WHAHAHAHA WHAT A JOKE

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>>59875438

much bigger increment than kaby lake desu

AYYMD REBRANDEON HOUSEFIRES

>>59875550
>comparing cpu to gpu gens
typical amdrone
gpus are just ADD MOAR COARS which should be basic knowledge for any amdrone, considering their history of MOAR COARS

>>59875438

>Comparing performance back to the 300 series to hide the fact it's a rebrand

AHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

So all they did is raising the clock rate which will make the cards either louder or hotter while barely changing performance?

>>59875438

>Measuring performance against a 970

Wow, thanks for the generation old performance, AMD. Can I see some benchmarks for how it fairs against the 8800GTX too?

>>59875438

>Scroll down to comments
>j-just wait for vega!

When will AMD finally just switch their official slogan to "Just Wait"?

I like it how Volta is releasing in Q2 2018

>>59875595
Of course its a rebrand, they want consumers to know theres a difference between it and the 400 series. Dumb consumers would be pissed if they bought the older card for a similar price.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA25V4Y28465

nvidias refreshing the 1060 and 1070 with gddr5x and upping the price, and the only way you can know theres a difference is the "x" behind gddr5, which the average consumer will probably miss.

>>59875662
>b-b-b-but NVIDIA!! Intel! KABY LAAAAAKE!!!!

Every time.

>>59875662

I like Nvidia can wait years to release new gens because their "competition" can't shit out anything but a mid range piece of shit rebrand of the same card for years on end.

>>59875598
I really doubt they'd make the card both faster and run cooler (like the leaked slides are suggesting) without a node shrink. And with a node shrink, you would probably have cards that can clock higher in general, with more OC headroom.

But yeah, there's not really anything interesting to see here until Vega.

>CALLE CALLE

>>59875688
>spend money on developing product
>make it sit in the storage because investors will love that

You'd make a great CEO

>>59875438
delete this sir
please

PLEASE

DELET

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>>59875438
Phew, my 480 stays relevant for longer.

>>59875707

Sounds great, I'd love my yearly bonus being bigger than AMDs quarterly profits on their latest Rebrandeons.

>>59875711
Your 480 wasn't even relevant when it come out. The Fury series is all around better in every way to both the 400 and 500 series, and it's not even close to relevant to something as low-end as a 1070, let alone a 1080, 1080ti or Titan XP.

>>59875734
Too bad the sludge in your brain is preventing you from that position.

>0 info about RX VEGA 11 which is the only card people actually want

>>59875438

Maybe if AMD spent less money paying AdoredTV to make daily videos trying to spin nvidia making more powerful graphics cards than the previous years offerings as a bad thing, and instead spent that money on R&D then maybe Vega would be out by now.

>>59875749
>low end
>1070

Want me to remind you that people play games on mobile Intel HD graphics?

>>59875711
Because GCN lack tricks like decent color compression and tiling rasterization, it's a lot more bottlenecked by bandwidth than FLOPS, so the 500 series rebrands make no sense to me.

>>59875757
/thread

>>59875755
Too bad the chink in your companies position is preventing you from moving past 18% market share.

AMD - Just keep waiting.

>>59875662
Meanwhile AMD has nothing to put against 1070 and above.
inb4
>memefire ashes of amd

>>59875749
>Listing cards only 600 people bought.

>>59875757

Just wait, the info is coming soon.

>>59875749
1060 is mid-range and the RX 480 competes with it just fine, thanks.

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Says something about Nvidia when there are situations where the 1080 does worse than a vanilla Fury from 2 years ago.

Great drivers.

>>59875778
>Bad Delta color compression
I thought Polaris actually had quite nice DCC implementation. Plus, above 8.5ghz memory clock there is no performance to gain. I have tested it with quite a few games. The only time higher than 8.5ghz gave performance increase when I ran metro last light and 3dmark at 4k settings. But then the card ran it at 19-25fps so whatever.

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>>59875832
The 1060 vs 480 situation.

>>59875832
>when there are situations where the 1080 does worse than a vanilla Fury from 2 years ago.

Like AMD partnered games such as Civ6?

But if you're shown an Nvidia partneredgame it DOESN'T COUNT FUCKING NVIDIA SCAM GAMEWORKS GOY HOUSEFIRE FUCKING KABY LAKE!!

Say it together with me now

It's
Okay
When
AMD
Does
It

>>59875789
"Let alone" means "Not to mention" means "This is another class of things, don't worry about it"

>>59875804
1060 is the bottom of the barrel, and is a very very low-end card with less than 1/3rd the power of a 1080, a 1070 has about 2/3rds the power of a 1080. Nvidia just put their lowest end most cheap Chinese plastic design at AMDs price level just so they wouldn't be assumed a total monopoly and face hardcore regulations.

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>j-just wait! in less than a year AMD will release mid range cards with HBM!
>2 years later and they have only rebranded GDDR5 drek

>>59875883

>4 years later they're releasing the 4th rebrand of that mid range card

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>>59875853
>>59875832
DELET

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>>59875867
AMD doesn't have a Gameworks counterpart, shill.

damn the buttblasted intel shills moved to nvidia now

also don't forget to sage

>>59875438
>comparing to two generations ago instead of one or comparing to the superior """novideo""".
So basically they still cnat make anything better than a gtx 1060 3GB.

>>59875757
JUST WAIT™
MAKE SOME NOISE©
JOIN THE ®EBRANDEON ®EBELLION

>>59875867
How adorable.

>a high end new gen GPU performs worse in situations against something that competed with a 980 2 years ago

>>59875901

And yet, there is gameworks tier disparities in their favour every time they get involved in a game.

Say it together with me now

It's
Okay
When
AMD
Does
It

>>59875907

>b-b-but Intel!
>B-B-B-BUT NVIDIA!
>Just you wait, AMD will totally destroy you fuckers in 2013, I mean 2014, I mean 2015, I mean 2016, I mean Q2 2017!

