What the fuck just happened

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>mfw I live in a very sunny country with extremely high fuel prices due to taxation
I'm getting one of those convertible roadsters if I can afford it

Another lithium hog

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>>59874989
Truckers all across America blowing out their asses in truck stop restrooms for some odd reason.
>rip

>>59874989
Yea? Europe already has semi trucks that are hybrid, if I'm not mistaken. Eurpoe has vehicles that put our north american ones to shame.

>>59874989
Muskboos not welcome on /g/

>>59874989
Oh look, another scam.

>>59875038
there's US based hybrid trucks too, a large portion of the UPS fleet is hybrid

>Tesla pickup

>>59875038
And electric buses. They are nice.
http://www.eltis.org/discover/news/barcelona-unveils-electric-buses-and-rapid-charging-station

>>59875061
>>59875049
He's basically coasting on
>Hey, the reusable rocket worked

>>59875103
it would be good for towing, but the milage would be shit

>>59875103
he said semi not pickup. we're talking about tractor trailer, not f150s

it's 2017 and commercial self-driving cars are still "5-10 years" away like they were in 2007

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Electric short range trucks are the new big thing.
There are hundred thousands of municipal services and millions of businesses that might be interested in purchasing them.

>>59875716
>pickup truck unveil in 18 to 24 months

Makes sense, semi trucks needs torque

>>59875762
Yeah my dad has a van parked at his shop which he just uses to transport boxes of stuff to customers in the area or to freight companies that ship it elsewhere
He never travels far with it, it can easily be charged overnight if it was electric

I'd guess many businesses have something similar

>>59875851

Think of near to 0 maintenance cost, tax benefits, no gasoline costs etc.. Electric cars is really much more intresting to professional vehicle/fleet operators than to private users from financial benefit point of view.

>>59875960
>Think of near to 0 maintenance cost, tax benefits, no gasoline costs etc.. Electric cars is really much more intresting to professional vehicle/fleet operators than to private users from financial benefit point of view.
Only for the first few years, watch as the state will cross out all those neat tax benefits like they did with block-type thermal power stations in germany. Fuck those assholes, now I have an oil swallowing gas destroyer that doesn't even return the investment because of low energy sales prices that get forced down our throats. You should expect to get extra taxed since you take away the jobs of the poor gas station attendants.

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>>59874989
>pickup truck
I wonder who's going to be the first one to solid axle swap it and take it off roading

>>59876138
gas station attendant isn't a thing here

>>59875772
goddamnit now i have to do sodoku

and Hyundai's self-following semi fleet isn't as cool as an electric truck with nvidia inside?

>>59874989
Yes trucks need to be replaced by something cleaner

>>59875762
I see those driving around in my 15k German town

>>59875960
The few yearly proprietary tesla maintenance cycle is very expensive, and becomes completely unreasonable when you look it this on an industrial scale

>>59876138
>I have an oil swallowing gas destroyer

what?

>>59875960
>Think of near to 0 maintenance cost
They are still water cooled, which requires maintenance. Plus brakes of course.

>>59876519

proofs or gtfo

>>59876532
It runs on natural gas and needs oil for the engine but the pistons are fubar and I need to replace special 200€ oil every month because of it until I have money for a 5000€ repair. It sucks having no savings.

>>59876548
>he doesn't have a tesla-owning friend to laugh at when he has to bring it in to the tesla genius bar because nobody in a 200m radius is allowed to maintain a tesla

So will the tesla semi have shit range or be too heavy?

>It runs on natural gas and needs oil for the engine but the pistons are fubar and I need to replace special 200€ oil every month

Seems like a faulty design.

>>59876589

Just fuck yourself, poltard. Everybody knows that Tesla maintenance is way below every other conventional combustion engine car.

>>59876665
>everybody knows
Link me to a tesla mechanic talking about the proprietary semi-yearly maintenance procedure that cannot legally be done by anybody else

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>>59874989
Automation is going to kill us all.

>>59876665
Kek nobody knows how hard tesla maintenance is
My guess is they update it to make it feel like it runs better

A truck that mown down pedestrians by itself while playing "allah akbar" from the external speakers coming to every muslim neighbourhood in europe.

>>59876712
they even copied apple's "updating" scheme

>>59876729
>inb4 "throttle disease" right when new model is announced

>>59876728
>coming to every muslim neighbourhood in europe.
So every neighborhood in greater yuropooria then.

