything else uses xorg-wayland,an emulation layer. You are better off using xorg untilk wayland is more developled.Give it 10 years

>>59912200
Why does Debian have stable software from 4 years ago? Why can't they have stable software from 1 year ago? REEEEEEEEEEE

>>59912218
Dont use antiquated distros if you want the latest and greatest.Simple as that

Question about dynamic linking

Why can't the linker just link to a symlink that it creates specifically to be used _only_ by the program you're compiling, and have that symlink point to where it needs to go? (probably another symlink which in turn points the actual library)

Aside from introducing a whole shitload of new symlinks, wouldn't this solve tons of problems we face on Linux?
Wouldn't this allow "universal linux package management"?

You could pick up any piece of software that runs on any other distro and guarantee its dependencies will be matched 100%. Even if it requires a version of a library that conflicts with the version you already have, you could install the new version anyway, leave the major symlinks alone (so no software on your computer is affected whatsoever) and just update the symlinks created by the linker to point exactly to the version that it needs.

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My computer keeps freezing. Can't use any escape keys and need to do a hard reboot.

How should I start to debug this? Not sure what logs to look at or things I can do.

I suspect that libre office is contributing to the problem as I have had a spreadsheet open today.

Otherwise I am mostly just using a web browser. Issue happened on Firefox so I was trying Chromium.

Over heating may be an issue as my computer gets hot, but still this shouldn't happen.

>>59912227
But I want stable software, too!!! REEE

>>59912278
What if i told you, you can have rolling release and have stable software.EVERY DISTRO has a testing repo before it comes in to the main repo's.Stop beliving the F.U.D

>>59912287
But Debian testing has zero security updates.

>>59912304
Again,dont use antiquated distros.

>>59912238
Don't you think we have thought about this, like a lot?
It's a complex problem to solve coherently.
Go look at how Nix and Guix solve it, it's the best package manager approach to this, compared to containers.
Tbh containers will most likely be the future and this issue is somewhat solved.

Thanks to the guy who told me to fuck off and read the wiki whenever I was asking for help with the USB encryption thing. I hadn't found anything on it before and just resorted to asking for help like a faggot but I went back and found out there was a dm-crypt/Specialties page and just had to duplicate the encrypt hook and make it an encrypt2. Everything is working find now.

>>59912333
Hey, im the guy that told you to fuck off.
I told you to read the god damn wiki.

LURK MOAR

>>59912304
Use Sid then like normal people do.
I run Debian stable on servers and few appliance projects, but on the desktop it's annoyingly behind.

>>59912262
Not sure how to debug, but just so you're aware you should never have to a do a hard reboot on Linux (by pressing the power switch)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses

You can try looking in /var/log/messages though
Another benefit of using the magic keys in the link above when your system freezes is that some software can actually save important data before you restart. So I guess it's possible some info might not even be getting logged if you're doing a hard reboot.

>>59912345
Yeah I was looking through the bootloader wiki pages and going through forums trying to see if I could mount more than one drive in bootloader.
Went back to wiki last night and today found the Specialties page for dm-crypt. Was barking up wrong tree I suppose.

>>59912329
>Don't you think we have thought about this, like a lot?
Of course, which is why I've been sitting on that question for months. I'm sure there's a reason it doesn't work, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why it wouldn't work, no matter how much research I do. I even tested it myself with some mini programs and it seemed to work perfectly fine without disrupting any of the existing linking used by other programs.

I've also tried looking into Nix but I can never seem to find any really concise technical explanation of how it works. I get that it uses a "nix store" with crypto hashes to describe the build environment of each piece of software, but how on earth does that enable different software to use different versions of the same library simultaneously?

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>>59912363
Thank you. I was trying to do some keyboard commands but didn't get anything to work. I just ran this: sysctl kernel.sysrq=1 to enable that functionality.

I just realized SysRq is an actual key on my keyboard, lol.

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I wanna add a text-only mode to my grub boot list so I can just write code in nano without the internet distracting me.

What options do I need to set so it'll throw me into a bash shell without an x server?