>>59875916
Stop spreading FUD, shill. Civilization VI is an AMD sponsored game and Nvidia cards run the game as good as AMD ones. Can't say the same about The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4

>>59875853
Keep picking and choosing your charts shill.

>>59875942
you have to go back

to >>>/v/

>>59875916
You have that green cock so far lodged up your tight ass it's practically drilling down to your belly button

>A company has scummy practices
>that means B company has them too
>meanwhile Nvidia offers zero support for open source drivers, wants you to update drivers from your faceshit account and tells developers to implement 256x tessellation level under the ocean where it isn't even visible lowering performance for both red and green

>>59875949
Nothing makes FO4 run better except for 3200 RAM.

>>59875438
>Comparing it to the 300 series
Now that is pretty fucking pathetic.

>>59875593
>to improve gpu performance you just add more cores
>literally thats the only thing they are capable to do
>instead of they they increase mhz by 70mhz and call it next generation
So this is the power of vega? :D

>>59875963

You have to keep waiting

>r9 290 is the 2500k of GPU's

>>59875916
I am assuming you are memeing but I will bite anyway. Gameworks uses techniques that actively hurt graphics performance on most cards (evan theirs, just more on AMD) for almost no visual improvements while radeon group tech improves performance on most cards (just more on AMD).

>>59875963

Jesus, when you AMD shills run out of arguments you rebrand and release the same posts as if they're graphics cards.

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>>59875963
You cannot deny that AMD cant stop making cards that can barely beat a 1060. Keep sucking that red cock until they give you your VEGA cummies faggot

>>59875985
But Vega has the same amount of cores as Fury X

i gotta admit, rebrandeon is a solid pun

Damn, the Nvidia shilling squad is at full force today.

>>59876028

Don't worry, AdoredTV has our back my fellow Radeon Revolutionary, his video will be up within 2 hours and will BTFO this Nvidiot shills!

>>59876007
>>59876006
>>59875990

>but m-muh gayming

fuck off and go back to your shitty containment board retards

>>59876028
And Team RedBrandeon hasny been for over 4 years?

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>>59875901
Only because they couldn't afford to embed advisers into vidya dev teams any longer

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>>59876028
Intelfags needed to move to something after finding out their next gen uses AMD graphics instead of Intel's.

And they're still kinda assmad about those blind tests and having their entire CPU lineup reduced to 2 SKUs

>>59875669
this is fake neither 1070 nor 1060 uses gddr5x memory, 1060 will use faster gddr5 memory, but you can pretty much overclock memory on 1060 to +9gbs already, so basically nvidia can claim better reference performance, which is very much relevant in reviews.

>>59876050

>Delusional AMD shill rumors

Yes, keep trying to hope that a successful company that doesn't have a market share in the low teens will let your tumor of a company latch onto it so you finally make some money.

>>59876050
Wait what.
Does it mean that the new iGPU on intel CPUs will not work with the intel drivers?

That's terryfying news for us Freetards. AMD has no clue how to make a working driver for linux.

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>>59876046
Are you telling me that these aren't gaming cards?

>>59875669

that's fake.

the UPC 824142132142 on that page leads to:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/467456/geforce_gtx_1060_gaming_x_6gb_gddr5_video_card

>>59876050
Intel develops their own gpus. Thanks to the retraded amerifat patent system they need license for shit like "what is shader". AMD just gave them better deal than nvidia.

>380 is just 280 rebrand
>480 is just 380 rebrand
>580 is just 480 rebrand

580 is just 280 rebrand

>>59875832
why there is no 7700k ? :))))

>>59875438
jesus christ i was really looking forward to the 580 but what is this

they're comparing it to obsolete stuff and acting like it's so much better

>STRIX GTX 970
>Launch $329

STOP

>>59876135

not an argument

>>59876133
>480 is just 380 rebrand
Don't go full retard now.

>>59876019
exactly they will increase mhz by 70, and call it a day, and when it can barely keep up with nvidia, they will blame them for buying up every game dev.

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>>59876080
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/1054618.html

Keep wailing, stuttering corelet.
This is Krzanich's best decision as a CEO since he got on the seat.

>>59876167
480 is 390 rebrand and 580 is 480 rebrand.

The 480's were very inconsistent overclocking and power consumption wise with some hitting 1250 and some hitting 1500, a huge difference when your clocks are that low. Performance has improved across a bunch of games as well. With these probably going near 1400 out of the box and the finewine the reviews will be much better.
They probably did it primarily for the reviews and to have something "new" to go with vega. I mean, it's objectively better than just not releasing anything?

ps where the fuck is vega we have no information and that MAEK SUM NOIZ video was months ago what the fuck

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>Comparing them to the 300s
Jesus fucking christ AMD have some self respect.

>>59875606
and it's barely an improvement over the 970

>>59876169
Vega is 1600MHz.

>>59876186
and 390 is 290 rebrand.
Last gpu amd actualy tryed was 290 5years ago.
No surprise nvidia is destroying them in highend

>>59876198
Should have just given specs of the card and price. All these other stuff they added looks so childish and stupid.

>>59876207
ATI acquisition worst day of my life. AMD will never make anything as good as my old faithful 9600XT.

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>>59875869
>1060 is the bottom of the barrel, and is a very very low-end card with less than 1/3rd the power of a 1080, a 1070 has about 2/3rds the power of a 1080.

1050/1060 is a failed abortion that doesnt even have a reason to exist considering that it came out after 480, is inferior and more expensive.
1070 is a strange thing. A monstrous overkill for 1080p, and a complete piece of trash in 1440p and UHD
Same with gtx1080 redundant for 1080p, insufficent for UHD, well maybe it's an OK 1440p card.

But even it is a bad purchase considering people whou bought it paid 900$ to play at 1440p for one year until actual functioning 4K GPUs came out.

>>59876206
if it's really at 1600mhz, being modest here, and they only had a bit of IPC uplift we're easily at 1080ti range. Who is fucking HYPE

>>59876206
>amdissapointment
i hope u ready your tears

>>59876232
it's not. it's at 1540.