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>>59876745

>>59876665
>Seems like a faulty design.
They fucked me over good with that machine, that's for sure. I'm sadly out of the period where I could sue the shit out of them for their fuckery. But sadly I was too naive and five years was the sue limit. Now I have to live with that underperforming machine that doesn't even manage to heat the whole house because they can't calculate for shit.

It even has a password for maintenance and advanced settings that's in the possession of the "certified" subcontractor of that shitty firm. If I wouldn't have shaken down their apprentice in secret to get it I wouldn't even be able to use that shit because it refuses to operate after some time without periodic maintenance. If only all the disgruntled customers of theirs would have written about them on the internet ten years ago I would have dodged a bullet.
Thanks for reading and never buy anything from senertec.

>>59876776
If it comforts you..., my parents made a similar mistake with buying a overpriced German solar-theric unit for producing hot water.

>>59876826
>solar-thermic

>>59876138
>Only for the first few years, watch as the state will cross out all those neat tax benefits

They will because they HAVE to do it or else they go bankrupt.

Once electric cars become more than a couple % say bye bye to all tax benefits.

btw: I just bought an electric car with nearly 10k in tax breaks and subsidies. - suck it, late adopters.

>>59875038
I'm British

Hybrid trucks are rare here, you probably have them just as much as we do

Please don't be such a pathetic Euroboo

>>59876826
>>59876841
I think it's a few decades too soon for good energy saving tech. The market seems full of cheap greedy assholes and shitty programmers.

>>59876640
How can a truck be too heavy?

>>59875038
European companies like Renault build hybrid trucks but that does not mean they are commonplace

>>59876859
>btw: I just bought an electric car with nearly 10k in tax breaks and subsidies

country and car model?

>>59876892
It's never too soon for anything. Realistically, like all things, it's just going to take time and that's alright. People keep expecting these massive sweeping changes in under a week, chill out.

>>59876900
By having 8,000 pounds of batteries mashed inside and carrying anything heavier than a passenger
Trucks do have weight limits you know

>>59876859
Yeah, I will invest in e-cars soon enough. my boys only have to travel around 40km per day and as soon as the more compact cars are cheaper I will bite.

>>59876892
There are methods but I distrust these overengineerd extra expensive stuff, they try to push on customers. .

>>59876913
Netherlands, Hyundai Ioniq EV

>>59876917
If they promise, they have to deliver. If I wasn't so naive back then then I could have successfully sued their ass off according to my lawyer. It's too late now.

>>59876900
Every bit of additional weight for batteries limits the allowed cargo capacity

>>59876943
>Netherlands
>talking about tax returns

>>59876927
It should be far less of a problem than with electric cars.

As in: much smaller % of weight will go towards batteries.

>>59876943
>Hyundai Ioniq EV
Thought so, Good buy (if you don't need much range)

>>59876951
How many successful cases were launched about this specific event?

>>59876975
The small sedan tesla weighs 5000 pounds on its own, how is it gonna be less of an issue for a higher-wattage, MUCH higher torque, and weight-limited vehicle?

>>59876973
>anon
>jealous

>>59876983
>How many successful cases were launched about this specific event?
I have no clue, I'm just parroting what my lawyer said after looking through all the data and contracts a few years ago. The machine was around 70k € in 2007.

>>59875038
I think we have a lot of SMALL electric trucks/vans for short distances.
But not large semi's for long distances I think.

I think actually the biggest problem will be how long it will take to charge them.
The bigger the battery, the longer charging takes.

>>59876975
Hardly. The tesla s is 5k lbs its massively heavy.

The lighter the vehicle the farther it can go

This is why gasoline will never go away. Until batteries can beat the energy density of gasoline it'll always still be here

>>59877004
Well I was, until you mentioned where you lived and I realized that 10k+ of taxes, even on barbarian krohn coin is actually possible for you. Now I'm just laughing at your situation.
Enjoy the happiest area on earth bro

>>59877041
Not him though, but tone down the obvious jealousy.

How long until affordable tesla bikes?

>>59877053
Only jealous of the women, which I didnt have to actually live in the government's country to enjoy, since I'm a tourist fueling your economy with my godly dollars

>>59876973
We have the highest fuel tax and I think also the highest road tax.
In addition we have to pay a hefty tax to use a company car for private trips.