>>59912436
All packages are in the store, users "symlink" needed software essentially.
For an overall of the package manager:
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/guix.html#Features

And full out design
https://arxiv.org/abs/1305.4584

Guix is forked from nix, but they use guile as the config/front end language and have few additional features.

Main features, OS has a state where you can roll back (or forward).
You define the OS and features via config, and call guix/nix and it will roll the OS to that state.
It defines the all the blocks needed to build packages, making it very reproducible.
Allows users to install packages aka no need for root.
System could have 10 versions of mpv in the store, and you decide to use version 9.
You just call guix/nix as the user with appropriate package and voila.

>>59912582
If you can give me a sauce on that gif I can help you

>>59912681
>>>/a/

>>59912681
reverse image search you dumb nigger
>>59912582
literally 30 seconds on your preferred search engine could answer this
>>59912687
anime website

>>59912436
> I even tested it myself with some mini programs and it seemed to work perfectly fine without disrupting any of the existing linking used by other programs.

Ofc it works, but now do that to all packages(40-60k in debian for example), manage upgrades, manage meta data, manage building processes, patches... and so on.
You need to build a package manager to do all this and infrastructure to support it. Doing that isn't easy, far from it.

I'd suggest researching the topic more, dev lists for package managers should have a lot of discussions, on irc you can talk to ie. apt and rpm folk and you should read up more on guix/nix.
I'd assume there are few projects that do something what you thinking, but they are not used in mainstream/big distros. Embedded dev enviroments come to mind where such tool would be useful.

>>59912724
I've been searching for 20 minutes and I still don't have a suitable way to do it because nobody actually wants to boot into text only mode.

so, just that I get this right
when I use debian unstable, something may break
when I use debian testing, I may need to wait some days for security patches rolling n from unstable
so, which one do I install? testing seems more comfy

On Debian Strech, installing wifi drivers and I don't seem to be able to find any networks.

I installed the firmware-iwlwifi, but wicd doesn't pick up any networks

>>59912757
just run apt-listbugs before upgrading unstable

>>59912787
>Debian Strech
what is this, all I know is stable, testing and unstable

>>59912789
Is there something like this for Arch?

>>59912582
you could just;
1. add nano to your initramfs
2. use the "break=postmount" kernel parameter

this will leave you in the initramfs, with your fstab mounts available under /newroot

exiting will continue booting into your normal system

>>59912810
>stable, testing and unstable
Jessie, Strech, Sid

>>59912810
Debian releases are always named after toy story characters. Stable releases are wheezy, Jessie etc that change every release. Unstable is always Sid and testing is always Stretch.

>>59912857
debian 9 will be stretch
stop talking about things you know nothing about

>>59912856
>>59912857
ah, thanks

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>>59912262
>3.79GB RAM
>8.34 Swap
Don't get me wrong I like Manjaro but the default action of the installer is dumb. It wants to give you 2 times as much swap as you have memory and it doesn't separate / and /home. Not really a big deal since you can choose 'something else'. But still 2x the amount of swap as RAM is a little much. I realize that it used to be a rule of thumb but I think we moved past that a long time ago.

>My computer keeps freezing. Can't use any escape keys and need to do a hard reboot.
Sounds like what happens when you get close to maxing out RAM when you don't have swap. Htop shows it's on though, have you ever seen it move?

Check the output of the 3 commands in pic related. On the last one, if swappiness is set to 1 for some reason it could be the problem, change it to 60 (60 is normally the default kernel value). I'm not an expert though, good luck.

swapon -s

cat /proc/swaps

cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

>>59912869
This, Debian testing was Jessie when Debian 7 was stable

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>>59912869

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I want to spend the whole year no-lifing learning C++ reading all books from beginner - intermediate to advanced ( only the filtered ones, recommended by professionals and trying to keep their number tight ) - the rest will be open source contribution and random tinkering with algorithms. As a fun side-activity will be developing cheats for games that I will barely play, other that log-time to test cheats functionality nothing else.

Basically if I want to become a professional developer - I don't want to get into video games, but I don't know what other things to do either - maybe financial programming or who knows what - first I want to lay out my programming principles then I will worry more about this.