>>59875869
>1060 is a the bottom of the barrel very very low end card
are ok in the head kind sir?

>This is the state of /g/

Depressing

>>59876050
Wtf? Intel + Nvidia would be so much better and would kill AMD, wtf

>>59876248
That's the clock of the enterprise Vega card, consumer crap always clocks slightly higher.

>>59876272
>This is the state of nu/g/
ftfy famalam

>>59876050
Intel is just throwing AMD a bone, if they wanted they'd make much better GPUs than AMD can

>>59875606
That thing was a beast back in the day.

>>59876228
1060 is competing with amd high 480 and now 580.
>TopKEK
Also, nowadays games even at 1080p uses so much power than maxed out even gtx1080 can struggle to keep constant 60fps. gtx1080 is very good buy right now for 1080/1440p gaming for 500$.

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>>59876232
>>59876206
>>59876232
>we're easily at 1080ti range.
Well Vega is a 4K 60 FPS GPU.
We already know that it
1 handles Battlefront and Doom @ 4K 60FPS
2 shits on GTX1080 because engineering sample appeared on online benchmarks
3 has HBM so it could possibly shit on a Titan XP in certain sithuations
4 has to be priced somewhat competitively because it's way overdue

I am hyped as all hells.
The only concern is availability.
They probably still cant manufacture that HBM memory in necessary quantities to saturate the market.

>>59876320
Like Larabee and Intel GMA?

>>59876325
Nobody has to worry about saturating the market with $600 GPUs

>>59876324
>Also, nowadays games even at 1080p uses so much power than maxed out even gtx1080 can struggle to keep constant 60fps
Name one game that chokes a GTX1080 @ 1080p and isn't CPU bottlenecked or uses some weird hairworks/physics shit

>>59876278
Current intel igpus used nvidia license you fucking retard. They're not going to use radeons for igpu.
see
>>59876131

>>59876335
>with $600 GPUs
>HBM
>600$
I feel like it's going to be a little more than that.

>>59876324
>gtx1080 can struggle to keep constant 60fps.
>on 1080p
With a system full of malware, yes.
Is that the typical machine of a nvidiot or just a simple Windows user?

>>59876325
1080ti is out and it pretty much plays any game maxed out at 4k/60, yet amd fags still whine and wait for the holy amd fail, which is bound to happen yet ago. Why do they keep delaying the release?

>>59876355
Fury X had a far more expensive HBM layout than Fiji does and it still sold at that price, and that was on virginal barely out of the foundry modules.

You think the two HBM stacks on Vega is expensive? You wanna know what else is expensive? 11GB of GDDR5X with all the traces and memory controller sizes it requires.

>>59876339
>uses some weird hairworks/physics shit
maxing out means maxing out, if you dont max out every slider, you arent maxing out, dont alter what maxing out means ok?
1080 can hold its own at high 4k/60 almost any game, but its not maxing out, so dont alter its meaning.

Let see the power draw of these rebrands. Housefire incoming kek

>>59876375
>Why do they keep delaying the release?
HBM

>RX570
*up to 2.4x the performance of a r7 370 (which is a rebrand of the 270 which is a rebrand of a HD 7870

>12% and 26% higher base clock for the same price or less
how is this bad? Nvidia got nothing but Pascal refreshes, too.

>>59876392
>enabling retarded FPS tanking features that can't be seen with a electron microscope

Mmm, 1080ti can't do 15FPS on 1440p with 16x SSAA, it's SHIT

Kill yourself

>>59876392
Ok just name one game that isn't an objectively broken piece of shit that doesnt work at all which doesnt run on gtx1080 @ 1080p

>>59876358
on ghost recon wildlands it barely manages 60 in tpu review.

>>59876410

>Nvidia releases rebrand
>AHAHAHAHAHHA FUCKING NOVIDEO CAN'T RELEASE SHIT AHAHAHAH BUY UP GOY
>AMD releases a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand of a rebrand
>Ah yes, higher clocks, amazing, truly another top tier release. Keep fighting for the Radeon revolution!

>>59876435
Wanna mention Fallout 4 too?

>using broken kusogames to further your retarded point of using highend 2017 GPUs on 2011 resolutions.

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what's wrong?
it means i can get a 480 for cheaper.
win-win.

>>59876410
It's bad because it's basically OC year old midrange card.
>Nvidia got nothing but Pascal refreshes, too.
Nvidia has the performance crown with several cards. It's ambarassing at this point.

>>59876344
Yeah, Intel is using their own GPUs using someone else' point-to-point CPU<->GPU bus, the effects are so dramatic their performance actually went down due to latency issues, truly great job from the geniuses at Intel.


How can you be so fucking clueless?

>>59875438
>550
>512 sp
>2017
>yfw zen apu is the same spec
who will buy this?
intel g4567 turds?

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Is this AMDs master plan?
Rebranding GPU forever so they don't have to make new drivers?

>>59876457
>muh performance crown
nobody gives a shit about $1000 graphics cards. Nvidia just isn't competitive in the $200 price range.

>>59876410
>Nvidia got nothing but Pascal refreshe

Which?

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>>59876508
>mfw some faggot's speculations on chinese cartoons forum
>mfw just wait
Aren't you getting tired of the same shit?

>>59876534
He's wrong, Nvidia's got nothing but faster VRAM memory until Q2 2018

>>59876521
The 1070 and even the 1080 are more popular than 480 on Steam. 4xx are fiasco.

>>59876447
Nvidia never releases a refresh, unless its a Ti, in which case its a pretty good refresh

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>>59876521
amdrones are literally living in apple tier distortion field

>>59876534
they rereleased 1060 and 1080 with slightly faster memory.

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>>59875869
>1060 is the bottom of the barrel, and is a very very low-end card

>>59876508
>yfw zen apu is the same spec
>who will buy this?
>intel g4567 turds?
If Zen gets a new techprocess and 4.4Ghz overclock intel is fucked a big time.