>>59877053
Not mad at a 60% tax, I'm glad he was able to catch a break
Just pointing out that in most places where the income outweighs the taxes, 10k subsidy off a car would be amazing

>>59876934
Look at the Renault Zoe if you're in Europe, I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I wasn't a broke student driving a 2003 Clio

>>59877031
It's solved by going big.
The heavier the vehicle, the better the drag to weight ratio.

Really I think the only issue is charging them.
Even with quick charging it will probably take over a day to charge a semi truck.

What happened to hydrogen vehicles?

>>59874989
>semi truck
hol up
its the thing that hauls trailers?

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

is it going to feature it's own nuclear powerplant or something?

>>59877150
>Renault Zoe
I will keep that in mind, thanks.

>>59877157
Reall you sit depends on whether they contract LG or something to create a multi-input high amp battery array that can charge several individual cells at high amps, or just keep following the current model of 4000 vape batteries and one-in one-out

>>59877041
To clarify: it's not 10k in tax breaks alone.
It's about 5k in tax breaks plus 5k cash in hand.

>>59875125
not to mention it would weigh as much as a semi

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>>59875110
>>59875038

>>59877190
The "quick charging" stations themselves are limited.
That's often the bottleneck.

Although they are working on 100kW+ stations.
Right now it's only about 20-40kW.

It's already a problem for cars with relatively big battery packs like Tesla's. - they take way longer to "quick" charge than my Hyundai.

>>59877237
These should be standard.

Why the fuck do cities still use diesel buses RRRREEEEEE?

>>59877282
I've never seen a city bus that wasn't natural gas or some kind of proprietary mixture
Every other bus sure, but cities like "clean" city services it makes them look good

>>59877310
Oh yeah, that's true, it's not that bad.

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tesla duallies when?

>move everyone off gas and diesel
>huge middle finger to middle east
>america reigns supreme

>>59877354
>huge middle finger to middle east

Isn't America the biggest oil exporter in the world?

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>>59874989
http://electrek.co/2016/01/28/tesla-jim-keller-apple-processor-architect-2/

He's come to wreck your shit. Again.

>live in age where you will be killed by an unmanned semi truck

>>59877370
Nope, the US is not even close to being a big exporter.
However, the US is one of the biggest oil consumers in the world, and if the US stopped buying oil one day, the middle east is basically done.

>saudis run out of money
>can't fund ISIS anymore
>terrorist attacks stop
>obama drones finish off whatever's left

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>>59875038

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>>59874989

>What the fuck just happened

Computer driving trucks is better that the american human.

>>59877372
This is now my wallpaper as well as overall favorite picture on the internet.

>>59877354
>oil loses its value
>the dollar loses its value because muh petrodollar
>Murrica fuck yea

>>59874989
>pickup truck electric
>dat fucking torque

I just fucking jizzed

I'm gonna jizz everywhere a second time if it's under $30,000

>>59874989
You shitposted.

Make sure to sign Sweden up for one. You have to run over people in style.:)

>>59877989
Have fun towing something five miles.

>>59874989

Has he figured out how to make batteries out of something better than lithium? Because if not this shit has a hard fucking ceiling.

>>59876640
Trucks are basically the best vehicle for customer-electric vehicles

The entire flatbed portion can be a battery pack. It'll probably have a much bigger battery than the tesla sedans do but similar travel distance because it's heavier, and then less distance when loaded down.

But the torque man. The torque is going to be insane.

If they do it right, it's the truck that's going to be their killer product in the US, not the sedans.

>>59878044
this will be powered purely by self delusion and smug

>>59875038
We have natural gas trucks. All of it stopped growing when the oil market tanked though.

>>59874989
>What the fuck just happened
Every trucker losing their jobs in 10 years. People are going to starve.

>>59877169
I'm pretty sure it's actually a normie truck and not a semi

idk where you'd even put the fucking batteries for a semi. Probably have to do the entire cargo pod with a floor of batteries and that'd be expensive as fuck and definitely not be competitive with gas for hauling shit tons of stuff economically

semi's are probably going to be one of the last vehicles to go electric because they depend so much on weight saving = cost saving = moar profit

>>59877966
It's going to happen at some point. It might as well be on America's terms with american technology at the forefront.