All this being said I'm highly considering working on linux for the rest of the year - I want to feel the computer better as I'm going to work closer to hardware ( I will also study assembly and C all this time ) - also I enjoy doing some reverse engineering and I found out that linux has some great tools just for that.

Now what do you guys actually think should I dive deep into linux or stick with windows? If for example I would end up considering financial programming - I guess most software will run of linux right and what other desktop development areas focus on linux mostly and which on windows?

Also if it ends up being linux that I should focus on - what IDE you recommend? From research I've done - I'm considering Vim, Eclipse or Codelite

and what compiler is the best to use long term - I'm considering to stick with intel compiler for the optimizations it can provide.

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>>59912932
>>59912869
So if you're using Debian stretch it switches you to the stable release? Won't you move on and keep being stretch i.e. testing repos or whatever for the next release? D-do they change the repos for you?

>>59912963
GNU/Linux*

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>>59912963
Definitely switch to Windows.

>>59913011
I never experienced a testing version going stable, new to using it. I believe the repos in time will become Debian 10, not like it matters anyway, you can easily change your repos.

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How do I get permission to move data from one drive to another? I'm one a liveusb version of Fedora. The backup disk is just 500gb of ext4 and the files are coming from a Windows disk

>>59907473
>less useful
Less useful than what? A walled garden not even capable of outputting useful information when things need fixing? Or how about we talk about how awful it is to migrate important data when reinstalling or changing operating systems. How about that super useful registry or the wonders of owning a computer that gets slower by simply using it.

I am so ready to go back to all of that fun.

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>>59913059
By default Windows saves the contents of RAM to your drive (hibernating).

So first question, is Windows hibernating? If so, turn off 'secure boot' or 'fast boot' in the BIOS and I think there is a fast boot setting in control panel or settings nowadays also. And properly shut Windows down. You can't access it if it's hibernating.

>>59910487
I literally did not notice. I'm not even sure I'm using it; I use the KDE spin.

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>>59913202
I can do whatever to the Windows disk, the problem I'm having is copying files onto the backup drive, even when I ran nautilus as root

>>59913059
>>59913202
>do not have permission to create it in the destination
Looks like he's accessing the Windows drive fine.
Hmm. Is the destination encrypted?

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>>59913234
It shouldn't be, it was an old disk I found that I just formatted when I booted into the liveusb
I think this has something to do with it

>>59913264
post the output of sudo fdisk -l

selinux vs apparmor for a desktop workstation and why?

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What the fuck happened to my swap partition? Why does it say Linux swap / Solaris? Have CIA Niggers been fucking with my machine?

>>59913231
So you cant write or create files on the drive which you intend as the destination? Is that drive mounted ro?

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>>59913284

>>59913287
AppArmor = not developed by NSA
SELinux = developed by NSA
pick one

>>59913354
What about the merits of each of them without invoking the nsa invented one of them argument?

>>59913336
show the output of mount

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>>59913378

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>>59913336
What happened to sdb3 and sdb4? Also none of these look formatted.

>>59912963
>financial programming - I guess most software will run of linux
I spent a lot of time last year studying about programming algos specifically in the futures and forex, and I looked and looked but all the client software is designed for windows. I've been using Linux for many years and the first time I actually used windows for something in a long time was to load up a windows VM to run Futures software called Sierra Charts which is one of the best software for futures. In fact I am actually seriously considering developing a Sierra Charts clone specifically designed to run on Linux, and I guess Mac OS too. I guess it could be the Gimp to their Photoshop or the Libreoffice to their MS Office.

>>59913406
>>59913336
So you have
922G partition /dev/sda4 mounted at /run/media/liveuser/5058976858974C1A
462G partition /dev/sdb1 mounted at /run/media/liveuser/backup
so can you write anything to /run/media/liveuser/backup/ ? like cd to that directory and touch a file

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>>59913569
T-there's nothing there, and I can't move anything to there

>>59913686
Was there supposed to be something already on the 462G backup drive?