>>59876551
Only idiots click (yes) when Steam asks to spy on them. Only idiots buy 1080 or 1070.

>>59876578
No it's not, nobody but the 1% overclock.

>>59876565
But they are not 1180 or 1170? Wtf is wrong with that????

>>59876578
>if
>will
I'm dying here.

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>>59876511
They rebrand every time they finally have new drivers, thus tricking reviewers into re-testing the hardware

All according to their Fine Wine strategy

>>59876582
How you bought your gayme?

>>59876508
>RX 550
Probably meant for OEMs more than anything else as an inexpensive add on that they can make some profit on. You know, normalfag things.

>>59876551
>4xx are fiasco.

Considering the 4xx series increased their consumer graphic groups revenue by 30% in Q4, you're factually wrong.

>>59876609
You don't know which one you're buying :P

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>>59876582
What? Since when we have the choice?

>>59876207
I'm surprised you can even breathe being that dumb.

>>59876643
Thats objectively not true

>>59876649
I never accepted a hardware review.

>>59876649
you don't take part in the hardware survey unless you click yes when asked.
Steam still tracks your user behaviour, but they don't record your hardware configuration and scan your hard drive for installed software if you click no.

480's got so expensive recently, like, sapphire's 8gb and 4gb nitro+ cost almost $300 now. You guys think once the 580 comes out the price will be the same as the 480 from before? I am not willing to spend more than $200 - $250 on a 480/580 desu and while there are cheaper cards, sapphire's are always clocked higher and work pretty fugging naisu

>>59876671
They do, but they don't tell you.

>>59876675
They promissed about 20$ cut on a price
Obviously 480 is going to drop in price

>>59876671
They do

>>59876675
Wtf I wrote desu

I will still buy a RX 580

>>59876723
wat

>>59876723
>>59876928
Hello, reddit

>>59876905
Computex is a month away.
If AMD wont announce Vega launch date and MSRP they are fucked.
At this point this is something they simply cannot do.

>>59876971
And? I need an Upgrade for my GTX 960

>>59875654
Is it going to be the fury all over again?
ffs man, they pulled the same fucking shit back during the 300 series release.

I can wait this time at least not worth upgrading from a 980 if even the 1080Ti can't max out 4K on new releases.

>>59876996
>And? I need an Upgrade for my GTX 960
>he bought a 960
My 380X is still fine, kekeke

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>>59876949
>I have the ability to infere a person's browsing habits by analyzing single word sentences they post in a digital japanese cartoon discussion club

>>59877017
Im just hoping that the MSI RX 580 will be released within the next week

>>59876998
Vega was literally the first and the only GPU that even scratched the 4K when it came out and remained such until 1080.

if Vega is the new Fury then we're fucking golden.

>>59877028
4chan's been using cheeky wordfilters for over ten years baka senpai desu

>>59877045
Get the MSI RX 480 OC...

>>59877057
That actually wasn't the guy who originally even wrote desu, it was just me. I was just having a cheeky fun time making him look like a redditposter desu.

>>59877072
why should i get that when the rx 580 will be better?

>>59877045
It was already confirmed for the 18.04.

>>59877082
>t-that wasn't me I am just pretending

Sure.

>>59877055
The question is will they produce enough of them this time, if it is not far off from 1080Ti performance for a good price then I would be tempted.

>>59877083
>why should i get that when the rx 580 will be better?
Actually because 480 (or even OCd 470) is perfectly sufficent for 1080p gaming anyway and 580 is still a piece of shit for 1440P

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RX 580 mini when

>>59877120
well i only want a card for 1080p gaming

>>59877103
>will they produce enough of them this time,
My bet is no.

>>59877120
If the 580 can overclock better then I see no reason to get the 480, and since the 5xx series is on a improved process that should be very possible.

JUST wait

>>59877083
because it's the same card baaaaka

>>59877141
How much fucking volume do you think $600 GPUs are sold to kids and manchildren with shoestring budget? Steam being filled with Intel HD, Fermis, 8800GTs and Bonaire should tell you fucking everything!

>>59875869
>1060 is the bottom of the barrel
>best price/performance card on the market

How does it feel to be so stupid?

>>59877163
>1060
>good p/p
rofl this GAY

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>>59877103
>The question is will they produce enough of them this time
Hardly so.
It was a bummer to get your hands on a Polaris, with Vega it will be even worse,
> if it is not far off from 1080Ti performance for a good price then I would be tempted.
Considering HBM it may actually beat it 4K performance.

>>59877161
Threadly reminder that the 2nd most popular DX 12 card on Steam is the GTX 750 ti. The 7th is the GT 730, which is literally trash tier.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

>>59877163
It feels really comfy, considering my 1070 sli is what I consider a mid-range setup, and only cost me $660 to max out every game in 4k.

Because i was mentioned in another thread:

Has AMD now the better Drivers than Nvidia?

Just wait for Navi you stupid idiots.

>>59877204
>Has AMD now the better Drivers than Nvidia?
Yes.

>>59877197
>mid-range
>$660
Haha what. Also
>falling for the SLI meme

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>>59877223

>>59877197
>mid-range setup
>max out every game in 4k
>$660

Yeah, no. You're delusional.

>>59877191
I love steam, so full of poorfaggots

>>59877186
Even if it pummels the ground with 1080Ti at 4K if it is hard to get one here there won't be much point. Price drop on the 1080Ti hasn't taken effect down here yet, don't think it will happen anytime soon due to customs charging 300 straya bucks for imports over 1k.
If Vega manages to deliver under 1000 kangaroos that would be perfect, but considering HBM2 production at such low volume doesn't come cheap I doubt that will be the case.

Better holding off until next year's mid range lineup, or waiting on a discount on the 1080Ti, newegg australia seems to sell'em cheap but founders models only in stock so not much point yet.
I'll wait on Vega then decide if the performance is worth it.