>>59878066
self delusion and smug is how I'd describe the irrational musk haters desu

See thunderfoot for a prime example

>>59878220
>thunderfoot
that guy still makes videos?

>>59876138
Outside of the two states in the US where it's illegal to pump your own gas, where the hell else are gas station attendants still a thing?

>>59878061
Can you imagine having a fucking pickup truck where the load is distributed evenly and the torque doesn't cause you to spin out?

I think I just wet myself.

>>59877282
We have Natural Gas buses in California.

>stay cucked

>>59878061
Not for any sort of long haul truck. They're already diesels running right in their peak efficiency range. You don't get much of any gain switching to electric on a mostly fossil fuel grid, you're just carrying the much greater weight of batteries to host the power from a plant that's little more efficient than the engine it's replacing.
The short range stop-and-go Otto-cycle market is the one best replaced by electrics.

>>59877699
>utah - software developer
Are these CIA niggers working for the NSA?

>>59877282
drown out the noise of blacks yelling and blasting their speakers on the bus

>>59878176
Semi means tractor trailer, notice he also mentions pickups. There's going to be both.

Electric truck, Isn't that what the top gear hammerhead eagle thrust hybrid was based off of? Think it was a milk truck or something.

>>59876182
no one prolly would make more sense to retrofit a real truck like your pic

>>59875038
I hear trucks of all sorts are becoming popular in Europe. Particularly the peaceful kind.

>>59878316
Austin has hydrogen buses (experimental), suck it Claiforn- aw Austin is neo-California...

Wouldn't electric Semis be kinda awesome due to the massive amount of torque you get from electric motors?

>>59879086
Sure, that's why trains are diesel-electric.

>>59875110
Take then atleast once a week, can confirm they are nice.
t. Stuttgart Guy working in the car industry

>>59875038
yeah but you also have Volkswagen and Jaguar, which are the shame of the entire car industry.

>>59879086
They'd require retraining and re-equipping the fire and emergency services.
Imagine a crashed semi spewing out its 70,000 laptop batteries onto a wet interstate. A fire starts. How do you manage it?

>>59874989
when the f*ck will they make a truck that runs on coal?

>>59879905
your mom

>>59879870

They already are aware of technology. It started with the Prius and it's electrical system presenting a hazard to the jaws of life.

>>59879905
~100+ years ago

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>>59877354

More importantly how has Musk not been SHUT DOWN yet?

>>59875960

except that you pump and dump charges more often and the key to batteries is not having to do that constantly.

Plus batteries are shit atm. Lithium is fine for phones and laptops (or used to be but loltech) but for vehicles? Fuck that.

Plus we've had totally electric buses and vans in Britain for nearly a decade. Absolutely useless for long distances and I'm using the British measurement of long which is pretty much 50 miles.

Range of electrics is still in the 250 mile range in optimal conditions. If its warm or cold? Then it's less than half of that. Plus ANY sort of accident fucks the entire battery set up and forces you to replace £5000 of batteries before they burn out in 2 years anyway.

Electric vehicles ARE the future. They just happen to be fucking AWFUL at the moment. Until we get decent batteries that result in a reduction of weight/cost or a massive increase of range while also reducing the single most toxic metal refinement from poisoning everything then they are shit and near useless.

>>59876884
Britain isn’t Europe

>>59879977
Yes it is.

>>59877001

>5000lbs
>for a small sedan
>compared to barely 3000lbs for any other comparative gasoline or diesel model

I'd say being a tonne heavier than a gasoline model for benefit is retarded. Especially since all the Tesla range figures are based on optimal lab tests and there's no legitimate warm/cold weather tests that show the 50% efficiency drop due to how batteries get fucked by warmth and cold.

Not to mention how lithium is one of the single most toxic metals in the world to refine. Up there with nickel and lead.

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>>59875110
>>59877237
>having to worry about batteries
>polluting the environment with dirty batteries
>not being part of the glorious OBus masterrace

>>59880089
>austrian license plate
>that driver

God damn it Europe

>>59877185
>Estimated real life range of up to 186 miles in summer and up to 124 miles in winter

>ZOE is available from £14,245 for Expression with a mandatory battery hire of £59 per month

So wait. It's £14k but then you are forced to spend £60 a month on the battery? Ontop of buying the car? So you are probably paying £250 a month for the next 3-4 years for a car that ACTIVELY LOSES ITS FUCKING CHARGE WHILE YOU ARE IDLE AND HAS LESS RANGE THAN A MOPED?