>>59913744
There was another distro installed on there, but I formatted it to make it a backup drive

>>59913686
looks like it's newly formatted
if that's the case, the disk root is owned by root by default
you need to change the permissions, for example,

sudo chown $USER:users /run/media/liveuser/backup

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>>59913797
Bless you anon, now I can permanently leave Windows behind

>>59913686
>>59913797
this anon's command the shell will expand USERS to whatever user the shell is running as which looks like in that case should be liveuser, or it would be root if you happened to do something like switch user su

also fyi sudo cd lost+found executes a new shell process that will exit as soon as it is finished running the cd command so the next command ls doesnt get ran in that same subshell.

>>59913231
also be careful running stuff as root dont be this guy who ran firefox as root and got owned
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/62kkhr/xpostgentoo_user_apparently_was_hit_by_ransomware/
Gentoo user apparently was hit by ransomware on Linux, files in home directory encrypted

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/62htnu/gentoo_user_apparently_was_hit_by_ransomware_on/

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1060828.html
seems my Gentoo's been ransomwared!!

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>>59912924
Thanks, looks like my swappiness is at 60.

Any recommendation on what to set my swap at? Seeing some different opinions here: https://superuser.com/questions/16280/swap-partition-size-for-4gb-ram

Is it possible my swap just wasn't working earlier? It looks like it is working in general, I see it at 146M right now.

>>59913932
GN/Linux*

>>59913971
GLinux*

>>59913960
I set mine to the same amount as my RAM so I can always hibernate my laptop. I've never actually ran out of RAM and had to use the swap for that purpose. If you never hibernate and know you never use RAM to capacity just set it to something small and forget about it.

>>59913988
GNUL*

change my view: systemd is bad because it's unneeded complexity. The best thing about gnu/Linux is how it's simple compared to windows. Systemd is more than 10x the size of openrc, which is bad. Technically it's fine but there's no reason to use it compared to alternatives (obviously it's better than sysv but that's irrelevant at this point).

>>59914201
How can I change your view if it's correct?

I'll try lying though.

We can all agree that hating systemd is a meme.
Some advaned users do have their own valid reasons not to use it (maybe they're more comfortable with init scripts, etc).
But most people hear it's bad and so they propagate the idea, and blow it out of proportion without much research, consideration or thought.
When systemd first appeared, it was quickly adopted because not many people had qualms about it.
Those who did (and those were few) had their own reasons and thoughts (they didn't get meme'd into hating it) and moved onto other init systems.
Most of them were reasonable enough not to start a fucking civil war because of them, because even they knew that systemd is a natural step forward in general.
If systemd was as hated as it is now, it would never have been so widely adopted.
>So, how did this meme really come about?
Well, I'll tell you.
systemd is the most advanced init system in existence.
It's better than Apple's launchd and better than whatever Microsoft has.
It's arguably the best thing that's happened to GNU since Linux.
The jews know this, so they spawned a fake controversy around it in order to divide the community, sabotage the project and keep GNU/Linux from advancing as an operating system and gaining more market share.
Just think about it:
>Linux - the most advanced kernel in existence
>systemd - the most advanced init and service manager in existence
>free as in both freedom and beer
And now with Steam OS, Chrome OS and both Wayland and Vulkan maturing, it's only a matter of time before GNU/Linux becomes truly mainstream and takes over the gaming market.
But they were a bit late to notice this before the wide adoption of systemd.
That's how, even though it seemed like a natural step forward in the evolution of GNU/Linux back then, systemd is the most controversial topic in the FOSS world right now.

>>59914019
'GNU tools plus Linux Kernel compiled using GNU tools'*

>>59912418
Bruh i told you to go to the special cases

One day a big rain will come and wash all the systemd memes away.

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>>59913960
>Any recommendation on what to set my swap at?
Most people set it equal to RAM. That's what I do. Even that is generous though, but it's a safe bet. It's easy to resize. Just boot a live USB, open up Gparted. Right click swap and click swapoff (the live cd will detect it and use it) and resize it.