>>59877229
I get literally double the FPS on 100% of modern games. The games old enough not to support SLI I can already run 4k 60fps with one card.

>>59877266
How is $660 a lot?

>>59877352
>How is $660 a lot?
That's almost as much as most people spend on their entire build. Get some perspective.

>>59877352
This guy is right >>59877385 my build cost me about that much and I consider it an entry build.

>>59877197
nobody in their right mind would consider a GPU near $400 to be mid-range

1070 is a high-range card, 1060 is mid-range.

>>59877385
That's horseshit, I build for people all the time, it's usually between $900-$1100 and that's poor ass college students and minimum wage burger-flippers. How are you guys so fucking poor?

Guys remember this is /g/ and most faggots here have no grasp of reality when it comes to average consumer and their gpu/system budget.

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>>59877415
>1070 is a high-range card
For anyone who isn't an AMD pajeet, no it isn't.

>>59877443
Oh it's you Ramesh. Nice to see you again.

>>59877436
>Replying to a bait thread

>>59877436
>this is /g/ and most faggots here have no grasp of reality

fix'd

>>59877352
>How is $660 a lot?
a couple years ago $500 was the maximum you could pay for a GPU.
Today Nvidia wants you to believe it's normal to pay that much for a GPU.

Which Manufactor is the best for AMD Graphic Cards?

>>59877487
I didn't pay $660 for one GPU I payed $330 for each of my two GPUs.

>>59877496
sapphre

>>59877496
XFX/Sapphire. MSI has decent ones.

>>59877496
A lot of people seem to throw saphire around, but I have been reading of people having issues with their RMA back during the 290X. They outsourced after sales support to some shitty third party not sure if it has changed by now.

MSI seems to be best so far, Asus is not recommended since they reuse their NVIDIA coolers.

>>59877479
Sorry I'm tired and forgot no feeding trolls policy. I'll be leaving now.

>>59877496
sapphire desu, i got their rx 460 4gb for $110 and got it to OC stable from 1225mhz to 1335mhz and the memory from 1750mhz to 2000mhz. i got it for 720p @ 75hz gaming and wasn't expecting much but was bery surprised at how reliable it is even for 1080p gaming.

>>59876320
Intel should work on paying denbts before Ryzen hits laptops.

>>59877443
>1070 isn't a high-end card
>only has 1080/1080ti ontop of it
>excluding Titans because they shouldn't exist because of how stupid they are.

>>59877571
amd never had better mobile cpus than intel, never will

>>59877161
I imagine a significant product run as its their pro gpu too, they are just binning the best to pro and consumers get scraps.

If they want marketshare and make sure devs/publishers dont just say fuck it and make nvidia exclusive games, there will be a flood of mid range 350-450$ vegas and some higher clocked/full chip variants in the way of full vega and a nano, potentially a sku above that that is the pro gpu but on a fantastic cooling solution they pit against a titan Xp

Granted im still only really thinking initial launch vega will be better then a 1080 and at best closer to a 1080ti then it is to a 1080, it will hit that mid area for 500-550$ if they don't put a watercooler on the good vega.

>>59877670
Ryzen has better power efficiency and comes with better iGPU. It's going to kill Intel in the laptop market.

>>59877670
Considering their cores use less power at lower clocks while their GPUs are miles ahead of Intel's, I'm pretty sure they'll be fine, and those mobile CPUs won't be limited to 2 cores at 15W, but 4 core :)

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But AMD was supposed to kill Nvidia this time...

...wait are you Pajeets trying to cheat me again?

>>59877719
>while their GPUs are miles ahead of Intel's,
Not anymore, since AMD is boltstrapping what I guess is Polaris based GPUs with HBM2 into kabylake-G series by the end of the year.

AMD will probably keep Vega to itself, and only license gen -1 to Intel

>>59877670
With a 1 billion dollar fine going to subsidize laptops in the EU, doesn't matter if they're 'better'. (Tho a Ryzen platform will still punch the fuck out of Intel in a lot of work loads)
That with a subsidy they're going to be so cheep that it'll fly off the shelves.
Then you'll have a shit ton more people shilling for AMD after that.

>>59875438
wait, a reference design with an open air cooler? this either means amd realised that blower style coolers are a joke or more realistically, the 500 series is such a furnace that a blower style cooler is not good enough.

>>59876325
Why are you using well optimized games, especially Doom, as benchmarks? It'd be like saying a card runs Overwatch at 4k60

>>59875438
It's not Vega tho.

>>59877727
No, you confused the 580 for Vega.
The 580 is still better than a 480.
But there's no reason to get it if you have a 480 already. Unless you want to overclock more. The 580 should get a fair amount of Mhz more.
A secondhand 480 should still sell well.

>>59877842
AMD has plenty of SKUs that came without a blower cooler.

>>59877842
I think they want it to stay at its boost for much longer to differentiate itself from the 480, but honestly, this should be a welcome change. Blower style coolers are always noisier and hotter.

I guess you can make the case that they are better in multiple card setups but the OEMs always seem to have at least one low end blower edition of their own if that's what you want to do.

>>59876392
Maxing out use to mean maxing out, where there was a perceivable difference between high and ultra without getting a screenshot and zooming in 8x

Fact is most game engines have max settings and then retard settings. gta5 did a service to people like you by taking retarded 'break the engine' settings and putting them in their own menu

doom is honestly the only game to come out in nearly 10 years that doesn't have max settings that equal game breaking and actually have a perceivable jump each time, mirrors edge also takes a second place for this because its max is pretty much unplayable sans sli.

You want to know what settings I dont consider for maxed out? Anything that is personal preference, motion blur, AA, depth of field, or proprietary.