What a fucking joke. There's a reason petrol/diesel won't go away. The only competitive fuel is natural gas and that isn't as wide spread as it needs to be.

You are literally being scammed into a fucking terrible little hatchback for 3x the cost of a Dacia despite both being the same company and one being a large ass hatchback of growing repute?

That's with all available grants and reductions btw for the most basic entry level model of what is smaller than their Renault Clio.

It's a joke. After years of forcing companies to create cleaner and cleaner cars after years of asking them to make cars heavier and heavier by forcing safety standards and more resilient materials due to people getting hurt in crashes they then start shitting on the companies for less capable and less useful cars that will wear out roads more because they range from 1.5 - 2.5x the actual class they compete with while also forcing more and more refinement of toxic chemicals and forcing Congo blacks to work for pennies a day while dying at 20 because of the working conditions to keep costs down.

Electric vehicles are a fucking sham outside of 1 seat personal transports and directly charged vehicles like trams and trains.

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>>59875038
OBSESSED
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>>59874989
>muslims can now reach sandnigger valhalla without ruining the planet

Amazing

>>59874989
>cousin just got out of trucking school
didn't want to tell him that AI is taking his job in the next 3 years but it was on my mind

>>59879966
You have valid points but electric cars pollute less.

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>>59878105

AI taking peoples' jobs is unfortunate in the short term (society will eventually adjust), but it's something that anybody with half a brain should have seen coming. The signs were clear as far back as 30-40 years ago… it was just a matter of the required technology hitting critical mass.

Unskilled labor will be mechanized. It's a simple fact, and anybody who had the idea that they'd be able to turn such work into a long-lasting career needs to get their head checked. If you see yourself being impacted by automation, I have this to say: become and stay flexible. Explore the possibility of entering other fields any time the opportunity presents itself, and wherever possible *make* opportunities for yourself. This may involve major changes like relocating to a major city, something many are fiercely opposed to, but personally I'd trade preference for the ability to reliably thrive any fucking day of the weak.

>>59881619
TLDR: The storm brought by automation can be survived by those affected by it, but only if people are flexible and open-minded. The rigid and unwilling will be the ones having the hardest times.

fuck me I load petroleum tankers and I would love to not have to deal with retard truck drivers, but I know if their jobs are automated its only a matter of time before my job behind the console is automated as well

>>59879051
Worst part about places like Austin is that they try to be like California and end up more cucked

I live in San Diego which is pretty redpilled compared to most cities in California.

>>59881665
The main reason why metropolitan CA can do what it does and be a trendsetter is because it has multiple economic powerhouses and thus is often the one writing the rules.

TX is an economic powerhouse, but TX isn't Austin so when Austin wants to do something different, it's kinda fucked because it's mostly alone. Austin vs. TX is like pissing in the Pacific.

>>59876182
why does the wagoneer look so good?

>>59877263

Tesla superchargers are 120kw, but they're cheap cunts so you'll only get full power if there isn't anybody at the other paired stall (one supercharger cabinet feeds two stalls)

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>>59875038
Ah yes I who doesn't love euro trucks?

>>59875023
Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer

>>59875038
Europe has smaller trucks too. Tesla is going to make driverless 18 wheelers and gut that job market.

I want Tesla to make a coupe in the style of a 1970's Plymouth Satellite

>>59875121
compare elon's failure rate with the typical entrepreneurial failure rate.

He's doing alright. Tesla is doing alright. SpaceX is doing alright.

>>59875746
Perhaps the people saying that in 2007 were talking out their arses.

>>59876951
>If they promise, they have to deliver.
If we lived in a perfect world sure.

But come on, you know how the world works. If someone can get away with overselling and underdelivering, they will.

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Chicago has an electric and hybrid bus fleet. I don't ride them because I'm not black.

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>>59874989
>Cucklon Cusk is a fraud, a phony

Tell me more, anon.

>>59875038
>being this buttblasted for living in a shitty country

>>59883075
>Perhaps the people saying that in 2017 were talking out their arses.
Fixed.

>>59876191
It used to be.

But I was told automation wouldn't happen for another 25-50 years!

>>59875023

Electricity isnt free

Nor cheap

>>59883525
Must suck living in a shithole

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>>59883525
>electricity
>not cheap

What did he mean by this?