>Is it possible my swap just wasn't working earlier?
Maybe. The first command you ran, swapon -a, enables all swaps in your /etc/fstab file. In case it happened to be off. But in my experience it wouldn't show up in Htop if it wasn't on. I'm not an expert though.

>>59914562
>It's easy to resize. Just boot a live USB
you can run swapoff without booting into another system

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>>59914201

>Systemd is more than 10x the size of openrc
Systemd is more than just an init and it's more than just one thing. It's a suite of tools consisting of 69 individual binaries.

>unneeded complexity
It actually cuts out a lot of unnecessary code compared to older systems. For example in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure.

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Is it possible to move this unallocated space to /dev/sda1? Not sure why I even have an extended partition but it looks like it fucked me here. My / keeps filling up, so I shrunk /home. I don't know how to move the space now, though. I can't move it since it isn't a partition, and there is not space showing up if I just try to resize /dev/sda1.

>>59914622
an extended partition is basically another partition table, stored in a partition

the lazy way to do this would be;
1. move sda5 to the left
2. shrink sda2 by 20GiB
3. move sda2 to the right
4. move sda3 to the right
5. expand sda1

the faster way would be;
1. manually modify the partition table, removing sda2 and adding a primary partition with the same size and offset as sda5
2. move sda3 to the right
3. expand sda1

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>>59914611
If your /home is separate from root yeah you could get away with it. He's on a stock Manjaro install and as far as I can tell his aren't separated. How would you extend the swap partition into / while it's mounted? Are you going to unmount the partition your system is running on so that you can extend the swap partition into it?

>>59914673
>>59914622
actually, since sda3 is just swap, it'd be faster still to just delete it and make it again in the new location

>>59914622
Install gentoo on that partition

>>59914683
Why the fuck are swap partitions still a thing? Swap files are just so more convenient

>>59914698
Thanks

>>59914683
i can resize by btrfs volumes without unmounting them

>>59914706
>Why the fuck are swap partitions still a thing? Swap files are just so more convenient
I used one for a while. It was no different but it felt weird.

>>59914741
Are you a wizard?

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>>59914721
This is what I ended up doing btw
(posting pictures instead of scrots because the livecd has no network connection)

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>>59914783
>not
>/dev/sda1 - boot
>/dev/sda2 - /
>/dev/sda3 - /home
>/dev/sda4 - swap

How do you sleep at night?

>>59914783
that should do
just keep in mind moving partitions is slow, since it needs to read/write the entire contents to shift everything over

my second example isn't just a little faster, it's /much/ faster
the only reason i didn't only give that example is that it does involve editing partitions manually, and if you misplace the offset(s), it's a pita to find again

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>>59914835
>/dev/sda1 - boot
>not putting boot at the outside of the platter

How do you sleep at night?

>>59914752
>Are you a wizard?
na, btrfs is just flexible like that

theoretically, it should be possible to go as far as delete the root partition, overwrite it, remove the disk, and light it on fire
.... without unmounting it

you can add a disk to the volume at any time, then migrate all the data over to it, and remove the first drive, all while online

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>>59914562
>>59914673
Cool I will try this, although I feel I can spare using extra disk space as swap for now. Can I just reduce it if my disk starts getting full, I meant it won't hurt performance by having extra swap right?

So you have to use a live USB huh? I did not create any extra partition except for / so I guess that makes sense that you have to have that unmounted in order to extend it.

How did you know I was running Manjaro just from my terminal screen shots?

>>59915044
>I meant it won't hurt performance by having extra swap right?
right, more swap than is used affect nothing

>How did you know I was running Manjaro just from my terminal screen shots?
you said so yourself
>Don't get me wrong I like Manjaro but the default action of the installer is dumb.

>>59915018
Pretty funny if this is real

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>>59915044
>it won't hurt performance by having extra swap right?
No.

>So you have to use a live USB huh? I did not create any extra partition except for / so I guess that makes sense that you have to have that unmounted in order to extend it.
Yep. In your case you need to do it from a live USB for said reasons.

>>59915044
>How did you know I was running Manjaro just from my terminal screen shots?
The swap size being double the RAM indicated that you did a default Manjaro install. I've tested a lot of shit and Manjaro is the only distribution I've seen try to pull that. And the gtk theme is vertex-maia.