I hate chromatic aberration as its a flaw in photography, I don't need processing power to go to making the image worse.

depth of field would be ok if it was eye tracking based, but I notice something further back and to the right, i have to now aim there in game to get it to focus there? fuck that (cynematic dof should be on if its an option)

motion blur, just fuck that effect, the moment a stutter happens or the fps goes low, its a shit effect, it works in film because the frame rate is stable, in a game, low fps should have more blur and high should have very little but it doesn't work that way

and aa, nigga I know my screen has jaggies, I don't need you to blur the edges to make me thing it doesn't, especially when aa can halv if not 1/4th the fps depending on implementation kind used, post aa is dog shit and should never be touched, and the good stuff is to demanding to justify the price unless you pay a retarded sum for a gpu

>>59877934
IIRC the stock 480 rarely ran at its full boost clock unless you cranked up the fans to WHIRRRRRRING sounds level.

And this is clocked higher, so compared to a reference 480, this should be pretty decent improvement, not worth upgrading for anyone with a 970 or higher though.

>>59876451
you can make the point that if you want 144 lock
you can make fringe points on games that are horribly coded
you can even make an argument for why would you buy a higher then 1080p monitor when its a side grade for what you really want, new better contrast display technologies.

Any good reason to move from my r9 390(x) even now? I'm not deal with footling fire spitting cards anymore fuck that

>>59877184
the best is the 470, likely the 570 depending on price, the 1060 6gb isn't bad p/p just not the best

>>59876392
Let me max out AA on my 1060
>Barely runs.

For how long have waitfags been waiting? Since 2013 or so?

>>59877496
Generally sapphire. Though XFX GTR 480 was the best 480 last year.

>>59877505
you paid 660$ and think its mid range.
back not even 10 years ago, 500$ was the most gpus cost, that was extreme high end gpus.

>>59875869
BAIT

>>59875980
>Now that is pretty fucking pathetic.
thats what most people who would be upgrading to a 580/570 would be upgrading from.

>>59876996
My GTX-780Ti laughs from afar.

>>59876508
>>59876626
Its the 'oh shit i need a gpu but dont need a gpu' card.

I think this style of low end gpu is better then integrated options, it may cost more, but lets say a 2600k isn't really obsolete, but new codes come out, so instead of replacing the cpu, the ram, the motherboard, needing to reinstall ever application you use, they instead give you a low power, faster then integrated gpu.

You are now able to upgrade the part of the computer that outdated instead of the entire computer, and for people with graphics cards that are worth a damn, we don't have to pay for a fucking integrated solution.

>>59877727
> RX480 drops price
> GTX1060 BTFO
> Vega comes in
> 1070 and 1080 BTFO

>>59878112
My first serious GPU was a GTX 480 fermi monster, it cost $500, for the time it ran all modern titles at 60fps 1080p with no AA. That was not great for the time, and once I got a second, spending a total of around $1000 I was finally able to put AA on everything and play it 60fps 1080p for another 4 years. A high-end setup back then was about $3500, today a high-end setup is about $4000. Being able to overkill the standard for the time it is made is what I would consider high-end. Being able to come close to maxing, but still need to reduce for some games is what I consider mid, and only being able to max the old standard and not come close to touching the new is what I consider low. The new standard is 4k 60fps. What makes my PC mid-range right now with a $660 video solution is the fact that completely maxed 4k with 8x hairworks msaa TW3 I only get 54 FPS :( So I have to reduce to get 60, that's the difference between high and mid.

>>59878026
depends on how they got the higher clocks,

is it because of process improvements? if that's the case these may not be out of the box oc'ed to the max.

are they selling good binning gpus to the people?

>>59878271
you keep confusing high end with retard.

>>59878275
>are they selling good binning gpus to the people?
Nah, these are still going for embedded. Process imrpovements and better yields.

>>59878275
The slides say "3rd gen 14nm FinFET", so it's LPC vs LPP, so mostly it's process improvement, like Kabylake

>>59876375
AMD(c) FineWhine(R) technology

>>59878296
You define high-end then shithead, price shouldn't matter when talking about the capabilities of the cards themselves.

>>59875867
except amd doesn't
when its an amd partnered game, both gpu's run great and maxed out.
ot atleast they are comparable,

when its gameworks however, none of them run with hair physics!
and without hairworks only nvidia does. amd is hindered.

so no,amd doesn't yoi think so because amd's cards run better then nvidia in an amd partnered game, but you forget that they don't purposely hinder nvidia cards. they just boost amd cards.

>>59876375
>fag ITT whines that 1080 can barely do 60FPS maxed out at 1080
>suddenly 1080ti can max out 4k at 60FPS, almost as if someone believes GP102 is 4 times faster than GP104

Make up your minds

>>59875438

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtyaGppWknE

vega next month

>>59877406
i build one for 500 5 years ago
IT CAN STILL RUN ALL MODERN TITLES

literally. those expensive cards are eye candy placebo.
turning the graphics from ultra to medium, doubles it easily mostly.
according to those benchmarks and shills, i could barely watch youtube with my specs
low end hardware is working just as great. i can run all the modern titles with a 5 year old 500 dollar build.

i can rebuild my pc for 100 dollar today. using some second hand parts, feels great.
i don't need more then 45 fps, you don't see the difference above 45. anybody claiming they do is lying. turn off the fps meter and try again.

>>59878351
Wut?
http://www.pcgamer.com/gtx-1080-review/

1080 completely overkills every game in 1080p averaging 120-200 fps in most modern games. 1070 overkills every game in 1080p, getting around 100-160fps in every game.

>>59878489
The 1080 can't really MAX out 1080p, 64x tessellation, 16x SSAA, every post processing effect maxed..

>>59878511
Those aren't settings in a real game. 2x SSAA 1080p means it's rendering in 4k, for one... For another nothing has 64x tessellation.

>>59878511
>the 1080 can't max out retard-tier super placebo electron-microcscope required settings

OH no

>>59878548
Witcher 3 hairworks was 64x tessellation when it came out

>>59878577
That's amd only :(

>>59878620
AMD has a tessellation slider and using sane 16x on it is a pretty cheap way to get more performance.