>>59876692
human's inability to adapt and discard outdated standards will kill us all.

"but my manhood, i smash not robot smash i smash. now i not have to smash cus robot do smash. man sad, man angry, man break everything so can smash again"

>>59880391
that picture is accurate.

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>>59874989
What do you think happened?

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>>59882931
>Americans think they have big trucks.
>Americans actually think driverless trucks will happen, rather than driver assisted trucks.
>LaughingWhores.JPG

Elon Musk is a globalist who wants to help enslave and control you

>>59883954
shit wrecking truckers everywhere.

>>59885113
takes down intel
takes down teamsters union

>>59881529

Only post production which is where cars have the least footprint.

Producing a single lithium battery for a vehicle is roughly on par with producing an old 70s British car in terms of pollution because of the residual materials and toxic metals. It's why the majority are allowed to be produced in China to cover up how fucking bad those batteries are to make compared to traditional wet batteries that cars use.

Think about how bad that is.

A single battery that weighs a few kg/lbs compared to the production of a 600kg car including the engine.

A single 1kg lithium battery consumes 2x it's own weight in energy to produce even at the current scale of economy and 12.5x it's own weight of carbon dioxide is produced.

By comparison it's 6x the weight of a car for TOTAL production.

Now factor in that a standard car weighs roughly 1 tonne outside the US. That means for every 1 tonne car there's 6 tonnes of pollution.

Now factor in that for EVERY battery bank on a Tesla there's 12.5 tonnes per car. JUST ON PRODUCTION OF A BATTERY BANK. This doesn't factor in ANYTHING else in the car where as the petrol car is finished completely.

That means it could be anywhere from 2-3x the equivalent initial pollution of a modern car to produce an electric model.

That's without going into the difficulty of recycling lithium batteries and increased wear and tear a 3 tonne saloon has over a car half it's weight.

Yes the post production pollution on a petrol/diesel vehicle is higher. That's a guaranteed fact. Problem is that even at a conservative estimate the initial pollution from an electric vehicles production actually outpaces the ENTIRE lifespan of a petrol vehicle and that's without the forced battery replacement of the electric vehicle every 3-4 years.

Electric vehicles are the future. But the tech isn't remotely close to making them viable for the automobile market.

>>59881731
2 parallel lines

>>59885514
carbon dioxide is good for trees

>>59877989
>Dodge Dart starts at $17k
>Model 3 starts at $35k
2.05x Tesla Modifier

>Fully loaded Dodge Viper (ACR) $123,890
>Model S P100D starts $133,300
1.07x

1.5x comparable dodge model avg.
$39,742 at the lowest. Let's face it though, that's not going to happen, It'll land at $60k.

>>59877989
He said SEMI TRUCK, not a fucking ute.

>>59876884
The UK is a 2nd world country outside of London.

Your trains are like from the 1960s

>>59877699
>florida
>primary school teacher

I thought Florida was the place where old people go to die.

>>59885661
it really doesn't make much sense to buy an electric car in the US since cars and gas are a lot cheaper than in European countries but it can make sense if you live in Europe. Of course I'm not talking about used car prices, electric cars have no chance there at all.

>>59886837
Isn't a ute kind of a semi-truck if you think about it?

>>59886947
>Isn't a ute kind of a semi-truck if you think about it?
What? No.

If it doesn't have a turntable, it's not a truck.

>>59886964
But it's a little truck

>>59886977
No, it's not.
It's a passenger vehicle that got tubbed.

>>59886985
Christ, you're no fun at all

>>59887004
No, I just don't play into the american delusion that light frame vehicles are for heavy haulage.

Robot trucks will be years in the making. Electric trucks will stop Climate Change and save the planet. There is nothing for truckers to worry about... yet.

>>59887010
You're not getting the joke, you autismo

>>59880006
Not Anymore, you indians

fuck off

>it's another "elon creates a 100k vehicle with 30k build quality" episode

>>59875762
Hilarious how businesses plan to buy them from the postal service after normal car vendors didn't do shit.

>>59887173
What the hell do you mean not anymore? It's not like Britain's moved.

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>>59885514
does this rustle your jimmies?

>>59876884
I thought a lot of london buses were hybrid?

>>59878316
>mfw my city tried natural gas and it froze when the winter came
didn't have buss traffic for a few days