Also if you aren't aware, it can be really beneficial to separate your / and /home, choosing your own partitioning scheme isn't too difficult and it will probably come in handy one day. I actually borked my installation somehow today. I am >>59908435 and >>59908675 in this thread. Since my /home was separate I just reinstalled without formatting /home and everything was fine and dandy 30 minutes later with all of my files. It was actually quicker and more simple to just do that than to keep troubleshooting.

>>59915092
>you said so yourself
>>Don't get me wrong I like Manjaro but the default action of the installer is dumb.
That was me. A different guy.

>>59915315
>it can be really beneficial to separate your / and /home
I'm guessing I could do this through a similar method of using gparted on a live USB?

>I just reinstalled without formatting /home and everything was fine and dandy 30 minutes later with all of my files.
But those probably only specific files you save. What about software you installed or system settings? I guess that is still better than having to wipe everything.

>>59914840
Wasn't quite sure how to manually edit them. And yeah, shits taken 40 minutes already and isn't done.

>>59914835
I'm definitely not happy with the weird layout and numbering, but I often just forget about it until I run into space issues.

>>59915488
>Wasn't quite sure how to manually edit them.
yea, not surprised
while not /hugely/ risky, i tend to overestimate what most people can deal with
>And yeah, shits taken 40 minutes already and isn't done.
yea, it will take a while, just don't interrupt it, whatever you do

>>59915514
Should I still manually edit it after it's done so I can get rid of the extended partition and just have sda5 there?

>>59915532
if you like, but you'd be making the same edit as originally proposed, making the moves your doing a waste of time

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I've switched to Midori from FF due to the abject shittiness of my laptop. So far so good -- they seem to have fixed the constant crashing since the last time I checked it out.
I should probably have made this change sooner.

>>59915415
>I'm guessing I could do this through a similar method of using gparted on a live USB?
Yeah, if you have enough free space that you can shrink the / partition and fit your home folder in the free space.

>>59908540

I upgraded and it works flawlessly.
What are you going to do now? You have 2 contradicting pieces of anecdotal evidence. Has your retarded and simple brain exploded yet?

>>59915775
The post he's replying to didn't even have a kernel issue.

This post >>59908675 confirms that it wasn't a kernel issue

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>>59915018
Fixed the second slide

>>59915133
I saw it in a video and took three screenshots and made it into a gif. I did some research and traced it to the the Ron Paul forums of all places.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?174916-A-Microsoft-Ad-says-Terrorist-use-Linux&p=1902762#post1902762

Apparently the origin is this page, some guy named V. Subhash who makes FOSS satire.

http://www.vsubhash.com/article.asp?id=24&info=How_To_DualBoot_or_MultiBoot_Operating_Systems

I want to switch to Linux but at the same time I'm a gamer. I know its gay but its one of the few joys that I have. Everything would be so much easier if linux ran games. How long until game developers begin making games for linux? I play WoW most of all.

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>>59915955
PCs aren't made for games. Consoles are.

>>59915974
Idc what they're "made for".

>>59915955
Entirely depends on the goodwill of the developers. Some popular titles like Dota 2 run natively, others like WoW don't. If you're interested in a Windows only game you can try Wine, if it doesn't work well you can keep Windows in a separate partition or a VM.

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>>59915955
There are tons of games on Steam now and WINE usually works fine especially if you use playonlinux as a frontend. You'll find an install script for just about everything there which has a WINE configuration tailored to each game and puts each one in a different container for you.

>>59916085
Itd be so nice if I could just have everything on the linux system. A man can dream though...

>>59915992
There's no such thing as "made for".

Things aren't "made", they evolve.

Can I do GPU pass through on a windows VM on an optimus laptop?

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call me names and whatever but I cannot get centos 7 to do domain name
"domainname" just gives me "(none)"

I've tried editing hosts, hostname, hostnamectl, resolv.conf
"domainname this.domain" works but not through reboots

>>59916576
>"(none)"
that sounds like your kernel's hostname

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