>>59878476
I was running a GTS 450 in arma 3 for a while.
Got a 1060 now, not any more playable... Sure the textures are great, but effectively no more draw distance, and the same dips.

>>59878647
But you don't have a card that can perform well in 4k at all yet. Not even card(s) that can work together to perform well at 4k yet.

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>>59875438
>https://videocardz.com/68450/amd-radeon-rx-500-series-official-specifications-and-performance-leaked

>Comparing everything to the R9 380
>TFW I have a R9 380 and they are blasting my shit in


Feels batman

>>59878687
Well, the 480 is pretty much a 1080p GPU and 1440p one overcloked with some settings lowered, 4k is pretty niche but I get what you mean, still no reason to say no to free performance.
Vega isn't that far off anyhow, Computer/End of May

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>>59875606
Thing is the 970 is the most used card currently according to steam stats

People are looking to upgrade off of it

>>59878668
Arma 3 is a weird beast, the game's performance is actually fully relative to your RAMs performance, it's fucking stupid. The game itself gets maxed by a 970, better cards just get smaller returns, it's actually all about RAM clock and RAM latency. Fucking weird as shit. http://www.overclock.net/t/1576196/ddr3-vs-ddr4-timings-and-speed-comparsion-in-arma-3

>>59878718
>Computex*

>>59875438
Not an argument

>>59878731
Sounds like FO4

>>59875438

>Implying that Nvidia doesn't do the same bloody thing

> My 460 => 560 rebranding! (GF104 parts)

> My 680 => 770 and 660Ti => 760 rebranding (GK104) parts

>>59878708
>tfw I added a 380x to my 380 for ghetto crossfire last August

Just fuck my entire life up famm.

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>>59878731
Its CPU limited and has been since popin off DAYZ mod times

FAST two core CPUs in arma is as good as it gets

Faster ram givings faster caching for the CPU so it will have an impact but mainly its CPU clock speeds/IPC


Honestly looks like the RX 560 with 1024 cores and good clocks will be an amazing budget 1080p card

Ryzen quad core with RX560 for 60hz 1080p gaming might be a winner for a lot of budget concerned gamers(parents)

>>59878718
>4k
>niche
4k has been out for 3 years now, and has become the standard, a 4k monitor is cheap now, as is a 4k tv. I would know, all of my devices (except 1440p smartphone) are 4k at this point.

>>59875438
glad I got my rx480 instead of waiting for this

>>59878801
It's niche because not even 1% of steam has it.

>>59878731
Thanks for the info. Guess I better learn how to overclock. Card's already overclocked. Just my CPU and RAM to go. But it's a pain in the ass should I go to far, gotta re rig my RAID array should I need to reset CMOS.
Any good resources for that? Tried following a guide, but different BIOS are a bitch to figure what's what.
That and not fully knowing what each setting is.

>>59878808
What? I don't own any steam games that don't support it. Even Half-Life 2 supports it for Christ sake.

>>59878827
Under 0.80% of steam users have 4k monitors.

It's very niche currently, it's a standard, but not one everyone owns yet.

>>59878708
I have r9 380 2g and i feel that 580 isnt enough of an upgrade i will wait for vega or bbuygtx1070

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>>59878766
This has been a thing for about a decade now.
Most rebrands drop down a spec thing is the RX400 and RX500 line have been their midrange cards so far.
I am going to be the Vegas chips are going to blast ass on the Nvidia cards especially in DX12 or Mantle API games
Nvidia is shit tier scaling in DX12 and is not adept at spreading workload on CPU cores well. Crossfire RX480s net a 40% improvement over single 1070 in DX12 because AMD drivers actually work right in DX12 so the CPU is less limiting the frames

>>59876228
5 years ago a 1060 would've been a budget $100-$150 GPU

The 1070 a $200-250 GPU

And the 1080 a $300-350 GPU

what the fuck happened to the gpu market

>>59878841
That's nuts, is that why steam is so fucking tiny and blurs when I change the dpi scale to 150%? How does steam know my resolution? That's pretty damn intrusive if you ask me.

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>>59878878
They know everything about your system
The collect everything hardware related

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

>>59878871
Butt coins. Like any tool they're valued at the profitable workload they can achieve.
>Why should we sell you the card when we could use it to make money, you'll have to pay more.

>>59878878
>how does a privileged application running its own UDP/TCP socket know everything about me

Magic?

>>59878897
Looks like this little application is going into a vm sandbox. This is why it's always better to pirate everything you buy.

>>59875438
AMD blew their load on Ryzen didn't they?

>>59878932
Not an argument

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>>59878871
Its really weird when the best price to performance card Nvidia has currently is the 700$ 1080 Ti

Used to always be the mid range budget card was good enough
This changed around when the GTX 700 series came out
Last solid budget card from Nvidia at launch was the GTX 660 Ti

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>2017
>people still buy AMD

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>>59878959
>2017
>People still fanboying brands and wanting limited competition so the product they like stagnants and never improves

>>59878959
like me, some people are poor. I saved up for my Skylake :3

>>59879000
Hey, nobody is saying that man. We talk shit to each other all day long, but in the end we need each other.

>>59879034
No we don't, I can live with either AMD or Nvidia dead, I would just end up paying more.

>>59877204
Yeah, it's not even a question, AMD's had better drivers and software for the past year now.

>>59879078
Geforce Experience proves you wrong

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>>59879099
>Geforce Experience

>>59879099
Look my facebook crew, I updated my drivers! About once every 3 days! Isn't it great? I'm such a nerd lol lets play farmville on my 1070

Typical nvidiot.

>>59879099
No, geforce experience proves me fucking right

I'm actually switching to AMD specifically because of how stupid this bullshit spyware and "please login to the facebook botnet" is.

I literally have to use outdated drivers just to get something that works and doesn't pester me to fucking log in
seriously, logging in just to use driver featuers WHAT THE FUCK

>>59879149
You must have never experienced the Razer experience if this is surprising, these faggots lock you out of custom keybinds without a login.

>>59879149
It's optional..
AFAIK. Got my 1060 a bit before the 1080 Ti came out.
OR
You're cucked by your countrys laws allowing them to not give you an option. Try a proxy.

>>59876090
There is already an open source Radeon driver, though. It even supports Vulkan.

>>59879149
>>59879125
It gets better when you realize the actual reason for it

nivida were/are going to put their shadowplay and streaming features behind a paywall and getting people to make accounts beforehand is like a little extra lube before the anal fisting happens.

>>59879149
when you install drivers select custom install then unselect geforce experience

>>59875438
Its a solid card as long as they price it right.

Its 100mhz higher boost and the overclockers say its hitting 1540mhz easily. That puts it way ahead of the gtx 1060 and matches it with a Fury nano. If its a 200$ card then its fantastic.

>>59879149
This. Only bought the 1070 because AMD had to offering in that range for me. The second vega drops Im selling the 1070 and buying vega

Ive used both AMD crimson and Geforce and my god Crimson/catalyst is so much fucking better.

AMD has the better interface and better drivers now so as long as they are close in price and performance i will always buy them over teambabyshit

>>59878337
you spend 3500-4000$ on a computer, you did something fucking retarded. the only way I could get close to 4000$ was by putting a 2tb nvme drive in the computer and just adding the most expensive 64gb of ram kit available.

The most the computer I built it I used real parts and not just picking the most expensive shit possible would be around 2000$

AYYMD
REBRANDEON
HOUSEFIRES

>>59878878
>How does steam know my resolution?

Because every single program knows your resolution, you dumb fuck. It's a basic function of running an application.

Also, the hardware survey is default disabled, you have to opt-in.

>>59879000
>wanting limited competition

I don't want it, but that isn't stopping AMD for never competing anywhere above the poorfag mid range.

>>59878897
>>59878926
It's opt-in you retards.

>>59880974
>bought the 1070 because AMD had to offering in that range for me

Ummm Vega is an expensive GPU man.
8gb if HBM2 is expensive as fuck

Expect a $650+ price tag

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>>59878708
>>59875438
>they make more better graphics
>when I upgrade I get more for less dollaroos
This good :DDDDDD YES MAKE BETTER

>>59881498
they have a 4GB HBM2 Vega model too but i doubt somehow it will be released.

>Implying i'm not going to buy a 8gb hbm 2 card
Hahahaha poor fag detected
>Expect a $650+ price tag
Yep.
Don't expect it to beat out the 1080ti

BTW i live in the 11th most expenive country I have to pay 3x that amount but if it lasts years then its worth the risk

>>59876133
280 was a 7950
380 was a 285
480 was a new chip

>>59876135
It is from a review of a $250 chip. The 7700k isn't relevant. The r7 ryzen are included because it shows exactly what you are giving up by dropping to the cut down r5. Some tasks run exactly as well on fewer cores others don't. It's like why you would show big i7s in a 7700k review and vice versa.

>>59875438
That's Polaris
Evolved
not Vega

>>59881824
>Evolved

>>59881884
good move Polaris is not even a year old They are not going to drop a new technology every single year Imagine the pain on developers

>>59876186
480 is a 232 mm2 chip with 32 rops, 256 bit bus, and 2304 cores on a 14nm process.

390 is a 438 mm2 chip with 64 rops, 384 bit bus, and 2560 cores on a 28nm process.

They have similar performance in gaming but are quite different chips.

>>59877249
>opengl
dx9/dx11 is miles better for pcsx2

>>59881931
>nvidia rehashes gpu tech JEWS KIKES FHHCDGH NO NEW GEN EACH YEAR
>ayymd does just simple factory oc
>i-it's good for devs
amdtards are pathetic

>>59876355
Good thing nobody cares how you feel

>>59881978
Fucking lol
currently ogl renderer is the most accurate and under active development. Stop using 2+ years old builds.

>>59882099
then why is the performance shit?

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Oh no, reference cards get a dual fan setup
ref rx 580 has higher boost than strix 480 in oc mode. 8 pin power so you can turn up the voltage. Powercolor 2.5 slot 8+6pin housefire spotted, rx580 eur price revealed, $230 converted to usd. rx400 series on price cut in 5 days. LOLOLOLOLOL what a shit

>>59875438
This is the most retarded fucking company ever and I'm saying that as someone who built their first pc with a 290x. I loved it... and ever since then I kept waiting for them to make something that was good. WOW a 390 guys. WOW a 480 guys. WOW a fury guys. And they were all fucking overpriced shit. Now they dropped the X90 from their branding? For what purpose, to make an 80 look better than it is? I'm done. I'm not buying anymore of this poor fuck shit... All they do is rip people off.

DONT FORGET TO DOWNLOAD YOUR NEW DRIVERS AND INSTALL MUH RAPTR AND PLAYS TV AND RELIVE
OH BY THE WAY FUCK YOUR MSI AFTERBURNER WERE MAKING THAT SHIT USELESS

fuck amd. I'm done.

>rx 580
>compare it to a 380
>forget 390 exists because you stopped naming things 90.
ha. nice try faggots.

>>59882734
400 series was the successor to the 360-80

580 probably puts polaris on par with hawaii

>>59877496

Sapphire was first to the market with a Vapor Chamber cooling solution with the 5xxx series, which they've reasonably maintained for quite a while; and their implementation was really good. Plus their card quality is very good.

>>59879149

>outdated drivers

Nigger, you can get the latest from their fucking website without having to log in. Are you that autistic that you can't traverse the web to find the driver for your own card?

>>59877982
>anti aliasing is not maxing out
look at him, look at him and laugh

>>59876675
You just missed a sale on one of the best 480s on the market on newegg (The XFX GTR). Ended like 2 hours ego and you could get it for $239 with a $30 MIR AND free shipping. Great deal.

Got myself one and it should be coming clocked at a nice 1,338Mhz.